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>> A
week

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week
from

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this past
Monday,

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like in four days
or.

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>> As the
general

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election
begins, the

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candidates for governor
look to

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define
one

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another.
That

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includes
Tom Tiffany

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attacking
David

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Crowley
on

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data
centers.

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This is
inside Wisconsin politics.

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I'm
Shawn

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Johnson
myere with

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colleagues
Wagtendonk and

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Zac Schultz.
>> Hello.

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>>
So

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it
feels

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like
ads are

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just
always

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running in
Wisconsin,

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swing state,
Wisconsin, where every

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election
is

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so
important.

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But
Ana,

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I
wonder

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if
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is an
argument

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to be
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that
the ads

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that
running

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right
now

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are
potentially very

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critical
the

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outcome of
a

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race
the one

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we have for
governor.

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>> I mean, right.
sort ofs

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the pivot point. We
are going from primary

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to
this particular instance,

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where we had such
crazynd of

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Democratic primary,
two veryow

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clear
candidates

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that are
tooing

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be on the
ballot.

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And so
themselves define

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and they're
another. And

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so right now,
think with all of

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that
of theg outnd of

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primary week, now is
the time that they

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have to
note entire state,

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just their party base,
and say, this is

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who I am.
perhaps thisantly,

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is who that
guy is. And here's

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why you don't want
for him.

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>> Define or be
Zac. It strikes

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me that
particular are

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maybe
that because they're not

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that well known.
They're not that well

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statewide. And this is
really their opportunity to

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decide on what
therritory

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election
will be

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fought.
Will it

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be
about

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for Tom
Tiffany? His greatest fear

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is this is an
his connections

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to Donald
Trump and

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the national
economy and

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affordability
or

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abortion,
or any of

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those topics that he
doesn't want to

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talk about.
For David

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Crowley,
it's

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absolutely
he doesn't

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want
have to talk

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about
crime

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rates, or
he

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doesn't want
about some of the

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executive
madeisions he's

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in
Milwaukee or some

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of the history of
county, and

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especially
where he is

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on
This isenters.

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one of those pivot
points that Tom

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Tiffany
trying to say.

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Let's put
becauset category,

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I think that's an
area that people want

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to
canthink I, and

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make it more favorable
to myself, especially in

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the sense that he's
well

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defined in
Just asrea.

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we were talking
createtrying to

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the definition of
stand Tom Tiffany

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on data centers?
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it's not super
clear.

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>> Yeah. I mean,
with the

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caveat that
how don't know

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it's going to work
neither does the

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Tiffany
campaign. As

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far
as

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wedge
issues

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go,
it's

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fairly
clever.

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This is
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relatively new
issue to

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politics.
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it's not
defined

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in the way
that

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some other issues are.
don't know exactly

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where
with therest groups

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parties.
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Ana
how is

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that
playing out

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in
this

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attack
from

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Tom
Tiffany?

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How is
he

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going
David

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Crowley
trying

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to
frame

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him?
>> Yeah, I mean,

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he's
against him.s

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He's calling
Data Center.

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David
Crowley

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DC,
DC

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as a
way of

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trying to kind of
to this.

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And the way he's
doing it is in

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a slightly
that becauseay

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David Crowley
rollkind ofged

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back these specific
makesntives, that that

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him more pro data
center. David Crowley is

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also kind of trying
split the difference

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a
supportell, Id

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local control. So
that don't want

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it
don't have to

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have
wouldI

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want, you know, sort
tight

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controls and
regulations in this kind of

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thing.
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other
kind

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of
interesting

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piece
of

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how
Tom

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Tiffany is
handling

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this, so
I went

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yesterday
to

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an
endorsement

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announcement
for these

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environmental
areoups that

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now backing
David

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Crowley.
And of

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course,
environmental

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concerns are
very

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tied
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in people's
concerns over

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data
centers.

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And
part of the

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way
that Tom

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Tiffany
is now

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framing it
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that
data

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centers
are taking

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away
farmland.

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And
also

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because
a push

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from
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to
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a
sustainable

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energy, be
sort

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of
the backbone

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of
data

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centers.
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also now
ofind

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using it as a
three punch

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of they're
not justrmland,

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to create data
but also to create

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wind farms and solar
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can kind of
it together in all

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of these things that
speak to Republican

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voters,
solar, like wind farms.ke

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And
their work have

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cut out for them
to kind of distinguish

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those issues.
Zac, I was just

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seeing some social media
appearances from Tom

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He was at an
and he's kind

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of framing it
data centers versus

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farmland
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maybe like
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pretty
transparent

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appeal
rural

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voters
in that

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instance.
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doing so
many

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things
at

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the same time
because it is about

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his
One of hisural

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earliest
months ago

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talked
about how

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prevent
foreign

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countries
coming in

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and buying
anarmland, which is

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issue that does concern
people that are worried

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about the rising
cost

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of
field out a to

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to put
crops in

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the
we've, as

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seen with
tariffs affecting s

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oybean
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farmers,
they're

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looking for
someone

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to
blame.

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And if
of there some

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cognitive
for them is

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they don't
want

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to blame Donald
Trump.

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I've
interviewed them, and

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they
him andmelly want

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his decisions. So
they Tom Tiffany says,

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well, it's not his
It's over here.

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This is who
blame for your rising

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costs. Well, they're more
than happy to follow

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along
that inclination

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to begin
with. So

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it's definitely a
to do that. But

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what's
fascinating ist that's

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he's
really

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trying to
split

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split
off

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those
Hong

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voters
from

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David
Crowley

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and
split the

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left,
because

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we've seen
elections

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where
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far
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progressive
left

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have
sat

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out.
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not in
huge

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numbers, but
enough

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numbers where
itotentially

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does swing
an

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election.
Clinton. Wery

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saw that with
Harris,

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and they're
trying

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to repeat
that

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pattern
with David

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Crowley.
they can paint

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him
as

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more
moderate,

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more
corporate

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and
less

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true,
far

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left
than some of

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those
voters may go

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third
or just set

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all together.
one of the

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concerns, is he has to
watch his flank, even

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though he won by
the center.

