1 13:39:15,255 --> 13:39:15,522 Rules in terms of 2 13:39:15,589 --> 13:39:16,356 of how long 3 13:39:16,423 --> 13:39:17,424 they can speak the 4 13:39:17,491 --> 13:39:19,159 same audience. 5 13:39:21,061 --> 13:39:22,729 Okay. >> What 6 13:39:24,331 --> 13:39:25,465 is the end of that 7 13:39:25,532 --> 13:39:26,300 question? >> I just 8 13:39:26,366 --> 13:39:27,901 I like that.le 9 13:39:27,968 --> 13:39:29,169 >> Perfect. >> 17.5 10 13:39:29,236 --> 13:39:30,370 minutes. >> Awesome. AM I supposed 11 13:39:30,437 --> 13:39:31,104 not say, hey, 12 13:39:31,171 --> 13:39:32,840 Shawn, don't 13 13:39:33,540 --> 13:39:35,142 know what supposed to do. 14 13:39:35,209 --> 13:39:37,311 >> I think you Ican let it. 15 13:39:37,377 --> 13:39:39,246 would yield to the control room if they 16 13:39:39,313 --> 13:39:41,148 have, was.hink there 17 13:39:41,215 --> 13:39:43,283 You could just nod, what? 18 13:39:43,350 --> 13:39:44,918 the nod. That's that meant. Okay. I 19 13:39:44,985 --> 13:39:46,887 wasn't sure. I mean, 20 13:39:48,388 --> 13:39:49,223 honestly, we 21 13:39:49,289 --> 13:39:50,524 could just do that way 22 13:39:50,591 --> 13:39:52,392 forever, as as I'm concerned. 23 13:39:52,459 --> 13:39:54,161 >> The question is, was what was 24 13:39:54,228 --> 13:39:56,363 it like? >> Somewhere. 25 13:40:09,176 --> 13:40:10,644 >> Democrats running for governor have less than 26 13:40:10,711 --> 13:40:11,778 two stand to 27 13:40:11,845 --> 13:40:12,846 out in a field. 28 13:40:12,913 --> 13:40:13,580 How'd they do 29 13:40:13,647 --> 13:40:14,781 that at the state 30 13:40:14,848 --> 13:40:15,916 party And weion? 31 13:40:15,983 --> 13:40:16,750 run developments 32 13:40:16,817 --> 13:40:17,518 and lawsuits 33 13:40:17,584 --> 13:40:18,218 involving voter 34 13:40:18,285 --> 13:40:19,253 rolls, legislative 35 13:40:19,319 --> 13:40:20,020 maps, and 36 13:40:20,087 --> 13:40:21,321 false electors. 37 13:40:21,388 --> 13:40:23,056 This is 38 13:40:24,091 --> 13:40:27,661 inside Wisconsin politics. I'm Shawn 39 13:40:28,762 --> 13:40:30,430 Johnson here with 40 13:40:30,898 --> 13:40:32,032 Anya van Wagtendonk and Rich Kremer 41 13:40:32,099 --> 13:40:33,000 in Eau Hey,ire. 42 13:40:33,066 --> 13:40:33,734 gang. Hey, 43 13:40:33,800 --> 13:40:35,469 Shawn. >> So 44 13:40:35,736 --> 13:40:37,304 I think say's fair to 45 13:40:37,371 --> 13:40:38,372 that this primary campaign 46 13:40:38,438 --> 13:40:39,373 is not going to 47 13:40:39,439 --> 13:40:40,507 be or 48 13:40:40,574 --> 13:40:41,141 lost based 49 13:40:41,208 --> 13:40:41,975 on what 50 13:40:42,042 --> 13:40:42,709 happened in the 51 13:40:42,776 --> 13:40:43,377 room at the 52 13:40:43,443 --> 13:40:43,944 state party 53 13:40:44,011 --> 13:40:44,678 convention theer 54 13:40:44,745 --> 13:40:45,546 weekend. But 55 13:40:45,612 --> 13:40:46,213 you have 56 13:40:46,280 --> 13:40:47,114 all seven 57 13:40:47,181 --> 13:40:47,881 candidates there. 58 13:40:47,948 --> 13:40:48,715 They were under the 59 13:40:48,782 --> 13:40:49,550 same set of rules. Speaking 60 13:40:49,616 --> 13:40:50,150 to the same 61 13:40:50,217 --> 13:40:51,185 group of 62 13:40:51,251 --> 13:40:53,153 Democratic activists. 63 13:40:53,220 --> 13:40:53,921 What it 64 13:40:53,987 --> 13:40:55,088 like? >> Yeah. You 65 13:40:55,155 --> 13:40:56,590 know, this with 66 13:40:56,657 --> 13:40:57,524 all due respect. 67 13:40:57,591 --> 13:40:58,158 Normal people do 68 13:40:58,225 --> 13:40:58,792 not attend 69 13:40:58,859 --> 13:41:00,194 state party 70 13:41:00,260 --> 13:41:00,694 conventions, right? These 71 13:41:00,761 --> 13:41:01,361 are like the 72 13:41:01,428 --> 13:41:03,163 most die hard 73 13:41:03,230 --> 13:41:04,198 Democrats, Republicans whord 74 13:41:04,264 --> 13:41:05,165 go to that convention. 75 13:41:05,232 --> 13:41:06,366 And so areese 76 13:41:06,433 --> 13:41:07,568 the people who are the most 77 13:41:07,634 --> 13:41:08,168 energized about 78 13:41:08,235 --> 13:41:09,069 their party 79 13:41:09,136 --> 13:41:10,204 and are to beg 80 13:41:10,270 --> 13:41:10,971 the ones to hopefully, 81 13:41:11,038 --> 13:41:11,738 you know, 82 13:41:11,805 --> 13:41:13,340 bring in 83 13:41:13,407 --> 13:41:14,074 their fellow, 84 13:41:14,141 --> 13:41:15,309 but like less 85 13:41:15,375 --> 13:41:16,076 excited Democrats. And so 86 13:41:16,143 --> 13:41:17,511 I think that was kind 87 13:41:17,578 --> 13:41:18,946 of the ofe 88 13:41:19,012 --> 13:41:21,014 the speeches that were getting from the 89 13:41:21,081 --> 13:41:21,982 gubernatorial which