1 13:30:50,851 --> 13:30:52,019 >> Days before the 2 13:30:52,085 --> 13:30:52,753 Democratic primary for governor, 3 13:30:52,819 --> 13:30:53,320 it seems like 4 13:30:53,387 --> 13:30:53,954 two camps 5 13:30:54,021 --> 13:30:55,088 have finally 6 13:30:55,155 --> 13:30:55,722 emerged. Why 7 13:30:55,789 --> 13:30:57,057 is the 8 13:30:57,124 --> 13:30:57,791 establishment united 9 13:30:57,858 --> 13:30:58,692 now and 10 13:30:58,759 --> 13:30:59,326 is it too 11 13:30:59,393 --> 13:31:00,060 little, too 12 13:31:00,127 --> 13:31:01,795 late? This 13 13:31:01,862 --> 13:31:03,997 is politics.isconsin 14 13:31:09,036 --> 13:31:09,837 I'm Shawn 15 13:31:09,903 --> 13:31:10,571 Johnson here with 16 13:31:10,637 --> 13:31:12,239 my colleagues 17 13:31:12,306 --> 13:31:13,073 Anya van Wagtendonk Zac 18 13:31:13,140 --> 13:31:13,841 Schultz and Rich 19 13:31:13,907 --> 13:31:14,641 Kremer Eau 20 13:31:14,708 --> 13:31:15,509 Claire. Hey, everyone. 21 13:31:15,576 --> 13:31:16,210 >> Hello. >> 22 13:31:16,276 --> 13:31:17,044 Hey. >> So 23 13:31:17,110 --> 13:31:18,212 it seems like 24 13:31:18,278 --> 13:31:19,046 just a few weeks 25 13:31:19,112 --> 13:31:19,980 ago on 26 13:31:20,047 --> 13:31:20,681 this wehow, 27 13:31:20,747 --> 13:31:21,381 were all kind 28 13:31:21,448 --> 13:31:22,382 of wondering 29 13:31:22,449 --> 13:31:23,650 where all these 30 13:31:23,717 --> 13:31:24,852 candidates in this big 31 13:31:24,918 --> 13:31:26,053 primary fit, 32 13:31:26,119 --> 13:31:27,221 what were their 33 13:31:27,287 --> 13:31:28,956 political lanes? 34 13:31:29,389 --> 13:31:30,524 It like the 35 13:31:30,591 --> 13:31:31,458 mainstream frontrunner 36 13:31:31,525 --> 13:31:32,492 at that point 37 13:31:32,559 --> 13:31:33,627 was less 38 13:31:33,694 --> 13:31:35,028 clear. Zac, 39 13:31:35,095 --> 13:31:36,230 why is sort 40 13:31:36,296 --> 13:31:37,464 of coming into focus now 41 13:31:37,531 --> 13:31:38,165 and is there 42 13:31:38,232 --> 13:31:39,333 enough time? 43 13:31:39,399 --> 13:31:40,734 >> Well, I think 44 13:31:40,801 --> 13:31:42,870 you have at this primary in 45 13:31:42,936 --> 13:31:43,937 the context of the political mood 46 13:31:44,004 --> 13:31:45,439 for primary 47 13:31:45,506 --> 13:31:46,507 voters, which are that arets 48 13:31:46,573 --> 13:31:47,341 mainly angry 49 13:31:47,407 --> 13:31:48,075 at Donald Trump 50 13:31:48,141 --> 13:31:49,510 and his administration 51 13:31:49,576 --> 13:31:50,077 there. you 52 13:31:50,143 --> 13:31:51,111 look at it in 53 13:31:51,178 --> 13:31:52,646 that frame, the 54 13:31:52,713 --> 13:31:53,680 establishment's Thebad guy. 55 13:31:53,747 --> 13:31:54,581 establishment is national 56 13:31:54,648 --> 13:31:55,282 Democrats who haven't 57 13:31:55,349 --> 13:31:55,849 done enough to stand 58 13:31:55,916 --> 13:31:56,984 up to Trump. 59 13:31:57,050 --> 13:31:57,718 So tapping into 60 13:31:57,784 --> 13:31:58,418 those voters meant 61 13:31:58,485 --> 13:31:59,219 you couldn't 62 13:31:59,286 --> 13:32:00,521 be the establishment 63 13:32:00,587 --> 13:32:01,788 because then you the side 64 13:32:01,855 --> 13:32:02,623 of inertia. 65 13:32:02,689 --> 13:32:04,191 So Francesca Hong clearly 66 13:32:04,258 --> 13:32:05,192 moved to the 67 13:32:05,259 --> 13:32:06,894 left. She going to fight, 68 13:32:06,960 --> 13:32:08,996 fight, otherof thea 69 13:32:09,062 --> 13:32:10,898 Democrats in this outflankying to 70 13:32:10,964 --> 13:32:12,900 her, and they just could not. Even as 71 13:32:12,966 --> 13:32:15,035 late as Crowleyago, David 72 13:32:15,102 --> 13:32:16,970 was not happy to called the establishment. 73 13:32:17,037 --> 13:32:18,805 Mandela Barnes denied that there was any lane 74 13:32:18,872 --> 13:32:20,841 that he put into before he 75 13:32:20,908 --> 13:32:22,943 dropped out of the one wanted 76 13:32:23,010 --> 13:32:24,077 to be pinned as establishment, because that 77 13:32:24,144 --> 13:32:24,678 kind of denied 78 13:32:24,745 --> 13:32:25,512 them access 79 13:32:25,579 --> 13:32:26,747 to the voters that 80 13:32:26,813 --> 13:32:27,981 were changend wanted 81 13:32:28,048 --> 13:32:28,715 that looked like 82 13:32:28,782 --> 13:32:29,650 more of same. 83 13:32:29,716 --> 13:32:30,918 And so it 84 13:32:30,984 --> 13:32:31,952 is a little too 85 13:32:32,019 --> 13:32:33,220 late in the sense 86 13:32:33,287 --> 13:32:35,289 that if there's a of votes that 87 13:32:35,355 --> 13:32:37,224 have already but it is now 88 13:32:37,291 --> 13:32:39,293 clearly going that there has to be a 89 13:32:39,359 --> 13:32:40,327 centralized mentidate of establish 90 13:32:40,394 --> 13:32:42,429 power if they want challenge the lane 91 13:32:42,496 --> 13:32:43,530 that solidified for has 92 13:32:43,597 --> 13:32:44,064 herself. >> And 93 13:32:44,131 --> 13:32:45,098 Ana. You've 94 13:32:45,165 --> 13:32:46,400 covered Crowley. I 95 13:32:46,466 --> 13:32:48,001 mean, it wantstill doesn't 96 13:32:48,068 --> 13:32:48,735 that establishment 97 13:32:48,802 --> 13:32:49,469 label for 98 13:32:49,536 --> 13:32:50,337 a variety of 99 13:32:50,404 --> 13:32:51,138 reasons. Why is 100 13:32:51,205 --> 13:32:53,073 that? >> Yeah, I mean, 101 13:32:53,140 --> 13:32:55,108 part of it what Zac just described 102 13:32:55,175 --> 13:32:56,910 is that there's really lot of anger 103 13:32:56,977 --> 13:32:57,377 towards the establishment 104 13:32:57,444 --> 13:32:58,078 for, I 105 13:32:58,145 --> 13:32:59,346 think what 106 13:32:59,413 --> 13:33:00,547 Democrats feel or some 107 13:33:00,614 --> 13:33:02,015 Democrats feel has been 108 13:33:02,082 --> 13:33:02,783 inertia and sort of not 109 13:33:02,850 --> 13:33:03,283 enough of 110 13:33:03,350 --> 13:33:03,851 a of a 111 13:33:03,917 --> 13:33:04,718 fight and 112 13:33:04,785 --> 13:33:05,419 not wanting the 113 13:33:05,485 --> 13:33:06,086 status quo. 114 13:33:06,153 --> 13:33:07,154 But also David 115 13:33:07,221 --> 13:33:07,955 Crowley has particularly kind 116 13:33:08,021 --> 13:33:09,223 of interesting 117 13:33:09,289 --> 13:33:10,324 personal backstory. He comes 118 13:33:10,390 --> 13:33:11,758 from a 119 13:33:11,825 --> 13:33:13,060 really sort of impoverished, 120 13:33:13,126 --> 13:33:13,727 challenged background 121 13:33:13,794 --> 13:33:14,695 in Milwaukee. 122 13:33:14,761 --> 13:33:15,896 And so up 123 13:33:15,963 --> 13:33:16,830 until, you know, he 124 13:33:16,897 --> 13:33:17,531 dropped out the 125 13:33:17,598 --> 13:33:17,965 first time 126 13:33:18,031 --> 13:33:18,799 in this race, 127 13:33:18,866 --> 13:33:20,000 he was kind of 128 13:33:20,067 --> 13:33:20,501 described as potentially 129 13:33:20,567 --> 13:33:21,635 not electable 130 13:33:21,702 --> 13:33:23,036 because statewide, 131 13:33:23,103 --> 13:33:24,538 there's there's 132 13:33:24,605 --> 13:33:25,572 sometimes, you know, 133 13:33:25,639 --> 13:33:26,974 negative feelings about Milwaukee. 