1 00:00:23,860 --> 00:00:25,079 It's been a week since the budget 2 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:26,699 surplus deal fell apart at the 3 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:28,159 Capitol, and we're still making 4 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,819 sense of the fallout. 5 00:00:29,820 --> 00:00:31,179 Today, we talk about how it's 6 00:00:31,180 --> 00:00:32,599 playing out in the governor's race, 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,059 more insight on the talks that 8 00:00:34,060 --> 00:00:35,939 failed, and more information about 9 00:00:35,940 --> 00:00:37,339 what it would mean for the state's 10 00:00:37,340 --> 00:00:38,259 bottom line. 11 00:00:38,260 --> 00:00:40,420 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 12 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:46,179 I'm Sean Johnson here with my 13 00:00:46,180 --> 00:00:48,059 colleagues, Anya Ben-Wagtendonk and 14 00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:49,459 Zach Schultz. Hey, you two. 15 00:00:49,460 --> 00:00:50,579 Hello. 16 00:00:50,580 --> 00:00:52,519 So Zach, we pretty much ran 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,959 out of time last week talking about 18 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,359 this deal because there are so many 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,839 facets to it and so many players, 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,219 so many motivations to discuss. 21 00:01:00,220 --> 00:01:02,059 We barely touched on 22 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:03,399 part of it, which is how it's being 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,018 received in the Democratic primary 24 00:01:05,019 --> 00:01:06,459 for governor, which is just as well 25 00:01:06,460 --> 00:01:07,779 because we've had more reactions 26 00:01:07,780 --> 00:01:09,679 since that show and since 27 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,379 the deal fell apart. 28 00:01:11,380 --> 00:01:12,949 I guess if you had to sum it up. 29 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:15,209 This big Democratic primary, 30 00:01:15,210 --> 00:01:17,089 how are the candidates dealing with 31 00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:18,829 this big deal that they weren't 32 00:01:18,830 --> 00:01:20,659 really expecting to come along? 33 00:01:20,660 --> 00:01:21,779 Well, it was interesting to watch 34 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:23,799 the reactions as it was unfolding, 35 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,219 when I think most people probably 36 00:01:25,220 --> 00:01:27,099 thought this was going to pass. 37 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:29,059 In the days leading up to it, 38 00:01:29,060 --> 00:01:30,899 we saw kind of, I saw three 39 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:32,059 different responses. 40 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:34,079 There were two very clear no's 41 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,159 from Francesca and 42 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,839 Hong and from Kaldivroys, both 43 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,959 running in a more progressive 44 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,359 stance. The two only that actually 45 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,859 got to vote on this because they're 46 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:43,439 still in the legislature. 47 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,199 Then we saw Missy Hughes come out 48 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,799 absolutely all for it. 49 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,659 One of the only ones to to say 50 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:49,919 this is a good deal and it makes 51 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,639 sense to try and get this done. 52 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,419 Perhaps a way to try to give herself 53 00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:55,039 a little attention in a crowded race 54 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,259 where everyone's trying to struggle 55 00:01:56,260 --> 00:01:57,199 for oxygen. 56 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,619 And then we saw kind of a muddled 57 00:01:58,620 --> 00:02:00,559 middle of a lot of candidates that 58 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,739 really were like, I really don't 59 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:03,259 like the process and this may not be 60 00:02:03,260 --> 00:02:04,699 the best deal, but it was clear they 61 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:06,579 were not ready to come out against 62 00:02:06,580 --> 00:02:08,399 it. And that it failed. 63 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,279 And then the knives started coming 64 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,719 out afterwards. And what we've seen 65 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,499 since then has been different, but 66 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:15,059 it felt like those lanes were kind 67 00:02:15,060 --> 00:02:16,519 of decided. 68 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,259 In the lead up to it and then 69 00:02:18,260 --> 00:02:19,679 afterwards they exposed a little 70 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,079 more of how they were feeling about 71 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,459 it and who they were ready to blame 72 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:24,159 more specifically for how it weighed 73 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:24,889 apart. 74 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:26,789 Anya, how are you processing this, 75 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:29,469 you know, I guess 76 00:02:29,470 --> 00:02:31,309 variety of reactions all coming from 77 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:32,229 these candidates at once? 78 00:02:32,230 --> 00:02:33,329 Yeah, well, in some ways, I think 79 00:02:33,330 --> 00:02:35,029 the bill was an election year 80 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:36,689 messaging tool anyways, right? 81 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:38,449 For the people who negotiated it. 82 00:02:38,450 --> 00:02:39,749 And so all of a sudden it presented 83 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:41,669 an opportunity for people in this 84 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:43,549 crowded primary who are not 85 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:44,909 really all that distinguished. 