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>> Some
can't

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can't
Let me try.

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that again
.

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Sometimes
candidates

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choose
their

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issues.
Sometimes the

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issues
choose

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them.
We

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look
few items in the

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news
flockeek, from

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cameras
to

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election
integrity to

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the name
great

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lake.
This is

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inside
.isconsin politics

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I'm
Shawn

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Johnson
here with my

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colleagues,
Wagtendonk

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Zac
Richultz and

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Kremer
in Eau

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Claire.
everyone.

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So
flock

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cameras.
These

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cameras run
by a

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private
company that

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are
used

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by
law

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enforcement
vehicle

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surveillance,
have been

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one
of

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those
slowly

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building
issues

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in
US.

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I got to
say,

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I was
untilibly aware of them

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about
April.

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It
likems

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they have
entered

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our
politics

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here,
though.

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As
we

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enter
September.

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Zac,
do they

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fit when it
comes

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to this year's
elections?

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>> They are
the

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new
issue

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and it
feels like they're a

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build out from the
center argument.

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This
idea

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of
AI

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surveillance
state.

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How in
control

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are we
of

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our own
destiny?

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And
really

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interesting
political

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topics
that

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don't
into

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the
typical

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partisan
narrative.

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So
they

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not only
do

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we
figureto

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out
how do

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people
think

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about them, but the
candidates have to figure

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out where
do we

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think about
issues

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because they
pocketshe usual

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where they can say,
this is a Republican

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issue,
They fall issue.

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across
them.of

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And the idea
that

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license
plate

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readers,
these is essentially

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cameras are, have
around for a long

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time.
them, but many otherlow

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states
lightd

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cameras.
People have

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argued
whether those are

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fair or
can get a ticket

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in the mail if
driven through Illinois

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and
worried and

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about the toll
catching you or your

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license plate having
g

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on it, those are
old issues. But the

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idea
can justntere

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collect all that
withouttically track you

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any
idea

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that
it's

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happening,
or

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people can
use it for

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nefarious
purposes or

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outside of
a

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subpoena is
bringing

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it
into

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legal
territory.

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It
builds off

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these
questions

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about how
involved should

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our
government

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be when
comes

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to these, and
where

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should our
stand?icians

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And right
now, what

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we're seeing is the
gubernatorial candidate

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ng,
I need

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to think
real quick

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where I
be on to

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this, because
this

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could be the next thing
bite me in

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the butt in a
few weeks. If I

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don't have
falls inn that

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line with where my
voters are and independent

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voters.
where are

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our
candidates

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on
these?

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And
you

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know,
what kind

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of
political

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bedfellows are
seeing

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here?
I Yeah,

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mean,
as Zac

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said,
it

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doesn't fall
into

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these kind of clear
political

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narratives.
sond

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we are seeing
kind

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of
candidates,

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much like
the data

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center
issue,

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kind
use

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this to
go

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after
one

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another.
So in

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particular,
Tom

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Tiffany this
week has

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been
trying

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to
call

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David
Crowley

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big
brother,

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David
Crowley.

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So
first he was

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data
center David Crowley,

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now
he's big brother

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because
of

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the
ways in

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which
flock was

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used
Milwaukee

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County.
For his

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part.
David.

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David.
David

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Crowley
is now

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trying
to

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reduce the use
of

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them in
County.e

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There's
the policys to

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in
Milwaukee

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City
as well.

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And
so

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both
candidates are

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really trying
to kind of

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leverage
people's

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feelings
on both

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the right
and the

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left, sort of
against

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this
tool

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for their
own

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political
aims.

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>> And
rich,

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it
strikes

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me
that there

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is
not

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a
really

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clean
line

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of
where

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conservative stands on
this.

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You know, there's not
a

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Republican
position

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when
it

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comes to
flock

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cameras.
What's

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the
sort of

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spectrum
of

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where they
stand

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on
this

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?
isYeah, it

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surprising
because,

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you know,
typically

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you think
of

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the
GOP

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as
as,

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you
know,

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lockstep
with law

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enforcement
and law

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enforcement
has been

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using
this

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technology
for

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homicide
all sorts ofons,

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things. But
also

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seen
stories,

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including two
in

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Milwaukee
situations

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where
officers

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are
using

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it for
personal

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reasons
or

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just
not for

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what
it's

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intended.
Unauthorized

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use.
And that

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is
what

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is
part of

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what's
getting

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people
really

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upset.
So on the

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Republican
side,

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it
seems

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like
the moregot

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libertarian
whoople

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just
don't

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like this
idea of

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surveillance
at

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all.
You've

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got
some

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on
in the

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Republican
Party that

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are
saying,

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look, this
is

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just
another

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tool.
It's

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been
for a

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long
time.

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They don't
understand why

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it's a
big

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deal
right

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now.
And then

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you've
got

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Tom
Tiffany,

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who's
trying to

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thread that
needle,

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as
Anya

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mentioned,
he's

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been
attacking

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David
Crowley,

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claiming
that

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Crowley
is

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all about
these

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things
and

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is
is a

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big
supporter

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of
Crowley

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has
said

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they
an

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important
tool,

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but
he

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said,
quote,

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unchecked
surveillance

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isn't the
answer.

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So that
speaks

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to
the limits

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that the
is putting

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in
place

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n
ow.

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And
with

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regard to
surveillance,

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Tiffany's
position is

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kind of
interesting. He

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says
he

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would
block

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state
funds

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going
towards shared

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revenue to
local

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governments.
He would

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essentially
say this

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money
can't be used

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to
these types

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of
cameras

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or
systems

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until we
ahave

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committee
task

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force,
take a look

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at it.
And

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that's
interesting

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because
in

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Congress,
Tiffany

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has
voted to

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restore
or to

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continue
the

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FISA
surveillance,

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which
is

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essentially
warrantless

294
13:33:35,215 --> 13:33:35,782
mass
surveillance

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of
cell

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13:33:36,884 --> 13:33:38,552
phone
conversations, text

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13:33:38,619 --> 13:33:40,487
messages,
electronic

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communications. And
backt

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13:33:41,355 --> 13:33:42,356
in its
days,

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in
early

301
13:33:43,824 --> 13:33:44,858
2000
was a

302
13:33:44,925 --> 13:33:46,326
very
big

303
13:33:46,393 --> 13:33:47,060
political
issue

304
13:33:47,127 --> 13:33:47,728
that's kind
of

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13:33:47,794 --> 13:33:48,929
died
down

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13:33:48,996 --> 13:33:49,563
somewhat
more

307
13:33:49,630 --> 13:33:50,898
recent
years.

