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The
United States

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United States
Supreme

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Court
throws a

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curveball
absentee

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voting,
letting

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the Trump
administration

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move
forward

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with more
restrictive

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rules.
Wisconsin election

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officials
say

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we're
a long

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ways
from

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November,
there

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will be
more

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lawsuits.
This

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is in
politics.n

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I'm
Zac

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Schultz
filling in

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for Shawn
Johnson here with

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my
colleagues

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, Anya van
Richndonk and

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Kremer
Eau

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Claire. Hello
to

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both of you.
Hey.

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On
thenday,

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U.S.
Supreme

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Court's
shadow

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docket
struck

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again,
releasing an

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unsigned
opinion

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that allows
the

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Trump
administration

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to go
forward

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with
orders for the

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Postal
Service

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to
create

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rules
restricting who

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can
and

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absentee
ballot

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through the
mail.

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Ana.
This

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started as an
executive

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order
last

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spring.
Wisconsin was one of

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the
Soo stop it.sued

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where are we now?
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still in
So this was the

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court did not rule
of thert

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merits of the
They ruledmselves.

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on the
timing

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of
the

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lawsuit that
and othern

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states
filed,

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essentially saying that
because the Postal

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Service
rule has

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not yet
been put

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in place, they can't
that they have

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been harmed.
Servicele, the

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did
author

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and
publish

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the
rule that

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would
go into

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effect as
the order

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is cleared.
sond

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now things go back
lower court

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than they will
back to the Supreme

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Court, which will
,

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we assume, kind
weigh in on whether

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the
executive

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branch, the
president, is

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allowed to
make such a

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kind
sweeping change to

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state
elections,

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which
are,

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according to the
Constitution,

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sort of
supposed to

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be
decided by

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the
states.

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>> So
nothing

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happening
this

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exact
moment. But

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everyone
should be a

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little
bit worried and aware

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of
on. Yeah. I mean,

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we're ten weeks out
the midterm elections.

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And
we'rethings that

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hearing from election
rsministrato

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is sort of,
what are we supposed

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to be doing in
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in the process of
printing out these ballots,

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ballots that go to
and military voters

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need to
out 45 days in

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advance of the election.
that's like, I

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think
stuff needs9th. So

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to be happening,
administrative stuff

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.
meanwhile, they're trying

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to figure out just
the rules

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function.
interestingublicans

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relationship
with

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absentee
balloting

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going
back

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years
they've talked

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about
restricting

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it,
but they

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also
love

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to use it,
including

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Republican
nominee Tom

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Tiffany.
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President
Donald

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Trump. I
believe

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it was
reported,

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used it
this

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year
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So
it's an

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interesting
paradox.

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So
going

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back to
2020,

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President Donald Trump
has

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made
these

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these
false

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claims
about

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widespread
voter

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fraud
that

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that
resulted in a

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stolen
election.

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But
part of that,

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of course,
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his
railing

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against
mail

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in
absentee

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voting.
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said it's
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prime
opportunity

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for fraud
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happen.
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many
of his

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supporters
have

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bought
into

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that.
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here
Wisconsin, we've

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got
paradox

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where
gotu've

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the
state

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party
chair,

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Bryan
Schimming, the

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GOP
party

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chair,
who

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he
said,

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well, I
was one

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of the
first

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state
party

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chairs in
the

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country
to

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advocate
for

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absentee
voting

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and early
voting as

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a way
to kind of

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match
Democrats who

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have
really

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successful with
that. In

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terms of
out theg

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vote
early ahead

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of
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Day,
less work

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on
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Day.
At the same

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time,
you've got

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people
within the

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party
that want

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to
impeach

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the
state's

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election
top

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election
official

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Megan
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they've
they've went

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after
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speaker,
outgoing

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Republican
Speaker

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of the
Assembly,

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Robin
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not
trying

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to
decertify

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the
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etc. So
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really
kind

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of
a

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paradox
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those
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worlds in
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Wisconsin GOP.
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anyway,
what

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are
clerks

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doing right
now?

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I
guess, in

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Wisconsin history,
ot've had a l

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of lawsuits
election,fore an

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but usually those
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state law.
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would
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seemingly
a much

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larger
change

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than one
theyt

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really
wouldn't

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have
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impact
on.

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>> Yeah. Well,
also is unique

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because it
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of the most
federated

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election
administration

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system in
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of
other places, you know,

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it's county clerks
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run
administration

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who
administer

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elections.
itere

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is
local

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clerks,
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I'm
blanking

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on the
exact

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number,
but it

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is
close to

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200.
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so they
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all,
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doing
this kind

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of
nitty gritty

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work of
printing out the

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ballots
and checking their lists.

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And there's all of
work that

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goes
behindnd of

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the scenes to
clerkthis. Every

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I've spoken to says
that like as soon

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as one
beginsext one,

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for them in terms
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so the
all gettingy're

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ready for the
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rules kind of shift
they're waiting

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again for
and forth from the

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courts, it really kind
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of what
followo they

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the rules if they
don't yet know what

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the
for something like

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this,
being in charge

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of
is allowed to receiveng who

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a
anding ballot

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who is
not,

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they
could

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accidentally
violate

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that
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they're not
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very
they'rel. And so

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kind of waiting to
see. So we are

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just kind of
this wait and see

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moment
need to be, they

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kind of hurrying
just to get stuff

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like
Again, this verye

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administrative details that
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kind of determines
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vote.
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And there have been
concerns about how the

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Postal Service will
handle

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absentee
ballots,

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especially
under the

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Trump
administration, are

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both
two

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separate Trump
administrations. There have

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been
questions and

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conspiracies about
whether

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the
Postal

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Service will
lose

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the ballots,
they'llr

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be
processing them

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on
time, or are there

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enough postal workers to
handle all of these

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routes.
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so
I

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know
that the

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parties
in the

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past have
told their

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voters, hey,
if

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you're
worried,

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make
sure

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you
deliver it

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in
person.