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>> That's definitely an
open question for me,

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especially because you at
least get the impression

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that a lot of
are maybeers

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not a
politics

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first
kind of

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voter. You
came to her

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because
she

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spoke to
them

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in different
ways, more

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of
candidate.

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She
not want

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to
with Donald

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Trump, but
a

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movement
candidate

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in that
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You get
different

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people into
the

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political
arena.

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And, you
know, one

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question that I think
of them had

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during the
whyary was,

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don't more
Democrats

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just
say what

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Francesca Hong is saying?
We're going to have

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a
I like the on data

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sounds of that.
Anauldn't David Crowley

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just say, hey, let's
let's put the brakes

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on
issue isnterhis

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all taken care of
for me politically.

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>>
Well,

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politically
speaking,

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data
centers are

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not
popular. The

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vast
majority

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of
voters,

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Democrats and
Republicans,

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don't
support data

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centers,
they

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certainly
support them sort

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of coming
But thereunities.

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is a real
kind

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of
around the

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types
in,ey can bring

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the kind of economic
development

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possibilities
so I think

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like
as a

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politician, you don't
necessarily want to

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say,
you know,

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categorically, I
will not

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support a
thatng

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could be
a driver

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of
economic

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growth,
inspecially

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some
of these kind of

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hard hit places in
Wisconsin that are kind

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of
foring

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economic
opportunities. You know,

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another
piece of this,

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too,
is

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that a
lot

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of
the the

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data
center,

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a
lot of

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the
thats

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Bakke
David

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Crowley
are

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involved
in

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data
center

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construction.
And so

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one of
that heings

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has said is that,
you know, again, if

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a local
center, oneants

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13:25:26,760 --> 13:25:28,595
of the things
he would want to

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see
has to be union

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13:25:31,031 --> 13:25:32,633
built. That gets you
support. And unions

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13:25:32,699 --> 13:25:34,468
are a
part of how the

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13:25:34,535 --> 13:25:35,736
Democratic Party defines
lf

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as being a party
the unions. And

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13:25:37,771 --> 13:25:39,840
unions are
big part of how

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13:25:39,907 --> 13:25:41,975
Republicans have started to
kind of make huge

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13:25:42,042 --> 13:25:43,810
inroads
union question,ople.

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I think, is
onetapped and unanswered

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13:25:45,746 --> 13:25:47,948
so far.
it seems like he's

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13:25:48,015 --> 13:25:49,950
also raised sort of
the practical arguments

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during the primary campaign
that, look, putting a

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13:25:51,585 --> 13:25:52,319
moratorium on these
things

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is, is not
going

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13:25:53,620 --> 13:25:54,788
to change
ones

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13:25:54,855 --> 13:25:56,823
that are already
the works, that there's

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13:25:56,890 --> 13:25:58,458
a lot of data
are happening

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13:25:58,525 --> 13:25:59,526
or in
development now

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13:25:59,593 --> 13:26:00,494
that a
moratorium

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13:26:00,561 --> 13:26:01,228
just
won't

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13:26:01,295 --> 13:26:02,663
solve.
So

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13:26:02,729 --> 13:26:03,430
how
are

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13:26:03,497 --> 13:26:04,131
we
seeing

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13:26:04,198 --> 13:26:05,199
David
Crowley

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13:26:05,265 --> 13:26:06,400
and his
allies? I

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13:26:06,466 --> 13:26:08,035
guess you'd
say

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13:26:08,101 --> 13:26:09,036
go
after

364
13:26:09,102 --> 13:26:09,603
Tom
Tiffany in this

365
13:26:09,670 --> 13:26:10,537
early
stage, or

366
13:26:10,604 --> 13:26:11,205
how
is

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13:26:11,271 --> 13:26:12,439
he
presenting

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13:26:12,506 --> 13:26:13,407
himself as
a

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13:26:13,473 --> 13:26:13,707
candidate for
governor

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13:26:13,774 --> 13:26:14,708
on
TV

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13:26:14,775 --> 13:26:15,642
airwaves?
>> Well, Tom

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13:26:15,709 --> 13:26:16,677
Tiffany
is

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13:26:16,743 --> 13:26:17,077
splitting
splitting the

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13:26:17,144 --> 13:26:17,945
baby.
He's

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13:26:18,011 --> 13:26:19,379
doing a
bitttle

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13:26:19,446 --> 13:26:20,480
of both.
continuing his. I'm i

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n.
Every

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13:26:21,248 --> 13:26:21,882
man who
thinks

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13:26:21,949 --> 13:26:22,516
of,
you know,

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13:26:22,583 --> 13:26:23,350
your
rural

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farmland
and your

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13:26:24,051 --> 13:26:24,852
local
schools.

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He's still
somening

384
13:26:25,552 --> 13:26:26,453
of those
positive

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13:26:26,520 --> 13:26:27,221
ads
to

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13:26:27,287 --> 13:26:28,288
try and
define

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13:26:28,355 --> 13:26:29,656
himself.
oft was one

388
13:26:29,723 --> 13:26:31,558
his goals
of the freedoms he

389
13:26:31,625 --> 13:26:33,794
had of not having
is heimary

390
13:26:33,861 --> 13:26:35,429
could spend millions
dollars trying to create

391
13:26:35,495 --> 13:26:36,663
a brand for himself
as a

392
13:26:36,730 --> 13:26:37,564
Wisconsin guy,
because

393
13:26:37,631 --> 13:26:38,365
his
brand

394
13:26:38,432 --> 13:26:40,167
as a
D.C.

