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Right, you can talk to me.

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If your phone call does come

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through, feel free to take it.

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It's not the end of the world. OK, I

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was going to turn that off.

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We can pause and stop.

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Especially if it's about your pumps,

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then I get it.

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So I guess, let's

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go back to the beginning from here.

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You were born and raised around

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here. Are you from Red Cliff

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originally?

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Yes, I'm born and raised

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here in Red Cliff.

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Both my parents are tribal members,

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and yeah, I've been here ever

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since.

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So growing up, I said, you met

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your uncle.

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You were set loose in the woods.

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Is that kind of the story?

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Is that?

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Oh yeah, for sure,

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you know, taught how to run a

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chainsaw from my uncle and

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you know we did a lot of hunting and

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we also did a lot of spearing with

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my cousin.

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He taught me a lot too in

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the spearing.

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Was there just a natural connection

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or was it like being with other

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kids that made it more enjoyable

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or you know, how does that all come

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together?

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Um, I guess it just,

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it was just the way we

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did stuff around here.

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It was just, I didn't really,

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I thought it was normal to be

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able to go spearing or

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go hunting and we

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also were in the woods running

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our sugar bush in the spring

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and did a lot of,

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a lot of, um,

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A lot of our treaty rights we

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were exercising.

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It was that, obviously

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it was a conscious choice, but it

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was very intentional, like asserting

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the rights is an important step to

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maintaining those rights.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I didn't know it at the time,

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you know, I thought, like I said, I

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thought it was normal.

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I thought everyone was doing it.

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And then, you know, as I got older,

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I realized that, you know, those

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rights are very important for

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our tribe and, you know, tribal

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members in general.

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I did too.

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Oh, thanks.

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You're good.

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We won't make you wait the whole

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time.

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Sorry. No, that's fine.

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Wow, look at this.

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Yeah, fancy setup.

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Carry on.

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Does Andre have all his stuff?

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You have to.

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OK.

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Okay, that's a good enough answer.

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See ya!

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When did you first start working

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in the natural resources department?

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So I've been with

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this tribe in natural resources

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for 11 years now,

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but before that, I worked for the

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University of Wisconsin-Stevens

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Point aquaculture facility for five

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years, and that's really what got me

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into raising fish.

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Okay, so you were at an ADF?

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Yeah, I was at NADF for

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five years.

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Was it a natural progression to

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cross the street?

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Yeah, for sure.

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Pretty much got taught everything

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I needed to know to

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come here and be able to raise fish,

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indoors and outdoors.

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the tribe had been doing here?

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Or was it important for you to come

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with that knowledge and bring

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that with you?

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the tribe was doing.

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It was just, it just kind of

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happened that way.

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Like, I actually just had

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come home from college and was

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looking for a job, and I knew that I

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was into fish,

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and it just,

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it worked out.

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what was the program, what did it

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look like? I guess, and how much has

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it changed since you came with

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that knowledge of how to run it?

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the program was running pretty good.

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I did bring more knowledge

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and we were able to

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improve on raising the fish,

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like having better quality fish.

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We improved our ponds

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and we're still improving every

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year by getting better,

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you know, more knowledge with how to

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raise fish and

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it's getting a lot better.

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Explain to me the philosophy

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that comes behind the

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whole hatchery process that you have

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here.

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What goes into the judgments that

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you make about where to get

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eggs from, when to put back, how

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much to stock, you know, all that.

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Yeah, so with Walleye...

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Eggs from the lakes

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that are tribe spears so

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we're not only you know taking

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fish from taking walleye

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from the lake but we're also putting

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the walleye back in the lake you

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know most people don't know

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that we you

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know stock walleye back in the lake

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we're I'm just taking...

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And how do you choose which lakes,

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like last year the Upper St. Croix,

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this year the Clare.

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In the middle, clearly.

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Little Claire and Namacog

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and that's a different relationship

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but yeah it's just kind of like you

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have a running pattern

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Yeah, pretty much.

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all about, uh,

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the density of the lake, you know,

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right now, middle, when I,

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when, I used to spear middle Eau

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Claire, there was four adult

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walleye per acre

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in each in the

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lake and right now there's only

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one adult per acre.

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So we're trying to, you know,

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increase the production.

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I mean

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have more, put more fish in.

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How, I mean do most of the

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tribal members know about that

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process that you guys do?

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Because obviously a lot of the

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publics aren't aware,

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but does your own community even

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aware of that part of

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that?

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for sure.

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media, it's the past few years

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it's really been getting out there.

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Like, yeah, I mean social media

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is making it well known

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that we're stocking

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fish, and we're getting some really

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good feedback.

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So we were obviously with you last

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year when we went to St.

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Croix. What were, I don't know if

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you remember off hand, but roughly

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what were some of the numbers you

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got out of those ponds, because we

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were there for the first day of the

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pond.

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year we stocked

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9,000, just

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a little over 9, 000 extended growth

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wall lights, so they were 7 to 9

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inches.

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In that lake, that's

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a really good number.

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Those are healthy looking fish.

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Seven to nine inches.

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I mean, so just growing them from

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spring to fall and that's,

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that's it.

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I mean, what does that mean for you

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to be a part of that process?

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Yeah, it makes me feel really good,

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you know, with the,

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you know, talking with the

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Lake Association, they're super

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happy with it and it makes feel

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pretty proud and

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happy to do it.

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I don't know how

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far back your history is, your

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uncle was talking about the

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early days of asserting treaty

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rights and some of the conflict that

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existed there and

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the stereotypes that still came out

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of that that some people still hold,

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how important is it to try

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and break through to people?

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It's a different era, like you guys

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are putting more fish in than are

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actually coming out.

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Yeah, it's very important.

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I mean, like I said, most people

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don't know that we put fish back in.

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And, you know, the...

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Just, I mean, it is getting

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better, but it still,

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you know, still needs more,

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more to get

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out there so people know.

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One of the other factors is

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the mercury safety

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level maps.