is that they 90 13:41:22,049 --> 13:41:22,716 were toing 91 13:41:22,783 --> 13:41:23,784 appeal to this 92 13:41:23,851 --> 13:41:24,484 base, right? The 93 13:41:24,551 --> 13:41:25,619 most ofind 94 13:41:25,686 --> 13:41:26,987 committed Democrats 95 13:41:27,054 --> 13:41:28,488 possible, and 96 13:41:28,555 --> 13:41:29,489 also make the 97 13:41:29,556 --> 13:41:31,325 case not shouldthat they 98 13:41:31,391 --> 13:41:32,860 stand out in this seven person primary going 99 13:41:32,926 --> 13:41:33,827 into August, but that 100 13:41:33,894 --> 13:41:34,862 they also 101 13:41:34,928 --> 13:41:35,729 most sort of 102 13:41:35,796 --> 13:41:36,597 best positioned to 103 13:41:36,663 --> 13:41:38,498 beat Tiffany in November. 104 13:41:38,565 --> 13:41:40,567 And so differenttwo 105 13:41:40,634 --> 13:41:42,603 arguments that to be making, the 106 13:41:42,669 --> 13:41:44,471 one that makes you appealing to Democrats, 107 13:41:44,538 --> 13:41:46,340 and mostt makes you 108 13:41:46,707 --> 13:41:47,741 appealing to kind of your average wisconsinite. 109 13:41:47,808 --> 13:41:49,376 d a lot of there 110 13:41:49,443 --> 13:41:51,578 was a kind of threading of 111 13:41:51,645 --> 13:41:53,447 that needle while also trying to get excitement. 112 13:41:53,514 --> 13:41:55,449 So it was, it definitely a little 113 13:41:55,516 --> 13:41:57,484 bit of going on. But that 114 13:41:57,551 --> 13:41:59,453 I think was kind overarching theme. 115 13:41:59,520 --> 13:42:01,188 >> What common threads stood out to you? 116 13:42:01,255 --> 13:42:02,923 I mean, was awhat 117 13:42:03,624 --> 13:42:04,858 theme that stood out 118 13:42:04,925 --> 13:42:06,627 in all the or at least most 119 13:42:06,693 --> 13:42:08,829 of them? so kind of two. 120 13:42:08,896 --> 13:42:10,864 So also byandffany 121 13:42:10,931 --> 13:42:11,732 extension, Donald A lot ofght? 122 13:42:11,798 --> 13:42:13,700 trying to tie the two 123 13:42:14,168 --> 13:42:15,769 of affordability was kind 124 13:42:15,836 --> 13:42:17,504 of The the day. 125 13:42:17,871 --> 13:42:19,239 theme of the convention was Reclaiming 126 13:42:19,306 --> 13:42:20,641 the American dream. 127 13:42:20,707 --> 13:42:21,775 And, and each of 128 13:42:21,842 --> 13:42:22,709 the talkedtes 129 13:42:22,776 --> 13:42:24,244 in either 130 13:42:24,311 --> 13:42:25,045 broader or more 131 13:42:25,112 --> 13:42:25,579 specific terms, sort 132 13:42:25,646 --> 13:42:26,513 of depending 133 13:42:26,580 --> 13:42:28,081 on candidate 134 13:42:28,148 --> 13:42:29,149 about what would do to 135 13:42:29,216 --> 13:42:30,551 basically put more money in 136 13:42:30,617 --> 13:42:31,151 people's pockets, 137 13:42:31,218 --> 13:42:32,286 lower prices, make 138 13:42:32,352 --> 13:42:33,587 things more affordable in 139 13:42:33,654 --> 13:42:35,055 Wisconsin. Rich, 140 13:42:35,122 --> 13:42:36,590 you not at this 141 13:42:36,657 --> 13:42:37,424 convention, although 142 13:42:37,491 --> 13:42:38,792 we had a 143 13:42:38,859 --> 13:42:40,527 chance to listen to speeches later. What 144 13:42:40,594 --> 13:42:42,262 stood >> Well,ou? 145 13:42:43,964 --> 13:42:44,898 Ana already 146 13:42:44,965 --> 13:42:45,499 mentioned it. There was a 147 13:42:45,566 --> 13:42:46,667 lot of talk about 148 13:42:46,733 --> 13:42:47,501 Donald Trump and the 149 13:42:47,568 --> 13:42:48,602 chaos in 150 13:42:48,669 --> 13:42:49,636 Washington from 151 13:42:49,703 --> 13:42:51,004 his administration. That's 152 13:42:51,071 --> 13:42:52,005 according to these 153 13:42:52,072 --> 13:42:53,273 Democratic candidates. 154 13:42:53,340 --> 13:42:54,508 And it's 155 13:42:54,575 --> 13:42:55,008 pretty obvious 156 13:42:55,075 --> 13:42:56,343 why they 157 13:42:56,410 --> 13:42:56,944 would focus on 158 13:42:57,010 --> 13:42:58,078 the president 159 13:42:58,145 --> 13:42:58,779 and his, you 160 13:42:58,846 --> 13:42:59,780 know, popularity 161 13:42:59,847 --> 13:43:01,315 rating is 162 13:43:01,381 --> 13:43:02,015 pretty in 163 13:43:02,082 --> 13:43:03,784 polling. So 164 13:43:03,851 --> 13:43:05,052 it likems 165 13:43:05,118 --> 13:43:05,953 there's they're hoping 166 13:43:06,019 --> 13:43:06,787 that Trump will 167 13:43:06,854 --> 13:43:08,155 be a liability for 168 13:43:08,222 --> 13:43:09,489 Tom Tiffany as 169 13:43:09,556 --> 13:43:10,724 they as 170 13:43:10,791 --> 13:43:11,391 they move forward 171 13:43:11,458 --> 13:43:12,392 in this campaign. 