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13:26:40,234 --> 13:26:41,235
congressman
is

396
13:26:41,301 --> 13:26:42,069
frankly
toxic

397
13:26:42,135 --> 13:26:43,437
in the
national

398
13:26:43,504 --> 13:26:44,438
political
environment around. No one

399
13:26:44,505 --> 13:26:45,372
wants to
say,

400
13:26:45,439 --> 13:26:45,806
I'm
connected

401
13:26:45,873 --> 13:26:46,807
to
Donald

402
13:26:46,874 --> 13:26:47,574
Trump
Washington,

403
13:26:47,641 --> 13:26:48,475
D.C.
no

404
13:26:48,542 --> 13:26:49,209
one
from either

405
13:26:49,276 --> 13:26:49,910
party
really

406
13:26:49,977 --> 13:26:50,878
likes that
at this

407
13:26:50,944 --> 13:26:51,411
very
moment.

408
13:26:51,478 --> 13:26:52,145
So he
has to

409
13:26:52,212 --> 13:26:53,380
build
brand of

410
13:26:53,447 --> 13:26:54,414
being from
Wisconsin, and

411
13:26:54,481 --> 13:26:56,250
he's got
enough roots

412
13:26:56,316 --> 13:26:58,318
to be able to
and he's got the

413
13:26:58,385 --> 13:27:00,153
support to do it,
got the's

414
13:27:00,220 --> 13:27:02,456
money to do it.
at the same

415
13:27:02,523 --> 13:27:04,458
time, he's
negative ads,

416
13:27:04,525 --> 13:27:06,326
going after
theseall ofey

417
13:27:06,393 --> 13:27:08,595
areas. Crowley on the
flip side is and

418
13:27:08,662 --> 13:27:10,097
his allies
Democratic Governors

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13:27:10,163 --> 13:27:11,431
Association are doing
hing

420
13:27:11,498 --> 13:27:13,667
we expected to
linking, which is

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13:27:13,734 --> 13:27:14,701
Tiffany to Trump
national politicnd

422
13:27:14,768 --> 13:27:16,236
s,
that is their

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13:27:16,303 --> 13:27:17,571
route right
to try and

424
13:27:17,638 --> 13:27:19,039
connect
those dots for voters

425
13:27:19,106 --> 13:27:19,907
who
understand

426
13:27:19,973 --> 13:27:20,440
that,
because

427
13:27:20,507 --> 13:27:21,208
that is
not a

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13:27:21,275 --> 13:27:21,775
winning
formula

429
13:27:21,842 --> 13:27:22,442
for
Tom

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13:27:22,509 --> 13:27:23,677
Tiffany going
into the

431
13:27:23,744 --> 13:27:24,378
fall.
Voters are thinking of

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13:27:24,444 --> 13:27:25,245
those
two

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13:27:25,312 --> 13:27:26,046
together.
>> And

434
13:27:26,113 --> 13:27:26,914
and, you
know, we

435
13:27:26,980 --> 13:27:27,981
are now
seeing it

436
13:27:28,048 --> 13:27:29,316
was more
aan

437
13:27:29,383 --> 13:27:30,617
week after the
David Crowley

438
13:27:30,684 --> 13:27:31,185
running his
first ad where

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13:27:31,251 --> 13:27:32,853
it's
kind of

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13:27:32,920 --> 13:27:33,854
biographical,
Democratic Governors

441
13:27:33,921 --> 13:27:34,955
Association
ads

442
13:27:35,022 --> 13:27:35,689
were out
right

443
13:27:35,756 --> 13:27:36,623
away
after the

444
13:27:36,690 --> 13:27:37,424
primary
and

445
13:27:37,491 --> 13:27:38,058
kind of
seemed

446
13:27:38,125 --> 13:27:38,759
to to
fill

447
13:27:38,825 --> 13:27:39,826
that
crucial

448
13:27:39,893 --> 13:27:40,594
period
when

449
13:27:40,661 --> 13:27:41,461
you want
to be

450
13:27:41,528 --> 13:27:42,563
grabbing
people's

451
13:27:42,629 --> 13:27:44,231
attention,
what does

452
13:27:44,298 --> 13:27:44,865
it take
for

453
13:27:44,932 --> 13:27:45,566
one
side

454
13:27:45,632 --> 13:27:47,134
to
win

455
13:27:47,201 --> 13:27:48,202
this,
this

456
13:27:48,268 --> 13:27:49,736
definition
war?

457
13:27:49,803 --> 13:27:51,138
Anya and
Zac? I

458
13:27:51,205 --> 13:27:52,406
mean, it's kind
an open question,

459
13:27:52,472 --> 13:27:53,207
but
maybe

460
13:27:53,273 --> 13:27:53,874
it's a
simple

461
13:27:53,941 --> 13:27:55,042
answer.
>> I

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13:27:55,108 --> 13:27:55,809
actually
well, I

463
13:27:55,876 --> 13:27:56,743
think
it's sort of

464
13:27:56,810 --> 13:27:58,378
a
answer in that

465
13:27:58,445 --> 13:27:59,413
the question
nobody,

466
13:27:59,479 --> 13:28:00,414
knows.
Sure.

467
13:28:00,480 --> 13:28:01,048
Every
sort of,

468
13:28:01,114 --> 13:28:02,015
you
know,

469
13:28:02,082 --> 13:28:02,549
political
advertising

470
13:28:02,616 --> 13:28:03,350
expert
I've

471
13:28:03,417 --> 13:28:04,051
ever
spoken

472
13:28:04,117 --> 13:28:04,685
to
said,

473
13:28:04,751 --> 13:28:05,619
you
know,

474
13:28:05,686 --> 13:28:06,220
nobody
knows why

475
13:28:06,286 --> 13:28:07,120
people
choose

476
13:28:07,187 --> 13:28:08,188
Colgate over
crest or

477
13:28:08,255 --> 13:28:09,189
crest
over Colgate. But

478
13:28:09,256 --> 13:28:10,457
people
billions of

479
13:28:10,524 --> 13:28:12,426
dollars
oneat you pick

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13:28:12,492 --> 13:28:14,461
of those. And it's
of the same

481
13:28:14,528 --> 13:28:16,563
with when
think,o Iting.