134 13:33:27,040 --> 13:33:27,674 There is, you 135 13:33:27,741 --> 13:33:28,242 know, always 136 13:33:28,308 --> 13:33:28,742 the racial 137 13:33:28,809 --> 13:33:29,843 element of 138 13:33:29,910 --> 13:33:31,445 the fact that never been a Black 139 13:33:31,512 --> 13:33:32,513 man elected to statewide 140 13:33:32,579 --> 13:33:33,313 office in Wisconsin. 141 13:33:33,380 --> 13:33:34,615 So there were all these 142 13:33:34,681 --> 13:33:35,883 questions about him. Then 143 13:33:35,949 --> 13:33:37,951 he comes back with endorsement of Tony 144 13:33:38,018 --> 13:33:40,053 Evers, described he's 145 13:33:40,120 --> 13:33:41,889 as the I've heard fromOne 146 13:33:41,955 --> 13:33:43,790 a lot of well,orters is like, 147 13:33:43,857 --> 13:33:45,993 which one is it? it that he's 148 13:33:46,059 --> 13:33:47,794 two Milwaukee Hee two establishment? 149 13:33:47,861 --> 13:33:49,863 can't be both. Why being held 150 13:33:49,930 --> 13:33:51,832 to the standard? I think he's also 151 13:33:51,899 --> 13:33:53,867 trying to say, you I've really kind 152 13:33:53,934 --> 13:33:55,903 of had to thatget everything 153 13:33:55,969 --> 13:33:57,704 I've ever had. I not handed things. 154 13:33:57,771 --> 13:33:59,606 I am not this kind of gilded 155 13:33:59,673 --> 13:34:00,774 establishment path. That , 156 13:34:00,841 --> 13:34:02,910 I do have some this backing and 157 13:34:02,976 --> 13:34:04,878 the me to win.that will 158 13:34:04,945 --> 13:34:06,847 So again, it's a little bit threading the 159 13:34:06,914 --> 13:34:08,849 needle of I'm a candidate, but I 160 13:34:08,916 --> 13:34:10,817 will also to the things that 161 13:34:10,884 --> 13:34:13,053 you're angry about. You know, I always 162 13:34:13,120 --> 13:34:14,888 worry candidates into camps 163 13:34:14,955 --> 13:34:16,924 like sort oftether this 164 13:34:16,990 --> 13:34:18,859 a media narrative we've created or if 165 13:34:18,926 --> 13:34:21,061 there's something real to it. But I feel 166 13:34:21,128 --> 13:34:22,496 like the came out thisumbers 167 13:34:22,563 --> 13:34:23,430 week, which put 168 13:34:23,497 --> 13:34:24,198 some substance 169 13:34:24,264 --> 13:34:25,332 behind the 170 13:34:25,399 --> 13:34:25,899 idea that there 171 13:34:25,966 --> 13:34:26,767 are these 172 13:34:26,834 --> 13:34:28,368 camps emerging 173 13:34:28,435 --> 13:34:29,603 between Francesca Hong and 174 13:34:29,670 --> 13:34:30,370 David Crowley. 175 13:34:30,437 --> 13:34:31,205 What they 176 13:34:31,271 --> 13:34:33,073 show? >> Well, they 177 13:34:33,907 --> 13:34:35,542 showed couple of things 178 13:34:35,609 --> 13:34:36,343 that were First oftable. 179 13:34:36,410 --> 13:34:37,911 all, Crowley 180 13:34:37,978 --> 13:34:38,512 raised more than 181 13:34:38,579 --> 13:34:39,446 twice as 182 13:34:39,513 --> 13:34:40,047 much money during 183 13:34:40,113 --> 13:34:40,747 the month of 184 13:34:40,814 --> 13:34:41,348 July, most 185 13:34:41,415 --> 13:34:41,882 of the 186 13:34:41,949 --> 13:34:42,916 month, ofost 187 13:34:42,983 --> 13:34:43,483 the month of 188 13:34:43,550 --> 13:34:44,451 July, he 189 13:34:44,518 --> 13:34:46,186 raised $776,000 190 13:34:47,821 --> 13:34:48,856 thereabout, and Huang 191 13:34:48,922 --> 13:34:50,591 brought in around 192 13:34:51,325 --> 13:34:51,892 $339,000. So 193 13:34:51,959 --> 13:34:52,593 that is a 194 13:34:52,659 --> 13:34:53,260 big sign 195 13:34:53,327 --> 13:34:54,127 that, at 196 13:34:54,194 --> 13:34:54,828 least in terms of 197 13:34:54,895 --> 13:34:56,096 money, Crowley's 198 13:34:56,163 --> 13:34:57,297 campaign is getting some 199 13:34:57,364 --> 13:34:57,965 backing. And the 200 13:34:58,031 --> 13:34:58,966 other sign 201 13:34:59,032 --> 13:34:59,800 that caught my attention 202 13:34:59,867 --> 13:35:00,934 was Governor 203 13:35:01,001 --> 13:35:01,668 Tony Evers, 204 13:35:01,735 --> 13:35:02,836 you know, who 205 13:35:02,903 --> 13:35:04,171 endorsed Crowley's 206 13:35:04,238 --> 13:35:04,805 campaign, which 207 13:35:04,872 --> 13:35:05,706 is definitely 208 13:35:05,772 --> 13:35:06,940 being as aned 209 13:35:07,007 --> 13:35:09,576 alternative to Francesca Hong. 210 13:35:09,643 --> 13:35:11,411 He gaveo 211 13:35:11,478 --> 13:35:12,012 $20,000 from 212 13:35:12,079 --> 13:35:12,813 his from 213 13:35:12,880 --> 13:35:13,447 Evers campaign 214 13:35:13,514 --> 13:35:15,082 account to 215 13:35:15,148 --> 13:35:16,149 Crowley's campaign 216 13:35:16,216 --> 13:35:17,251 account. That's not a 217 13:35:17,317 --> 13:35:18,218 lot of butney, 218 13:35:18,285 --> 13:35:19,319 I was talking with 219 13:35:19,386 --> 13:35:20,087 Anthony Chergosky, the 220 13:35:20,153 --> 13:35:21,121 political science 221 13:35:21,188 --> 13:35:22,556 professor over at 222 13:35:22,623 --> 13:35:23,323 UW La Crosse, and 223 13:35:23,390 --> 13:35:23,891 he said, 224 13:35:23,957 --> 13:35:24,525 you know, 225 13:35:24,591 --> 13:35:25,526 it's a lot 226 13:35:25,592 --> 13:35:26,994 of money. $20,000 227 13:35:27,060 --> 13:35:28,161 doesn't buy you a whole lot. 228 13:35:28,228 --> 13:35:28,595 But it 229 13:35:28,662 --> 13:35:29,630 could be a 230 13:35:29,696 --> 13:35:31,098 signal to Evers 231 13:35:31,164 --> 13:35:32,299 donors, Evers 232 13:35:32,366 --> 13:35:32,833 supporters that 233 13:35:32,900 --> 13:35:33,667 I'm not 234 13:35:33,734 --> 13:35:34,368 just saying I 235 13:35:34,434 --> 13:35:35,135 support this, 236 13:35:35,202 --> 13:35:35,802 I'm putting my 237 13:35:35,869 --> 13:35:36,436 money behind 238 13:35:36,503 --> 13:35:38,238 it. So 239 13:35:38,305 --> 13:35:39,540 Chergosky was it'sing 240 13:35:39,606 --> 13:35:40,407 potentially possible 241 13:35:40,474 --> 13:35:41,275 that it'll 242 13:35:41,341 --> 13:35:41,608 open up some 243 13:35:41,675 --> 13:35:43,043 more of that 244 13:35:43,110 --> 13:35:44,144 money from the 245 13:35:44,211 --> 13:35:45,245 more moderate, 246 13:35:45,312 --> 13:35:46,446 quote unquote, 247 13:35:46,513 --> 13:35:47,447 establishment of the 248 13:35:47,514 --> 13:35:48,649 party. >> Yeah, I 249 13:35:48,715 --> 13:35:49,483 mean, I think anecdotally, I 250 13:35:49,550 --> 13:35:50,617 do see the 251 13:35:50,684 --> 13:35:52,119 message being 252 13:35:52,186 --> 13:35:52,953 received as some of 253 13:35:53,020 --> 13:35:53,587 these other 254 13:35:53,654 --> 13:35:54,922 candidates campaign 255 13:35:54,988 --> 13:35:56,557 signs in my 256 13:35:56,623 --> 13:35:57,357 neighborhood innyway 257 13:35:57,424 --> 13:35:58,225 Madison that 258 13:35:58,292 --> 13:35:58,892 we're supporting 259 13:35:58,959 --> 13:36:00,627 people like 260 13:36:00,694 --> 13:36:01,361 Sara example,, for 261 13:36:01,428 --> 13:36:02,095 have have 262 13:36:02,162 --> 13:36:02,863 changed to 263 13:36:02,930 --> 13:36:03,897 David Crowley. 