1 00:00:23,930 --> 00:00:25,709 The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is 2 00:00:25,710 --> 00:00:27,549 coming up and polling shows a 3 00:00:27,550 --> 00:00:28,969 majority of you say, you don't know 4 00:00:28,970 --> 00:00:30,309 enough about the candidates. 5 00:00:30,310 --> 00:00:31,289 Let's fix that. 6 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:33,189 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 7 00:00:33,190 --> 00:00:34,749 I'm Sean Johnson here with my 8 00:00:34,750 --> 00:00:36,409 colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich 9 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:37,509 Kramer. Hey guys. 10 00:00:37,510 --> 00:00:38,829 Hello. Hey. 11 00:00:38,830 --> 00:00:39,909 So this is not something we're just 12 00:00:39,910 --> 00:00:41,209 making up here. There has been 13 00:00:41,210 --> 00:00:43,069 polling on this race and the 14 00:00:43,070 --> 00:00:45,149 leading vote getter in that poll was 15 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:47,109 a majority people saying they don't 16 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:48,549 who they're gonna support. 17 00:00:48,550 --> 00:00:50,529 That is so different than in 2023 18 00:00:50,530 --> 00:00:52,629 and 2025 when we in Wisconsin 19 00:00:52,630 --> 00:00:54,709 were the Super Bowls of election 20 00:00:54,710 --> 00:00:56,769 for our Supreme Court races. 21 00:00:56,770 --> 00:00:58,629 So Zach, what is the difference this 22 00:00:58,630 --> 00:00:58,959 year? 23 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,559 The simple difference is this isn't 24 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,599 for the majority. 25 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,959 The liberals will have a four person 26 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,639 majority for the next session no 27 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,599 matter what. 28 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,079 If Chris Taylor wins, it goes to 29 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,259 five two. 30 00:01:09,260 --> 00:01:11,179 If Maria Lazar wins, it stays at 31 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:12,079 four to three. 32 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,219 But that simply is the difference 33 00:01:13,220 --> 00:01:15,119 between a hundred million dollars in 34 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,739 campaign and the attention of the 35 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:18,179 world on this very important swing 36 00:01:18,180 --> 00:01:20,019 state and a court's decisions 37 00:01:20,020 --> 00:01:22,079 on election laws versus 38 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,359 a snooze fest even in the state for 39 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,639 people that normally tune in for 40 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,759 these elections are still trying to 41 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,399 figure out, oh, when is that coming 42 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:28,949 up? 43 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:30,809 And that's not hyperbole either. 44 00:01:30,810 --> 00:01:32,669 That $100 million was a real 45 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:34,869 number from last election when we 46 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:37,089 shattered the 2023 record, 47 00:01:37,090 --> 00:01:38,729 not just for Wisconsin, but for 48 00:01:38,730 --> 00:01:40,569 national judicial races. 49 00:01:40,570 --> 00:01:42,569 Rich, the 2025 race 50 00:01:42,570 --> 00:01:44,149 was the first one you'd covered 51 00:01:44,150 --> 00:01:46,109 really closely. 52 00:01:46,110 --> 00:01:47,969 What was a 53 00:01:47,970 --> 00:01:49,949 day in life like on that one? 54 00:01:49,950 --> 00:01:51,969 And how does it compare to what 55 00:01:51,970 --> 00:01:53,409 you've observed in this Supreme 56 00:01:53,410 --> 00:01:54,410 Court race? 57 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:57,089 I mean, it's like night and day. 58 00:01:57,090 --> 00:01:59,689 I covered a Republican, 59 00:01:59,690 --> 00:02:01,269 former Republican Attorney General, 60 00:02:01,270 --> 00:02:03,149 Brad Schimel, 61 00:02:03,150 --> 00:02:04,689 spent a day with him on the campaign 62 00:02:04,690 --> 00:02:06,529 trail. And, you know, first off the 63 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:08,388 bat, he took money directly from 64 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:10,729 the Republican Party of Wisconsin. 65 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:14,389 Also, I was at a campaign 66 00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:16,289 event at the Republican party 67 00:02:16,290 --> 00:02:18,229 in La Crosse, where 68 00:02:18,230 --> 00:02:20,469 Brad Schimmel framed 69 00:02:20,470 --> 00:02:22,349 the race as a fight 70 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:23,389 between good and evil. 71 00:02:23,390 --> 00:02:25,439 And he also 72 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,479 used an analogy of driving 73 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,159 the serpent out of the garden of 74 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Eden. 75 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,039 The language used by Schimel 76 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,619 is very different than what we've 77 00:02:35,620 --> 00:02:37,539 seen from Judge Lazar. 78 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:40,579 She's promoting that she is the 79 00:02:40,580 --> 00:02:42,499 independent candidate compared to 80 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:44,039 Chris Taylor, who she attacks as 81 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,899 being an activist and 82 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:47,259 former Democratic lawmaker. 83 00:02:47,260 --> 00:02:48,799 But she just hasn't made the same 84 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,679 kind of statements that I've 85 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,659 heard that Schimell did last 86 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:53,639 year. 87 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:55,399 It's almost like an old fashioned 88 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,519 Supreme Court race in Wisconsin, 89 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,059 Zach. 90 00:02:58,060 --> 00:02:59,759 It harkens back to a day where 91 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,859 things weren't as heated, that your 92 00:03:01,860 --> 00:03:03,799 TV wasn't filled with ads nonstop 93 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,939 in the lead up to it, where you 94 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:06,879 really did have to pay attention to 95 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,559 learn who these people were. 96 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,639 Now, it's still Republican 97 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,359 Democrat. They may use the labels 98 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,219 conservative, liberal, but Chris 99 00:03:14,220 --> 00:03:15,839 Taylor is a former legislative 100 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,619 Democrat, but now independent judge. 