% >>
THE
FOLLOWING
PROGRAM
IS A
% PBS
WISCONSIN ORIGINAL% PRODUCTION.
% >>
I'M ZAC
SCHULTZ
FILLING
IN
% FOR FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT
ON "HERE AND NOW,"
WE'LL
% HAVE
CONGRESSIONAL RESPONSE
TO
% THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS IN
% WASHINGTON.
% A
MILWAUKEE
DACA
RECIPIENT
TALKS
% ABOUT LEGAL
QUESTIONS
IMPACTING
% HER LIFE.
% AN INSIDE
LOOK
AT
DIVERSITY
AND
% INCLUSION
AT
THE
STATE
LEVEL.
% AND LAFAYETTE
COUNTY,
FREEDOM OF
% THE PRESS.
% IT'S "HERE AND
NOW"
FOR
% NOVEMBER 15.%>>
FUNDING
FOR "HERE AND
NOW" A
% PROVIDED
IN
PART
BY
FRIENDS
OF
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
%
>>
OUR
FIRST
LOOK
TONIGHT
IS
AT
% THE IMPEACHMENT
HEARINGS
THAT
% BEGAN THIS
WEEK
IN
WASHINGTON.
% DEMOCRATS IN
THE
HOUSE
PRESENTED
% THEIR
FIRST
WITNESSES
INTO% DONALD TRUMP'S
REQUEST
THAT
THE
% UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT OPEN
UP AN
% INVESTIGATION INTO JOE
BIDEN
IN
% EXCHANGE
FOR
MILITARY AID.
% THE QUESTION
FOR
MEMBERS OF
% CONGRESS
IS
WHETHER
THOSE
% ACTIONS QUALIFY
AS
HIGH
CRIMES
% AND MISDEMEANOR
AND
THEREFORE
% JUSTIFY IMPEACHMENT.%WE HE
!
WE
BEGIN
WITH
CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN
% MOORE.
% WHAT STOOD
OUT TO
YOU
SO FAR
IN
% THE TESTIMONY THAT
WE'VE
HEARD?
% >>
WHAT
HAS
STOOD
OUT
T
O
ME
MOST
% OF
ALL,
ZAC,
IS
THE
INTEGRITY
OF
% THESE
STATE
DEPARTMENT
OFFICIALS
% WHO HAVE
COME
FORWARD.
% THEIR
EXCELLENT
CREDENTIALS, THE
% FACT THAT
THEY'VE
SERVED
OUR
% COUNTRY
OVER
THIS
REPUBLICAN
% PRESIDENT,
BUT
DEMOCRATIC% PRESIDENTS
IN
THE
PAST.
% THEY'RE FACT WITNESSES.
% THEY'RE
NOT
THERE
WITH A DOG
IN
% THE
FIGHT, BUT
SIMPLY
TO
GIVE
% THE
FACTS.% >>
YESTERDAY
HOUSE
SPEAKER NANCY% PELOSI
STARTED
USING
THE
TERM
% BRIBERY
TO
DESCRIBE DONALD
% TRUMP'S
ACTIONS.
% DO
YOU
AGREE
WITH
THAT
TERM?
% >>
ACTUALLY, THAT
WORD
IS
TAKEN
% FROM
THE
CONSTITUTION.
% WHAT OUR
FOUNDING FATHERS WERE
% VERY,
VERY
CONCERNED
ABOUT
WAS
% BRIBERY.
% THEY DIDN'T HAVE
THE
WHOLE CODE
% OF
--
THE
CRIMINAL CODE
THAT
HAS
% EVOLVED
THROUGHOUT
THE
CENTURIES
% SINCE
THEY
FOUNDED
THE
COUNTRY.
% BUT THEY
WERE
VERY
CLEAR
THAT% THEY
WERE
CONCERNED ABOUT
THE
% ABUSE OF
POWER
AND
BRIBERY
OF
O
R
% FROM A FOREIGN COUNTRY.
% I CAN
TELL
YOU
THAT THE
FOUNDING
% FATHERS
ANTICIPATED
THIS
% PRESIDENT.%>>
NOW,
SOME
OF
THESE
WITNESSES
% HAVE
ALREADY
TESTIFIED
BEHIND
% CLOSED DOORS.
% WHAT'S THE
IMPORTANCE
OF
HAVING
% THEM
TESTIFY I
N
PUBLIC?
% >>
WELL,
YOU
KNOW,
I'VE
LEARNED% A
GREAT
DEAL
THROUGH
THIS
% PROCESS.
% AND
THIS
WAS
--
THE BEHIND
THE
% CLOSED
DOORS
PHASE
WAS
THE
% INDICTMENT PHASE.
% AND
WHEN
SUBJECTS
ARE
BEING
% INDICTED, THOSE
TESTIMONIES ARE
% OFTEN TAKEN
BEFORE A
GRAND
JURY
% OR BEHIND
CLOSED
DOORS.
% AND
THIS WOULD BE
SORT OF
THE
% PUBLIC
PART OF
THE
INDICTMENT.
% SO BEFORE THE
HOUSE
OF
% REPRESENTATIVES
MAKES
THE
% INDICTMENT
AND
IMPEACHES
--
AND
% PUTS
FORWARD ARTICLES OF
% IMPEACHMENT, WE
WANT
THE
PUBLIC
% TO
KNOW
AND
SEE
WHAT
THE
% REASONING I
S
BEHIND
THESE
% CHARGES.
% AND I
THINK
THAT
THE
PUBLIC
WILL
% HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY
TO
DETERMINE
% FOR
THEMSELVES WHETHER OR NOT% THERE
WAS AN ABUSE
OF
POWER,
% WHETHER
OR
NOT
BRIBERY
OF A
% FOREIGN COUNTRY
WAS
INVOLVED
AND
% WHETHER OR NOT
THE
PRESIDENT
% USED
THE OFFICE OF
THE
% PRESIDENCY
FOR
CORRUPT
PURPOSES.% >>
THE
VOTES
TO IMPEACH
IN
THE
% HOUSE
AND A
POTENTIAL
VOTE
TO
% CONVICT
IN
THE
SENATE
COME
WITH
% POLITICAL
BAGGAGE.
