% PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL %PROD
UCTION.
% >>
I'M
FREDERICA
FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT
O
N
"HERE AND NOW,"
U.W.
% SYSTEM
P
RESIDENT
TOMMY THOMPSON
% IS
HERE.
% HE'LL
DETAIL PLANS FOR
OPENING
% STATE UNIVERSITIES FOR THE
FALL
% SEMESTER.
% LATEST
FROM
ONE
OF THE
NATION'S
% TOP
EXPERTS
ON
COVID-19
% TRANSMISSION.%AND
SENIOR
POLITICAL
REPORTER
% ZAC SCHULTZ
INVESTIGATES HOW
% POLICE
UNIONS
PLAY
A
ROLE
IN
ANY
% MEANINGFUL
CHANGES
AHEAD.% IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR %
JULY 24TH.
% ♪
% >>
FUNDING
FOR
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IS
% PROVIDED BY
THE
FOCUS
F
UND FOR % JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF
PBS % WISCONSIN.
%
>>
WITH
AN
ANNUAL
BUDGET OF
% $6
BILLION,
THE
UNIVERSITY
OF
% WISCONSIN 2
6
CAMPUS
SYSTEM IS
% AMONG THE
LARGEST IN
THE
% COUNTRY.%THIS
WEEK
EVEN
AS
THE
SYSTEM
% DETERMINES HOW
TO
SAFELY
OPEN
% FOR THE
FALL
SEMESTER,
GOVERNOR
% TONY
EVERS
ANNOUNCED
% $250 MILLION IN
PANDEMIC-RELATED
% STATE
PENDING
CUTS.
% THIS AFTER A 70 MILLION %REDU
CTION IN MAY.
% U.W.
SYSTEM PRESIDENT
TOMMY % THOMPSON
RESPONDED
ALMOST
% IMMEDIATELY SAYING
THE
% UNIVERSITY SYSTEM ALREADY
% ABSORBED
MORE THAN
ITS
FAIR
% SHARE
O
F
CUTS
LAST
SPRING.
% THIS
DI
SCLAIMER,
PBS
WISCONSIN % IS PART
OF
U.W.
MADISON.
% LATE
THIS WEEK I SPOKE
WITH
% SYSTEM PRESIDENT
THOMPSON
ABOUT
% THE THREAT
OF
FURTHER
BUDGET
% CUTS
AND
ALSO
ASKED
HIM
HOW
THE
% SYSTEM WAS
PREPARING FOR
SAFE
%
RETURN
TO
CAMPUS
INSTRUCTION FOR
% THE
FALL
TERM.
% >>
SECRETARY,
GOVERNOR,
NEW
% PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY
% SYSTEM, THANK YOU FOR
BEING
% HERE.%>> MY
HONOR,
FREDERICA,
A
% PLEASURE TO
SEE
YOU.
% I REMEMBER
FONDLY OUR
DAYS
WHEN
% YOU
USED TO
INTERVIEW
ME
WHEN
I % WAS
GOVERNOR, SO
VERY
HAPPY
TO % BE BACK ON
YOUR
PROGRAM AND % THANK YOU SO
VERY MUCH
FOR
% HAVING
ME.
% >>
WELL,
THANK
YOU.
% WELL, JUST
TO
JUMP
IN,
CAN
K-12
% DISTRICTS
IN
CERTAIN
PARTS
OF % TH
E
STATE
DECIDING TO GO
% VIRTUALLY FOR THE
START
OF THE
% SCHOOL
YEAR,
HOW
CAN
THE
U.W.
% SAFELY
OPEN TO
EVEN
A
HYBRID OF
% REMOTE AND
IN-PERSON
CLASSES
% SAFELY?
% >>
WE ARE
DEDICATED
AND
% PASSIONATE
ABOUT
MAKING
SURE
% THAT
OUR
PROFESSORS,
OUR
% INSTRUCTORS,
OUR
EMPLOYEES,
AND
% ABOVE
ALL,
OUR
STUDENTS
ARE
% GOING
TO BE
SAFE.
% YOU
GOT
TO
REMEMBER
THAT I WAS
% SECRETARY OF
HEALTH,
AND
I WOULD
% NEVER
PUT
ANYBODY
AT
HARM'S
WAY
% IF
I CAN
HELP
IT
AND
WE ARE
% DOING
EVERYTHING,
WE ARE
% PREPARING OUR
CLASSROOMS,
MAKING
% SURE OUR
LARGE
CLASSROOMS
ARE
% NOT
UTILIZED,
EVERY STUDENT
HAS
% TO
HAVE
A
MASK
ON
WHEN
THEY ARE
% INSIDE.
% ALSO ASKING THEM
TO
WEAR
THEIR
% MASKS
OUTSIDE
I
F
THEY CANNOT
% SOCIALLY
DISTANCE.% AND
ENTRANCE
AND
EXITS,
A
LOT
OF
% THEM
ARE
ONE
WAY.
% MAKING
SURE
OUR
CLASSROOMS
GOT
% THE
HIGHEST
CLEANING
STANDARDS % PUT DOWN BY
C.D.C.
% WE ARE
DEDICATED
TO
THAT.
%
WE ARE
PUTTING
INSTRUCTIONS
OUT
% DAILY AS
TO HOW TO
MAKE
SURE OUR
% CLASSROOMS ARE
SAFE.
% WE
FEEL
THAT
WE ARE
GOING
T
O
% HAVE
OUR
CLASSES
AND
CLASSROOMS
% AS
PUBLICLY
SAFE
AND
A
S
SAFE FOR
% OUR
EMPLOYEES
AS
WE
POSSIBLY
CAN
% AND
ABOVE
ALL,
OUR
STUDENTS.
% SO I
FEEL
VERY
CONFIDENT.