308
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>> So
we

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13:33:51,798 --> 13:33:52,432
could
imagine

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13:33:52,499 --> 13:33:53,567
a
different

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world,
right,

312
13:33:54,201 --> 13:33:55,869
rich,
where

313
13:33:56,170 --> 13:33:56,603
this
comese

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up.
And

315
13:33:57,905 --> 13:33:58,572
Tom
Tiffany,

316
13:33:58,639 --> 13:33:59,173
who's
trying

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13:33:59,239 --> 13:34:00,073
to
run

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13:34:00,140 --> 13:34:00,641
as
tough

319
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on
crime

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13:34:01,975 --> 13:34:02,776
candidate
and wants

321
13:34:02,843 --> 13:34:03,610
to
say,

322
13:34:03,677 --> 13:34:04,411
let's not
be

323
13:34:04,478 --> 13:34:05,145
Milwaukee
since he's

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13:34:05,212 --> 13:34:05,879
running
against the

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13:34:05,946 --> 13:34:06,980
Milwaukee
candidate,

326
13:34:07,047 --> 13:34:08,148
you
definitely

327
13:34:08,215 --> 13:34:09,216
imagine a
where he's

328
13:34:09,283 --> 13:34:10,050
saying, we
need to give

329
13:34:10,117 --> 13:34:10,851
police
every

330
13:34:10,918 --> 13:34:11,451
tool that
they

331
13:34:11,518 --> 13:34:12,252
want
to

332
13:34:12,319 --> 13:34:14,154
fight
crime.

333
13:34:14,221 --> 13:34:15,422
Has there
anyen

334
13:34:15,489 --> 13:34:16,490
hint of that in
Tom Tiffany's

335
13:34:16,557 --> 13:34:18,225
saying
?

336
13:34:19,526 --> 13:34:20,260
>> Well,
he's

337
13:34:20,327 --> 13:34:21,261
he's
essentially

338
13:34:21,328 --> 13:34:21,929
not saying
he's

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13:34:21,995 --> 13:34:22,829
going to take
this

340
13:34:22,896 --> 13:34:23,397
tool
away,

341
13:34:23,463 --> 13:34:24,398
but he
wants

342
13:34:24,464 --> 13:34:25,632
to put
more

343
13:34:25,699 --> 13:34:26,900
safeguards in
place

344
13:34:26,967 --> 13:34:27,701
just
in my

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13:34:27,768 --> 13:34:28,769
social
media

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13:34:28,836 --> 13:34:30,537
stream
last

347
13:34:30,604 --> 13:34:31,638
night, I
saw

348
13:34:31,705 --> 13:34:32,706
two
posts

349
13:34:32,773 --> 13:34:33,473
back to
back

350
13:34:33,540 --> 13:34:34,775
on
Twitter

351
13:34:34,842 --> 13:34:35,943
and
one

352
13:34:36,009 --> 13:34:37,678
was
Tiffany

353
13:34:38,178 --> 13:34:39,012
calling
David

354
13:34:39,079 --> 13:34:40,013
Crowley big
brother,

355
13:34:40,080 --> 13:34:40,647
Crowley
or, you

356
13:34:40,714 --> 13:34:41,582
know,
flat

357
13:34:41,648 --> 13:34:42,616
camera
Andowley.

358
13:34:42,683 --> 13:34:43,550
the next
post was

359
13:34:43,617 --> 13:34:44,351
someone
with

360
13:34:44,418 --> 13:34:46,053
Tiffany's
campaign

361
13:34:46,119 --> 13:34:46,720
talking
about a

362
13:34:46,787 --> 13:34:47,621
third
party

363
13:34:47,688 --> 13:34:48,589
ad
highlighting

364
13:34:48,655 --> 13:34:49,356
the the
fights

365
13:34:49,423 --> 13:34:49,957
and
melee

366
13:34:50,023 --> 13:34:50,591
we
saw

367
13:34:50,657 --> 13:34:51,091
at the
state

368
13:34:51,158 --> 13:34:51,859
Fair
and talk

369
13:34:51,925 --> 13:34:52,492
about
talking

370
13:34:52,559 --> 13:34:54,061
about
how

371
13:34:54,127 --> 13:34:54,595
Crowley is
soft

372
13:34:54,661 --> 13:34:55,462
on
crime.

373
13:34:55,529 --> 13:34:56,063
And it
just

374
13:34:56,129 --> 13:34:57,164
struck me
as

375
13:34:57,231 --> 13:34:57,931
as kind
of

376
13:34:57,998 --> 13:34:59,366
ironic
because

377
13:34:59,433 --> 13:35:00,400
you're
saying

378
13:35:00,467 --> 13:35:02,069
he's
too

379
13:35:02,135 --> 13:35:03,504
supportive
of this

380
13:35:03,570 --> 13:35:04,938
technology
that law

381
13:35:05,005 --> 13:35:05,839
enforcement
uses, but

382
13:35:05,906 --> 13:35:06,573
also
soft

383
13:35:06,640 --> 13:35:07,207
on
crime.

384
13:35:07,274 --> 13:35:08,208
So
which

385
13:35:08,275 --> 13:35:09,843
is
>> Is there

386
13:35:09,910 --> 13:35:10,611
something,
Zac,

387
13:35:10,677 --> 13:35:11,678
about
Wisconsin's

388
13:35:11,745 --> 13:35:12,346
politics
being

389
13:35:12,412 --> 13:35:13,447
sort
of a

390
13:35:13,514 --> 13:35:15,249
little
libertarian that makes this

391
13:35:15,315 --> 13:35:15,983
issue different
than

392
13:35:16,049 --> 13:35:16,583
than
in other

393
13:35:16,650 --> 13:35:17,317
states?
I

394
13:35:17,384 --> 13:35:18,318
mean,
I

395
13:35:18,385 --> 13:35:19,586
think about you
kind of

396
13:35:19,653 --> 13:35:20,854
referenced it there,
there

397
13:35:20,921 --> 13:35:22,823
has been a push
years to have

398
13:35:22,890 --> 13:35:24,424
red light
and thatere,

399
13:35:24,491 --> 13:35:25,726
has
defeated in the

400
13:35:25,792 --> 13:35:26,360
legislature.
Every

401
13:35:26,426 --> 13:35:27,861
time.
You

402
13:35:27,928 --> 13:35:28,395
know, there
was

403
13:35:28,462 --> 13:35:28,829
a
inime

404
13:35:28,896 --> 13:35:29,963
the
more

405
13:35:30,030 --> 13:35:30,697
distant
past

406
13:35:30,764 --> 13:35:31,798
when there
was

407
13:35:31,865 --> 13:35:32,599
resistance
to

408
13:35:32,666 --> 13:35:33,166
giving
police the

409
13:35:33,233 --> 13:35:34,001
ability
to

410
13:35:34,067 --> 13:35:34,701
write
forckets

411
13:35:34,768 --> 13:35:35,536
not
wearing a

412
13:35:35,602 --> 13:35:37,404
seatbelt.
Here. Is

413
13:35:37,738 --> 13:35:38,238
Wisconsin kind
of

414
13:35:38,305 --> 13:35:39,139
a
unique

415
13:35:39,206 --> 13:35:40,140
place when it
comes

416
13:35:40,207 --> 13:35:41,341
to issues like
flock

417
13:35:41,408 --> 13:35:43,477
.
>> Potentially is, and

418
13:35:43,544 --> 13:35:44,178
there's a
history

419
13:35:44,244 --> 13:35:45,379
that
about your

420
13:35:45,445 --> 13:35:46,113
individual
liberties as

421
13:35:46,180 --> 13:35:47,347
a member
the motorcycle

422
13:35:47,414 --> 13:35:48,415
helmet
inssue

423
13:35:48,482 --> 13:35:49,283
Wisconsin,
being the

424
13:35:49,349 --> 13:35:50,117
home of
Harley Davidson,

425
13:35:50,184 --> 13:35:50,751
you
didn't

426
13:35:50,817 --> 13:35:52,186
have to
wear a

427
13:35:52,252 --> 13:35:53,954
helmet in Wisconsin for
long time. And

428
13:35:54,021 --> 13:35:54,888
there were
debates about

429
13:35:54,955 --> 13:35:55,622
whether it
okay

430
13:35:55,689 --> 13:35:56,356
to
ban

431
13:35:56,423 --> 13:35:57,291
the use
cell

432
13:35:57,357 --> 13:35:59,359
phones in
there wasd

433
13:35:59,426 --> 13:36:01,228
already laws that
things All these

434
13:36:01,295 --> 13:36:03,263
that we've covered
the Capitol over the

435
13:36:03,330 --> 13:36:05,032
years, and there is
mentality that we

436
13:36:05,098 --> 13:36:07,267
don't go
or wait to see

437
13:36:07,334 --> 13:36:09,236
where other states go
and then figure

438
13:36:09,303 --> 13:36:11,104
out if it
Andnse for Wisconsin.