% HOW
IMPORTANT IS
SHIFTING
PUBLIC
% OPINION
BEFORE
THOSE
VOTES
% OCCUR?%>>
I
THINK
IT'S
EXTREMELY
% IMPORTANT TO HAVE
PUBLIC
% SENTIMENT.
% PUBLIC SENTIMENT
IS
EVERYTHING.
% BUT THAT
BEING
SAID,
ZAC,
WE
ALL
% TOOK AN
OATH
OF
OFFICE TO
% SUPPORT
THE
CONSTITUTION OF
THE% UNITED STATES.
% AND
IT'S
OUR
RESPONSIBILITY
TO
% MOVE
FORWARD
WITH
THIS
% IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY
AND IF
THE
% JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
DETERMINES
% THAT THERE
ARE
LEGITIMATE% ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT,
TO
MOVE
% FORWARD AND
TO
DO
OUR
% CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY.
% I DON'T
THINK
THAT WE
SHOULD
% WORRY
ABOUT
THE
POLITICAL
% FALLOUT,
WILL
THIS
MEAN
THAT
WE
% WILL OR WILL NOT
BE
% REELECTED, AND I
THINK
THAT THAT
% IS
WHAT
I
FIND
SO
DISAPPOINTING,
% THAT WE
ARE
NOT
FINDING
OUR
% REPUBLICAN
COLLEAGUES
STEPPING% UP TO
MEET
THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL
% OBLIGATIONS TO
ASK
LEGITIMATE
% QUESTIONS,
BUT
PREDETERMINING
% THAT
THEY
DON'T
WANT TO
BE ON
% THE WRONG SIDE
OF
THIS
% PRESIDENT.
% AND I
THINK
THAT THAT
IS
% SOMETHING THAT
IN
THE
FINAL
% ANALYSIS
MAY
INURE
TO
CERTAINLY
% A A
DOWNGRADING OF
THE
GOP,
THE
% GRAND OLD
PARTY.% >>
NOW,
WE'VE
READ A
LOT
OF
% REPORTS
ABOUT
HOW
REPUBLICANS IN
% CONGRESS ARE
SUPPORTING
TRUMP
% PUBLICLY
BUT
ARE
SAYING
% DIFFERENT THINGS
BEHIND
CLOSED
% DOORS.%WHAT
ARE
YOU
HEARING?
% ARE YOU
SPEAKING TO
ANY
OF
YOUR
% REPUBLICAN
COLLEAGUES?
% >> I
ACTUALLY
AM.
% I
HAVE
QUIET
CONVERSATIONS% WITH
REPUBLICANS
AND I
HAVE
NOT
% ASKED
THEM,
YOU
KNOW,
WHAT
THEY
% REALLY
THOUGHT.
% I'VE
ONLY
ADMONISHED
THEM
TO
% THINK
ABOUT
THEIR
CAREERS
BEYOND% DONALD TRUMP.
% DONALD
TRUMP
WILL
NOT
ALWAYS
BE
% THE
PRESIDENT.
% AND
FOR
THOSE
REPUBLICANS THAT
I
% CARE
FOR
-
AND THERE ARE
MANY
% THAT I
PERSONALLY CARE
FOR
--
% I'M ASKING THEM
TO
THINK
ABOUT
% THEIR
PERSONAL
REPUTATIONS,
% THEIR
OWN
INTEGRITY,
THEIR
% CONSCIENCE, THEIR
SOULS
AND
% CERTAINLY THE
OATH
THAT
THEY
% TOOK.
% AND
IF
THEY
CAN'T
STAND UP
AND
% BE BRAVE
ENOUGH
TO
LOOK
AT
THE
% FACTS
--
SOME
REPUBLICANS
HAVE% SAID
WE'RE
NOT
GOING
TO
LOOK
AT
% THE FACTS.
% IF
THEY
CAN'T
REALLY
LOOK
AT
THE
% FACTS, THEY
OUGHT
TO
REEXAMINE
% WHY
THEY
RAN
FOR
OFFICE.%@>>
HOW
MANY
MEMBERS
OF
CONGRESS
% IN
EITHER
PARTY DO YOU
THINK
ARE
% STILL
UNDECIDED
ON
IMPEACHMENT% AND WANT TO
HEAR
ALL
THE
% TESTIMONY TO
MAKE
U
P
THEIR
% MINDS?%>> YOU
KNOW,
I
DO
THINK
THAT% THERE
ARE
MANY
AMERICANS
AND% THERE ARE
MEMBERS
OF
CONGRESS
% WHO
REALLY,
REALLY DO
% WANT TO
HEAR
THE
FACTS.
% AND
I
DO
THINK
THAT
WITHIN
THE
% DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS
FOR
SURE
I
% KNOW
THAT THERE
ARE
PEOPLE
WHO
% REALLY DO WANT
TO
HEAR
THE
% FACTS.
% THEY
WANT
TO
THREAD THAT
NEEDLE.
% BECAUSE IT
IS
VERY
CONSEQUENTAL
% WHAT THEY
DO.
% WE
HAVE SO
MANY
BRAVE
DEMOCRATS,
% PARTICULARLY
THE
WOMEN
WHO
HAVE
% BACKGROUNDS IN
INTELLIGENCE,
% BACKGROUNDS, AGAIN, WITH
THE
CIA
% AND
SPECIAL
FORCES, WHO ARE
% PUTTING
THEMSELVES
AT
POTENTIAL
% ELECTION RISK TO
DO
THE
RIGHT
% THING.
% AND
I
ADMIRE
THESE
WOMEN SO
MUCH
% BECAUSE THEY ARE
STANDING ON
% PRINCIPLE AND
NOT
JUST
STANDING
% ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS
WILL
% AFFECT
THEIR
ELECTION
OUTCOMES.% >> ALL
RIGHT.