101 00:03:18,620 --> 00:03:20,799 But her connection to the Democratic 102 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,699 Party run deep. 103 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:22,919 Lazar's connection to Republican 104 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:24,519 Party go deep. 105 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,319 I've attended multiple events with 106 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,079 her, where she's been speaking at. 107 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,959 GOP rallies with the next 108 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,019 speaker is Eric Tony running for 109 00:03:32,020 --> 00:03:33,559 attorney general. So it's not like 110 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,819 either these are running down 111 00:03:34,820 --> 00:03:36,079 independent lanes They're still 112 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,839 following that traditional the new 113 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,959 path If you want to become on the 114 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,719 Supreme Court, you keep the 115 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,539 political parties at arm's length in 116 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:44,379 your name But you take all the money 117 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:45,519 under the table You take all their 118 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,899 effort for grassroots because that 119 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:48,799 really matters when when it comes 120 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,399 to getting people out to vote those 121 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,959 turnout Operations those dollar 122 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,379 operations still belong to the 123 00:03:53,380 --> 00:03:54,939 parties There is no independent 124 00:03:54,940 --> 00:03:56,099 structure for anyone to remain 125 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:57,539 independent and actually win a 126 00:03:57,540 --> 00:03:58,859 campaign 127 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:00,279 So let's talk about the candidates 128 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,399 here. 129 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,439 Let's start with Chris Taylor. 130 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,539 She got into the race first. 131 00:04:04,540 --> 00:04:07,459 Zach, what should people know about 132 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:09,459 Chris Taylor's background and what 133 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:11,219 led her to this point? 134 00:04:11,220 --> 00:04:13,039 Well, the clearest thing is she 135 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,939 had worked for abortion 136 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:16,979 rights groups before she 137 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:18,479 became a member of the legislature. 138 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,299 She ran as a Democrat in assembly 139 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:22,559 race in the Dane County area. 140 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,619 I cover that race way back when. 141 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:26,059 She was here through a lot of the 142 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:27,779 tumultuous times in the Capitol. 143 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:28,939 And then she left. 144 00:04:28,940 --> 00:04:30,399 She was appointed a Dane county 145 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,919 judge by Governor Evers. 146 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,039 Then she ran for the appellate 147 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,339 court and became a judge there, 148 00:04:35,340 --> 00:04:36,459 which is what she's doing today. 149 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:38,599 So she has followed the judicial 150 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,399 pattern. 151 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,239 But she's got heavy partisan 152 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,919 activity in her background, and she 153 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,659 doesn't deny that, but like every 154 00:04:44,660 --> 00:04:46,039 judge or justice, she won't be the 155 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,819 first one. I mean, former Justice 156 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:49,839 Prosser served as the assembly 157 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,699 speaker for Republicans and back in 158 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:52,839 a day when they could say, well, I'm 159 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,659 a conservative justice, not a 160 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:56,359 conservative politician. 161 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,739 With Chris Taylor in this modern 162 00:04:57,740 --> 00:04:58,919 environment, I don't know if it 163 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,059 really matters because the 164 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:01,079 candidates are so tied to the 165 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,419 parties anyway that her background 166 00:05:02,420 --> 00:05:04,079 doesn't seem to have any baggage. 167 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,579 And we saw with Brad Schimel, Rich, 168 00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:07,339 as you were talking about last year, 169 00:05:07,340 --> 00:05:08,699 He's a former Republican attorney 170 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:10,019 general for Wisconsin, and he did 171 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:11,819 not shy away from those Republican 172 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:13,679 connections, but you see 173 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,879 a difference with Lazar and how 174 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,880 she's handled herself. 175 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:22,059 Oh, sorry. 176 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:22,979 Yeah, exactly. 177 00:05:22,980 --> 00:05:23,980 The 178 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:27,499 Lazar has been focusing on 179 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:29,499 her career in the courtroom. 180 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:31,499 She's been a lawyer 181 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:32,880 since 1989. 182 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:35,919 She worked for the Department of 183 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,759 Justice under former Republican 184 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,179 Attorney General J.B. 185 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:40,180 Van Hollen. 186 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:43,919 And that was in the early years of 187 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,239 Republican control of state 188 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,219 government. So after 2011, when 189 00:05:47,220 --> 00:05:49,179 a lot of laws were passed, that 190 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:51,179 wound up in court. 191 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:53,119 Democrats tried to sue to 192 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,059 stop voting maps passed 193 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:57,059 by Republicans, 194 00:05:57,060 --> 00:05:59,239 abortion restrictions, and 195 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,379 Act 10. 196 00:06:00,380 --> 00:06:02,599 So Maria Lazar, as an assistant 197 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,499 DOJ attorney, 198 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:07,139 was representing 199 00:06:07,140 --> 00:06:09,079 the state and defending those. 200 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,339 And she was elected to 201 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:13,379 the Waukesha County Circuit Court, 202 00:06:13,380 --> 00:06:15,459 but both of 203 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:17,479 her races there were unopposed. 204 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,879 And then in 2022, she became 205 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,919 a judge on the Second District 206 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,619 Court of Appeals. 207 00:06:23,620 --> 00:06:25,839 So, but to your point, 208 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:29,039 yes, she's leaning on her 209 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,999 experience in the courtroom, 210 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,279 but also her 211 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:35,299 political ads kind of lets you know 212 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:36,979 where she stands on certain things 213 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:39,559 or at least where her campaign does. 214 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:40,759 So there's plenty of signals out 215 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:41,760 there. 216 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:43,229 You know, some of these candidates, 217 00:06:43,230 --> 00:06:45,089 when they run for Supreme Court, 218 00:06:45,090 --> 00:06:47,269 they come from the law and 219 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:48,649 maybe you're hearing about them for 220 00:06:48,650 --> 00:06:50,029 the first time or getting introduced 221 00:06:50,030 --> 00:06:50,849 to them for the first. 