264 13:36:03,964 --> 13:36:05,199 I guess my 265 13:36:05,265 --> 13:36:06,834 question, though, Zac, is, 266 13:36:06,900 --> 13:36:07,501 can Governor 267 13:36:07,568 --> 13:36:09,336 Tony Evers, 268 13:36:09,403 --> 13:36:10,470 popular governor, 269 13:36:10,537 --> 13:36:11,071 popular within the 270 13:36:11,138 --> 13:36:11,805 party, but 271 13:36:11,872 --> 13:36:12,940 a duck 272 13:36:13,006 --> 13:36:14,208 governor this 273 13:36:14,274 --> 13:36:15,008 late in 274 13:36:15,075 --> 13:36:16,510 a primary 275 13:36:16,577 --> 13:36:17,544 campaign kind 276 13:36:17,611 --> 13:36:18,345 of steer 277 13:36:18,412 --> 13:36:19,079 the ship like 278 13:36:19,146 --> 13:36:20,647 this? Can he tell 279 13:36:20,714 --> 13:36:21,648 everybody once at 280 13:36:21,715 --> 13:36:22,616 the last minute, 281 13:36:22,683 --> 13:36:23,317 hey, vote for 282 13:36:23,383 --> 13:36:24,484 this guy. 283 13:36:24,551 --> 13:36:25,485 >> He can try. 284 13:36:25,552 --> 13:36:26,353 But the evidence 285 13:36:26,420 --> 13:36:26,954 throughout history 286 13:36:27,020 --> 13:36:28,222 shows that 287 13:36:28,288 --> 13:36:28,722 endorsements don't do 288 13:36:28,789 --> 13:36:29,957 a lot, 289 13:36:30,023 --> 13:36:30,991 especially late. 290 13:36:31,058 --> 13:36:32,292 Early endorsements 291 13:36:32,359 --> 13:36:33,260 show that a 292 13:36:33,327 --> 13:36:34,361 candidate has viability, 293 13:36:34,428 --> 13:36:35,696 early endorsements from 294 13:36:35,762 --> 13:36:37,030 unions or from old 295 13:36:37,097 --> 13:36:38,465 political people really 296 13:36:38,532 --> 13:36:39,700 surge early in the game 297 13:36:39,766 --> 13:36:40,701 when necessary 298 13:36:40,767 --> 13:36:41,702 for someone like 299 13:36:41,768 --> 13:36:42,536 David Crowley 300 13:36:42,603 --> 13:36:43,804 to have histed 301 13:36:43,871 --> 13:36:45,973 name in a field late in the 302 13:36:46,039 --> 13:36:47,908 game, it has less because people have 303 13:36:47,975 --> 13:36:50,010 made up they're less 304 13:36:50,077 --> 13:36:51,879 likely to be figure. political 305 13:36:51,945 --> 13:36:53,881 They can say, oh, that's nice, you like 306 13:36:53,947 --> 13:36:55,749 him, to makemealready 307 13:36:55,816 --> 13:36:58,051 up my mind, and we've seen it with 308 13:36:58,118 --> 13:37:00,153 the endorsement in theand 309 13:37:00,220 --> 13:37:02,022 Michigan candidate losing. We've 310 13:37:02,089 --> 13:37:03,857 seen it in other where endorsements don't 311 13:37:03,924 --> 13:37:05,726 have the same power maybe they did 312 13:37:05,792 --> 13:37:07,027 20, 30, 40, years ago when 313 13:37:07,094 --> 13:37:07,694 bestowing the next 314 13:37:07,761 --> 13:37:08,662 person as 315 13:37:08,729 --> 13:37:09,396 an establishment figure 316 13:37:09,463 --> 13:37:10,230 meant lot 317 13:37:10,297 --> 13:37:10,497 more than 318 13:37:10,564 --> 13:37:11,965 in today's 319 13:37:12,032 --> 13:37:13,901 politics. to framer wants 320 13:37:13,967 --> 13:37:16,170 it as sort of binary choice, a 321 13:37:16,236 --> 13:37:18,005 two that there are. It's 322 13:37:18,071 --> 13:37:18,805 still other the race. in 323 13:37:18,872 --> 13:37:19,573 Senator Kelda 324 13:37:19,640 --> 13:37:20,841 Roys, former 325 13:37:20,908 --> 13:37:22,242 Department of Administration 326 13:37:22,309 --> 13:37:23,744 Secretary Joel Brennan 327 13:37:23,810 --> 13:37:25,045 Ana, how 328 13:37:25,112 --> 13:37:25,979 do intofit 329 13:37:26,046 --> 13:37:26,747 this? youd, 330 13:37:26,813 --> 13:37:27,748 know, what could 331 13:37:27,814 --> 13:37:28,782 they play? What role 332 13:37:28,849 --> 13:37:30,450 could they play in this 333 13:37:30,517 --> 13:37:32,586 primary? upe do end mean, 334 13:37:32,653 --> 13:37:34,555 kind of talking. And have, for the 335 13:37:34,621 --> 13:37:36,490 last couple about it as almost 336 13:37:36,557 --> 13:37:38,458 a Crowley Hong race. they do 337 13:37:38,525 --> 13:37:39,893 end up kind of getting some some 338 13:37:39,960 --> 13:37:41,261 perhaps shafting in the 339 13:37:41,328 --> 13:37:41,929 conversation from the 340 13:37:41,995 --> 13:37:42,696 media, because 341 13:37:42,763 --> 13:37:43,764 I sensek there's a 342 13:37:43,830 --> 13:37:44,998 that this is Hong's 343 13:37:45,065 --> 13:37:46,633 race to lose is the phrase 344 13:37:46,700 --> 13:37:48,936 that you've used before. And so it's 345 13:37:49,002 --> 13:37:50,737 kind of hung so Crowleyeryone 346 13:37:50,804 --> 13:37:52,406 has been sort of the anointed one. But 347 13:37:52,472 --> 13:37:53,507 then Brennan 348 13:37:53,574 --> 13:37:54,641 are just in the mix 349 13:37:54,708 --> 13:37:56,677 there. And so I think 350 13:37:56,743 --> 13:37:58,679 it really is, when we talk about 351 13:37:58,745 --> 13:38:00,113 establishment versus progressive, the 352 13:38:00,180 --> 13:38:00,814 other candidates just 353 13:38:00,881 --> 13:38:01,882 kind of 354 13:38:01,949 --> 13:38:02,749 get lumped They'reer. 355 13:38:02,816 --> 13:38:03,650 obviously trying to 356 13:38:03,717 --> 13:38:04,918 distinguish themselves. 357 13:38:04,985 --> 13:38:05,919 Again, when we talk 358 13:38:05,986 --> 13:38:06,820 about endorsements, Kelda Roys 359 13:38:06,887 --> 13:38:07,454 t this 360 13:38:07,521 --> 13:38:08,088 really important 361 13:38:08,155 --> 13:38:09,423 teachers union 362 13:38:09,489 --> 13:38:09,890 endorsement didn't seem 363 13:38:09,957 --> 13:38:10,858 to really 364 13:38:10,924 --> 13:38:11,758 shift anything early 365 13:38:11,825 --> 13:38:12,793 on. Whereas, 366 13:38:12,860 --> 13:38:13,527 you know, ten, 367 13:38:13,594 --> 13:38:14,494 15 years ago, 368 13:38:14,561 --> 13:38:16,330 that would been a much 369 13:38:16,396 --> 13:38:18,298 more meaningful again, I think it 370 13:38:18,365 --> 13:38:20,033 just kind of speaks Francesca Hong is 371 13:38:20,100 --> 13:38:21,068 running a unique, 372 13:38:21,134 --> 13:38:21,902 strange race. 373 13:38:21,969 --> 13:38:22,769 She has not raised as 374 13:38:22,836 --> 13:38:24,471 much money, but it doesn't 375 13:38:24,538 --> 13:38:26,139 seem sort ofer. She's 376 13:38:26,206 --> 13:38:26,807 headlines on her 377 13:38:26,874 --> 13:38:28,542 own, sort of 378 13:38:29,109 --> 13:38:29,710 organically through these 379 13:38:29,776 --> 13:38:31,311 paid ways. And 380 13:38:31,378 --> 13:38:32,846 then all these other candidates are 381 13:38:32,913 --> 13:38:34,915 just trying to kind trying to to 382 13:38:34,982 --> 13:38:36,350 catch up. herselfnot putting 383 13:38:36,416 --> 13:38:37,518 on TV, but 384 13:38:37,584 --> 