1 00:00:31,570 --> 00:00:32,869 Democrats running for governor have 2 00:00:32,870 --> 00:00:34,769 less than two months to stand out in 3 00:00:34,770 --> 00:00:35,989 a crowded field. 4 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:37,309 How'd they do that at the state 5 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:38,549 party convention? 6 00:00:38,550 --> 00:00:40,169 And we run through developments and 7 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:42,169 lawsuits involving voter rolls, 8 00:00:42,170 --> 00:00:43,449 legislative maps, and false 9 00:00:43,450 --> 00:00:44,569 electors. 10 00:00:44,570 --> 00:00:46,690 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 11 00:00:51,970 --> 00:00:53,669 I'm Sean Johnson here with Anya 12 00:00:53,670 --> 00:00:55,029 Venwengtindonk. 13 00:00:55,030 --> 00:00:56,990 Let's try that again, Anya. 14 00:00:59,970 --> 00:01:01,509 I'm Shawn Johnson here with 15 00:01:01,510 --> 00:01:03,329 Anyavenwengtononk and Rich 16 00:01:03,330 --> 00:01:04,488 Kramer in Eau Claire. 17 00:01:04,489 --> 00:01:05,629 Hey gang. Hey Sean. 18 00:01:06,650 --> 00:01:08,589 Hey Sean So I think it's 19 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:10,669 fair to say, Anya, that this 20 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:12,309 campaign, this primary campaign, 21 00:01:12,310 --> 00:01:14,149 will not be won or lost by what 22 00:01:14,150 --> 00:01:15,649 was said in the room at the 23 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:16,809 Democratic state convention. 24 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:17,689 But I still think these are 25 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:19,509 interesting because you have all 26 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:21,049 seven candidates there. 27 00:01:21,050 --> 00:01:22,589 They're under the same set of rules 28 00:01:22,590 --> 00:01:24,609 in terms of how long they can speak, 29 00:01:24,610 --> 00:01:25,610 the same audience. 30 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:29,890 Okay 31 00:01:31,370 --> 00:01:33,099 What is the end of 32 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:34,919 I just ramble like that. 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,559 Perfect. 17 and a half. 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,459 Am I supposed to not say hey Sean? 35 00:01:40,290 --> 00:01:41,409 I don't know what I'm supposed to 36 00:01:41,410 --> 00:01:42,889 do. I think you can let it. 37 00:01:42,890 --> 00:01:44,509 I would yield to the control room if 38 00:01:44,510 --> 00:01:46,369 they have, but I think there 39 00:01:46,370 --> 00:01:48,109 was, you could just nod as well. 40 00:01:48,110 --> 00:01:48,939 Just the nod? 41 00:01:48,940 --> 00:01:49,979 That's what that meant? 42 00:01:49,980 --> 00:01:51,040 OK. I wasn't sure. 43 00:01:55,610 --> 00:01:56,829 I mean honestly, we could just do it 44 00:01:56,830 --> 00:01:58,449 that way forever as far as I'm 45 00:01:58,450 --> 00:01:59,789 concerned. The question is, what was 46 00:01:59,790 --> 00:02:00,790 it like? 47 00:02:15,690 --> 00:02:17,049 Democrats running for governor have 48 00:02:17,050 --> 00:02:19,069 less than two months to stand out in 49 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:20,189 a crowded field. 50 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:21,469 How'd they do that at the state 51 00:02:21,470 --> 00:02:22,689 party convention? 52 00:02:22,690 --> 00:02:24,389 And we run through developments in 53 00:02:24,390 --> 00:02:26,429 lawsuits involving voter rolls, 54 00:02:26,430 --> 00:02:27,749 legislative maps, and false 55 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:28,869 electors. 56 00:02:28,870 --> 00:02:30,990 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 57 00:02:35,380 --> 00:02:37,419 I'm Sean Johnson, here with Anya van 58 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:39,499 Wegtendonk and Rich Kramer in 59 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:40,679 Eau Claire. Hey gang. 60 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Hey Sean. 61 00:02:42,460 --> 00:02:43,979 So Anya, I think it's fair to say 62 00:02:43,980 --> 00:02:46,039 that this primary campaign is 63 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,179 not going to be won or lost 64 00:02:48,180 --> 00:02:50,099 based on what happened in 65 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:51,239 the room at the state party 66 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,399 convention over the weekend. 67 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,379 But you did head all seven 68 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:55,379 candidates there. 69 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:56,459 They were under the same set of 70 00:02:56,460 --> 00:02:58,319 rules speaking to the same group of 71 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,499 democratic activists. 72 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,079 What was it like? 73 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,679 Yeah, you know, I say this with all 74 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,879 due respect. 75 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,739 Normal people do not attend state 76 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:07,939 party conventions, right? 77 00:03:07,940 --> 00:03:09,559 These are like the most diehard 78 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,739 Democrats, the most diehard 79 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:11,739 Republicans who go to that 80 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:12,519 convention. 81 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,879 And so these are the people who are 82 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,719 like the most energized about 83 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,279 their party and are going to be the 84 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,439 ones to hopefully, you know, 85 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,279 bring in their fellow 86 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,179 but like less excited Democrats. 87 00:03:23,180 --> 00:03:25,239 And so I think that was kind of the 88 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,359 vibe of the speeches that you were 89 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,159 getting from the gubernatorial 90 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,559 candidates, which is that they were 91 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:30,869 trying to appeal to this. 92 00:03:30,870 --> 00:03:32,929 Base, right, the most kind of 93 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:35,009 committed Democrats possible, 94 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:36,829 and also make the case 95 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:38,309 not only that they should stand out 96 00:03:38,310 --> 00:03:39,809 in the seven-person primary going 97 00:03:39,810 --> 00:03:41,989 into August, but that they are also 98 00:03:41,990 --> 00:03:43,849 most sort of best positioned to 99 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:45,329 beat Tom Tiffany in November. 