% CONGRESSWOMAN
MOORE, THANKS
FOR
% YOUR TIME
TODAY.% >>
YOU
BE
WELL,
ZAC.
% >>
WE
INVITED
ALL
FOUR
% REPUBLICAN
CONGRESSMEN
AND
% SENATOR RON JOHNSON
TO
APPEAR
ON
% THIS SHOW.
% THEY EITHER
DID
NOT
REPLY
OR
% DECLINED OUR
OFFER.
% ALSO THIS
WEEK
IN
WASHINGTON,
% THE
U.S. SUPREME
COURT
HEARD
% ARGUMENTS ABOUT
WHETHER
THE
% TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS
THE
% RIGHT
TO SHUT DOWN
THE
DACA
% PROGRAM, WHICH
STANDS FOR
% DEFERRED
ACTION
FOR
CHILDHOOD
% ARRIVALS, A PROGRAM
CREATED
% THROUGH AN EXECUTIVE
ORDER
BY% PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT
ALLOWS
% IMMIGRANTS BROUGHT TO THE
U.S.
% AS
CHILDREN
TO
GET
WORK
PERMITS
% AND
DEFERAL
ON
DEPORTATION.
% JOINING
US
IS ALEJANDRA
% GONZALEZ.%>>
THANK
YOU
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
MOST
OBSERVES
SEEM
TO
THINK
% THE CONSERVATIVE
MAJORITY ON
THE
% COURT AGREED
WITH
THE
TRUMP
% ADMINISTRATION.%WHAT WAS
YOUR REACTION
TO
ON
% ORAL
ARGUMENTS?
% >> IT
WAS
--
AS A
DACA
RECIPIENT
% MYSELF, IT WAS
CONCERNING, OF
% COURSE, LISA
!
LISTENING TO
THE
ORAL
% ARGUMENTS,
BUT
I'M
!
HOPING IT'S
% NOT A
TRUE
REFLECTION OF
WHAT
% THEIR
POSITION WILL
BE,
THAT
% WE'LL
HAVE
ONE
SWING
VOTE
IN
THE
% MIDDLE
THAT
WILL
KEEP
THE
% PROGRAM
ALIVE.% >>
DONALD
TRUMP
SAID IF
THE
% COURTS
STRIKE
DOWN
DACA,
HE'LL
% WORK WITH
DEMOCRATS TO
FIND A
% SOLUTION,
BUT
THIS WOULD
BE
NEXT
% YEAR
DURING AN ELECTION
YEAR.
% DO YOU
BELIEVE
THAT
WILL
% ACTUALLY
HAPPEN?
% >> I DO
NOT,
NO.
% AND
I
THINK
IF
IT
DOES
HAPPEN,
% IT'S GOING TO
BE A
COMPROMISE% THAT
MIGHT
ENDANGER
M
Y
PARENTS
% AND
I'M
NOT
WILLING
TO
ACCEPT A
% DEAL LIKE
THAT.% >>
AND
HOW
WOULD
IT
ENDANGER
% YOUR
PARENTS?
% >>
WELL,
I
THINK
THE
NARRATIVE% HAS BEEN
DACA
RECIPIENTS,
% THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR
OWN,
% THEY
CAME
TO
THIS
COUNTRY
% BECAUSE
THEIR
PARENTS BROUGHT% THEM.
% SO THAT
KIND
OF
PUTS
OUR
PARENTS
% AS
THE
CRIMINALS AND
THAT'S
%
SIMPLY NOT
TRUE.
% THEY
ACTED OUT
OF
DESPERATION.
% I
ALSO
WOULDN'T
WANT
TO
THROW
% ANOTHER
GROUP
OF
IMMIGRANTS% UNDER THE BUS
JUST SO
THAT
I
% COULD BENEFIT FROM
IT.
% >>
DACA
WAS
ALSO
SUPPOSED TO
BE% A
TEMPORARY
PROGRAM
WHILE
% CONGRESS WORKED
OUT A
DEAL
ON
% IMMIGRATION, BUT
THAT
NEVER
% HAPPENED.
% WHAT
HAS
IT
BEEN
LIKE
TO
LIVE
% UNDER ALL
THIS
UNCERTAINTY% THROUGH ALL
THIS
TIME?
% >>
IT'S
BEEN
REALLY
STRESSFUL.
% I
ACTUALLY
STARTED
SCHOOL.
% I GO
TO ALVERNO COLLEGE.
% I'M
IN
MY
SENIOR YEAR.
% SO I'LL
BE
GRADUATING THIS
MAY.
% AND
IT'S
VERY
FRIGHTENING TO
% THINK
ABOUT
THE
POSSIBILITY OF
% NOT
BEING
ABLE
TO
USE
MY
% EDUCATION AFTER
DACA
ENDS.
% IT'S A
MATTER O
F
LIKE
TRYING
TO
% FIT
ALL
OF
MY
LIFE
GOALS
WITHIN
% THIS TIME PERIOD SO
THAT
I
CAN
% ACHIEVE
THEM.
% BUT
THEN
EVEN
IT
PROBABLY
% DOESN'T
EVEN
MATTER
BECAUSE
I
% MIGHT LOSE
WHAT
I'VE
WORKED
FOR.
% >>
WELL,
WHAT
WILL
YOU
AND
% OTHERS
DO
IF
DACA
PROGRAM
ENDS?
% >>
I
THINK
--
I
THINK
DREAMERS
% ARE A
VERY
RESILIENT
GROUP.
% I BELIEVE
THAT
WE
WILL
CONTINUE
% TO
ADVOCATE
FOR
OURSELVES AND
% FOR
OUR
COMMUNITY.
% WE WILL
CONTINUE TO
ADD
ROW
ADVOCATE
FOR% A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
% WE'VE BEEN
ABLE
TO
LAST
THIS
% LONG.
