1 00:00:23,930 --> 00:00:25,709 The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is 2 00:00:25,710 --> 00:00:27,549 coming up and polling shows a 3 00:00:27,550 --> 00:00:28,969 majority of you say, you don't know 4 00:00:28,970 --> 00:00:30,329 enough about the candidates. 5 00:00:30,330 --> 00:00:31,289 Let's fix that. 6 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:33,189 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 7 00:00:33,190 --> 00:00:34,769 I'm Sean Johnson here with my 8 00:00:34,770 --> 00:00:36,429 colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich 9 00:00:36,430 --> 00:00:37,509 Kramer. Hey guys. 10 00:00:37,510 --> 00:00:38,789 Hello. Hey. 11 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:39,909 So this is not something we're just 12 00:00:39,910 --> 00:00:41,209 making up here. There has been 13 00:00:41,210 --> 00:00:43,069 polling on this race and the 14 00:00:43,070 --> 00:00:45,149 leading vote getter in that poll was 15 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:46,969 a majority people saying they 16 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:48,549 don't who they're gonna support. 17 00:00:48,550 --> 00:00:50,529 That is so different than in 2023 18 00:00:50,530 --> 00:00:52,629 and 2025 when we in Wisconsin 19 00:00:52,630 --> 00:00:54,709 were the Super Bowls of election 20 00:00:54,710 --> 00:00:56,789 for our Supreme Court races. 21 00:00:56,790 --> 00:00:58,629 So Zach, what is the difference this 22 00:00:58,630 --> 00:00:58,979 year? 23 00:00:58,980 --> 00:01:00,299 Well, the simple difference is this 24 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:01,599 isn't for the majority. 25 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,959 The liberals will have a four-person 26 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,659 majority for the next session, no 27 00:01:05,660 --> 00:01:06,599 matter what. 28 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,079 If Chris Taylor wins, it goes to 29 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,179 5-2. 30 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:11,159 If Maria Lazar wins, it stays at 31 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,039 4-3, but that simply is the 32 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,099 difference between $100 million in 33 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:16,739 campaign and the attention of the 34 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:18,179 world on this very important swing 35 00:01:18,180 --> 00:01:20,039 state and a court's decisions 36 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,079 on election laws versus 37 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,419 a snooze fest even in the state for 38 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:25,639 people that normally tune in for 39 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,759 these elections are still trying to 40 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,399 figure out, Oh, when is that coming 41 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:28,949 up? 42 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:30,809 And that's not hyperbole either. 43 00:01:30,810 --> 00:01:32,669 That $100 million was a real 44 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:34,869 number from last election when we 45 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:37,129 shattered the 2023 record, 46 00:01:37,130 --> 00:01:38,709 not just for Wisconsin, but for 47 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:40,569 national judicial races. 48 00:01:40,570 --> 00:01:42,569 Rich, the 2025 race 49 00:01:42,570 --> 00:01:44,149 was the first one you'd covered 50 00:01:44,150 --> 00:01:46,109 really closely. 51 00:01:46,110 --> 00:01:47,949 What was a 52 00:01:47,950 --> 00:01:49,949 day in life like on that one? 53 00:01:49,950 --> 00:01:51,969 And how does it compare to what 54 00:01:51,970 --> 00:01:53,409 you've observed in this Supreme 55 00:01:53,410 --> 00:01:54,410 Court race? 56 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:57,089 I mean, it's like night and day. 57 00:01:57,090 --> 00:01:59,689 I covered a Republican, 58 00:01:59,690 --> 00:02:01,289 former Republican Attorney General, 59 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:03,149 Brad Schimel, 60 00:02:03,150 --> 00:02:04,689 spent a day with him on the campaign 61 00:02:04,690 --> 00:02:06,529 trail. And, you know, first off the 62 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:08,388 bat, he took money directly from 63 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:10,729 the Republican Party of Wisconsin. 64 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:14,389 Also, I was at a campaign 65 00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:16,289 event at the Republican party 66 00:02:16,290 --> 00:02:18,209 in La Crosse, where 67 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:20,469 Brad Schimmel framed 68 00:02:20,470 --> 00:02:22,349 the race as a fight 69 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:23,389 between good and evil. 70 00:02:23,390 --> 00:02:25,439 And he also 71 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,479 used an analogy of driving 72 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,159 the serpent out of the garden of 73 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Eden. 74 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,039 The language used by Schimel 75 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,619 is very different than what we've 76 00:02:35,620 --> 00:02:37,539 seen from Judge Lazar. 77 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,579 She's promoting that she is the 78 00:02:40,580 --> 00:02:42,499 independent candidate compared to 79 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:44,059 Chris Taylor, who she attacks as 80 00:02:44,060 --> 00:02:45,899 being an activist and 81 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:47,259 former Democratic lawmaker. 82 00:02:47,260 --> 00:02:48,799 But she just hasn't made the same 83 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,679 kind of statements that I've 84 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,659 heard that Schimmel did last 85 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:53,639 year. 86 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:55,399 It's almost like an old fashioned 87 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,519 Supreme Court race in Wisconsin, 88 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,059 Zach. 89 00:02:58,060 --> 00:02:59,779 It harkens back to a day where 90 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:01,859 things weren't as heated, that your 91 00:03:01,860 --> 00:03:03,799 TV wasn't filled with ads nonstop 92 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,939 in the lead up to it, where you 93 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:06,879 really did have to pay attention to 94 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,559 learn who these people were. 95 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,639 Now, it's still Republican 96 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,359 Democrat. They may use the labels 97 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,219 conservative, liberal, but Chris 98 00:03:14,220 --> 00:03:15,839 Taylor is a former legislative 99 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,639 Democrat, but now independent judge. 100 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:20,799 But her connection to the Democratic 101 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,699 Party run deep. 102 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:22,919 Lazar's connection to Republican 103 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:24,519 Party go deep. 104 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,319 I've attended multiple events with 105 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,069 her where she's been speaking at. 106 00:03:28,070 --> 00:03:29,949 GOP rallies with the next 107 00:03:29,950 --> 00:03:32,049 speaker is Eric Tony running for 108 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:33,549 attorney general. So it's not like 109 00:03:33,550 --> 00:03:34,809 either these are running down 110 00:03:34,810 --> 00:03:36,069 independent lanes They're still 111 00:03:36,070 --> 00:03:37,829 following that traditional the new 112 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:38,949 path If you want to become on the 113 00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:40,969 Supreme Court you keep the political 114 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:43,029 parties at arm's length in your name 115 00:03:43,030 --> 00:03:44,709 But you take all the money under the 116 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:45,949 table you take their effort for 117 00:03:45,950 --> 00:03:47,169 grassroots because that really 118 00:03:47,170 --> 00:03:49,069 matters when When it comes to 119 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:50,409 getting people out to vote those 120 00:03:50,410 --> 00:03:51,949 turnout operations those dollar 121 00:03:51,950 --> 00:03:53,369 operations still belong to the 122 00:03:53,370 --> 00:03:54,929 parties There is no independent 123 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:56,109 structure for anyone to remain 124 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:57,549 independent and actually win a 125 00:03:57,550 --> 00:03:58,879 campaign 126 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,259 So let's talk about the candidates 127 00:04:00,260 --> 00:04:01,359 here. 128 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,419 Let's start with Chris Taylor. 