100 00:03:45,330 --> 00:03:46,729 And so those are kind of two 101 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:48,029 different arguments that you need to 102 00:03:48,030 --> 00:03:49,349 be making, the one that makes you 103 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:50,449 most appealing to Democrats, and 104 00:03:50,450 --> 00:03:51,229 then the one that make the most 105 00:03:51,230 --> 00:03:52,869 appealing, to kind of your average 106 00:03:52,870 --> 00:03:53,899 Wisconsinite. 107 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:55,559 And there was a lot of kind of 108 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,319 threading of that needle while also 109 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,219 trying to get excitement. 110 00:03:58,220 --> 00:03:59,859 So it was definitely a little bit of 111 00:03:59,860 --> 00:04:01,679 a dance going on, but that I think 112 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,458 was kind of the overarching theme. 113 00:04:04,459 --> 00:04:06,279 What common threads stood out 114 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,899 to you. I mean, like what was 115 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:10,879 a theme 116 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,239 that stood out in all the speeches 117 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,169 or at least most of them. 118 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:14,669 Yeah, so kind of too. 119 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:16,768 So the Tom Tiffany theme and also 120 00:04:16,769 --> 00:04:18,449 by extension, Donald Trump, right? 121 00:04:18,450 --> 00:04:19,909 A lot of trying to tie the two of 122 00:04:19,910 --> 00:04:20,749 those together. 123 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:22,229 But then affordability was kind of 124 00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:23,409 the word of the day. 125 00:04:23,410 --> 00:04:25,549 The theme of the convention was 126 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:26,889 reclaiming the American dream. 127 00:04:28,170 --> 00:04:30,429 And each of the candidates talked 128 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:32,329 in either broader or more 129 00:04:32,330 --> 00:04:34,129 specific terms, sort of depending on 130 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:35,889 the candidate about what they would 131 00:04:35,890 --> 00:04:37,449 do to basically put more money in 132 00:04:37,450 --> 00:04:39,509 people's pockets, lower prices, 133 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:40,529 make things more affordable in 134 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:41,489 Wisconsin. 135 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:43,349 So, Rich, you and I were not at 136 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:45,229 this convention, although we 137 00:04:45,230 --> 00:04:46,289 had a chance to listen to these 138 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:47,509 speeches later. We'll set out to 139 00:04:47,510 --> 00:04:48,510 you. 140 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,059 Well, Anya already 141 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:53,399 mentioned it. There was a lot of 142 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,999 talk about Donald Trump and the 143 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,079 chaos in Washington from his 144 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,939 administration. 145 00:04:57,940 --> 00:04:59,599 That's according to these Democratic 146 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:00,619 candidates. 147 00:05:00,620 --> 00:05:02,499 And it's pretty obvious 148 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:04,479 why they would focus on 149 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:05,659 the president. 150 00:05:05,660 --> 00:05:07,519 And his popularity rating 151 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,379 is pretty low in 152 00:05:09,380 --> 00:05:10,659 polling. 153 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:12,719 So it seems like they're 154 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,579 hoping that Trump will be a 155 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:16,799 liability for Tom Tiffany as 156 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,809 they as they move forward 157 00:05:18,810 --> 00:05:20,109 in this campaign. 158 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:22,249 And also, there's only one 159 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:23,789 Republican in the race, so they're 160 00:05:23,790 --> 00:05:25,709 able to focus their attacks on one 161 00:05:25,710 --> 00:05:26,929 person. 162 00:05:26,930 --> 00:05:28,429 Meanwhile, you know, Tom Tiffany 163 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:30,309 doesn't have to worry about trying 164 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:32,069 to stand out among Republican 165 00:05:32,070 --> 00:05:34,529 competitors in his primary, 166 00:05:34,530 --> 00:05:35,929 or in a primary. 167 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:37,829 So that's what stuck out, but there 168 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:39,849 was some other things that 169 00:05:39,850 --> 00:05:41,629 stood out. In terms of like the 170 00:05:41,630 --> 00:05:43,729 closest thing to criticizing 171 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:45,729 other Democrats, seemed to 172 00:05:45,730 --> 00:05:46,679 come from. 173 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,659 State Senator Kelda Royce, 174 00:05:48,660 --> 00:05:50,599 and she just basically said the 175 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,819 party cannot afford to 176 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:54,679 to pick a nominee that 177 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,179 Would put a Democratic trifecta 178 00:05:57,180 --> 00:05:58,939 that is the State Senate State 179 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:00,719 Assembly and the governor's office 180 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,919 in jeopardy so 181 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,659 no names were named but 182 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:07,799 people might be able to Infer 183 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,719 who or how many 184 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,119 