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I guess I was overhearing at the

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youth night, there was talking about

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some people were still putting in

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claims on lakes that

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other people were saying, I would

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never eat a fish out of that lake.

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Yeah, so, I mean,

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mercury is always a thing

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to worry about. I mean that's why

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they have the

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parameters out there for people to,

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you know, not eat too much or

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try to catch

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a certain size, certain

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limit and leave the big ones alone

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so hopefully they can spawn and

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keep things going.

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Do you guys actively avoid

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stalking or interacting with a lake

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that has mercury?

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I mean, would it ever make sense to

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put fish into that lake?

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Yeah, so we don't

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actually stock any

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lake that has a high mercury

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in it.

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So all the ones we do, usually,

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that's not a factor, we're not

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worried about it.

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Does that reduce the number

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of lakes that you're interacting

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with?

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Yeah, it definitely does.

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It's, yeah, it's tough.

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I mean, it makes it a little tougher

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to be able to, you know, try

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to keep everyone happy.

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But, I mean there's also not

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that many lakes.

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So it's, we try to,

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whatever lake our

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tribe is spearing is what we're

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trying to restock.

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And how does that overlap work,

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because we saw that Bad River was

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there on Friday night, and obviously

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we put a raise very close by.

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I mean, you guys kind of work with

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each other to talk about who's

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going to go where, who stocks where,

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how that works.

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Yeah, we definitely talk with the

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other tribes and then we also talk

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with the state because the state

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does stock certain lakes

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and whatever the lake,

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whatever lake the state's not

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stocking is what usually once will

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stock. So they'll do different

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years.

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And so tell me a little bit about

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how the Namacoggin project

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came to be about, because that's

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a unique relationship, right?

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Yeah, yeah,

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so I guess it came about when

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Mike came to me

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and said that they

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want more walleye in their lake, and

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we were the ones that,

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since we're a tribe, we can actually

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collect our eggs without having

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a bunch of permits, and then we can

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also stock the fish back in the lake

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without having, you know,

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a bunch permits.

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So is that an unusual relationship?

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Because, I mean, it's not just a

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lake association of the tribe, like

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you have an ADF, you have a DNR.

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Yeah, I guess I

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don't know if it's an unusual

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relationship.

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I guess they

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really were the only ones that

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reached out, saying that, you know,

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can you?

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With our population of walleye.

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Are you more inclined to want

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to work with them if they're

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actually reaching out?

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Yeah, I mean, so we always

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factor in, you know,

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what lake we're spearing, and

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in Nemecoggin we do spear

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a lot, so that was a big

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factor.

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And it also always comes down to

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funding. You know, if we don't have

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funding to feed our walleye minnows,

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then we can't raise them.

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So we need funding to

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be able to raise walleye.

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And does the Lake Association help

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with that, or is...

353
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Yeah, they definitely do.

354
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So this year we're doing middle Eau

355
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Claire and they donated some money

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to help with

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feeding our walleye.

358
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Yeah, because you mentioned it's

359
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not cheap, those

360
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minnows are getting trucked

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in from out of state.

362
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Yeah, yeah, modest state for sure.

363
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And I guess when you look

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at the bill like that,

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is there federal money, and then

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tribal money, and then donated

367
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money, does the DNR kick in,

368
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or where does all the different pots

369
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of money?

370
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Yeah, so usually we

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get funding from the BIA,

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which is the Bureau of Indian

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Affairs, and then we

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don't get any money from the state

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to do it.

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And then, yeah, it's just the

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associations and BIA.

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And so all of those

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factor in what you're able to

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do.

381
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Yep, and then Glyphwick

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is also a big partner

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and

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hopefully they can

385
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get some funding for us too.

386
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And they've been doing surveys

387
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there, right? Yep.

388
00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,719
Clifford. What have you learned from

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any of the surveys?

390
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They did a young of year, and I

391
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think they did a spring survey this

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year. Do you know anything from what

393
00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:03,929
they've gotten?

394
00:13:03,930 --> 00:13:06,349
We don't know yet.

395
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So the only thing we know

396
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is by mouth of

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a word, they've told us that they've

398
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seen them, but they haven't

399
00:13:13,390 --> 00:13:14,390
analyzed the data yet.

400
00:13:16,319 --> 00:13:18,319
And what, I mean, anecdotally,

401
00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,939
what would you expect to see?

402
00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:21,539
I mean do you think that this is a

403
00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:22,839
better positive relationship?

404
00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:25,709
Yeah, I mean, I'm not only

405
00:13:25,710 --> 00:13:28,169
hoping that it's a, you know,

406
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working, I think we're putting in a

407
00:13:29,471 --> 00:13:30,471
lot of work for it.

408
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So I'm hoping, and

409
00:13:34,910 --> 00:13:36,289
I think that it's working.

410
00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:40,129
This last study that Glyphic did

411
00:13:40,130 --> 00:13:42,229
is that we made sure that

412
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they looked for

413
00:13:44,070 --> 00:13:46,909
fin clips on our walleye.

414
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So we'll know more within

415
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a year.

416
00:13:50,450 --> 00:13:52,209
And then the left and right fin

417
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click tubes.

418
00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:54,009
Yep.

419
00:13:54,010 --> 00:13:55,589
That's interesting.

420
00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:57,529
Yep, so different fin clips

421
00:13:57,530 --> 00:13:58,830
for the indoor raised fish.

422
00:14:00,660 --> 00:14:02,699
Is that, I mean, how

423
00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:04,519
important is that distinction long

424
00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,839
term? Could that really change

425
00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,199
how atries work?

426
00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,519
Yes, for sure.

427
00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,179
It's a lot easier to raise fish

428
00:14:11,180 --> 00:14:13,139
indoors with, you

429
00:14:13,140 --> 00:14:15,619
know, you can control everything,

430
00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:17,479
pretty much, and then outdoors

431
00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,339
it's, you know, it's Mother Nature,

432
00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:21,939
she's in charge, and we just

433
00:14:21,940 --> 00:14:23,139
have to do what she says.