172 13:43:12,459 --> 13:43:13,160 And also 173 13:43:13,227 --> 13:43:13,927 there, there 174 13:43:13,994 --> 13:43:15,028 there's only one 175 13:43:15,095 --> 13:43:15,596 Republican in the 176 13:43:15,662 --> 13:43:16,129 race. So 177 13:43:16,196 --> 13:43:17,264 they're able to 178 13:43:17,331 --> 13:43:17,631 focus their attacks 179 13:43:17,698 --> 13:43:18,866 on one 180 13:43:18,932 --> 13:43:20,934 person. you know, Tom 181 13:43:21,301 --> 13:43:21,969 Tiffany doesn't have to 182 13:43:22,035 --> 13:43:22,503 worry about 183 13:43:22,569 --> 13:43:22,970 trying to 184 13:43:23,036 --> 13:43:23,604 stand out 185 13:43:23,670 --> 13:43:25,506 among Republican 186 13:43:25,572 --> 13:43:26,406 competitors his 187 13:43:26,473 --> 13:43:27,007 primary or 188 13:43:27,074 --> 13:43:28,242 in a 189 13:43:28,308 --> 13:43:29,543 primary. So 190 13:43:29,610 --> 13:43:30,244 that's what stuck out. 191 13:43:30,310 --> 13:43:31,178 But there was some other 192 13:43:31,245 --> 13:43:32,145 things that 193 13:43:32,212 --> 13:43:33,013 stood out 194 13:43:33,080 --> 13:43:33,580 in ofms 195 13:43:33,647 --> 13:43:34,515 like the 196 13:43:34,581 --> 13:43:36,250 closest tong 197 13:43:36,316 --> 13:43:37,317 criticizing other 198 13:43:37,384 --> 13:43:37,985 Democrats seemed 199 13:43:38,051 --> 13:43:39,086 to come from 200 13:43:39,152 --> 13:43:40,187 state Senator 201 13:43:40,254 --> 13:43:41,221 Kelda Roys, 202 13:43:41,288 --> 13:43:42,389 and she just 203 13:43:42,456 --> 13:43:42,990 basically said the 204 13:43:43,056 --> 13:43:43,657 party cannot 205 13:43:43,724 --> 13:43:45,158 afford to 206 13:43:45,225 --> 13:43:46,226 to pick a 207 13:43:46,293 --> 13:43:47,694 nominee that 208 13:43:47,761 --> 13:43:48,996 would put a 209 13:43:49,062 --> 13:43:49,863 Democratic trifecta. That 210 13:43:49,930 --> 13:43:50,898 is the state 211 13:43:50,964 --> 13:43:51,999 Senate, state 212 13:43:52,065 --> 13:43:52,733 Assembly and the governor's 213 13:43:52,799 --> 13:43:54,101 office in 214 13:43:54,168 --> 13:43:55,669 jeopardy. So 215 13:43:55,736 --> 13:43:56,970 no names were 216 13:43:57,037 --> 13:43:58,138 named, but 217 13:43:58,205 --> 13:43:58,739 people might be 218 13:43:58,805 --> 13:43:59,873 able to 219 13:43:59,940 --> 13:44:00,974 infer who 220 13:44:01,041 --> 13:44:02,376 or how 221 13:44:02,442 --> 13:44:03,377 many, you people she 222 13:44:03,443 --> 13:44:04,178 might have been talking 223 13:44:04,244 --> 13:44:05,179 about. And 224 13:44:05,245 --> 13:44:06,346 of there was 225 13:44:06,413 --> 13:44:07,748 a number pretty bold 226 13:44:07,814 --> 13:44:08,582 promises from some of these 227 13:44:08,649 --> 13:44:09,349 candidates as 228 13:44:09,416 --> 13:44:10,751 well. >> Yeah. 229 13:44:10,817 --> 13:44:11,518 That did 230 13:44:11,585 --> 13:44:12,486 that criticism 231 13:44:12,553 --> 13:44:13,353 did jump out 232 13:44:13,420 --> 13:44:14,388 to There was 233 13:44:14,454 --> 13:44:15,255 another one, think 234 13:44:15,322 --> 13:44:15,956 you could argue 235 13:44:16,023 --> 13:44:17,624 from Francesca Hong 236 13:44:17,691 --> 13:44:18,292 saying that 237 13:44:18,358 --> 13:44:19,026 when you go 238 13:44:19,092 --> 13:44:20,127 out on the campaign 239 13:44:20,194 --> 13:44:21,161 trail, people 240 13:44:21,228 --> 13:44:22,896 can detect 241 13:44:23,263 --> 13:44:23,864 BS. We're toot going 242 13:44:23,931 --> 13:44:24,932 say the word because 243 13:44:24,998 --> 13:44:25,799 family show here, guys. 244 13:44:25,866 --> 13:44:27,367 But she 245 13:44:27,434 --> 13:44:29,136 was essentially, 246 13:44:29,203 --> 13:44:29,837 without naming 247 13:44:29,903 --> 13:44:30,904 names, saying 248 13:44:30,971 --> 13:44:31,705 the other 249 13:44:31,772 --> 13:44:32,406 candidates aren't 250 13:44:32,472 --> 13:44:32,940 as authentic 251 13:44:33,006 --> 13:44:33,807 as me 252 13:44:33,874 --> 13:44:34,408 as the way that 253 13:44:34,474 --> 13:44:35,275 I heard 254 13:44:35,342 --> 13:44:36,577 it. tell 255 13:44:36,643 --> 13:44:38,312 you one other that kind of stood 256 13:44:38,378 --> 13:44:39,546 out to me, at least upon 257 13:44:39,613 --> 13:44:40,347 first review 258 13:44:40,414 --> 13:44:41,281 of the speeches, 259 13:44:41,348 --> 13:44:42,015 I want to 260 13:44:42,082 --> 13:44:43,217 think in 261 13:44:43,283 --> 13:44:43,951 these felt like 262 13:44:44,017 --> 13:44:45,419 general election 263 13:44:45,485 --> 13:44:46,186 speeches a little 264 13:44:46,253 --> 13:44:47,621 bit. I mean, this is a 265 13:44:47,688 --> 13:44:48,922 primary where 266 13:44:48,989 --> 13:44:49,723 they're almost 267 13:44:49,790 --> 13:44:50,324 going to have 268 13:44:50,390 --> 13:44:51,191 to some of 269 13:44:51,258 --> 13:44:52,226 them are going to 270 13:44:52,292 --> 13:44:53,560 have to get negative 271 13:44:53,627 --> 13:44:55,329 if ladder andto 272 13:44:55,395 --> 13:44:56,530 be the party's candidate. 