439
13:36:11,171 --> 13:36:12,472
there's a lot of
independents that

440
13:36:12,539 --> 13:36:13,207
just
don't

441
13:36:13,273 --> 13:36:13,874
like the
idea

442
13:36:13,941 --> 13:36:14,975
of
being

443
13:36:15,042 --> 13:36:15,776
watched
or

444
13:36:15,843 --> 13:36:17,144
being
followed.

445
13:36:17,211 --> 13:36:18,045
And
a lot of

446
13:36:18,111 --> 13:36:19,913
these
came from like the

447
13:36:19,980 --> 13:36:21,114
sci fi movies that
watched as

448
13:36:21,181 --> 13:36:21,715
kids
that are

449
13:36:21,782 --> 13:36:23,016
now
in

450
13:36:23,083 --> 13:36:23,650
reality.
And it's

451
13:36:23,717 --> 13:36:24,451
scary
for some

452
13:36:24,518 --> 13:36:24,918
people
because

453
13:36:24,985 --> 13:36:25,419
we've
been

454
13:36:25,485 --> 13:36:26,520
trained
for

455
13:36:26,587 --> 13:36:27,321
decades
that

456
13:36:27,387 --> 13:36:27,955
when these
things

457
13:36:28,021 --> 13:36:28,655
happen,
it's

458
13:36:28,722 --> 13:36:29,690
the bad
times

459
13:36:29,756 --> 13:36:30,557
and
they're

460
13:36:30,624 --> 13:36:31,191
happening
now. So

461
13:36:31,258 --> 13:36:32,759
people
are

462
13:36:32,826 --> 13:36:34,761
hearing
thee left and

463
13:36:34,828 --> 13:36:36,530
right that, hey, this
isn't what I signed

464
13:36:36,597 --> 13:36:38,265
up for.
it is a tool

465
13:36:38,599 --> 13:36:39,533
that
enforcementaw

466
13:36:39,600 --> 13:36:40,367
track
down people

467
13:36:40,434 --> 13:36:40,868
that have
committed

468
13:36:40,934 --> 13:36:41,668
crimes,
the

469
13:36:41,735 --> 13:36:42,269
question is,
does

470
13:36:42,336 --> 13:36:43,403
it go too
far?

471
13:36:43,470 --> 13:36:44,371
And in
this

472
13:36:44,438 --> 13:36:46,039
era
of

473
13:36:46,106 --> 13:36:47,608
ICE
bursting into

474
13:36:47,674 --> 13:36:48,509
cities, the
question of

475
13:36:48,575 --> 13:36:49,243
whether
police

476
13:36:49,309 --> 13:36:50,744
are going to
come

477
13:36:50,811 --> 13:36:52,346
through
left and rightre's

478
13:36:52,412 --> 13:36:54,848
debates over
warrantless

479
13:36:54,915 --> 13:36:55,816
breaking into
apartments to

480
13:36:55,883 --> 13:36:56,517
arrest
Thenple.

481
13:36:56,583 --> 13:36:57,284
they
got the wrong

482
13:36:57,351 --> 13:36:59,219
door
and all sorts of

483
13:36:59,286 --> 13:37:01,154
things that go beyond
where people are

484
13:37:01,221 --> 13:37:03,123
just
they getf, hey,

485
13:37:03,190 --> 13:37:04,825
it wrong? I don't
trust AI. They can't

486
13:37:04,892 --> 13:37:06,293
even
myeat my

487
13:37:06,360 --> 13:37:08,095
answer into my
theyrectly. How are

488
13:37:08,161 --> 13:37:09,930
going to get this
right when it comes

489
13:37:09,997 --> 13:37:10,564
to
>>resting someone?

490
13:37:10,631 --> 13:37:11,431
Ana
, do

491
13:37:11,498 --> 13:37:13,033
we have
evidence that this

492
13:37:13,100 --> 13:37:14,768
is going
an issue that moves

493
13:37:14,835 --> 13:37:15,369
people in
November,

494
13:37:15,435 --> 13:37:16,470
or
are

495
13:37:16,537 --> 13:37:17,804
people going to
one voting

496
13:37:17,871 --> 13:37:18,505
flock?
>> You know,

497
13:37:18,572 --> 13:37:20,240
I
if int know

498
13:37:20,541 --> 13:37:22,409
the same way that
data center issue

499
13:37:22,476 --> 13:37:24,344
is, you
of a rich text

500
13:37:24,411 --> 13:37:26,613
of an issue that
people of

501
13:37:26,680 --> 13:37:28,048
can read, many
orort of problems

502
13:37:28,115 --> 13:37:28,815
concerns
into

503
13:37:28,882 --> 13:37:29,816
flock
seems a

504
13:37:29,883 --> 13:37:30,717
little bit
And sower.

505
13:37:30,784 --> 13:37:32,586
I
think it'll be up

506
13:37:32,653 --> 13:37:34,087
to the candidates to
try toy

507
13:37:34,154 --> 13:37:35,222
connect
with flock

508
13:37:35,289 --> 13:37:35,956
to
other

509
13:37:36,023 --> 13:37:36,890
things
in

510
13:37:36,957 --> 13:37:38,225
order to drive
that.

511
13:37:38,292 --> 13:37:40,093
So
seen innts we've

512
13:37:40,460 --> 13:37:42,329
other states,
the onlyWisconsin

513
13:37:42,396 --> 13:37:43,764
state kind of
now,h this right

514
13:37:43,830 --> 13:37:44,331
is that
these

515
13:37:44,398 --> 13:37:45,465
contracts
are very

516
13:37:45,532 --> 13:37:46,033
expensive.
And so

517
13:37:46,099 --> 13:37:46,800
at a
time

518
13:37:46,867 --> 13:37:48,235
that a lot
of

519
13:37:48,302 --> 13:37:49,369
communities
andreally struggling,

520
13:37:49,436 --> 13:37:51,004
certainly a lot
are really

521
13:37:51,071 --> 13:37:51,471
struggling
financially.