434
00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,739
How many times have you just walked

435
00:14:26,740 --> 00:14:28,699
by the ponds and been like, well,

436
00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:30,089
we don't know?

437
00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:31,569
Yeah, for sure.

438
00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:33,789
And then, you know, it's

439
00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:35,689
the ducts were a

440
00:14:35,690 --> 00:14:36,709
major factor.

441
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:38,190
And then you could also get the...

442
00:14:40,750 --> 00:14:42,589
Muskrats can mess up your ponds and

443
00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:44,409
then you have otters that if otter

444
00:14:44,410 --> 00:14:46,089
gets in there they can eat a lot of

445
00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:47,090
fish

446
00:14:47,660 --> 00:14:49,639
So when you get the,

447
00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,279
we were there when you guys were

448
00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:52,939
taking the first fund out and you

449
00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:54,959
had all the volunteers come up,

450
00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,879
how important is that,

451
00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,979
not only for the labor, but just

452
00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:00,659
to have those people come and see,

453
00:15:00,660 --> 00:15:02,539
this is what we're

454
00:15:02,540 --> 00:15:03,779
working towards, or this is what

455
00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:05,079
some of our money is going towards,

456
00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,079
this what's going into our lake.

457
00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,959
Yeah, I mean it's very important

458
00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,999
to, you know, get the lake

459
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,979
associations to help and

460
00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:14,439
then they actually get to see what

461
00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,599
we are doing and know

462
00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,819
that it's not just easy just

463
00:15:18,820 --> 00:15:20,999
to raise fish

464
00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,819
and then everyone thinks

465
00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:23,779
it's just easy.

466
00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:25,739
You put fish in water and they grow

467
00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:27,499
and you don't have to feed them and

468
00:15:27,500 --> 00:15:29,459
then you can just take the

469
00:15:29,460 --> 00:15:31,999
fish out and put them in the lake.

470
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,939
But yeah, it's a

471
00:15:33,940 --> 00:15:35,359
long process.

472
00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,239
So for you, you've been doing this

473
00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,399
a long time. How much of your

474
00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,399
mental energy is devoted to

475
00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,319
thinking about fish in a pond

476
00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,049
at any given time?

477
00:15:45,050 --> 00:15:46,989
Yeah, I mean, it's,

478
00:15:46,990 --> 00:15:48,629
I think about it all the time when

479
00:15:48,630 --> 00:15:50,369
all the fish are in there, you know,

480
00:15:50,370 --> 00:15:52,389
it's like I said it's outdoors

481
00:15:52,390 --> 00:15:54,209
so it's anything can

482
00:15:54,210 --> 00:15:55,389
go wrong.

483
00:15:55,390 --> 00:15:57,049
I mean, you look out in the weather

484
00:15:57,050 --> 00:15:58,390
and you go, oh, it's sunny today.

485
00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,359
Oh yeah, so that's one

486
00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,539
thing we do with our ponds is once

487
00:16:03,540 --> 00:16:04,719
there's fish in there we'll check

488
00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,559
them every single day, you know,

489
00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,779
we're checking to make sure the

490
00:16:07,780 --> 00:16:09,139
oxygen is good.

491
00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:11,619
We're checking for making

492
00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:13,579
sure that the water is

493
00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:15,439
turbid, it's darker,

494
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,519
I mean, you don't want it too turbid

495
00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,939
either, you want it to...

496
00:16:20,940 --> 00:16:22,919
So the fish, the walleye are

497
00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,279
very cannibalistic,

498
00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,000
they'll eat each other.

499
00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:31,099
If you keep the water darker, that

500
00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:32,179
definitely keeps down the

501
00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:33,359
catamalism.

502
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,320
So we're there checking every day.

503
00:16:38,110 --> 00:16:40,009
So walleye themselves should be on

504
00:16:40,010 --> 00:16:42,089
the list of things that can

505
00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:43,279
ruin the walleye population.

506
00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:44,599
Yes, for sure.

507
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,359
And that happens in the Rigger Lake

508
00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:46,909
as well.

509
00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:48,269
Yep, for sure.

510
00:16:48,270 --> 00:16:49,269
I mean, while they're a very

511
00:16:49,270 --> 00:16:51,149
aggressive fish and they'll eat

512
00:16:51,150 --> 00:16:52,490
their brothers and sisters, they

513
00:16:52,491 --> 00:16:53,849
don't care.

514
00:16:53,850 --> 00:16:54,850
They're hungry.

515
00:16:56,750 --> 00:16:58,609
So I guess, take me back

516
00:16:58,610 --> 00:16:59,889
to when you were younger.

517
00:17:01,110 --> 00:17:02,949
How aware were you of

518
00:17:02,950 --> 00:17:05,068
what the walleye populations were

519
00:17:05,069 --> 00:17:07,189
at that time, and some of the

520
00:17:07,190 --> 00:17:09,129
shifts that were occurring is I

521
00:17:09,130 --> 00:17:10,689
guess a lot of links from the late

522
00:17:10,690 --> 00:17:12,509
90s into the early 2000s, there were

523
00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:14,608
some severe declines just due to

524
00:17:14,609 --> 00:17:16,809
a lot different factors.

525
00:17:16,810 --> 00:17:18,549
Yeah, so I guess when I was younger,

526
00:17:18,550 --> 00:17:21,348
when I was spearing a lot, it was...

527
00:17:21,349 --> 00:17:23,088
So every time you go spearing, you

528
00:17:23,089 --> 00:17:24,989
get a permit and it has a certain

529
00:17:24,990 --> 00:17:26,909
amount of fish on

530
00:17:26,910 --> 00:17:28,889
it. Like, you know, you got a permit

531
00:17:28,890 --> 00:17:30,529
and it says you get to spear 25

532
00:17:30,530 --> 00:17:31,429
fish.