482
13:28:16,630 --> 13:28:18,565
you know, we're
we'renegative ads,

483
13:28:18,632 --> 13:28:20,400
seeing the positive
like we're seeing just

484
13:28:20,467 --> 13:28:22,769
kind of a lot
types oferent

485
13:28:22,836 --> 13:28:24,137
messaging get
what resonatese

486
13:28:24,204 --> 13:28:25,339
with like a,
Jung

487
13:28:25,405 --> 13:28:26,073
annoyed,
you know,

488
13:28:26,139 --> 13:28:26,773
hung
voter who

489
13:28:26,840 --> 13:28:27,407
isn't
quite

490
13:28:27,474 --> 13:28:28,275
sure
about

491
13:28:28,342 --> 13:28:29,209
Crowley
isn't

492
13:28:29,276 --> 13:28:30,777
going to
be the same thing

493
13:28:30,844 --> 13:28:32,346
that resonates with just
sort of like your

494
13:28:32,412 --> 13:28:32,913
moderate
person who

495
13:28:32,980 --> 13:28:34,214
hasn't
really

496
13:28:34,281 --> 13:28:35,682
been paying attention,
maybe didn't vote in

497
13:28:35,749 --> 13:28:37,551
the
vote intobut is

498
13:28:37,818 --> 13:28:39,786
the general and in
any election where the

499
13:28:39,853 --> 13:28:41,788
difference might be 20,000
votes. As we often

500
13:28:41,855 --> 13:28:43,590
see in
you kind ofal

501
13:28:43,657 --> 13:28:45,726
need to get a
little bit of each

502
13:28:45,792 --> 13:28:47,895
of those
>> So, Shawn,

503
13:28:47,961 --> 13:28:49,730
we've seen
there's a phrasery

504
13:28:49,796 --> 13:28:51,765
that this
about, it talks

505
13:28:51,832 --> 13:28:53,700
you. You can't win
the election now, but

506
13:28:53,767 --> 13:28:55,435
you
mind,n your.

507
13:28:55,769 --> 13:28:57,804
what is the losing
move from either one

508
13:28:57,871 --> 13:28:59,740
of
could they dotes? Of

509
13:28:59,806 --> 13:29:01,642
to really put
in a hole going

510
13:29:01,708 --> 13:29:03,644
into the fall?
You know, one way

511
13:29:03,710 --> 13:29:05,379
to do
disappear.o

512
13:29:05,712 --> 13:29:07,748
You know, if if
David Crowley had had

513
13:29:07,814 --> 13:29:09,483
no
nollies had had

514
13:29:09,816 --> 13:29:11,919
money and just been
the air for

515
13:29:11,985 --> 13:29:13,854
a couple of
territory. Youous

516
13:29:13,921 --> 13:29:15,222
know, when
answersomebody to

517
13:29:15,289 --> 13:29:16,557
the
Tiffany

518
13:29:16,623 --> 13:29:17,624
attacks,
you get in

519
13:29:17,691 --> 13:29:18,225
real
thatuble

520
13:29:18,292 --> 13:29:18,959
way.
And so

521
13:29:19,026 --> 13:29:19,760
I
think

522
13:29:19,826 --> 13:29:20,327
the
one thing

523
13:29:20,394 --> 13:29:21,128
you
do is

524
13:29:21,195 --> 13:29:21,962
you
keep

525
13:29:22,029 --> 13:29:22,763
hitting those
ads.

526
13:29:22,829 --> 13:29:23,664
The Colgate
and

527
13:29:23,730 --> 13:29:24,331
Crest
isds

528
13:29:24,398 --> 13:29:25,465
Sonya
would

529
13:29:25,532 --> 13:29:26,600
as
she would

530
13:29:26,667 --> 13:29:27,467
characterize
them.

531
13:29:27,534 --> 13:29:29,069
So
that's one thing that

532
13:29:29,136 --> 13:29:30,404
we've
I think forem.

533
13:29:30,470 --> 13:29:31,972
Tiffany,
kinds also, though,

534
13:29:32,039 --> 13:29:34,141
of a critical period
because

535
13:29:34,208 --> 13:29:35,075
when
the thought

536
13:29:35,142 --> 13:29:36,577
was this
was going to be

537
13:29:36,643 --> 13:29:37,678
a
Hongny versus

538
13:29:37,744 --> 13:29:38,478
race,
which

539
13:29:38,545 --> 13:29:39,413
was
conventional

540
13:29:39,479 --> 13:29:40,247
wisdom.
You

541
13:29:40,314 --> 13:29:40,881
know, a
couple

542
13:29:40,948 --> 13:29:42,416
weeks ago,
you

543
13:29:42,482 --> 13:29:43,217
had
Republican

544
13:29:43,283 --> 13:29:43,851
donors
theound

545
13:29:43,917 --> 13:29:44,384
country
saying,

546
13:29:44,451 --> 13:29:45,118
sign
me

547
13:29:45,185 --> 13:29:46,053
up.
I

548
13:29:46,119 --> 13:29:46,687
want to
put money

549
13:29:46,753 --> 13:29:47,421
into that
race.

550
13:29:47,487 --> 13:29:48,589
I want
to

551
13:29:48,655 --> 13:29:49,957
fight back democratic
socialism.

552
13:29:50,023 --> 13:29:50,724
And
I want

553
13:29:50,791 --> 13:29:51,425
a
potential

554
13:29:51,491 --> 13:29:51,959
win in
a swing

555
13:29:52,025 --> 13:29:52,993
state.
In

556
13:29:53,060 --> 13:29:53,727
a year when
Republicans

557
13:29:53,794 --> 13:29:54,194
could
have

558
13:29:54,261 --> 13:29:55,062
losses
all

559
13:29:55,128 --> 13:29:56,330
over the
place.