you know people she might have been 185 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,999 talking about And of course there 186 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,599 was a number of like pretty bold 187 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,799 promises from some of these 188 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,800 candidates as well 189 00:06:17,750 --> 00:06:19,789 That that did that criticism 190 00:06:19,790 --> 00:06:21,129 did jump out to me. 191 00:06:21,130 --> 00:06:22,669 There was another one I think you 192 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:24,689 could argue from Francesca Hong 193 00:06:24,690 --> 00:06:26,529 saying that when you go out 194 00:06:26,530 --> 00:06:28,509 on the campaign trail People 195 00:06:28,510 --> 00:06:30,609 can detect BS. 196 00:06:30,610 --> 00:06:31,949 We're not gonna say the word because 197 00:06:31,950 --> 00:06:34,369 family show here guys, but she 198 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:36,269 was essentially 199 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:38,348 without name and name saying 200 00:06:38,349 --> 00:06:40,049 The other candidates aren't as 201 00:06:40,050 --> 00:06:41,889 authentic as me is the way 202 00:06:41,890 --> 00:06:43,409 that I heard it I'll tell you one 203 00:06:43,410 --> 00:06:44,489 other thing that kind of stood out 204 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:46,719 to meet upon 205 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,039 first review of the speeches, 206 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,919 I went away thinking, these 207 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,779 felt like general election speeches 208 00:06:52,780 --> 00:06:53,879 a little bit. 209 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,159 I mean, this is a primary where 210 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,279 they're almost gonna have to, 211 00:06:58,280 --> 00:06:59,499 some of them are gonna have to get 212 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,379 negative if they want to climb the 213 00:07:01,380 --> 00:07:03,240 ladder and be the party's candidate. 214 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,799 And even the criticisms 215 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,679 we just mentioned, Rich, weren't 216 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,899 exactly super negative. 217 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:12,739 And the messages, I could absolutely 218 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:13,899 imagine them. 219 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:15,979 In a general election campaign 220 00:07:15,980 --> 00:07:17,979 against Tom Tiffany. 221 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:19,239 But they are, Anya, they're trying 222 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,259 to win this Democratic primary 223 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:23,099 among a smaller group 224 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:24,249 of voters right now. 225 00:07:24,250 --> 00:07:25,829 Right, but it is this balancing act 226 00:07:25,830 --> 00:07:27,789 where, as Rich said, right, they are 227 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:28,869 going for a trifecta. 228 00:07:28,870 --> 00:07:30,489 And that was another big theme of 229 00:07:30,490 --> 00:07:31,769 the weekend, is this idea that 230 00:07:31,770 --> 00:07:32,789 Democrats really think that they 231 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:34,229 could take over all three chambers 232 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:36,069 of government. And so they need 233 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:37,629 to try to distinguish themselves. 234 00:07:37,630 --> 00:07:39,049 And most of them don't have that 235 00:07:39,050 --> 00:07:40,269 kind of, you know, statewide 236 00:07:40,270 --> 00:07:42,029 visibility. So they are still trying 237 00:07:42,030 --> 00:07:43,749 to get just like baseline name 238 00:07:43,750 --> 00:07:45,409 recognition, which is important for 239 00:07:45,410 --> 00:07:47,249 a primary, but then also not do 240 00:07:47,250 --> 00:07:49,049 anything to harm other Democrats, 241 00:07:49,050 --> 00:07:50,509 because, you know, if you have sort 242 00:07:50,510 --> 00:07:52,349 of a one in seven chance, and I know 243 00:07:52,350 --> 00:07:53,829 that's not exactly how statistics 244 00:07:53,830 --> 00:07:55,809 work. Uh, but something like 245 00:07:55,810 --> 00:07:57,649 that. And so you don't move forward. 246 00:07:57,650 --> 00:07:58,969 You don't want to have weakened your 247 00:07:58,970 --> 00:08:00,789 party. You don't want to be giving 248 00:08:00,790 --> 00:08:02,709 Tom Tiffany sort of free fodder for 249 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:03,809 your opponent opponents. 250 00:08:03,810 --> 00:08:05,069 And so I think that we will see a 251 00:08:05,070 --> 00:08:06,729 little bit more maybe of those 252 00:08:06,730 --> 00:08:08,589 veiled attacks, but in 253 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:10,049 a way that's more aimed at sort of, 254 00:08:10,050 --> 00:08:12,089 uh, uh holding themselves up 255 00:08:12,090 --> 00:08:13,629 rather than necessarily going 256 00:08:13,630 --> 00:08:15,569 negative at this point, because 257 00:08:15,570 --> 00:08:17,949 Tom Tiffany, as Rich mentioned, uh 258 00:08:17,950 --> 00:08:19,349 is sort of in a field by himself. 259 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:20,669 He technically has an opponent, but 260 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:22,009 more or less he's the presumptive 261 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:23,549 nominee. And so he's not gonna get 262 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:25,029 weakened in a primary, so they need 263 00:08:25,030 --> 00:08:26,479 to be very careful themselves. 264 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,979 It can't work against you in a 265 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:29,679 primary, particularly a Democratic 266 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,599 primary, to go negative where 267 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,199 you have voters who have kind of 268 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,099 that same idea that like, look, the 269 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:36,879 goal is November. 270 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,918 Stop fighting and show us how you're 271 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:39,919 different. 272 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,239 Rich, anything to jump out at you 273 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,219 there and what Ani was just 274 00:08:43,220 --> 00:08:44,220 mentioning? 