533
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:33,609
And then as the years kept going on,

534
00:17:33,610 --> 00:17:35,669
it was, you now, go down and say 20

535
00:17:35,670 --> 00:17:36,629
fish this time.

536
00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:38,309
Then all of a sudden it was 15 fish

537
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:40,149
and that was when I

538
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:41,589
realized that, you know, something

539
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:43,129
was going wrong.

540
00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:45,049
Like, where are these fish going?

541
00:17:45,050 --> 00:17:46,529
I mean, why is there less?

542
00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:50,199
As I got older, I realized that

543
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,759
there's a lot of factors.

544
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,719
It's not only the

545
00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,859
tribes taking fish.

546
00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:58,379
It's also the

547
00:17:58,380 --> 00:17:59,419
sports fishermen.

548
00:17:59,420 --> 00:18:00,579
They'll take a lot fish.

549
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,139
And the tribes,

550
00:18:04,140 --> 00:18:05,519
they're regulated.

551
00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,779
Like I said, you get a permit, and

552
00:18:07,780 --> 00:18:09,739
there's wardens at the landing

553
00:18:09,740 --> 00:18:11,799
to make sure that you're taking

554
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,139
your limit and not overdoing

555
00:18:14,140 --> 00:18:15,140
it.

556
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,179
Can you imagine how much the

557
00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:18,639
hook and line fisherman would howl

558
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,639
if every time their boat came in

559
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,469
they had to open up the thing?

560
00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:25,329
Yeah, they for sure would be,

561
00:18:25,330 --> 00:18:27,549
I think it should be

562
00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:29,389
the law to report how

563
00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:31,349
much fish you're catching and, you

564
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:33,189
know, there's a limit for

565
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:34,190
a reason.

566
00:18:34,790 --> 00:18:36,129
An honor system.

567
00:18:36,130 --> 00:18:38,129
Yeah, honor system is

568
00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:40,019
very hard to...

569
00:18:40,020 --> 00:18:42,359
I mean that's kind of, it's

570
00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,639
a sad irony of the whole

571
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,519
stereotypes of the tribes taking all

572
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,519
the fish when like you

573
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:49,799
guys are under the strict limits

574
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,199
that are actually watched and

575
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,519
they're not.

576
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,299
And there's tons of documented

577
00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:56,519
evidence of fishermen just

578
00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,079
going back to the same like day

579
00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,419
after day after and filling the

580
00:18:59,420 --> 00:19:00,420
freezer.

581
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,759
Yeah, so we're working

582
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,959
with the lake associations.

583
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,399
A lot of the people actually live

584
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,419
right on the lake.

585
00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:08,359
You know, they have, you know, they

586
00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:09,659
can see right out their front

587
00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:11,479
windows that there's

588
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,959
a lot of commercial, or not

589
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,899
commercial, sports fishermen

590
00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:16,719
out there catching a lot

591
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,719
fish and you do see

592
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,539
them, you know bringing them back to

593
00:19:20,540 --> 00:19:23,299
shore and then going back out and

594
00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:24,219
catching more fish.

595
00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:26,459
So it's definitely not

596
00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:28,639
regulated as hard

597
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,099
and as strict as.

598
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:33,249
Tribal fishermen's spear.

599
00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:34,829
And that's certainly not what the

600
00:19:34,830 --> 00:19:37,069
public might think if you asked the

601
00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:38,769
average person who has tougher

602
00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:40,149
regulations on them.

603
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:41,150
Yes, for sure.

604
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,179
When you go through, when you

605
00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:46,780
work with lake associations, and

606
00:19:46,781 --> 00:19:48,679
you're changing minds one

607
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,819
at a time, hopefully, I mean,

608
00:19:50,820 --> 00:19:52,679
do you feel like that's

609
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,639
changed?

610
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,719
Do you think that the perceptions

611
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,399
have shifted over time?

612
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,819
Yes, for sure.

613
00:19:57,820 --> 00:19:59,779
So in my almost 11

614
00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:01,719
years here, it's,

615
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,839
like I said, the social media has

616
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,339
gotten a lot better.

617
00:20:05,340 --> 00:20:07,139
I mean, there's always your haters

618
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:09,059
on the social medias saying that

619
00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,480
we're taking all the fish, but...

620
00:20:12,850 --> 00:20:14,249
We are getting the word out a lot

621
00:20:14,250 --> 00:20:16,269
better that, you know, we are

622
00:20:16,270 --> 00:20:17,489
putting fish back in the lake.

623
00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:20,199
So talk to me a little bit about the

624
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,279
youth spearfishing.

625
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,539
I know you weren't able to be there,

626
00:20:22,540 --> 00:20:23,979
but have you done it before with

627
00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:24,619
your boys?

628
00:20:24,620 --> 00:20:27,299
Yeah, yep, we've done it before.

629
00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,539
So every year the

630
00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:31,759
Red Cliff and Bad River band

631
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,859
put on a youth spearing night

632
00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:36,599
and it's

633
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,639
really nice because a

634
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,579
lot of kids don't get the

635
00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:42,099
opportunity to go spearing.

636
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,599
So it's, it's nice that the

637
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,379
Boys and Girls Club of Red Cliff

638
00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:48,619
will take, you know,

639
00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:51,159
probably 25 kids to

640
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,899
just that one night and that'd be

641
00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:53,789
there.

642
00:20:53,790 --> 00:20:55,329
Probably their only chance to be

643
00:20:55,330 --> 00:20:57,249
able to do it and

644
00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:59,289
it's been great that we've

645
00:20:59,290 --> 00:21:01,269
been getting kids involved and

646
00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:03,909
they are

647
00:21:03,910 --> 00:21:06,089
taking a liking to it so it's

648
00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:07,969
nice to keep it

649
00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:09,069
going.

650
00:21:09,070 --> 00:21:11,089
You know as well as anyone

651
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:12,929
what it's like to be a parent

652
00:21:12,930 --> 00:21:16,069
and have kids' attention everywhere.