560
13:29:56,396 --> 13:29:57,197
I
think

561
13:29:57,264 --> 13:29:58,765
the
conventional

562
13:29:58,832 --> 13:29:59,666
wisdom right now
is still

563
13:29:59,733 --> 13:30:00,868
that
this is

564
13:30:00,934 --> 13:30:01,969
Wisconsin.
Everything's

565
13:30:02,035 --> 13:30:02,603
50/50 here.
It's a

566
13:30:02,669 --> 13:30:03,303
race for
governor.

567
13:30:03,370 --> 13:30:04,171
And so,
yeah,

568
13:30:04,238 --> 13:30:05,138
it's
winnable

569
13:30:05,205 --> 13:30:06,273
for Tom
Tiffany,

570
13:30:06,340 --> 13:30:06,907
but
needs

571
13:30:06,974 --> 13:30:08,275
to
maintain

572
13:30:08,342 --> 13:30:09,443
that
perception that he

573
13:30:09,510 --> 13:30:10,511
can win
this

574
13:30:10,577 --> 13:30:11,378
race.
Because

575
13:30:11,445 --> 13:30:12,446
once
perception goes

576
13:30:12,513 --> 13:30:14,081
the
the money is

577
13:30:14,147 --> 13:30:15,816
going to
I with it,

578
13:30:15,883 --> 13:30:16,650
got
a more

579
13:30:16,717 --> 13:30:18,185
important
question.

580
13:30:18,252 --> 13:30:19,019
What do
think

581
13:30:19,086 --> 13:30:19,786
about
the way

582
13:30:19,853 --> 13:30:20,587
these
ads

583
13:30:20,654 --> 13:30:22,122
look?
How are the

584
13:30:22,189 --> 13:30:23,056
candidates
portrayed in

585
13:30:23,123 --> 13:30:23,824
them
when

586
13:30:23,891 --> 13:30:24,658
they talk
dataut

587
13:30:24,725 --> 13:30:25,659
center?
David

588
13:30:25,726 --> 13:30:27,427
Crowley,
you

589
13:30:27,494 --> 13:30:28,128
know,
the

590
13:30:28,195 --> 13:30:29,162
visuals are
very

591
13:30:29,229 --> 13:30:29,963
striking in
that

592
13:30:30,030 --> 13:30:30,797
ad.
>> Yeah.

593
13:30:30,864 --> 13:30:32,032
And I
especially

594
13:30:32,099 --> 13:30:33,367
compared to,
again, the sort of

595
13:30:33,433 --> 13:30:34,034
pro
Tiffany

596
13:30:34,101 --> 13:30:35,869
ads,
likech are all

597
13:30:35,936 --> 13:30:37,504
sunshine and
andckyards

598
13:30:37,571 --> 13:30:38,305
pancakes
and

599
13:30:38,372 --> 13:30:39,373
his
kind of,

600
13:30:39,439 --> 13:30:40,340
you know,
defining

601
13:30:40,407 --> 13:30:40,974
himself
ad is

602
13:30:41,041 --> 13:30:41,742
him
saying

603
13:30:41,808 --> 13:30:42,576
like, I'll
teach

604
13:30:42,643 --> 13:30:43,443
your kids
read

605
13:30:43,510 --> 13:30:44,111
and
I'll put

606
13:30:44,178 --> 13:30:45,512
money
in your pocket. And

607
13:30:45,579 --> 13:30:46,146
a third
promise

608
13:30:46,213 --> 13:30:47,147
that
was quite

609
13:30:47,214 --> 13:30:47,981
pithy and
remembering

610
13:30:48,048 --> 13:30:48,782
right
now as

611
13:30:48,849 --> 13:30:49,750
compared to
the kind of

612
13:30:49,816 --> 13:30:51,084
doom
and gloom of

613
13:30:51,151 --> 13:30:52,953
this
person's going to come

614
13:30:53,020 --> 13:30:54,688
in
steal yourndta

615
13:30:54,955 --> 13:30:56,957
farm. And so it
really is like these

616
13:30:57,024 --> 13:30:58,992
tonal
kind of gos. And as

617
13:30:59,059 --> 13:31:00,961
between them, it
is like even just

618
13:31:01,028 --> 13:31:02,696
a
Black andference of

619
13:31:02,763 --> 13:31:03,931
white versus
>>chnicolor.

620
13:31:03,997 --> 13:31:05,499
Yeah. I mean, the
Crowley thing reminds me,

621
13:31:05,566 --> 13:31:06,333
okay, Anya,
this is

622
13:31:06,400 --> 13:31:07,100
a
very

623
13:31:07,167 --> 13:31:07,868
old
reference, but

624
13:31:07,935 --> 13:31:09,503
Max
headroom, the,

625
13:31:09,570 --> 13:31:10,337
the,
know,

626
13:31:10,404 --> 13:31:11,538
kind of
apocalyptic

627
13:31:11,605 --> 13:31:12,439
doom
and

628
13:31:12,506 --> 13:31:14,107
gloom
vision of

629
13:31:14,174 --> 13:31:15,576
the
1980s of

630
13:31:15,642 --> 13:31:16,677
our
future

631
13:31:16,743 --> 13:31:17,344
where
we got

632
13:31:17,411 --> 13:31:17,911
kind
of

633
13:31:17,978 --> 13:31:19,646
this,
like

634
13:31:20,080 --> 13:31:21,548
kind of
digital

635
13:31:21,615 --> 13:31:22,449
background.
And then

636
13:31:22,516 --> 13:31:23,116
there's
David

637
13:31:23,183 --> 13:31:24,251
Crowley
talking

638
13:31:24,318 --> 13:31:25,752
up on
stage. He

639
13:31:25,819 --> 13:31:27,721
was
You know, forum.

