Right, you can talk to me.
If your phone call does come
through, feel free to take it.
It's not the end of the world. OK, I
was going to turn that off.
We can pause and stop.
Especially if it's about your pumps,
then I get it.
So I guess, let's
go back to the beginning from here.
You were born and raised around
here. Are you from Red Cliff
originally?
Yes, I'm born and raised
here in Red Cliff.
Both my parents are tribal members,
and yeah, I've been here ever
since.
So growing up, I said, you met
your uncle.
You were set loose in the woods.
Is that kind of the story?
Is that?
Oh yeah, for sure,
you know, taught how to run a
chainsaw from my uncle and
you know we did a lot of hunting and
we also did a lot of spearing with
my cousin.
He taught me a lot too in
the spearing.
Was there just a natural connection
or was it like being with other
kids that made it more enjoyable
or you know, how does that all come
together?
Um, I guess it just,
it was just the way we
did stuff around here.
It was just, I didn't really,
I thought it was normal to be
able to go spearing or
go hunting and we
also were in the woods running
our sugar bush in the spring
and did a lot of,
a lot of, um,
A lot of our treaty rights we
were exercising.
It was that, obviously
it was a conscious choice, but it
was very intentional, like asserting
the rights is an important step to
maintaining those rights.
Yeah, for sure.
I didn't know it at the time,
you know, I thought, like I said, I
thought it was normal.
I thought everyone was doing it.
And then, you know, as I got older,
I realized that, you know, those
rights are very important for
our tribe and, you know, tribal
members in general.
I did too.
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Does Andre have all his stuff?
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When did you first start working
in the natural resources department?
So I've been with
this tribe in natural resources
for 11 years now,
but before that, I worked for the
University of Wisconsin-Stevens
Point aquaculture facility for five
years, and that's really what got me
into raising fish.
Okay, so you were at an ADF?
Yeah, I was at NADF for
five years.
Was it a natural progression to
cross the street?
Yeah, for sure.
Pretty much got taught everything
I needed to know to
come here and be able to raise fish,
indoors and outdoors.
Was that something that
the tribe had been doing here?
Or was it important for you to come
with that knowledge and bring
that with you?
Yeah, it wasn't really something
the tribe was doing.
It was just, it just kind of
happened that way.
Like, I actually just had
come home from college and was
looking for a job, and I knew that I
was into fish,
and it just,
it worked out.
So when you came here,
what was the program, what did it
look like? I guess, and how much has
it changed since you came with
that knowledge of how to run it?
Yeah, so I mean,
the program was running pretty good.
I did bring more knowledge
and we were able to
improve on raising the fish,
like having better quality fish.
We improved our ponds
and we're still improving every
year by getting better,
you know, more knowledge with how to
raise fish and
it's getting a lot better.
Explain to me the philosophy
that comes behind the
whole hatchery process that you have
here.
What goes into the judgments that
you make about where to get
eggs from, when to put back, how
much to stock, you know, all that.
Yeah, so with Walleye...
Eggs from the lakes
that are tribe spears so
we're not only you know taking
fish from taking walleye
from the lake but we're also putting
the walleye back in the lake you
know most people don't know
that we you
know stock walleye back in the lake
we're I'm just taking...
And how do you choose which lakes,
like last year the Upper St. Croix,
this year the Clare.
In the middle, clearly.
Little Claire and Namacog
and that's a different relationship
but yeah it's just kind of like you
have a running pattern
Yeah, pretty much.
So really it's
all about, uh,
the density of the lake, you know,
right now, middle, when I,
when, I used to spear middle Eau
Claire, there was four adult
walleye per acre
in each in the
lake and right now there's only
one adult per acre.
So we're trying to, you know,
increase the production.
I mean
have more, put more fish in.
How, I mean do most of the
tribal members know about that
process that you guys do?
Because obviously a lot of the
publics aren't aware,
but does your own community even
aware of that part of
that?
Yeah, the community is aware,
for sure.
I mean, now with social
media, it's the past few years
it's really been getting out there.
Like, yeah, I mean social media
is making it well known
that we're stocking
fish, and we're getting some really
good feedback.
So we were obviously with you last
year when we went to St.
Croix. What were, I don't know if
you remember off hand, but roughly
what were some of the numbers you
got out of those ponds, because we
were there for the first day of the
pond.