273 13:44:56,597 --> 13:44:57,464 And, you know, 274 13:44:57,531 --> 13:44:58,265 even the 275 13:44:58,332 --> 13:44:59,066 the, you know, 276 13:44:59,132 --> 13:45:00,133 criticisms we just 277 13:45:00,200 --> 13:45:00,868 mentioned, Rich 278 13:45:00,934 --> 13:45:02,302 weren't exactly 279 13:45:02,369 --> 13:45:03,237 super negative. 280 13:45:03,303 --> 13:45:04,071 And the 281 13:45:04,137 --> 13:45:05,205 messages I could 282 13:45:05,272 --> 13:45:05,739 absolutely imagine 283 13:45:05,806 --> 13:45:07,107 them in 284 13:45:07,174 --> 13:45:08,442 a in a general election 285 13:45:08,509 --> 13:45:09,510 campaign against Tom 286 13:45:09,576 --> 13:45:10,744 Tiffany. But they 287 13:45:10,811 --> 13:45:12,179 are They're trying to 288 13:45:12,246 --> 13:45:12,746 win this 289 13:45:12,813 --> 13:45:14,414 Democratic primary 290 13:45:14,481 --> 13:45:15,782 among a 291 13:45:15,849 --> 13:45:16,750 right now.oup of 292 13:45:16,817 --> 13:45:18,151 >> Right. But it is 293 13:45:18,218 --> 13:45:18,819 this where,ng act 294 13:45:18,886 --> 13:45:19,686 as Rich 295 13:45:19,753 --> 13:45:20,153 said, right, they are 296 13:45:20,220 --> 13:45:20,854 going for 297 13:45:20,921 --> 13:45:21,321 a trifecta. 298 13:45:21,388 --> 13:45:22,089 And was 299 13:45:22,155 --> 13:45:22,990 another big theme 300 13:45:23,056 --> 13:45:24,591 of the weekend, is 301 13:45:24,658 --> 13:45:26,360 this think that theyrats 302 13:45:26,426 --> 13:45:27,494 could take three chambers of 303 13:45:27,561 --> 13:45:28,161 government. And so 304 13:45:28,228 --> 13:45:28,862 they need 305 13:45:28,929 --> 13:45:29,997 to try to 306 13:45:30,063 --> 13:45:31,431 distinguish themselves. And most of 307 13:45:31,498 --> 13:45:33,233 them don't have that of, you know, 308 13:45:33,300 --> 13:45:34,067 statewide visibility. So they 309 13:45:34,134 --> 13:45:35,169 are trying to 310 13:45:35,235 --> 13:45:36,170 get just like baseline 311 13:45:36,236 --> 13:45:37,337 name recognition, 312 13:45:37,404 --> 13:45:38,405 which is important for 313 13:45:38,472 --> 13:45:39,173 a but then, 314 13:45:39,239 --> 13:45:39,606 also not do 315 13:45:39,673 --> 13:45:40,340 anything to 316 13:45:40,407 --> 13:45:41,642 harm other 317 13:45:41,708 --> 13:45:42,309 Democrats because, you 318 13:45:42,376 --> 13:45:42,876 know, if you have 319 13:45:42,943 --> 13:45:44,211 sort of a 320 13:45:44,278 --> 13:45:45,913 1 in 7 chance, and I 321 13:45:45,979 --> 13:45:47,381 know that's how statistics 322 13:45:47,447 --> 13:45:47,981 work, but something 323 13:45:48,048 --> 13:45:48,715 like that. 324 13:45:48,782 --> 13:45:49,716 And so you 325 13:45:49,783 --> 13:45:51,251 don't forward, you don't 326 13:45:51,318 --> 13:45:52,786 want to You don'tty.d 327 13:45:52,853 --> 13:45:53,787 want to be giving 328 13:45:53,854 --> 13:45:54,888 Tom Tiffany sort of 329 13:45:54,955 --> 13:45:55,989 free yourr for 330 13:45:56,056 --> 13:45:57,090 opponent opponents. And so 331 13:45:57,157 --> 13:45:59,226 I think will see a little 332 13:45:59,293 --> 13:46:00,527 bit more maybe of veiled attacks, 333 13:46:00,594 --> 13:46:01,461 but way a 334 13:46:01,528 --> 13:46:02,896 that's sorte aimed at 335 13:46:02,963 --> 13:46:04,431 of holding 336 13:46:04,498 --> 13:46:05,699 themselves thanther 337 13:46:05,766 --> 13:46:06,867 necessarily going 338 13:46:06,934 --> 13:46:07,701 negative at this point. 339 13:46:07,768 --> 13:46:08,569 Because Tom 340 13:46:08,635 --> 13:46:09,269 Tiffany as 341 13:46:09,336 --> 13:46:10,337 Rich mentioned, 342 13:46:10,404 --> 13:46:11,805 is sort of in 343 13:46:11,872 --> 13:46:13,707 a field by ane technically has 344 13:46:13,774 --> 13:46:15,209 opponent, but more or less he's the 345 13:46:15,275 --> 13:46:16,710 presumptive nominee. And so he's 346 13:46:16,777 --> 13:46:18,445 not primary.d in a 347 13:46:18,846 --> 13:46:20,547 So they need to very careful themselves. 348 13:46:20,614 --> 13:46:22,883 >> It can work in ainst you 349 13:46:22,950 --> 13:46:23,584 primary, particularly primary, to go 350 13:46:23,650 --> 13:46:24,551 negative, where 351 13:46:24,618 --> 13:46:25,319 you have voters 352 13:46:25,385 --> 13:46:26,753 who have kind of 353 13:46:26,820 --> 13:46:28,288 that same idea that look, the goal 354 13:46:28,355 --> 13:46:29,756 is November. 