129 00:04:02,420 --> 00:04:04,559 She got into the race first. 130 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,459 Zach, what should people know about 131 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:09,459 Chris Taylor's background and what 132 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:11,159 led her to this point? 133 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:11,969 Well, the. 134 00:04:11,970 --> 00:04:13,549 The clearest thing is she had worked 135 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:15,689 for abortion rights groups 136 00:04:15,690 --> 00:04:17,689 before she became a member of 137 00:04:17,690 --> 00:04:19,609 the legislature. She ran as a 138 00:04:19,610 --> 00:04:21,629 Democrat in assembly race in the 139 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:22,509 Dane County area. 140 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:24,329 I cover that race way back when 141 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:26,049 she was here through a lot of the 142 00:04:26,050 --> 00:04:27,769 tumultuous times in the Capitol. 143 00:04:27,770 --> 00:04:28,949 And then she left. 144 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:30,389 She was appointed a Dane county 145 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:31,889 judge by Governor Evers. 146 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:34,029 Then she ran for the appellate 147 00:04:34,030 --> 00:04:35,369 court and became a judge there, 148 00:04:35,370 --> 00:04:36,829 which is what she's doing today. 149 00:04:36,830 --> 00:04:38,609 So she has followed the judicial 150 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:39,399 pattern. 151 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,239 But she's got heavy partisan 152 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,719 activity in her background. 153 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,399 And she doesn't deny that, but like 154 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,879 every judge or justice, she won't be 155 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,179 the first one. I mean, former 156 00:04:47,180 --> 00:04:49,239 Justice Prosser served 157 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,359 as the assembly speaker for 158 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,019 Republicans and back in a day when 159 00:04:52,020 --> 00:04:53,019 they could say, well, I'm a 160 00:04:53,020 --> 00:04:54,659 conservative justice, not a 161 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:56,359 conservative politician. 162 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,739 With Chris Taylor in this modern 163 00:04:57,740 --> 00:04:58,919 environment, I don't know if it 164 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,059 really matters because the 165 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:01,079 candidates are so tied to the 166 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,419 parties anyway that her background 167 00:05:02,420 --> 00:05:04,039 doesn't seem to have any baggage. 168 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,579 And we saw with Brad Schimel, Rich, 169 00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:07,339 as you were talking about last year, 170 00:05:07,340 --> 00:05:08,699 He's a former Republican attorney 171 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:09,999 general for Wisconsin, and he did 172 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,819 not shy away from those Republican 173 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:13,679 connections, but you see 174 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,879 a difference with Lazar and how 175 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,880 she's handled herself. 176 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:22,059 Oh, sorry. 177 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:22,999 Yeah, exactly. 178 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 The 179 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:27,499 Lizar has been focusing on 180 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:29,499 her career in the courtroom. 181 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:31,499 She's been a lawyer 182 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:32,860 since 1989. 183 00:05:34,260 --> 00:05:35,939 She worked for the Department of 184 00:05:35,940 --> 00:05:37,759 Justice under former Republican 185 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,179 Attorney General J.B. 186 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:40,180 Van Hollen. 187 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:43,919 And that was in the early years of 188 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,239 Republican control of state 189 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,219 government. So after 2011, when 190 00:05:47,220 --> 00:05:49,179 a lot of laws were passed, that 191 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:51,179 wound up in court. 192 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:53,119 Democrats tried to sue to 193 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,059 stop voting maps passed 194 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:57,059 by Republicans, 195 00:05:57,060 --> 00:05:59,239 abortion restrictions, and 196 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,659 Act 10. 197 00:06:00,660 --> 00:06:02,599 So Maria Lazar, as an assistant 198 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,499 DOJ attorney, 199 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:07,139 was representing 200 00:06:07,140 --> 00:06:09,079 the state and defending those. 201 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,339 And she was elected to 202 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:13,379 the Waukesha County Circuit Court, 203 00:06:13,380 --> 00:06:15,459 but both of 204 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:17,479 her races there were unopposed. 205 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,819 And then In 2022, she became 206 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:21,939 a judge on the Second District 207 00:06:21,940 --> 00:06:23,639 Court of Appeals. 208 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,839 So, but to your point, 209 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:29,039 yes, she's leaning on her 210 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,939 experience in the courtroom, 211 00:06:30,940 --> 00:06:33,279 but also her 212 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:35,259 political ads kind of let you know 213 00:06:35,260 --> 00:06:37,099 where she stands on certain things, 214 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:39,539 or at least where her campaign does. 215 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:40,759 So there's plenty of signals out 216 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:41,760 there. 217 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:43,609 Some of these candidates, when they 218 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:45,529 run for Supreme Court, they 219 00:06:45,530 --> 00:06:47,289 come from the law. 220 00:06:47,290 --> 00:06:48,509 And maybe you're hearing about them 221 00:06:48,510 --> 00:06:49,629 for the first time or getting 222 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:50,850 introduced to them for first time. 223 00:06:52,170 --> 00:06:54,209 But Chris Taylor and Maria Lazar, as 224 00:06:54,210 --> 00:06:55,329 you both mentioned, have been around 225 00:06:55,330 --> 00:06:56,249 for a little while. 