% >> NOW
TO
THE
2020
RACE
FOR
% PRESIDENT AND
WISCONSIN'S
ROLE.
% IN
TONIGHT'S INSIDE
LOOK,
WE
GOT% A
CHANCES T
O
CATCH
UP
WITH
538
% SENIOR
POLITICAL
WRITER CLARE% MALONE.
% MALONE
SERVED
AS
THE
FALL
2019
% PUBLIC
AFFAIRS
JOURNALIST
IN
%
RESIDENCE
AT
UW-MADISON.
% SHE
TALKS
ABOUT
ELECTABILITY AND
% IDENTITY
POLITICS.
% IN
OUR
DISCUSSION, WE
STARTED
BY
% ASKING
ABOUT
THOSE
TERMS
AND
HOW
% THEY FACTOR IN
THE
RACE
FOR
% PRESIDENT HERE IN
WISCONSIN.
% >>
WHEN
WE'RE
TALKING
ABOUT
% IDENTITY
POLITICS,
WE'RE
TALKING
% ABOUT
HOW
WHITE
PEOPLE
AND
BLACK
% PEOPLE AND
WOMEN
AND
MEN
SEE
THE
% SAME
ISSUE
IN
VERY
DIFFERENT
% WAYS.
% AND
I
THINK
IDENTITY
POLITICS
% CAN
SOMETIMES
GET
THROWN
AROUND
% AS A BAD TERM.
% BUT
I
DO
ACTUALLY
--
OR A
TERM
% THAT'S MEANT
TO
BE
DE!
!
DERISIVE.
% BUT IT'S IMPORTANT
TO
UNDERSTAND
% BECAUSE WE ARE
REACTING
TO
% ISSUES
EMOTIONALLY.
% THAT'S
THE
WAY
HUMAN
BEINGS% INTERACT WITH THE
WORLD.% >>
HOW
DOES
IDENTITY
POLITICS
% FACTOR INTO
WISCONSIN
WITH
ITS
% OBAMA/TRUMP
VOTERS?
% >>
WISCONSIN
IS AN
IMPORTANT
% STATE.
% IT
HAS
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS
WHO
% VOTED
FOR
OBAMA
AND
SWITCHED
% OVER
TO
TRUMP.
% THE INTERESTING
THING
ABOUT
% WISCONSIN IS
THAT
WE'RE TALKING
% ABOUT THE
IDENTITY
POLITICS OF
% WHITE PEOPLE.
% SO
THOSE
OBAMA/TRUMP VOTERS
% TENDED TO B
E
WHITE
PEOPLE
% WITHOUT A
COLLEGE
EDUCATION
WHO
% HAD
VOTED
FOR
DEMOCRATS
FOR A
% REALLY
LONG
TIME
AND
SOMETHING
% KIND OF
CHANGED
IN
THEIR
PARTY
% AFFILIATION DURING
THE
OBAMA
% YEARS,
DURING A TIME
WHEN,
YES,
% WE
HAD A
BLACK
PRESIDENT.
% I THINK
ISSUES
ABOUT
RACE
WERE
% TALKED
ABOUT A
LITTLE
MORE
% FRANKLY
AND A
LITTLE
MORE
OUT
IN% THE
OPEN.
% AND
I
DO
THINK
THAT
SOME
PEOPLE,
% YOU'LL
HEAR
PEOPLE
TALK
ABOUT
PC
% CULTURE, RIGHT?
% I
THINK
SOME
WAYS
THAT'S A
% REFERENCE TO
THE
MORE
OPEN
% CONVERSATION PEOPLE WERE
HAVING
% ABOUT RACE AND
SOME
OF
THOSE
% VOTERS
SAW
THAT
AS,
YOU
KNOW,
% YOU
COULD SAY
--
YOU
CAN
CALL
IT
% RACISM OR
YOU
CAN
SAY
IT'S A
% REACTION TO
WHAT
THEY
SAY
IS A
% BAD FOCUS FOR
THE
DEMOCRATIC% PARTY.
% THE
DEMOCRATIC
PARTY
SHOULD
ONLY
% BE
FOCUSED
ON
ECONOMIC
ISSUES,
% NOT
ISSUES OF
RACE.
% THOSE PEOPLE
ENDED
UP
VOTING
FOR% DONALD
TRUMP.
% YOU NO,
!