% WE ARE
OPENING ON
SEPTEMBER 2ND,
% AND I'M
HERE TO TELL YOU
I'M
% DEDICATED
TO
MAKE
SURE
THAT
% EVERYBODY
WILL BE
SAFE.
% >>
YOUNG
ADULTS,
AS
YOU
KNOW,
% WERE IN
LARGE
MEASURE
% RESPONSIBLE FOR KIND
O
F
THE
MOST
% RECENT
SURGE.
% HOW CAN
THE
UNIVERSITY MANAGE
% THEIR
BEHAVIOR ON
AND
OFF
% CAMPUSES?
% >>
WELL, THERE'S
NO
WAY
THAT
YOU% ARE
GOING
TO BE
ABLE
TO,
% FREDERICA, MANAGE STUDENTS
OFF
% CAMPUS
BUT
WHAT
WE ARE DOING IS
% WE ARE
ASKING
STUDENTS TO
WEAR
% THEIR
MASK,
PUTTING OUT
A
LOT
O
F
% INFORMATION, WE ARE ASKING
% STUDENTS TO
GET
FLU
VACCINATED,
% AND
HAVE
THE
VACCINE,
YOU
KNOW,
% PURCHASED SO
WE CAN HELP
% STUDENTS GET
VACCINATED.
% WE ARE
PUTTING
OUT
A
LOT
O
F
% INSTRUCTIONS.%WE ARE
TALKING TO
A
LOT
OF
% STUDENTS
AND
WE ARE ENCOURAGING % STUDENTS
AND
THE
M
OST IMPORTANT
% WAY
TO DO
IT
HAVING STUDENTS
% TALK TO
OTHER
STUDENTS.
% LET'S
GE
SAFE,
LET'S
BE
HEALTHY.% WE ARE
GOING
TO
ENJOY
CAMPUS,
% BUT WE HAVE TO BE
HEALTHY
TO
% ENJOY
IT.
% THIS
IS THE
MESSAGE
GOING
OUT,
% AND
USING
M
Y
PUBLIC
HEALTH
DAYS,
% MY
PUBLIC
HEALTH
HAT
ON,
I'M
% GOING
TO DO EVERYTHING I % POSSIBLY
CAN
THROUGH
SOCIAL
% NETWORKING,
THROUGH
SIGNS,
% THROUGH
ENCOURAGEMENT,
USING
% STUDENTS,
USING
OUR
PROFESSORS % TO
MAKE
SURE
OUR
STUDENTS
ARE
% SAFE
BOTH
ON
AND
OFF
CAMPUS.
% >>
NOW,
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY
DEEP
% INTO
THE BOOKS
AT THE
U.W.
% SYSTEM.%WHAT KIND OF
FINANCIAL
-
WHAT
% KIND OF
FINANCIAL
HIT
I
S
THE
% U.W.
DEALING WITH
BECAUSE OF
% CLOSURES
LAS
T
SPRING?
% >>
WELL,
HUGE.
% AMAZING
THING.
% WE HAD TO
REFUND
PRO
RATA
THE
% SHARE OF
THE
STUDENT
DORMS,
THE
% FOOD
WE
PURCHASED.
% A
LOT
OF
FOOD
WE
PURCHASED
FOR
% THE FULL
SEMESTER
AND
HAD
T
O
% GIVE
IT
AWAY,
SO
IT WAS
A
% FINANCIAL
REALLY
STRONG
HIT.
% HARDER
O
N
SOME
CAMPUSES
THAN
% OTHERS,
BUT
OVERALL, IT WAS
% REALLY
TOUGH
FOR
THE
SYSTEM
AND
% NOW,
AND
W
E
ALSO
GOT
IN
THE
% FIRST
SEMESTER
WE
ALSO
GOT
HIT
% BY
ABOUT
$50 MILLION FROM
THE
% STATE
OF
WISCONSIN, WE ARE
GOING
% TO
HAVE
T
O
TAKE
ANOTHER
HIT.
% SO,
UNIVERSITY
OF
WISCONSIN
% SYSTEM
HAS
FINANCIAL
PROBLEMS.
% BUT I AM
CONFIDENT,
I AM
% CONFIDENT
WORKING
WITH
THE
% GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE,
WORKING
WITH
% D.O.A., WORKING WITH
MY
CONTACTS
% IN
WASHINGTON
THAT
WE ARE
GOING % TO BE ABLE TO
GET
ENOUGH STATE
% AND
FEDERAL
DOLLARS WITH
THE
% HELP
O
F
WHAT
WE ARE
G
OING
TO
DO,
% MANAGING
THIS
PROBLEM
AT THE
% SYSTEM
LEVEL,
WE ARE GOING
TO
% MAKE
IT.
% WE ARE
GOING T
O
MAKE
IT
AND
WE % ARE GOING
TO
COME
OUT
STRONGER % NEXT
YEAR
THA
N
W
E
ARE
THI
S
YEAR.
% >>
BECAUSE
AS
YOU
MENTIONED, % GOVERNOR TONY
EVERS
HAS
% ANNOUNCED
ADDITIONAL
% $250 MILLION
BUDGET
CUT
T
O
STATE
% AGENCIES
AND
PRESUMABLY THE
U.W.
% WOULD HAVE
TO
TAKE
A
PORTION OF % THAT.%IS THERE A
NY
PORTION
OF
THAT
% THAT
YOU
BELIEVE
THE
SYSTEM
CAN
% TAKE
AND
STILL
EMBARK
ON
% REOPENING AND
PROVIDING
ALL
OF
% THE
KINDS
O
F
P.P.E.,
ETC., THAT % YOU NEED
TO DO TO DO SO
SAFELY?