226 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:58,529 I remember Maria Lazar defending 227 00:06:58,530 --> 00:07:00,789 Republican-drawn legislative 228 00:07:00,790 --> 00:07:02,848 maps in 2012 229 00:07:02,849 --> 00:07:04,769 alongside co-counsel Dan 230 00:07:04,770 --> 00:07:06,609 Kelly, former Supreme Court 231 00:07:06,610 --> 00:07:09,229 justice and who ran in 232 00:07:09,230 --> 00:07:11,879 a couple of races in loss. 233 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,659 I remember Chris Taylor very well 234 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:15,979 for her role in 235 00:07:15,980 --> 00:07:17,639 the minority on the legislature's 236 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,299 budget committee, where if you have 237 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,179 that position, you are expected 238 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:23,299 to be able to talk and defend every 239 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,579 position and attack 240 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:27,039 the majority's position 241 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,399 aggressively. 242 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,219 And so she did that well. 243 00:07:29,220 --> 00:07:30,819 She wasn't just a backbencher 244 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:32,439 legislator. She was the person who 245 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,299 was on that front line of 246 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:35,639 attack. 247 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,539 And since she's become a 248 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,319 judge, that's changed. 249 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,719 And she has indicated, and her 250 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,979 friends have indicated, look, she 251 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:43,479 knows this is a different role on 252 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,359 the court. But it is striking 253 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,299 a very big change for her 254 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,699 to go from that attack, 255 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:51,579 attack, attack Democratic legislator 256 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:53,419 to a judge going to see 257 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:54,420 things differently. 258 00:07:55,860 --> 00:07:57,799 You mentioned those ads, Rich, 259 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,639 from Maria Lazar. 260 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,099 She is trying to go for this 261 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:04,039 kind of above-it-all judge. 262 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,439 I don't want to get into politics. 263 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,799 The ads are, they tell a different 264 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:08,839 story though. I mean, she's 265 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,739 definitely not going that way 266 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:11,740 with her campaign. 267 00:08:13,190 --> 00:08:15,649 Yeah, the ads have focused on 268 00:08:15,650 --> 00:08:17,849 basically attacking Taylor 269 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:20,529 on things like abortion. 270 00:08:20,530 --> 00:08:22,709 Lazar's campaign ads say that, 271 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:24,449 you know, Taylor wants abortion up 272 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:26,569 to the moment of birth, which is 273 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:27,749 a line you've heard a lot of 274 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:30,049 Republicans say over the years. 275 00:08:30,050 --> 00:08:31,989 And the latest one 276 00:08:31,990 --> 00:08:34,129 that I think just came out this 277 00:08:34,130 --> 00:08:36,449 week features 278 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:38,408 a woman saying that she's afraid of 279 00:08:38,409 --> 00:08:39,849 her daughter having to compete 280 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:41,869 against biological men in 281 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:42,929 school sports. 282 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:46,109 Republican themes pulled right from 283 00:08:46,110 --> 00:08:47,749 congressional races and state 284 00:08:47,750 --> 00:08:50,389 assembly races, governor races, 285 00:08:50,390 --> 00:08:51,449 hitting the points that worked for 286 00:08:51,450 --> 00:08:52,519 them. 287 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,419 Yeah. So the ad lays out the 288 00:08:54,420 --> 00:08:55,599 political part of it. 289 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,739 And then you've got a picture of 290 00:08:57,740 --> 00:08:59,619 Lazar saying that she'll uphold the 291 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:01,259 law. So it seems like she's still 292 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:03,419 trying to walk that line, 293 00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:05,239 but, you know, the ads do send a 294 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,139 signal. 295 00:09:06,140 --> 00:09:08,619 So let me ask you, so we've 296 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:10,539 seen low turnout elections in the 297 00:09:10,540 --> 00:09:12,379 past, and that was at a time when 298 00:09:12,380 --> 00:09:14,139 conservatives really won a lot of 299 00:09:14,140 --> 00:09:15,679 these races. When there was lower 300 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,659 turnout, when their consistent 301 00:09:17,660 --> 00:09:19,779 voters from the suburbs of Milwaukee 302 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:21,799 came out to vote no matter what, and 303 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:22,839 the liberal candidates really 304 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,179 struggled to get the attention that 305 00:09:24,180 --> 00:09:25,759 they needed to win these races, and 306 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,779 then we saw things flip from 307 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:30,139 Rebecca Dalat on in 2018. 308 00:09:30,140 --> 00:09:31,899 So what do you see as the impact of 309 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:33,579 less attention right now on this 310 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:34,729 race? 311 00:09:34,730 --> 00:09:36,689 I think we'll 312 00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:38,609 find out what a less attention race 313 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:39,789 means here. 314 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:42,289 I think, though, in the era of 315 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:44,149 Donald Trump, for one, since 316 00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:45,769 Donald Trump realigned the 317 00:09:45,770 --> 00:09:47,889 Republican Party and its base of 318 00:09:47,890 --> 00:09:49,829 voters, a base that reliably 319 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:52,069 elected conservative justices 320 00:09:52,070 --> 00:09:54,309 for many years up until around 321 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:55,310 2017, 322 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:58,569 we don't know what that shift is 323 00:09:58,570 --> 00:10:00,149 mean in a lower turnout election, 324 00:10:00,150 --> 00:10:02,309 but we know that Conservatives 325 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:03,829 start out at kind of a structural 326 00:10:03,830 --> 00:10:06,269 disadvantage in these races. 327 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:08,189 And we also know that liberals have 328 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:10,189 just found a pattern for what 329 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:12,069 it takes to run, talk about 330 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:13,449 their values. 331 00:10:13,450 --> 00:10:15,649 They're not afraid to talk about 332 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:17,349 cases that have happened. 333 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:19,289 They are not afraid talk about 334 00:10:19,290 --> 00:10:20,369 women's health. 