275 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,059 Well I wanted to to kind of 276 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:49,279 go back to when when she mentioned 277 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,419 the 278 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:53,739 you know the slights and the 279 00:08:53,740 --> 00:08:55,979 the electability and all that stuff. 280 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:57,499 One of the candidates you know early 281 00:08:57,500 --> 00:08:59,319 on even before he announced 282 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,019 Mandela Barnes former lieutenant 283 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:02,719 governor former state representative 284 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,999 he 285 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,419 during his speech he 286 00:09:07,420 --> 00:09:09,639 let me go back 287 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,379 before he got in the race some 288 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:13,779 Democrats were publicly saying, 289 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:15,679 well, he lost in 2022, 290 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,879 you know, we don't need that again. 291 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,659 But during his speech, I mean, he 292 00:09:19,660 --> 00:09:20,439 brought that up. 293 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,119 And he said, Well, that's why I'm 294 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,019 more experienced. 295 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:24,939 I've been through this came within 296 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:27,199 one point, percentage point of 297 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,519 Ron Johnson in 2022. 298 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,419 That's why have the experience that 299 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:33,139 and the other resume 300 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:34,079 stuff that he's got. 301 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,519 So I just wanted to mention that. 302 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:36,459 Yeah, there was a lot of 303 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:38,159 conversation about electability, 304 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,079 which, again, I think speaks to 305 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,339 trying to signal that they could 306 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:42,959 beat Tom Tiffany in the fall. 307 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,899 And so you had, for example, 308 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:46,659 Fran Hong pointed to the fact that 309 00:09:46,660 --> 00:09:48,639 she's, if not the most far 310 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,179 left candidate, certainly among 311 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:52,119 them, and the fact that some 312 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,759 people have brought that up as a 313 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,799 liability against her. 314 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,159 As passionate as her supporters are, 315 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,379 her opponents are sort of equally 316 00:09:58,380 --> 00:09:59,539 passionate. And she talked about, 317 00:09:59,540 --> 00:10:00,699 well, actually, I am part of a 318 00:10:00,700 --> 00:10:03,059 legacy of Wisconsin progressives 319 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:04,429 who were elected. 320 00:10:04,430 --> 00:10:05,729 So rather than that being a 321 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:06,969 liability for me, that actually 322 00:10:06,970 --> 00:10:08,769 makes me more electable because 323 00:10:08,770 --> 00:10:10,389 people are excited about someone who 324 00:10:10,390 --> 00:10:12,029 doesn't bring BS. 325 00:10:12,030 --> 00:10:14,149 And David Crowley as well, 326 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:15,849 he pointed to the fact that there 327 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:17,769 has never been a 328 00:10:17,770 --> 00:10:19,189 black candidate who has won 329 00:10:19,190 --> 00:10:20,129 statewide office. 330 00:10:20,130 --> 00:10:22,049 And he says that everywhere he goes, 331 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:23,469 people ask him, can a black man 332 00:10:23,470 --> 00:10:24,949 become governor in Wisconsin? 333 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:26,869 And he said, well, I can, for the 334 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:28,489 following reasons. And so he named 335 00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:30,549 that sort of elephant in the room as 336 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:32,129 a way of also drawing attention to 337 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:32,909 his record. 338 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:34,789 And so again, just kind of the way 339 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:35,969 that the candidates are trying to 340 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:37,649 distinguish themselves, not just on 341 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:39,169 their own terms, but also for what 342 00:10:39,170 --> 00:10:41,299 they can deliver in November. 343 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:43,339 And there was a straw 344 00:10:43,340 --> 00:10:45,099 poll at this convention, Anya. 345 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:46,999 And I feel like it's kind of 346 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,799 fun to talk about, but we should say 347 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,699 1,000 grains of salt here for this 348 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:51,879 poll, because this is not a 349 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:52,719 scientific poll. 350 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,739 The margin of error would be, 351 00:10:54,740 --> 00:10:56,119 look, I'm not qualified to calculate 352 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,239 it, very high. 353 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,619 Charles Franklin would have a lot to 354 00:10:58,620 --> 00:10:59,499 say about this one. 355 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:00,779 He would say, don't pay attention to 356 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:02,479 straw polls, would be my guess. 