222 00:06:50,850 --> 00:06:52,869 But I, you know, Chris Taylor 223 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:54,469 and Maria Lazar, as you both 224 00:06:54,470 --> 00:06:55,589 mentioned, have been around for a 225 00:06:55,590 --> 00:06:57,589 little while. I remember Maria Lazar 226 00:06:57,590 --> 00:06:59,489 defending Republican 227 00:06:59,490 --> 00:07:01,489 drawn legislative maps in 228 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:03,329 2012 alongside 229 00:07:03,330 --> 00:07:05,549 co-counsel Dan Kelly, 230 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:07,389 former Supreme Court justice, 231 00:07:07,390 --> 00:07:09,249 and who ran in 232 00:07:09,250 --> 00:07:11,879 a couple of races in Los. 233 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,739 I remember Chris Taylor very well 234 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:15,979 for her role in 235 00:07:15,980 --> 00:07:17,639 the minority on the legislature's 236 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,299 budget committee, where if you have 237 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,179 that position, you are expected 238 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:23,299 to be able to talk and defend every 239 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,579 position and attack 240 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:27,019 the majority's position 241 00:07:27,020 --> 00:07:28,399 aggressively. 242 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,219 And so she did that well. 243 00:07:29,220 --> 00:07:30,819 She wasn't just a backbencher 244 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:32,439 legislator. She was the person who 245 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,299 was on that front line of 246 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:35,679 attack. 247 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,539 And since she's become a 248 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,319 judge, that's changed. 249 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,719 And she has indicated, and her 250 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,979 friends have indicated, look, she 251 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:43,479 knows this is a different role on 252 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,379 the court. But it is striking 253 00:07:45,380 --> 00:07:47,299 a very big change for her 254 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,679 to go from that attack, 255 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,579 attack, attack democratic legislator 256 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:53,419 to a judge going to see 257 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:54,420 things differently. 258 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,799 You mentioned those ads, Rich, 259 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,639 from Maria Lazar. 260 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,039 She is trying to go for this 261 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,059 kind of above it all judge. 262 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:06,439 I don't want to get into politics. 263 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,819 The ads are, they tell a different 264 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:08,839 story though. I mean, she's 265 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,739 definitely not going that way 266 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:11,740 with her campaign. 267 00:08:13,190 --> 00:08:15,629 Yeah, the ads have focused on 268 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:17,849 basically attacking Taylor 269 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:20,529 on things like abortion. 270 00:08:20,530 --> 00:08:22,689 Lazar's campaign ads say that, 271 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:24,449 you know, Taylor wants abortion up 272 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:26,569 to the moment of birth, which is 273 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:27,749 a line you've heard a lot of 274 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:30,049 Republicans say over the years. 275 00:08:30,050 --> 00:08:31,989 And the latest one 276 00:08:31,990 --> 00:08:34,129 that I think just came out this 277 00:08:34,130 --> 00:08:36,449 week features 278 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:38,408 a woman saying that she's afraid of 279 00:08:38,409 --> 00:08:39,849 her daughter having to compete 280 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:42,229 against biological men in 281 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:43,230 school sports. 282 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:46,129 Republican themes pulled right from 283 00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:47,749 congressional races and state 284 00:08:47,750 --> 00:08:50,389 assembly races, governor races, 285 00:08:50,390 --> 00:08:51,469 hitting the points that work for 286 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:52,519 them. 287 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,439 Yeah. So the ad lays out the 288 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,599 political part of it. 289 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,739 And then you've got a picture of 290 00:08:57,740 --> 00:08:59,619 Lazar saying that she'll uphold the 291 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:01,259 law. So it seems like she's still 292 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:03,439 trying to walk that line. 293 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,239 But, you know, the ads do send a 294 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,139 signal. 295 00:09:06,140 --> 00:09:08,619 So let me ask you, so we've 296 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:10,539 seen low turnout elections in the 297 00:09:10,540 --> 00:09:12,399 past, and that was at a time when 298 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,159 conservatives really won a lot of 299 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,679 these races. When there was lower 300 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,659 turnout, when their consistent 301 00:09:17,660 --> 00:09:19,779 voters from the suburbs of Milwaukee 302 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:21,799 came out to vote no matter what, and 303 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:22,859 the liberal candidates really 304 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:24,179 struggled to get the attention that 305 00:09:24,180 --> 00:09:25,759 they needed to win these races, and 306 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,779 then we saw things flip from 307 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:29,979 Rebecca Dalat on in 2018. 308 00:09:29,980 --> 00:09:31,899 So what do you see as the impact of 309 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:33,579 less attention right now on this 310 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:34,729 race? 311 00:09:34,730 --> 00:09:36,689 I think we'll 312 00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:38,609 find out what a less attention race 313 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:39,789 means here. 314 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:42,289 I think, though, in the era of 315 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:44,149 Donald Trump, for one, since 316 00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:45,769 Donald Trump realigned the 317 00:09:45,770 --> 00:09:47,889 Republican Party and its base of 318 00:09:47,890 --> 00:09:49,829 voters, a base that reliably 319 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:52,069 elected conservative justices 320 00:09:52,070 --> 00:09:54,309 for many years up until around 321 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:55,310 2017, 322 00:09:56,770 --> 00:09:58,559 we don't know what that shift is 323 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:00,159 mean in a lower turnout election, 324 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,289 but we know that conservatives 325 00:10:02,290 --> 00:10:03,829 start out at kind of a structural 326 00:10:03,830 --> 00:10:06,209 disadvantage in these races. 