335 00:10:20,370 --> 00:10:22,169 And it's just been a winning formula 336 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:23,170 for them. 337 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:25,869 Really, since 2018, with 338 00:10:25,870 --> 00:10:28,349 one exception in 2019, that 339 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:30,349 has been the liberal path 340 00:10:30,350 --> 00:10:31,189 to victory. 341 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:33,289 Year in and year out. 342 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:35,009 So there have been a couple cases, 343 00:10:35,010 --> 00:10:36,729 Zach, that you have asked both 344 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:38,089 candidates about. 345 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:39,629 We actually got to hear them. 346 00:10:39,630 --> 00:10:41,029 You gave them a chance anyway to 347 00:10:41,030 --> 00:10:42,629 weigh in on some very high profile 348 00:10:42,630 --> 00:10:44,469 races that came before the Wisconsin 349 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:46,229 Supreme Court. 350 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:48,089 Let's look at those if we 351 00:10:48,090 --> 00:10:50,209 can. There was one about the 2020 352 00:10:50,210 --> 00:10:52,089 election, which we will be talking 353 00:10:52,090 --> 00:10:54,829 about forever as reporters, I think. 354 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:56,669 And this was a, there were a lot of 355 00:10:56,670 --> 00:10:58,189 challenges to the election results 356 00:10:58,190 --> 00:10:59,649 and Joe Biden's victory in 357 00:10:59,650 --> 00:11:00,689 Wisconsin. 358 00:11:00,690 --> 00:11:01,949 That came before the Wisconsin 359 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:03,829 Supreme Court, what did you ask 360 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:04,349 the candidate? 361 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:06,409 So the case that was ultimately 362 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:07,989 decided that election in Wisconsin 363 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:09,069 was called Trump v. 364 00:11:09,070 --> 00:11:11,069 Biden and it was brought by Trump's 365 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:12,529 lawyers, one of which is Jim Troupis 366 00:11:12,530 --> 00:11:14,509 who is currently being prosecuted 367 00:11:14,510 --> 00:11:16,429 in Dane County Court for forgery 368 00:11:16,430 --> 00:11:18,489 related to the false electors thing 369 00:11:18,490 --> 00:11:20,189 tied in around the same time period. 370 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:21,809 It's a very small world in law. 371 00:11:21,810 --> 00:11:24,069 Especially in political lawyers' 372 00:11:24,070 --> 00:11:25,969 times. But yes, that case went all 373 00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:26,969 the way to the Supreme Court and the 374 00:11:26,970 --> 00:11:27,849 question was the Trump 375 00:11:27,850 --> 00:11:29,749 administration or the Trump campaign 376 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:31,609 wanted to 100,000 votes 377 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:33,729 in Wisconsin specifically in Dana, 378 00:11:33,730 --> 00:11:35,259 Milwaukee counties Regarding 379 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:36,819 absentee ballots and the question 380 00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:38,659 before the Supreme Court was should 381 00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:39,859 they even take the case? 382 00:11:39,860 --> 00:11:41,479 So the question was standing in the 383 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,419 legal sense of did 384 00:11:43,420 --> 00:11:45,079 Donald Trump and his campaign have a 385 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,719 legal right to even file a lawsuit? 386 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,679 In the first place Ultimately, 387 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:50,339 it was a four three decision and 388 00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:51,499 this is a time when conservatives 389 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:52,819 controlled the court four to three 390 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:54,639 that said no We won't take the 391 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,839 it was Brian Hagedorn Who 392 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,159 ultimately sided with the three 393 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,119 liberals to throw out the case that 394 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,659 solidified the win Biden won 395 00:12:02,660 --> 00:12:04,679 Wisconsin definitively election 396 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,499 conspiracies be damned, and 397 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:07,979 it was the three conservatives who 398 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:09,879 didn't necessarily say they would 399 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,059 have thrown out the votes, but they 400 00:12:11,060 --> 00:12:12,379 said we should at least hear the 401 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:13,439 case. 402 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,719 When I asked both candidates about 403 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,299 this, Chris Taylor was absolutely on 404 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:17,499 the side of the liberal candidates 405 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:19,059 saying, of course, they made the 406 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:20,719 right decision and they never should 407 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:21,619 have thrown those votes, should have 408 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:22,959 never gotten that far. 409 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,359 It was Maria Lazar who really didn't 410 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,459 want to take a position on it 411 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:26,999 because she said the issue of 412 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,419 standing is still going to come back 413 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:29,659 before this court, which is 414 00:12:30,699 --> 00:12:32,159 and she wouldn't even go the one 415 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,849 step further because I asked her. 416 00:12:33,850 --> 00:12:35,229 Point blank, like there are people 417 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:36,149 who are going to hear this answer 418 00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:37,209 and say, well, what about the 419 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:38,569 200,000 votes that we're going to 420 00:12:38,570 --> 00:12:39,409 get thrown out? 421 00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:40,649 And she said, well, I don't want to 422 00:12:40,650 --> 00:12:41,729 weigh in on that. I don't want to 423 00:12:41,730 --> 00:12:42,689 talk about that. 424 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:44,029 And that was just a place she wasn't 425 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:45,149 willing to go. 426 00:12:45,150 --> 00:12:46,709 And the Democratic party and 427 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:48,029 Taylor's campaign immediately jumped 428 00:12:48,030 --> 00:12:49,689 all over that saying, she's still 429 00:12:49,690 --> 00:12:51,309 connected to election deniers and 430 00:12:51,310 --> 00:12:53,769 conspiracy and this whole issue. 431 00:12:53,770 --> 00:12:55,509 So, you know, the 2020 election will 432 00:12:55,510 --> 00:12:57,349 not go away. It's still present and 433 00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:59,449 it's present in their answers too. 434 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:01,389 And Rich, two things can 435 00:13:01,390 --> 00:13:03,289 be true. That is a position 436 00:13:03,290 --> 00:13:04,909 that a lawyer can take, that look, 437 00:13:04,910 --> 00:13:06,349 this has to deal with standing, 438 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:07,909 we're not gonna get into it. 439 00:13:07,910 --> 00:13:09,489 Another thing that is undeniably 440 00:13:09,490 --> 00:13:11,549 true is that there are people 441 00:13:11,550 --> 00:13:13,469 in Maria Lazar's base 442 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:15,729 or the conservative base who 443 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:17,429 have strong feelings about the 2020 444 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:18,430 election. 