653
00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:19,149
So what is that battle like to have

654
00:21:19,150 --> 00:21:21,049
kids recognize, hey this is

655
00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:22,749
not just a pastime, this is your

656
00:21:22,750 --> 00:21:24,309
culture, this your history.

657
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:25,749
It's different than just something

658
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:27,689
to do on a Sunday or a week.

659
00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:30,649
Yeah, so, I mean, it's great because

660
00:21:30,650 --> 00:21:32,329
most kids don't know that they can

661
00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:34,189
actually get a tribal ID, you

662
00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:36,129
know, because without a tribal I.D.,

663
00:21:36,130 --> 00:21:37,689
you can't, you know, get your

664
00:21:37,690 --> 00:21:38,690
permit.

665
00:21:39,310 --> 00:21:40,889
And having kids having that tribal

666
00:21:40,890 --> 00:21:42,749
ID gives them,

667
00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:44,229
feels like gives them some power,

668
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:46,209
you know, and they get to get

669
00:21:46,210 --> 00:21:48,149
their permit and they,

670
00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:50,189
yeah, get to go spear some

671
00:21:50,190 --> 00:21:51,190
fish.

672
00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:54,019
I mean at the end of the night we

673
00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:55,399
saw a lot of kids and they'd flay

674
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,599
them and have their bag walking

675
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,239
around and you know there's got to

676
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,279
be, that's a big part

677
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,259
of it too is like having

678
00:22:02,260 --> 00:22:03,879
the filets either to give to someone

679
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,169
else or to use yourself.

680
00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:07,029
Yeah, I mean, being able

681
00:22:07,030 --> 00:22:09,089
to feed your family with what you

682
00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:11,149
harvest is really

683
00:22:11,150 --> 00:22:12,309
big.

684
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:14,129
And that's something that can

685
00:22:14,130 --> 00:22:16,169
carry over into a

686
00:22:16,170 --> 00:22:17,359
connection that's here.

687
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,339
Yep, yep, we're hoping so.

688
00:22:19,340 --> 00:22:20,839
We always say it's for the next

689
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,319
seven generations is what we're

690
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,429
trying to work for.

691
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:26,389
And is that an

692
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:27,939
older saying or?

693
00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:30,719
Yeah, as far as I know,

694
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,060
that just hurt it a lot.

695
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,919
I mean, that's a long time.

696
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,769
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:22:35,770 --> 00:22:37,689
But that's the length of history

698
00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:39,369
that you guys are working with,

699
00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:42,029
which is different for a

700
00:22:42,030 --> 00:22:43,869
lot of the rest of the state,

701
00:22:43,870 --> 00:22:45,249
seven generations, they're not on

702
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:46,119
this continent.

703
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:47,579
Yeah, right.

704
00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:49,999
They can't go back that far,

705
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,039
but that's a reality for people

706
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:52,609
up here.

707
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:53,610
Yep, yep.

708
00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:56,569
We're definitely, you

709
00:22:56,570 --> 00:22:58,189
know, fighting for our treaty rights

710
00:22:58,190 --> 00:23:00,649
to make sure that we

711
00:23:00,650 --> 00:23:02,510
get to exercise them and use them.

712
00:23:03,850 --> 00:23:05,949
What is the competition

713
00:23:05,950 --> 00:23:07,669
like in terms of kids' interests of

714
00:23:07,670 --> 00:23:09,589
leaving and just going

715
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:10,749
to other parts of the states for

716
00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:12,589
opportunities versus having

717
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:14,449
something that might be able to draw

718
00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:15,949
them back one day?

719
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:17,429
To understand that they've got a

720
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:18,829
connection here no matter what.

721
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:20,969
Yeah, I mean that is

722
00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:21,789
the connection.

723
00:23:21,790 --> 00:23:24,469
You have, I mean, your home,

724
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:26,309
you have, you have

725
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:28,829
your rights on your reservation,

726
00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:30,989
you have your treaty rights to

727
00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:33,329
be able to harvest and, you

728
00:23:33,330 --> 00:23:36,189
know, harvest fish,

729
00:23:36,190 --> 00:23:37,549
animals, anything really.

730
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,379
Talk to me a little bit about

731
00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:43,319
Walleye itself.

732
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,579
What sets that species apart?

733
00:23:45,580 --> 00:23:47,459
Why is it so

734
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:48,460
culturally important?

735
00:23:49,550 --> 00:23:51,769
Yeah, so, I mean,

736
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:53,889
culturally important, it's

737
00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:55,729
just, it's what I've

738
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:56,849
known, you know.

739
00:23:56,850 --> 00:23:58,749
It's just always been, the

740
00:23:58,750 --> 00:24:00,649
wall-ite's always been in

741
00:24:00,650 --> 00:24:03,109
my family and in my house.

742
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:04,110
You know, it just...

743
00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:08,889
Fish for food, and it's,

744
00:24:08,890 --> 00:24:10,809
I guess it's

745
00:24:10,810 --> 00:24:11,810
just...

746
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:17,069
What I've known, I guess it's

747
00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:18,910
just, Walei's always been like.

748
00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:22,729
Go-to fish.

749
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:24,729
I mean, they taste the best,

750
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:27,329
I think, and I

751
00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:28,589
think they look the coolest.

752
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:32,400
It's always been part of it.

753
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:36,629
It's probably more difficult to

754
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:37,949
explain something that's that

755
00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:39,589
innate. It's almost like, tell me

756
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:40,759
why air is important.

757
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,799
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

758
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,299
Yeah. I mean, it's also,

759
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:47,319
it is my job.

760
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,559
It's been, you know,

761
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,959
it helps pay

762
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,919
the bills, you, know, feed my

763
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,920
kids and...

764
00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:59,209
What we've done for

765
00:24:59,210 --> 00:25:00,289
years.