522
13:37:51,538 --> 13:37:52,239
And
then

523
13:37:52,306 --> 13:37:52,973
your
town, you

524
13:37:53,040 --> 13:37:53,540
know,
maybe can't

525
13:37:53,607 --> 13:37:54,474
pave
your

526
13:37:54,541 --> 13:37:54,975
potholes,
but has

527
13:37:55,042 --> 13:37:56,643
a
$10 million

528
13:37:56,710 --> 13:37:57,344
contract.
That is

529
13:37:57,411 --> 13:37:58,178
a
connection that I

530
13:37:58,245 --> 13:37:59,213
think
will register with

531
13:37:59,279 --> 13:38:00,848
voters.
I'm not sure if

532
13:38:00,914 --> 13:38:01,782
this issue in and
of itself,

533
13:38:01,849 --> 13:38:02,616
just
the

534
13:38:02,683 --> 13:38:03,784
kind of AI
and

535
13:38:03,851 --> 13:38:04,952
surveillance
aspect, will

536
13:38:05,018 --> 13:38:05,552
necessarily
sway voters.

537
13:38:05,619 --> 13:38:06,420
But
as we always

538
13:38:06,486 --> 13:38:07,788
say,
only need to

539
13:38:07,855 --> 13:38:09,056
sway a few
in

540
13:38:09,122 --> 13:38:10,691
Wisconsin to win an
election.

541
13:38:10,757 --> 13:38:11,558
do
feel

542
13:38:11,625 --> 13:38:12,459
like on
something like this,

543
13:38:12,526 --> 13:38:14,027
I
to take a

544
13:38:14,094 --> 13:38:15,062
step back
because,

545
13:38:15,128 --> 13:38:15,762
you know,
journalists,

546
13:38:15,829 --> 13:38:17,264
we see a
new

547
13:38:17,331 --> 13:38:19,333
issue out there. We
don't know how people

548
13:38:19,399 --> 13:38:21,168
are
exciting. You know,

549
13:38:21,235 --> 13:38:23,270
we feel
must be the next

550
13:38:23,337 --> 13:38:25,439
big thing. Marquette had
that poll last week

551
13:38:25,506 --> 13:38:26,707
asking
their most important

552
13:38:26,773 --> 13:38:27,774
issues.
5%

553
13:38:27,841 --> 13:38:29,042
said
data

554
13:38:29,109 --> 13:38:29,910
centers. And
it was

555
13:38:29,977 --> 13:38:31,011
like
around

556
13:38:31,078 --> 13:38:31,778
40%
or

557
13:38:31,845 --> 13:38:33,313
so
plus. That

558
13:38:33,380 --> 13:38:34,348
said, the
cost of

559
13:38:34,414 --> 13:38:35,082
living.
So

560
13:38:35,148 --> 13:38:36,083
I think
the old

561
13:38:36,149 --> 13:38:37,184
issues
maybe

562
13:38:37,251 --> 13:38:37,851
still
carry a

563
13:38:37,918 --> 13:38:38,318
little
bit

564
13:38:38,385 --> 13:38:39,686
more
weight.

565
13:38:39,753 --> 13:38:40,487
We
did get

566
13:38:40,554 --> 13:38:41,121
some
other news

567
13:38:41,188 --> 13:38:42,256
this
week

568
13:38:42,322 --> 13:38:42,923
that
feels a

569
13:38:42,990 --> 13:38:44,458
little
more

570
13:38:44,525 --> 13:38:45,192
familiar.
There's

571
13:38:45,259 --> 13:38:47,060
an
investigation.

572
13:38:47,327 --> 13:38:48,428
CNN
reported

573
13:38:48,495 --> 13:38:48,929
being
launched

574
13:38:48,996 --> 13:38:50,297
by
the

575
13:38:50,364 --> 13:38:51,231
Department of
Homeland

576
13:38:51,298 --> 13:38:52,966
Security
into

577
13:38:54,301 --> 13:38:55,135
noncitizen
voter

578
13:38:55,202 --> 13:38:55,903
fraud
in

579
13:38:55,969 --> 13:38:57,104
nine
states,

580
13:38:57,171 --> 13:38:58,805
including
Wisconsin.

581
13:38:58,872 --> 13:38:59,473
Rich,
tell us

582
13:38:59,540 --> 13:39:01,208
about
that

583
13:39:02,142 --> 13:39:02,943
.
So this

584
13:39:03,010 --> 13:39:03,377
comes
from

585
13:39:03,443 --> 13:39:04,711
an
internal

586
13:39:04,778 --> 13:39:05,746
memo from the
federal

587
13:39:05,812 --> 13:39:07,080
government that
CNN

588
13:39:07,147 --> 13:39:07,948
obtained.
It

589
13:39:08,015 --> 13:39:08,916
listed the
states,

590
13:39:08,982 --> 13:39:10,450
of
Wisconsin,

591
13:39:10,517 --> 13:39:11,518
also
Georgia and

592
13:39:11,585 --> 13:39:12,152
Pennsylvania.
Those

593
13:39:12,219 --> 13:39:12,920
two caught
my

594
13:39:12,986 --> 13:39:13,420
attention
as well.

595
13:39:13,487 --> 13:39:14,421
But
a

596
13:39:14,488 --> 13:39:16,123
number of
states

597
13:39:16,190 --> 13:39:17,858
included.
So

598
13:39:18,358 --> 13:39:19,927
this is
essentially

599
13:39:19,993 --> 13:39:20,694
in
a

600
13:39:20,761 --> 13:39:22,062
a
plans for

601
13:39:22,129 --> 13:39:24,064
a big
investigation into

602
13:39:24,131 --> 13:39:25,432
noncitizen
voting,

603
13:39:25,499 --> 13:39:26,900
fraudulent
voting

604
13:39:26,967 --> 13:39:27,601
ahead of
the

605
13:39:27,668 --> 13:39:28,836
election.
And

606
13:39:28,902 --> 13:39:29,336
traditionally,
you know,

607
13:39:29,403 --> 13:39:30,103
this
is what

608
13:39:30,170 --> 13:39:31,505
CNN
reported.

609
13:39:31,572 --> 13:39:32,706
Historically, the
Department of

610
13:39:32,773 --> 13:39:34,441
Justice
doesn't

611
13:39:35,609 --> 13:39:36,210
launch
these

612
13:39:36,276 --> 13:39:37,010
sorts
big

613
13:39:37,077 --> 13:39:37,578
announcements
right

614
13:39:37,644 --> 13:39:38,745
before
an

615
13:39:38,812 --> 13:39:39,479
election,
just

616
13:39:39,546 --> 13:39:40,147
as
matter

617
13:39:40,214 --> 13:39:41,381
of kind
of

618
13:39:41,448 --> 13:39:42,549
it's
formal

619
13:39:42,616 --> 13:39:43,517
policy, but
just best

620
13:39:43,584 --> 13:39:44,484
practice.
Department

621
13:39:44,551 --> 13:39:45,252
of
Homeland

622
13:39:45,319 --> 13:39:46,186
Security
doesn't

623
13:39:46,253 --> 13:39:47,354
have
to

624
13:39:47,421 --> 13:39:48,088
follow
that.

625
13:39:48,155 --> 13:39:48,989
And
it's got

626
13:39:49,056 --> 13:39:50,357
its own
investigative

627
13:39:50,424 --> 13:39:51,391
unit
is going

628
13:39:51,458 --> 13:39:52,659
to be doing
work.