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Rich,
have we

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seen
any of

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these
groups, whether the

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Democrats or
Republicans

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trying
to

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make sure
their

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voters are aware,
even

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if these don't happen,
like, hey, maybe it's

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safest to hand deliver
these, or maybe you

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do
persone in

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if you
can.

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>> Yeah. And
also

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some of
clerks.

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So the
Wisconsin Elections

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on
surveyed

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local
clerks

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this
year, I

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believe.
And

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anyway, the
results

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came out
this

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year.
And

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a
lot

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of them, the
majority

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of them
did

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mention
hasere

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been
longer

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than
expected

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delays with
regard

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to
absentee

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voting.
This

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was
in the

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April
Supreme

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Court
election,

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but
so

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some
them

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in
the

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summary of
the

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survey
responses

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from
clerks have

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said
that

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people are
just

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saying,
well,

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I. I
won't

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even
tory

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absentee
vote.

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I'll go
a

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different
route.

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And
some

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of
the

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clerks
were

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also
advising

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that they
consider in-person

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absentee
voting

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or
other

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forms,
which

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is
really

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something.
And, you

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know,
chance a

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to ask
Republican

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congressman and
forndidate

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governor,
Tom

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Tiffany,
about

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this
specific

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executive
order from

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the
president and what

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he
thought about

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it.
He

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deflected
and

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kind of
went

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along
the lines

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of
saying,

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most
clerks do a

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great job.
But he

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said
some,

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without
naming

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them,
have

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gone
beyond

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what the
color

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of
the law

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dictates.
So

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without
naming

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them,
we

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can
assume that it

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might
be

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Dane
County

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and
Milwaukee

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County
that

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he
has

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an issue
with,

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because
we've heard

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that from
other

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Republicans.
So

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it's
just

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a
really

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interesting
situation.

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And
and

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we
are

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we're
theght on

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cusp
of this

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election.
this

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uncertainty
definitely

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has
got a

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lot of
eyebrows

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raised.
>> So this

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has
happened in the

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last,
oriously, day

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so.
How

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much can
this

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change the
conversation in the

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gubernatorial
Because for

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the
past few

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weeks
havece the candidates

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been set, it's
been

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about data
centers, and

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that's been the
driving

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force of
Tiffany

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attacking
David

402
14:03:21,468 --> 14:03:23,170
Crowley
and

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14:03:23,237 --> 14:03:24,037
Crowley
defend and

404
14:03:24,104 --> 14:03:24,705
put
back in

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his
candidacy.

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But
this

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change
the

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topic
and

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bring
up those

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connections Tom
Tiffany has

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to Donald
Trump, or

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the
tct

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hat these
almost

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all
come out of

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election
conspiracies from

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2020?
this

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be
an

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opening
change

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the
narrative of

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what
people are talking

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about?
>> To

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Rich's point?
know, I think

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one of the
consequences

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of something
like this

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isn't just
it'st

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confusing for
election

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14:03:45,726 --> 14:03:46,260
officials, but
that it

428
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can
kind of

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sow
confusion and

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doubt
among

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voters.
And

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so
for

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voters who are
alreadyf

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concerned
about

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American democracy, who do
tend to skew

436
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democratic,
this is

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kind
of part of

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that
pattern

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14:03:58,272 --> 14:03:59,573
for
voters who

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14:03:59,640 --> 14:04:00,440
maybe
have

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14:04:00,507 --> 14:04:01,875
questions
theout

442
14:04:01,942 --> 14:04:02,976
2020 election, or
are

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Trump supporters
much like

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Tom
Tiffany,

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14:04:05,479 --> 14:04:06,046
right, who
was

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14:04:06,113 --> 14:04:06,713
somebody
who

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voted
to

448
14:04:07,714 --> 14:04:09,550
decertify
2020 election

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14:04:09,616 --> 14:04:10,384
results in
certain other

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14:04:10,450 --> 14:04:11,118
states?
This

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is just
kind

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of
an

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example of
of the

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chaos that
they say is

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just
kind of baked into

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the
givesind of so

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them an
ifpportunity

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14:04:19,726 --> 14:04:20,561
things don't
goecessarily

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their way in
November

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14:04:21,562 --> 14:04:22,462
to
to the

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shifting
rules,

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the back
and

463
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forth, the
courts,

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the
judges

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as a
reason

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14:04:25,933 --> 14:04:27,034
for
that.

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And so
the

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very least, you know,
even if it does

469
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kind of
allows that

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administrators to,
to

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do their
job

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sort
of

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without a
hitch,

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14:04:35,042 --> 14:04:35,742
it
still

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creates
this sense

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of
chaos

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in
the kind

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of
basis of our

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democracy
which is

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voting.
>> So,

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yeah. So
youch, do

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think
Republicans

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want
change

484
14:04:44,518 --> 14:04:45,118
the
here, oration

485
14:04:45,185 --> 14:04:45,919
is
this

486
14:04:45,986 --> 14:04:46,954
strictly
Democrats would

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14:04:47,020 --> 14:04:48,989
love to
be able to pin

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14:04:49,056 --> 14:04:50,824
this back,
and causes confusion

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say, this is what
get with Tom,

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14:04:52,893 --> 14:04:54,361
Tiffany and
>> Yeah.rump?