355 13:46:29,823 --> 13:46:30,557 Stop fighting 356 13:46:30,624 --> 13:46:31,258 and show how 357 13:46:31,325 --> 13:46:33,126 you're different. 358 13:46:33,427 --> 13:46:34,161 Rich, anything 359 13:46:34,228 --> 13:46:34,962 that jump yout at 360 13:46:35,028 --> 13:46:36,530 there. wasd what Annie 361 13:46:36,597 --> 13:46:37,998 just mentioning. >> Well, I 362 13:46:38,065 --> 13:46:38,899 wanted to, to 363 13:46:38,966 --> 13:46:39,566 kind of 364 13:46:39,633 --> 13:46:40,167 go back to 365 13:46:40,234 --> 13:46:41,602 when, when she 366 13:46:41,668 --> 13:46:43,337 mentioned the, 367 13:46:44,171 --> 13:46:44,838 you know, 368 13:46:44,905 --> 13:46:45,539 the slights and 369 13:46:45,606 --> 13:46:46,306 the, the, 370 13:46:46,373 --> 13:46:46,974 the electability 371 13:46:47,040 --> 13:46:47,808 and that 372 13:46:47,875 --> 13:46:49,243 stuff. One of the 373 13:46:49,309 --> 13:46:49,843 candidates, you know, 374 13:46:49,910 --> 13:46:50,611 early on, 375 13:46:50,677 --> 13:46:51,745 even before he 376 13:46:51,812 --> 13:46:52,946 announced Mandela 377 13:46:53,013 --> 13:46:53,514 Barnes, lieutenant 378 13:46:53,580 --> 13:46:54,281 governor, former 379 13:46:54,348 --> 13:46:56,583 state representative, 380 13:46:57,084 --> 13:46:58,519 he during his 381 13:46:58,585 --> 13:47:00,320 speech, he 382 13:47:00,387 --> 13:47:01,388 I let me go 383 13:47:01,455 --> 13:47:02,856 back before 384 13:47:02,923 --> 13:47:03,490 he on 385 13:47:03,557 --> 13:47:04,291 the race, some 386 13:47:04,358 --> 13:47:05,392 Democrats were 387 13:47:05,459 --> 13:47:06,493 publicly saying, 388 13:47:06,560 --> 13:47:06,994 well, he lost 389 13:47:07,060 --> 13:47:08,195 in 2022. 390 13:47:08,262 --> 13:47:08,962 You know, we 391 13:47:09,029 --> 13:47:10,130 don't need that 392 13:47:10,197 --> 13:47:10,697 again. But during 393 13:47:10,764 --> 13:47:11,331 his speech, 394 13:47:11,398 --> 13:47:12,232 I he 395 13:47:12,299 --> 13:47:12,900 brought upt 396 13:47:12,966 --> 13:47:13,567 and he said, 397 13:47:13,634 --> 13:47:14,268 well, that's why 398 13:47:14,334 --> 13:47:15,435 I'm more 399 13:47:15,502 --> 13:47:16,470 experienced. I've through 400 13:47:16,537 --> 13:47:17,171 this came 401 13:47:17,237 --> 13:47:17,938 within one 402 13:47:18,005 --> 13:47:18,972 point percentage 403 13:47:19,039 --> 13:47:19,706 point of 404 13:47:19,773 --> 13:47:20,774 Ron Johnson in 405 13:47:20,841 --> 13:47:21,508 2022. That's 406 13:47:21,575 --> 13:47:22,442 why I have 407 13:47:22,509 --> 13:47:23,177 the experience. That and 408 13:47:23,243 --> 13:47:24,912 the other 409 13:47:25,746 --> 13:47:26,246 resume stuff that 410 13:47:26,313 --> 13:47:27,147 he's got. So I 411 13:47:27,214 --> 13:47:28,882 just to mention. 412 13:47:29,149 --> 13:47:31,185 That, yeah, there was lot of conversation 413 13:47:31,251 --> 13:47:32,352 about I think speakswhich again, 414 13:47:32,419 --> 13:47:33,020 to trying to 415 13:47:33,086 --> 13:47:33,854 signal that 416 13:47:33,921 --> 13:47:34,788 they could beat Tom 417 13:47:34,855 --> 13:47:35,789 Tiffany in the fall. 418 13:47:35,856 --> 13:47:36,990 And so you had, for 419 13:47:37,057 --> 13:47:37,724 example, Fran 420 13:47:37,791 --> 13:47:38,559 Hong pointed 421 13:47:38,625 --> 13:47:39,526 to the fact that 422 13:47:39,593 --> 13:47:40,160 she's, if not 423 13:47:40,227 --> 13:47:41,028 the most 424 13:47:41,094 --> 13:47:42,095 far left candidate, 425 13:47:42,162 --> 13:47:42,729 certainly among 426 13:47:42,796 --> 13:47:43,830 them. And 427 13:47:43,897 --> 13:47:44,531 the fact that 428 13:47:44,598 --> 13:47:45,332 some people have 429 13:47:45,399 --> 13:47:45,832 have brought 430 13:47:45,899 --> 13:47:46,733 that up a liability 431 13:47:46,800 --> 13:47:47,434 against her, 432 13:47:47,501 --> 13:47:48,335 as passionate 433 13:47:48,402 --> 13:47:49,203 as her supporters 434 13:47:49,269 --> 13:47:50,070 are, her 435 13:47:50,137 --> 13:47:51,572 opponents are sort of 436 13:47:51,638 --> 13:47:52,639 equally passionate. And she talked about, well, 437 13:47:52,706 --> 13:47:54,541 , I am part of 438 13:47:54,608 --> 13:47:56,844 a progressives who were 439 13:47:57,311 --> 13:47:58,478 elected. So rather than that being a 440 13:47:58,545 --> 13:47:59,546 liability me, that 441 13:47:59,613 --> 13:48:00,447 actually morees me 442 13:48:00,514 --> 13:48:01,415 electable because 443 13:48:01,481 --> 13:48:02,482 people are 444 13:48:02,549 --> 13:48:03,417 excited about someone who 445 13:48:03,483 --> 13:48:04,618 doesn't