% I'VE BEEN ABLE TO
GET
THIS
FAR.
% I
BELIEVE
IN
THEIR
PASSION
AND
% IN
THEIR
BRAVERY
TO
CONTINUE
% MOVING
FORWARD
WITH
THEIR
LIVES.% >>
NOW,
YOU
TALKED ABOUT
TRYING
% TO FINISH U
P
SOME OF
THE
THINGS
% IN YOUR
LIFE.
% ARE
OTHER
DACA
RECIPIENTS
YOU
% KNOW
DOING
SIMILAR
THINGS
OR
ARE
% THEY ALREADY
MAKING CON CONTINUE
CONTINGENCY
% PLANS?%>> AT
THE END OF
THE
DAY
WE'RE
% ALL JUST
HUMAN
BEINGS
TRYING
TO
% LIVE THE
LIFE
THAT
OUR
PARENTS
% BROUGHT US TO
LIVE.
% THEY
BROUGHT
US
HERE
FOR A
% REASON.
% AND
MOST OF
THE
DOCK
!
DACA
RECIPIENTS
% ARE COLLEGE STUDENTS
AND
THEIR
% PLAN IS
STILL
TO
ATTEND COLLEGE.
% THEY'RE WORKING
TWICE
AS
HARD
% BECAUSE
THEY
DON'T
FEEL
FEDERAL
% AID TO
PAY
FOR
THEIR
EDUCATION,
% LOOKING
FOR
SCHOLARSHIPS
TO
% SUPPORT
THEIR
EDUCATION
SO
IF
% DACA
FAILS THEY
HAVE
SOME
KIND
% OF FINANCIAL
SUPPORT.% >>
ONE
CONCERN
IS
DACA
REQUIRED
% PEOPLE
TO
PROVIDE
PERSONAL% INFORMATION TO
THE
GOVERNMENT.
% DO
YOU
WORRY
ABOUT
THE
TRUMP
% ADMINISTRATION USING THAT
INFO
% TO
PURSUE
DEPORTATIONS?% >> FOR
SURE.
% THAT'S
MY
BIGGEST
FEAR.
% DACA
RECIPIENTS
ARE
TAXPAYERS.
% THERE'S JUST
SOME
IRONY
THAT
MY
% TAX
MONEY COULD
BE
GOING
TOWARD
% MY
OWN
DEPORTATION.
% DACA
RECIPIENTS ARE
REQUIRED
TO
% UPDATE
THEIR
HOME
ADDRESS
WITH
% THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS SOON
% AS
THEY
MOVE.
% IT
IS A BIG FEAR.
% I LIVE
IN A
HOME
WITH
MY
% BOYFRIEND'S CHILDREN.
% I JUST
DON'T
WANT
TO
IMAGINE
% WHAT COULD
HAPPEN
IF THERE ARE
% MASS
DEPORTATIONS
AND
THESE
KIDS
% HAVE TO WITNESS
THAT.
% THE
IDEA
THAT
IT'S
TRAUMATIZING% ENOUGH.
% I COULDN'T
IMAGINE
THE
ACTUAL
% EXPERIENCE.%>> DO YOU BELIE
VE
THAT
% ULTIMATELY THERE WILL
BE A
% POLITICAL SOLUTION TO
THIS?
% >> I'M
HOPEFUL.
% I AM
HOPEFUL.
% I
THINK
THAT
THINGS
ARE
MOVING
% THE RIGHT WAY.
% I
THINK
THAT A
LOT
OF
PEOPLE
ARE
% SUPPORTIVE OF
DREAMERS
AND
I'M
% REALLY
HOPING
THAT
THE
SENATE
% DECIDES TO
BRING
THE
DREAM
AND
% PROMISE ACT TO
THE
SENATE
FLOOR
% AND VOTE O
N
IT
THE
RIGHT
WAY
AND
% BE ON
THE RIGHT
SIDE
OF
HISTORY.% >> AND
IF
THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN
IN
% THE NEXT
YEAR, DO YOU
THINK
% GOING
FORWARD, PERHAPS
IN
% ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION OR
DOWN
% THE
ROAD,
THERE COULD
BE A
FIX?
% >>
OH,
FOR
SURE.
% YOU
KNOW, JUST
WITH
VOCES DE LA
% FRONTERA'S
ACTION,
WE'VE
WORKED
% THAT
LATINO
AND
YOUTH
VOTE
% BECOMES PROMINENT
IN
THE
% ELECTION.
% I
WORK
MOSTLY
WITH
HIGH
SCHOOL
% STUDENTS.
% SOME
ARE
18
YEARS
OLD.
% THEY
ARE
MOTIVATED
NOW MORE THAN
% EVER
TO
VOTE
AND
TO
SHOW
UP
AT
% THE POLLING
PLACES.% >> ALL
RIGHT.
% ALEJANDRA
GONZALEZ.% THANK YOU
FOR
YOUR
TIME
TODAY.
% >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
% I APPRECIATE
IT.
% >>
EARLIER
THIS
WEEK,
GOVERNOR% TONY EVERS
SIGNED AN
EXECUTIVE
% ORDER
RELATING
TO
DIVERSITY,
% EQUITY
AND
INCLUSION
I
N
STATE
% GOVERNMENT.
% AMONG OTHER
THINGS, THE ORDER
% CREATES A
GOVERNOR'S
ADVISORY
% COUNCIL
AND
REQUIRES
STATE
% EMPLOYEES
TO
ATTEND
EQUITY
AND
% INCLUSION TRAINING.
% JOINING US
NOW
TO
TALK
ABOUT
% THIS
EFFORT
IS
DEMOCRATIC% REPRESENTATIVE
SHEILA
STUBBS.
% THANKS FOR
JOINING
US.