445 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:21,629 Yeah, they absolutely do. 446 00:13:21,630 --> 00:13:23,449 So, in 2022, 447 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:25,449 she was endorsed by 448 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:27,029 people, she was attacked for being 449 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:28,489 endorsed by people like Michael 450 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:30,289 Gabelman and also for associating 451 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:31,849 with trupists. 452 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:33,529 Gabelmen is a former Supreme Court 453 00:13:33,530 --> 00:13:35,849 Justice who led the 454 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:37,929 2020 election 455 00:13:37,930 --> 00:13:39,809 investigation that was kind 456 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:41,949 of widely panned and 457 00:13:41,950 --> 00:13:43,969 also he was fired by 458 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:46,069 Assembly Assembly 459 00:13:46,070 --> 00:13:47,769 Speaker Robin Voss. 460 00:13:47,770 --> 00:13:49,369 Who had hired him before. 461 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:50,789 I mean, it was a whole thing. 462 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:52,269 So she's still getting. 463 00:13:55,139 --> 00:13:56,979 Hit for even associating 464 00:13:56,980 --> 00:13:58,739 with those two people. 465 00:13:58,740 --> 00:13:59,979 But yeah, the standing issue, the 466 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:01,519 other thing that comes to mind is 467 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,319 I've, you know, we've heard the 468 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,679 President, President Donald Trump 469 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:06,559 say well, you, 470 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:07,819 know, all those cases, they never 471 00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:08,739 looked at the cases. 472 00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:10,499 They just found these technicalities 473 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:11,499 and they tossed them out. 474 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:12,379 That's not true. 475 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:13,879 There was plenty of cases that were 476 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,739 dismissed on the merits, lack of 477 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:16,699 evidence, etc. 478 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:18,599 But it just kind of reminded 479 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,059 me of that when I heard that answer 480 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:21,019 from Lazar. 481 00:14:21,020 --> 00:14:22,599 And I've seen that same answer from 482 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,299 a lot of people who do believe that. 483 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:24,979 The 2020 election. 484 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:26,459 Was stolen. 485 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:27,579 And Zach I feel like we can't talk 486 00:14:27,580 --> 00:14:29,519 about a court race in Wisconsin 487 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,379 these days without talking about the 488 00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:33,239 issue of abortion. 489 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,439 That's another one where you ask the 490 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,799 candidates about their 491 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,759 positions. 492 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,979 What was your question and how did 493 00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:39,839 they handle that? 494 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,719 Specifically the question was how 495 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,219 would they have decided if they have 496 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:44,859 been on the court when call versus 497 00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:45,959 or Manskey? 498 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,959 Was brought before the court to be 499 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,819 clear that was the case that 500 00:14:49,820 --> 00:14:51,279 looked to throw out the 1849 501 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,119 abortion ban from Wisconsin That was 502 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,279 the Attorney General suing 503 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,679 Subway again, that wasn't the point. 504 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,879 It was that was what the case was 505 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,859 called Four three the 506 00:14:59,860 --> 00:15:01,859 liberal majority throughout that law 507 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:03,839 said it was annulled essentially by 508 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,659 laws passed after that specifically 509 00:15:05,660 --> 00:15:07,259 won by Scott Walker and the 510 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:09,219 Republicans And Chris 511 00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:10,459 Taylor said it was absolutely the 512 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:11,759 correct decision. 513 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,599 Maria Lazar, once again, didn't say 514 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,839 how she would have voted, but she 515 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,039 kind of answered it in the end of 516 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,799 her answer by saying, well, if I 517 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,639 win, it'll still be a 4-3 to 518 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,459 court. So I wouldn't have 519 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:24,259 changed the outcome of that case, 520 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:26,199 which sounds a lot like her saying 521 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,599 she would've decided with the 522 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,519 conservatives on the case, which 523 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,379 really shouldn't be all that 524 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:31,039 shocking. Those are who her 525 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,939 colleagues would be if she 526 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:34,699 wins and then another conservative 527 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:35,839 wins, then she would be in the 528 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,759 majority. 529 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,679 Who knows? That is the question that 530 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:39,839 Taylor and other people are saying, 531 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,299 was if the court flips again, will 532 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:42,859 abortion rights come up before the 533 00:15:42,860 --> 00:15:44,699 court? I will say Lazar finished 534 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:46,419 her answer by saying, however, she 535 00:15:46,420 --> 00:15:48,339 views that Supreme Court decision as 536 00:15:48,340 --> 00:15:50,099 final and that the abortion issue is 537 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:51,319 settled as far as the courts are 538 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,319 determined. 539 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,619 Obviously it's not settled when it 540 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:55,159 comes to gubernatorial and 541 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,659 legislative elections. 