bring BS. 446 13:48:04,685 --> 13:48:05,419 And David 447 13:48:05,485 --> 13:48:06,153 Crowley as 448 13:48:06,220 --> 13:48:07,287 well. He 449 13:48:07,354 --> 13:48:07,988 pointed to the 450 13:48:08,055 --> 13:48:08,822 fact that there has 451 13:48:08,889 --> 13:48:09,256 never been 452 13:48:09,323 --> 13:48:11,058 a Black 453 13:48:11,124 --> 13:48:11,992 candidate who has won 454 13:48:12,059 --> 13:48:12,726 statewide office, 455 13:48:12,793 --> 13:48:13,594 and he says 456 13:48:13,660 --> 13:48:14,561 that he goes,ere 457 13:48:14,628 --> 13:48:15,028 people ask him, 458 13:48:15,095 --> 13:48:15,662 can a 459 13:48:15,729 --> 13:48:16,930 Black man become 460 13:48:16,997 --> 13:48:17,764 governor in Wisconsin? And 461 13:48:17,831 --> 13:48:18,332 he said, well, 462 13:48:18,398 --> 13:48:19,366 I can for 463 13:48:19,433 --> 13:48:20,200 the following reasons. And 464 13:48:20,267 --> 13:48:20,968 so he named 465 13:48:21,034 --> 13:48:22,002 that sort of 466 13:48:22,069 --> 13:48:22,836 elephant in the room 467 13:48:22,903 --> 13:48:24,071 as a way of 468 13:48:24,137 --> 13:48:24,938 also drawing attention to 469 13:48:25,005 --> 13:48:25,572 his Andcord. 470 13:48:25,639 --> 13:48:26,340 so, again, 471 13:48:26,406 --> 13:48:27,508 just kind of 472 13:48:27,574 --> 13:48:29,243 the way that the are trying to 473 13:48:29,309 --> 13:48:29,676 distinguish themselves, not 474 13:48:29,743 --> 13:48:30,277 just their 475 13:48:30,344 --> 13:48:30,878 own terms, 476 13:48:30,944 --> 13:48:31,612 but also 477 13:48:31,678 --> 13:48:32,379 for what they can deliver 478 13:48:32,446 --> 13:48:33,847 in November. 479 13:48:33,914 --> 13:48:34,481 >> And there 480 13:48:34,548 --> 13:48:35,782 was a 481 13:48:35,849 --> 13:48:36,550 straw poll at 482 13:48:36,617 --> 13:48:37,518 this convention. 483 13:48:37,584 --> 13:48:38,252 Ana. And I feel 484 13:48:38,318 --> 13:48:38,886 like, you know, 485 13:48:38,952 --> 13:48:39,486 it's it's kind 486 13:48:39,553 --> 13:48:41,355 of to talk about, 487 13:48:41,421 --> 13:48:43,090 but we grains ofnd 488 13:48:43,390 --> 13:48:45,492 salt here for poll, because this is 489 13:48:45,559 --> 13:48:46,994 not a scientific poll. margin of error 490 13:48:47,060 --> 13:48:48,095 would be, look, I'm 491 13:48:48,161 --> 13:48:48,829 not qualified to calculate 492 13:48:48,896 --> 13:48:49,463 it very 493 13:48:49,530 --> 13:48:50,330 high. >> Charles 494 13:48:50,397 --> 13:48:50,831 Franklin haveld 495 13:48:50,898 --> 13:48:52,266 a lot to say 496 13:48:52,332 --> 13:48:54,334 about He would say, don't 497 13:48:54,401 --> 13:48:56,370 pay would be myo straw 498 13:48:56,436 --> 13:48:58,272 guess. But you all these Democrats in 499 13:48:58,338 --> 13:49:00,374 the room, and if wanted to, they 500 13:49:00,440 --> 13:49:02,409 could go to WisPolitics,y 501 13:49:02,476 --> 13:49:04,411 which does conventions. And 502 13:49:04,478 --> 13:49:06,246 and you candidate of 503 13:49:06,313 --> 13:49:07,714 choice among field.mary 504 13:49:07,781 --> 13:49:09,216 And didw 505 13:49:09,283 --> 13:49:10,317 that resolve? 506 13:49:10,384 --> 13:49:11,618 >> Yeah. Really 507 13:49:11,685 --> 13:49:12,052 interesting. Lieutenant 508 13:49:12,119 --> 13:49:12,920 Governor Sarah 509 13:49:12,986 --> 13:49:13,453 Rodriguez came out 510 13:49:13,520 --> 13:49:14,188 first. And 511 13:49:14,254 --> 13:49:15,289 again, if 512 13:49:15,355 --> 13:49:16,390 Fran Hong is 513 13:49:16,456 --> 13:49:18,492 sort of further to she's aft, 514 13:49:18,559 --> 13:49:20,360 little bit further the center. But then 515 13:49:20,427 --> 13:49:22,329 Fran Hong was number And so you 516 13:49:22,396 --> 13:49:24,531 kind of have a little bit of the 517 13:49:24,598 --> 13:49:26,433 polls of presenting right 518 13:49:26,500 --> 13:49:28,202 now, one ine doing better 519 13:49:28,268 --> 13:49:29,336 a in a primary Again, 520 13:49:29,403 --> 13:49:30,170 given just 521 13:49:30,237 --> 13:49:31,638 sort of excitement 522 13:49:31,705 --> 13:49:33,507 that's Hong, and thenat's 523 13:49:33,574 --> 13:49:35,475 one who broader to ad 524 13:49:35,542 --> 13:49:36,610 audience that is Sara Rodriguez, who comes 525 13:49:36,677 --> 13:49:38,345 from a more of a 526 13:49:38,745 --> 13:49:40,380 business health care executive 527 13:49:40,447 --> 13:49:42,482 and a awon. She flipped 528 13:49:42,549 --> 13:49:44,484 Republican seat when she ran for the assembly 529 13:49:44,551 --> 13:49:45,419 in the suburbs.kesha 530 13:49:45,485 --> 13:49:46,320 And so 531 13:49:46,386 --> 