Yeah, so last
year we stocked
9,000, just
a little over 9, 000 extended growth
wall lights, so they were 7 to 9
inches.
In that lake, that's
a really good number.
Those are healthy looking fish.
Yeah, yeah.
Seven to nine inches.
I mean, so just growing them from
spring to fall and that's,
that's it.
I mean, what does that mean for you
to be a part of that process?
Yeah, it makes me feel really good,
you know, with the,
you know, talking with the
Lake Association, they're super
happy with it and it makes feel
pretty proud and
happy to do it.
I don't know how
far back your history is, your
uncle was talking about the
early days of asserting treaty
rights and some of the conflict that
existed there and
the stereotypes that still came out
of that that some people still hold,
how important is it to try
and break through to people?
Yeah.
It's a different era, like you guys
are putting more fish in than are
actually coming out.
Yeah, it's very important.
I mean, like I said, most people
don't know that we put fish back in.
And, you know, the...
Just, I mean, it is getting
better, but it still,
you know, still needs more,
more to get
out there so people know.
One of the other factors is
the mercury safety
level maps.
I guess I was overhearing at the
youth night, there was talking about
some people were still putting in
claims on lakes that
other people were saying, I would
never eat a fish out of that lake.
Yeah, so, I mean,
mercury is always a thing
to worry about. I mean that's why
they have the
parameters out there for people to,
you know, not eat too much or
try to catch
a certain size, certain
limit and leave the big ones alone
so hopefully they can spawn and
keep things going.
Do you guys actively avoid
stalking or interacting with a lake
that has mercury?
I mean, would it ever make sense to
put fish into that lake?
Yeah, so we don't
actually stock any
lake that has a high mercury
in it.
So all the ones we do, usually,
that's not a factor, we're not
worried about it.
Does that reduce the number
of lakes that you're interacting
with?
Yeah, it definitely does.
It's, yeah, it's tough.
I mean, it makes it a little tougher
to be able to, you know, try
to keep everyone happy.
But, I mean there's also not
that many lakes.
So it's, we try to,
whatever lake our
tribe is spearing is what we're
trying to restock.
And how does that overlap work,
because we saw that Bad River was
there on Friday night, and obviously
we put a raise very close by.
I mean, you guys kind of work with
each other to talk about who's
going to go where, who stocks where,
how that works.
Yeah, we definitely talk with the
other tribes and then we also talk
with the state because the state
does stock certain lakes
and whatever the lake,
whatever lake the state's not
stocking is what usually once will
stock. So they'll do different
years.
And so tell me a little bit about
how the Namacoggin project
came to be about, because that's
a unique relationship, right?
Yeah, yeah,
so I guess it came about when
Mike came to me
and said that they
want more walleye in their lake, and
we were the ones that,
since we're a tribe, we can actually
collect our eggs without having
a bunch of permits, and then we can
also stock the fish back in the lake
without having, you know,
a bunch permits.
So is that an unusual relationship?
Because, I mean, it's not just a
lake association of the tribe, like
you have an ADF, you have a DNR.
Yeah, I guess I
don't know if it's an unusual
relationship.
I guess they
really were the only ones that
reached out, saying that, you know,
can you?
With our population of walleye.
Are you more inclined to want
to work with them if they're
actually reaching out?
Yeah, I mean, so we always
factor in, you know,
what lake we're spearing, and
in Nemecoggin we do spear
a lot, so that was a big
factor.
And it also always comes down to
funding. You know, if we don't have
funding to feed our walleye minnows,
then we can't raise them.
So we need funding to
be able to raise walleye.
And does the Lake Association help
with that, or is...
Yeah, they definitely do.
So this year we're doing middle Eau
Claire and they donated some money
to help with
feeding our walleye.
Yeah, because you mentioned it's
not cheap, those
minnows are getting trucked
in from out of state.
Yeah, yeah, modest state for sure.
And I guess when you look
at the bill like that,
is there federal money, and then
tribal money, and then donated
money, does the DNR kick in,
or where does all the different pots
of money?
Yeah, so usually we
get funding from the BIA,
which is the Bureau of Indian
Affairs, and then we
don't get any money from the state
to do it.
And then, yeah, it's just the
associations and BIA.