327 00:10:06,210 --> 00:10:08,189 And we also know that liberals have 328 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:10,189 just found a pattern for what 329 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:12,089 it takes to run, talk about 330 00:10:12,090 --> 00:10:13,449 their values. 331 00:10:13,450 --> 00:10:15,509 They're not afraid to talk about 332 00:10:15,510 --> 00:10:17,349 cases that have happened. 333 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:19,289 They are not afraid talk about 334 00:10:19,290 --> 00:10:20,329 women's health. 335 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:22,169 And it's just been a winning formula 336 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:23,170 for them. 337 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:25,869 Really, since 2018, with 338 00:10:25,870 --> 00:10:28,229 one exception in 2019, 339 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:30,329 that has been the liberal path 340 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:31,189 to victory. 341 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:33,289 Year in and year out. 342 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:35,009 So there have been a couple cases, 343 00:10:35,010 --> 00:10:36,729 Zach, that you have asked both 344 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:38,089 candidates about. 345 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:39,629 We actually got to hear them. 346 00:10:39,630 --> 00:10:41,029 You gave them a chance anyway to 347 00:10:41,030 --> 00:10:42,649 weigh in on some very high profile 348 00:10:42,650 --> 00:10:44,469 races that came before the Wisconsin 349 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:46,269 Supreme Court. 350 00:10:46,270 --> 00:10:48,089 Let's look at those if we 351 00:10:48,090 --> 00:10:50,209 can. There was one about the 2020 352 00:10:50,210 --> 00:10:52,089 election, which we will be talking 353 00:10:52,090 --> 00:10:54,829 about forever as reporters, I think. 354 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:56,669 And this was a, there were a lot of 355 00:10:56,670 --> 00:10:58,189 challenges to the election results 356 00:10:58,190 --> 00:10:59,649 and Joe Biden's victory in 357 00:10:59,650 --> 00:11:00,689 Wisconsin. 358 00:11:00,690 --> 00:11:01,949 That came before the Wisconsin 359 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:03,829 Supreme Court, what did you ask 360 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:04,349 the candidate? 361 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:06,409 So the case that was ultimately 362 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:08,009 decided that election in Wisconsin 363 00:11:08,010 --> 00:11:09,709 was called Trump v Biden. 364 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:11,069 And it was brought by Trump's 365 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:12,569 lawyers, one of which is Jim Trupis, 366 00:11:12,570 --> 00:11:14,509 who is currently being prosecuted 367 00:11:14,510 --> 00:11:16,429 in Dane County Court for forgery 368 00:11:16,430 --> 00:11:18,529 related to the false electors thing 369 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:20,189 tied in around the same time period. 370 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:21,829 It's a very small world in law. 371 00:11:21,830 --> 00:11:23,729 Especially in political lawyers 372 00:11:23,730 --> 00:11:24,729 times. 373 00:11:24,730 --> 00:11:26,109 But yes, that case went all the way 374 00:11:26,110 --> 00:11:26,949 to the Supreme Court. And the 375 00:11:26,950 --> 00:11:27,849 question was the Trump 376 00:11:27,850 --> 00:11:29,749 administration or the Trump campaign 377 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:31,589 wanted to 200,000 votes 378 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:33,349 in Wisconsin, specifically in Dane 379 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:34,759 and Milwaukee counties. 380 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,299 Regarding absentee ballots and the 381 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:38,179 question before the Supreme Court 382 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:39,859 was should they even take the case? 383 00:11:39,860 --> 00:11:41,479 So the question was standing in the 384 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,419 legal sense of did 385 00:11:43,420 --> 00:11:45,079 Donald Trump and his campaign have a 386 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,719 legal right to even file a lawsuit? 387 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,699 In the first place Ultimately, 388 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:50,339 it was a four three decision and 389 00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:51,499 this is a time when conservatives 390 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:52,859 controlled the court four to three 391 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:54,799 that said no We won't take the it 392 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,839 was Brian Hagedorn Who 393 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,159 ultimately sided with the three 394 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,119 liberals to throw out the case that 395 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,659 solidified the win Biden won 396 00:12:02,660 --> 00:12:04,679 Wisconsin definitively election 397 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,499 conspiracies be damned, and 398 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:07,979 it was the three conservatives who 399 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:09,859 didn't necessarily say they would 400 00:12:09,860 --> 00:12:11,059 have thrown out the votes, but they 401 00:12:11,060 --> 00:12:12,359 said we should at least hear the 402 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,439 case. 403 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,719 When I asked both candidates about 404 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,299 this, Chris Taylor was absolutely on 405 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:17,499 the side of the liberal candidates 406 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:19,059 saying, of course, they made the 407 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:20,719 right decision and they never should 408 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:21,619 have thrown those votes, should have 409 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:22,959 never gotten that far. 410 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,359 It was Maria Lazar who really didn't 411 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,459 want to take a position on it 412 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:26,999 because she said the issue of 413 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,399 standing is still going to come back 414 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,179 before this court, which is true, 415 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:31,999 and she even go the 416 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,849 one step further, as I asked her. 417 00:12:33,850 --> 00:12:34,689 Point blank. 418 00:12:34,690 --> 00:12:35,529 Like, there are people who are going to 419 00:12:35,530 --> 00:12:36,789 hear this answer and say, well, what 420 00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:38,369 about the 200,000 votes that we're 421 00:12:38,370 --> 00:12:39,409 going to get thrown out? 422 00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:40,649 And she said, well, I don't want to 423 00:12:40,650 --> 00:12:41,729 weigh in on that. I don't want to 424 00:12:41,730 --> 00:12:42,709 talk about that. 425 00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:44,029 And that was just a place she wasn't 426 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:45,149 willing to go. 427 00:12:45,150 --> 00:12:46,689 And the Democratic party and 428 00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:48,029 Taylor's campaign immediately jumped 429 00:12:48,030 --> 00:12:49,689 all over that saying she's still 430 00:12:49,690 --> 00:12:51,309 connected to election deniers and 431 00:12:51,310 --> 00:12:53,889 conspiracy and this whole issue. 432 00:12:53,890 --> 00:12:55,509 So, you know, the 2020 election will 433 00:12:55,510 --> 00:12:57,329 not go away. It's still present and 434 00:12:57,330 --> 00:12:59,449 it's present in their answers too. 435 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:01,389 And Rich, two things can 436 00:13:01,390 --> 00:13:03,269 be true. That is a position 437 00:13:03,270 --> 00:13:04,929 that a lawyer can take, that look, 438 00:13:04,930 --> 00:13:06,369 this has to deal with standing. 