86 00:02:44,910 --> 00:02:46,469 I still run into people who do not 87 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:47,789 know that there is a governor's race 88 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:49,089 this year, right? 89 00:02:49,090 --> 00:02:50,109 So this is the way. 90 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:51,069 It's May. 91 00:02:51,070 --> 00:02:52,609 And most people are not watching our 92 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:53,469 show apparently. 93 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:55,229 They will. But they'll start. 94 00:02:55,230 --> 00:02:57,409 Yeah. But so this is an opportunity 95 00:02:57,410 --> 00:02:58,949 for those Democrats to try to 96 00:02:58,950 --> 00:03:00,569 message around. 97 00:03:00,570 --> 00:03:02,169 School funding, property taxes, 98 00:03:02,170 --> 00:03:03,449 these really big election year 99 00:03:03,450 --> 00:03:05,389 issues, and to try to stand 100 00:03:05,390 --> 00:03:06,529 out a little bit. 101 00:03:06,530 --> 00:03:07,769 Yeah, talk about trying to stand 102 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:09,849 out. There are sort of degrees of 103 00:03:09,850 --> 00:03:11,629 no and degrees of yes. 104 00:03:11,630 --> 00:03:12,669 Like on degrees of, no. 105 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:14,509 Kelda Royce, I think we were just 106 00:03:14,510 --> 00:03:16,769 checking out our emails and she 107 00:03:16,770 --> 00:03:18,669 came out against this deal 108 00:03:18,670 --> 00:03:20,829 in less than two hours after 109 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:22,449 it was made public. 110 00:03:22,450 --> 00:03:23,669 So there's somebody who's trying to 111 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:25,569 let people know, I'm definitely 112 00:03:25,570 --> 00:03:26,869 against this. And she's got a vote 113 00:03:26,870 --> 00:03:27,789 on it one way or another. 114 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:29,049 So might as well take a position. 115 00:03:29,050 --> 00:03:31,459 Francesca Hong, the same day. 116 00:03:31,460 --> 00:03:32,719 And then you've got the candidates, 117 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,599 as you alluded to, Joel Brennan, who 118 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,039 worked for Tony Evers, saying, I 119 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,879 didn't like the process. 120 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,379 And then some, I don't know exactly 121 00:03:39,380 --> 00:03:41,119 where they stand on the deal, where 122 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,299 they're just basically saying, 123 00:03:44,340 --> 00:03:45,960 if it failed, we gotta move on. 124 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:49,619 Why would they give such a 125 00:03:49,620 --> 00:03:51,359 muddled answer, as you call it, why 126 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,479 not take a position on this thing? 127 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,999 I think because there was a lot to 128 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,339 lose, not knowing how it was going 129 00:03:56,340 --> 00:03:57,599 to come out. 130 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,339 Most of these people were not 131 00:03:59,340 --> 00:04:00,839 involved in any discussions. 132 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,439 They probably did not know that they 133 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,419 were even happening at this time. 134 00:04:04,420 --> 00:04:06,239 And I think it probably 135 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,639 was true that Kelda may not have 136 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,459 known they were happening, given how 137 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:10,839 quickly she responded. 138 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,999 It may have known that, hey, 139 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,299 Senate Dems were not in the loop, 140 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:15,579 which is ultimately what killed 141 00:04:15,580 --> 00:04:17,439 this. And she had the most 142 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,099 distinct opportunity to put her 143 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,018 stamp on this entire process. 144 00:04:21,019 --> 00:04:22,399 Because no matter what, she was the 145 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:23,939 only one that was in the chamber 146 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:25,899 where it could have passed that said 147 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:27,879 no, that was not the deciding 148 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,819 vote, but deciding vote 149 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:31,479 adjacent in terms of being able to 150 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,379 say, this is going down, I will not 151 00:04:33,380 --> 00:04:34,899 vote for it, and I stand with the 152 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:36,239 rest of my colleagues. 153 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,459 So there were definitely a lot of 154 00:04:37,460 --> 00:04:38,879 things to be gained for some of 155 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,559 those people in being very clear, 156 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,939 and there's a lot to lose. 157 00:04:41,940 --> 00:04:43,039 And so some of that is just the 158 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,039 approach that some of these candidates 159 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,239 have taken in this primary is. 160 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,179 Cautious front runner or assumed 161 00:04:48,180 --> 00:04:49,999 front runner and how close are 162 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,139 they to Governor Evers to begin 163 00:04:51,140 --> 00:04:52,399 with? We've got multiple people 164 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,999 who've worked in his staff, two 165 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,899 lieutenant governors, 166 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:57,119 and then other people that are not 167 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,579 close to the Evers administration at 168 00:04:58,580 --> 00:04:59,819 all. So they can be a little more 169 00:04:59,820 --> 00:05:02,279 freewheeling. They're not hoping for 170 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:04,139 if they win a primary, come 171 00:05:04,140 --> 00:05:06,559 close, if Evers bestowing any 172 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,919 blessings upon them at the last 173 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,549 minute, they can be farther apart. 