640
13:31:28,055 --> 13:31:29,556
they obviously
make itound to

641
13:31:29,623 --> 13:31:31,158
look a little
Zac, you

642
13:31:31,225 --> 13:31:32,159
remember
Obviously, you had

643
13:31:32,226 --> 13:31:33,760
the
same exact thought when

644
13:31:33,827 --> 13:31:35,863
you watched that.
I think of Max

645
13:31:35,929 --> 13:31:38,065
headroom
He would be a

646
13:31:38,131 --> 13:31:39,800
podcaster today. He would
be a television anchor.

647
13:31:39,867 --> 13:31:41,034
I
goingmediums

648
13:31:41,101 --> 13:31:41,802
forward.
>> Yeah, we

649
13:31:41,869 --> 13:31:42,736
we
just

650
13:31:42,803 --> 13:31:43,570
hadn't
figured out

651
13:31:43,637 --> 13:31:44,538
where
wass role

652
13:31:44,605 --> 13:31:45,973
in the
>>orld.

653
13:31:46,039 --> 13:31:47,875
Yeah, that's a Google
reference for all the

654
13:31:47,941 --> 13:31:49,776
kids
>>t. Max Headroom.

655
13:31:49,843 --> 13:31:51,678
Yeah, I will also
that.le

656
13:31:51,745 --> 13:31:52,679
yeah.
memoriesn

657
13:31:52,746 --> 13:31:54,147
here.
>> The

658
13:31:54,214 --> 13:31:55,048
Democratic
ads

659
13:31:55,115 --> 13:31:55,449
attacking
Crowley though

660
13:31:55,516 --> 13:31:57,084
to
me

661
13:31:57,150 --> 13:31:57,751
it's
funny.

662
13:31:57,818 --> 13:31:58,619
They have
to

663
13:31:58,685 --> 13:31:59,586
portray the
Tom Tiffany

664
13:31:59,653 --> 13:32:00,954
that, you
know,

665
13:32:01,021 --> 13:32:02,022
that
that

666
13:32:02,089 --> 13:32:02,956
ads
attacking

667
13:32:03,023 --> 13:32:03,891
Tiffany
missI

668
13:32:03,957 --> 13:32:04,491
said
that

669
13:32:04,558 --> 13:32:05,425
they have
to

670
13:32:05,492 --> 13:32:06,360
portray the
Tom

671
13:32:06,426 --> 13:32:08,428
Tiffany
and sou know,

672
13:32:08,762 --> 13:32:10,163
the
up on the screen they put

673
13:32:10,230 --> 13:32:11,231
is the Tom
Tiffany

674
13:32:11,298 --> 13:32:12,132
from these
where

675
13:32:12,199 --> 13:32:13,166
he's like, you
know,

676
13:32:13,233 --> 13:32:14,368
I'm Mr.
Wisconsin and

677
13:32:14,434 --> 13:32:15,335
I'm
pancakes

678
13:32:15,402 --> 13:32:16,436
and,
you

679
13:32:16,503 --> 13:32:17,838
know,
attending

680
13:32:17,905 --> 13:32:18,505
a
damn, you

681
13:32:18,572 --> 13:32:20,240
name
it.

682
13:32:20,574 --> 13:32:21,942
>> One of
them,

683
13:32:22,009 --> 13:32:24,144
they do
whichbolo tie look,

684
13:32:24,211 --> 13:32:25,646
is interesting
out brought that

685
13:32:25,712 --> 13:32:26,480
early in the
campaign

686
13:32:26,547 --> 13:32:28,081
to, to
get a

687
13:32:28,148 --> 13:32:29,650
little of the
thents element. But

688
13:32:29,716 --> 13:32:30,884
he went
away from

689
13:32:30,951 --> 13:32:32,619
it
polished.s

690
13:32:32,886 --> 13:32:33,820
But one of those
ads has

691
13:32:33,887 --> 13:32:34,721
Tom
in the

692
13:32:34,788 --> 13:32:36,256
bolo
tie,

693
13:32:36,323 --> 13:32:37,057
which is
an

694
13:32:37,124 --> 13:32:37,758
interesting
look,

695
13:32:37,824 --> 13:32:38,692
because
what is it

696
13:32:38,759 --> 13:32:40,494
trying
mean,ay? I

697
13:32:40,561 --> 13:32:42,462
is that a Wisconsin
look? Is that a

698
13:32:42,529 --> 13:32:43,664
rural look?
a rustic look?

699
13:32:43,730 --> 13:32:45,599
And
it's just when they

700
13:32:45,666 --> 13:32:47,634
pick
pick themngs, it's

701
13:32:47,701 --> 13:32:49,169
apart. If you're
bored and you like

702
13:32:49,236 --> 13:32:50,637
to watch campaign
s,

703
13:32:50,704 --> 13:32:52,472
which who
thinkthen Ime

704
13:32:52,539 --> 13:32:54,675
that is one thing
decide is how

705
13:32:54,741 --> 13:32:56,577
do they
candidate look

706
13:32:56,643 --> 13:32:57,544
most
appealing to theot

707
13:32:57,611 --> 13:32:58,612
average
voter,

708
13:32:58,679 --> 13:32:59,213
versus how
do

709
13:32:59,279 --> 13:33:00,147
they
portray

710
13:33:00,214 --> 13:33:00,881
themselves? What
kind of lighting

711
13:33:00,948 --> 13:33:01,582
and
are they

712
13:33:01,648 --> 13:33:02,316
dressed?
And I

713
13:33:02,382 --> 13:33:03,383
think
Tiffany's

714
13:33:03,450 --> 13:33:04,251
wearing a
jackett

715
13:33:04,318 --> 13:33:05,552
in one of
them.