439 00:13:06,370 --> 00:13:07,909 We're not going to get into it. 440 00:13:07,910 --> 00:13:09,489 Another thing that is undeniably 441 00:13:09,490 --> 00:13:11,549 true is that there are people 442 00:13:11,550 --> 00:13:13,469 in Maria Lazar's base 443 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:15,729 or the conservative base who 444 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:17,429 have strong feelings about the 2020 445 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:18,430 election. 446 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:21,649 Yeah, they absolutely do. 447 00:13:21,650 --> 00:13:23,609 So, in 2022, she 448 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:25,449 was endorsed by 449 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:27,029 people, she was attacked for being 450 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:28,489 endorsed by people like Michael 451 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:30,289 Gabelman and also for associating 452 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:31,869 with trupists. 453 00:13:31,870 --> 00:13:33,529 Gabelmen is a former Supreme Court 454 00:13:33,530 --> 00:13:35,849 Justice who led the 455 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:37,929 2020 election 456 00:13:37,930 --> 00:13:39,809 investigation that was kind 457 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:41,949 of widely panned and 458 00:13:41,950 --> 00:13:43,969 also he was fired by 459 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:46,069 Assembly Assembly 460 00:13:46,070 --> 00:13:47,769 Speaker Robin Voss. 461 00:13:47,770 --> 00:13:49,369 Who had hired him before. 462 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:50,789 I mean, it was a whole thing. 463 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:52,269 So she's still getting. 464 00:13:55,139 --> 00:13:56,979 Hit for even associating 465 00:13:56,980 --> 00:13:58,739 with those two people. 466 00:13:58,740 --> 00:13:59,979 But yeah, the standing issue, the 467 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:01,519 other thing that comes to mind is 468 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,319 I've, you know, we've heard the 469 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,699 president, President Donald Trump 470 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:06,559 say, well, you, 471 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:07,819 know, all those cases, they never 472 00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:08,759 looked at the cases. 473 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,499 They just found these technicalities 474 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:11,499 and they tossed them out. 475 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:12,379 That's not true. 476 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:13,879 There was plenty of cases that were 477 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,739 dismissed on the merits, lack of 478 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:16,719 evidence, etc. 479 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,599 But it just kind of reminded 480 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,059 me of that when I heard that answer 481 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:21,019 from Lazar. 482 00:14:21,020 --> 00:14:22,599 And I've seen that same answer from 483 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,299 a lot of people who do believe that. 484 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:24,979 The 2020 election. 485 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:26,459 Was stolen. 486 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:27,579 And Zach, I feel like we can't talk 487 00:14:27,580 --> 00:14:29,519 about a court race in Wisconsin 488 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,379 these days without talking about the 489 00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:33,239 issue of abortion. 490 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,459 That's another one where you ask the 491 00:14:34,460 --> 00:14:36,799 candidates about their 492 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,779 positions. 493 00:14:37,780 --> 00:14:38,999 What was your question and how did 494 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:39,829 they handle that? 495 00:14:39,830 --> 00:14:41,729 Specifically, the question was how 496 00:14:41,730 --> 00:14:43,229 would they have decided if they had 497 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:44,889 been on the court when call versus 498 00:14:44,890 --> 00:14:47,069 or Manskey Was brought before the 499 00:14:47,070 --> 00:14:49,229 court to be clear That was the 500 00:14:49,230 --> 00:14:50,669 case that looked to throw out the 501 00:14:50,670 --> 00:14:52,829 1849 abortion ban from Wisconsin 502 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:55,329 That was The Attorney General suing 503 00:14:55,330 --> 00:14:56,709 Sir Boygan. That wasn't the point. 504 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:57,869 It was that was what the case was 505 00:14:57,870 --> 00:14:59,889 called Four three the 506 00:14:59,890 --> 00:15:01,869 liberal majority throughout that law 507 00:15:01,870 --> 00:15:03,849 said it was annulled essentially by 508 00:15:03,850 --> 00:15:05,649 laws passed after that specifically 509 00:15:05,650 --> 00:15:07,249 won by Scott Walker and the 510 00:15:07,250 --> 00:15:09,219 Republicans And Chris 511 00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:10,459 Taylor said it was absolutely the 512 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:11,759 correct decision. 513 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,599 Maria Lazar, once again, didn't say 514 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,839 how she would have voted, but she 515 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,039 kind of answered it in the end of 516 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,799 her answer by saying, well, if I 517 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,639 win, it'll still be a 4-3 to 518 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,459 court. So I wouldn't have 519 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:24,259 changed the outcome of that case, 520 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:26,199 which sounds a lot like her saying 521 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,599 she would've decided with the 522 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,519 conservatives on the case, which 523 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,379 really shouldn't be all that 524 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:31,019 shocking. Those are who her 525 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:32,019 colleagues would be. 526 00:15:32,020 --> 00:15:34,259 If she wins, and then 527 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:35,339 another conservative wins, then she 528 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:36,779 would be in the majority. 529 00:15:36,780 --> 00:15:38,239 Who knows that that is the question 530 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,559 that Taylor and other people are 531 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:40,919 saying was if the court flips again 532 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,639 Will abortion rights come up before 533 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,699 the court? I will say Lazar finished 534 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:46,399 her answer by saying however She 535 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,299 views that Supreme Court decision is 536 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:50,119 final and that the abortion issue is 537 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,319 settled as far as the courts are 538 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,179 determined Obviously, it's not 539 00:15:53,180 --> 00:15:54,139 settled when it comes to 540 00:15:54,140 --> 00:15:55,619 gubernatorial and legislative 541 00:15:55,620 --> 00:15:57,499 elections So those will 542 00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:58,559 still play out and we're going to be 543 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,379 covering a lot of that coming up But 544 00:16:00,380 --> 00:16:02,239 their answers kind of fell into the 545 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,619 camps that you might expect them to 546 