% >>
WELL,
THERE ARE
TWO
POTS
OF
% MONEY
WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
% THE
STATE
MONEY
THAT
THE
% GOVERNOR IS
TALKING
ABOUT
IS
% MONEY
THAT
CAN BE
LAPSED
BY
THE
% GOVERNOR AND HIS
OFFICE, AND
WE % ARE
PUSHING
BACK
ON
THAT,
BUT
WE% ARE
TRYING
T
O
ACCOMMODATE
THE
% GOVERNOR
AND
THE
D.O.A.
% WE ARE
TRYING
TO
SHOW
HOW
% DIFFICULT IT'S
GOING TO BE AND % WHY IT'S PROBABL
Y
GOING TO BE
% PROBLEMATIC FOR
THE
SYSTEM.
% BUT
WE ARE
WORKING
WITH
THE
% GOVERNOR
AND
HIS
STAFF
AND
% D.O.A.
% WE WANT TO BE
--
W
E
DON'T
WANT
% TO BE
CONFRONTATIONAL, WE WANT % TO BE
COOPERATIVE
AND
WANT
TO
% MAKE
SURE
THAT
THEY
UNDERSTAND
% OUR
FINANCIAL
CONDITIONS.
% WE ARE
ALSO
WORKING
IN % WASHINGTON TO
GET
MORE
FEDERAL
% DOLLARS.%AND AS
YOU
KNOW,
I'V
E
ASKED
THE
% GOVERNOR FOR
$110 MILLION
FOR
% PERSONAL
PROTECTIVE
EQUIPMENT,
% AS WELL AS
FOR
TRACKING AND
% TRACING.%AND
TESTING.
% AND
WE
THINK,
YOU
KNOW,
WITH
% THAT
MONEY,
IF
WE COULD GET
100
% MILLION,
WE WOULD BE
ABLE
TO
% DEFINITELY
OPEN,
WELL,
WE ARE % GOING
TO
OPEN
UP,
WE'LL
BE
SAFE.
% BUT
WOULD BE
MUCH
MORE
HELPFUL
% IF
WE HAD
THE
EXTRA
MONEY
FOR
% TESTING
AND
TRACING
AND
FOR
% PURCHASING
THE
PROTECTIVE
% EQUIPMENT.
% >>
WHAT
DO YOU THINK THE
% LIKELIHOOD IS OF
GETTING
THAT
% KIND
OF
MONEY?
% >>
YOU
KNOW,
IT'S ALWAYS
A
N
% UPHILL
BATTLE.
% NOTHING IS
EASY
WHEN
YOU ARE
% ACTING
PRESIDENT OF
THE
% UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN
SYSTEM, % I'M
FINDING
OUT.
% BU
T WE ARE GOING
TO DO
% EVERYTHING
WE
POSSIBLY
CAN.
% I AM
AGGRESSIVELY
SEEKING
MONEY
% FROM THE
STATE
AND
FEDERAL
% LEVELS.
% I THINK THAT WE ARE
GOING
TO % BE
--
I'M
CAUTIOUSLY
OPTIMISTIC.
% I
COME
FROM
ELROY,
WISCONSIN.% YOU HAVE TO BE
CAUTIOUSLY
% OPTIMISTIC JUST
WAKING UP
IN
THE
% MORNING, AND
SO I
FEEL
THAT
WE % ARE
GOING
TO DO
IT,
AND
WE ARE
% GOING TO BE
-
WE ARE
GOING
TO
% GET
THROUGH
THIS,
AND
WE ARE
% GOING TO BE
ABLE
TO BE
STRONGER
% AND
HEALTHIER
NEXT
SPRING
THAN
% WE ARE
TODAY.
% I AM
CONFIDENT
OF
THAT.
% >>
WE
LEAVE IT
THERE.
% FORMER
GOVERNOR
TOMMY
THOMPSON,
% NOW
PRESIDENT
OF THE
U.W.
% SYSTEM.
% THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
JOINING %
US.
% >>
FREDERICA, IT'S ALWAYS A % PLEASURE
.% THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
% >>
IT'S
BEEN
ANOTHER
% RECORD-SETTING WEEK
O
F
COVID-19
% NUMBERS
I
N
WISCONSIN, INCLUDING
% THE FIRST
DAY
OF
OVER
1,000
% POSITIVE
CASES
REPORTED.
% SECRETARY OF
HEALTH
DESIGNEE
% ANDREA
PALM
SAID
THERE ARE
TWO
% MAIN
REASONS
FOR
THE
CONTINUED
% INCREASE.
% >>
THESE
NUMBERS
ARE
AT LEAST IN
% PART
A
REFLECTION OF
TWO
% PATTERNS.
% SIGNIFICANT NUMBER
OF
CASES
THAT
% REPORTED
ATTENDING
GATHERINGS
% LIKE
PARTIES
AND
BARS
AND
% BARBECUES
AND
INCREASE IN
CASES
% AMONG
YOUNG
PEOPLE.
% >>
WE TAKE
WISCONSIN'S
ALARMING % COVID-19
NUMBERS
TO
MINNESOTA
% NOW
WHERE
WE ARE
JOINED
BY
ONE
% OF THE
NATION'S
TOP
% EPIDEMIOLOGISTS,
DR.
MICHAEL
% OSTERHOLM.
% DIRECTOR FOR
THE
CENTER OF
% INFECTIOUS
DISEASE
AT THE
% UNIVERSITY OF
MINNESOTA.
% DOCTOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
% BEING HERE.
% >>
THANK YOU FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >> WISCONSIN
HAS
SEEN
A
SURGE
I
N
% POSITIVE
CASES
CHARTING DAY
OVER
% DAY, RECORD
NUMBERS JUST
THI
S
% WEEK.
% WHY IS
THIS
HAPPENING
NOW?
% >>
WELL,
THIS
VIRUS
IS
DOING
% WHAT IT WAS
MADE
TO
DO.
% INFECT
HUMANS.