13:38:39,019 other people are. You've had 385 13:38:39,086 --> 13:38:39,786 these Republican groups consistently 386 13:38:39,853 --> 13:38:40,420 putting her in 387 13:38:40,487 --> 13:38:41,154 TV ads, 388 13:38:41,221 --> 13:38:42,089 calling her 389 13:38:42,155 --> 13:38:43,123 liberal ahead of this 390 13:38:43,190 --> 13:38:43,957 primary. She has 391 13:38:44,024 --> 13:38:45,859 spent $0 on 392 13:38:45,926 --> 13:38:46,994 television, which is just unheard of 393 13:38:47,060 --> 13:38:48,061 in any type of 394 13:38:48,128 --> 13:38:48,795 serious race. 395 13:38:48,862 --> 13:38:49,663 And she's not 396 13:38:49,730 --> 13:38:50,397 running just a serious 397 13:38:50,464 --> 13:38:51,298 race. She's running the 398 13:38:51,365 --> 13:38:52,332 leading race. 399 13:38:52,399 --> 13:38:53,333 She's doing 400 13:38:53,400 --> 13:38:54,301 some, you digital 401 13:38:54,368 --> 13:38:55,102 media and things like 402 13:38:55,169 --> 13:38:55,569 this. But a 403 13:38:55,636 --> 13:38:56,737 lot of her 404 13:38:56,803 --> 13:38:57,504 campaign is 405 13:38:57,571 --> 13:38:59,006 very grassroots, very kind 406 13:38:59,072 --> 13:39:00,874 of right,o you're 407 13:39:00,941 --> 13:39:02,943 when we see if see her face 408 13:39:03,010 --> 13:39:05,179 on your TV or on your your YouTube, 409 13:39:05,245 --> 13:39:06,914 it is groups are paying 410 13:39:06,980 --> 13:39:09,149 for ads get her over the 411 13:39:09,216 --> 13:39:11,051 finish line because they think she's beatable. But 412 13:39:11,118 --> 13:39:13,086 meanwhile, she kind of you know, thanks 413 13:39:13,153 --> 13:39:14,988 for for policies.ttention 414 13:39:15,055 --> 13:39:16,890 So our election is happening in a 415 13:39:16,957 --> 13:39:17,824 vacuum. of this kind 416 13:39:17,891 --> 13:39:18,825 wave of 417 13:39:18,892 --> 13:39:20,160 democratic socialists or 418 13:39:20,227 --> 13:39:20,928 democratic socialists 419 13:39:20,994 --> 13:39:21,862 backed candidates around 420 13:39:21,929 --> 13:39:22,996 the country 421 13:39:23,063 --> 13:39:24,431 who have done 422 13:39:24,498 --> 13:39:25,098 exceedingly well 423 13:39:25,165 --> 13:39:25,866 in this year's 424 13:39:25,933 --> 13:39:26,667 politics compared 425 13:39:26,733 --> 13:39:27,668 to previous 426 13:39:27,734 --> 13:39:28,769 years. This 427 13:39:28,836 --> 13:39:30,504 week in Michigan, 428 13:39:31,038 --> 13:39:32,139 Abdul a-Sayed, 429 13:39:32,206 --> 13:39:32,873 progressive candidate 430 13:39:32,940 --> 13:39:34,675 backed by Democratic 431 13:39:34,741 --> 13:39:35,209 Socialist allies, narrowly 432 13:39:35,275 --> 13:39:35,909 won a primary 433 13:39:35,976 --> 13:39:36,677 there for a 434 13:39:36,743 --> 13:39:37,277 U.S. seatate 435 13:39:37,344 --> 13:39:38,812 over an 436 13:39:38,879 --> 13:39:40,347 establishment congresswoman 437 13:39:40,414 --> 13:39:41,348 Ana. guess 438 13:39:41,415 --> 13:39:42,416 everyone is the exact 439 13:39:42,482 --> 13:39:43,884 same this one,from 440 13:39:43,951 --> 13:39:44,785 right? on theone's 441 13:39:44,852 --> 13:39:45,719 same page about what 442 13:39:45,786 --> 13:39:47,254 it means for here. 443 13:39:47,321 --> 13:39:48,956 >> Yeah. You know, politics, everyone just 444 13:39:49,022 --> 13:39:50,324 reads everything in the exact 445 13:39:50,390 --> 13:39:52,125 same. >> So page. 446 13:39:52,192 --> 13:39:53,527 of course, you know, again, this, this 447 13:39:53,594 --> 13:39:55,329 g year ison this 448 13:39:55,395 --> 13:39:57,197 like, what going in? Are 449 13:39:57,264 --> 13:39:58,732 they going in orore progressive lane 450 13:39:58,799 --> 13:40:00,100 not? And so I 451 13:40:00,167 --> 13:40:01,802 think for want to see that 452 13:40:01,869 --> 13:40:02,903 DSA backing and these 453 13:40:02,970 --> 13:40:04,404 kind progressive 454 13:40:04,471 --> 13:40:05,939 leanings are 455 13:40:06,006 --> 13:40:07,207 are aviable in 456 13:40:07,274 --> 13:40:08,876 way that they haven't been before. 457 13:40:08,942 --> 13:40:09,743 El-sayed's victory 458 13:40:09,810 --> 13:40:10,344 is a signal 459 13:40:10,410 --> 13:40:10,878 of that. 460 13:40:10,944 --> 13:40:12,012 But David 461 13:40:12,079 --> 13:40:13,180 Crowley is saying, 462 13:40:13,247 --> 13:40:14,114 actually, the fact that 463 13:40:14,181 --> 13:40:15,315 it close 464 13:40:15,382 --> 13:40:16,116 gives me forpe 465 13:40:16,183 --> 13:40:17,551 my campaign 466 13:40:17,618 --> 13:40:18,285 because he had all 467 13:40:18,352 --> 13:40:19,186 of this 468 13:40:19,253 --> 13:40:20,587 outside funding. He had all of 469 13:40:20,654 --> 13:40:21,388 this attention, 470 13:40:21,455 --> 13:40:22,055 and he still 471 13:40:22,122 --> 13:40:23,123 didn't run away 472 13:40:23,190 --> 13:40:24,992 with And so even though, 473 13:40:25,058 --> 13:40:27,027 again, we see all polling numbers and 474 13:40:27,094 --> 13:40:28,662 things that Hong isat 475 13:40:28,729 --> 13:40:29,396 currently withng away 476 13:40:29,463 --> 13:40:30,097 the primary, 477 13:40:30,163 --> 13:40:31,164 he's saying, we 478 13:40:31,231 --> 13:40:32,132 actually might be surprised on 479 13:40:32,199 --> 13:40:33,066 primary night. 480 13:40:33,133 --> 13:40:34,034 >> Yeah, I mean, Rich, we 481 13:40:34,101 --> 13:40:34,935 haven't reported on 482 13:40:35,002 --> 13:40:35,769 this. And, 483 13:40:35,836 --> 13:40:37,171 you know, we 484 13:40:37,237 --> 13:40:38,272 typically thesetalk about 485 13:40:38,338 --> 13:40:39,072 internal polls. 486 13:40:39,139 --> 13:40:40,007 But this one was 487 13:40:40,073 --> 13:40:40,741 interesting from 488 13:40:40,807 --> 13:40:42,309 the Crowley 489 13:40:42,376 --> 13:40:43,210 campaign theyre 490 13:40:43,277 --> 13:40:44,745 said, hear 491 13:40:44,811 --> 13:40:45,445 me This. 492 13:40:45,512 --> 13:40:47,214 is actually 493 13:40:47,281 --> 13:40:48,415 exactly to hearwant 494 13:40:48,482 --> 13:40:49,816 for Wisconsin's 495 13:40:49,883 --> 13:40:50,584 primary. And 496 13:40:50,651 --> 13:40:51,618 it stepped 497 13:40:51,685 --> 13:40:52,986 through, guess, 498 13:40:53,053 --> 13:40:54,021 all of 499 13:40:54,087 --> 13:40:55,422 the qualifications that you'd 500 13:40:55,489 --> 13:40:56,323 ed to get 501 13:40:56,390 --> 13:40:57,691 there. But big 502 13:40:57,758 --> 13:40:58,792 picture, what 503 13:40:58,859 --> 13:40:59,560 is Crowley's 504 13:40:59,626 --> 13:41:00,594 camp saying in terms 505 13:41:00,661 --> 13:41:01,562 of why Michigan could 506 13:41:01,628 --> 13:41:01,828 mean things 507 13:41:01,895 --> 13:41:03,564 for us? 508 13:41:04,965 --> 13:41:06,700 >> Well, for one, 509 13:41:06,767 --> 13:41:07,367 they're saying 510 13:41:07,434 --> 13:41:08,068 this memo was 511 13:41:08,135 --> 13:41:09,469 saying that 512 13:41:09,536 --> 13:41:10,637 the primary 513 13:41:10,704 --> 13:41:11,338 polling that's 514 13:41:11,405 --> 13:41:12,206 been done 515 13:41:12,272 --> 13:41:13,907 in Wisconsin also 516 13:41:13,974 --> 13:41:15,242 just then't 517 13:41:15,309 --> 13:41:16,777 kind of want tog you 518 13:41:16,844 --> 13:41:17,845 do to really know where 519 13:41:17,911 --> 13:41:18,645 candidates are 520 13:41:18,712 --> 13:41:19,179 at. They said it 521 13:41:19,246 --> 13:41:20,280 was top 522 13:41:20,347 --> 13:41:20,981 line and 523 13:41:21,048 --> 13:41:21,915 not looking 524 13:41:21,982 --> 13:41:22,850 at whoople 525 13:41:22,916 --> 13:41:23,984 actually vote 526 13:41:24,051 --> 13:41:24,685 in sortse 527 13:41:24,751 --> 13:41:25,419 of primaries. 