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:04,959 especially given their messaging and 547 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,019 ads 548 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:08,159 And Rich, there was another 549 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,419 finding in the Marquette poll that 550 00:16:09,420 --> 00:16:11,499 we recently covered that, 551 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:12,519 you know, it's hard to say where 552 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,759 people stand on the candidates when 553 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,479 more than half of voters say they 554 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,259 don't know. But what we did see, 555 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:19,179 what you saw, there's a lot 556 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:21,239 of tells in there about which side 557 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,119 is more enthusiastic right now 558 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,079 at this moment in time. 559 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:25,939 Yeah, big time. 560 00:16:25,940 --> 00:16:28,039 There was a big disparity in terms 561 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,659 of who's excited to vote in the 562 00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:30,819 April 7th election. 563 00:16:30,820 --> 00:16:33,079 So some numbers I'll run off here. 564 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,379 People saying that they're certain 565 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:36,359 to vote on April 566 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,279 7, Democrats are up 18 567 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,899 points over Republicans. 568 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,519 How important the election is 569 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,479 to the outcome or how important is 570 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,359 the election outcome to you? 571 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,259 That was a 19-point spread 572 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:50,979 in Democrats' favor as well. 573 00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:52,619 So there's all kinds of metrics and 574 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:54,319 not to mention that President Trump 575 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,439 had his lowest net negative approval 576 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,499 rating in Marquette poll 577 00:16:58,500 --> 00:16:59,819 history. 578 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:02,119 So those are all some headwinds for 579 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,399 a conservative candidate. 580 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,259 Zach, I guess against that backdrop, 581 00:17:06,260 --> 00:17:08,179 what can Maria Lazar point to 582 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:10,358 and say, I got a good 583 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,599 chance, nonetheless. 584 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,519 The quick answer is she's relying on 585 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,039 Hagedorn's race from 2019. 586 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,118 Like her, he was another 587 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,759 conservative candidate who was 588 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,479 vastly outspent and written off 589 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,479 towards the end of the race. 590 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,598 People thought that he was not going 591 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,499 to win, so much so that the liberal 592 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:26,239 candidate at the time really took 593 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,559 her foot off the pedal when it came 594 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,499 to running through the finish line. 595 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,359 Lazar directly points to that race 596 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:32,779 and says, that's the path to follow. 597 00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:33,759 That's get out the vote. 598 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,519 That's grassroots advocacy. 599 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,059 If we can't win on ads, we have to 600 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:38,299 make sure our voters get to the 601 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:39,879 polls, especially in a lower turnout 602 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:40,679 election. 603 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,259 Taylor said she's aware of it, she's 604 00:17:42,260 --> 00:17:43,339 gonna run through the tape, not 605 00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:44,939 letting off the pedal at all. 606 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:46,559 And she is running a different kind 607 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,539 of race than the Judge Neubauer 608 00:17:48,540 --> 00:17:50,879 who ran in that year's race, 609 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,339 you know, ran, I mean, you mentioned 610 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:54,719 it, taking her feet off the pedal. 611 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,699 She ran more like a judge than a 612 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,379 candidate, I guess, in that race. 613 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:00,199 So we'll see how that plays out in 614 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,119 the closing days. 615 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:03,199 Thanks for joining us for this 616 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,819 week's Inside Wisconsin Politics. 617 00:18:04,820 --> 00:18:06,379 Our colleague Anya Van Wekernock 618 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:07,879 will be back next week. 619 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,939 Be sure to follow us on 620 00:18:08,940 --> 00:18:11,539 pbswisconsin.org, wpr.org 621 00:18:11,540 --> 00:18:13,399 YouTube, or wherever you get 622 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,400 your podcasts. 623 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:47,309 Are they going to be able to edit 624 00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:48,329 that together? I'm sure we'll be 625 00:18:48,330 --> 00:18:49,550 able cut that out, but no. 626 00:18:51,070 --> 00:18:52,969 So my question for future 627 00:18:52,970 --> 00:18:55,029 references is, was my cue too 628 00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:56,929 subtle because I tried, I said 629 00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:59,479 your name and then left it. 630 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,299 I don't think so because I was 631 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,059 just too nervous. I didn't hear it. 632 00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:04,859 I was just waiting for Sean voice 633 00:19:04,860 --> 00:19:06,300 and so you say 634 00:19:06,301 --> 00:19:07,399 saying he wasn't paying attention to 635 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:07,869 me at all. 636 00:19:07,870 --> 00:19:09,730 Well, that's not what I'm admitting. 637 00:19:11,070 --> 00:19:12,709 You can infer what you like, but 638 00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:13,809 yeah, I got it. 639 00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:14,629 I was just so nervous. 640 00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:15,689 I was too in my head. 641 00:19:15,690 --> 00:19:16,589 I wasn't listening to the conversation. No, that is 642 00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:16,930 not a big deal. 643 00:19:16,931 --> 00:19:18,019 That's not a big deal. It's more of 644 00:19:18,020 --> 00:19:19,729 for the future. 645 00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:21,589 And also, I don't know if this helps 646 00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:23,749 me at all, because it's 647 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:25,190 just almost more distracting. 