357 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,199 But you had all these Democrats in a 358 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,419 room, and if they wanted to, they 359 00:11:05,420 --> 00:11:07,399 could go to the booth run by Whist 360 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,799 Politics, which does these at all 361 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,719 the conventions. And and you could 362 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,759 vote for your candidate of choice 363 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,839 among the primary field. 364 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,099 And how did that 365 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:17,599 resolve? 366 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,159 Yeah, really interesting. 367 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,479 Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez 368 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,679 came out first. 369 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,639 And again, if Fran Hong is sort of 370 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,719 further to the left, she's a little 371 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,799 bit further to the center. 372 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,359 But then Fran Hong was number two. 373 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,219 And so you kind of have a little bit 374 00:11:29,220 --> 00:11:31,319 of the polls of what the party is 375 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,699 presenting right now. 376 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:34,979 One who might be doing better in 377 00:11:34,980 --> 00:11:36,999 a primary race, again, 378 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,159 given just sort of the excitement 379 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,359 that's around her, that's Fran Hong. 380 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,059 And then one who perhaps could 381 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:42,420 appeal to a broader audience, that 382 00:11:42,421 --> 00:11:44,319 is Sarah Rodriguez, who comes from a 383 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,439 more of a business background. 384 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,779 She was a healthcare executive and a 385 00:11:46,780 --> 00:11:49,039 nurse. She flipped a 386 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,199 Republican seat when she ran for the 387 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,019 assembly in the 388 00:11:52,020 --> 00:11:53,319 Waukesha suburbs. 389 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,119 And so you have these two different 390 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,699 models and it kind of looked like 391 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:58,159 Democrats a little bit split among 392 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,160 them. 393 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,119 So I want to throw some caution at 394 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,079 the poll here, the straw poll. 395 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,899 I was just looking back at the 2018 396 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:08,079 straw poll when you had even 397 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,139 more candidates running for 398 00:12:09,140 --> 00:12:10,759 governor, depending on when you 399 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:11,760 mentioned them. 400 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:14,439 You probably are aware of this by 401 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,379 now or have heard it or seen 402 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:18,359 it recently, but that year, 403 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,639 Kelda Royce won the straw pole. 404 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,099 She went on to finish third in the 405 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:23,539 primary, a distant third, but she 406 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:25,539 won it overwhelmingly at 407 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:26,540 convention. 408 00:12:27,460 --> 00:12:29,159 Do you happen to know where Tony 409 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,760 Evers placed in that straw poll? 410 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,659 This is the beginning of our quiz 411 00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:34,739 section here, guys. 412 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:36,619 Tony Ebers placed third. 413 00:12:36,620 --> 00:12:38,819 He had 91 votes 414 00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:40,799 compared to Keldroys, 184 415 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,179 that year. 416 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:44,459 Right behind him were Andy 417 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:46,379 Gronick and Dana 418 00:12:46,380 --> 00:12:47,479 Wachs. 419 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,799 They have something in common. 420 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,379 They both dropped out of the race by 421 00:12:50,380 --> 00:12:52,239 the end of June that year, so the 422 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,159 convention was in June 2nd, I think, 423 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,519 and they were dropped out by the 424 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:56,689 21st. 425 00:12:56,690 --> 00:12:57,769 20 seconds, so. 426 00:12:57,770 --> 00:12:59,469 Right, so again, appealing to quote 427 00:12:59,470 --> 00:13:00,929 unquote normal people versus 428 00:13:00,930 --> 00:13:03,269 appealing to the most kind of 429 00:13:03,270 --> 00:13:05,089 revved up Democrats who follow every 430 00:13:05,090 --> 00:13:06,409 kind of twist and turn about that. 431 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:07,649 So it doesn't necessarily translate 432 00:13:07,650 --> 00:13:09,209 to what a general voter or general 433 00:13:09,210 --> 00:13:11,179 audience is interested in. 434 00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:13,039 And there's also a certain amount 435 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,999 of campaigning you can do 436 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,199 in the room with these things. 437 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,980 You can say, hey, 438 00:13:19,060 --> 00:13:21,039 get over to that desk that's run by 439 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,579 Wisp Politics and I think you should 440 00:13:22,580 --> 00:13:23,419 really vote for us. 441 00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:24,199 You can bring your people along. 