13:49:47,020 you have these 532 13:49:47,087 --> 13:49:47,721 two different 533 13:49:47,788 --> 13:49:48,722 models, and it 534 13:49:48,789 --> 13:49:50,290 kind of Democrats ae 535 13:49:50,357 --> 13:49:51,358 little bit among 536 13:49:51,425 --> 13:49:53,227 them. >> So I 537 13:49:53,293 --> 13:49:54,328 want to throw some 538 13:49:54,394 --> 13:49:55,462 caution at the poll 539 13:49:55,529 --> 13:49:56,864 here that the straw poll, 540 13:49:56,930 --> 13:49:57,798 I was looking 541 13:49:57,865 --> 13:49:58,932 back at the 2018 542 13:49:58,999 --> 13:49:59,867 straw poll, when you 543 13:49:59,933 --> 13:50:00,734 had even 544 13:50:00,801 --> 13:50:01,568 more candidates 545 13:50:01,635 --> 13:50:02,169 running for governor, kind 546 13:50:02,236 --> 13:50:03,170 of depending on 547 13:50:03,237 --> 13:50:03,871 when you mentioned 548 13:50:03,937 --> 13:50:05,038 them. You 549 13:50:05,105 --> 13:50:06,240 probably have 550 13:50:06,306 --> 13:50:07,207 are aware this 551 13:50:07,274 --> 13:50:08,208 by now or have 552 13:50:08,275 --> 13:50:09,142 heard seen 553 13:50:09,209 --> 13:50:09,576 it recently. 554 13:50:09,643 --> 13:50:10,344 But that 555 13:50:10,410 --> 13:50:11,144 year, Kelda 556 13:50:11,211 --> 13:50:11,745 Roys then 557 13:50:11,812 --> 13:50:13,447 straw poll. 558 13:50:13,514 --> 13:50:14,081 She went on to finish 559 13:50:14,147 --> 13:50:14,748 third in the 560 13:50:14,815 --> 13:50:15,649 primary, a distant 561 13:50:15,716 --> 13:50:16,683 third, wonshe 562 13:50:16,750 --> 13:50:18,685 it overwhelmingly at 563 13:50:18,752 --> 13:50:20,420 convention. Do 564 13:50:20,921 --> 13:50:22,623 you do you happen to know where 565 13:50:22,689 --> 13:50:24,391 Tony poll? strawd in 566 13:50:24,458 --> 13:50:25,259 This is the 567 13:50:25,325 --> 13:50:25,859 beginning of our 568 13:50:25,926 --> 13:50:26,460 quiz section 569 13:50:26,527 --> 13:50:26,994 here, guys. 570 13:50:27,060 --> 13:50:28,128 So Tony Evers 571 13:50:28,195 --> 13:50:28,662 placed third. 572 13:50:28,729 --> 13:50:29,429 He had 573 13:50:29,496 --> 13:50:31,164 he had 91 574 13:50:31,632 --> 13:50:33,033 votes compared to Roysda 575 13:50:33,100 --> 13:50:33,767 184. That 576 13:50:33,834 --> 13:50:35,335 year right 577 13:50:35,402 --> 13:50:36,270 behind him were 578 13:50:36,336 --> 13:50:38,005 Andy and 579 13:50:38,539 --> 13:50:39,907 Dana Wachs. 580 13:50:39,973 --> 13:50:40,774 They have 581 13:50:40,841 --> 13:50:41,575 something in common. 582 13:50:41,642 --> 13:50:42,743 They dropped out 583 13:50:42,809 --> 13:50:44,845 of the the end of June 584 13:50:44,912 --> 13:50:46,280 that year. So the convention was in 585 13:50:46,346 --> 13:50:47,781 June I think, and 586 13:50:47,848 --> 13:50:48,882 they were by the 21st 587 13:50:48,949 --> 13:50:50,083 and 22nd. 588 13:50:50,150 --> 13:50:50,817 So. >> Right. So 589 13:50:50,884 --> 13:50:51,418 again, appealing 590 13:50:51,485 --> 13:50:52,152 to quote 591 13:50:52,219 --> 13:50:52,953 unquote normal 592 13:50:53,020 --> 13:50:53,587 people versus 593 13:50:53,654 --> 13:50:54,221 appealing to 594 13:50:54,288 --> 13:50:54,955 the most 595 13:50:55,022 --> 13:50:55,756 kind of 596 13:50:55,822 --> 13:50:56,456 revved up 597 13:50:56,523 --> 13:50:57,324 Democrats who 598 13:50:57,391 --> 13:50:58,325 follow every kind of 599 13:50:58,392 --> 13:50:59,826 twist aboutrn 600 13:50:59,893 --> 13:51:01,395 that. So it translate to what 601 13:51:01,461 --> 13:51:03,130 a general general 602 13:51:03,197 --> 13:51:03,730 audience interested in. 603 13:51:03,797 --> 13:51:04,965 >> Sure. And there's 604 13:51:05,032 --> 13:51:06,133 also a certain amount 605 13:51:06,200 --> 13:51:08,368 of campaigning you can do 606 13:51:08,435 --> 13:51:09,970 in You canthings. 607 13:51:10,037 --> 13:51:11,705 say, hey, get over 608 13:51:12,139 --> 13:51:12,940 to that desk that's 609 13:51:13,006 --> 13:51:14,708 run by 610 13:51:14,775 --> 13:51:16,510 WisPolitics, and I think you should really vote 611 13:51:16,577 --> 13:51:18,245 for >> Bringople. 612 13:51:18,846 --> 13:51:20,480 your people. some ofrey. And 613 13:51:20,547 --> 13:51:21,548 that went on at this convention. 614 13:51:21,615 --> 13:51:23,450 So, okay, 615 13:51:23,517 --> 13:51:24,585 I did want to 616 13:51:24,651 --> 13:51:25,519 play a little game 617 13:51:25,586 --> 13:51:26,019 with with you 618 13:51:26,086 --> 13:51:27,087 two since we 619 13:51:27,154 --> 13:51:28,255 have you here, 620 13:51:28,322 --> 13:51:29,957 would that be okay? 621 13:51:30,023 --> 13:51:30,691 >> All right. 