716
13:33:05,619 --> 13:33:06,854
He's of course, he's
got his rural

717
13:33:06,920 --> 13:33:08,889
connections.
>> Well, and I

718
13:33:08,956 --> 13:33:10,858
think that
interesting point, which

719
13:33:10,924 --> 13:33:12,659
is
watch these political

720
13:33:12,726 --> 13:33:13,760
ads.
is likesally what

721
13:33:13,827 --> 13:33:15,629
one
peopleup and

722
13:33:15,696 --> 13:33:17,731
change the channel,
they try to get

723
13:33:17,798 --> 13:33:19,499
out of
whatever. And

724
13:33:19,566 --> 13:33:21,735
so you need
of all of those

725
13:33:21,802 --> 13:33:23,570
frames,
something. say

726
13:33:23,637 --> 13:33:25,739
So another thing
you see a lot

727
13:33:25,806 --> 13:33:27,774
in these
himtack ads is

728
13:33:27,841 --> 13:33:29,610
next to Donald Trump
because like, that's the

729
13:33:29,676 --> 13:33:31,845
only thing that you
one split

730
13:33:31,912 --> 13:33:33,514
second, it's
together inse

731
13:33:33,580 --> 13:33:36,049
your mind. And
is a win for

732
13:33:36,116 --> 13:33:37,684
Democrats.
unmistakable. They always

733
13:33:37,751 --> 13:33:39,353
try to try the
Tom, Tiffany,

734
13:33:39,419 --> 13:33:40,387
Donald Trump,
those are

735
13:33:40,454 --> 13:33:41,588
that's like low
hanging

736
13:33:41,655 --> 13:33:43,023
fruit
for

737
13:33:43,090 --> 13:33:43,924
Democrats
time. And

738
13:33:43,991 --> 13:33:44,791
as
theever as

739
13:33:44,858 --> 13:33:45,225
data center
ads

740
13:33:45,292 --> 13:33:45,993
are
for

741
13:33:46,059 --> 13:33:47,227
Tom
Tiffany,

742
13:33:47,294 --> 13:33:48,295
it
theght be

743
13:33:48,362 --> 13:33:49,296
Democrats just
need to

744
13:33:49,363 --> 13:33:50,330
hit those go to
points

745
13:33:50,397 --> 13:33:51,131
over
over

746
13:33:51,198 --> 13:33:51,698
again in
this

747
13:33:51,765 --> 13:33:52,699
midterm
election.

748
13:33:52,766 --> 13:33:53,901
>> I
have

749
13:33:53,967 --> 13:33:54,668
another follow up
question

750
13:33:54,735 --> 13:33:55,802
for
both of you.

751
13:33:55,869 --> 13:33:57,337
And that is, how
long will

752
13:33:57,404 --> 13:33:57,971
Francesca Hong
continue

753
13:33:58,038 --> 13:33:58,872
to
define this

754
13:33:58,939 --> 13:33:59,573
election
she's not

755
13:33:59,640 --> 13:34:00,541
in
it?

756
13:34:00,607 --> 13:34:01,308
She set
the

757
13:34:01,375 --> 13:34:02,309
standard in the
Democratic

758
13:34:02,376 --> 13:34:02,976
primary.
She was

759
13:34:03,043 --> 13:34:03,610
the
conversation,

760
13:34:03,677 --> 13:34:04,278
and
it's

761
13:34:04,344 --> 13:34:04,945
her
position

762
13:34:05,012 --> 13:34:05,812
on
data

763
13:34:05,879 --> 13:34:06,580
centers
that is

764
13:34:06,647 --> 13:34:07,247
still
defining

765
13:34:07,314 --> 13:34:07,814
this
race.

766
13:34:07,881 --> 13:34:08,782
So
how

767
13:34:08,849 --> 13:34:09,283
much longer
will

768
13:34:09,349 --> 13:34:09,750
we
see

769
13:34:09,816 --> 13:34:10,617
her
loom

770
13:34:10,684 --> 13:34:11,418
over all
of

771
13:34:11,485 --> 13:34:12,386
this?
>> Well,

772
13:34:12,452 --> 13:34:13,320
and
and

773
13:34:13,387 --> 13:34:14,788
I
think

774
13:34:14,855 --> 13:34:15,622
probably till
November,

775
13:34:15,689 --> 13:34:16,423
she's out
there

776
13:34:16,490 --> 13:34:17,257
campaigning
for David

777
13:34:17,324 --> 13:34:19,126
Crowley
right? I mean,

778
13:34:19,193 --> 13:34:20,527
she's not
just being a silent partner

779
13:34:20,594 --> 13:34:21,228
here.
She's out there

780
13:34:21,295 --> 13:34:22,763
saying,
I

781
13:34:22,829 --> 13:34:23,463
support
David

782
13:34:23,530 --> 13:34:24,131
Crowley.
You

783
13:34:24,198 --> 13:34:24,865
should
too.

784
13:34:24,932 --> 13:34:25,532
And
some of

785
13:34:25,599 --> 13:34:27,000
her
supporters

786
13:34:27,067 --> 13:34:27,668
don't
thatually care for

787
13:34:27,734 --> 13:34:28,435
either.
You

788
13:34:28,502 --> 13:34:28,836
know,
they're

789
13:34:28,902 --> 13:34:29,770
kind of
going

790
13:34:29,837 --> 13:34:30,370
along
reluctantly

791
13:34:30,437 --> 13:34:31,004
or not
at

792
13:34:31,071 --> 13:34:31,738
all.
So,

793
13:34:31,805 --> 13:34:33,073
I
mean, I

794
13:34:33,140 --> 13:34:34,708
think it's
that's goingg

795
13:34:34,775 --> 13:34:36,944
to be going on
for a while.