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It seems
like

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Democrats are
much

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more
eager

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to talk
about

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this
sort of

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thing than
Republicans.

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When
Tom

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Tiffany
has been

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asked
hist

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2020 votes
and

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his
signing on to

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a
lawsuit

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14:05:04,738 --> 14:05:05,572
that
year

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14:05:05,639 --> 14:05:06,173
that
have

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tossed
out

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14:05:07,441 --> 14:05:08,442
Wisconsin's
votes in

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the
presidential

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election,
just

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defers like
he'll

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quickly
say, Joe

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Biden is
president, and then he

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moves on.
So

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based on
that,

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and
also

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based
on some

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Republican
commentary

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I've
from people

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in
Wisconsin,

519
14:05:21,788 --> 14:05:22,689
they
definitely

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don't
want

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14:05:23,490 --> 14:05:24,525
Tom
Tiffany

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talking
about

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this. They
don't

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14:05:27,194 --> 14:05:27,761
necessarily
want

525
14:05:27,828 --> 14:05:28,929
him
talking

526
14:05:28,996 --> 14:05:30,430
about
issues that

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14:05:30,497 --> 14:05:31,098
President
Trump

528
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is
thathing

529
14:05:31,832 --> 14:05:33,500
are
unpopular.

530
14:05:34,001 --> 14:05:34,968
But you
can rest

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14:05:35,035 --> 14:05:35,702
assured
that

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Democrats
are

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14:05:36,470 --> 14:05:37,237
very
excited

534
14:05:37,304 --> 14:05:38,705
to talk
about this

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14:05:38,772 --> 14:05:39,306
development
from the

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Supreme
Court,

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14:05:40,073 --> 14:05:41,675
the
president's

538
14:05:41,742 --> 14:05:43,043
attempts, his
plans,

539
14:05:43,110 --> 14:05:44,044
etc.
because we got

540
14:05:44,111 --> 14:05:45,179
a press release
first

541
14:05:45,245 --> 14:05:46,580
thing
it. morning about

542
14:05:46,647 --> 14:05:47,181
>> So
another

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14:05:47,247 --> 14:05:47,981
topic
that

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14:05:48,048 --> 14:05:49,049
could
come up

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14:05:49,116 --> 14:05:50,517
in the
governor's race that we're

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14:05:50,584 --> 14:05:51,218
paying attention
to.

547
14:05:51,285 --> 14:05:52,452
Governor
Evers,

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14:05:52,519 --> 14:05:53,754
commutation
Advisory

549
14:05:53,820 --> 14:05:54,555
Board, met for
first time

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14:05:54,621 --> 14:05:56,089
last
hear ato

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14:05:56,156 --> 14:05:57,591
dozen from a
dozen

552
14:05:57,658 --> 14:05:59,092
inmates who have applied
have their sentences

553
14:05:59,159 --> 14:06:00,127
reduced. Ana
what do

554
14:06:00,194 --> 14:06:01,328
we
thisabout

555
14:06:01,395 --> 14:06:02,429
board? And
then

556
14:06:02,496 --> 14:06:03,063
how will
that

557
14:06:03,130 --> 14:06:04,264
filter
out

558
14:06:04,331 --> 14:06:04,932
into
Tom Tiffany

559
14:06:04,998 --> 14:06:05,766
versus
David

560
14:06:05,832 --> 14:06:06,900
Crowley?
Why would it

561
14:06:06,967 --> 14:06:09,036
have anything to do
them?

562
14:06:09,102 --> 14:06:11,238
So it's the first
time that this board

563
14:06:11,305 --> 14:06:12,673
has
under Republican

564
14:06:12,739 --> 14:06:13,874
Governor
Tommy

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14:06:13,941 --> 14:06:15,309
Thompson.
And

566
14:06:15,375 --> 14:06:16,043
so
hasis

567
14:06:16,109 --> 14:06:17,144
been sort
of a

568
14:06:17,211 --> 14:06:17,878
priority
of

569
14:06:17,945 --> 14:06:18,445
Governor
Evers

570
14:06:18,512 --> 14:06:19,313
is
to

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14:06:19,379 --> 14:06:19,947
to
make some

572
14:06:20,013 --> 14:06:20,781
changes
to

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14:06:20,848 --> 14:06:21,849
criminal
justice in

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14:06:21,915 --> 14:06:22,916
Wisconsin.
He has

575
14:06:22,983 --> 14:06:23,951
not
delivered

576
14:06:24,017 --> 14:06:24,918
on
many of

577
14:06:24,985 --> 14:06:26,119
those.
But this was kind

578
14:06:26,186 --> 14:06:27,187
of one of
final

579
14:06:27,254 --> 14:06:27,855
acts in
office,

580
14:06:27,921 --> 14:06:29,156
is
to

581
14:06:29,223 --> 14:06:30,023
potentially
theduce

582
14:06:30,090 --> 14:06:30,858
sentence
of

583
14:06:30,924 --> 14:06:31,425
grant
commutations

584
14:06:31,491 --> 14:06:32,759
to
some

585
14:06:32,826 --> 14:06:33,527
incarcerated
people. And

586
14:06:33,594 --> 14:06:34,428
so
this

587
14:06:34,494 --> 14:06:35,229
is a
big deal,

588
14:06:35,295 --> 14:06:36,129
in part
because crime

589
14:06:36,196 --> 14:06:37,231
is
just

590
14:06:37,297 --> 14:06:37,998
always
an

591
14:06:38,065 --> 14:06:38,732
issue in
any

592
14:06:38,799 --> 14:06:39,867
election. I
mean,

593
14:06:39,933 --> 14:06:41,401
we've
Court Supreme

594
14:06:41,468 --> 14:06:41,969
races where
don't

595
14:06:42,035 --> 14:06:42,736
really
have

596
14:06:42,803 --> 14:06:43,337
any,
know,

597
14:06:43,403 --> 14:06:44,204
role
in

598
14:06:44,271 --> 14:06:45,239
fighting
crime.