THERE'S A
LOT
OF
REASONS PEOPLE
% VOTED
FOR DONALD
TRUMP,
BUT
W
E
% DO SEE
IN
THE
NUMBERS THAT THERE
% WAS A
REAL
!
REALLY
BIG
SHIFT
OF
WHITE
% NONCOLLEGE
EDUCATED PEOPLE
% SWITCHING OVER TO
THE
REPUBLICAN
% SIDE OF
THINGS.
% AND
YOU
CAN'T
HELP
BUT
THINK
% THAT
THE
FIRST
BLACK
PRESIDENT
% HAD SOMETHING TO
DO
WITH
THAT.% >>
HOW
WILL
THOSE
VOTES
BE
WON
% OVER
IN
THIS
NEXT
ELECTION?
% >>
W
ELL,
I
THINK A
LOT
O
F
PEOPLE
% ON JOE
BIDDEN'S
TEAM
WOULD
TELL
% YOU
THAT
JOE
BIDEN
IS THE
% LEADING
CANDIDATE
WITH
BLACK
% VOTERS AND THEY WOULD
SAY
THAT
% JOE
BIDEN
FOR
THOSE
OBAMA/TRUMP
% VOTERS WHO KEE
P
ON
ASKING OR
% SAYING WE
WANT
THE
DEMOCRATIC
% PARTY OF
OLD,
WE
WANT
TO
FOCUS
% ON ECONOMIC
ISSUES,
THEY
MIGHT
% FIND JOE
BIDEN TO
BE,
A,
MORE
OF% A MODERATE
PERSON,
BUT,
B,
HE
% ALSO
KIND
OF
LOOKS
HOW
WE
THINK
% PRESIDENTS HAVE
TYPICALLY
% LOOKED, RIGHT?
% HE'S AN
OLDER
WHITE
MAN.
% AND
I
THINK
THAT THERE
IS
% SOMETHING
COMFORTING IN
BIDEN'S
% IDENTITY
TO
MAYBE
THOSE
% OBAMA/TRUMP
VOTERS,
WHITE,
% NONCOLLEGE
EDUCATED
VOTERS
IN
% WISCONSIN,
OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA
% AND
MICHIGAN.
% SO
THE
OTHER
CANDIDATES,
I
THINK
% YOU'LL
SEE
PEOPLE
MAKE
ATTACKS
% ON
WARREN
HARRIS
OR
EVEN
% SANDERS
FOR
BEING
TOO
LIBERAL,
% FOR ONE
THING,
AND
ALSO
BEING,
% YOU
KNOW,
IN
THE
CASE OF THE
% WOMEN,
REMINDERS
OF HILLARY
% CLINTON
AND
THE
2016
CAMPAIGN.% >>
SO
IS
ALL OF
THAT
AROUND
% ELECTABILITY?
% >> YES.
% I
MEAN,
I
THINK
THAT THERE
IS
--
% ELECTABILITY IS
SUCH A
FREIGHTED
% TERM THESE
DAYS.
% WHAT
IT
HAS
COME
TO
MEAN
IN
THIS
% CURRENT
ELECTION
CYCLE
IS
IT'S
% BECOME A
SHORTHAND
FOR
WHO
CAN
% WIN
THOSE
OBAMA/TRUMP VOTERS% BACK
IN
THE
ELECTORALLY KEY
% STATES OF
WISCONSIN, FOR
% INSTANCE.%AND I THINK IT
IS AN
UNDENIABLE
% FACT
THAT
THOSE
WISCONSIN
SWING
% VOTERS
OF A
CERTAIN
PERSUASION% MIGHT BE
MORE
INCLINED
TO
LIKE
% JOE
BIDEN
AND
HIS
IDENTITY AND
% HIS
MORE
MODERATE
POLICIES.
% BECAUSE
ONCE
YOU
GET
INTO
THE
% ZONE OF
TALKING
ABOUT
SAY
BERNIE
% SANDERS'
AND ELIZABETH
WARREN'S% HEALTH CARE
PLANS,
EVEN A
LOT
OF
% DEMOCRATS DON'T
LOVE
THE
IDEA
OF
% MEDICARE FOR
ALL
AND
THEY MIGHT
% BE
MORE
COMFORTABLE
WITH
BIDEN'S
% PLAN,
WHICH
IS
MEDICARE
FOR
SOME
% OR A PUBLIC OPTION.