% AND
THE
ONLY
THING
WE CAN
DO
TO
% STOP
THAT
FROM
HAPPENING
IS
HOW
% WE
DISTANCE
OURSELVES FROM
% PEOPLE, HOW
WE
MAKE
SURE
THAT
WE% ARE
NOT
SHARING
AIR
WITH
EACH
% OTHER.
% THAT
IS
WHERE
THE
VIRUS
IS
% LARGELY
BEING
TRANSMITTED
NOW.
% AND
UNFORTUNATELY,
AROUND
% MEMORIAL
DAY
W
E
DECIDED
THAT
WE % WERE DONE
TRYING
TO
DEAL
WITH
% THE
VIRUS AND
WE
WENT
ON
TO
OUR
% EVERYDAY
LIVES AS
WE HAD
LARGELY
% DONE
BEFORE AND
THE
VIRUS
NOW
IS
% BEING
TRANSMITTED AT
LEVELS
THA
T
% ARE
VERY
CONCERNING.
% >>
WHAT
D
O
YOU
MAKE
OF
THE
FACT
% THAT
PEOPLE
DON'T
SEEM
T
O
% UNDERSTAND
THAT
OR
BE
WILLING TO
% DISTANCE?
% >>
WELL,
YOU
KNOW,
AT THIS
POINT
% I THINK WE ARE
GOING
TO BE
% SEEING
SOME CHANGES IN
THAT.
% ONLY
BECAUSE WHEN
THIS
ALL
% STARTED IT
SEEMED
TO BE
A
BLUE
% STATE
O
R
A
RED
STATE
OR
BLUE % COUNTY
OR
RED
COUNTY
KIND
OF
% EVENT.
% AND
WHAT'S
HAPPENING IS
IT'S
% REALLY
BECOMING A
COVID
COLOR
% EVENT,
WE ARE
SEEING
MORE
AND
% MORE
CASES
OCCURRING
IN
URBAN
% AND RURAL
AREAS,
WE ARE
SEEING % MORE
DEATHS
IN
PEOPLE
WE
KNOW
IN
% LOVED
ONES,
AND
IN
THE
END
WHEN
% YOU THINK
ABOUT
THE
FACT
THAT
% RIGHT
NOW
ABOUT
8
TO
9%
OF
THE
% U.S.
POPULATION
HAS BEEN
% INFECTED WITH
THIS
VIRUS
TO
% DATE,
YOU THINK
ABOUT
ALL THE
% PAIN
AND
SUFFERING,
ECONOMIC
% DISRUPTION AND
DEATHS THAT
HAVE
% OCCURRED
JUST
WITH
THAT
8
TO
9%,
% THINK
WHAT
IT'S
GOING
T
O
TAKE
TO
% GET US
T
O
PROBABLY
50
TO
70%
OF % THE
POPULATION
INFECTED BEFORE
% WE WOULD
REACH
WHAT
W
E
CALL
HER
D
% IMMUNITY, A
STATE
WHERE
THE
% TRANSMISSION WOULD
SLOW
DOWN.
% NOW WE ARE
HOPING
WE CAN
GET
A
% VACCINE
TO BE AVAILABLE
BEFORE
% WE
GET
THERE
THROUGH
ILLNESS,
% BUT
RATHER
THROUGH
PROTECTION
% WITH
THE
VACCINE.
% BUT
OVER THE
NEXT
6
TO
10
MONTHS
%
AT
A
MINIMUM,
WE ARE
GOING
TO % SEE LOTS AND
LOTS
OF
THIS
% TRANSMISSION
UNLESS
PEOPLE
% UNDERSTAND THAT
THIS,
YOU
KNOW,
% WE
WON'T WIN
A
DEBATE
WITH
THIS
% VIRUS.%YOU HAVE A
BETTER
CHANCE
OF
% WINNING
A
DEBATE
WITH
2,000
% TIRED
ANGRY
2-YEAR-OLDS
THAN
YOU
% DO
WITH
THIS
VIRUS.
% AND
I THINK THAT'S WHAT
PEOPLE % HAVE
NOT
UNDERSTOOD
YET.
% >> DID
IT
SURPRISE YOU
THAT
THIS
% VIRUS
TURNED
RED
AND
BLUE
O
R
% POLITICAL?
% >> YOU
KNOW,
GIVEN
THE
% CONDITIONS
IN
THE
COUNTRY BEFORE
% THIS
PANDEMIC
BEGAN,
AND
% REALIZING THAT IT G
OES
TO
THE
% VERY HEART
OF
WHO
WE ARE
AS
A
% SOCIETY
IN
TERMS O
F
ECONOMIC
% ISSUES,
ACCENTUATING
THE
ISSUES
% WITH
CLASS
AND
FINANCIAL
% SECURITY,
IT'S
NOT
SURPRISING.
% THE POINT
I
S
THOUGH
I
F
THERE WAS
% EVER
A
TIME
THAT
ANYTHING COULD
% AND
SHOULD
RALLY
US
TO
COME
% TOGETHER,
IT'S
ABOUT
THIS
VIRUS.
% THIS IS NOT
A
N
ISSUE
ABOUT,
YOU
% KNOW, ONE
POLITICAL PARTY OR
ONE
% SKIN
COLOR OR
ONE
GEOGRAPHIC
% LOCATION.
% IT'S
ABOUT
US AGAINST
THE
VIRUS.
% AND
IF
WE CAN
JUST
STICK
WITH
% THAT,
IF WE CAN
UNDERSTAND THAT %
WE ARE
ALL
I
N
THIS
TO
HELP
EACH
% OTHER, I THINK THAT
THAT
WILL
% SURELY BE
A
START
FOR
US
TO
% ACTUALLY HAVE
MORE
IMPACT
ON
% THIS
VIRUS.
% PLEASE DON'T
FORGET, THERE ARE
% LESSONS TO BE
LEARNED
HERE
THAT
% HAVE
ALREADY
HAPPENED.