174 00:05:09,550 --> 00:05:11,449 Yeah, he has said repeatedly he's 175 00:05:11,450 --> 00:05:13,289 not going to endorse in this 176 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:16,209 campaign and he seems like 177 00:05:16,210 --> 00:05:17,969 unhappy with the candidates 178 00:05:17,970 --> 00:05:19,929 increasingly, especially as 179 00:05:19,930 --> 00:05:21,809 they kind of trash his deal 180 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:24,109 as they did this time around. 181 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:25,949 I think what strikes me is that 182 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:27,049 these candidates set out this 183 00:05:27,050 --> 00:05:28,969 campaign, and they had a plan. 184 00:05:28,970 --> 00:05:30,649 They want to talk about certain 185 00:05:30,650 --> 00:05:31,949 messages. They want talk about 186 00:05:31,950 --> 00:05:33,589 Donald Trump. They wanted to find 187 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:36,299 themselves on their terms and 188 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:38,299 When the governor negotiates 189 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:39,519 an agreement with Republican 190 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,359 leaders, it kind of 191 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,499 throws a wrench in those plans, 192 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:43,019 doesn't it? 193 00:05:43,020 --> 00:05:44,579 Well, Ray, I mean, there's sort of 194 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:46,179 policy and issues and then there's 195 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:48,699 politics. And this was a political 196 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:49,499 week, right? 197 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:50,599 This was all about these 198 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,579 negotiations and kind of the 199 00:05:52,580 --> 00:05:54,519 powerful, the negotiations 200 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,059 of power that were taking place. 201 00:05:56,060 --> 00:05:57,539 And so that's really different than 202 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:59,419 the issue of property taxes, 203 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:01,339 which nobody is going to go on 204 00:06:01,340 --> 00:06:02,639 record supporting high property 205 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,419 taxes. 206 00:06:03,420 --> 00:06:04,479 Nobody, especially in the Democratic 207 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,919 Party, is going to go in record not 208 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,919 wanting to fully fund public 209 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,029 schools. And so how do you kind of. 210 00:06:10,030 --> 00:06:12,109 Take a stance that allows you to 211 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:13,909 be on sort of the right side of that 212 00:06:13,910 --> 00:06:15,749 politically, while then also 213 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:17,829 taking part in the political 214 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:19,049 maneuverings in the capital, which 215 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:20,969 again, like normal people don't 216 00:06:20,970 --> 00:06:22,649 follow, don't really understand. 217 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:24,189 They're just going to see what's on 218 00:06:24,190 --> 00:06:25,529 their mailers in a couple of months 219 00:06:25,530 --> 00:06:27,449 saying voted for or against 220 00:06:27,450 --> 00:06:29,269 money in your pocket or money 221 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:30,729 for your schools. And so that's a 222 00:06:30,730 --> 00:06:32,409 really kind of complicated dance to 223 00:06:32,410 --> 00:06:33,430 be doing right now. 224 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:36,769 Do you think that coming 225 00:06:36,770 --> 00:06:38,369 out in favor of the deal, as Missy 226 00:06:38,370 --> 00:06:40,269 Hughes did, for example, is 227 00:06:40,270 --> 00:06:41,569 gonna help you stand out in this 228 00:06:41,570 --> 00:06:43,469 crowded primary in a 229 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:45,329 time when people are not necessarily 230 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:47,039 paying attention to this race? 231 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,439 Well, I will say this is probably 232 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,399 the only time that we've talked 233 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:50,659 about Missy Hughes and said her name 234 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:52,319 more than once in a podcast. 235 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,979 And for someone who has been polling 236 00:06:53,980 --> 00:06:55,939 in the low single digits, 237 00:06:55,940 --> 00:06:57,019 that matters. 238 00:06:57,020 --> 00:06:58,739 Not that we're going to sway the 239 00:06:58,740 --> 00:07:00,659 voting public, but getting your name 240 00:07:00,660 --> 00:07:02,899 out and taking a stance, I think, 241 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:04,719 was a move for her to say, no, I'll 242 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,779 stand up for something, as opposed 243 00:07:06,780 --> 00:07:08,499 to David Crowley, whose name we 244 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:09,539 haven't mentioned yet. He's running 245 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:11,089 right in the middle of that primary. 246 00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:12,749 We saw the releases he put out about 247 00:07:12,750 --> 00:07:14,629 this bill before and after, and I 248 00:07:14,630 --> 00:07:16,369 still don't know 100% whether he 249 00:07:16,370 --> 00:07:17,589 liked it or didn't like it, or was 250 00:07:17,590 --> 00:07:19,129 just kind of sitting in the middle 251 00:07:19,130 --> 00:07:20,189 on it. 252 00:07:20,190 --> 00:07:21,329 But Sean, I want to ask you about 253 00:07:21,330 --> 00:07:22,689 the money thing, because we've seen 254 00:07:22,690 --> 00:07:23,829 the legislative fiscal bureau 255 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:25,109 numbers. That was something that the 256 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:27,069 Democrats put out there right away 257 00:07:27,070 --> 00:07:28,929 saying this was unsustainable, 258 00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:30,549 it wasn't real money, it would have 259 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:32,369 set us up for a really bad budget. 