599
14:06:45,305 --> 14:06:46,073
But crime
is just

600
14:06:46,139 --> 14:06:47,040
something that
motivates

601
14:06:47,107 --> 14:06:48,075
voters. And
so

602
14:06:48,141 --> 14:06:49,643
this
ofssue

603
14:06:49,710 --> 14:06:51,144
potentially, you
know,

604
14:06:51,211 --> 14:06:52,012
lessening the
sentence of

605
14:06:52,079 --> 14:06:52,946
people,
some of

606
14:06:53,013 --> 14:06:53,514
whom
convicted

607
14:06:53,580 --> 14:06:54,281
for
nonviolent

608
14:06:54,348 --> 14:06:55,415
crimes,
some of whom

609
14:06:55,482 --> 14:06:56,483
were
violentd for

610
14:06:56,550 --> 14:06:57,284
crimes,
according

611
14:06:57,351 --> 14:06:58,819
to
a

612
14:06:58,886 --> 14:07:00,020
series of kind of
criteria,

613
14:07:00,087 --> 14:07:01,321
including
they've

614
14:07:01,388 --> 14:07:02,589
served a
majority of their

615
14:07:02,656 --> 14:07:03,357
sentence,
they've

616
14:07:03,423 --> 14:07:04,057
proven
that they've

617
14:07:04,124 --> 14:07:05,192
sort of
rehabilitated

618
14:07:05,259 --> 14:07:06,159
in
ways. But

619
14:07:06,226 --> 14:07:07,361
all of
that can

620
14:07:07,427 --> 14:07:09,263
be the type of
thing that

621
14:07:09,329 --> 14:07:09,997
Republicans in
particular, who

622
14:07:10,063 --> 14:07:10,864
like to
say

623
14:07:10,931 --> 14:07:11,565
Democrats
are kind

624
14:07:11,632 --> 14:07:12,132
of
easy

625
14:07:12,199 --> 14:07:13,000
on
crime,

626
14:07:13,066 --> 14:07:14,101
can
really seize

627
14:07:14,168 --> 14:07:15,169
upon.
And, you know,

628
14:07:15,235 --> 14:07:15,702
I'm
Massachusetts.

629
14:07:15,769 --> 14:07:16,069
And
so

630
14:07:16,136 --> 14:07:17,037
I grew
up

631
14:07:17,104 --> 14:07:17,704
learning
about

632
14:07:17,771 --> 14:07:18,305
sort of
the Willie

633
14:07:18,372 --> 14:07:18,972
Horton
case,

634
14:07:19,039 --> 14:07:20,140
which
was

635
14:07:20,207 --> 14:07:20,874
a
whorson

636
14:07:20,941 --> 14:07:21,542
was
released from

637
14:07:21,608 --> 14:07:22,342
prison,
went

638
14:07:22,409 --> 14:07:23,177
on to commit
another

639
14:07:23,243 --> 14:07:24,178
very
violent

640
14:07:24,244 --> 14:07:24,811
crime.
then

641
14:07:24,878 --> 14:07:25,979
this
swung the

642
14:07:26,046 --> 14:07:26,647
governor's
election

643
14:07:26,713 --> 14:07:27,648
in a
little bit

644
14:07:27,714 --> 14:07:29,416
before my
But I grew

645
14:07:29,483 --> 14:07:31,552
up learning
And that is the

646
14:07:31,618 --> 14:07:33,187
kind of thing that
really sink elections.

647
14:07:33,253 --> 14:07:34,388
And
as this is

648
14:07:34,454 --> 14:07:35,489
going
forward, you know,

649
14:07:35,556 --> 14:07:36,390
it
is

650
14:07:36,456 --> 14:07:37,257
popular
among

651
14:07:37,324 --> 14:07:38,192
voters of
many different

652
14:07:38,258 --> 14:07:39,126
stripes to
some

653
14:07:39,193 --> 14:07:39,927
sort of
criminal

654
14:07:39,993 --> 14:07:40,661
justice
reform.

655
14:07:40,727 --> 14:07:41,428
But
youen

656
14:07:41,495 --> 14:07:42,629
kind of
look at

657
14:07:42,696 --> 14:07:43,330
what
looksctually

658
14:07:43,397 --> 14:07:43,797
like,
it

659
14:07:43,864 --> 14:07:44,565
can
be

660
14:07:44,631 --> 14:07:45,933
a bit of
a

661
14:07:45,999 --> 14:07:47,601
tightrope walk for
politicians.

662
14:07:47,668 --> 14:07:49,336
ting
bring up Willie

663
14:07:49,403 --> 14:07:50,871
Horton
Democraticat came

664
14:07:50,938 --> 14:07:52,005
primary in
It988.