% >>
THANK
YOU
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
WHAT DO YOU
WANT
THESE
% DIVERSITY,
EQUITY, INCLUSION
% EFFORTS
TO
FOCUS
ON
AT
THE
STATE% LEVEL?%>>
TO
FOCUS
ON
SYSTEMIC
RACISM
% THAT
EXISTS.
% WE
KNOW
THAT THERE ARE
% PRACTICES, THERE ARE
TRAININGS
% THAT
MUST
TAKE
PLACE,
AND
WE
% KNOW
THAT
WHEN
WE
BEGIN
TO
% REALLY
TAKE A
DEEP
DIVE
AND
% ANALYZE
OURS
PRACTICES
AND
% ANALYZE OUR
POLICIES,
WE
WILL
% BEGIN
TO
ADDRESS
RACISM
THE
WAY
% THAT IT
SHOULD
AND
IT'S
GOING
TO
% FOCUS ON
ROOT
CAUSES.
% UNEMPLOYMENT,
HOUSING,
% EDUCATION,
CRIMINAL
JUSTICE
% REFORM
WORK.
% WE'LL
BEGIN
TO
REALLY
START
% ADDRESSING
THE
SYSTEMATIC
RACISM
% THAT
EXISTS
IN
OUR
STATE.% >>
WHEN
YOU
TALK
ABOUT
% SYSTEMATIC
RACISM
YOU'RE
TALKING
% ABOUT
THE
INSTITUTION
OF
STATE
% GOVERNMENT AS
RELATES
TO
THE
% PUBLIC
OR ARE
YOU
ALSO
TALKING
% ABOUT
WORKPLACE
CULTURE
WITHIN
% STATE
GOVERNMENT?
% >>
I'M
TALKING
ABOUT
WORKPLACE
% CULTURE
IS
CRITICAL.
% WE
NEED
TO
DIVERSIFY OUR
% EMPLOYMENT.
% WE
NEED TO
BE
INTENTIONAL
WITH% OUR ERK WITH.
% WE
NEED
TO
SET
GOALS.
% WE
NEED
TO
SET A
PLAN
THAT
GIVES
% US A
CHANCE
TO
LOOK
AT
EVERY
% AGENCY, THE
WORK AT
THAT
TER
!
--
WORK
THAT
% THEY'RE DOING.
% HERE'S THE
TRAINING THAT'S
% NECESSARY TO MOVE U
S
TO
THE
NEXT
% PLACE.
% WE
NEED TO
BE
REALISTIC
WITHIN
% OUR
GOAL-SETTING.
% ARE WE
GOING
TO
ACHIEVE WHAT
WE
% SET OUT
TO
DO,
WHICH
IS A NEW
% PRACTICE, WHICH
IS A
NEW
POLICY,
% WHICH IS A
NEW
EFFORT.% >>
SO
WHAT
KIND
OF
TRAINING
DO
% YOU
ENVISION
FOR
STATE
% EMPLOYEES?
% >>
IMPLICIT
AND
EXPLICIT BIAS
% TRAINING.
% WHEN
YOU
BEGIN
TO
TALK
ABOUT
% YOU, IT
STARTS
WITHIN
YOU.
% I THINK
IT'S
REALLY
IMPORTANT TO
% TALK
ABOUT
DIVERSITY AS
% SOMETHING THAT WE
WANT
IN
THIS
% STATE.
% THE GOVERNOR HAS
MADE
THAT
VERY
% CLEAR.
% OUR
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS
MADE
% IT CLEAR.
% I MADE
IT
CLEAR.
% OTHER
POLICYMAKERS ARE
SAYING
WE
% WANT
PEOPLE
OF
COLOR
TO
NOT
JUST
% LIVE
HERE,
NOT
TO
JUST
LIVE,
BUT
% WE WANT
THEM
TO
THRIVE
IN
ALL
% ASPECTS OF
THEIR
LIFE.
% SO
THAT'S
ONE OF
THE
AREAS
% THAT'S
REALLY KEY
FOR
THIS
WORK.% >>
FOR
PEOPLE
THAT
HAVEN'T
DEALT
% WITH
THESE
TOPICS
BEFORE,
% TALKING
ABOUT
SYSTEMATIC
RACISM
% AND
INSTITUTIONAL PRIVILEGE CAN
% BE
REALLY
TOUGH
FOR A
LOT
OF
% OVERWHELMINGLY
WHITE
WORKFORCE
% TO ADDRESS AT
FIRST.
% HOW DO
YOU
KEEP
THEM
OPEN TO UK% AT
THATTING ABOUT
THIS?
% >>
FIRST
AND
FOREMOST I
THINK
% THE TRAINING
IS
THE
VERY
FIRST
% STEP,
TO
MANDATE
THAT WE
HAVE
% OUR
STAFF
PARTICIPATE
IN
THESE
% TRAININGS.
% IT'S A FIRST STEP.
% AS WE
BEGIN
TO
THINK
ABOUT WE
% HAVE
TO
SAY THERE
ARE
JUST
SOME
% PEOPLE
IN
THIS
STATE THAT ARE
% NOT BEING
TREATED FAIR.
% AND WHEN
HE
YOU
TALK
ABOUT
% EQUITY,
IT'S
ON
EVERYONE TO
BE
% ABLE TO
SEE
THE
SAME
% OPPORTUNITIES.
% WE
OFTEN
SAY
EVERYTHING IS FAIR.
% BUT IS
IT
REALLY
FAIR?
% IS
THAT
REALLY WHAT
IT'S
ABOUT?
% I'LL
GIVE
YOU A
PERFECT
EXAMPLE.
% IN A
BASEBALL
GAME
THREE
% INDIVIDUALS ARE
WATCHING.
% THERE
IS A
FENCE.
% EACH PERSON
IS
AT A
DIFFERENT
% HEIGHT LEVEL.
% THAT
FENCE
PREVENTS
US
FROM
SEE
% SEEING THE
GAME
FROM
THE
SAME
% PERSPECTIVE.
% BUT IF
WE'RE
ALLOWED TO
SEE
THE
% SAME
VIEWPOINT, THAT'S
WHAT AN
% EQUITY
DOES.