And so all of those
factor in what you're able to
do.
Yep, and then Glyphwick
is also a big partner
and
hopefully they can
get some funding for us too.
And they've been doing surveys
there, right? Yep.
Clifford. What have you learned from
any of the surveys?
They did a young of year, and I
think they did a spring survey this
year. Do you know anything from what
they've gotten?
We don't know yet.
So the only thing we know
is by mouth of
a word, they've told us that they've
seen them, but they haven't
analyzed the data yet.
And what, I mean, anecdotally,
what would you expect to see?
I mean do you think that this is a
better positive relationship?
Yeah, I mean, I'm not only
hoping that it's a, you know,
working, I think we're putting in a
lot of work for it.
So I'm hoping, and
I think that it's working.
This last study that Glyphic did
is that we made sure that
they looked for
fin clips on our walleye.
So we'll know more within
a year.
And then the left and right fin
click tubes.
Yep.
That's interesting.
Yep, so different fin clips
for the indoor raised fish.
Is that, I mean, how
important is that distinction long
term? Could that really change
how atries work?
Yes, for sure.
It's a lot easier to raise fish
indoors with, you
know, you can control everything,
pretty much, and then outdoors
it's, you know, it's Mother Nature,
she's in charge, and we just
have to do what she says.
How many times have you just walked
by the ponds and been like, well,
we don't know?
Yeah, for sure.
And then, you know, it's
the ducts were a
major factor.
And then you could also get the...
Muskrats can mess up your ponds and
then you have otters that if otter
gets in there they can eat a lot of
fish
So when you get the,
we were there when you guys were
taking the first fund out and you
had all the volunteers come up,
how important is that,
not only for the labor, but just
to have those people come and see,
this is what we're
working towards, or this is what
some of our money is going towards,
this what's going into our lake.
Yeah, I mean it's very important
to, you know, get the lake
associations to help and
then they actually get to see what
we are doing and know
that it's not just easy just
to raise fish
and then everyone thinks
it's just easy.
You put fish in water and they grow
and you don't have to feed them and
then you can just take the
fish out and put them in the lake.
But yeah, it's a
long process.
So for you, you've been doing this
a long time. How much of your
mental energy is devoted to
thinking about fish in a pond
at any given time?
Yeah, I mean, it's,
I think about it all the time when
all the fish are in there, you know,
it's like I said it's outdoors
so it's anything can
go wrong.
I mean, you look out in the weather
and you go, oh, it's sunny today.
Oh yeah, so that's one
thing we do with our ponds is once
there's fish in there we'll check
them every single day, you know,
we're checking to make sure the
oxygen is good.
We're checking for making
sure that the water is
turbid, it's darker,
I mean, you don't want it too turbid
either, you want it to...
So the fish, the walleye are
very cannibalistic,
they'll eat each other.
If you keep the water darker, that
definitely keeps down the
catamalism.
So we're there checking every day.
So walleye themselves should be on
the list of things that can
ruin the walleye population.
Yes, for sure.
And that happens in the Rigger Lake
as well.
Yep, for sure.
I mean, while they're a very
aggressive fish and they'll eat
their brothers and sisters, they
don't care.
They're hungry.
So I guess, take me back
to when you were younger.
How aware were you of
what the walleye populations were
at that time, and some of the
shifts that were occurring is I
guess a lot of links from the late
90s into the early 2000s, there were
some severe declines just due to
a lot different factors.
Yeah, so I guess when I was younger,
when I was spearing a lot, it was...
So every time you go spearing, you
get a permit and it has a certain
amount of fish on
it. Like, you know, you got a permit
and it says you get to spear 25
fish.
And then as the years kept going on,
it was, you now, go down and say 20
fish this time.
Then all of a sudden it was 15 fish
and that was when I
realized that, you know, something
was going wrong.
Like, where are these fish going?
I mean, why is there less?
As I got older, I realized that
there's a lot of factors.
It's not only the
tribes taking fish.
It's also the
sports fishermen.
They'll take a lot fish.
And the tribes,
they're regulated.
Like I said, you get a permit, and
there's wardens at the landing
to make sure that you're taking
your limit and not overdoing
it.
Can you imagine how much the
hook and line fisherman would howl
if every time their boat came in
they had to open up the thing?