260 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:34,149 How much do you think played that 261 00:07:34,150 --> 00:07:36,249 worked at the time for them versus 262 00:07:36,250 --> 00:07:38,089 how much was it a convenient excuse 263 00:07:38,090 --> 00:07:39,229 for them afterwards when they 264 00:07:39,230 --> 00:07:41,309 really. Voted it down because of 265 00:07:41,310 --> 00:07:42,589 power maneuvers. 266 00:07:42,590 --> 00:07:44,189 Oh, it could be a mix of both. 267 00:07:44,190 --> 00:07:46,089 I mean, if you look at the 268 00:07:46,090 --> 00:07:47,749 fiscal bureau numbers, which Anya 269 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:49,529 did a great story on yesterday, 270 00:07:50,610 --> 00:07:53,649 that's a pretty real concern. 271 00:07:53,650 --> 00:07:55,069 Whether or not that was their 272 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:56,989 primary concern for voting this 273 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:58,389 thing down or what political 274 00:07:58,390 --> 00:08:00,229 calculations they made. 275 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:01,449 I think when you're looking at a 276 00:08:01,450 --> 00:08:04,089 2.95 billion 277 00:08:04,090 --> 00:08:05,929 projected budget deficit at 278 00:08:05,930 --> 00:08:07,449 the end of the next two-year budget, 279 00:08:07,450 --> 00:08:08,569 not the one we're in now, but the 280 00:08:08,570 --> 00:08:09,570 one after. 281 00:08:10,420 --> 00:08:12,439 That feels real to me, Anya, I mean, 282 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,589 just looking through those numbers. 283 00:08:13,590 --> 00:08:15,069 Right. And, you know, the sort of 284 00:08:15,070 --> 00:08:17,009 important caveat is that that number 285 00:08:17,010 --> 00:08:18,329 from the legislative fiscal bureau 286 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:19,769 doesn't take into account the fact 287 00:08:19,770 --> 00:08:21,229 that we are in a period of sort of 288 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:22,709 remarkable economic uncertainty 289 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:24,529 right now. And so it says that we 290 00:08:24,530 --> 00:08:26,069 would have that deficit, that sort 291 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:27,149 of almost three billion dollar 292 00:08:27,150 --> 00:08:29,029 deficit, were this to have passed. 293 00:08:29,030 --> 00:08:30,369 And that's not accounting for 294 00:08:30,370 --> 00:08:32,329 potential changes to tax revenue, 295 00:08:32,330 --> 00:08:33,829 to the fact, that there's like a war 296 00:08:33,830 --> 00:08:35,189 going on right now that is affecting 297 00:08:35,190 --> 00:08:36,889 oil and gas prices, all these 298 00:08:36,890 --> 00:08:38,769 different things. And from all of 299 00:08:38,770 --> 00:08:40,029 the Democrats who voted against it, 300 00:08:40,030 --> 00:08:41,428 and then also from the Republicans 301 00:08:41,429 --> 00:08:42,769 who voted against it, there was this 302 00:08:42,770 --> 00:08:43,558 concern about... 303 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,399 The cost of this thing, which 304 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,379 was kind of nebulous. 305 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:47,659 And so even with those kind of 306 00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:48,660 firmer numbers, 307 00:08:49,620 --> 00:08:51,439 it justifies, I think, what some 308 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,619 of those lawmakers were saying on 309 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:53,999 the floor, but it also kind of 310 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,579 points to this, again, 311 00:08:56,580 --> 00:08:57,819 political games and ship that we 312 00:08:57,820 --> 00:08:59,619 often see when it comes to 313 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:02,059 appropriations, which is what is 314 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:03,279 our money for? What is our state 315 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,839 surplus for? Is it for things like 316 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,399 this? Is it to have kind of in our 317 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:07,239 back pockets? 318 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,359 And so that was really the 319 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,360 contours of the fight. 320 00:09:11,690 --> 00:09:13,549 Candidates come into office and they 321 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:15,249 want to do things. 322 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:17,149 And they can just imagine how 323 00:09:17,150 --> 00:09:18,749 nice it would be to do things if 324 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:21,129 everything goes their way in 325 00:09:21,130 --> 00:09:23,049 2027 and their 326 00:09:23,050 --> 00:09:24,389 party was in control of the Senate 327 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:26,149 and who knows what else. 328 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:27,969 And so probably they 329 00:09:27,970 --> 00:09:29,509 would like that money to spend on 330 00:09:29,510 --> 00:09:30,809 their priorities and don't want to 331 00:09:30,810 --> 00:09:32,429 come into that situation running a 332 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:33,430 deficit. 333 00:09:33,870 --> 00:09:35,689 So, you know, people become more 334 00:09:35,690 --> 00:09:37,089 budget hawks kind of depending on 335 00:09:37,090 --> 00:09:38,369 the circumstances, I think from time 336 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:39,370 to time. 337 00:09:40,060 --> 00:09:41,439 I will say one thing that stood out 338 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,519 to me this week is Tony Evers did 339 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,419 an interview with WISN 340 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:47,399 TV where, and we 341 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,179 alluded to this a bit last week in 342 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:50,879 terms of the way that the governor 343 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,659 kind of pursued these negotiations, 344 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:54,659 but he was straight up asked if 345 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:56,479 he sought out democratic 346 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,139 votes on this bill. 347 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:00,099 And he said, no. 348 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:01,719 Zach, how do you do that in the 349 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,699 Senate given the, you know, 350 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:05,319 political breakdown there? 