% IT'S
LOOKING
AT
WORK
WITH AN
% ANALYTICAL
ASPECT.
% IT'S
ACTUALLY
DOING A
DEEP
DIVE
% AND
SAYING
IT
EXISTS.
% I THINK
THE
FIRST
STEP
IS
TO
SAY
% DOES
IT
EXIST.
% YES.
% IT
EXISTS.
% WHEN WE
BEGIN
TO
MEET
PEOPLE
% THERE,
THEY'LL
BEGIN
TO
SAY
YOU
% KNOW
WHAT?
% WE DO
HAVE A
PROBLEM.
% WHAT
IS
THE
REASON, WHAT
ARE
THE
% BARRIERS, WHAT ARE
THE
% OBSTACLES?
% WHY
DO WE
HAVE
OPPRESSION?
% HOW DO
WE
MOVE
PEOPLE
FROM
% OPPRESSION TO A
PLACE
OF
% OPPORTUNITY FOR
ALL
IN
THIS
% STATE?
% >>
SO
PART OF THE
GOVERNOR'S
% EXECUTIVE ORDER
TALKS
ABOUT
% COLLECTING DATA
AND
THEN
USING
% THAT DATA.
% WHAT
KIND
OF
INFORMATION DO YOU
% WANT TO
GATHER
AND
HOW
WOULD
YOU
% USE
IT?
% >>
LET'S
LOOK
AT
UNEMPLOYMENT.
% WHY
ARE SO
MANY
% AFRICAN-AMERICANS
UNEMPLOYED
IN
% THIS STATE?
% HOW
DO
WE
SAY WE
WANT
TO
MAKE
% SURE
THAT MORE
THAN
% AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE
GETTING AN
% OPPORTUNITY?
% WHAT ABOUT
OTHER
PEOPLE OF
% COLOR?%AND
I
THINK
TAKING
THE
DATA
AND
% BEGINNING TO
SAY
WE
NOTICE
% WITHIN OUR
DEPARTMENTS
WE
DON'T
% HAVE A LOT
OF
DIVERSITY
FOR
% PEOPLE HIRED.
% HOW
ARE
WE
GOING
TO
REACH A
POOL
% THAT WE
HAVE
NEVER
REALLY
TRULY
% ENGAGED?
% WHAT PREVENTS
US
FROM REALLY% REACHING OUT
FOR
EMPLOYMENT
% OPPORTUNITIES?
% LET'S LOOK
AT
OUR
INCARCERATION.
% WHY
DO WE
HAVE
MORE
PEOPLE
OF
% COLOR,
AFRICAN-AMERICANS,% INCARCERATED I
N
THIS
STATE
THAN
% THE
POPULATION?
% WHY IS
THAT?
% WHAT
ARE
OUR
POLICIES?
% THIS
REALLY
DRIVES
AT
POLICY.
% AND
ONCE
WE
BEGIN
TO
WRITE A
% POLICY THAT IS
FAIR
FOR
% EVERYONE,
WE'LL
BEGIN
TO
CHANGE
% THOSE NUMBERS.
% I
CAN
SAY
FIRSTHAND I'VE
BEEN A% CHAMPION AT
THE
LOCAL
LEVEL.
% AND SO
HAPPENED TO
CREATE AN% OFFICE OF
EQUITY
AND
INCLUSION% AND
SAYING IT
IS
INTENTIONAL.
% THAT'S WHAT WE
HE
EXPECT TO GET
% WITH
THAT
DATA
AND
BEGIN
TO
SAY% WHAT ARE
WE
MISSING?
% WHAT CAN
WE
DO
BETTER?
% LET'S
MAKE
SURE
WE
DO
THESE
% EQUITY
PLANS
EVERY
YEAR.
% >> ALL
RIGHT.
% REPRESENTATIVE
STUBBS, THANKS
% FOR
YOUR
TIME
TODAY.% >>
THANK
YOU,
SIR.
% >>
THE LAFAYETTE
COUNTY
BOARD
% DEBATED A PROPOSAL THAT
% THREATENED
PROSECUTION
FOR
% JOURNALISTS
REPORTING
ON
WATER
% QUALITY ISSUES.
% THE
PROPOSAL
WAS
ULTIMATELY
% AMENDED
BUT
NOT
BEFORE
IT
DREW
% NATIONAL
ATTENTION.
% JOINING US
NOW
IS BILL
LUEDERS,
% PRESIDENT OF
THE
WISCONSIN% FREEDOM OF INFORMATION C
OUNCIL.
% THANKS FOR
JOINING
US.
% >>
SURE.
% >>
THE
PROPOSAL
WARNED
% JOURNALISTS THEY SHOULD QUOTE
% DIRECTLY
FROM A
PRESS
RELEASE
OR
% VIOLATORS WOULD BE PROSECUTED.%
WHAT
WERE
THEY
TRYING
TO
% PREVENT?%WHAT
WAS
THE
INTENT
THERE?
% >>
I
GUESS
THERE
HAD
BEEN
WHAT
% THEY
PERCEIVED TO
BE
ERRORS
IN
% THE
REPORTING
OF AN
EARLIER
% REPORT
AND THIS
WAS
THE HIS
!
% HYSTERICAL
OVERRAKS
!
OVERREACTION.
% THERE'S NO
LEGAL
BASIS
FOR
THE
% THREAT.
% ADDITIONALLY,
THREATENED
MEMBERS% OF THE
COUNTY
BOARD
IN LAFAYETTE
% COUNTY
AND
PUBLIC
EMPLOYEES
WITH
% CONSEQUENCES IF THEY
WERE
TO
% TALK AT
ALL
ABOUT
THIS
UPCOMING
% GROUNDWATER
QUALITY REPORT.
% THEY
HAD
TO
TOE
THE
COMPANY LINE
% OR THEY WOULD
BE
IN
BIG
TROUBLE.