629
13:39:52,726 --> 13:39:54,394
So
but

630
13:39:54,661 --> 13:39:55,863
the
backdrop

631
13:39:55,929 --> 13:39:56,730
here is that
President

632
13:39:56,797 --> 13:39:57,497
Donald Trump
has

633
13:39:57,564 --> 13:39:58,999
been,
you know,

634
13:39:59,066 --> 13:40:00,501
making
broad

635
13:40:00,567 --> 13:40:01,602
claims
anythout

636
13:40:01,668 --> 13:40:02,636
evidence that
there was

637
13:40:02,703 --> 13:40:04,004
massive voter fraud
in

638
13:40:04,071 --> 13:40:04,538
2020.
that

639
13:40:04,605 --> 13:40:05,372
was
why

640
13:40:05,439 --> 13:40:06,240
he
thest

641
13:40:06,306 --> 13:40:07,107
election to
President

642
13:40:07,174 --> 13:40:08,876
Joe
Biden.

643
13:40:08,942 --> 13:40:09,776
And
since

644
13:40:09,843 --> 13:40:10,878
then,
you know, more

645
13:40:10,944 --> 13:40:11,545
recently,
see

646
13:40:11,612 --> 13:40:13,013
the
Wisconsin I

647
13:40:13,080 --> 13:40:13,847
mean,
U.S.

648
13:40:13,914 --> 13:40:14,915
Department of
Justice

649
13:40:14,982 --> 13:40:16,483
is suing
toisconsin

650
13:40:16,550 --> 13:40:17,251
force
us

651
13:40:17,317 --> 13:40:18,018
to
force the

652
13:40:18,085 --> 13:40:19,186
state
to turn

653
13:40:19,253 --> 13:40:21,355
over
sensitive voter

654
13:40:21,421 --> 13:40:22,789
registration
documents.

655
13:40:22,856 --> 13:40:23,490
And
saying,

656
13:40:23,557 --> 13:40:24,091
well, there
could

657
13:40:24,157 --> 13:40:25,726
be
fraud. We

658
13:40:25,792 --> 13:40:26,560
need to
check. And we're

659
13:40:26,627 --> 13:40:28,095
not
sure

660
13:40:28,161 --> 13:40:28,662
Wisconsin is checking.
That's the gist

661
13:40:28,729 --> 13:40:29,596
of
the

662
13:40:29,663 --> 13:40:30,931
argument.
And, you

663
13:40:30,998 --> 13:40:31,565
know,
DOJ

664
13:40:31,632 --> 13:40:32,299
has
sued

665
13:40:32,366 --> 13:40:32,666
dozens
of

666
13:40:32,733 --> 13:40:33,500
other
states

667
13:40:33,567 --> 13:40:34,134
as
well. They

668
13:40:34,201 --> 13:40:34,768
haven't
won

669
13:40:34,835 --> 13:40:35,269
a
single

670
13:40:35,335 --> 13:40:35,969
case.
And

671
13:40:36,036 --> 13:40:36,770
also the
U.S.

672
13:40:36,837 --> 13:40:37,838
Postal
Service

673
13:40:37,905 --> 13:40:39,306
has
finalized a

674
13:40:39,373 --> 13:40:40,307
policy that
would

675
13:40:40,374 --> 13:40:42,042
essentially
tell

676
13:40:42,576 --> 13:40:43,110
its
toeople

677
13:40:43,177 --> 13:40:44,378
not
send

678
13:40:44,444 --> 13:40:44,912
absentee
ballots to

679
13:40:44,978 --> 13:40:45,379
people
who

680
13:40:45,445 --> 13:40:46,380
aren't on
these

681
13:40:46,446 --> 13:40:46,813
federal
lists. That

682
13:40:46,880 --> 13:40:47,614
is
held up in

683
13:40:47,681 --> 13:40:48,715
court
right now, but

684
13:40:48,782 --> 13:40:49,550
it
serves as

685
13:40:49,616 --> 13:40:51,051
kind
of

686
13:40:51,118 --> 13:40:52,786
this
this

687
13:40:53,987 --> 13:40:54,688
backdrop
of,

688
13:40:54,755 --> 13:40:55,489
of
what's

689
13:40:55,556 --> 13:40:56,490
happening
with

690
13:40:56,557 --> 13:40:57,324
regard to
this

691
13:40:57,391 --> 13:40:58,625
latest
investigation

692
13:40:58,692 --> 13:40:59,293
news
reported

693
13:40:59,359 --> 13:41:00,861
by
CNN.

694
13:41:00,928 --> 13:41:02,196
>> And
Ana.

695
13:41:02,262 --> 13:41:02,896
I think
we've

696
13:41:02,963 --> 13:41:03,363
gotten
kind

697
13:41:03,430 --> 13:41:04,298
of
used to

698
13:41:04,364 --> 13:41:06,033
hearing about
these

699
13:41:06,099 --> 13:41:06,967
types
investigations.

700
13:41:07,034 --> 13:41:07,634
Now,
ifn

701
13:41:07,701 --> 13:41:08,735
they don't
go

702
13:41:08,802 --> 13:41:10,237
anywhere,
is

703
13:41:10,304 --> 13:41:10,838
there
anything,

704
13:41:10,904 --> 13:41:12,105
you
know,

705
13:41:12,172 --> 13:41:13,040
particularly
unusual

706
13:41:13,106 --> 13:41:13,941
about
this

707
13:41:14,007 --> 13:41:14,441
one,
in terms

708
13:41:14,508 --> 13:41:15,342
of
who's

709
13:41:15,409 --> 13:41:16,210
leading
>> Yeah.

710
13:41:16,276 --> 13:41:16,677
I mean,
we've

711
13:41:16,743 --> 13:41:17,511
certainly,
as

712
13:41:17,578 --> 13:41:18,312
Rich said,
there

713
13:41:18,378 --> 13:41:19,546
has been this
kind

714
13:41:19,613 --> 13:41:20,614
of
2020. drumbeat since

715
13:41:20,681 --> 13:41:21,415
It's the
water

716
13:41:21,481 --> 13:41:22,649
that we
in.im

717
13:41:22,716 --> 13:41:23,984
Is this kind of
allegations of

718
13:41:24,051 --> 13:41:25,118
election
fraud. I

719
13:41:25,185 --> 13:41:25,953
think at this
point in

720
13:41:26,019 --> 13:41:27,688
my sleep,
type out

721
13:41:27,955 --> 13:41:29,523
the list of sort
of nonpartisan and partizan

722
13:41:29,590 --> 13:41:30,457
investigations that all
ed

723
13:41:30,524 --> 13:41:31,491
there was no
election

724
13:41:31,558 --> 13:41:32,392
fraud, but that
has

725
13:41:32,459 --> 13:41:33,093
not
diminished the

726
13:41:33,160 --> 13:41:34,728
claims
Trumpng from the

727
13:41:34,795 --> 13:41:35,529
administration. What
soes this

728
13:41:35,596 --> 13:41:36,396
different is
that

729
13:41:36,463 --> 13:41:37,531
this is
DHS. This

730
13:41:37,598 --> 13:41:38,599
is
of DHS arm

731
13:41:38,665 --> 13:41:39,266
that
normally

732
13:41:39,333 --> 13:41:40,534
goes
after

733
13:41:40,601 --> 13:41:41,768
human
traffickers,

734
13:41:41,835 --> 13:41:43,203
drug
this kind of

735
13:41:43,270 --> 13:41:44,137
thing, and
they are looking

736
13:41:44,204 --> 13:41:45,105
into
noncitizen

737
13:41:45,172 --> 13:41:45,873
voting,
which

738
13:41:45,939 --> 13:41:46,807
is
essentially

739
13:41:46,874 --> 13:41:47,608
a
thing

740
13:41:47,674 --> 13:41:48,408
that
does not

741
13:41:48,475 --> 13:41:49,176
happen.
It

742
13:41:49,243 --> 13:41:50,143
is
state law.