796
13:34:37,010 --> 13:34:38,846
Yeah. And I think
Democrats kind of

797
13:34:38,912 --> 13:34:41,048
don't win
does not fully kind

798
13:34:41,114 --> 13:34:42,950
of throw her weight
this. Because if

799
13:34:43,016 --> 13:34:44,952
you lose
nominationthe

800
13:34:45,018 --> 13:34:46,954
by 3500 votes,
she did, like that

801
13:34:47,020 --> 13:34:49,156
is
mandateand decisive

802
13:34:49,223 --> 13:34:50,958
for David Crowley
issueicularly on this

803
13:34:51,024 --> 13:34:53,160
of data centers,
I think there is

804
13:34:53,227 --> 13:34:54,761
no
that question, that

805
13:34:54,828 --> 13:34:56,096
a huge
why she did

806
13:34:56,163 --> 13:34:57,731
kind
stand out was

807
13:34:57,798 --> 13:34:58,832
because she
mostthe

808
13:34:58,899 --> 13:34:59,499
standout
stance on

809
13:34:59,566 --> 13:35:00,968
that
issue.

810
13:35:01,034 --> 13:35:01,969
So if
she wants

811
13:35:02,035 --> 13:35:03,036
to kind of
if

812
13:35:03,103 --> 13:35:03,971
Democrats want
her

813
13:35:04,037 --> 13:35:05,005
voters
to come

814
13:35:05,072 --> 13:35:05,672
along, it's
going

815
13:35:05,739 --> 13:35:06,507
to need
to

816
13:35:06,573 --> 13:35:07,040
both revolve
around

817
13:35:07,107 --> 13:35:07,708
that
issue and

818
13:35:07,774 --> 13:35:08,642
also
have

819
13:35:08,709 --> 13:35:09,776
her as
the

820
13:35:09,843 --> 13:35:10,277
movement
candidate,

821
13:35:10,344 --> 13:35:10,944
not just
kind

822
13:35:11,011 --> 13:35:11,678
of
the issues

823
13:35:11,745 --> 13:35:13,013
that
behind, but

824
13:35:13,080 --> 13:35:14,181
her as this
very

825
13:35:14,248 --> 13:35:15,382
compelling figure to
the

826
13:35:15,449 --> 13:35:16,116
300, some
odd

827
13:35:16,183 --> 13:35:17,017
thousand
people

828
13:35:17,084 --> 13:35:18,886
who voted for
kind of

829
13:35:18,952 --> 13:35:20,787
get on board and
certainly not stay home

830
13:35:20,854 --> 13:35:22,656
on
Well, and I think

831
13:35:23,023 --> 13:35:24,758
you
voters thatember

832
13:35:24,825 --> 13:35:26,860
did stay with
did that in the

833
13:35:26,927 --> 13:35:28,862
face of
worldsure in the

834
13:35:28,929 --> 13:35:30,998
from ads, their own
party members, a lot

835
13:35:31,064 --> 13:35:32,866
of
you sure abouts saying,

836
13:35:32,933 --> 13:35:34,968
this vote?
stuck with her. So

837
13:35:35,035 --> 13:35:37,037
they weren't casual Hong
voters. So where she

838
13:35:37,104 --> 13:35:38,839
goes
decide, well, how

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many of
tag along with her

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13:35:40,874 --> 13:35:43,010
and say, all right,
believe in the

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13:35:43,076 --> 13:35:44,878
mission. But
sheom the beginning

842
13:35:44,945 --> 13:35:46,847
was on board to
Tom Tiffany. And

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13:35:46,914 --> 13:35:48,749
she will
be a crucial player

844
13:35:48,815 --> 13:35:50,984
in this all the
which isough,

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13:35:51,051 --> 13:35:52,853
fascinating to see
much impact she's had

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13:35:52,920 --> 13:35:54,888
in this whole process.
>> I'll tell you

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13:35:54,955 --> 13:35:56,857
one other
knowt we don't

848
13:35:56,924 --> 13:35:58,892
right now. As we
here today, we

849
13:35:58,959 --> 13:36:00,761
have the ads.
seen them. We have

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13:36:00,827 --> 13:36:02,729
what they say they're
to do in

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13:36:02,796 --> 13:36:04,831
terms of how big
the reach of the

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13:36:04,898 --> 13:36:06,633
ads is. We
know how much they're

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13:36:06,700 --> 13:36:07,868
going to spend on
these ads.

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13:36:07,935 --> 13:36:08,602
And
sometimes

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13:36:08,669 --> 13:36:10,103
just
repetition

856
13:36:10,170 --> 13:36:10,671
and
bombarding

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13:36:10,737 --> 13:36:11,839
the
state

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13:36:11,905 --> 13:36:13,006
with money
is

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13:36:13,073 --> 13:36:13,574
what you
need

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13:36:13,640 --> 13:36:14,374
in
an

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13:36:14,441 --> 13:36:15,108
election
like

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13:36:15,175 --> 13:36:15,742
this one
for

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13:36:15,809 --> 13:36:17,477
governor.
I

864
13:36:17,744 --> 13:36:18,111
think that
will

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13:36:18,178 --> 13:36:18,679
be
a clue

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13:36:18,745 --> 13:36:19,413
that
we'll see

867
13:36:19,479 --> 13:36:20,848
over the
coming

868
13:36:20,914 --> 13:36:21,682
weeks.
putting money

869
13:36:21,748 --> 13:36:22,649
in this
race and who's

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13:36:22,716 --> 13:36:24,284
not.
That's

871
13:36:24,351 --> 13:36:25,352
all the time
for have

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13:36:25,419 --> 13:36:26,520
today.
Rich colleague

873
13:36:26,587 --> 13:36:28,322
, Rick
Rich

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13:36:28,388 --> 13:36:30,958
Kremer.
That's all the time

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13:36:31,024 --> 13:36:32,860
we have
Rich Kremergue

876
13:36:32,926 --> 13:36:35,329
will be back
week. This has been

877
13:36:35,395 --> 13:36:37,030
inside Wisconsin politics.
sure to follow us

878
13:36:37,097 --> 13:36:38,498
on PBS
wisconsin.org.

879
13:36:38,565 --> 13:36:39,700
WPR.org,
YouTube,

880
13:36:39,766 --> 13:36:40,534
or
geterever you

881
13:36:40,601 --> 13:36:42,269
your
podcasts.