% IF
WE
LOOK
AT
MANY
OF THE
% COUNTRIES AROUND
THE
WORLD,
% EARLIER
THIS
SPRING
IN
THE
SAME
% DIRE
STRAITS WE WERE
WHEN
W
E
SAW
% THIS
VIRUS
GOING
THROUGH
NEW % YORK
A
ND
PLACES
LIKE
THAT,
% CAUSING THE
DAMAGE, THESE
% COUNTRIES STAYED THE
COURSE.
% THEY
GOT
THE
VIRUS
LEVELS
DOWN
% TO
A
VERY
LOW
LEVEL
AND
THEN
% THEY COULD
USE
TESTING
AND
% CONTACT TRACING TO TRY T
O
KEE
P
% THEM DOWN.
% WE
NEVER
DID
THAT.
% WE
DECIDED
WE WERE DONE
BEFORE
% WE
GOT
THOSE
NUMBERS
DOWN
LIKE
% THAT
AND
NOW
YOU ARE
SEEING
THE
% SITUATION
AND
I THINK IT'S
NOT
% UNTIL WE
ACTUALLY TAKE
SOME MORE
% EXTREME
MEASURES
TO DO
A
RE-DO,
% TO
TRY
TO
GET
THE
NUMBERS
DOWN,
% TO
TRY
TO DO
THE
TESTING,
% CONTACT TRACING,
FOLLOW-UP
% BEFORE
WE ARE
GOING
T
O
SEE
% REALLY
REDUCTION
I
N
THESE
CASES.
% THEY ARE JUST GOING T
O
CONTINUE
% OTHERWISE.
% >>
IF
WE
DID
A
RE-DO, COULD
WE
% REDUCE
THE
INFECTION
RATE
TO,
% SAY,
NEAR
0
BEFORE
WE COULD
SEE % A
VACCINE?
% >> YOU
KNOW,
LOOK
AT ALL THE % OTHER
COUNTRIES IN THE
WORLD
% THAT
HAV
E DONE
IT.
% SOME
SAY IT'S
THE
ASIAN
% COUNTRIES
THAT ARE
UNIQUE,
AND
% LOOK AT THE
EUROPEAN
COUNTRIES, % THEY HAVE DONE IT
TOO.
% IT'S
VERY
POSSIBLE.
% WE HAVE THE TOOLS
I
N
THE
% COUNTRY, DO
WE HAVE
THE
% POLITICAL WILL
TO DO
IT
AND
HOW
% ARE
WE
GOING
TO
TAKE
CARE
O
F % THOSE
WHO
MIGHT SUFFER
UNDER
% FURTHER
RESTRICTIONS.
% ECONOMICALLY,
PEOPLE NEED
TO
% WORK,
PEOPLE
NEED
TO
HAVE
JOB,
% NEED
T
O
SEND THEIR
KIDS TO
% SCHOOL WE
KNOW
ALL
THOSE
THINGS.
% AS
A
SOCIETY
AND
THE
NEXT
YEAR
% WE
HAVE
TO UNDERSTAND
WE MAY
% HAVE
THE COVID
YEAR.
% WHETHER IT'S ABOUT
SCHOOLS,
% WORK,
PUBLICLY, GET
OVER
THE
% COVID
YEAR,
GET
IT
DONE,
GET
% BEHIND US
AND
MOVE
ON.
% IF
WE
DON'T
ADDRESS THOSE
% THINGS, WE ARE
JUST
GOING
TO BE
% IN
THIS
LIMBO
LAND WHERE
% BASICALLY YOU ARE
GOING TO
SEE A
% HUGE
FOREST
FIRE
OF THE VIRUS
% TRANSMISSION THROUGH
THE
COUNTRY
% AND
LOOKING
FOR
EVERY
PIECE
OF
% HUMAN WOOD
IT
CAN
BURN
AND
WILL
% FIND
MANY OF
THEM.% >>
AS
TO
A
VACCINE, HOW
FAR
ARE
% WE
FROM
HAVING A
N
EFFECTIVE
ONE?
% >>
THIS I
S
THE TRILLION DOLLAR
% QUESTION.
% WE
WILL
HAVE
VACCINES,
WE HAVE
% OVER
200
RIGHT
NOW
T
O
SEE
HOW
% THEY
WILL
PROTECT.
% THE
CHALLENGE, THIS
I
S
THE % CORONAVIRUS,
HISTORICALLY
% UNSATISFIED
ABILITY TO
DEVELOP
A
% VACCINE THAT
MAY
PROVIDE
DURABLE% OR
LONG-TERM
IMMUNITY.% WHEN WE
FIND
THE
EFFECTIVE
% VACCINE,
WHAT DOES
IT
MEAN,
WHAT
% IT
PROTECTS ONLY
50%
OF THE
% POPULATION AND
NOT
THE
% POPULATION AT
RISK
FOR
SERIOUS
% DISEASE, IS THAT CONSIDERED
% ACCEPTABLE.
% AND WHAT
IF
W
E
FIND
ONE
THAT
% WORKS FOR
6
T
O 12
AND
1
8
MONTHS % AND KEEP
VACCINATING
LIKE
% INFLUENZA,
INTERNATIONAL LEVEL % WOULD BE AN
INCREDIBLE
EFFORT TO% BE
ABLE
TO DO
THAT.
% A
LOT OF QUESTIONS LEFT AND
% FINALLY
ASSURE IT'S
SAFE
AND
% DECISIONS WHETHER TO GO
FORWARD % WITH
THE
VACCINE.
% WE
CAN'T
WAIT
FOR
FIVE YEARS
T
O
% FIND
OUT HOW
DURABLE
THE
% IMMUNITY
IS
BEFORE WE
USE
IT.
% WE ARE
GOING TO BE
DOING
% INTENSIVE
STUDIES,
LOOK
AT THE
% POTENTIAL FOR
REACTIONS
EARLY
% ON, AND
ALSO TELL
THE
PUBLI
C
% WE'LL KEEP THEM
INFORMED.