Yeah, they for sure would be,
I think it should be
the law to report how
much fish you're catching and, you
know, there's a limit for
a reason.
An honor system.
Yeah, honor system is
very hard to...
I mean that's kind of, it's
a sad irony of the whole
stereotypes of the tribes taking all
the fish when like you
guys are under the strict limits
that are actually watched and
they're not.
And there's tons of documented
evidence of fishermen just
going back to the same like day
after day after and filling the
freezer.
Yeah, so we're working
with the lake associations.
A lot of the people actually live
right on the lake.
You know, they have, you know, they
can see right out their front
windows that there's
a lot of commercial, or not
commercial, sports fishermen
out there catching a lot
fish and you do see
them, you know bringing them back to
shore and then going back out and
catching more fish.
So it's definitely not
regulated as hard
and as strict as.
Tribal fishermen's spear.
And that's certainly not what the
public might think if you asked the
average person who has tougher
regulations on them.
Yes, for sure.
When you go through, when you
work with lake associations, and
you're changing minds one
at a time, hopefully, I mean,
do you feel like that's
changed?
Do you think that the perceptions
have shifted over time?
Yes, for sure.
So in my almost 11
years here, it's,
like I said, the social media has
gotten a lot better.
I mean, there's always your haters
on the social medias saying that
we're taking all the fish, but...
We are getting the word out a lot
better that, you know, we are
putting fish back in the lake.
So talk to me a little bit about the
youth spearfishing.
I know you weren't able to be there,
but have you done it before with
your boys?
Yeah, yep, we've done it before.
So every year the
Red Cliff and Bad River band
put on a youth spearing night
and it's
really nice because a
lot of kids don't get the
opportunity to go spearing.
So it's, it's nice that the
Boys and Girls Club of Red Cliff
will take, you know,
probably 25 kids to
just that one night and that'd be
there.
Probably their only chance to be
able to do it and
it's been great that we've
been getting kids involved and
they are
taking a liking to it so it's
nice to keep it
going.
You know as well as anyone
what it's like to be a parent
and have kids' attention everywhere.
So what is that battle like to have
kids recognize, hey this is
not just a pastime, this is your
culture, this your history.
It's different than just something
to do on a Sunday or a week.
Yeah, so, I mean, it's great because
most kids don't know that they can
actually get a tribal ID, you
know, because without a tribal I.D.,
you can't, you know, get your
permit.
And having kids having that tribal
ID gives them,
feels like gives them some power,
you know, and they get to get
their permit and they,
yeah, get to go spear some
fish.
I mean at the end of the night we
saw a lot of kids and they'd flay
them and have their bag walking
around and you know there's got to
be, that's a big part
of it too is like having
the filets either to give to someone
else or to use yourself.
Yeah, I mean, being able
to feed your family with what you
harvest is really
big.
And that's something that can
carry over into a
connection that's here.
Yep, yep, we're hoping so.
We always say it's for the next
seven generations is what we're
trying to work for.
And is that an
older saying or?
Yeah, as far as I know,
that just hurt it a lot.
I mean, that's a long time.
Yeah, yeah.
But that's the length of history
that you guys are working with,
which is different for a
lot of the rest of the state,
seven generations, they're not on
this continent.
Yeah, right.
They can't go back that far,
but that's a reality for people
up here.
Yep, yep.
We're definitely, you
know, fighting for our treaty rights
to make sure that we
get to exercise them and use them.
What is the competition
like in terms of kids' interests of
leaving and just going
to other parts of the states for
opportunities versus having
something that might be able to draw
them back one day?
To understand that they've got a
connection here no matter what.
Yeah, I mean that is
the connection.
You have, I mean, your home,
you have, you have
your rights on your reservation,
you have your treaty rights to
be able to harvest and, you
know, harvest fish,
animals, anything really.
Talk to me a little bit about
Walleye itself.
What sets that species apart?
Why is it so
culturally important?
Yeah, so, I mean,
culturally important, it's
just, it's what I've
known, you know.
It's just always been, the
wall-ite's always been in
my family and in my house.
You know, it just...
Fish for food, and it's,
I guess it's
just...
What I've known, I guess it's
just, Walei's always been like.
Go-to fish.
I mean, they taste the best,
I think, and I
think they look the coolest.