528 13:41:25,485 --> 13:41:26,753 The thing 529 13:41:26,820 --> 13:41:28,488 was that 530 13:41:28,789 --> 13:41:29,323 they saying 531 13:41:29,389 --> 13:41:30,123 that primary 532 13:41:30,190 --> 13:41:30,691 voters, you know, 533 13:41:30,757 --> 13:41:31,558 because of 534 13:41:31,625 --> 13:41:32,960 past numbers 535 13:41:33,026 --> 13:41:34,461 from governor 536 13:41:34,528 --> 13:41:35,762 races before 537 13:41:35,829 --> 13:41:36,563 and Senate 538 13:41:36,630 --> 13:41:37,898 races, etc. 539 13:41:37,965 --> 13:41:38,765 show that 540 13:41:38,832 --> 13:41:39,466 in a primary, 541 13:41:39,533 --> 13:41:40,234 it's generally 542 13:41:40,300 --> 13:41:41,969 the oldest 543 13:41:42,870 --> 13:41:43,403 group, know, 544 13:41:43,470 --> 13:41:44,104 65 and up 545 13:41:44,171 --> 13:41:44,838 that that 546 13:41:44,905 --> 13:41:45,572 vote the most. 547 13:41:45,639 --> 13:41:46,306 And they're 548 13:41:46,373 --> 13:41:47,107 saying Crowley 549 13:41:47,174 --> 13:41:48,075 is candidate 550 13:41:48,141 --> 13:41:48,876 talking to 551 13:41:48,942 --> 13:41:50,043 directly to those 552 13:41:50,110 --> 13:41:51,078 people Soht now. 553 13:41:51,144 --> 13:41:51,678 as you mentioned, 554 13:41:51,745 --> 13:41:52,479 there were a 555 13:41:52,546 --> 13:41:53,580 lot qualifiers 556 13:41:53,647 --> 13:41:54,548 to get to the 557 13:41:54,615 --> 13:41:55,649 part of the memo 558 13:41:55,716 --> 13:41:56,450 from the Crowley camp 559 13:41:56,517 --> 13:41:57,551 that said, 560 13:41:57,618 --> 13:41:58,652 this is essentially a 561 13:41:58,719 --> 13:41:59,553 toss between the 562 13:41:59,620 --> 13:42:01,288 two of them. 563 13:42:01,355 --> 13:42:02,489 So it will 564 13:42:02,556 --> 13:42:03,257 be interesting 565 13:42:03,323 --> 13:42:03,991 because what I've 566 13:42:04,057 --> 13:42:04,525 also noticed 567 13:42:04,591 --> 13:42:05,859 is some 568 13:42:05,926 --> 13:42:07,094 Pollers pollsters 569 13:42:07,160 --> 13:42:08,729 have said 570 13:42:08,795 --> 13:42:09,997 there's this 571 13:42:10,063 --> 13:42:11,198 10 to 13 point 572 13:42:11,265 --> 13:42:12,232 error rate kind of 573 13:42:12,299 --> 13:42:12,966 built primary 574 13:42:13,033 --> 13:42:13,767 polling. mean, 575 13:42:13,834 --> 13:42:14,735 that's what we saw 576 13:42:14,801 --> 13:42:16,136 in Michigan. 577 13:42:16,203 --> 13:42:16,904 El-Sayed was 578 13:42:16,970 --> 13:42:17,504 was leading 579 13:42:17,571 --> 13:42:18,705 by 19 580 13:42:18,772 --> 13:42:19,306 points in one 581 13:42:19,373 --> 13:42:20,040 of these 582 13:42:20,107 --> 13:42:20,707 polls. And 583 13:42:20,774 --> 13:42:21,508 the race 584 13:42:21,575 --> 13:42:22,242 came out 585 13:42:22,309 --> 13:42:23,443 to be 586 13:42:23,510 --> 13:42:24,411 really close. 587 13:42:24,478 --> 13:42:25,145 He won, 588 13:42:25,212 --> 13:42:26,246 but not by 589 13:42:26,313 --> 13:42:26,980 those sorts 590 13:42:27,047 --> 13:42:27,648 of numbers. So 591 13:42:27,714 --> 13:42:28,215 what does that 592 13:42:28,282 --> 13:42:29,149 say for 593 13:42:29,216 --> 13:42:29,850 the polling that 594 13:42:29,917 --> 13:42:30,484 we've been 595 13:42:30,551 --> 13:42:32,186 relying on in 596 13:42:32,252 --> 13:42:33,086 Wisconsin to kind of 597 13:42:33,153 --> 13:42:34,488 get a sense of 598 13:42:34,555 --> 13:42:36,190 who youont and who's, 599 13:42:36,256 --> 13:42:37,691 know, second place, 600 13:42:37,758 --> 13:42:38,492 I don't 601 13:42:38,559 --> 13:42:39,126 know. >> Yeah, 602 13:42:39,193 --> 13:42:40,861 Zac, if 603 13:42:41,195 --> 13:42:42,095 help me walk through 604 13:42:42,162 --> 13:42:43,263 this, you like 605 13:42:43,330 --> 13:42:44,031 basically four youings 606 13:42:44,097 --> 13:42:45,332 had to suppose 607 13:42:45,399 --> 13:42:46,533 one was that the 608 13:42:46,600 --> 13:42:47,301 primary electorate is not 609 13:42:47,367 --> 13:42:47,901 what the polls 610 13:42:47,968 --> 13:42:49,169 show. It's more like 611 13:42:49,236 --> 13:42:51,138 2018, that those are 612 13:42:51,605 --> 13:42:53,440 older voters gohey're going to 613 13:42:53,507 --> 13:42:55,509 for David Crowley and that if you really 614 13:42:55,576 --> 13:42:57,477 boil it race,o candidate 615 13:42:57,544 --> 13:42:59,046 which is not, he even better. And 616 13:42:59,112 --> 13:42:59,947 when you inform 617 13:43:00,013 --> 13:43:01,181 them of 618 13:43:01,248 --> 13:43:02,249 David Crowley 619 13:43:02,316 --> 13:43:02,950 that his numbers 620 13:43:03,016 --> 13:43:03,717 get even better 621 13:43:03,784 --> 13:43:05,052 and put over 622 13:43:05,118 --> 13:43:07,120 the top. there's a lot of 623 13:43:07,187 --> 13:43:07,955 assumptions built into this best case 624 13:43:08,021 --> 13:43:08,555 scenario that 625 13:43:08,622 --> 13:43:09,456 even then 626 13:43:09,523 --> 13:43:10,190 only puts it as 627 13:43:10,257 --> 13:43:11,325 a toss up for 628 13:43:11,391 --> 13:43:12,326 David butowley, 629 13:43:12,392 --> 13:43:13,026 that is the 630 13:43:13,093 --> 13:43:13,760 odds that he's 631 13:43:13,827 --> 13:43:14,528 got against him 632 13:43:14,595 --> 13:43:15,062 in this scenario. 633 13:43:15,128 --> 13:43:15,796 Given all 634 13:43:15,863 --> 13:43:16,797 that we know about 635 13:43:16,864 --> 13:43:17,731 the campaigns 636 13:43:17,798 --> 13:43:18,332 as they stand 637 13:43:18,398 --> 13:43:19,266 right now, 638 13:43:19,333 --> 13:43:20,701 and things areat 639 13:43:20,767 --> 13:43:21,668 different from Michigan Michigan didn't have 640 13:43:21,735 --> 13:43:22,803 multiple candidates 641 13:43:22,870 --> 13:43:23,504 that already 642 13:43:23,570 --> 13:43:24,538 secured absentee 643 13:43:24,605 --> 13:43:25,272 votes and then 644 13:43:25,339 --> 13:43:26,240 dropped out of the 645 13:43:26,306 --> 13:43:27,007 race. We 646 13:43:27,074 --> 13:43:27,708 don't know how 647 13:43:27,774 --> 13:43:28,542 many votes 648 13:43:28,609 --> 13:43:29,409 have already been 649 13:43:29,476 --> 13:43:31,912 cast for Sara Rodriguez for 650 13:43:31,979 --> 13:43:33,847 Mandela are someere I 651 13:43:33,914 --> 13:43:35,983 because I've voters who said I 652 13:43:36,049 --> 13:43:37,885 already voted for them. Those votes aren't coming 653 13:43:37,951 --> 13:43:39,953 back. They are gone. will not impact 654 13:43:40,020 --> 13:43:41,555 the winner. differencen of 655 13:43:41,622 --> 13:43:42,890 and questions of, hey, 656 13:43:42,956 --> 13:43:44,958 would that have made difference if they 657 13:43:45,025 --> 13:43:46,894 had those votersearlier, 658 13:43:46,960 --> 13:43:48,962 had waited, or they could have spoiled 659 13:43:49,029 --> 13:43:50,797 those ballots and recast them? Those are all 660 13:43:50,864 --> 13:43:52,799 things thisot ofknow. 