% >>
10
DEMOCRATS
ON
ONE
STAGE,
% EACH
SEEKING
THE
ATTENTION
AND
% THE
VOTE
TO MOVE AHEAD
TO
% NUMBER ONE.
% EACH
AND
EVERY
ONE
OF
THEM
% KNOWS WISCONSIN IS MOST
% IMPORTANT IN
TH
E 2020
ELECTION
% FOR
PRESIDENT.
% SO HOW DID
THEY FARE
IN
THE
% EYES OF
THE
WISCONSIN
% ELECTORATE?
% FOR THAT
WE
TURN
TO
POLITICAL
% ANALYST FORMER
POLITICIAN
% HIMSELF
UW
MILWAUKEE PROFESSOR
% EMERITUS MORDECAI
LEE.
% THANKS A LOT
FOR
BEING
HERE.% WHO WOULD
YOU
DECLARE
AS THE
% WINNERS AND
LOSERS
IN THE
THIRD
% DEMOCRATIC
DEBATE?
% >>
WELL,
AS
A
WISCONSINITE
I
% ROOT
FOR
THE UNDERDOG
FOR
THE
% MAVERICK.%I
THINK
IF
WE
SET
ASIDE THE BIG % THAOE
--
THREE
THAT SOME
HAD
% GOOD
NIGHTS.
% BOOKER, KLOBUCHAR
WERE
THE
% STAND-OUTS IF
WE MOVE AWAY
FROM
% THE
NOISE OF THE
BIG THREE.
% >>
LET'S
LOOK
AT
ONE
EXCHANGE
% FROM LAST
NIGHT THAT
FOCUSED
ON
% HEALTHCARE.
% BERNIE SANDERS
AND
AMY
% KLOBUCHAR ON
THE PROS
AND
CONS
% OF
A MEDICARE
FOR
HEALTH
PLAN.
% >>
I
WROTE
THE
DAMN
BILL
IF I
% MAY
SAY
SO.
% INTEND TO
ELIMINATE
ALL
% OUT-OF-POCKET
EXPENSES.
% >>
WHILE
BERNIE
WROTE
THE
BILL, % I
READ
THE
BILL.% AND
ON
PAGE
EIGHT
OF
THE
BILL
% IT
SAYS
THAT
WE
WILL
NO
LONGER
% HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE AS
WE
% KNOW
IT.
% >>
SO
THAT
WAS
KIND OF
AN
OUCH
% MOMENT.
% WHAT IS YOUR
REACTION
TO
THAT?
% >>
WELL, GENERALLY SPEAKING IN
% POLITICS YOU HAVE TO
DECIDE
% WILL YOU
GO
FOR
INCREMENTALISM.% MODEST CHANGE
OR
RADICAL
CHANGE.
% BERNIE
SANDERS
IS
THE
ULTIMATE % EXAMPLE
OF
RADICAL
CHANGE.
% KLOBUCHAR IS TRYING TO
RUN
IN
% THE
MIDDLE BUT
NOT
GET KILLED
% IN
THE
PRIMARIES.
% HARD TO
GET
ENTHUSIASTIC FROM
% THE VOTERS
FOR
BEING MODERATE.% I
THINK
SHE
HAD
A
GOOD
MOMENT
% THERE
BUT STILL
A TOUGH
PLACE % TO
BE
POLITICALLY.
% >>
IN
TERMS
OF
THAT,
THAT
% INTERACTION
AMONGST
THE
% CANDIDATES ON
MEDICARE
FOR ALL
% DELINEATES THE
SPLIT
BETWEEN
% THE
HARD
LEFT AND
MORE
MODERATE % DEMOCRATS.%IS
THAT ACCURATE?
% >> IT
DOES.
% I
WOULD
LIKE
TO
SUGGEST
LOOKING
% FORWARD,
I THINK
MEDICARE FOR
% ALL MIGHT
BE
POLITICAL
% QUICKSAND.%I
CAN
IMAGINE
A REPUBLICAN
% ATTACK COMMERCIAL THAT SAYS
TO % PEOPLE DO
YOU
WANT
TO
HAVE
% TAKEN
AWAY
FROM
YOU YOUR
% EMPLOYER HEALTH
INSURANCE?