542 00:15:56,660 --> 00:15:58,039 So those will still play out. 543 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,019 And we're going to be covering a lot 544 00:15:59,020 --> 00:16:01,299 of that coming up, but their answers 545 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:02,659 kind of fell into the camps that you 546 00:16:02,660 --> 00:16:03,959 might expect them to, especially 547 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,959 given their messaging and ads. 548 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,179 And Rich, there was another 549 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:09,419 finding in the Marquette poll that 550 00:16:09,420 --> 00:16:11,499 we recently covered that, 551 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:12,519 you know, it's hard to say where 552 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,759 people stand on the candidates when 553 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,479 more than half of voters say they 554 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,279 don't know. But what we did see, 555 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,179 what you saw, there's a lot 556 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:21,239 of tells in there about which side 557 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,099 is more enthusiastic right now 558 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:25,079 at this moment in time. 559 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:25,939 Yeah, big time. 560 00:16:25,940 --> 00:16:28,019 There was a big disparity in terms 561 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:29,659 of who's excited to vote in the 562 00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:30,819 April 7th election. 563 00:16:30,820 --> 00:16:33,079 So some numbers I'll run off here. 564 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,379 People saying that they're certain 565 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:36,359 to vote on April 566 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,279 7, Democrats are up 18 567 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,899 points over Republicans. 568 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,499 How important the election is 569 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:45,479 to the outcome, or how important is 570 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,359 the election outcome to you? 571 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,259 That was a 19-point spread 572 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:51,159 in Democrats' favor as well, 573 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,619 so there's all kinds of metrics, and 574 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:54,319 not to mention that President Trump 575 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,439 had his lowest net negative approval 576 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,499 rating in Marquette poll 577 00:16:58,500 --> 00:16:59,819 history. 578 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:02,159 So those are all some headwinds for 579 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,399 conservative candidates. 580 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,799 Zach, I guess, against that 581 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,858 backdrop, what can 582 00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:09,539 Maria Lazar point to and say? 583 00:17:09,540 --> 00:17:11,599 I got a good chance, nonetheless. 584 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,519 The quick answer is she's relying on 585 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,039 Hagedorn's race from 2019. 586 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,118 Like her, he was another 587 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,759 conservative candidate who was 588 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,479 vastly outspent and written off 589 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,479 towards the end of the race. 590 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,598 People thought that he was not going 591 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,499 to win, so much so that the liberal 592 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:26,239 candidate at the time really took 593 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,559 her foot off the pedal when it came 594 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,499 to running through the finish line. 595 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,359 Lazar directly points to that race 596 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:32,819 and says, that's the path to follow. 597 00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:33,739 That's get out the vote. 598 00:17:33,740 --> 00:17:35,499 That's grassroots advocacy. 599 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:37,059 If we can't win on ads, we have to 600 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:38,299 make sure our voters get to the 601 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:39,859 polls, especially in a lower turnout 602 00:17:39,860 --> 00:17:40,679 election. 603 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,259 Taylor said she's aware of it, she's 604 00:17:42,260 --> 00:17:43,339 gonna run through the tape, not 605 00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:44,939 letting off the pedal at all. 606 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:46,559 And she is running a different kind 607 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,539 of race than the Judge Neubauer 608 00:17:48,540 --> 00:17:50,879 who ran in that year's race, 609 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,339 you know, ran, I mean, you mentioned 610 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:54,719 it, taking her feet off the pedal. 611 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,699 She ran more like a judge than a 612 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,359 candidate, I guess, in that race. 613 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,199 So we'll see how that plays out in 614 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,119 the closing days. 615 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:03,199 Thanks for joining us for this 616 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,819 week's Inside Wisconsin Politics. 617 00:18:04,820 --> 00:18:06,359 Our colleague Anya Van Weckendorf 618 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:07,879 will be back next week. 619 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,939 Be sure to follow us on 620 00:18:08,940 --> 00:18:11,539 pbswisconsin.org, wpr.org 621 00:18:11,540 --> 00:18:13,399 YouTube, or wherever you get 622 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,400 your podcasts. 623 00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:47,329 Are they going to be able to edit 624 00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:48,349 that together? I'm sure we'll be 625 00:18:48,350 --> 00:18:49,350 able cut that out. 626 00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:52,969 So my question for future 627 00:18:52,970 --> 00:18:55,029 references was my cue too 628 00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:56,029 subtle? 629 00:18:56,030 --> 00:18:58,269 Because I said your name and then 630 00:18:58,270 --> 00:18:59,479 left it. 631 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,299 I don't think so because I was 632 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,099 just too nervous. I didn't hear it. 633 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:04,859 I was just waiting for Sean voice 634 00:19:04,860 --> 00:19:06,300 and so you say 635 00:19:06,301 --> 00:19:07,659 He wasn't paying attention to me at 636 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:07,889 all 637 00:19:07,890 --> 00:19:09,730 Well that's not what I'm admitting. 638 00:19:11,050 --> 00:19:13,149 You can infer what you like but yeah 639 00:19:13,150 --> 00:19:14,929 I got it I was just so nervous I was 640 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:16,131 too in my head I wasn't listening to 641 00:19:16,132 --> 00:19:16,929 the conversation. No that's not a big 642 00:19:16,930 --> 00:19:16,930 deal. 643 00:19:16,931 --> 00:19:18,019 That's not a big deal. It's more of 644 00:19:18,020 --> 00:19:19,729 for the future. 645 00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:21,589 And also, I don't know if this helps 646 00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:23,749 me at all, because it's 647 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:25,190 just almost more distracting. 