% MOST O
F
ALL,
WE
NEED
A
VACCINE.
% WE ARE
HEADED
BACK TO
WHERE
WE % WERE
IN LATE
APRIL
OR
EARLY
MAY.
% IF
YOU THINK ABOUT
THIS,
THE
% FIRST WEEK O
F
MARCH
I
N
THE
% COUNTRY, COVID-19 WAS
NOT
THE
% TOP
7
5
CAUSES
OF
DEATH.
% BY
APRIL
AND
MAY,
THE
NUMBER
ONE
% CAUSE OF DEATH EVERY
DAY.
% NOW
SAW
THE
NUMBERS COME
DOWN
% AS A RESULT
OF
THE
IMPROVEMENT
% BUT
UNFORTUNATELY
THEY ARE
GOING
% RIGHT
BACK
U
P
AND
VERY
POSSIBLE
% SOON
COVID
WILL AGAIN
B
E
THE
% NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF
DEATH
I
N
% THIS
COUNTRY.
% >> WE
NEED
TO
LEAVE
I
T
THERE,
% DR.
MICHAEL
OSTERHOLM,
THANK YOU
% VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US AND
% HOPE
TO SPEAK WITH YOU AGAIN.% >> THANK
YOU.
% >>
HOMELAND
SECURITY
AGENTS
% ENGAGE CITY
OF
PORTLAND
% PROTESTORS EVERY NIGHT THIS WEE
K
% UNDER ORDERS TO
PROTECT
THE
% FEDERAL
COURTHOUSE FROM
% VANDALISM.
% THIS
WEEK
PRESIDENT TRUMP % ANNOUNCED MORE F
EDERAL % ENFORCEMENT
TO
OTHER
CITIES,
% CHICAGO,
ALBUQUERQUE,
KANSAS
% CITY,
AND
MILWAUKEE.
% A
GROUP OF
SENATE
DEMOCRAT, % INCLUDING TAMMY
BALDWIN,
SAYS
A
% LIST OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE %
DEPLOYMENT
O
F
FEDERAL
FORCES
TO
% WILLIAM
BARR
AND
ACTING HOMELAND% SECURITY
SECRETARY
CHAD
WOLF.
% ALL PART OF THE
TRUMP
% ADMINISTRATION
TAKING
AGGRESSIVE
% RESPONSE
IN
THE
CATALYST
AFTER
% THE
KILLING OF
GEORGE FLOYD.
% AND
GOVERNOR
SENT
A
LETTER.
% LAST
MONTH
PROTESTORS IN
MADISON% DESTROYED
STATUES
ON
THE
CAPITOL
% SQUARE.%THE BOARD THAT OVERS
EES CAPITOL
% RESTORATION WILL
RESTORE
T
HE
% STATUES,
FORWARD,
AND
THE
STATUE
% OF
ABOLITIONIST
AND
SOLDIER
HANS
% CHRISTIAN HEG WILL BE RETURNED
% TO
THEIR
PEDESTALS.% TWO
MONTHS
SINCE
THE
KILLING
O
F
% GEORGE FLOYD IN
MINNEAPOLIS.% A
NATIONAL
CONVERSATION ABOUT % POLICE REFOR
M I
S
ONGOING.
% ONE OF THE
ISSUES, HOW TO MAKE % SURE
THE
"BAD
APPLES" IN
THE % POLICE
PROFESSION
CAN BE
REMOVED
% FROM
THE
FORCE.
% ZAC SCHULTZ
HAS BEEN
WORKING
% WITH OUR
COLLEAGUES
FROM
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC
RADIO
AND
% WISCONTEXT TO
EXAMINE POLICE
% UNION CONTRACTS AND
THE
ROLE % THEY PLAY
IN
PROTECTING BAD
% COPS.
% >>
BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT % IS
HIGHLIGHTING
POLICING
UNIONS
% AND THE
ROLE
THEY
PLAY
IN
% PROTECTING
OFFICERS.
% YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN STORIES %
ABOUT THE BAD
COPS
WHEN
GET
% REINSTATED T
O THE
FORCE.
% SHIELDED
FROM
CONSEQUENCES BY
A
% BUREAUCRATIC
SYSTEM
AND
A
UNION
% CONTRACT.
% >>
YOU
REACT,
I
REACT.
% >>
SO
,
WE HAVE
TO
TALK
ABOUT
% LIMITING THE
POWER
OF
POLICE
% UNIONS.
% >>
THE
CO-FOUNDER OF
A
% NON-PROFIT
GROUP
FOCUSSED ON
% ELIMINATING
POLICE
VIOLENCE.
% IT TRACKS CONTRACTS
ACROSS
THE
% COUNTRY
AND
A
LIST
OF
PROVISIONS
% WHICH IT SAYS BLOCK
% ACCOUNTABILITY,
LIKE
GIVING
% ACCUSED
OFFICERS
ACCESS
TO
VIDEO
% AND
EVIDENCE BEFORE
T
HEY ARE
% INTERVIEWED, NOT
ALLOWING
% OFFICERS
TO BE
INTERVIEWED AFTER
% AN
INCIDENT, AND
POLICIES THAT
% ERASE
OLD
MISCONDUCT
RECORDS
% AFTER A
FEW
YEARS.% >> THE BEST CHIEF AND
THE
BEST
% MAYOR,
THEY ARE
LIMITED
WHAT % THEY CAN DO
BECAUSE IT'S
% NEGOTIATED
A$WAY.
% >>
WE WANTED TO
KNOW WHETHER
% PROVISIONS ARE IN
UNION
% CONTRACTS IN
WISCONSIN.