442 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,099 Bring your people. 443 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:25,919 Absolutely. 444 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,299 And I'm sure some of that went on at 445 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:28,300 this convention. 446 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,120 So okay. 447 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,339 I did want to play a little game 448 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:34,559 with you two since we 449 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:35,659 have you here. 450 00:13:35,660 --> 00:13:37,209 Would that be okay? 451 00:13:37,210 --> 00:13:38,889 All right, sure ready 452 00:13:38,890 --> 00:13:40,069 You have no choice, right? 453 00:13:40,070 --> 00:13:42,149 We're recording a live show here. 454 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:44,029 So I was just looking back 455 00:13:44,030 --> 00:13:45,409 through these speeches and through 456 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:47,429 the benefit of being 457 00:13:47,430 --> 00:13:49,549 able to look at the transcript 458 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:51,289 and the number of times that certain 459 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:53,029 words were mentioned in these 460 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:54,929 things, you can see 461 00:13:54,930 --> 00:13:57,029 kind of who hit themes really hard. 462 00:13:58,890 --> 00:14:00,149 So the first one I looked for was 463 00:14:00,150 --> 00:14:01,229 Trump. 464 00:14:01,230 --> 00:14:03,429 Who said Trump the most? 465 00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:05,469 Anybody want to hazard a guess? 466 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:06,470 Rich, you go first. 467 00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:10,619 I'm gonna say... 468 00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:14,279 Might have been Joel Brennan 469 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,879 All right, all right. 470 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,779 Rich, you win, 471 00:14:17,780 --> 00:14:19,339 buddy. You got Sarah Rodriguez and 472 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:20,879 Mandela Barnes are right up at the 473 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,799 top there. Mentioned him six times. 474 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,419 Joel Brennan after them. 475 00:14:25,420 --> 00:14:26,519 And then everybody mentioned Trump 476 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,099 at least once. 477 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:30,059 But Rodriguez and Barnes, 478 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:32,379 kind of hitting to my ear similar 479 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:34,059 themes in those messages, too. 480 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:35,979 They sounded like maybe they were 481 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:37,299 running a little bit of a November 482 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:39,359 campaign or a 483 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,159 safer message in their speeches. 484 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,119 Okay, how about... 485 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,979 Tiffany and that 486 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:47,139 to be clear nobody mentioned the 487 00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:48,939 Truman Capote book that was adapted 488 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:50,639 into a movie and later You know 489 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,499 celebrated in a song who mentioned 490 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:54,539 Tiffany Tom Tiffany the most 491 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,139 Gosh, I'm just stuck on that dad 492 00:14:59,140 --> 00:15:00,459 joke now. 493 00:15:00,460 --> 00:15:02,259 I was, I'm proud of that one, you 494 00:15:02,260 --> 00:15:03,299 know. 495 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:04,959 That song, by the way, in my head 496 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,399 all the time. And I hated it when it 497 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,719 came out, but the beauty of 498 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:08,279 nostalgia. 499 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,719 Although I'm 500 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,619 gonna vote Roy's well 501 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:13,959 if for this there you go. 502 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,960 There you go 503 00:15:15,630 --> 00:15:17,009 We gotcha. 504 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:18,609 Kel DeRoy's, how about you? 505 00:15:18,610 --> 00:15:19,830 Who mentioned Tiffany the most? 506 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,519 Uh, Mr. Hughes. 507 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,299 All right, good, good guesses. 508 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:27,679 Everybody. Sarah Rodriguez was, uh, 509 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,879 tops and Tiffany mentions, uh 510 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,119 followed by Joel Brennan, Mandel 511 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,819 Barnes and Keldroys mentioned. 512 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:34,239 And once David Crowley, Missy Hughes 513 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,479 and Francesca Hong didn't even 514 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,399 mention Tom Tiffany in this thing. 515 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,239 Was I there at all? 516 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,019 It was kind of interesting. 517 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:40,539 No, I mean, I think it's, it's the 518 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:41,539 kind of thing you assume that you 519 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:43,199 heard a bunch of people say, and 520 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,219 then you can go back and look and 521 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:45,499 realize, well, they didn't actually 522 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,379 mention that specific guy. 523 00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:49,499 I have, I predict whoever wins this 524 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:50,759 primary though, will mention him a 525 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,159 lot in TV as between now and 526 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,160 November. 