661 13:43:52,866 --> 13:43:54,768 is in hindsight. It'll all make a lot 662 13:43:54,835 --> 13:43:57,037 more sense. it's a lot of 663 13:43:57,104 --> 13:43:58,872 projection and it's Crowley saying, hey, don't count 664 13:43:58,939 --> 13:44:00,040 me runner awayjust 665 13:44:00,107 --> 13:44:01,141 to because she's 666 13:44:01,208 --> 13:44:02,509 in right now. 667 13:44:02,576 --> 13:44:03,744 I have a legitimate 668 13:44:03,810 --> 13:44:05,279 chance. So if believe this 669 13:44:05,345 --> 13:44:07,047 talk about establishment and I'm the 670 13:44:07,114 --> 13:44:07,881 man, then vote for 671 13:44:07,948 --> 13:44:08,782 me. >> All 672 13:44:08,849 --> 13:44:09,883 right? As 673 13:44:09,950 --> 13:44:11,084 our election 674 13:44:11,151 --> 13:44:12,119 becomes the bigxt 675 13:44:12,186 --> 13:44:13,187 thing in U.S. politics, 676 13:44:13,253 --> 13:44:14,721 we're seeing more national 677 13:44:14,788 --> 13:44:15,789 attention and scrutiny 678 13:44:15,856 --> 13:44:17,124 of Francesca Hong. That 679 13:44:17,191 --> 13:44:17,758 scrutiny of her 680 13:44:17,824 --> 13:44:18,458 social media 681 13:44:18,525 --> 13:44:19,726 feed, old 682 13:44:19,793 --> 13:44:20,761 tweets, including one 683 13:44:20,827 --> 13:44:21,828 where talked 684 13:44:21,895 --> 13:44:23,230 about Thanksgiving 685 13:44:23,297 --> 13:44:23,997 in a since 686 13:44:24,064 --> 13:44:24,698 deleted tweet from 687 13:44:24,765 --> 13:44:25,365 2020, she said, 688 13:44:25,432 --> 13:44:27,034 quote, Cancel 689 13:44:27,100 --> 13:44:27,568 Thanksgiving should have ne 690 13:44:27,634 --> 13:44:28,569 this in 16, 20, 691 13:44:28,635 --> 13:44:30,003 21, 1621. If 692 13:44:30,070 --> 13:44:30,637 it takes 693 13:44:30,704 --> 13:44:31,605 a worldwide 694 13:44:31,672 --> 13:44:32,539 pandemic for tos 695 13:44:32,606 --> 13:44:33,473 realize we 696 13:44:33,540 --> 13:44:34,842 should stop celebrating 697 13:44:34,908 --> 13:44:35,576 colonialism thed 698 13:44:35,642 --> 13:44:36,210 original super spreader 699 13:44:36,276 --> 13:44:37,277 event that killed 700 13:44:37,344 --> 13:44:38,312 indigenous folks and 701 13:44:38,378 --> 13:44:38,979 women, so 702 13:44:39,046 --> 13:44:40,447 be it. 703 13:44:40,514 --> 13:44:41,281 An open 704 13:44:41,348 --> 13:44:41,882 question the 705 13:44:41,949 --> 13:44:42,916 group here. 706 13:44:42,983 --> 13:44:43,750 Is this 707 13:44:43,817 --> 13:44:45,185 tweet relevant 708 13:44:45,252 --> 13:44:46,920 in 2026? 709 13:44:47,688 --> 13:44:48,722 >> It is, and 710 13:44:48,789 --> 13:44:49,122 that areople 711 13:44:49,189 --> 13:44:49,857 talking about 712 13:44:49,923 --> 13:44:50,724 it. we're 713 13:44:50,791 --> 13:44:51,358 talking about it 714 13:44:51,425 --> 13:44:52,059 here. It's made 715 13:44:52,125 --> 13:44:52,826 national news, 716 13:44:52,893 --> 13:44:53,493 national headlines, 717 13:44:53,560 --> 13:44:54,528 and you know, who 718 13:44:54,595 --> 13:44:56,129 loves to about this? It's 719 13:44:56,196 --> 13:44:57,197 the Tom Tiffany.n 720 13:44:57,264 --> 13:44:58,232 So I 721 13:44:58,298 --> 13:44:59,032 think the context that 722 13:44:59,099 --> 13:44:59,967 can be 723 13:45:00,033 --> 13:45:00,901 added to this tweet 724 13:45:00,968 --> 13:45:02,202 is 2020 is 725 13:45:02,269 --> 13:45:03,237 when Hongncesca 726 13:45:03,303 --> 13:45:03,804 was first running 727 13:45:03,871 --> 13:45:04,671 for the 728 13:45:04,738 --> 13:45:05,973 assembly, running 729 13:45:06,039 --> 13:45:06,874 in a very 730 13:45:06,940 --> 13:45:07,674 liberal district 731 13:45:07,741 --> 13:45:09,243 in Madison in an open 732 13:45:09,309 --> 13:45:10,777 primary. So 733 13:45:10,844 --> 13:45:11,545 everything she was 734 13:45:11,612 --> 13:45:12,746 saying, whether she 735 13:45:12,813 --> 13:45:13,680 believes it now or wants 736 13:45:13,747 --> 13:45:14,214 to talk about it 737 13:45:14,281 --> 13:45:15,082 now, she 738 13:45:15,148 --> 13:45:15,782 was saying to 739 13:45:15,849 --> 13:45:17,284 a liberal 740 13:45:17,351 --> 13:45:18,952 primary audience in 741 13:45:19,019 --> 13:45:20,420 Madison in 742 13:45:20,487 --> 13:45:21,922 2020, coming out of the George 743 13:45:21,989 --> 13:45:22,990 Floyd protests, 744 13:45:23,056 --> 13:45:23,724 coming ofut 745 13:45:23,790 --> 13:45:24,825 Covid, all the 746 13:45:24,892 --> 13:45:25,526 situations around 747 13:45:25,592 --> 13:45:26,460 that, you 748 13:45:26,527 --> 13:45:27,327 put it in herntext, 749 13:45:27,394 --> 13:45:28,095 tweets look like a 750 13:45:28,161 --> 13:45:29,630 candidate running 751 13:45:29,696 --> 13:45:30,564 for that at that 752 13:45:30,631 --> 13:45:31,298 time, fact 753 13:45:31,365 --> 13:45:32,566 that she is a 754 13:45:32,633 --> 13:45:33,934 different candidate for a different 755 13:45:34,001 --> 13:45:34,601 office today, 756 13:45:34,668 --> 13:45:35,402 we've seen this from 757 13:45:35,469 --> 13:45:36,570 lots of politicians who 758 13:45:36,637 --> 13:45:37,538 say, let's not talk 759 13:45:37,604 --> 13:45:39,439 about that. That was my 760 13:45:39,506 --> 13:45:40,908 race for racet was my. 761 13:45:40,974 --> 13:45:41,275 for assembly. 