665
14:07:52,072 --> 14:07:52,806
was
al Gore

666
14:07:52,873 --> 14:07:53,807
versus
Dukakis,

667
14:07:53,874 --> 14:07:54,708
and
then it

668
14:07:54,775 --> 14:07:56,176
ended
playing a

669
14:07:56,243 --> 14:07:57,477
major role in
inresidential campaign

670
14:07:57,544 --> 14:07:58,445
88,
where it

671
14:07:58,512 --> 14:07:59,613
was
Lee

672
14:07:59,680 --> 14:08:00,747
Atwater,
who

673
14:08:00,814 --> 14:08:02,149
Atwater, who
one of the first

674
14:08:02,216 --> 14:08:03,283
negative ad
gurus out

675
14:08:03,350 --> 14:08:04,084
there,
ran it

676
14:08:04,151 --> 14:08:05,018
against
Dukakis. And

677
14:08:05,085 --> 14:08:06,820
it was
thensidered one of

678
14:08:06,887 --> 14:08:07,721
things that showed
in him and

679
14:08:07,788 --> 14:08:09,456
why
went from high

680
14:08:10,057 --> 14:08:11,124
approval
election inlosing

681
14:08:11,191 --> 14:08:11,992
1988.
And,

682
14:08:12,059 --> 14:08:13,827
Rich,
obviously, this is

683
14:08:13,894 --> 14:08:14,862
that Republicans
have a

684
14:08:14,928 --> 14:08:15,896
history of
atooking

685
14:08:15,963 --> 14:08:17,030
as crime in
Milwaukee,

686
14:08:17,097 --> 14:08:17,931
and
especially people

687
14:08:17,998 --> 14:08:18,699
of
color.

688
14:08:18,765 --> 14:08:19,666
We've
already

689
14:08:19,733 --> 14:08:20,901
started to see
those of

690
14:08:20,968 --> 14:08:22,336
connections.
trying to draw

691
14:08:22,402 --> 14:08:23,170
between
andd Crowley

692
14:08:23,237 --> 14:08:24,238
any bad
thing that

693
14:08:24,304 --> 14:08:25,305
happens in
Milwaukee

694
14:08:25,372 --> 14:08:26,673
County. It's
little

695
14:08:26,740 --> 14:08:28,642
bit of like throwing
spaghetti at the wall.

696
14:08:28,709 --> 14:08:30,878
See
this isutks right

697
14:08:30,944 --> 14:08:32,446
definitely
against him, evenll

698
14:08:32,513 --> 14:08:33,814
if it's
of links.t

699
14:08:33,881 --> 14:08:34,882
>> Yeah.
That's

700
14:08:34,948 --> 14:08:35,849
right. This
something that has

701
14:08:35,916 --> 14:08:36,350
proven
to

702
14:08:36,416 --> 14:08:37,150
be
able to

703
14:08:37,217 --> 14:08:37,818
stick
in the

704
14:08:37,885 --> 14:08:38,519
past.
I mean, I

705
14:08:38,585 --> 14:08:39,887
think
back to

706
14:08:39,953 --> 14:08:40,954
2022, the
US

707
14:08:41,021 --> 14:08:42,189
Senate
race

708
14:08:42,256 --> 14:08:43,290
between
Republican

709
14:08:43,357 --> 14:08:43,824
incumbent and
now

710
14:08:43,891 --> 14:08:44,525
Senator
Ron

711
14:08:44,591 --> 14:08:45,359
Johnson
and

712
14:08:45,425 --> 14:08:46,159
former
lieutenant

713
14:08:46,226 --> 14:08:47,127
Governor
Mandela

714
14:08:47,194 --> 14:08:48,862
Barnes.
That

715
14:08:49,329 --> 14:08:50,998
race,
the

716
14:08:51,331 --> 14:08:52,232
Republicans
supporting

717
14:08:52,299 --> 14:08:52,900
Johnson and
Johnson

718
14:08:52,966 --> 14:08:54,635
himself
just

719
14:08:54,701 --> 14:08:56,470
blanketed the
Wisconsin airwaves

720
14:08:56,537 --> 14:08:57,137
with
ads

721
14:08:57,204 --> 14:08:58,272
about
how

722
14:08:58,338 --> 14:08:59,373
Barnes
was,

723
14:08:59,439 --> 14:09:00,207
you
know,

724
14:09:00,274 --> 14:09:01,175
about
defunding the

725
14:09:01,241 --> 14:09:01,808
police or
he

726
14:09:01,875 --> 14:09:02,543
was
anti

727
14:09:02,609 --> 14:09:03,710
ICE
and he

728
14:09:03,777 --> 14:09:04,378
was weak
on

729
14:09:04,444 --> 14:09:05,212
crime.
I

730
14:09:05,279 --> 14:09:06,947
mean,
these sort of

731
14:09:07,014 --> 14:09:07,481
things.
Again,

732
14:09:07,548 --> 14:09:08,448
a
US

733
14:09:08,515 --> 14:09:09,082
senator
doesn't

734
14:09:09,149 --> 14:09:10,150
have a
ton to

735
14:09:10,217 --> 14:09:11,118
do in the,
you

736
14:09:11,185 --> 14:09:11,552
know,
directly

737
14:09:11,618 --> 14:09:12,352
with
crime

738
14:09:12,419 --> 14:09:13,420
fighting.
But

739
14:09:13,487 --> 14:09:14,054
these
are the

740
14:09:14,121 --> 14:09:14,922
kind
of

741
14:09:14,988 --> 14:09:15,656
topics that
that

742
14:09:15,722 --> 14:09:16,857
stir up
people's

743
14:09:16,924 --> 14:09:18,525
emotions.
Also, back in

744
14:09:18,592 --> 14:09:19,726
2022, the
Marquette

745
14:09:19,793 --> 14:09:20,561
University Law School
did

746
14:09:20,627 --> 14:09:21,728
a
survey that I

747
14:09:21,795 --> 14:09:22,696
found really
interesting.