527 00:15:53,489 --> 00:15:54,669 Okay, how about this? 528 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:56,429 We've got a Democratic governor 529 00:15:56,430 --> 00:15:58,329 right now, and a lot of these 530 00:15:58,330 --> 00:16:00,089 people have worked with or for this 531 00:16:00,090 --> 00:16:01,889 Democratic governor. 532 00:16:01,890 --> 00:16:03,189 Who do you think might have 533 00:16:03,190 --> 00:16:05,429 mentioned Evers a few times? 534 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:06,710 Rich, what do you thing? 535 00:16:09,540 --> 00:16:11,459 Well, I would say it'd 536 00:16:11,460 --> 00:16:12,599 have to be someone that worked 537 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,659 within the administration or 538 00:16:14,660 --> 00:16:16,679 alongside them. 539 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,519 So that narrows it down to 540 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,359 four people, I wouldn't 541 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,579 say Brennan. 542 00:16:21,580 --> 00:16:22,799 Yeah. Okay. 543 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:22,999 Anya? 544 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,899 I think it was also Brennan, he also 545 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:26,499 made a point of saying, fix the darn 546 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:28,479 road, he seemed to be really 547 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:29,919 tying himself to the heavers. 548 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,759 It was Mandela Barnes, Tony 549 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,039 Evers' former lieutenant governor, 550 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,399 followed by Joel Brennan, his former 551 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,259 DOE secretary, followed by Sarah 552 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:37,579 Rodriguez, his current lieutenant 553 00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:39,219 governor and Missy Hughes, his 554 00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:41,899 former WEDEC CEO. 555 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:43,159 No mention of Tony Eivers by 556 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,739 Francesca Hong, Kel DeRoy or David 557 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:46,019 Crowley. 558 00:16:46,020 --> 00:16:47,639 So Tony Eover's back there taking 559 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:48,979 notes. Like, I see you. 560 00:16:48,980 --> 00:16:50,219 I see. OK, one more. 561 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:51,499 One more, I promise. 562 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:52,759 And this is a little different. 563 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,359 You got a chance at this convention 564 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,079 to differentiate yourself. 565 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,539 One way is you can just tell these 566 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:59,859 delegates, I'm different. 567 00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:02,099 Who said only candidate 568 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,118 as in I'm I'm the only candidate. 569 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,019 Oh, I know this one. 570 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:05,599 Okay, let's hear 571 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,059 Fran Hong said I am the only 572 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,059 candidate who proposes a moratorium 573 00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:09,789 on data centers. 574 00:17:09,790 --> 00:17:11,909 And free childcare. 575 00:17:11,910 --> 00:17:13,549 And you are correct, Anya. 576 00:17:13,550 --> 00:17:15,409 She mentioned it four 577 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:16,509 times. 578 00:17:16,510 --> 00:17:19,429 This was interesting to me, Rich. 579 00:17:19,430 --> 00:17:20,348 Kel DeRoyce was there. 580 00:17:20,349 --> 00:17:22,469 She mentioned a couple times. 581 00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:24,328 Her message was, 582 00:17:24,329 --> 00:17:25,568 I'm the only candidate who's been a 583 00:17:25,569 --> 00:17:27,449 legislator. I got bills, 584 00:17:27,450 --> 00:17:28,649 is basically what she was saying. 585 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:30,249 And then David Crowley, the only 586 00:17:30,250 --> 00:17:31,769 candidate who has executive 587 00:17:31,770 --> 00:17:33,469 experience. And nobody else used 588 00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:34,470 that turn of phrase. 589 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:37,099 Big grain of salt for that one too, 590 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:39,019 which is very unscientific, but 591 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:40,479 I find it fun to run through that 592 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,480 stuff. 593 00:17:42,929 --> 00:17:44,509 Unscientific, but you probably made 594 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:45,929 a spreadsheet. I did make a 595 00:17:45,930 --> 00:17:46,279 spreadsheet 596 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,379 You're doing right. 597 00:17:47,380 --> 00:17:48,639 Yeah, it made it a lot easier for me 598 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:49,880 to list those things real quick. 599 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:52,959 So we want to move on real quick to 600 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,279 some legal developments this week. 601 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,419 A few small legal developments in 602 00:17:57,420 --> 00:17:58,639 big cases. 603 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,459 Rich, first, let's start with there 604 00:18:00,460 --> 00:18:02,759 was this decision by the 605 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,659 state Supreme Court to hear an 606 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:07,079 appeal in a redistricting case, 607 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,319 congressional redistricting, case. 608 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,579 Is this a big deal or 609 00:18:10,580 --> 00:18:11,580 an incremental step? 610 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,339 It's pretty incremental. 