351 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,759 I mean, I would call it political 352 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,819 malpractice in the sense that anyone 353 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:10,719 who looks at that, apparently he 354 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,259 was told that he had the Republican 355 00:10:12,260 --> 00:10:13,479 votes alone to pass it in that 356 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:14,279 chamber. 357 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,959 One, it's surprising that he would 358 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,739 count just on those, but especially 359 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:19,779 given the two senators that we've 360 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:21,259 talked about repeatedly in that 361 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:22,419 Chamber that have voted against 362 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:23,579 every one of these proposals, 363 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:26,079 including the last three budgets and 364 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,719 Senators Nass and Capega. 365 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,819 Nass is leaving. 366 00:10:28,820 --> 00:10:29,899 We talked about him last week. 367 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:31,259 There's no way he's going to be a 368 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:32,079 yes vote on this. 369 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,619 No one would I would never believe 370 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:35,209 that. I don't care who you're 371 00:10:35,210 --> 00:10:36,869 talking to, but then that assumes 372 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:38,169 that you're going to get Kappenka as 373 00:10:38,170 --> 00:10:39,669 well. And not to count Senator 374 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:41,329 Hutton, who's also leaving the 375 00:10:41,330 --> 00:10:43,229 chamber, who voted no in the end. 376 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:44,369 I think they thought maybe more 377 00:10:44,370 --> 00:10:45,489 likely they could have gotten him, 378 00:10:45,490 --> 00:10:46,829 but Kappnka's been a no in last 379 00:10:46,830 --> 00:10:47,989 couple of budgets. 380 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:50,509 So those are really big assumptions 381 00:10:50,510 --> 00:10:52,629 at a time when you have Democrats 382 00:10:52,630 --> 00:10:54,349 over there. Why not reach out and 383 00:10:54,350 --> 00:10:56,189 say, hey, if we need you, will you 384 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:57,589 be there? Because we mentioned a 385 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:59,729 couple of names for Democrats, 386 00:10:59,730 --> 00:11:00,829 vulnerable Democrats that for 387 00:11:00,830 --> 00:11:02,029 election this session, and Jeff 388 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:03,639 Smith, and Why would you not reach 389 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,979 out and say, hey, can we count on 390 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:06,139 you if we need to? 391 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:07,299 You don't even have to necessarily 392 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:08,659 offer them anything, but clue them 393 00:11:08,660 --> 00:11:09,699 in and make them feel like they're 394 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:10,739 part of the team. 395 00:11:10,740 --> 00:11:12,499 So the fact that he said he didn't, 396 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:14,568 it seems really strange. 397 00:11:14,569 --> 00:11:16,309 Very shaky ground to go into 398 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:18,229 negotiations, counting 399 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:20,129 on one of those two lawmakers you 400 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:22,069 just mentioned to vote for 401 00:11:22,070 --> 00:11:23,509 your deal. 402 00:11:23,510 --> 00:11:25,449 We did get a question from 403 00:11:25,450 --> 00:11:27,209 someone in our audience that feels 404 00:11:27,210 --> 00:11:28,709 timely right now. 405 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:30,509 This came from a student at the 406 00:11:30,510 --> 00:11:31,989 University of Wisconsin Lacrosse 407 00:11:31,990 --> 00:11:33,569 where they watch our show in their 408 00:11:33,570 --> 00:11:35,189 legislative process class. 409 00:11:35,190 --> 00:11:37,109 Here's her question about special 410 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:38,110 sessions. 411 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:40,659 My name is Katie Walke, and I'm 412 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:41,999 studying political science at 413 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,299 UW-Lacoste. 414 00:11:43,300 --> 00:11:44,959 My question is, why have there been 415 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,619 so many special sessions called by 416 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:48,399 Governor Evers, and does this trend 417 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,739 signal breakdown in normal 418 00:11:49,740 --> 00:11:51,559 legislative compromise, or is it 419 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:53,379 simply a strategic political tool? 420 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:56,149 All right, well, we have all covered 421 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:58,369 our share of special sessions now. 422 00:11:58,370 --> 00:12:00,089 And so let's all just chime in on 423 00:12:00,090 --> 00:12:02,269 this. But Anya, you first. 424 00:12:02,270 --> 00:12:03,269 How would you answer this question 425 00:12:03,270 --> 00:12:04,359 about special session? 