743
13:41:50,210 --> 13:41:50,777
It's
federal

744
13:41:50,844 --> 13:41:51,678
law.
But

745
13:41:51,745 --> 13:41:52,346
we've been
hearing

746
13:41:52,412 --> 13:41:53,680
sort of
claims

747
13:41:53,747 --> 13:41:55,382
around
the

748
13:41:55,449 --> 13:41:56,250
possibility of
this for

749
13:41:56,316 --> 13:41:57,951
a
time.

750
13:41:58,018 --> 13:41:59,119
Wisconsin has
to looked

751
13:41:59,186 --> 13:42:00,220
pass a
constitutional amendment

752
13:42:00,287 --> 13:42:00,854
about
this.

753
13:42:00,921 --> 13:42:01,622
But
now

754
13:42:01,688 --> 13:42:02,389
using
this

755
13:42:02,456 --> 13:42:04,124
kind of
quite

756
13:42:04,892 --> 13:42:06,159
militarized, quite
intensive

757
13:42:06,226 --> 13:42:06,994
arm of the
government

758
13:42:07,060 --> 13:42:07,761
to go
after

759
13:42:07,828 --> 13:42:09,496
it.
First of

760
13:42:09,930 --> 13:42:11,398
all, they
sort of have

761
13:42:11,465 --> 13:42:12,566
to follow DOJ
guidance

762
13:42:12,633 --> 13:42:13,433
around
canat you

763
13:42:13,500 --> 13:42:14,501
do
around an

764
13:42:14,568 --> 13:42:15,135
election.
I'll note,

765
13:42:15,202 --> 13:42:16,303
you
we're less

766
13:42:16,370 --> 13:42:17,504
than
out fromths

767
13:42:17,571 --> 13:42:18,605
our election.
DOJ

768
13:42:18,672 --> 13:42:19,640
has
guidance that

769
13:42:19,706 --> 13:42:20,374
says
don't

770
13:42:20,440 --> 13:42:21,408
do
really

771
13:42:21,475 --> 13:42:22,376
intense
investigative things

772
13:42:22,442 --> 13:42:23,010
unless
absolutely

773
13:42:23,076 --> 13:42:24,444
have to this
close

774
13:42:24,511 --> 13:42:26,346
to an election
it can chill voting,

775
13:42:26,413 --> 13:42:28,182
etc. DHS doesn't have
follow any of

776
13:42:28,248 --> 13:42:29,116
that. And
meanwhile, as

777
13:42:29,183 --> 13:42:29,917
they've
ramping

778
13:42:29,983 --> 13:42:30,817
up this
action,

779
13:42:30,884 --> 13:42:31,885
they've
been

780
13:42:31,952 --> 13:42:33,153
saying at one
point they said that

781
13:42:33,220 --> 13:42:34,521
they
found

782
13:42:34,588 --> 13:42:35,656
250,000
noncitizens

783
13:42:35,722 --> 13:42:36,557
who are
registered to

784
13:42:36,623 --> 13:42:37,824
vote
four

785
13:42:37,891 --> 13:42:38,992
states. And then
upon

786
13:42:39,059 --> 13:42:40,194
further
they'veigation,

787
13:42:40,260 --> 13:42:42,029
released
180

788
13:42:42,095 --> 13:42:43,430
ID
numbers tied

789
13:42:43,497 --> 13:42:44,164
to
people.

790
13:42:44,231 --> 13:42:45,332
They won't give
any

791
13:42:45,399 --> 13:42:46,233
more
they'reion. So

792
13:42:46,300 --> 13:42:47,534
kind of just at
the very

793
13:42:47,601 --> 13:42:48,902
least,
significantly

794
13:42:48,969 --> 13:42:50,437
muddying the
waters

795
13:42:50,504 --> 13:42:51,972
with a
from theurces

796
13:42:52,039 --> 13:42:52,773
federal
government.

797
13:42:52,840 --> 13:42:53,574
Again, going
criticalese

798
13:42:53,640 --> 13:42:55,142
midterm
elections.

799
13:42:55,209 --> 13:42:56,043
>> Zac, I
don't feel like

800
13:42:56,109 --> 13:42:56,844
there's
been a

801
13:42:56,910 --> 13:42:57,544
November
election

802
13:42:57,611 --> 13:42:58,278
that goes
by

803
13:42:58,345 --> 13:42:59,313
when
there isn't

804
13:42:59,379 --> 13:43:00,280
some
election

805
13:43:00,347 --> 13:43:00,914
issue
that

806
13:43:00,981 --> 13:43:01,782
is,
you

807
13:43:01,849 --> 13:43:02,416
know,
tied up

808
13:43:02,482 --> 13:43:02,850
in
the

809
13:43:02,916 --> 13:43:03,917
courts
or

810
13:43:03,984 --> 13:43:04,985
fought over in the
orourts

811
13:43:05,052 --> 13:43:05,853
in the
court

812
13:43:05,919 --> 13:43:07,087
of public
opinion.

813
13:43:07,154 --> 13:43:08,255
Is
this

814
13:43:08,322 --> 13:43:08,922
one
bige

815
13:43:08,989 --> 13:43:10,023
one
in the

816
13:43:10,090 --> 13:43:11,491
year
2026?

817
13:43:11,558 --> 13:43:12,326
Or will
we

818
13:43:12,392 --> 13:43:13,160
forget about
this in

819
13:43:13,227 --> 13:43:14,061
a few
months?

820
13:43:14,127 --> 13:43:15,362
>>
Well, in a few

821
13:43:15,429 --> 13:43:16,897
months,
bell still

822
13:43:16,964 --> 13:43:18,498
being
matter what happens

823
13:43:18,565 --> 13:43:19,132
afterwards, someone's going
to

824
13:43:19,199 --> 13:43:20,200
cry
foul.

825
13:43:20,267 --> 13:43:21,168
The the
question

826
13:43:21,235 --> 13:43:22,069
is, of
all

827
13:43:22,135 --> 13:43:23,170
the
Richs that

828
13:43:23,237 --> 13:43:24,438
listed off,
there's

829
13:43:24,505 --> 13:43:26,406
a lot of
theenues in which

830
13:43:26,473 --> 13:43:27,741
Trump administration is
pursuing

831
13:43:27,808 --> 13:43:28,809
to
their

832
13:43:28,876 --> 13:43:29,610
narrative
of

833
13:43:29,676 --> 13:43:30,944
false
voting or

834
13:43:31,011 --> 13:43:31,645
fraud,
which,

835
13:43:31,712 --> 13:43:32,412
as
must

836
13:43:32,479 --> 13:43:33,180
repeat
every

837
13:43:33,247 --> 13:43:33,847
time,
is no

838
13:43:33,914 --> 13:43:34,615
evidence
it

839
13:43:34,681 --> 13:43:35,549
has
existed or

840
13:43:35,616 --> 13:43:36,350
does
Itxist.