% ALONG WITH OUR
COLLEAGUES
AT
% WISCONSIN
PUBLIC
RADIO
AND
% WISCONTEXT,
WE
EXAMINE
THE
% POLICE
UNION
CONTRACTS
FOR
EIGHT
% CITIES.
% MILWAUKEE,
WAUKESHA,
RACINE,
% KENOSHA,
MADISON,
BELOIT,
GREEN
% BAY,
AND
WAUSAU.
% WHAT WE
FOUND
IS THAT
WISCONSIN
% IS
QUITE
DIFFERENT FROM THE
REST
% OF THE
COUNTRY.
% >> THERE'S A
LEVEL
OF
% TRANSPARENCY,
ACCOUNTABILITY
AND
% INDEPENDENCE THAT
EXISTS
IN
% WISCONSIN THAT DOES
NOT
EXIST
% ELSEWHERE.
% >>
JIM
PALMER,
EXECUTIVE
% DIRECTOR OF
WP
PA.
% WISCONSIN'S
LARGEST
POLICE % OFFICER
UNION.
% SHERIFF
DEPUTIES AND
PRISON
% GUARDS.%>>
OVER
10,000 MEMBERS
FROM MORE% THAN
300
LOCAL
ASSOCIATION
% AFFILIATES.
% >>
MOST
POLICE
UNION
CONTRACTS
% IN WISCONSIN HAVE LITTLE TO SAY
% DISCIPLINE.
% >>
WE
DON'T
HAV
E
LANGUAGE
--
% >>
STATE
LAW
SAYS
POLICE
% MISCONDUCT I
N
WISCONSIN
IS
% GOVERNED
B
Y
LOCAL POLICE
AND
% FIRE
COMMISSIONS.
% CITIZEN BOARDS WITH MEMBERS
% APPOINTED BY
THE
MAYOR.
% >>
LEGITIMATE
FORM
O
F
CIVILIAN % CONTROL
AND
HAVE
EXISTED IN
% WISCONSIN OVER
100
YEARS.
% >>
NO
MAYOR
IN
WISCONSIN
CAN
% FIRE
A
POLICE
OFFICER.
% OUTSIDE OF
MILWAUKEE, NO
POLIC
E
% CHIEF CAN
EITHER.
% TYPICALLY,
INTERNAL
% INVESTIGATION WILL
HAND
OVER
% EVIDENCE
AND A
RECOMMENDATION
TO% THE
P.F.C.
AND
IT WILL
DECIDE
% THE
PUNISHMENT.% SECOND
BIG
DIFFERENCE
IN
% WISCONSIN.
% >>
VAST
MAJORITY OF
LAW % ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
IN
THE
STATE% OF WISCONSIN CAN
ARBITRATE THE
% DISCIPLINE.
%
>>
ARBITRATION IS
OFTEN
BLAMED
% ANY
TIME
A BAD
UNION
EMPLOYEE % KEEPS
THEIR
JOB.
% >>
THESE
OFFICERS
AND
MANY
% OTHERS
WERE FIRED AND
ALL
OF
% THEM
GOT THEIR
JOBS
BACK
THANKS
% TO
A
POLICE
UNION
CONTRACT AND
% STATE LAW
THAT
LEAVES
FINAL
% PUNISHMENT IN THE HANDS OF AN
% ARBITRATOR.
% >>
ARBITRATOR
BASICALLY
LISTENS
% TO
THE
PARTIES
AND
MAKES
A
% DECISION.%KIND OF
LIKE
BEING
A
JUDGE BUT
% IT'S A
WHOLE
LOT
LESS
FORMAL.
% >>
SUE
BAUMAN
IS
AN
ARBITRATOR
% RULED
ON
LAW ENFORCEMENT
% DISCIPLINE CASES
I
N WISCONSIN
% AND
MINNESOTA.
% THE
ARBITRATORS ARE
SUPPOSED
TO % BE
NEUTRAL.
% BUT BOTH
SIDES
GET
TO
INFLUENCE % WHO
HEARS
THE
CASE.
% >>
THERE
IS
NO
QUESTION
THAT
% UNIONS
AND
MANAGEMENT
KEEP
SCORE
% ON
ARBITRATORS,
THEY
KNOW
BETTER
% THAN
ARBITRATORS KNOW
HOW MANY % TIMES
AN
ARBITRATOR
HAS
FOUND
% FOR THE
UNION
OR
FOR
THE
% EMPLOYER.
% >>
I
N
WISCONSIN, SHERIFF'S
% DEPUTIES CAN
ARBITRATE
% DISCIPLINE, EVEN
THOUGH
IT IS
% RARE.
% BAUMAN
IS ALSO
THE
FORMER
MAYOR
% OF
MADISON,
AND
SHE
SAYS
% WISCONSIN'S
P.F.C.
MODEL
I
S
NOT
% PERFECT.
% >>
THE
FACT
THAT
ALL
DISCIPLINE % HAS
TO GO
THROUGH
THE
P.F.C.
AND
% THAT
THE
POLICE
CHIEF
CAN
ONLY
% MAKE
A
RECOMMENDATION, AND THE % MAYOR
HAS
ABSOLUTELY
NO
SAY
% DOESN'T
MAKE SENSE
TO
ME.
% >>
BAUMAN
SAYS
NO
MATTER WHETHER
% IT'S
ARBITRATION
OR
A
P.F.C.,
% THE
BIGGEST
FACTO
R IN
% DISCIPLINING A
POLICE OFFICER
IS
% WHETHER THEIR
SUPERVISORS
DID
% THEIR
JOB
IN
PRESENTING THE
% EVIDENCE.
% >> THE
EMPLOYEE
BROKE
THE
RULES
% AND THE
EMPLOYER
SHOWS THAT
TO
% THE
ARBITRATOR.
% THE
ARBITRATOR
WILL
UPHOLD
THE
% DECISION.