426 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,719 I mean, again, I think that they are 427 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:06,839 often a messaging tool and 428 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,619 especially in divided government, 429 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:10,179 right, where Democrats are never 430 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:11,239 going to get their bills on the 431 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,199 floor while Republicans control it, 432 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,299 or at least their sort of values 433 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:16,979 first, their top priorities on the 434 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:18,559 floor. This is a way for the 435 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:19,959 Democratic governor to signal what 436 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,679 is most important to him by calling 437 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:22,739 these special sessions. 438 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:24,179 And then also if he does it on 439 00:12:24,180 --> 00:12:25,759 things that, again are kind of 440 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,419 widely popular no matter how you 441 00:12:27,420 --> 00:12:29,459 vote, he can force votes on 442 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:30,779 certain issues. So he can, for 443 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:32,659 example, he called a special session 444 00:12:32,660 --> 00:12:34,499 a few years ago on childcare. 445 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,519 Trying to force Republicans to 446 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,779 vote in a way that could then get 447 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:39,599 messaged as Republicans don't care 448 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,059 whether you get child care. 449 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:42,579 And so that's one use of it. 450 00:12:42,580 --> 00:12:43,839 But I will say, I have only ever 451 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,419 covered special sessions under 452 00:12:45,420 --> 00:12:46,679 divided government. I have ever 453 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:48,579 covered either special sessions. 454 00:12:48,580 --> 00:12:50,099 So I'm curious for you guys who have 455 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:52,239 covered when Republicans controlled 456 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,219 the legislature and the 457 00:12:54,220 --> 00:12:55,339 governor's office, when they worked 458 00:12:55,340 --> 00:12:57,199 in tandem, the Walker years, 459 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,479 what did special sessions look like 460 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,469 then? 461 00:12:59,470 --> 00:13:01,089 Zach, I seem to remember a pretty 462 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:02,909 big special session when Governor 463 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:05,129 Scott Walker was sworn in, 464 00:13:05,130 --> 00:13:06,409 actually the day of his 465 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:08,389 inauguration, he declared 466 00:13:08,390 --> 00:13:10,249 a special session on jobs, 467 00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:11,059 I think he called it. 468 00:13:11,060 --> 00:13:12,959 Yeah, that seemed to be pretty 469 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,739 big. 470 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:15,259 Some acts came out of that that 471 00:13:15,260 --> 00:13:16,559 still resonate with a lot of the 472 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:18,079 public and may bring up some 473 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,239 traumatic memories for a lot of 474 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,179 people who marched around the 475 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:21,319 Capitol during those Act 10 476 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,320 protests. 477 00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:24,879 Yeah, in that era, we have to 478 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,899 look back. In 25 years of 479 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:28,519 my time covering this legislature, 480 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,479 there has been one session in 481 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,639 which there was truly divided 482 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:32,899 government in the legislature, in 483 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:34,119 which Republicans held a chamber and 484 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,759 the Democrats held a chamber. 485 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,779 So most of the time, the past 486 00:13:37,780 --> 00:13:39,419 two and a half We've looked at this 487 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:41,298 there's hasn't been 488 00:13:41,299 --> 00:13:42,899 compromise necessary in the 489 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:44,259 legislature. It's come between the 490 00:13:44,260 --> 00:13:45,759 executive and the legislative 491 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,739 branches. 492 00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:48,999 So special sessions are one way for 493 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,839 a governor to draw attention 494 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,319 to what they need to and I asked 495 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,479 Governor Evers about this a couple 496 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,559 years ago when he was calling him 497 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,439 left and right and he only has 498 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,319 a couple opportunities to 499 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,839 actually bring attention to what he 500 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,499 wants. He can write a budget which 501 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:02,599 he knows will get immediately 502 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,419 trashed but at least he can write it 503 00:14:04,420 --> 00:14:05,819 and introduce his values his 504 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:07,579 principles and say this is what I 505 00:14:07,580 --> 00:14:09,159 would like to see happen and then he 506 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,549 and call special sessions. 