Subject: Re: My impression only and I consider myself to be an Independent
From: Sandra Kiser <[email-masked]>
To: Kay Price <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:25:44 -0700

Kay, I have trouble reading your graphic detail sometimes. I find it
embarrassing and humiliating. I know you think I'm able to take this
stuff 'cuz of my age, but please, be a little softer. My heart beats
faster & actually become nauseated. So much of it villifying rumors.
In all the cast of characters, I was the only one who had to pay.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Kay Price <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I think the ruling said the law is unconstitutional. Obama knew it was. He sent his lawyers in to argue it was constitutional as a tax, which is what they approved. But Obama repeatedly told us  this would not be a tax, that we would not be taxed, that taxes are last thing we need in a recession, etc.  it was basically rewritten to get it passed. We have been tricked into more taxes.
>
> This will mean businesses will hire less people and be afraid they can't make the big insurance payments. The IRS will take money out of your tax return if you don't pay. It will become a two type system. If you are rich you will pay for your best treatments, if not,  you will get what is given and nothing more. I am afraid that the insurance companies will have to raise their rates big time to follow these rules. This will ultimately break them? We will not be allowed many tests we now can easily get. People over 70 will not get the care that costs too much, according to?? This is 1/6th of our economy so very important.
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> There are now 47 million people on food stamps. That is horrible. Many due to people who take advantage. People are not working but taking more and more from the government. I am afraid our spending will collapse the whole economy.
>
> If you look at Syria right now, and Libya recently, one dictator controls them, if they have no access to guns. The Jews in WW II would have survived if they had guns to fight being rounded up and taken to their deaths. Of course there are abuses and murders but  I would want to defend myself if there is any kind of a take over. There are way too many crazies out there not to be able to defend yourself and they will always find a way to get guns.
>
> Did you hear about the 14 yer old boy who shot an intruder? He was home babysitting his younger siblings. His parents said do not answer the door to strangers. A woman came to the door. He did not open the door. Then a man broke in the door. The kid got the gun and shot him. Clearly his parents taught him well.
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> Even Holder gives the drug runners guns! Poor AZ is caught in the middle of it all. Obama refuses to lead. I do believe his plan is to break us and make us like the rest of the poor world which views our riches as the enemy. That was the goal of his father who said America and its wealth is the root of the world's problems. They are ashamed of our riches and that is what Michelle meant when she said this was first time she wasn't ashamed of this country. That is why Obama keeps apologizing for us.
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> I don't like anything I see in Washington. It is broken. If you run for office and become a Senator for one term you get free healthcare and a fabulous pension for life. We should stop this abuse and all the other corruption there. It is so big and getting bigger, like a giant monster. Just leave us alone!
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> Aug told me and Jim same story. He went for gas and was offered a set of photos of you for $5. Shimmel took them and sold them. One was of you holding your vagina open. He bought a set and said he would show them to the Judge or did show them to the Judge. This is how he got you and or the Judge to give him the kids. Who knows who else was told that story. Jim also was told Aug hired a detective who followed both of you to a meadow and he got photos.
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> I never questioned him. If he said it, it must be true.  I always hated Shimmel and the way he undressed women with his eyes in a very arrogant way. I could see him doing it. But how low to sell pictures. If you think about it where are these photos? I think Aug said he had them in a safe. Yah, right. Even if you posed and he took the photos, so what, no one else's  business. Lors of people do that. I get furious thinking about it now. Was there even a hint of any of this happening? None of my business but you know I would never judge you. God. What a sad mess.
> Love,
> Kay
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> On Jun 28, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Sandra Kiser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, airline tix are outrageous, even on that quirky Allegiant
>> Airlines which is a milk run, they don't fly every day out of their
>> destinations. $181 round trip from Mesa-Rockford, of course that was
>> several wks ago.
>>
>> All those "he said, she said" rumors about Effie Bachhuber, Alice
>> Conger, etc. Much can be attributed to little 'ol Sauk City; such as
>> pictures being sold on the corner of me. I doubt in both cases Aug had
>> that much romantic appeal. Maybe a few random meetings but never,
>> .never ardor in that degree. He may be a controlling son of a bitch,
>> but not hypnotic. SC was his best venue, set a rumor out there &
>> literally spread like fire. George has different tales of April and
>> Arkham House too.
>>
>> I just don't want this incorrect gossip to keep perpetuating. He
>> really couldn't walk on water even tho he'd like people to believe
>> that.
>>
>> What do you think about Health Care Decision today? AZ probably will
>> rise up & secede from the Union. Or get their guns out, everyone is
>> armed here. We give the newborn babies guns when they're born. Right
>> along with their birth certificates. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Kay Price <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>> Some of his friends said having children is wonderful, you shouldn't  miss it. Also, it pacified his mother and improved the gay rumors to appear "normal".
>>>
>>> I have been looking at tickets for my sister and shocked at how expensive they are. What used to cost $250 is now $550 or more.
>>>
>>> George told me Alice was teaching at a school house and Aug came there and they made passionate love. He immediately regretted it and she was in love with him her whole life after.