% >> HOW MANY
YEARS
HAVE
W
E
HEARD
% YOU CAN'T
FIR
E
A
BAD
TEACHER,
% AND NOW
WHAT
WE ARE
HEARING
% WELL,
YOU
CAN'T
FIRE
A
BAD
COP.
% >>
DON
TAYLOR,
PROFESSOR
AT THE
% UNIVERSITY
OF WISCONSIN
SCHOOL
% FOR
WORKERS
AND
SPECIALIZES
I
N
% LABOR
RELATIONS.
% HE
SAYS
THE
MOST
IMPORTANT
% PROTECTION IN
POLICE CONTRACTS
% IS
DUE
PROCESS.
% >>
NOT
JUST
POLICE
CONTRACTS,
% BUT
ALL
CONTRACTS
CONTAIN
SOME
% SORT
OF
PROVISION
THAT
THE
% EMPLOYER HAS
T
O
FOLLOW
SOME TYPE
% OF
DUE
PROCESS
I
N
ORDER
TO
% DISCIPLINE
OR
TERMINATE
ANY
% EMPLOYEE.
% >>
TAYLOR
SAY
S
GETTING
% DISCIPLINE
TO
STICK
COMES
DOWN
% TO
MANAGEMENT
FOLLOWING THE
% PROPER
STEPS.
% >>
IN
70%
OF
CASES
WHERE
AN
% EMPLOYEE WAS
REINSTATED
IT WAS
% DUE TO
MANAGEMENT
ERROR,
% OVERLOOKING
MITIGATING
% CIRCUMSTANCES, NOT
CREATING A
% PAPER
TRAIL,
THINGS
LIKE
THAT.
% >>
WHAT'S
DIFFERENT
ABOUT
POLICE
% UNION
CONTRACTS
IS
WHETHER
THOSE
% STEPS INCLUDE
STRICT
TIMELINES,
% AND
LETTING
THE
OFFICER
REVIEW
% THE
EVIDENCE
BEFORE
AN
% INTERVIEW.
% TAYLOR
HAS DONE
WORK
FOR POLICE % UNIONS
I
N
WISCONSIN
AND
SAYS
IF
% THOSE
ITEMS
ARE
IN
THE
CONTRACT,% THEY
DIDN'T
GET THERE
BY
% THEMSELVES.
% >> W
E
SHOULDN'T
FORGET
THOSE
% WERE NOT
JUST
SIMPLY
CARVED
INTO
% STONE BY
THE
POLICE OFFICERS
AND
% THEIR
UNION,
THE
MUNICIPALITY
OR
% WHATEVER
GOVERNMENT
ENTITY
THEY
% WORK
FOR
AGREED T
O
THOSE
THINGS.% >> THERE'S
ALWAYS
ITEMS
IN
THE
% CONTRACT WE WISH
WE COULD
HAVE.
% >>
WHICH BRINGS US
TO THE % MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTME
NT
AND
% CHIEF
ALFONSO
MO
RALES.
% >>
YOU READ
BETWEEN
THE
LINES,
% COMMIT CRIME THEY LOSE THEIR
JOB
% AFTER
DUE
PROCESS.
% >>
THE
CITY
OF
MILWAUKEE IS
% TREATED
DIFFERENTLY, AND
THAT
% EXTENDS
TO THE
POLICE
% DEPARTMENT.%THE ONLY
SPECIAL
PROVISION
% RELATED TO
DISCIPLINE IN
THE
% UNION CONTRACT
SAYS
OFFICERS
CAN
% REVIEW
BODYCAM
AND
SQUAD
CAR
% VIDEO BEFORE
BEING
INTERVIEWED
% ABOUT
A
N
INCIDENT.
% HERE
THE CHIEF
O
F
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% DISCIPLINE AND
THE
P.F.C.
IS
% CALLED THE
FIRE
AND
POLICE
% COMMISSION AND I
T
ACTS
AS
A
% COURT OF
APPEALS TO
THE
CHIEF'S
% DISCIPLINE.%>> THE
FIRE POLICE
COMMISSION
% HERE!$!
!% HEARS
IT,
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PROPERLY, AND
% FOCUSSES
O
N
DISCIPLINE.
% >>
CHIEF
MORALES
CAME
UP
THROUGH
% THE
RANKS,
HAS
SEEN
HOW
THE
% UNION
WORKS.
% >> SOMETIMES
THE
ENTIRE
% ORGANIZATION, UNION
MEMBERS SAY
% THAT
PERSON SHOULD BE
PUSHED
OUT
% OF THE
DEPARTMENT,
THEY ARE
% GIVING LAW ENFORCEMENT A
BAD
% IMAGE.%>> AS
THE
DEBATE
OVER
POLICE
% REFORM
CONTINUES
AT
BOTH
THE
% LOCAL
AND
STATEWIDE
LEVEL,
CHIEF
% MORALES SAYS
THERE
IS
NOT
A
% PERFECT
SOLUTION.% >>
THERE'S
PROS
AND
CONS
TO
% EITHER
WAY.
% I DON'T THINK EITHER
--
THERE'S
% NO
SYSTEM
THAT'S
PERFECT.
% >>
REPORTING
FROM MADISON, I'M % ZAC SCHULTZ FO
R "HERE AND NOW."
% >>
EARLIER
THIS
WEEK PROTESTORS
% IN
MILWAUKEE
GATHERED
OUTSIDE
A
% MEETING OF THE
FIRE
AND
POLICE % COMMISSION
T
O
CAL
L
FOR
CHIEF
% MORALES
FIRING.
% THE COMMISSION
DECLINED
TO
FIRE
% THE
CHIEF
BUT
I
S
CALLING FOR
% MORE
TIMELY
REPORTS
O
N
% INVESTIGATIONS,
DISCIPLINE
AND
% PROMOTION.%THAT
IS
OUR
PROGRAM
FOR
TONIGHT.% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.%
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