507 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:12,389 Other than that, that is his only 508 00:14:12,390 --> 00:14:14,309 legal power to do something in the 509 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:15,329 Capitol. The rest of the time, it's 510 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:16,369 the bully pulpit and going around 511 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:17,869 and talking to the media. 512 00:14:17,870 --> 00:14:18,969 You know, I think I would have 513 00:14:18,970 --> 00:14:20,509 answered Katie's question 514 00:14:20,510 --> 00:14:22,369 differently a few weeks 515 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:23,490 ago than I would now. 516 00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:25,629 And and that is to say that a few 517 00:14:25,630 --> 00:14:27,109 weeks ago, I said that special 518 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:28,769 sessions from this governor are 519 00:14:28,770 --> 00:14:31,069 basically all about messaging, 520 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:32,989 that they are all about forcing 521 00:14:32,990 --> 00:14:34,629 Republicans to take a position 522 00:14:34,630 --> 00:14:36,509 against his priorities or 523 00:14:36,510 --> 00:14:38,349 to get his priorities on the record. 524 00:14:38,350 --> 00:14:39,729 I would say this last special 525 00:14:39,730 --> 00:14:41,089 session that he called where he 526 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:43,129 brought Republicans in to pass 527 00:14:43,130 --> 00:14:45,129 a deal he thought that they 528 00:14:45,130 --> 00:14:46,309 negotiated. 529 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:48,029 That's kind of a special session as 530 00:14:48,030 --> 00:14:50,029 the founders intended or the framers 531 00:14:50,030 --> 00:14:51,749 of the state constitution would have 532 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:54,189 intended where, look, 533 00:14:54,190 --> 00:14:56,109 the regular session's done or 534 00:14:56,110 --> 00:14:58,009 our calendar days are done. 535 00:14:58,010 --> 00:14:59,649 We have this big issue we wanna deal 536 00:14:59,650 --> 00:15:00,969 with that we just ran out of time 537 00:15:00,970 --> 00:15:02,829 with. Let's agree to come back 538 00:15:02,830 --> 00:15:04,869 in for a special threshing 539 00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:05,789 of the legislature. 540 00:15:05,790 --> 00:15:07,209 And it's more ceremonial too. 541 00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:08,529 You had everybody actually in the 542 00:15:08,530 --> 00:15:10,349 building versus most special 543 00:15:10,350 --> 00:15:11,949 sessions like the one on 544 00:15:11,950 --> 00:15:13,709 gerrymandering, for example. 545 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:14,509 That was for show. 546 00:15:14,510 --> 00:15:16,339 And by the way, They gaveled that 547 00:15:16,340 --> 00:15:18,199 out last Thursday, kind of 548 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,459 when nobody was paying attention. 549 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:21,859 That one's done. That was one where 550 00:15:21,860 --> 00:15:23,139 the governor wanted to highlight an 551 00:15:23,140 --> 00:15:24,619 issue. He said, let's end partisan 552 00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:25,579 gerrymandering. 553 00:15:25,580 --> 00:15:26,999 And Republicans said, we'll consider 554 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,159 it. 555 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,279 And not anymore. 556 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:29,979 It's gavel out. 557 00:15:29,980 --> 00:15:31,539 And the way that Republicans can 558 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:33,519 respond to the governor trying 559 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,519 to call attention to something 560 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:35,819 through a special session is what's 561 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:37,579 called a skeletal session, in which 562 00:15:37,580 --> 00:15:39,259 two of them come in, they gavel it 563 00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:40,199 in, they gaver it out, they don't 564 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,839 even have to bring everyone to do 565 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,039 the thing. So that's the response 566 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,439 to, we want attention on this. 567 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:45,219 You want attention? 568 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:46,279 We'll give you an empty dark 569 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,139 chamber. We literally won't turn the 570 00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:49,139 lights on. That's how little 571 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:50,459 attention will pay to it. 572 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:52,339 But it is all about politics at all. 573 00:15:52,340 --> 00:15:54,099 It is entirely about optics. 574 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:55,199 This last one was a little 575 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,559 different. And the thing that's 576 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,839 probably deceiving to most people is 577 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,629 when They're legally called special. 578 00:15:59,630 --> 00:16:00,869 Sessions when the governor calls 579 00:16:00,870 --> 00:16:02,269 them are extraordinary sessions and 580 00:16:02,270 --> 00:16:03,649 the legislature calls them. 581 00:16:03,650 --> 00:16:04,869 Those are just names All it means is 582 00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:05,949 it happens outside the regular 583 00:16:05,950 --> 00:16:08,029 calendar Republicans two years 584 00:16:08,030 --> 00:16:09,189 ago declared the calendar was going 585 00:16:09,190 --> 00:16:10,489 to be done in March. 