It's always been part of it.
It's probably more difficult to
explain something that's that
innate. It's almost like, tell me
why air is important.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah. I mean, it's also,
it is my job.
It's been, you know,
it helps pay
the bills, you, know, feed my
kids and...
What we've done for
years.
I mean, is there ever a day when
you're looking at the fish, you're
like, oh, I'm so sick of looking at
walleye.
I guess I wouldn't say I get sick
of them. I mean, some days you have
your problems with
the, that it gets.
Keep going.
I like to look at them as
we are their parents, you know,
raising these fish and hopefully
giving them the best path to
survive.
Yeah, because I mean that is a big
part of, I mean some of the reason
why they're harder to find is
natural recruitment is down.
So like you are contributing
to a part of making sure that
there's still fish in the water.
Yeah, yes.
I mean, that's got to be an
interesting relationship to
build.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I do feel like
I'd grow connected to the fish and,
you know, feel like a proud
parent sending them off once I
get them in the lake and they swim
away.
Well, it's because you get to the
end of the season and they come out
and they look gorgeous.
I mean, these are beautiful looking
fish.
Yeah.
I'm sure, you know, if they came out
runty or something, you'd be like,
okay, what would run?
They look that good.
There's got to be that way.
We did a good job.
Yes, for sure.
It's very proud moments putting them
in the lake.
For you and for your
boys, I mean, if you're out
spearing and you get one that's got
the thin clip, I means, is that a
different connection?
Uh, not really.
I mean, it's...
It's nice to see.
You know, without spearing that
fish, we wouldn't know that it
was a hatchery-raised
fish.
I mean, if we don't have
assessments on the lakes, there's
no other way of knowing.
And if people don't report back
to us that there was a fin-clipped
fish, then we wouldn't know.
So it's nice to see.
And in the spring, it
gets a busy season when you're out.
I mean, we've been with you setting
fight nets, collecting from
fight nets and night shocking.
I mean are those
long,
draggy days or is that
like, that's the beginning of this
whole process?
Yeah, so every year
is different.
I mean, we always call it ice out,
wait for the ice to get off the
lake.
And every year,
the walleye aren't always spawning
right away when the ice is gone.
And we've had years where the walley
have actually spawned under the ice,
so we weren't able to collect eggs.
But I mean it's,
when you're in the moment,
it feels like you're doing a lot.
But. Then you look back and
it's only been, it's been only a
month at the most.
You know, like, I guess it wasn't
too bad.
It was, you know, you definitely do
get druggie from work in, you now,
mornings.
Lifting your fight nets and then
working that same night,
shocking and trying to collect eggs.
It's, it's tough work but
it's rewarding.
And then, I mean, what's that like
for you when you've got a jar full
of them and then all of a sudden
they start to hatch?
Oh, it's nice.
It's real nice.
I mean, wall eggs are so small,
but it's crazy that you can get
something the size of your eyelash
to grow to nine inches from
just spring to fall.
And it goes back and it starts
the cycle.
Yep, yep.
The whole point of it.
So when we were at the spearing
event, it was two fish
per permit for the kids Is
that just enough to kind of whet
their appetite?
Yeah, for sure.
We definitely try to set a limit.
I mean, we try to, I mean we want
everyone to at least get one fish,
every kid to get at least one fish.
But you know, it's, some kids are
better at it and we just want to
make sure to give each one of them
opportunity to spear fish.
So when we were there, we also saw
the fish dance
that we...
Yeah.
I mean, there's a whole
celebration, like a whole festival
surrounding it, that it's
not just we go here, we get in a
boat, we go see if we can spear some
fish.
Yep, so we definitely do the
fish dance since all the males try
to, you know,
it's showing appreciation
and you know trying to
give thanks that you
know that this water and this
lake is giving us fish and we
want to make sure that it's known
that we're just not
there to take fish.
We're, you to keep
it right.
But making everything feel,
I mean, there's a holistic process
to all of that.
I mean that is part of the
inspiration for the kids.
It's not just, you go in a boat.
It's like the whole thing is a
celebration.
Yes, definitely is.
I mean, we always, you
know, we always want to offer
something if we're taking
something.
And we did see the one kid whose
spirit card.
Yeah, so there is
suckers out there.