762 13:45:41,341 --> 13:45:42,109 Not every 763 13:45:42,176 --> 13:45:42,843 politician will 764 13:45:42,910 --> 13:45:44,077 always love the 765 13:45:44,144 --> 13:45:45,045 stuff dug up from 766 13:45:45,112 --> 13:45:46,780 past votes or past 767 13:45:47,347 --> 13:45:49,149 campaigns, withe to deal 768 13:45:49,216 --> 13:45:51,251 it. And so that what her campaign 769 13:45:51,318 --> 13:45:53,086 is having >> Yeah,ow. 770 13:45:53,153 --> 13:45:55,155 I guess. mean, I think about 771 13:45:55,222 --> 13:45:57,457 politics as sort of customer is 772 13:45:57,524 --> 13:45:59,293 always right being the voter, 773 13:45:59,359 --> 13:46:01,195 where even right, think they're 774 13:46:01,261 --> 13:46:03,063 you're in the business as a candidate of 775 13:46:03,130 --> 13:46:04,498 winning votes. And so enough 776 13:46:04,565 --> 13:46:05,265 people want to pay 777 13:46:05,332 --> 13:46:06,567 attention to a tweet about 778 13:46:06,633 --> 13:46:07,234 Thanksgiving, you 779 13:46:07,301 --> 13:46:07,868 got a choice 780 13:46:07,935 --> 13:46:09,002 to make 781 13:46:09,069 --> 13:46:09,903 rich. Do 782 13:46:09,970 --> 13:46:10,370 you kind of 783 13:46:10,437 --> 13:46:11,104 hope it 784 13:46:11,171 --> 13:46:12,039 moves on to the 785 13:46:12,105 --> 13:46:12,906 next news 786 13:46:12,973 --> 13:46:13,807 cycle or 787 13:46:13,874 --> 13:46:14,474 you say something 788 13:46:14,541 --> 13:46:15,909 about it? How is 789 13:46:15,976 --> 13:46:18,045 Francesca it? been handling 790 13:46:18,111 --> 13:46:19,179 >> Well, to me, 791 13:46:19,246 --> 13:46:19,780 it likems 792 13:46:19,847 --> 13:46:20,614 she's tried 793 13:46:20,681 --> 13:46:22,349 both. She's 794 13:46:23,550 --> 13:46:24,318 initially she was 795 13:46:24,384 --> 13:46:24,985 saying things like, 796 13:46:25,052 --> 13:46:26,019 well, Republicans 797 13:46:26,086 --> 13:46:27,287 want to focus on 798 13:46:27,354 --> 13:46:28,121 that sort you stuff, 799 13:46:28,188 --> 13:46:28,989 know, we're 800 13:46:29,056 --> 13:46:30,190 busy reaching out to 801 13:46:30,257 --> 13:46:31,091 voters and 802 13:46:31,158 --> 13:46:32,259 building up our 803 13:46:32,326 --> 13:46:33,160 support. ET cetera. ET 804 13:46:33,227 --> 13:46:33,861 cetera. So she 805 13:46:33,927 --> 13:46:34,661 was kind of 806 13:46:34,728 --> 13:46:35,295 waving it off. 807 13:46:35,362 --> 13:46:35,929 But this 808 13:46:35,996 --> 13:46:36,730 week we 809 13:46:36,797 --> 13:46:38,465 saw hung 810 13:46:38,866 --> 13:46:39,933 kind of 811 13:46:40,000 --> 13:46:41,468 backtrack on 812 13:46:41,535 --> 13:46:43,070 that tweet in 813 13:46:43,136 --> 13:46:43,937 particular whole a 814 13:46:44,004 --> 13:46:44,938 other slew 815 13:46:45,005 --> 13:46:46,106 of tweets 816 13:46:46,173 --> 13:46:46,874 calling for 817 13:46:46,940 --> 13:46:47,474 from the past, 818 13:46:47,541 --> 13:46:49,142 calling for 819 13:46:49,209 --> 13:46:50,444 abolishing police, 820 13:46:50,511 --> 13:46:51,211 abolishing Ice, abolishing the 821 13:46:51,278 --> 13:46:52,379 US ETenate. 822 13:46:52,446 --> 13:46:53,213 cetera. ET cetera. 823 13:46:53,280 --> 13:46:54,414 So but 824 13:46:54,481 --> 13:46:55,148 with regard to 825 13:46:55,215 --> 13:46:55,782 the Thanksgiving 826 13:46:55,849 --> 13:46:56,450 tweet this 827 13:46:56,517 --> 13:46:58,318 week, she 828 13:46:58,385 --> 13:46:59,353 said to 829 13:46:59,419 --> 13:47:01,088 CNN, she 830 13:47:01,388 --> 13:47:01,989 didn't really say 831 13:47:02,055 --> 13:47:02,956 whether not she 832 13:47:03,023 --> 13:47:03,924 still supports, 833 13:47:03,991 --> 13:47:05,492 you know, canceling 834 13:47:05,559 --> 13:47:06,260 Thanksgiving. She said it's 835 13:47:06,326 --> 13:47:07,094 a that 836 13:47:07,160 --> 13:47:07,494 holiday brings a 837 13:47:07,561 --> 13:47:07,961 lot of 838 13:47:08,028 --> 13:47:08,495 pain to 839 13:47:08,562 --> 13:47:09,663 a lot of 840 13:47:09,730 --> 13:47:11,732 communities. But she 841 13:47:11,798 --> 13:47:12,432 stopped short 842 13:47:12,499 --> 13:47:13,567 of of agiving 843 13:47:13,634 --> 13:47:14,234 definitive answer. 844 13:47:14,301 --> 13:47:15,002 And onn 845 13:47:15,068 --> 13:47:15,569 Wednesday, she was 846 13:47:15,636 --> 13:47:16,803 asked by 847 13:47:16,870 --> 13:47:18,105 Politico about 848 13:47:18,172 --> 13:47:18,872 that tweet and 849 13:47:18,939 --> 13:47:19,506 she said, or 850 13:47:19,573 --> 13:47:20,407 they they 851 13:47:20,474 --> 13:47:21,208 asked what her 852 13:47:21,275 --> 13:47:22,075 favorite holiday is, and 853 13:47:22,142 --> 13:47:23,477 she said, 854 13:47:23,544 --> 13:47:24,611 Thanksgiving. said, I 855 13:47:24,678 --> 13:47:26,413 don't want to it. I love it. 856 13:47:26,480 --> 13:47:28,215 So that's 857 13:47:28,282 --> 13:47:29,016 obviously kind 858 13:47:29,082 --> 13:47:30,417 of backtracking. 859 13:47:30,484 --> 13:47:31,051 Whether that's 860 13:47:31,118 --> 13:47:31,718 because she 861 13:47:31,785 --> 13:47:32,519 saw this 862 13:47:32,586 --> 13:47:33,554 as a liability 863 13:47:33,620 --> 13:47:35,355 or she's 864 13:47:35,422 --> 13:47:36,857 trying to put it to rest, I 865 13:47:36,924 --> 13:47:37,658 don't know. But that 866 13:47:37,724 --> 13:47:38,292 and also 867 13:47:38,358 --> 13:47:38,659 she said, 868 13:47:38,725 --> 13:47:39,326 you know, 869 13:47:39,393 --> 13:47:40,194 in the 870 13:47:40,260 --> 13:47:41,295 televised debate 871 13:47:41,361 --> 13:47:42,262 not ago and 872 13:47:42,329 --> 13:47:43,063 in these media 873 13:47:43,130 --> 13:47:44,064 interviews at the 874 13:47:44,131 --> 13:47:45,165 national shel, 875 13:47:45,232 --> 13:47:46,200 said, well, 876 13:47:46,266 --> 13:47:47,434 I as governor 877 13:47:47,501 --> 13:47:48,769 can't defund the 878 13:47:48,836 --> 13:47:49,803 police. And, 879 13:47:49,870 --> 13:47:50,871 you know, 880 13:47:50,938 --> 13:47:52,005 she essentially walked 881 13:47:52,072 --> 13:47:53,273 back those as 882 13:47:53,340 --> 13:47:54,641 well. So reallybeen 883 13:47:54,708 --> 13:47:55,242 interesting to see, 884 13:47:55,309 --> 13:47:57,044 not surprising 885 13:47:57,110 --> 13:47:58,111 for a inerson 886 13:47:58,178 --> 13:47:59,513 that position, but 887 13:47:59,580 --> 13:48:00,981 always notable. 888 13:48:01,048 --> 13:48:01,782 >> And, you 889 13:48:01,849 --> 13:48:02,516 know, alluded to 890 13:48:02,583 --> 13:48:03,717 the office she's 891 13:48:03,784 --> 13:48:05,252 running for now. You get a 892 13:48:05,319 --> 13:48:05,986 different flavor of tweet 893 13:48:06,053 --> 13:48:06,653 from her or 894 13:48:06,720 --> 13:48:07,421 I guess a 895 13:48:07,487 --> 13:48:07,988 post on 896 13:48:08,055 --> 13:48:08,922 X now 897 13:48:08,989 --> 13:48:09,690 than you did 898 13:48:09,756 --> 13:48:11,458 then. She's made 899 13:48:11,525 --> 13:48:12,159 recent posts 900 13:48:12,226 --> 13:48:12,860 about Thanksgiving, 901 13:48:12,926 --> 13:48:13,861 this one 902 13:48:13,927 --> 13:48:14,595 from last 903 13:48:14,661 --> 13:48:15,696 year where 904 13:48:15,762 --> 13:48:16,964 she talked 905 13:48:17,030 --> 13:48:18,699 about thepporting 906 13:48:18,765 --> 13:48:19,600 Goodman Center in 907 13:48:19,666 --> 13:48:20,334 a fund 908 13:48:20,400 --> 13:48:22,069 drive. A 909 13:48:22,436 --> 13:48:22,970 crucial there 910 13:48:23,036 --> 13:48:23,570 she is dressed 911 13:48:23,637 --> 13:48:24,004 up in 912 13:48:24,071 --> 13:48:24,972 one of those 913 13:48:25,038 --> 13:48:26,139 pictures as a 914 13:48:26,206 --> 13:48:27,207 turkey. So 915 13:48:27,274 --> 13:48:28,075 seems like 916 13:48:28,141 --> 13:48:28,775 fully embracing 917 13:48:28,842 --> 13:48:29,443 the Thanksgiving 918 13:48:29,510 --> 13:48:30,177 holiday right 919 13:48:30,244 --> 13:48:31,612 now. Anya, we 920 13:48:31,678 --> 13:48:32,346 cannot talk about 921 13:48:32,412 --> 13:48:33,247 social media 922 13:48:33,313 --> 13:48:34,948 without mentioning 923 13:48:35,015 --> 13:48:36,316 Dirt McGirk social 924 13:48:36,383 --> 13:48:37,117 media Rununt. 