841
13:43:36,416 --> 13:43:36,817
does
not

842
13:43:36,884 --> 13:43:37,584
change the
outcome

843
13:43:37,651 --> 13:43:38,485
of any
elections,

844
13:43:38,552 --> 13:43:40,187
anywhere,
but

845
13:43:40,254 --> 13:43:41,355
that
stop them from

846
13:43:41,421 --> 13:43:42,890
putting it
out into the public

847
13:43:42,956 --> 13:43:43,824
consciousness. And there's
this

848
13:43:43,891 --> 13:43:44,558
the
is it

849
13:43:44,625 --> 13:43:45,526
the
Postal

850
13:43:45,592 --> 13:43:46,793
Service?
Potentially

851
13:43:46,860 --> 13:43:47,995
not
delivering

852
13:43:48,061 --> 13:43:49,363
ballots? Well,
obviously, that would have

853
13:43:49,429 --> 13:43:50,364
a tremendous
impact on

854
13:43:50,430 --> 13:43:51,198
voting in
Wisconsin.

855
13:43:51,265 --> 13:43:52,165
That
one seems

856
13:43:52,232 --> 13:43:53,901
like the
are going to

857
13:43:53,967 --> 13:43:56,103
hold it up. It
seems less likely to

858
13:43:56,170 --> 13:43:57,938
come
rumors for more've

859
13:43:58,005 --> 13:43:59,907
than a year
Trump's going to send

860
13:43:59,973 --> 13:44:02,009
ICE in around the
try andto

861
13:44:02,075 --> 13:44:03,076
scare voters. It
kind of hand-waved

862
13:44:03,143 --> 13:44:04,811
away
by a lot of

863
13:44:05,279 --> 13:44:07,047
Republicans
wouldn't happen.

864
13:44:07,114 --> 13:44:08,582
This is
just, youat's

865
13:44:08,649 --> 13:44:09,583
know, people
have

866
13:44:09,650 --> 13:44:10,384
not
wanted to look

867
13:44:10,450 --> 13:44:11,618
too
deeply into what

868
13:44:11,685 --> 13:44:13,287
could
happen because it's never

869
13:44:13,353 --> 13:44:14,788
happened in
history before.

870
13:44:14,855 --> 13:44:15,589
So
there

871
13:44:15,656 --> 13:44:16,924
are
legitimate

872
13:44:16,990 --> 13:44:18,058
fears
that

873
13:44:18,125 --> 13:44:19,126
there could be law
enforcement

874
13:44:19,193 --> 13:44:19,893
there
at

875
13:44:19,960 --> 13:44:20,594
certain
poll

876
13:44:20,661 --> 13:44:21,595
sites
in

877
13:44:21,662 --> 13:44:22,796
certain swing
states, and

878
13:44:22,863 --> 13:44:24,631
we can all guess
they arenes

879
13:44:24,698 --> 13:44:25,566
that might
theuence

880
13:44:25,632 --> 13:44:26,466
outcome of
election.

881
13:44:26,533 --> 13:44:26,967
The
question is,

882
13:44:27,034 --> 13:44:27,568
will
it

883
13:44:27,634 --> 13:44:28,335
actually
happen?

884
13:44:28,402 --> 13:44:29,570
And then
who will be

885
13:44:29,636 --> 13:44:30,571
the
foulrying

886
13:44:30,637 --> 13:44:31,138
afterwards
about what

887
13:44:31,205 --> 13:44:31,872
that
actually

888
13:44:31,939 --> 13:44:32,973
means in
deterring

889
13:44:33,040 --> 13:44:34,274
voters,
literally

890
13:44:34,341 --> 13:44:35,142
keeping voters
coming

891
13:44:35,209 --> 13:44:36,143
away? But these
kind

892
13:44:36,210 --> 13:44:37,177
of stories do come
up

893
13:44:37,244 --> 13:44:38,378
every
single

894
13:44:38,445 --> 13:44:38,912
cycle. The
question

895
13:44:38,979 --> 13:44:39,646
is,
will we

896
13:44:39,713 --> 13:44:40,414
see
people

897
13:44:40,480 --> 13:44:41,682
with guns
outside

898
13:44:41,748 --> 13:44:42,783
polls that
represent the

899
13:44:42,850 --> 13:44:43,283
federal
government, that

900
13:44:43,350 --> 13:44:44,184
scare
away

901
13:44:44,251 --> 13:44:46,186
voters?
>> That's a big

902
13:44:46,253 --> 13:44:48,055
question.
Turning to

903
13:44:48,121 --> 13:44:49,022
something
completely

904
13:44:49,089 --> 13:44:49,990
different
and

905
13:44:50,057 --> 13:44:50,757
something I
definitely did

906
13:44:50,824 --> 13:44:51,859
not
see

907
13:44:51,925 --> 13:44:52,926
coming
as

908
13:44:52,993 --> 13:44:54,161
we
enter

909
13:44:54,228 --> 13:44:55,195
this, you know,
of thetretch

910
13:44:55,262 --> 13:44:56,663
election,
the

911
13:44:56,730 --> 13:44:57,231
president
renamed

912
13:44:57,297 --> 13:44:58,165
a
great

913
13:44:58,232 --> 13:44:59,099
lake.
According to

914
13:44:59,166 --> 13:44:59,867
an
executive

915
13:44:59,933 --> 13:45:01,602
order
from Lake

916
13:45:01,668 --> 13:45:02,703
Ontario
to

917
13:45:02,769 --> 13:45:04,505
Lake
America

918
13:45:04,571 --> 13:45:05,672
.
when

919
13:45:05,739 --> 13:45:07,074
that
happens,

920
13:45:07,140 --> 13:45:07,808
people
react to

921
13:45:07,875 --> 13:45:08,509
it.
Candidates

922
13:45:08,575 --> 13:45:09,343
have to
react

923
13:45:09,409 --> 13:45:10,177
to
expected.

924
13:45:10,244 --> 13:45:11,211
What
oure

925
13:45:11,278 --> 13:45:11,712
candidates
saying about

926
13:45:11,778 --> 13:45:12,579
the
president

927
13:45:12,646 --> 13:45:13,547
doing
>> Well,

928
13:45:13,614 --> 13:45:14,248
most
interestingly

929
13:45:14,314 --> 13:45:15,048
is
Tom

930
13:45:15,115 --> 13:45:15,682
Tiffany,
again, a

931
13:45:15,749 --> 13:45:16,950
close
ally of

932
13:45:17,017 --> 13:45:17,885
President
Trump. And he

933
13:45:17,951 --> 13:45:18,452
essentially
said,

934
13:45:18,519 --> 13:45:19,253
I
don't

935
13:45:19,319 --> 13:45:19,920
know
that

936
13:45:19,987 --> 13:45:20,787
I
like

937
13:45:20,854 --> 13:45:21,755
this. He
said,

938
13:45:21,822 --> 13:45:23,657
you
sort of turned it

939
13:45:23,724 --> 13:45:25,826
into a joke. He
unless we're changing

940
13:45:25,893 --> 13:45:27,494
Lake
Otherwise, I don't

941
13:45:27,561 --> 13:45:29,496
think
good idea. And so

942
13:45:29,563 --> 13:45:31,765
that allows him to
little bit

943
13:45:31,832 --> 13:45:33,233
of air between
Butd President Trump.