766
00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:01,929
I mean, is there ever a day when

767
00:25:01,930 --> 00:25:02,949
you're looking at the fish, you're

768
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:04,209
like, oh, I'm so sick of looking at

769
00:25:04,210 --> 00:25:05,210
walleye.

770
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:09,839
I guess I wouldn't say I get sick

771
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,699
of them. I mean, some days you have

772
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:13,959
your problems with

773
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,839
the, that it gets.

774
00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:19,850
Keep going.

775
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:24,689
I like to look at them as

776
00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:27,029
we are their parents, you know,

777
00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:29,329
raising these fish and hopefully

778
00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:31,289
giving them the best path to

779
00:25:31,290 --> 00:25:32,290
survive.

780
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:34,549
Yeah, because I mean that is a big

781
00:25:34,550 --> 00:25:36,029
part of, I mean some of the reason

782
00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:37,969
why they're harder to find is

783
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:39,209
natural recruitment is down.

784
00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:41,289
So like you are contributing

785
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:43,189
to a part of making sure that

786
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:44,669
there's still fish in the water.

787
00:25:44,670 --> 00:25:45,909
Yeah, yes.

788
00:25:45,910 --> 00:25:48,469
I mean, that's got to be an

789
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:50,469
interesting relationship to

790
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:51,249
build.

791
00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:52,469
Yeah, yeah.

792
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:54,369
Yeah, I do feel like

793
00:25:54,370 --> 00:25:56,369
I'd grow connected to the fish and,

794
00:25:56,370 --> 00:25:58,289
you know, feel like a proud

795
00:25:58,290 --> 00:26:00,269
parent sending them off once I

796
00:26:00,270 --> 00:26:01,529
get them in the lake and they swim

797
00:26:01,530 --> 00:26:02,530
away.

798
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:03,829
Well, it's because you get to the

799
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:05,049
end of the season and they come out

800
00:26:05,050 --> 00:26:06,029
and they look gorgeous.

801
00:26:06,030 --> 00:26:07,569
I mean, these are beautiful looking

802
00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:08,789
fish.

803
00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:09,809
Yeah.

804
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:11,249
I'm sure, you know, if they came out

805
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:13,089
runty or something, you'd be like,

806
00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:14,709
okay, what would run?

807
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:15,789
They look that good.

808
00:26:15,790 --> 00:26:16,669
There's got to be that way.

809
00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:17,289
We did a good job.

810
00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:19,269
Yes, for sure.

811
00:26:19,270 --> 00:26:21,129
It's very proud moments putting them

812
00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:22,130
in the lake.

813
00:26:23,770 --> 00:26:25,829
For you and for your

814
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:27,809
boys, I mean, if you're out

815
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:29,209
spearing and you get one that's got

816
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:30,889
the thin clip, I means, is that a

817
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:32,169
different connection?

818
00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:33,489
Uh, not really.

819
00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:34,789
I mean, it's...

820
00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:36,210
It's nice to see.

821
00:26:39,210 --> 00:26:40,549
You know, without spearing that

822
00:26:40,550 --> 00:26:42,409
fish, we wouldn't know that it

823
00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:44,709
was a hatchery-raised

824
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:45,929
fish.

825
00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:48,329
I mean, if we don't have

826
00:26:48,330 --> 00:26:50,389
assessments on the lakes, there's

827
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:51,390
no other way of knowing.

828
00:26:52,810 --> 00:26:54,649
And if people don't report back

829
00:26:54,650 --> 00:26:56,489
to us that there was a fin-clipped

830
00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:58,109
fish, then we wouldn't know.

831
00:26:58,110 --> 00:26:59,609
So it's nice to see.

832
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,899
And in the spring, it

833
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:04,819
gets a busy season when you're out.

834
00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:06,139
I mean, we've been with you setting

835
00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:08,159
fight nets, collecting from

836
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,539
fight nets and night shocking.

837
00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:12,819
I mean are those

838
00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:14,859
long,

839
00:27:14,860 --> 00:27:16,699
draggy days or is that

840
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:18,019
like, that's the beginning of this

841
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:19,119
whole process?

842
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,959
Yeah, so every year

843
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,079
is different.

844
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,259
I mean, we always call it ice out,

845
00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:26,659
wait for the ice to get off the

846
00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:27,799
lake.

847
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,200
And every year,

848
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,339
the walleye aren't always spawning

849
00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:35,539
right away when the ice is gone.

850
00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:37,579
And we've had years where the walley

851
00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:39,579
have actually spawned under the ice,

852
00:27:39,580 --> 00:27:41,200
so we weren't able to collect eggs.

853
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,519
But I mean it's,

854
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,419
when you're in the moment,

855
00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:48,239
it feels like you're doing a lot.

856
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,119
But. Then you look back and

857
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,919
it's only been, it's been only a

858
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,559
month at the most.

859
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,119
You know, like, I guess it wasn't

860
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:55,899
too bad.

861
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:57,899
It was, you know, you definitely do

862
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,359
get druggie from work in, you now,

863
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:01,360
mornings.

864
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:04,039
Lifting your fight nets and then

865
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,379
working that same night,

866
00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:08,739
shocking and trying to collect eggs.

867
00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:10,719
It's, it's tough work but

868
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,609
it's rewarding.

869
00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:13,929
And then, I mean, what's that like

870
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:15,629
for you when you've got a jar full

871
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:16,489
of them and then all of a sudden

872
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:17,789
they start to hatch?

873
00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:19,429
Oh, it's nice.

874
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:20,470
It's real nice.

875
00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:24,629
I mean, wall eggs are so small,

876
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:26,529
but it's crazy that you can get

877
00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:29,069
something the size of your eyelash

878
00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:31,269
to grow to nine inches from

879
00:28:31,270 --> 00:28:32,270
just spring to fall.

880
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:35,849
And it goes back and it starts

881
00:28:35,850 --> 00:28:36,689
the cycle.

882
00:28:36,690 --> 00:28:37,690
Yep, yep.