648 00:19:26,620 --> 00:19:28,159 But I think it does work better when 649 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,779 I'm tossing to you and it's not 650 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:31,339 going to Sean every time, or I take 651 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:33,400 it from you and ask Sean a question. 652 00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:36,479 So I guess what I did this time is 653 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,379 I said your name and then finished a 654 00:19:38,380 --> 00:19:40,059 sentence. What I can do in reverse 655 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:42,459 is say the sentence, say, Rich. 656 00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:45,399 Like I can double-tap Rich. 657 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,879 Like I- It shouldn't matter, man. 658 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,819 I should be able to- So Rich, Rich, 659 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:49,799 you know, and then da-da-da, Rich? 660 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,599 I can make it, I can lay it on a 661 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,600 little heavier. 662 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:56,409 I should recognize 663 00:19:56,410 --> 00:19:57,930 my own name, you would think, 664 00:19:59,150 --> 00:20:02,329 but maybe at 665 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:03,589 the end it would be alright. 666 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:05,569 Otherwise, I'd just vow to 667 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:07,949 pay more attention and not be as 668 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:09,909 nervous trying to get 669 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:10,930 ready for my answer. 670 00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:16,989 All right, are we going to try the 671 00:20:16,990 --> 00:20:17,990 open again? 672 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,060 Yeah, that's what we discussed in 673 00:20:20,061 --> 00:20:20,279 the... 674 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,259 Yeah, if we can. 675 00:20:21,260 --> 00:20:22,260 Might as well. We're all here. 676 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:28,629 It would probably I would probably 677 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:30,649 do a better job if you are able 678 00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:32,569 to just like flip it around So 679 00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:34,069 that I land on inside Wisconsin 680 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:36,189 politics Yeah, 681 00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:37,190 like you were there 682 00:20:44,140 --> 00:20:45,140 Digital bank flips. 683 00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:48,169 I think the end of the show would 684 00:20:48,170 --> 00:20:49,489 probably benefit from you saying, 685 00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:50,849 that's all we've got time for today, 686 00:20:50,850 --> 00:20:51,849 and then the close. 687 00:20:51,850 --> 00:20:52,629 Yeah. 688 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:54,289 Just as another signal to the 689 00:20:54,290 --> 00:20:55,809 audience. Otherwise, it might feel 690 00:20:55,810 --> 00:20:56,769 abrupt. 691 00:20:56,770 --> 00:20:58,289 If you finish a sentence, and then 692 00:20:58,290 --> 00:20:59,290 go to the close? Thank you. 693 00:21:00,170 --> 00:21:02,129 I thought I did, but maybe did 694 00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:03,130 I not? 695 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,079 No, I mean, I didn't hear anything. 696 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,299 I said thanks for joining us. 697 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:09,819 Maybe that was it. Yeah. 698 00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:11,239 Yeah, that's all we have time for. 699 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,240 That's good 700 00:21:12,810 --> 00:21:14,209 That's how Fred and I wrap most of 701 00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:15,429 our interviews. Like, oh, we'll have 702 00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:17,129 to leave it there, or that's all we 703 00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:17,739 have time for. 704 00:21:17,740 --> 00:21:19,419 It ain't me, we're just out of time, 705 00:21:19,420 --> 00:21:20,459 yeah, that makes sense. 706 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:21,559 It's just one of those another one 707 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,509 of the cues to the audience. 708 00:21:22,510 --> 00:21:23,979 That's good. 709 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:25,639 Otherwise it can feel abrupt as that 710 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,640 shift. 711 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:29,440 You could do the perky pig thing. 712 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,759 Could I see prompter? 713 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,799 It's not. 714 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,800 There we go. 715 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:39,359 So we have not stopped recording. 716 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:40,319 They're just getting their stuff together 717 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,139 back in the control room. 718 00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:42,140 We'll be ready to go very soon. 719 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:44,940 Hey, audio folks, 720 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,240 can you hear me? 721 00:21:48,239 --> 00:21:50,059 And so I've got my mic 722 00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:51,959 up, and I've the headphones up 723 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,339 to be able to hear them because the 724 00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:55,119 feed was a little quiet, but I'm 725 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,319 hearing some noise, man. 726 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,259 I'm hearin' like a 727 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:00,019 hum from lights and some kind of 728 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:02,039 ba-da-da, is that not comin' through 729 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,040 on your end? 730 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Sounds good to us. 731 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,479 Well, I mean, I 732 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,299 just felt terrible after the 733 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:17,179 fact last week when you guys 734 00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:18,379 said there was some issues, but if 735 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:19,919 you're not hearing it, then it's all 736 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,920 right. 737 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,939 Yeah, what's strange is it gets 738 00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:29,379 louder when I turn direct monitor 739 00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:30,599 off, so I don't know what the deal 740 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,600 is. 741 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,680 Anyway, doesn't matter. 742 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:38,410 Ahem. 743 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:46,329 Okay, you guys good to go? 744 00:22:46,330 --> 00:22:47,330 Yeah. 745 00:22:51,290 --> 00:22:52,989 The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is 746 00:22:52,990 --> 00:22:54,669 coming up and polling shows a 747 00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:56,089 majority of you say, you don't know 748 00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:57,429 enough about the candidates. 749 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:58,569 Let's fix that. 750 00:22:58,570 --> 00:22:59,829 I'm Sean Johnson here with my 751 00:22:59,830 --> 00:23:01,269 colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich 752 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:02,089 Kramer. 753 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:04,170 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 754 00:23:08,190 --> 00:23:09,190 Hey Rich Kramer. 