I mean, you also have your
pike fish, and then you'll have
perch, and then northern pike,
and then, you have muskies out
there, too. Those are always fun to
spear.
So are there separate seasons on
those?
You can spear,
so muskies usually only has,
they usually get like one.
Because they're so big and
so sought after, like they...
They're fun.
It's gotta be a little harder to
pull in the book. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, for sure.
And you talked about how
well is an important food in your
household and assuming I
mean, how regular do you eat it?
I mean do you following the
guidelines or guidelines are Yes
Yeah, definitely.
So growing up, it was, I mean,
you would have a fish fry every
other week.
You know, it's always good for
a family get together to have a big
walleye fish fry.
I definitely didn't follow the
guidelines myself as a young man.
I was definitely indulging
on a lot of walleye, fried walleye.
It was just
like candy.
And do your boys take after you in
that?
Oh yeah, they definitely like
fish.
It's got to be fun to see
that come through in them.
That's multiple.
That's three of the seven
generations right there,
between your uncle, and you, and
your boys.
Now you've got another boy coming
back closer to home.
Hopefully he takes it on
too.
I mean, is that
difficult for you, because I'm
sure there's other dads that
are setting up for spiriting around
the same time when you're working
your 20-hour days.
Yeah, it's definitely become
a lot more difficult now that I have
this job, because
one of our busiest
times is collecting wall eggs,
and that's right when spearing
happens.
So it makes it a little tough,
and they only spawn
for so long, and
it's hard to get out there when
you're trying to collect eggs.
So, part of what
our documentary is looking at is
the historical
and cultural connections that the
state has to Walleye.
And obviously in different areas of
the state, there's an
economic connection or the
resorts or guides.
Do you
think there is a similarity between
the connection between
the bands up here and
Walleye that's different or is it
just everyone can kind of
universally
have a connection to that fish.
Yeah, I mean, so we don't,
you know, we don't diversify
anybody, you know, we, we want
it to be for everyone, you know, we,
we know that it's not just for
us, you know, we want everyone to
be able to get a part of it.
I mean, you can understand that
connection runs for everyone.
I mean it's an easy fish to love.
Yeah, yep.
I know a lot of people have their,
you know, their summer,
spring-summer homes on the lakes
and they've,
you, know, they've spent money to
have land there, have a dock there
and be able to catch these fish too.
It's, you now, it's for them too.
And obviously there's a lot of money
that goes into keeping
this species alive and thriving
in some areas and barely hanging on
in others, not only in terms
of raising the fish and the
stocking, but also the research
that is being done to
find out about habitats and when's
the best time for this or that or
the indoor-outdoor raising.
I mean, I'm assuming that you think
that all that money is worth it,
that all that time is justified
for it.
Yeah, I definitely think it is.
You don't just get funding to
have fun and go out there and
make sure there's fish.
I mean, you're out there actually,
you know, making sure there is fish
and making sure that there's a fish
habitat.
Trying to regulate everything.
Keep the population up.
So what would be the
outcome if that
wasn't possible, either through lack
of funding or more environmental
changes?
And there are some places where
walleye's going away out of those
lakes or those areas, and it's
harder to justify trying to keep
them alive.
And for some fishermen, well,
they'll move on to a crappie or to a
bass or something different.
But what would the loss
if walleye were that much
more difficult or harder to find?
Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest
loss would be food for
feeding your family.
I mean if, if
it wasn't, you know,
regulated and like there would be,
you would, it would be
over fished, over speared and
you would just run
out of fish, really, there's
nothing you can do if it's
not regulated.
Alright, anything else that you want
to add along the lines of what we've
been talking about, anything I might
have missed?
No, I think I got it pretty well
covered.
I think that I said the same thing a
lot, making sure
that people
know that we aren't just taking
fish, we're putting fish back in.
That's one of my biggest
things I want people
to know.
We're putting the fish back.
Well, we've got video of that.
Plenty of evidence.
Can I get you to say and
spell your name and your title,
just so I have it?
Okay, my name is Lance
L-A-N-C-E
Breset B-R-E-S-E
T-T-E and
I'm the hatchery specialist at
Red Cliff Tribal Fish Hatchery.
Should I get like 20 seconds of room
time?
So we're just gonna, we'll be quiet
and he's gonna record the sounds of
the room.