883
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:40,819
The whole point of it.

884
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,859
So when we were at the spearing

885
00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:44,999
event, it was two fish

886
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,859
per permit for the kids Is

887
00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:48,439
that just enough to kind of whet

888
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,309
their appetite?

889
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:50,889
Yeah, for sure.

890
00:28:50,890 --> 00:28:52,429
We definitely try to set a limit.

891
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,589
I mean, we try to, I mean we want

892
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:58,189
everyone to at least get one fish,

893
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:59,989
every kid to get at least one fish.

894
00:28:59,990 --> 00:29:01,849
But you know, it's, some kids are

895
00:29:01,850 --> 00:29:03,649
better at it and we just want to

896
00:29:03,650 --> 00:29:05,609
make sure to give each one of them

897
00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:07,809
opportunity to spear fish.

898
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:09,829
So when we were there, we also saw

899
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:11,869
the fish dance

900
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:13,089
that we...

901
00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:13,609
Yeah.

902
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:15,549
I mean, there's a whole

903
00:29:15,550 --> 00:29:17,289
celebration, like a whole festival

904
00:29:17,290 --> 00:29:20,869
surrounding it, that it's

905
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:22,689
not just we go here, we get in a

906
00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:23,969
boat, we go see if we can spear some

907
00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:24,849
fish.

908
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:27,369
Yep, so we definitely do the

909
00:29:27,370 --> 00:29:29,709
fish dance since all the males try

910
00:29:29,710 --> 00:29:31,529
to, you know,

911
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:33,609
it's showing appreciation

912
00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:36,349
and you know trying to

913
00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:38,229
give thanks that you

914
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:40,249
know that this water and this

915
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:42,769
lake is giving us fish and we

916
00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:44,229
want to make sure that it's known

917
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:46,569
that we're just not

918
00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:48,130
there to take fish.

919
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:53,169
We're, you to keep

920
00:29:53,170 --> 00:29:54,170
it right.

921
00:29:55,189 --> 00:29:57,829
But making everything feel,

922
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:59,649
I mean, there's a holistic process

923
00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:01,009
to all of that.

924
00:30:01,010 --> 00:30:02,629
I mean that is part of the

925
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:03,809
inspiration for the kids.

926
00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:05,509
It's not just, you go in a boat.

927
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:06,569
It's like the whole thing is a

928
00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:07,699
celebration.

929
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:10,299
Yes, definitely is.

930
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:12,139
I mean, we always, you

931
00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:13,599
know, we always want to offer

932
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,579
something if we're taking

933
00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:16,580
something.

934
00:30:18,689 --> 00:30:20,709
And we did see the one kid whose

935
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:21,710
spirit card.

936
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:25,449
Yeah, so there is

937
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:26,709
suckers out there.

938
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:29,029
I mean, you also have your

939
00:30:29,030 --> 00:30:30,829
pike fish, and then you'll have

940
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:33,889
perch, and then northern pike,

941
00:30:33,890 --> 00:30:35,269
and then, you have muskies out

942
00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:37,049
there, too. Those are always fun to

943
00:30:37,050 --> 00:30:38,050
spear.

944
00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:40,229
So are there separate seasons on

945
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:41,230
those?

946
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,899
You can spear,

947
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,199
so muskies usually only has,

948
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,520
they usually get like one.

949
00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:54,589
Because they're so big and

950
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:55,810
so sought after, like they...

951
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:59,310
They're fun.

952
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,619
It's gotta be a little harder to

953
00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:02,220
pull in the book. Oh yeah.

954
00:31:02,221 --> 00:31:03,221
Oh yeah, for sure.

955
00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:06,909
And you talked about how

956
00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:08,929
well is an important food in your

957
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:11,349
household and assuming I

958
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:13,289
mean, how regular do you eat it?

959
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:14,889
I mean do you following the

960
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:18,499
guidelines or guidelines are Yes

961
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:19,839
Yeah, definitely.

962
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,839
So growing up, it was, I mean,

963
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,539
you would have a fish fry every

964
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:25,499
other week.

965
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,039
You know, it's always good for

966
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,259
a family get together to have a big

967
00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:31,839
walleye fish fry.

968
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,459
I definitely didn't follow the

969
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:35,879
guidelines myself as a young man.

970
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,019
I was definitely indulging

971
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:40,319
on a lot of walleye, fried walleye.

972
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,139
It was just

973
00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:43,279
like candy.

974
00:31:44,390 --> 00:31:46,029
And do your boys take after you in

975
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:46,199
that?

976
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,339
Oh yeah, they definitely like

977
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:49,340
fish.

978
00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:53,389
It's got to be fun to see

979
00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:55,049
that come through in them.

980
00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:55,849
That's multiple.

981
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:57,029
That's three of the seven

982
00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:59,509
generations right there,

983
00:31:59,510 --> 00:32:01,449
between your uncle, and you, and

984
00:32:01,450 --> 00:32:02,450
your boys.

985
00:32:03,510 --> 00:32:04,649
Now you've got another boy coming

986
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:05,990
back closer to home.

987
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:09,429
Hopefully he takes it on

988
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:10,289
too.

989
00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:12,469
I mean, is that

990
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:14,489
difficult for you, because I'm

991
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:16,349
sure there's other dads that

992
00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:17,869
are setting up for spiriting around

993
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:18,969
the same time when you're working

994
00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:20,809
your 20-hour days.

995
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:22,929
Yeah, it's definitely become

996
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:24,549
a lot more difficult now that I have

997
00:32:24,550 --> 00:32:26,649
this job, because

998
00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:28,769
one of our busiest

999
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:30,649
times is collecting wall eggs,

1000
00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:32,249
and that's right when spearing

1001
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:33,089
happens.

1002
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:35,489
So it makes it a little tough,

1003
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:37,349
and they only spawn

1004
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:39,349
for so long, and

1005
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:41,009
it's hard to get out there when

1006
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:43,839
you're trying to collect eggs.