648 00:19:26,620 --> 00:19:28,159 But I think it does work better when 649 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,779 I'm tossing to you and it's not 650 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:31,339 going to Sean every time, or I take 651 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:33,440 it from you and ask Sean a question. 652 00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:36,499 So I guess what I did this time is 653 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:38,379 I said your name and then finished a 654 00:19:38,380 --> 00:19:40,079 sentence. What I can do in reverse 655 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,459 is say the sentence, say, Rich. 656 00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:45,419 Like I can double tap Rich. 657 00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:46,879 Like I- It shouldn't matter, man. 658 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,680 I should be able to- So Rich, you 659 00:19:47,681 --> 00:19:49,819 know, and then da-da-da, Rich? 660 00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:51,599 I can make it, I can lay it on a 661 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,600 little heavier. 662 00:19:53,950 --> 00:19:56,409 I should recognize 663 00:19:56,410 --> 00:19:57,910 my own name, you would think, 664 00:19:59,150 --> 00:20:02,349 but maybe at 665 00:20:02,350 --> 00:20:03,589 the end it would be alright. 666 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:05,569 Otherwise, I'd just vow to 667 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:07,949 pay more attention and not be as 668 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:09,909 nervous trying to get 669 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:10,930 ready for my answer. 670 00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:17,309 All right, are we gonna try the open 671 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:18,310 again? 672 00:20:18,910 --> 00:20:20,050 Yeah, that's what we discussed in 673 00:20:20,051 --> 00:20:20,379 the... 674 00:20:20,380 --> 00:20:20,869 If we can 675 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:21,789 Might as well. 676 00:20:21,790 --> 00:20:22,790 We're all here. 677 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:28,629 It would probably I would probably 678 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:30,649 do a better job if you are able 679 00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:32,589 to just like flip it around So 680 00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:34,069 that I land on inside Wisconsin 681 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:36,189 politics Yeah, 682 00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:37,190 like you were there 683 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,160 Digital bank flips. 684 00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:48,169 I think the end of the show would 685 00:20:48,170 --> 00:20:49,489 probably benefit from you saying, 686 00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:50,849 that's all we've got time for today, 687 00:20:50,850 --> 00:20:51,849 and then the close. 688 00:20:51,850 --> 00:20:52,629 Yeah. 689 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:54,269 Just as another signal to the 690 00:20:54,270 --> 00:20:55,809 audience. Otherwise, it might feel 691 00:20:55,810 --> 00:20:57,749 abrupt for you to finish a 692 00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:58,910 sentence and then go to the close? 693 00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:02,109 I thought I did, but maybe did 694 00:21:02,110 --> 00:21:03,110 I not? 695 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:06,259 No, I mean, I didn't hear anything. 696 00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:07,599 You finished you said thanks for 697 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,019 joining us. Maybe that was it. 698 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:10,979 Yeah. Yeah, that's all we have time 699 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:11,980 for that's good 700 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,539 interviews, like, oh, we'll have to 701 00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:17,139 leave it there, or that's all we 702 00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:18,019 have time for. 703 00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:19,439 It ain't me, we're just out of time. 704 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,929 Yeah, that makes sense. 705 00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:21,969 Of those another one of those cues 706 00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:22,549 to the audience. 707 00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:23,979 That's good. 708 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:25,399 Otherwise, it can feel abrupt as 709 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,400 that shift. 710 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:29,440 You could do the perky pig thing. 711 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:31,619 Could I see prompter? 712 00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:32,819 Fishing for the right. 713 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:33,859 It's not. 714 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:34,860 There we go. 715 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:39,359 So we have not stopped recording. 716 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:40,319 They're just getting their stuff together 717 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,139 back in the control room. 718 00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:42,140 We'll be ready to go very soon. 719 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,119 Yeah, that looks good, Joe. 720 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:47,119 Audio folks, can you hear me? 721 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,619 So I've got my mic up, and 722 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:52,219 I've got the headphones up to be 723 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:53,419 able to hear them, because the feed 724 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:54,479 was a little quiet. 725 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,339 But I'm hearing some noise, man. 726 00:21:56,340 --> 00:21:58,379 I'm here in a hum 727 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:00,039 from lights and some kind of 728 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,999 ba-da-da. 729 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,359 Is that not coming through on your 730 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:03,360 end? 731 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,080 Sounds good to us. 732 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,459 Well, I mean, I 733 00:22:13,460 --> 00:22:15,299 just, I felt terrible after the 734 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:17,159 fact last week when you guys 735 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,379 said there was some issues, but if 736 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:19,899 you're not hearing it, then it's all 737 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:20,900 right. 738 00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:27,929 Yeah, what's strange is it gets 739 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:29,389 louder when I turn direct monitor 740 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:30,609 off, so I don't know what the deal 741 00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:31,610 is. 742 00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:33,710 Anyway, doesn't matter. 743 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:38,410 Ahem. 744 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:46,289 Okay, you guys good to go? 745 00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:47,290 Yeah. 746 00:22:51,290 --> 00:22:52,989 The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is 747 00:22:52,990 --> 00:22:54,669 coming up and polling shows a 748 00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:56,089 majority of you say you don't know 749 00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:57,429 enough about the candidates. 750 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:58,549 Let's fix that. 751 00:22:58,550 --> 00:22:59,829 I'm Sean Johnson here with my 752 00:22:59,830 --> 00:23:01,269 colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich 753 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:02,089 Kramer. 