944
13:45:33,300 --> 13:45:34,368
on an issue that
is

945
13:45:34,434 --> 13:45:35,035
not
super

946
13:45:35,102 --> 13:45:36,036
from
a

947
13:45:36,103 --> 13:45:37,604
policy
standpoint, not

948
13:45:37,671 --> 13:45:39,406
necessarily
impactful

949
13:45:39,473 --> 13:45:40,474
decision,
is kindis,

950
13:45:40,541 --> 13:45:41,508
of one
these

951
13:45:41,575 --> 13:45:42,442
more
ostentatious

952
13:45:42,509 --> 13:45:43,076
decisions
that Trump

953
13:45:43,143 --> 13:45:43,610
often
likes

954
13:45:43,677 --> 13:45:44,278
to
make,

955
13:45:44,344 --> 13:45:45,245
maybe a
distracting

956
13:45:45,312 --> 13:45:46,046
kind of
moment

957
13:45:46,113 --> 13:45:47,114
during a
time like

958
13:45:47,181 --> 13:45:48,482
this. So
allows

959
13:45:48,549 --> 13:45:50,083
Tiffany to put
air between them, but

960
13:45:50,150 --> 13:45:50,551
not
necessarily on

961
13:45:50,617 --> 13:45:51,351
an
issue

962
13:45:51,418 --> 13:45:51,952
that,
you

963
13:45:52,019 --> 13:45:52,920
know,
is

964
13:45:52,986 --> 13:45:55,189
very
consequential.

965
13:45:55,255 --> 13:45:57,291
Crowley says,
on, this is the

966
13:45:57,357 --> 13:45:58,825
one that you picked
differentiate with the

967
13:45:58,892 --> 13:46:00,427
president. On
Zac,

968
13:46:00,494 --> 13:46:01,128
just
real quick

969
13:46:01,195 --> 13:46:02,062
as
we wrap up

970
13:46:02,129 --> 13:46:03,330
here,
any

971
13:46:03,397 --> 13:46:03,997
sense that
voters

972
13:46:04,064 --> 13:46:05,065
will take
note of

973
13:46:05,132 --> 13:46:06,433
this in
November?

974
13:46:06,500 --> 13:46:07,668
>> I can't
imagine

975
13:46:07,734 --> 13:46:08,735
this
deciding

976
13:46:08,802 --> 13:46:09,703
issue
someone in

977
13:46:09,770 --> 13:46:10,537
an
election,

978
13:46:10,604 --> 13:46:11,104
but I'm
sure there's

979
13:46:11,171 --> 13:46:11,872
one
person

980
13:46:11,939 --> 13:46:13,073
out of
3 million

981
13:46:13,140 --> 13:46:13,774
voters that
will say

982
13:46:13,841 --> 13:46:14,575
,
is what

983
13:46:14,641 --> 13:46:16,210
matters
and me most,

984
13:46:16,276 --> 13:46:18,045
they're probably a
.ailor

985
13:46:18,111 --> 13:46:19,112
>> Going
after that

986
13:46:19,179 --> 13:46:20,814
sailor
vote

987
13:46:20,881 --> 13:46:22,149
, a
crucial

988
13:46:22,216 --> 13:46:24,218
demographic
Wisconsin.

989
13:46:24,284 --> 13:46:26,286
That's all
we have for today.

990
13:46:26,353 --> 13:46:28,255
This has been
Wisconsin politics. Be

991
13:46:28,322 --> 13:46:29,656
sure
on PBS,w us

992
13:46:29,723 --> 13:46:31,258
wisconsin.org.
WPR.org,

993
13:46:31,325 --> 13:46:32,125
YouTube,
or

994
13:46:32,192 --> 13:46:32,659
wherever you
get

995
13:46:32,726 --> 13:46:34,394
your
podcasts

996
13:46:35,229 --> 13:46:36,897
.
AM I

997
13:46:44,972 --> 13:46:46,139
still looking
at two on the

998
13:46:46,206 --> 13:46:47,875
close
?

999
13:46:50,477 --> 13:46:52,145
Okay.
Thanks

1000
13:46:54,047 --> 13:46:55,716
.
>> Just look

1001
13:47:07,928 --> 13:47:08,729
over
at

1002
13:47:08,795 --> 13:47:09,329
Jack
then

1003
13:47:09,396 --> 13:47:10,130
turn
back

1004
13:47:10,197 --> 13:47:11,398
over to
camera

1005
13:47:11,465 --> 13:47:12,933
two and
.

1006
13:47:13,000 --> 13:47:14,668
>> Okay
, sailor

1007
13:47:16,970 --> 13:47:18,038
.
That's all

1008
13:47:18,105 --> 13:47:19,139
the time
we have

1009
13:47:19,206 --> 13:47:20,440
for today.
has

1010
13:47:20,507 --> 13:47:22,442
been
Wisconsin politics. Be

1011
13:47:22,509 --> 13:47:23,877
sure
on PBSow us

1012
13:47:23,944 --> 13:47:25,479
wisconsin.org.
WPR.org,

1013
13:47:25,546 --> 13:47:26,346
YouTube,
or

1014
13:47:26,413 --> 13:47:26,947
wherever you
get

1015
13:47:27,014 --> 13:47:28,682
your
podcasts

1016
13:47:30,784 --> 13:47:31,952
.
very the

1017
13:47:32,019 --> 13:47:33,120
top of the
we might have

1018
13:47:33,187 --> 13:47:34,454
cut
your mic

1019
13:47:34,521 --> 13:47:35,622
on the
beginning. So

1020
13:47:35,689 --> 13:47:36,857
we're
going to redo

1021
13:47:36,924 --> 13:47:37,491
the part
before

1022
13:47:37,558 --> 13:47:38,759
the
pause.

1023
13:47:38,825 --> 13:47:40,494
>> Okay
?

1024
13:47:48,535 --> 13:47:50,204
Sure
.

1025
13:48:01,415 --> 13:48:02,416
>> If
Mike is

1026
13:48:02,482 --> 13:48:03,417
open,
goou can

1027
13:48:03,483 --> 13:48:05,319
when you're
ready

1028
13:48:05,385 --> 13:48:06,820
.
forometime

1029
13:48:06,887 --> 13:48:07,955
that word.
Sometimes.

1030
13:48:08,021 --> 13:48:09,690
Never
knew

1031
13:48:10,791 --> 13:48:11,658
.
candidates

1032
13:48:11,725 --> 13:48:12,826
choose
their

1033
13:48:12,893 --> 13:48:13,827
issues.
Sometimes the

1034
13:48:13,894 --> 13:48:14,494
issues
choose

1035
13:48:14,561 --> 13:48:15,696
them.
We look

1036
13:48:15,762 --> 13:48:17,731
at a
few items in the

1037
13:48:17,798 --> 13:48:19,066
news
cameras to from

1038
13:48:19,132 --> 13:48:20,200
election
integrity, to the

1039
13:48:20,267 --> 13:48:20,968
name
of a

1040
13:48:21,034 --> 13:48:22,369
great
lake.

1041
13:48:22,436 --> 13:48:24,104
This
is

1042
13:48:24,538 --> 13:48:27,107
inside
.isconsin politics