748
14:09:22,763 --> 14:09:23,463
It
showed

749
14:09:23,530 --> 14:09:24,831
that,
you

750
14:09:24,898 --> 14:09:26,567
know,
77%

751
14:09:26,967 --> 14:09:28,569
of
respondents said they

752
14:09:28,635 --> 14:09:29,203
feel
safe in

753
14:09:29,269 --> 14:09:29,937
their
daily

754
14:09:30,003 --> 14:09:31,371
activities,
but

755
14:09:31,438 --> 14:09:33,106
85%
reported

756
14:09:33,607 --> 14:09:34,741
being
either

757
14:09:34,808 --> 14:09:35,309
somewhat
concerned

758
14:09:35,375 --> 14:09:36,143
or
very

759
14:09:36,210 --> 14:09:37,244
concerned
about

760
14:09:37,311 --> 14:09:37,978
increasing
crime.

761
14:09:38,045 --> 14:09:38,979
So that
kind of

762
14:09:39,046 --> 14:09:40,013
shows
how the

763
14:09:40,080 --> 14:09:41,548
emotions
can

764
14:09:41,615 --> 14:09:42,583
get
in the way

765
14:09:42,649 --> 14:09:43,717
of
onumbers

766
14:09:43,784 --> 14:09:44,351
paper.
>> And

767
14:09:44,418 --> 14:09:45,385
yeah,
it's

768
14:09:45,452 --> 14:09:46,486
interesting. The crime
statistics

769
14:09:46,553 --> 14:09:48,188
came out for
Wisconsin showing a

770
14:09:48,255 --> 14:09:49,189
decrease, as
we've seen

771
14:09:49,256 --> 14:09:49,823
nationally,
including

772
14:09:49,890 --> 14:09:50,457
in
Milwaukee,

773
14:09:50,524 --> 14:09:51,291
but
there's

774
14:09:51,358 --> 14:09:52,726
still going
to be

775
14:09:52,793 --> 14:09:53,794
allegations. We saw it with
videos of

776
14:09:53,861 --> 14:09:54,461
incidents
at the

777
14:09:54,528 --> 14:09:55,529
state
fair.

778
14:09:55,596 --> 14:09:56,864
And all
of a

779
14:09:56,930 --> 14:09:58,432
sudden the connection we
saw was

780
14:09:58,498 --> 14:09:59,266
Republicans saying,
This is David

781
14:09:59,333 --> 14:10:00,133
Crowley
Wisconsin.

782
14:10:00,200 --> 14:10:01,001
And I
didn't

783
14:10:01,068 --> 14:10:02,336
know that the
Milwaukee

784
14:10:02,402 --> 14:10:04,471
County exec was in
of the state

785
14:10:04,538 --> 14:10:06,373
fair and like,
inure everyone stayed

786
14:10:06,440 --> 14:10:08,342
line there. But this
will keep coming up,

787
14:10:08,408 --> 14:10:10,477
right?
said,, as Rich

788
14:10:10,544 --> 14:10:11,645
statistics and
haved of feelings

789
14:10:11,712 --> 14:10:13,447
almost
withhing to do

790
14:10:13,514 --> 14:10:15,349
one another. In fact,
there's been research that

791
14:10:15,415 --> 14:10:16,383
shows that as crime
have steadily

792
14:10:16,450 --> 14:10:17,751
gone
down,

793
14:10:17,818 --> 14:10:18,619
minus
the

794
14:10:18,685 --> 14:10:19,353
Covid
spike, you

795
14:10:19,419 --> 14:10:20,687
know, from the
90s,

796
14:10:20,754 --> 14:10:21,355
coverage
of

797
14:10:21,421 --> 14:10:22,089
crime
has

798
14:10:22,155 --> 14:10:22,823
gone
up

799
14:10:22,890 --> 14:10:23,724
in
local

800
14:10:23,790 --> 14:10:24,591
media. And
ito

801
14:10:24,658 --> 14:10:25,325
gives the
aimpression to

802
14:10:25,392 --> 14:10:26,460
lot
of

803
14:10:26,527 --> 14:10:28,629
people. You know,
I talk to people

804
14:10:28,695 --> 14:10:30,297
from
are convinced thatee

805
14:10:30,364 --> 14:10:31,465
it's
fire just 100%

806
14:10:31,532 --> 14:10:32,132
of
the time.

807
14:10:32,199 --> 14:10:33,066
And
so

808
14:10:33,133 --> 14:10:34,434
if you
feel that

809
14:10:34,501 --> 14:10:36,336
way, it kind of
doesn't matter what the

810
14:10:36,403 --> 14:10:37,337
statistics say. And you
really

811
14:10:37,404 --> 14:10:38,105
leverage
that

812
14:10:38,172 --> 14:10:38,839
concern,
especially

813
14:10:38,906 --> 14:10:39,473
for
somebody like

814
14:10:39,540 --> 14:10:40,073
David
Crowley,

815
14:10:40,140 --> 14:10:40,908
who
is

816
14:10:40,974 --> 14:10:41,642
so
Milwaukee,

817
14:10:41,708 --> 14:10:42,409
right,
het

818
14:10:42,476 --> 14:10:43,143
is of
Milwaukee,

819
14:10:43,210 --> 14:10:44,545
he
is the county

820
14:10:44,611 --> 14:10:45,712
executive.
The

821
14:10:45,779 --> 14:10:46,180
Tom Tiffany
campaign

822
14:10:46,246 --> 14:10:46,980
will
try

823
14:10:47,047 --> 14:10:47,648
to
tie him

824
14:10:47,714 --> 14:10:48,949
to
every

825
14:10:49,016 --> 14:10:49,516
single
problem that

826
14:10:49,583 --> 14:10:50,617
Milwaukee
has,

827
14:10:50,684 --> 14:10:52,186
including
crime

828
14:10:52,252 --> 14:10:53,787
rates that are
than elsewhere in

829
14:10:53,854 --> 14:10:55,556
the state,
ofs just kind

830
14:10:55,622 --> 14:10:57,357
the nature of urban
centers.