611 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:16,959 So these are about the congressional 612 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,539 maps. There's two of them that have 613 00:18:18,540 --> 00:18:20,999 been two of these appeals of 614 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,159 these cases challenging the 615 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,679 congressional map as gerrymandered 616 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,679 for various reasons, various 617 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,399 types of gerrymandering. 618 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,299 And it sounds exciting that 619 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:32,679 it's made it to the Supreme Court, 620 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,159 but all they're doing in both 621 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,099 situations is they will 622 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,939 be deciding whether or not these 623 00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:39,939 three judge panels they appointed 624 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:41,799 were correct in 625 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,649 how they dismissed these 626 00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:44,909 challenges and those panels 627 00:18:44,910 --> 00:18:46,829 essentially said they 628 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:48,149 dismiss them because they don't have 629 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:49,969 the authority to overturn the 630 00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:52,069 maps which were put 631 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:53,889 in place by the supreme court and a 632 00:18:53,890 --> 00:18:55,809 lower court cannot overrule a 633 00:18:55,810 --> 00:18:57,929 higher court like that so 634 00:18:57,930 --> 00:18:59,989 what i've been told is that that 635 00:18:59,990 --> 00:19:02,109 probably means these will go back 636 00:19:02,110 --> 00:19:03,789 through the court system back to the 637 00:19:03,790 --> 00:19:04,929 lower courts and work their way up 638 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:06,709 but the supreme court justices will 639 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:08,889 have to decide whether or not these 640 00:19:08,890 --> 00:19:10,889 gerrymandering claims can even move 641 00:19:10,890 --> 00:19:11,890 forward. 642 00:19:11,970 --> 00:19:14,489 Um, so that's a big question, 643 00:19:14,490 --> 00:19:15,889 but in short, it doesn't mean 644 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:17,789 there's, it likely doesn't mean that 645 00:19:17,790 --> 00:19:19,209 there's going to be any new map 646 00:19:19,210 --> 00:19:20,809 before the 2026 election. 647 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:21,869 There's just not enough time. 648 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:23,570 Okay, and lightning round here, you 649 00:19:23,571 --> 00:19:25,549 had a case you covered on voter 650 00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:26,550 rolls. What happened there? 651 00:19:28,420 --> 00:19:29,859 So the federal government, the 652 00:19:29,860 --> 00:19:31,379 Department of Justice, wants to get 653 00:19:31,380 --> 00:19:33,439 unredacted voter registration 654 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,639 information from Wisconsin, 655 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,299 and that includes, you know, 656 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:40,219 driver's license numbers and Social 657 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:41,479 Security numbers, the last four 658 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:42,759 digits. 659 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,339 The elections commission hasn't 660 00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:46,159 provided that. 661 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,279 They've given a different list 662 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,259 that's publicly available, but 663 00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:51,279 essentially the case was dismissed 664 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,599 last month in federal court. 665 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,399 It's being appealed. 666 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,339 The DOJ is appealing it to 667 00:19:56,340 --> 00:19:58,099 the 7th circuit. 668 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:00,139 But again 669 00:20:00,140 --> 00:20:02,299 It will take a while and 670 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:03,799 there's been other examples of this 671 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,699 around the nation where the DOJ has 672 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:06,829 been losing these cases 673 00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:08,229 One of those we'll have to keep an 674 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:10,069 eye on. And then Anya, the false 675 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:12,329 electors case in Wisconsin, 676 00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:13,279 what happened there? 677 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,279 They pleaded not guilty 678 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,359 to 11 counts of felony 679 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,199 forgery, including Wisconsin's 680 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,359 own Jim Troupis. 681 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:21,879 He's also trying to get the case 682 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,139 moved out of Dane County Circuit 683 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:25,039 Court, and so that case continues 684 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:25,629 to unfold. 685 00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:26,849 All right, thank you both for 686 00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:27,989 keeping an eye on those. 687 00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:29,029 That's all the time we have for 688 00:20:29,030 --> 00:20:30,689 today. Thanks for joining us. 689 00:20:30,690 --> 00:20:31,989 Our colleague, Zach Schultz, will be 690 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:33,589 back in a few weeks. 691 00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:34,869 This has been Inside Wisconsin 692 00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:36,549 Politics. Be sure to follow us on 693 00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:38,909 PBSWisconsin.org, WPR.org 694 00:20:38,910 --> 00:20:40,849 YouTube, or wherever you get your 695 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:41,850 podcasts. 696 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:54,690 I think that's it.