% AGAIN,
HUGE
CONSTITUTIONAL% PROBLEMS.
% THAT'S
NOT
WHY WE
HAVE
% INDEPENDENTLY-ELECTED PUBLIC
% OFFICIALS,
SO
THEY CAN BE
TOLD
% TO SIT
DOWN
AND
SHUT
UP.
% BOTH PRONGS
OF
THIS
PROPOSAL
% WERE
REMOVED.
% FIRST
THE
ONE AGAINST
MEDIA.
% THEN LATER IN
THE
DAY
ON
TUESDAY
% THE
PRONG
THAT
DEALT
WITH
PUBLIC
% OFFICIALS
ELECTED
AND
PUBLIC
% EMPLOYEES IN LAFAYETTE
COUNTY.% >>
NOW,
THE
COUNTY
BOARD
% CHAIRMAN
WON'T
ADMIT
WHO
WROTE
% IT.
% IS
IT
POSSIBLE
THE
AUTHOR
DIDN'T
% KNOW IT
WAS
BLATANTLY
% UNCONSTITUTIONAL?
% OR
WAS
THERE A
DIRECT
CHILLING
% EFFECT?
% >>
WELL,
WHOEVER
WROTE
THIS
% INTENDED TO
HAVE A
CHILLING
% EFFECT,
INTENDED
TO
CHILL
% SPEECH,
INTENDED
TO
FRIGHTEN
% PEOPLE
INTO
COMPLIANCE.
% IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE
THAT
THE
% PERSON
THOUGHT
THAT THIS
WAS
% OKAY, BUT
APPARENTLY
THE
PERSON
% DID OR THEY
WOULDN'T
HAVE
% PROPOSED THIS.
% AND IT
WAS
SO
OUTLANDISH,
AS
YOU
% NOTED,
IT
GENERATED NATIONAL
% ATTENTION,
THE WASHINGTON POST
% AND
THE NEW YORK TIMES
AND
I
% PRESUME
MANY
OTHER
PAPERS AROUND
% THE
COUNTRY
RAN AN
ASSOCIATED
% PRESS
STORY
ABOUT
THIS.
% IT'S
JUST
SO,
YOU
KNOW,
CRAZY
% THAT IT'S THE
TYPE
OF
THING
THAT
% DRAWS NATIONAL
ATTENTION.
% I THINK
AT
THE
HEARING
THAT
TOOK
% PLACE
ON
THIS
ON
TUESDAY THERE
% WAS A FAIR AMOUNT
OF
EXPRESSION% BY CITIZENS
THAT THEY
WERE
% EMBARRASSED BY THE
CONDUCT
OF
% THEIR
PUBLIC
OFFICIALS,
THAT% THEY WOULD
PUT
OUT
SOMETHING
% LIKE
THIS
THAT
WOULD
BRING
% DISREPUTE TO THE
COUNTY.% >>
WE'VE
HEARD
SIMILAR
STORIES
% OR
ROUGHLY
SIMILAR
VERSIONS
OF
% THIS
HAPPENING IN
OTHER
PLACES.
% IS
THAT
BECAUSE
WE'RE
HEARING
% MORE
NEWS,
THIS
GETS A NATIONAL
% REPEAT WHEN IT
HAPPENS,
OR IS
IT
% HAPPENING MORE
OFTEN?
% >> I DON'T KNOW.
% I THINK
IT'S AN
ANOMALY.
% I HOPE IT
IS.
% BUT
WHAT'S
DISSPIRITTING
ABOUT
% THIS EPISODE
IS
THAT
IT
HAPPENED
% TO BEGIN
WITH,
THAT
PEOPLE I
N
% POSITIONS OF
AUTHORITY
AT A
% COUNTY
GOVERNMENT
LEVEL
WHO
% DIDN'T KNOW
BETTER
THAN
TO
PUT
% SOMETHING
LIKE
THIS
FORWARD.% >>
BUT
QUESTIONS
LIKE
THIS
% EXIST.%GOVERNOR EVERS
HAD
ISSUES
ABOUT
% WHAT INFORMATION HE WAS
GOING
TO
% RELEASE TO
REPORTERS.% >> YEAH.
% THAT
WAS
THE
SECOND
% DISSPIRITTING THING THAT
WE
% HAPPENED
THAT
WE
CALLED
% ATTENTION TO
THIS
WEEK,
IS
THAT% A
MILWAUKEE
TELEVISION
STATION,
% FOX
6,
REPORTED
THAT
IT
HAD
% REQUESTED
INITIALLY A MONTH
% WORTH
OF
EMAILS TO
AND
FROM% GOVERNOR
EVERS, ONE OF
HIS
KEY
% STAFF
PEOPLE,
AND
WAS
TOLD THAT
% WAS TOO
BROAD A
REQUEST,
THEY
% COULDN'T COMPLY.
% SO IT
ASKED
FOR A
WEEK'S
WORTH
% OF
EMAILS.
% THEY WERE TOLD THAT WAS TOO
% BROAD AN
ABOUT,
THEY
COULDN'T
% COMPLY.
% THEY
SAID
GIVE
US ONE
DAY'S
% WORTH
OF
EMAILS.
% THEY WERE
TOLD
THAT
WAS
TOO
% BROAD A
REQUEST
AND
THEY
WEREN'T
% GOING TO GET ANY
RECORDS.
% BEGIN,
!
AGAIN,
THE
MIRROR
FACT
THAT
THE
% GOVERNOR
DID
THAT
GENERATED NEWS
% STORIES.
% I THINK
THE
GOVERNOR'S OFFICE
IS
% WRONG TO HAVE
DENIED
THE
% REQUEST.
% THAT'S
NOT
UNMANAGEABLE.
% THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH.
% OUR OPEN
RECORDS
LAW,
LIKE
OUR
% OPEN
MEETINGS
LAW,
HAS
BAKED
% RIGHT INTO
IT
THE
PRESUMPTION
OF
% MAXIMUM
OPENNESS.