% AND
GIVEN
THAT
MOST
AMERICANS
% HAVE
EMPLOYER
HEALTH
INSURANCE,
% I
THINK
THAT WOULD RADICALLY
% CHANGE
PUBLIC
OPINION.% AND
SO
THIS
IS A
REALLY
TOUGH
% STANCE.%THAT'S
WHY
SHE
WAS
TRYING
TO % SAY AND
BIDEN
WAS
TRYING
TO
SAY
% LET'S
GO
FOR
INCREMENTISM.% POLLING HAS
JOE
BIDEN
FAVORED % BY 51%
AND
PRESIDENT
DONALD
% TRUMP
BY
42% AMONG
WISCONSIN
% REGISTERED VOTERS.
% WHAT
COULD
UPSET
THAT
KIND OF
% LEAD
IN
WISCONSIN IN
THE
COMING
% MONTHS?
% >>
I
THINK
MOST
OF
THOSE % RESULTS
ARE NAME
RECOGNITION.
%
HAVE
YOU HEARD
OF
THIS
PERSON?
% DO YOU
KNOW THIS
PERSON?
%
AS
SOON
AS
WE
START
GETTING
% RESULTS
FROM
IOWA
AND
NEW
% HAMPSHIRE, I
THINK
THOSE
POLL
% RESULTS WILL
FADE
INTO
THE PAST
% BECAUSE THEN
PEOPLE
WILL
BE
% CONCENTRATING ON
THE VIABLE % CANDIDATES
OF
THOSE 10.
% BUT
RIGHT
NOW
THEY
ARE
THE % STAND-OUTS
BECAUSE
PEOPLE ARE % FAMILIAR
WITH THEM.
% >>
NOW, YOU
HAVE
A
PREDICTION.
% I
WOULD LIKE
TO
HEAR IT.
% >>
OK
AY.% I'M GOING
TO
PREDICT
THAT
IT
% WILL
NEITHER BE
SANDERS
OR
% BIDEN.
% I
JUST
HAVE
A
FEELING
THEY % AREN'T GOING
TO WEAR
WELL.
% NOW,
I MIGHT
BE
WRONG
AND
IF % I'M
WRONG
I
HOPE
YOU WILL
ERASE
% THIS
TAPE.
% I
THINK
THE
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS % WILL ULTIMATELY
DECIDE
THEY % WANT A
NEW
FACE AND
A
YOUNGER
% FACE.
% >>
SO YOU
MAKE
THAT
PREDICTION
% THAT
IT
WILL
BE
NEITHER
BIDEN
% NOR
SANDERS
AND
YOU SAY
A NEW
% FACE.%LIKE WHO?
% >>
OH GOSH,
HOW
ABOUT
ANY
OF
% THE
OTHER
EIGHT
OR
THE
OTHER % SEVEN, IT
SEEMS
TO
ME.
% I
THINK THEY
ALL
SHOWED % THEMSELVES
TO
BE ARTICULATE
AND
% POLICY -- THEY
KNEW WHAT THEY
% WERE
TALKING
ABOUT.
% I'M
GUESSING
7
OF
THOSE
10 WILL
% BE
ATTRACTIVE CANDIDATES.
% >>
ALL
EYES
ARE
ON
WISCONSIN
AS % THE CRUCIAL
BATTLEGROUND
STATE
% OF THE
2020 PRESIDENTIAL % ELECTION.%
WHAT IN
YOUR
MIND
IS GOING
TO
% WIN
THE
VOTE OF
WISCONSIN
% INDEPENDENTS WHO
MIGHT HAVE
% FLIPPED
SAY FROM
BARACK OBAMA
% TO DONALD TRUMP?
% >>
WISCONSIN IS SUCH
A
DIVIDED
% STATE.
% WHEN
IN
THE
LAST
PRESIDENTIAL
% ELECTION IT
WAS
WON
BY
ABOUT
% 22,000 VOTES
OVER
I
THINK
IT
% WAS
2 1/2
MILLION
VOTES CAST.
% IN
THE
LAST
SUPREME
COURT
% ELECTION WON
BY
6,000
VOTES.