831
14:10:57,424 --> 14:10:58,792
one last
area I

832
14:10:58,859 --> 14:11:00,894
want to talk about
and talking about

833
14:11:00,961 --> 14:11:02,796
changing
race, ifernor's

834
14:11:02,863 --> 14:11:04,798
we ever get away
from data centers being

835
14:11:04,865 --> 14:11:06,466
this primary driver, there
is the of these

836
14:11:06,533 --> 14:11:07,234
tariffs
Andng in.

837
14:11:07,301 --> 14:11:07,901
we
have a

838
14:11:07,968 --> 14:11:08,535
couple
different

839
14:11:08,602 --> 14:11:09,269
aspects
of.

840
14:11:09,336 --> 14:11:10,137
One is
Trump

841
14:11:10,204 --> 14:11:10,871
is
aescalating

842
14:11:10,938 --> 14:11:11,839
new trade
war with

843
14:11:11,905 --> 14:11:12,940
Canada.
And

844
14:11:13,006 --> 14:11:13,774
we're
also

845
14:11:13,841 --> 14:11:14,908
seeing
questions

846
14:11:14,975 --> 14:11:15,976
about whether he
would

847
14:11:16,043 --> 14:11:16,710
allow imported
coming

848
14:11:16,777 --> 14:11:17,277
in from
South

849
14:11:17,344 --> 14:11:18,111
America
to come

850
14:11:18,178 --> 14:11:19,079
into the
market and

851
14:11:19,146 --> 14:11:20,147
reducing
tariffs

852
14:11:20,214 --> 14:11:21,281
there.
And rich

853
14:11:21,348 --> 14:11:22,015
tariffs
have an

854
14:11:22,082 --> 14:11:23,050
interesting
another

855
14:11:23,116 --> 14:11:24,084
interesting aspect of
Republicans

856
14:11:24,151 --> 14:11:24,885
of when
Trump

857
14:11:24,952 --> 14:11:25,752
imposes
them, that

858
14:11:25,819 --> 14:11:26,687
they
don't change the

859
14:11:26,753 --> 14:11:27,487
cost
according

860
14:11:27,554 --> 14:11:28,121
to
Republicans.

861
14:11:28,188 --> 14:11:29,556
But when
he lowers

862
14:11:29,623 --> 14:11:31,592
them,
cost ofthesed to

863
14:11:31,658 --> 14:11:33,660
beef coming in. But
what's been the reaction

864
14:11:33,727 --> 14:11:35,128
to
tariff war battles

865
14:11:35,195 --> 14:11:36,864
going on?
>> So

866
14:11:37,898 --> 14:11:38,599
again, this
is

867
14:11:38,665 --> 14:11:39,266
something
that I would

868
14:11:39,333 --> 14:11:40,334
imagine
Republicans

869
14:11:40,400 --> 14:11:41,034
aren't
excited

870
14:11:41,101 --> 14:11:42,035
to talk
about, but

871
14:11:42,102 --> 14:11:43,003
Tom Tiffany
has in

872
14:11:43,070 --> 14:11:43,670
the
he'st,

873
14:11:43,737 --> 14:11:44,505
he's
talked about

874
14:11:44,571 --> 14:11:45,305
how
the

875
14:11:45,372 --> 14:11:46,440
president
is

876
14:11:46,507 --> 14:11:47,107
doing
these

877
14:11:47,174 --> 14:11:47,908
these
things,

878
14:11:47,975 --> 14:11:48,809
these
tariffs in

879
14:11:48,876 --> 14:11:50,611
order
to

880
14:11:50,677 --> 14:11:51,478
reshore
manufacturing

881
14:11:51,545 --> 14:11:52,145
in
Wisconsin,

882
14:11:52,212 --> 14:11:52,946
he said.
The

883
14:11:53,013 --> 14:11:53,614
media doesn't
talk

884
14:11:53,680 --> 14:11:54,648
about the
success

885
14:11:54,715 --> 14:11:55,582
stories.
He

886
14:11:55,649 --> 14:11:55,983
mentioned
something

887
14:11:56,049 --> 14:11:57,718
about
a

888
14:11:58,485 --> 14:11:59,887
Harley-Davidson
plant,

889
14:11:59,953 --> 14:12:01,054
something
happening with

890
14:12:01,121 --> 14:12:02,222
that
in

891
14:12:02,289 --> 14:12:03,957
Tomahawk.
So

892
14:12:04,591 --> 14:12:05,626
they
want to

893
14:12:05,692 --> 14:12:06,460
talk about
downsides

894
14:12:06,527 --> 14:12:07,427
of that.
did

895
14:12:07,494 --> 14:12:08,028
see something
I

896
14:12:08,095 --> 14:12:08,662
honestly
wasn't

897
14:12:08,729 --> 14:12:09,930
able
to

898
14:12:09,997 --> 14:12:10,898
go
the whole

899
14:12:10,964 --> 14:12:11,798
article,
but

900
14:12:11,865 --> 14:12:12,933
that Tom
Tiffany might

901
14:12:13,000 --> 14:12:13,767
have been
creating some

902
14:12:13,834 --> 14:12:14,368
distance
between

903
14:12:14,434 --> 14:12:15,169
the
president on

904
14:12:15,235 --> 14:12:15,969
this
latest

905
14:12:16,036 --> 14:12:16,503
batch with
regard

906
14:12:16,570 --> 14:12:17,371
to
Canada.