% PUBLIC
OFFICIALS ARE
SUPPOSED TO
% ERR ON THE
SIDE
OF
BEING TOO
% OPEN,
NOT
TOO
SECRETIVE.
% IN THIS
CASE
IT
LOOKS
AS
THOUGH
% THE
GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE
WAS DOING
% EVERYTHING IT COULD
TO
TRY
TO
% FIND SOME REASON
TO
SAY NO
TO A
% REQUEST
FROM
THIS
TELEVISION
% STATION, WHEN UNDER
THE
LAW
AND
% UNDER
GOOD
PUBLIC
POLICY
IT
% SHOULD HAVE BEEN
DOING
% EVERYTHING I
T
COULD
TO
FIND
SOME
% REASON
TO
SAY
YES,
HERE
ARE
YOUR
% RECORDS.%>>
SO
THE
CHILLING
EFFECT
QUIETS
% PEOPLE, BUT ALL
THE
ATTENTION,
% DOES
THAT
HAVE
THE
OPPOSITE
% EFFECT, OF
MAYBE
KEEPING
THIS
% FROM
HAPPENING
SOMEWHERE
AGAIN?
% >>
I HOPE SO.
% I
HOPE WHAT
HAPPENED
IN% LAFAYETTE COUNTY AND WHAT
% HAPPENED WITH
THE
GOVERNOR
SENDS% A
SIGNAL
TO
PUBLIC
OFFICIALS
% THAT THERE ARE
CERTAIN
THINGS
% THEY
CAN'T GET
AWAY
WITH
AND
% SHOULDN'T TRY.
% IT
MAY
COME DOWN
TO
LITIGATION
% IN
THE
CASE
INVOLVING
THE
% TELEVISION STATION,
THE
% GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
% IF THE
STATION
WERE
TO
SUE
UNDER
% OUR OPEN
RECORDS
LAW
AND
SAY
% THAT
THE
DENIAL
WAS
IMPROPER, I
% THINK THE
COURTS
WOULD
AGREE
% WITH THAT.
% THAT WOULD BE
VERY
UNFORTUNATE
% BECAUSE GOVERNOR EVERS
DOESN'T
% NEED A
BLACK
EYE
OVER
THIS
% ISSUE.
% HE SHOULD BE
SEIZING EVERY
% OPPORTUNITY
HE
CAN
TO
USE
% TRANSPARENCY AS A
WAY
TO
BUILD
% TRUST WITH THE
PEOPLE
THAT
HE
% REPRESENTS AND SECOND
OF
ALL
TO
% MAKE
POSITIVE
ADVANCES
IN
AN
% AREA WHERE THE
PUBLIC
IS
% ONBOARD.
% THE
PUBLIC
LIKES
WHEN
PUBLIC
% OFFICIALS DO
THINGS
TO
MAKE
% GOVERNMENT MORE OPEN AND
HE% SHOULD BE DOING
THAT.% >> ALL
RIGHT.
% BILL
LUEDERS, THANKS FOR
YOUR
% TIME
TODAY.% >>
SURE.
% THANK
YOU.
% >>
NOW
FOR AN
UPDATE
ON
FORMER
% DATCP
SECRETARY-DESIGNEE BRAD% PFAFF.
% A
FEW
DAYS
AFTER
REPUBLICANS
% VOTED
DOWN
HIS
CONFIRMATION, HE
% FOUND A
LANDING SPOT
BACK
IN
THE
% EVERS'
ADMINISTRATION,
DIRECTOR
% OF
BUSINESS
AND
RURAL
% DEVELOPMENT FOR
THE DEPARTMENT
% OF ADMINISTRATION.
% HE
WILL
NOT
NEED
SENATE
% CONFIRMATION.
% HOWEVER,
THE
FALLOUT
FROM
THE
% VOTE
IS
NOT
OVER.
% AFTERWARDS, GOVERNOR EVERS MEET
% WITH DATCP EMPLOYEES AND
% ACCORDING TO
THE MILWAUKEE% JOURNAL
SENTINEL
EVERS
CALLED
% REPUBLICAN SENATORS
AMORAL
AND
% STUPID
AND
TOLD
EMPLOYEES
NOT
TO
% LET THE
BASTARDS
IMPEDE
THEIR
% WORK.
% EVERS
CLARIFIED
HE
DOES
NOT
% THINK REPUBLICAN SENATORS
ARE
% BASTARDS.
% FINALLY
TONIGHT, A LOOK AHEAD
TO
% NEXT
WEEK, A
LOOK
AT CHRONIC% WASTING DISEASE
IN
WISCONSIN'S
% DEER HERD
AND
ITS
IMPACT
ON
% HUNTERS.%>>
THE
NUMBER
OF
DEER
KILLED BY
% HUNTERS HAS
GONE
DOWN
SINCE
THE
% DISCOVERY
OF
CWD.
% BUT
CWD HAS
ALSO
SPREAD,
FROM
% THE
FIRST
THREE
POSITIVES
IN
% 2002, IT
HAS
EXPANDED
TO
COVER
% MOST
OF
SOUTHWEST
WISCONSIN.
% AND
NOW
56
COUNTIES EITHER
HAVE% A DEER
THAT
HAS
TESTED POSITIVE
% OR
ARE
WITHIN TEN MILES
OF A
% POSITIVE
CASE.
% >>
THAT
FULL
REPORT
NEXT
WEEK.
% ALSO
NEXT
FRIDAY
WE'LL
HAVE
% INFORMATION FROM
THE
LATEST
% MARQUETTE LAW
SCHOOL POLL
% INCLUDING HOW
HUNTERS
FEEL
ABOUT% CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE.
% I'M ZAC SCHULTZ.
% HAVE A
GREAT
WEEKEND.
% >>
FUNDING
FOR "HERE AND
NOW"
IS
% PROVIDED, IN
PART,
BY
FRIENDS
OF
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.