% SO I
THINK
YOU
START TO GET
INTO
% REALLY
INTERESTING
INTERSECTING
% ISSUES
OF
IDENTITY
POLITICS
BUT
% ALSO
JUST
THE
DEMOCRATIC
PARTY
% IS
IN AN
IDEOLOGICAL
FLUX.% >>
IN
TERMS OF
THE
ELECTABILITY
% WORD, IS IT KIND
OF
FAIR
OR
% RIGHT
TO
DECIDE
WHO
TO
SUPPORT
% BASED
ON
ELECTABILITY?% >>
WELL,
I
THINK
THAT A
LOT
OF
% DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS
ARE
DOING
IT.
% THIS
IS A FIRST
--
AND
TO A
% CERTAIN
EXTENT,
YES.
% IT'S A
RATIONAL
REACTION
TO THE
% REALITIES OF THE
WORLD,
RIGHT?
% I
THINK
DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS, THIS% IS
THE FIRST TIME IN
QUITE
SOME
% TIME
THAT
DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS
HAVE
% TOLD
POLLSTERS
I
WOULD
VOTE
FOR
% SOMEONE WHO
I
THINK
HAS
THE
BEST
% CHANCE
TO
WIN
EVEN
IF I
DON'T
% REALLY AGREE WITH HIM
THE
MOST% OUT OF
ANY OF THE
CANDIDATES
IN
% THE FIELD.
% AND I
THINK
THAT
THAT'S A
% STRATEGIC WAY
OF
THINKING
ABOUT
% THE
ELECTION,
RIGHT?
% IT'S A STRATEGIC
WAY
OF
% UNDERSTANDING THAT WE
ARE A
% COUNTRY
THAT
ELECTS
ITS
% PRESIDENTS
NOT
B
Y
POPULAR
VOTE,
% BUT
BY
ELECTORAL COLLEGE
VOTE.
% AND CERTAIN
STATES
HAVE
MORE
% POWER
IN
THAT
PROCESS.
% CERTAIN STATES
LIKE,
AGAIN,
% WISCONSIN,
OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA,
% THAT
HAVE
SPECIFIC
POPULATION,
% THE
DEMOGRAPHICS
IN
THEIR
% POPULATION, RIGHT?
% THEY
TEND TO
BE
WHITER,
% PARTICULARLY
WISCONSIN, FOR
% EXAMPLE.
% SO
PEOPLE ARE
KIND
OF
BOWING
TO% THE
REALITIES
OF,
OKAY, THIS
IS
% WHO'S
DECIDING
THE
ELECTION.
% MAYBE WE SHOULD
CHOOSE A
% CANDIDATE THAT
WILL
APPEAL
TO
% THEM.
%
THEN
I
THINK YOU
HAVE
THE
OTHER
% SIDE OF
THE
ELECTABILITY
THING,
% WHICH
IS
SHOULD
WE
BE
% PERPETUATING THESE
KIND
OF
I
% THINK
MOST
PEOPLE
WOULD
AGREE
% THAT
RACISM
AND
SEXISM ARE
BAD
% THINGS IN
THE
WORLD.
% AND
SO
THE
IDEA
OF
SHOULD
WE
BE
% PERPETUATING
THOSE
STANDARDS
% THAT
ONLY
CERTAIN
CANDIDATES% SHOULD BE THE
PEOPLE WHO
ARE
OUR
% CANDIDATE BECAUSE THEY ARE
MORE
% APPEALING TO
RACIST
OR
SEXIST
% PEOPLE.
% THAT'S A
REALLY
HARD
% CONVERSATION TO HAVE.%AND
I
THINK
DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS
DO
% KIND OF
FIND
THEMSELVES
IN A
% MORAL
BIND,
WHICH
IS
ONE OF
THE
% REASONS WHY I
THINK
YOU
SEE
% PEOPLE
WHO
DON'T
LIKE
JOE
BIDEN% WHO
ARE
DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS
REALLY
% DON'T
LIKE
JOE
BIDEN
IN
PART
% BECAUSE
WHAT
THEY
THINK
HE
% REPRESENTS
ABOUT
ELECTABILITY,
% BECAUSE
THEY
THINK
PERHAPS
HE'S% A
CONCESSION
TO
TRUMP
VOTERS,
% MOB
LIBERAL
DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS,
% MIGHT
SEE
AS
HAVING
ENABLED A
% RACIST OR
SEXIST
PRESIDENT.% >>
WE
NEED
TO
LEAVE
IT
THERE.
% CLARE
MALONE, THANKS VERY
MUCH.% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
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