755 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:13,780 Hello TV. 756 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:18,779 I'm just trying to imagine how we 757 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:19,599 would jump in. 758 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,769 I'll actually. 759 00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:21,129 Stand by. 760 00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:22,569 Ask a pertinent question afterward. 761 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:30,699 The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is 762 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,519 coming up and polling shows a 763 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,879 majority of you say, you don't know 764 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,059 enough about the candidates. 765 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,179 Let's fix that. 766 00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:37,559 I'm Sean Johnson here with my 767 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,179 colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich 768 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,059 Kramer. 769 00:23:40,060 --> 00:23:42,839 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 770 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,719 Hey guys. 771 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,079 Hello. Hey. 772 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,899 So the 2022 and 2025 773 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:48,339 elections were really big, Zach. 774 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:49,319 And this one's not as big. 775 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,879 What happened? Because there was no 776 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,880 election in 22. 777 00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:54,259 2023. 778 00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:55,159 Good. You catch. 779 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,419 You're trying to catch me there. 780 00:23:56,420 --> 00:23:57,420 Yeah, yeah. 781 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,419 I lived through that. 782 00:23:59,420 --> 00:24:00,619 I asked Proto-State what's how to 783 00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:01,620 say your name. 784 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:03,500 Oh, gosh. 785 00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:16,029 Okay, we're going to take a look at 786 00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:17,030 some light stuff. 787 00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:20,729 Do you need us here for that? 788 00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:21,730 Yes, we need them to stay there. 789 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:28,999 See how pretty we can make y'all 790 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000 look. 791 00:24:32,850 --> 00:24:34,809 The tweets working for you 792 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,960 I think it's quarter. 793 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:46,479 No, this is the first day I'm going 794 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,120 to try it, and we'll see how it 795 00:24:48,121 --> 00:24:49,121 goes. 796 00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:55,479 Yeah i mean it's in my my earbuds 797 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,439 it sounds like um some 798 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,619 kind of an interference from 799 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:01,519 a light because 800 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,159 it hears like it sounds like a 801 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,819 motorboat far away kind of like a 802 00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:06,820 like a kind 803 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,119 He's talking about motorboating. 804 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,930 I think he's talking to audio, Zach. 805 00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:14,820 You motorboatin' son of a bitch. 806 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:20,109 I would love to put together a 807 00:25:20,110 --> 00:25:21,929 blooper reel of 808 00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:23,210 rich statements. 809 00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:26,779 The stuff that comes out of his... 810 00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:28,839 We'll get, we'll 811 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,739 get ended. 812 00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:30,819 Oh God. 813 00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:32,319 The more comfortable he gets too, 814 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,659 the better material you're gonna 815 00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:33,849 get. 816 00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:35,710 Started with him going, Oh, what? 817 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,119 I'm glad he didn't curse. 818 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:42,760 He could have gone, oh shit. 819 00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:46,009 He could, I'm assuming you will 820 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:47,029 cut that out. 821 00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:49,309 Yes, we made a note. 822 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:51,209 We also souped you incorrectly at 823 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:52,069 first. 824 00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:53,130 As Anya? I think so. 825 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:55,789 Poor Anya. 826 00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:56,790 You look similar. 827 00:25:57,910 --> 00:25:59,789 Um, if 828 00:25:59,790 --> 00:26:01,109 you want, I mean you see how Zach 829 00:26:01,110 --> 00:26:02,410 put his off to the side. 830 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:05,730 Could do something like that. 831 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,589 We can have the audio people. 832 00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:11,939 No, I- 833 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:12,940 help us. 834 00:26:14,019 --> 00:26:15,939 I should have known 835 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:16,940 that. 836 00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:19,399 I never speak directly into a mic 837 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,400 like that. 838 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,779 I get up here and I forget how to 839 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:23,780 think. 840 00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:36,689 You didn't say anything about Elon 841 00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:38,009 Musk. 842 00:26:38,010 --> 00:26:39,010 That was Rich's job. 843 00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:45,229 An unforgettable moment. 844 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:45,969 Elias. 845 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:47,030 It was crazy, 846 00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:49,869 just straight up handing people 847 00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:50,870 money. 848 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:54,569 That kid still has that as his 849 00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:55,539 banner. I know. 850 00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:57,059 Rich asked him about it in an 851 00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,659 interview once, and the kid was 852 00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:59,660 like, 853 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,619 he just wouldn't answer it at 854 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:04,179 all. And then a week later, he puts 855 00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:05,180 it up on Twitter. 856 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:16,649 I think we're going to use just FYI, 857 00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:18,349 like the first five and a half 858 00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:20,009 minutes off the top for hearing 859 00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:21,010 them.