907
14:12:17,437 --> 14:12:18,071
But
again,

908
14:12:18,138 --> 14:12:19,139
I'm not
as

909
14:12:19,206 --> 14:12:19,940
not
super

910
14:12:20,007 --> 14:12:20,941
well
versed on

911
14:12:21,008 --> 14:12:21,675
that.
It's

912
14:12:21,742 --> 14:12:22,476
definitely
a

913
14:12:22,543 --> 14:12:23,243
topic,
though,

914
14:12:23,310 --> 14:12:24,211
with
affordability

915
14:12:24,278 --> 14:12:25,345
being top
concern

916
14:12:25,412 --> 14:12:27,080
among
voters in

917
14:12:27,147 --> 14:12:28,248
general,
and

918
14:12:28,315 --> 14:12:29,716
Democrats are going
to make

919
14:12:29,783 --> 14:12:31,084
hay with it.
And Anya,

920
14:12:31,151 --> 14:12:32,619
in our
minute here talking

921
14:12:32,686 --> 14:12:33,187
about
tariff

922
14:12:33,253 --> 14:12:33,987
issues,
I mean,

923
14:12:34,054 --> 14:12:34,721
Democrats were
quick

924
14:12:34,788 --> 14:12:35,522
to
pounce on

925
14:12:35,589 --> 14:12:36,190
this,
Governor

926
14:12:36,256 --> 14:12:38,258
Evers saying
we have a

927
14:12:38,592 --> 14:12:39,960
$7
Canada. Our closest

928
14:12:40,027 --> 14:12:40,827
neighbor.
Like

929
14:12:40,894 --> 14:12:41,795
these
reale

930
14:12:41,862 --> 14:12:43,163
world
not justtions,

931
14:12:43,230 --> 14:12:44,298
political
implications.

932
14:12:44,364 --> 14:12:45,199
>> Right. But
sortin, it's

933
14:12:45,265 --> 14:12:46,500
of
it's the work

934
14:12:46,567 --> 14:12:48,168
of
politicians to kind of

935
14:12:48,235 --> 14:12:48,802
draw
those

936
14:12:48,869 --> 14:12:49,570
connections and
make

937
14:12:49,636 --> 14:12:51,038
people
understand, you

938
14:12:51,104 --> 14:12:52,773
know,
you go to the

939
14:12:53,140 --> 14:12:54,775
grocery
this came,doesn't

940
14:12:54,842 --> 14:12:56,877
from X, Y, Z.
just sort of

941
14:12:56,944 --> 14:12:58,946
pick up your
and your milk and

942
14:12:59,012 --> 14:13:00,814
you
likewise, then

943
14:13:01,114 --> 14:13:02,516
especially kind
supplyn the

944
14:13:02,583 --> 14:13:03,584
chain, we
get a

945
14:13:03,650 --> 14:13:04,651
ton
fromod

946
14:13:04,718 --> 14:13:05,652
Canada, for
example. I

947
14:13:05,719 --> 14:13:06,720
don't see
like a

948
14:13:06,787 --> 14:13:07,788
sticker on this
table

949
14:13:07,855 --> 14:13:08,922
kind
howxplaining

950
14:13:08,989 --> 14:13:10,090
this
be. And soto

951
14:13:10,157 --> 14:13:12,159
it's
easy to feel kind

952
14:13:12,226 --> 14:13:14,027
of
person going just

953
14:13:14,094 --> 14:13:15,529
through the
some of these

954
14:13:15,596 --> 14:13:16,196
policies.
So it's the

955
14:13:16,263 --> 14:13:17,331
job
of Democrats if

956
14:13:17,397 --> 14:13:19,132
they
to make hay

957
14:13:19,199 --> 14:13:20,801
with this, as
said, to make that

958
14:13:20,868 --> 14:13:21,869
hay,
also is

959
14:13:21,935 --> 14:13:22,803
involves
little bit

960
14:13:22,870 --> 14:13:23,737
of
complicated

961
14:13:23,804 --> 14:13:25,205
explaining of
sort of

962
14:13:25,272 --> 14:13:26,139
geopolitical
maneuvering,

963
14:13:26,206 --> 14:13:27,174
which
is a little

964
14:13:27,241 --> 14:13:28,075
tricky
like a

965
14:13:28,141 --> 14:13:28,742
32nd
ad, as

966
14:13:28,809 --> 14:13:30,444
we've
talked about.

967
14:13:30,511 --> 14:13:32,479
And you have to
have the money to

968
14:13:32,546 --> 14:13:34,114
run those
over and over to

969
14:13:34,181 --> 14:13:34,882
explain
perhaps

970
14:13:34,948 --> 14:13:35,916
nuanced
geopolitical

971
14:13:35,983 --> 14:13:37,117
maneuvers
ann

972
14:13:37,184 --> 14:13:38,051
election.
Well, that is

973
14:13:38,118 --> 14:13:39,152
all the
time we

974
14:13:39,219 --> 14:13:40,454
have for
Oury.

975
14:13:40,521 --> 14:13:41,255
colleague Shawn
be backwill

976
14:13:41,321 --> 14:13:42,055
next
week.

977
14:13:42,122 --> 14:13:43,790
This
has been

978
14:13:44,825 --> 14:13:46,293
inside
to follow uslitics. Be

979
14:13:46,360 --> 14:13:48,262
on PBS
wisconsin.org.

980
14:13:48,328 --> 14:13:49,296
WPR.org,
YouTube, or

981
14:13:49,363 --> 14:13:51,365
wherever you
get your