% IF
YOU ARE
LOOKING
AT
IT
AS
A % STATISTICIAN THAT'S
A
RANDOM
% RESULT.%THAT'S
JUST
SO UNPREDICTABLE.
% SO
I
GUESS
THE
LESSON
HERE
SAYS % THAT
EVERY
VOTE
COUNTS.
% YOU
CAN'T TAKE
ANYTHING
FOR
% GRANTED.%AND
IN
PARTICULAR
WHAT
HAPPENED
% WITH
CLINTON
IS
SHE
DID
NOT
% EXCITE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
VOTERS
% IN
MILWAUKEE.
% AND SO YOU
NEED
A
CANDIDATE WHO
% WOULD
DO
THAT.
% CERTAINLY PEOPLE
WHO
LIKE
TRUMP
% ARE NOT
GOING
TO
CHANGE.
% BUT
WISCONSIN
HAS
SUCH
A
NEW % CATEGORY
OF
FLIP
VOTERS.
% IN
OTHER WORDS,
COLLEGE
% EDUCATED
WOMEN.
% THAT IS
THE
TARGET
DEMOGRAPHIC.
% WHOEVER WINS THEM
WILL
WIN
% WISCONSIN.
% >>
FOR
A POLITICAL
JUNKIE
LIKE
% YOURSELF
HOW
EXCITING
IS
THIS
% RACE AND WISCONSIN'S
PLACE
IN
% IT?
% >>
YOU
KNOW,
FREDERICA,
I'VE
% BEEN
FOLLOWING
WISCONSIN % POLITICS
SINCE
THE
1960s.
% I NEVER IMAGINED
THAT WISCONSIN % WOULD BE THE
CENTER OF
THE
% POLITICAL UNIVERSE.
% I
THINK
IT'S NOT
AN
% EXAGGERATION
TO
SAY
THAT
WE
IN
% WISCONSIN WILL ELECT
THE
NEXT % PRESIDENT.
% THAT'S ASTONISHING FOR SUCH
A
% SMALL
STATE.
% WE
HAVE 10
ELECTORAL
COLLEGE
% VOTES.
% THERE
ARE
SO
FEW STATES
THAT % CAN
FLIP.
% IN FACT, AT
THE
BEGINNING
OF A
% STATEMENT
YESTERDAY
LISTED
HALF
% A
DOZEN
STATES
THAT WERE
% TARGETS FOR
DEMOCRATS.% WISCONSIN
WAS
ON IT.
% SO I THINK WE
CAN
SORT
OF
SIT
% BACK AND
ALMOST
FEEL
LIKE
WE'RE
% IN
NEW HAMPSHIRE
OR
IN
IOWA.
% THAT'S HOW MUCH
PEOPLE
ARE % GOING TO
BE
HERE.
% >>
AL
L RIGHT,
MORDECAI
LEE
% WE'LL
SPEAK
WITH
YOU
AS THE
% MONTHS GO BY.
% THANKS
VERY
MUCH.
% EVEN
AS
DEMOCRATS
RUNNING
FOR
% PRESIDENT DEBATED
IN TEXAS,
THE
% TRUMP CAMPAIGN
PAID A
VISIT
TO
% WISCONSIN.
% SENIOR CAMPAIGN
ADVISOR
% KIMBERLY
GUILFOYLE APPEARED AT
% UW-MADISON
AND
SPOKE
AT
A
RALLY
% SPONSORED
BY THE
CAMPUS
COLLEGE
% REPUBLICANS.
% >>
THEIR POLITICS AND
IDEOLOGY,
% WHAT
THEY
WANT
TO PUT
FORWARD
% IS
REALLY
SOCIALISM.
% IT
WILL
CREATE
STAGNANT WAGES % AND
LESS
JOB
OPPORTUNITIES.% SO
WHY
WOULD
WE
LET
THEM
% SQUANDER THE
6
MILLION NEW
JOBS
% ALREADY
CREATED?
% I'LL TELL
YOU
SOMETHING, THE
% UNITED
STATES,
PRESIDENT
TRUMP
% IS
REELECTED
IN 2020,
AMERICA
% WILL
NEVER BE