586 00:16:10,490 --> 00:16:12,709 So nine months to campaign That's 587 00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:13,909 the only reason it's not regular 588 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:15,889 session. It's special, but it was a 589 00:16:15,890 --> 00:16:16,949 special time in the capital that 590 00:16:16,950 --> 00:16:18,119 people will remember 591 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,739 Yes, they will. 592 00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:21,499 If you want to ask us a question 593 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:23,479 about state government or politics, 594 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,459 send us an email at insidewisconsin 595 00:16:25,460 --> 00:16:28,320 politics at wpr.org. 596 00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:31,459 Before we wrap up here, I 597 00:16:31,460 --> 00:16:32,979 didn't want to talk about the 598 00:16:32,980 --> 00:16:34,519 campaign for governor on the 599 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,339 Republican side we had a state 600 00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:38,199 GOP convention over this past 601 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,399 weekend. 602 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,639 Tom Tiffany is now the endorsed 603 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,779 candidate. He doesn't have to worry 604 00:16:41,780 --> 00:16:43,759 about a primary the way that the 605 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,519 candidates had to in 2022. 606 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,459 So he can focus on the general 607 00:16:48,460 --> 00:16:50,859 election now, and yet, 608 00:16:50,860 --> 00:16:52,799 Zach, we're talking about the 2020 609 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,699 election here. What is Tom Tiffany 610 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:55,739 talking about? 611 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:58,239 He cannot get away from Trump's 612 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,779 main grievance, which is the fact 613 00:16:59,780 --> 00:17:02,139 that he lost to Joe Biden in 2020. 614 00:17:02,140 --> 00:17:04,179 And because he still has such a 615 00:17:04,180 --> 00:17:05,338 powerful grip over the Republican 616 00:17:05,339 --> 00:17:07,358 Party nationally, which we just saw 617 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,139 in Republican primaries in Kentucky 618 00:17:09,140 --> 00:17:11,479 and in Louisiana Senate races, 619 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,419 that his people have to fall in line 620 00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:15,379 on his beliefs or his incorrect 621 00:17:15,380 --> 00:17:17,439 beliefs that the 2020 election 622 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,239 was stolen. So Tom Tiffany is still 623 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,439 answering questions about election 624 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,299 fraud investigations and whether 625 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:25,269 Joe Biden won the election with... 626 00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:26,809 You know, kind of diffusing or 627 00:17:26,810 --> 00:17:28,149 deferring and trying to get away 628 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:29,829 from it because he can't come out 629 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:31,209 and honestly say, no, of course 630 00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:32,749 Trump lost. That's been warranted 631 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:33,889 over and over. Every Republican 632 00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:35,869 group out there, from Voss to 633 00:17:35,870 --> 00:17:37,129 the Wisconsin Institute for Law and 634 00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:38,569 Liberty has already said so. 635 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:40,029 And that is something that Democrats 636 00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:41,349 love to hear because they will 637 00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:42,709 continue to hang that around his 638 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:44,209 neck all the way to November as much 639 00:17:44,210 --> 00:17:45,469 as they possibly can. 640 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:46,889 The closer they tie him to Donald 641 00:17:46,890 --> 00:17:48,869 Trump and these grievances from six 642 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:50,709 years ago now, that the better off 643 00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:51,629 it is for them. 644 00:17:51,630 --> 00:17:53,229 And Anya, just real quick, I mean, 645 00:17:53,230 --> 00:17:54,789 it seems like this is an issue where 646 00:17:54,790 --> 00:17:56,729 as much as he wants to go for those 647 00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:58,249 handful of voters who are in the 648 00:17:58,250 --> 00:17:59,929 middle, this is a line that he can't 649 00:17:59,930 --> 00:18:01,189 cross as far as Republicans are 650 00:18:01,190 --> 00:18:01,399 concerned. 651 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,639 Yeah, I mean, I think one of the 652 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,359 lessons from this week is that in 653 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:06,099 state politics, it's not the time, 654 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:07,919 if you are a Republican, to be 655 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:08,759 bucking Trump. 656 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,699 And so we are seeing him sort of 657 00:18:10,700 --> 00:18:12,719 tie himself again to this issue. 658 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,039 And it'll be interesting to see how 659 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,299 much does that motivate his 660 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:16,879 Republican voters and how much does 661 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,399 that turn off those moderate voters 662 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,428 and energize Democratic voters. 663 00:18:20,429 --> 00:18:21,769 Absolutely. 664 00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:22,949 That's all the time we have for 665 00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:24,549 today. Thanks for joining us. 666 00:18:24,550 --> 00:18:26,049 This has been Inside Wisconsin 667 00:18:26,050 --> 00:18:26,889 Politics. 668 00:18:26,890 --> 00:18:28,289 Our colleague, Rich Kramer, will be 669 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:29,689 back next week. 670 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:30,689 Be sure to follow us on 671 00:18:30,690 --> 00:18:33,249 PBSWisconsin.org, WPR.org 672 00:18:33,250 --> 00:18:35,069 YouTube or wherever you get 673 00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:36,070 your podcasts. 674 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,879 A different verb in the book, but 675 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,880 I'd.