1007
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,679
So, part of what

1008
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,039
our documentary is looking at is

1009
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,359
the historical

1010
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,099
and cultural connections that the

1011
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:53,819
state has to Walleye.

1012
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,759
And obviously in different areas of

1013
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,659
the state, there's an

1014
00:32:58,660 --> 00:33:00,619
economic connection or the

1015
00:33:00,620 --> 00:33:02,019
resorts or guides.

1016
00:33:02,020 --> 00:33:04,439
Do you

1017
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,379
think there is a similarity between

1018
00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:08,749
the connection between

1019
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:10,589
the bands up here and

1020
00:33:10,590 --> 00:33:12,449
Walleye that's different or is it

1021
00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:14,149
just everyone can kind of

1022
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:15,150
universally

1023
00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:19,059
have a connection to that fish.

1024
00:33:19,060 --> 00:33:21,539
Yeah, I mean, so we don't,

1025
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:22,979
you know, we don't diversify

1026
00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:24,799
anybody, you know, we, we want

1027
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,599
it to be for everyone, you know, we,

1028
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,599
we know that it's not just for

1029
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,419
us, you know, we want everyone to

1030
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:31,499
be able to get a part of it.

1031
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,799
I mean, you can understand that

1032
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,879
connection runs for everyone.

1033
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,549
I mean it's an easy fish to love.

1034
00:33:39,550 --> 00:33:40,549
Yeah, yep.

1035
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:42,249
I know a lot of people have their,

1036
00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:43,409
you know, their summer,

1037
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:45,349
spring-summer homes on the lakes

1038
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:47,209
and they've,

1039
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:50,029
you, know, they've spent money to

1040
00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:51,689
have land there, have a dock there

1041
00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:53,529
and be able to catch these fish too.

1042
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:54,950
It's, you now, it's for them too.

1043
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:58,589
And obviously there's a lot of money

1044
00:33:58,590 --> 00:34:00,729
that goes into keeping

1045
00:34:00,730 --> 00:34:02,769
this species alive and thriving

1046
00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:04,429
in some areas and barely hanging on

1047
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:06,269
in others, not only in terms

1048
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:07,829
of raising the fish and the

1049
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:09,829
stocking, but also the research

1050
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:11,649
that is being done to

1051
00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:13,388
find out about habitats and when's

1052
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:15,189
the best time for this or that or

1053
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:16,409
the indoor-outdoor raising.

1054
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:19,269
I mean, I'm assuming that you think

1055
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:20,388
that all that money is worth it,

1056
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:22,209
that all that time is justified

1057
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:23,298
for it.

1058
00:34:23,299 --> 00:34:24,679
Yeah, I definitely think it is.

1059
00:34:27,449 --> 00:34:29,509
You don't just get funding to

1060
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:31,369
have fun and go out there and

1061
00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:32,329
make sure there's fish.

1062
00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:34,189
I mean, you're out there actually,

1063
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:36,169
you know, making sure there is fish

1064
00:34:36,170 --> 00:34:37,249
and making sure that there's a fish

1065
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:38,250
habitat.

1066
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,199
Trying to regulate everything.

1067
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:44,860
Keep the population up.

1068
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:49,349
So what would be the

1069
00:34:49,350 --> 00:34:51,169
outcome if that

1070
00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:52,888
wasn't possible, either through lack

1071
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:54,569
of funding or more environmental

1072
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:55,809
changes?

1073
00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:57,829
And there are some places where

1074
00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:59,749
walleye's going away out of those

1075
00:34:59,750 --> 00:35:01,669
lakes or those areas, and it's

1076
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:02,989
harder to justify trying to keep

1077
00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:04,129
them alive.

1078
00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:05,409
And for some fishermen, well,

1079
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:06,989
they'll move on to a crappie or to a

1080
00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:08,629
bass or something different.

1081
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:10,689
But what would the loss

1082
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:12,549
if walleye were that much

1083
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:14,569
more difficult or harder to find?

1084
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:16,209
Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest

1085
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:19,149
loss would be food for

1086
00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:20,669
feeding your family.

1087
00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:23,169
I mean if, if

1088
00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:25,149
it wasn't, you know,

1089
00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:27,229
regulated and like there would be,

1090
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:29,309
you would, it would be

1091
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:31,749
over fished, over speared and

1092
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:33,709
you would just run

1093
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:36,869
out of fish, really, there's

1094
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:38,989
nothing you can do if it's

1095
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:40,530
not regulated.

1096
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:44,729
Alright, anything else that you want

1097
00:35:44,730 --> 00:35:46,249
to add along the lines of what we've

1098
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:47,409
been talking about, anything I might

1099
00:35:47,410 --> 00:35:47,899
have missed?

1100
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,759
No, I think I got it pretty well

1101
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,899
covered.

1102
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:52,459
I think that I said the same thing a

1103
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:54,619
lot, making sure

1104
00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:56,499
that people

1105
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,559
know that we aren't just taking

1106
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,360
fish, we're putting fish back in.

1107
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:03,639
That's one of my biggest

1108
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,619
things I want people

1109
00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:06,620
to know.

1110
00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:09,179
We're putting the fish back.

1111
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:11,519
Well, we've got video of that.

1112
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Plenty of evidence.

1113
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,359
Can I get you to say and

1114
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,239
spell your name and your title,

1115
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:18,240
just so I have it?

1116
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:20,859
Okay, my name is Lance

1117
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:23,159
L-A-N-C-E

1118
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,699
Breset B-R-E-S-E

1119
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:28,619
T-T-E and

1120
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:30,619
I'm the hatchery specialist at

1121
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:32,400
Red Cliff Tribal Fish Hatchery.

1122
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,779
Should I get like 20 seconds of room

1123
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:36,599
time?

1124
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,499
So we're just gonna, we'll be quiet

1125
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:39,959
and he's gonna record the sounds of

1126
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,960
the room.