925 13:48:37,184 --> 13:48:38,452 by David Crowley 926 13:48:38,519 --> 13:48:40,120 circa 2010. 927 13:48:40,187 --> 13:48:41,288 Has his 928 13:48:41,355 --> 13:48:42,556 social media past come back to 929 13:48:42,623 --> 13:48:44,224 haunt him? mean, it was kind 930 13:48:44,291 --> 13:48:45,526 of first 931 13:48:45,592 --> 13:48:47,261 like, dump that came 932 13:48:47,327 --> 13:48:48,328 out after he 933 13:48:48,395 --> 13:48:49,229 reentered the race. And so 934 13:48:49,296 --> 13:48:50,197 these are 935 13:48:50,264 --> 13:48:50,864 old you mentioned, 936 13:48:50,931 --> 13:48:51,565 from about 937 13:48:51,632 --> 13:48:52,332 15 years 938 13:48:52,399 --> 13:48:53,834 ago, very 939 13:48:53,901 --> 13:48:54,801 reflective of 940 13:48:54,868 --> 13:48:55,769 a 24 941 13:48:55,836 --> 13:48:57,638 year sort of out 942 13:48:57,704 --> 13:48:59,506 in the world where new technology 943 13:48:59,573 --> 13:49:00,908 you get to just announce every single 944 13:49:00,974 --> 13:49:02,543 t ashat you're having 945 13:49:02,609 --> 13:49:04,478 you're having it. If all recall what 946 13:49:04,545 --> 13:49:06,446 Twitter was the year 2010. So 947 13:49:06,513 --> 13:49:08,549 that was a short I don'tycle. 948 13:49:08,615 --> 13:49:10,417 think it was a fairly significant one. He 949 13:49:10,484 --> 13:49:11,952 certainly said, you know, was a 950 13:49:12,019 --> 13:49:12,786 knucklehead. I don't 951 13:49:12,853 --> 13:49:14,087 stand by some of the more 952 13:49:14,154 --> 13:49:14,922 problematic parts 953 13:49:14,988 --> 13:49:15,756 of those tweets. And, 954 13:49:15,822 --> 13:49:16,790 and I do kind 955 13:49:16,857 --> 13:49:18,392 of, you devil'sto play 956 13:49:18,458 --> 13:49:19,159 advocate about how voters 957 13:49:19,226 --> 13:49:20,093 feel about 958 13:49:20,160 --> 13:49:20,894 tweets. I have 959 13:49:20,961 --> 13:49:21,995 this question of 960 13:49:22,062 --> 13:49:23,163 whether, you know, 961 13:49:23,230 --> 13:49:24,431 voters sort of see 962 13:49:24,498 --> 13:49:26,633 what they want see in these. If 963 13:49:26,700 --> 13:49:28,435 you Crowley, you can 964 13:49:28,502 --> 13:49:30,304 point to as a reason 965 13:49:30,571 --> 13:49:32,306 why you don't trust him like him or 966 13:49:32,372 --> 13:49:33,273 approve of his character. 967 13:49:33,340 --> 13:49:34,174 And with Fran 968 13:49:34,241 --> 13:49:34,775 Hong, if you 969 13:49:34,842 --> 13:49:35,876 do like 970 13:49:35,943 --> 13:49:36,777 them, then you it's 971 13:49:36,844 --> 13:49:37,477 very easy to kind 972 13:49:37,544 --> 13:49:38,579 of dismiss 973 13:49:38,645 --> 13:49:40,113 it. I saw some Fran Hong's 974 13:49:40,180 --> 13:49:40,581 supporters pulling out 975 13:49:40,647 --> 13:49:41,381 other times 976 13:49:41,448 --> 13:49:42,349 that she has knocked 977 13:49:42,416 --> 13:49:43,083 other holidays. 978 13:49:43,150 --> 13:49:44,284 She's about how in 979 13:49:44,351 --> 13:49:45,319 restaurants she 980 13:49:45,385 --> 13:49:46,019 wants to kick everyone who 981 13:49:46,086 --> 13:49:46,854 shows up in 982 13:49:46,920 --> 13:49:47,921 Halloween costumes, 983 13:49:47,988 --> 13:49:48,689 that hates 984 13:49:48,755 --> 13:49:49,256 Valentine's like, 985 13:49:49,323 --> 13:49:49,790 working those 986 13:49:49,857 --> 13:49:50,858 shifts in 987 13:49:50,924 --> 13:49:51,525 restaurants. So 988 13:49:51,592 --> 13:49:51,959 making more of 989 13:49:52,025 --> 13:49:52,726 a joke 990 13:49:52,793 --> 13:49:53,827 about it that this is 991 13:49:53,894 --> 13:49:54,962 just more about 992 13:49:55,028 --> 13:49:56,396 their personality and their 993 13:49:56,463 --> 13:49:57,664 character. And I think, you 994 13:49:57,731 --> 13:49:58,565 know, we've spent 995 13:49:58,632 --> 13:49:59,266 ten, 15 996 13:49:59,333 --> 13:50:00,634 years now 997 13:50:00,701 --> 13:50:01,535 having so much exposure 998 13:50:01,602 --> 13:50:02,669 to politicians 999 13:50:02,736 --> 13:50:03,337 through social 1000 13:50:03,403 --> 13:50:04,404 media way a 1001 13:50:04,471 --> 13:50:04,905 that they don't 1002 13:50:04,972 --> 13:50:05,906 need be mediated 1003 13:50:05,973 --> 13:50:06,673 through kind of 1004 13:50:06,740 --> 13:50:07,708 traditional media, 1005 13:50:07,774 --> 13:50:09,510 that I lot of voters are 1006 13:50:09,576 --> 13:50:10,811 kind of used to these more 1007 13:50:10,878 --> 13:50:12,479 human sides. alsoean, we 1008 13:50:12,546 --> 13:50:13,480 saw with Graham Plattner 1009 13:50:13,547 --> 13:50:14,515 what I would describe 1010 13:50:14,581 --> 13:50:16,083 as like really ofd 1011 13:50:16,149 --> 13:50:16,984 horrible mediaal 1012 13:50:17,050 --> 13:50:18,719 posts about 1013 13:50:19,386 --> 13:50:20,254 rape victims and 1014 13:50:20,320 --> 13:50:21,388 other things 1015 13:50:21,455 --> 13:50:22,022 that voters really 1016 13:50:22,089 --> 13:50:22,923 kind of 1017 13:50:22,990 --> 13:50:23,490 excused because they 1018 13:50:23,557 --> 13:50:24,258 wanted to 1019 13:50:24,324 --> 13:50:24,992 see the best in 1020 13:50:25,058 --> 13:50:25,726 this politician 1021 13:50:25,792 --> 13:50:26,827 that they really 1022 13:50:26,894 --> 13:50:27,494 admired and supported 1023 13:50:27,561 --> 13:50:28,495 his policies. 1024 13:50:28,562 --> 13:50:29,196 And so I 1025 13:50:29,263 --> 13:50:29,963 think ato 1026 13:50:30,030 --> 13:50:31,632 certain going to we're 1027 13:50:31,698 --> 13:50:32,466 see how important kinds of things 1028 13:50:32,533 --> 13:50:33,667 are. And I 1029 13:50:33,734 --> 13:50:34,301 don't really 1030 13:50:34,368 --> 13:50:35,736 know itt 1031 13:50:35,802 --> 13:50:36,436 moves your 1032 13:50:36,503 --> 13:50:37,437 average voter 1033 13:50:37,504 --> 13:50:38,305 other than to 1034 13:50:38,372 --> 13:50:39,273 sort of put them 1035 13:50:39,339 --> 13:50:40,707 in the camp that 1036 13:50:40,774 --> 13:50:42,509 they might have been to either way. 1037 13:50:42,576 --> 13:50:44,711 >> Yeah. In a, whenan era 1038 13:50:44,778 --> 13:50:46,813 the president has been known to say some 1039 13:50:46,880 --> 13:50:48,582 stuff on >> To govern through. 1040 13:50:48,649 --> 13:50:50,817 >> Social media. >> These are 1041 13:50:50,884 --> 13:50:52,686 sort of tame That'srison in Wisconsin. 1042 13:50:52,753 --> 13:50:54,521 all the time we for today. Thanks 1043 13:50:54,588 --> 13:50:55,889 for has beens. 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