>>>
>>> Effie found out her husband was cheating and decided she would. Aug said make it with me. They met a few times only for sex and she loved him forever. The whole thing is ridiculous from a 2012 viewpoint but we all were isolated in Sauk.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Sandra Kiser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reunion is July 15th. I doubt pretty much I can go for financial
>>>> reasons of course. My electric bill has risen to $86, up 40%; of
>>>> course 69% is a/c costs. Day after day of grinding heat.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I agree with your comments. College should be free. Especially
>>>> community college. We continue to have an uneducated work force. Our
>>>> big employer out here Intel cannot find engineers to staff them, hence
>>>> all from India or Japan. When I lived in Countrybrook, one of their
>>>> plants were nearby. Many of residents were Indian families.
>>>>
>>>> As for Aug's escapades, I don't think he would've married ever if he
>>>> didn't get me thrown at him. This was his ultimate control and he
>>>> thrived on it. His real disdain for women he could have right in front
>>>> of him, me.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe Myra. He had a sexual relationship with her. Another
>>>> way of smacking down Jack Stanton, who was engaged to her. Jack was
>>>> engaged to Louise Tabor also, but think Louise rebuffed August.
>>>>
>>>> Effie was in love with him for years as you say. And Alice Conger, I
>>>> forget about. She was so ugly physically, but utter devotion. Driver,
>>>> secretary, confidante, manager.
>>>>
>>>> Have you read Atlantic Monthly article on Women Can't Have It All.
>>>> Author has been making the rounds on television shows. A good article
>>>> and so very true. Women will take the hits for their career to take on
>>>> child care.
>>>>
>>>> Have been reading your forwarded articles on SB1070. Now to get it implemented.
>>>>
>>>> And passing of Nora Ephron, so very sad. What a trailblazer for women
>>>> & an amazing talent.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Kay Price <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>> We keep throwing money at education and teach less and less. My 10 cousins are teachers and they say with all the govt. mandates, forms to fill out, etc. they actually teach 20 minutes a day. We would do better by our kids to go back to the one room school house. Those kids knew history and geography. They don't now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there will be big changes forced by lack of money. Maybe we will give up the huge brick real estate and every kid learns from home with an iPad type device. They would get the best teachers only. They see and hear each other to relate and respond. I can now see classes from any university free. But can not ask questions. It is awesome what is available for free.
>>>>>
>>>>> When is your class reunion? Sometime in July I think. If you can afford to come it would sure be nice for you to do it. If it is before the 28th you could sure stay with me. My sister arrives for a week then. Aren't there some direct flights from Phoenix to Madison now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aug took away so much for so many. He of all people should have encouraged and helped you go to school after you married. Your mother had stars in her eyes and hoped your marriage would benefit the whole family. You can understand from her viewpoint she did it with wrong impressions about who Aug was.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Aug was a straight guy he would have married when he was in his 20s like everyone else. I think he was really interested in young boys and his true nature was gay. He pretended to like women but his affairs with them were little more than weekend flings. He could perform both ways but he used women to cover up his real nature. He could write passionate love letters and poems but they were more like his longings to be heterosexual.
>>>>>
>>>>> You would think he was crazy about Effie or Myra but actual sexual contact was a weekend with Effie ( he told me) and Myra said nothing sexual with her. Marsha Masters was sporadic and brief and she left. What do you think? Where were normal dates? Women his own age?
>>>>>
>>>>> George Marx and Hugo were his victims, always loyal, never able to move on. Same with Alice C. A weekend fling and a lifetime of mistaken devotion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Sandra Kiser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And comment on mothers of fame & power (my mother is poster child).
>>>>>> Always thinking to get their kids out of their perceived mire. How I
>>>>>> wish I could have stayed in that mire.  I could've gone to college! I
>>>>>> had straight A's throughout h.s. Tom and I reminisced on SC h.s. in
>>>>>> '48-52. 160 students (maybe) in total school. How strange. Every tiny
>>>>>> village had their own h.s. Arena, Mazomanie, PduS, Waunakee, etc.,
>>>>>> etc. How did funding for all these tiny schools work? Times were
>>>>>> different for sure. How could they all afford to keep up these
>>>>>> schools, maintenance, staffing, utiities?? Now look at schools? No
>>>>>> taxable income for these communities. And each school had their own
>>>>>> athletic depts. Now what a state. Kids have to PAY to play. Their own
>>>>>> uniforms, insurance, only wealthy families can afford to have them in
>>>>>> those programs, if programs exist at all. Band and music programs have
>>>>>> been cut in most schools. Private schools only decent schools and that
>>>>>> is only for the wealthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recall that high school not only had music program (band, chorus)
>>>>>> but even offered private lessons w/ musical instruments lent by the
>>>>>> school. We just took it for granted. Now kids have to buy their own
>>>>>> and pay for lessons. I believe piano lessons were also given, as tiny
>>>>>> SC high school owned several. Band tournaments were an integral part.
>>>>>> That's where Dick Bachhuber and I were so close, at tournaments. Lots
>>>>>> of money then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Kay Price <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>> The mothers always trust the men of fame and power. Their kids are lucky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Sandra Kiser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wonder if judge will grant motion to defense attys. One of comments at
>>>>>>>> end of article thought interesting, where were the mothers in all of
>>>>>>>> this? A child being away from his mom for periods of time. Hmm. He's a
>>>>>>>> monster all right, but funny how it takes this long.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Kay Price <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Read Third last paragraph. The priest at Roxbury told the Sunday service,
>>>>>>>>> keep your kids away from AD house. Same kind of thing and rumors were always
>>>>>>>>> around town.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought you would like this article from The Washington Post for iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After Sandusky verdict, neighbors release emotions
>>>>>>>>> http://wapo.st/MGMwRE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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