754 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:04,170 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 755 00:23:08,190 --> 00:23:09,190 Hey, Rich Kramer. 756 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:13,780 Hello TV. 757 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:18,959 Just trying to imagine how we would 758 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,769 jump in. I'll actually. 759 00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:21,129 Stand by. 760 00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:22,569 Ask a pertinent question afterward. 761 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:30,699 The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is 762 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,519 coming up and polling shows a 763 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,879 majority of you say, you don't know 764 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,059 enough about the candidates. 765 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,179 Let's fix that. 766 00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:37,559 I'm Sean Johnson here with my 767 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,179 colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich 768 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,059 Kramer. 769 00:23:40,060 --> 00:23:42,839 This is Inside Wisconsin Politics. 770 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,699 Hey guys. 771 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:45,079 Hello. Hey. 772 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,899 So the 2022 and 2025 773 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:48,339 elections were really big, Zach. 774 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:49,379 And this one's not as big. 775 00:23:49,380 --> 00:23:50,879 What happened? Because there was no 776 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,959 election in 2022. 777 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,380 2023. 778 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:56,639 You're trying to catch me there. 779 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,640 Yeah, yeah. 780 00:23:58,620 --> 00:23:59,419 I lived through that. 781 00:23:59,420 --> 00:24:00,679 I asked Proto Say what's how to say 782 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,680 your name. 783 00:24:02,660 --> 00:24:03,660 Oh, gosh. 784 00:24:15,010 --> 00:24:16,049 Okay, we're going to take a look at 785 00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:17,050 some light stuff. 786 00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:20,729 Do you need us here for that? 787 00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:21,730 Yes, we need them to stay there. 788 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:28,999 See how pretty we can make y'all 789 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000 look. 790 00:24:32,850 --> 00:24:34,809 The tweets working for you 791 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,960 I think it's quarter. 792 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:46,459 No, this is the first day I'm going 793 00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:48,120 to try it, and we'll see how it 794 00:24:48,121 --> 00:24:49,121 goes. 795 00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:55,479 Yeah i mean it's in my my earbuds 796 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,439 it sounds like um some 797 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,639 kind of an interference from 798 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,519 a light because 799 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,139 it hears like it sounds like a 800 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:05,799 motorboat far away kind of like a 801 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,800 like a kind 802 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,119 He's talking about motorboating. 803 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,910 I think he's talking to audio, Zach. 804 00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:14,800 You motorboatin' son of a bitch. 805 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:20,109 I would love to put together a 806 00:25:20,110 --> 00:25:21,929 blooper reel of 807 00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:23,210 rich statements. 808 00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:26,809 The stuff that comes out of his 809 00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:26,810 mouth. 810 00:25:26,811 --> 00:25:28,839 We'll get, we'll 811 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,699 get ended. 812 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:30,819 Oh God. 813 00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:32,319 The more comfortable he gets too, 814 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,659 the better material you're gonna 815 00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:33,729 get. 816 00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:35,549 It started with him going, oh, 817 00:25:35,550 --> 00:25:36,550 what? 818 00:25:38,780 --> 00:25:40,119 I'm glad he didn't curse. 819 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:42,760 He could have gone, oh shit. 820 00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:46,009 He could, I'm assuming you will 821 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:47,029 cut that out. 822 00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:49,309 Yes, we made a note. 823 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:51,209 We also souped you incorrectly at 824 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:52,069 first. 825 00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:53,150 As Anya? I think so. 826 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,160 Poor Anya. 827 00:25:59,239 --> 00:26:00,919 If you want, I mean, you see how 828 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,460 Zach put his off to the side. 829 00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:05,730 Could do something like that. 830 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,589 We can have the audio people. 831 00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:11,939 No, I- 832 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:12,940 help us. 833 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,939 I should have known 834 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:16,940 that. 835 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,399 I never speak directly into a mic 836 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,400 like that. 837 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,759 I get up here and I forget how to 838 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,760 think. 839 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:31,649 I thought that was, I thought it 840 00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:32,650 was. 841 00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:36,689 You didn't say anything about Elon 842 00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:38,009 Musk. 843 00:26:38,010 --> 00:26:39,010 That was Rich's job. 844 00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:45,269 An unforgettable moment. 845 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:45,969 Elias. 846 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:47,089 It was crazy, 847 00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:49,869 just straight up handing people 848 00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:50,870 money. 849 00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:54,569 That kid still has that as his 850 00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:55,539 banner. I know. 851 00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:57,059 Rich asked him about it in an 852 00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,659 interview once, and the kid was 853 00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:59,660 like, 854 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,619 he just wouldn't answer it at 855 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:04,179 all. And then a week later, he puts 856 00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:05,180 it up on Twitter. 857 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:16,649 I think we're going to use just FYI, 858 00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:18,349 like the first five and a half 859 00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:20,009 minutes off the top for hearing 860 00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:21,010 them.