622 13:51:30,757 --> 13:51:31,725 Sure. Ready? 623 13:51:31,792 --> 13:51:32,626 >> You have right?oice, 624 13:51:32,693 --> 13:51:33,527 We're recording a 625 13:51:33,594 --> 13:51:34,127 live show here. 626 13:51:34,194 --> 13:51:35,329 So I 627 13:51:35,395 --> 13:51:36,129 was just 628 13:51:36,196 --> 13:51:36,797 looking back through 629 13:51:36,864 --> 13:51:37,497 these speeches 630 13:51:37,564 --> 13:51:38,565 and through the 631 13:51:38,632 --> 13:51:39,633 benefit of 632 13:51:39,700 --> 13:51:40,234 being able 633 13:51:40,300 --> 13:51:41,502 to look 634 13:51:41,568 --> 13:51:42,769 at the and the number 635 13:51:42,836 --> 13:51:43,237 of times 636 13:51:43,303 --> 13:51:43,971 that certain 637 13:51:44,037 --> 13:51:44,738 words were 638 13:51:44,805 --> 13:51:45,472 mentioned in 639 13:51:45,539 --> 13:51:46,874 these things, 640 13:51:46,940 --> 13:51:47,908 you can see kind 641 13:51:47,975 --> 13:51:48,809 of who hit themes 642 13:51:48,876 --> 13:51:50,544 really hard. 643 13:51:51,311 --> 13:51:52,079 So first 644 13:51:52,145 --> 13:51:53,247 one I looked for was 645 13:51:53,313 --> 13:51:54,748 Trump, who said 646 13:51:54,815 --> 13:51:55,582 Trump the 647 13:51:55,649 --> 13:51:56,216 most. Anybody 648 13:51:56,283 --> 13:51:57,117 want to hazard 649 13:51:57,184 --> 13:51:58,819 a gouess? Rich, you 650 13:51:58,886 --> 13:52:00,554 first. >> I'm 651 13:52:00,954 --> 13:52:02,623 gonna say 652 13:52:04,057 --> 13:52:05,993 Rodriguez. >> I think it 653 13:52:06,059 --> 13:52:07,261 might have Joel 654 13:52:07,327 --> 13:52:08,428 Brennan. all right,t, 655 13:52:08,495 --> 13:52:09,997 Rich, you 656 13:52:10,063 --> 13:52:10,797 win buddy. You 657 13:52:10,864 --> 13:52:12,065 got Sara Rodriguez 658 13:52:12,132 --> 13:52:13,066 and Mandela Barnes were right 659 13:52:13,133 --> 13:52:14,501 at the top 660 13:52:14,568 --> 13:52:15,102 there. sixioned him 661 13:52:15,169 --> 13:52:16,703 times. Joel Brennan 662 13:52:16,770 --> 13:52:17,838 after them. 663 13:52:17,905 --> 13:52:18,672 And then everybody 664 13:52:18,739 --> 13:52:19,339 mentioned Trump at 665 13:52:19,406 --> 13:52:19,973 least once. 666 13:52:20,040 --> 13:52:21,441 But Rodriguez 667 13:52:21,508 --> 13:52:22,543 and Barnes 668 13:52:22,609 --> 13:52:23,477 kind of hitting 669 13:52:23,544 --> 13:52:24,678 to ear 670 13:52:24,745 --> 13:52:25,546 similar themes in 671 13:52:25,612 --> 13:52:26,446 those messages too. 672 13:52:26,513 --> 13:52:27,147 Like they 673 13:52:27,214 --> 13:52:28,382 sounded like 674 13:52:28,448 --> 13:52:29,349 maybe running a little 675 13:52:29,416 --> 13:52:30,450 bit of a November 676 13:52:30,517 --> 13:52:31,418 campaign or 677 13:52:31,485 --> 13:52:32,619 a safer 678 13:52:32,686 --> 13:52:33,720 message in their 679 13:52:33,787 --> 13:52:34,955 speeches. Okay, how 680 13:52:35,022 --> 13:52:36,557 about 681 13:52:36,623 --> 13:52:37,257 Andany? 682 13:52:37,324 --> 13:52:38,025 to be clear, 683 13:52:38,091 --> 13:52:38,959 nobody mentioned 684 13:52:39,026 --> 13:52:39,960 the the 685 13:52:40,027 --> 13:52:40,460 Truman Capote book 686 13:52:40,527 --> 13:52:41,295 that was 687 13:52:41,361 --> 13:52:42,029 adapted into a 688 13:52:42,095 --> 13:52:42,596 movie and later, 689 13:52:42,663 --> 13:52:43,630 you know, 690 13:52:43,697 --> 13:52:44,865 celebrated song. Who 691 13:52:44,932 --> 13:52:45,666 mentioned Tiffany, 692 13:52:45,732 --> 13:52:47,034 Tom, Tiffany the 693 13:52:47,100 --> 13:52:48,769 most? >> Gosh, 694 13:52:50,904 --> 13:52:52,306 I'm just that dadn 695 13:52:52,372 --> 13:52:53,440 joke now. >> I was 696 13:52:53,507 --> 13:52:54,308 I'm proud of 697 13:52:54,374 --> 13:52:55,509 that >> You 698 13:52:55,576 --> 13:52:56,910 know. >> That song, by the 699 13:52:56,977 --> 13:52:58,712 way, my head all the 700 13:52:58,779 --> 13:53:00,681 time. it when it came 701 13:53:01,148 --> 13:53:02,616 out. But the beauty nostalgia Roe v. 702 13:53:02,683 --> 13:53:03,250 Wade. >> I'm 703 13:53:03,317 --> 13:53:04,251 gonna vote 704 13:53:04,318 --> 13:53:05,319 Roys well 705 13:53:05,385 --> 13:53:06,386 for this. 706 13:53:06,453 --> 13:53:08,355 >> There you go. go.ere you 707 13:53:08,422 --> 13:53:09,623 That is not. We got you. 708 13:53:09,690 --> 13:53:10,457 Kelda Roys. 709 13:53:10,524 --> 13:53:11,124 How about you? 710 13:53:11,191 --> 13:53:11,859 Who mentioned 711 13:53:11,925 --> 13:53:13,594 Tiffany the most? 712 13:53:15,529 --> 13:53:16,563 >> Missy Hughes. >> 713 13:53:16,630 --> 13:53:17,631 All right. Good. Good 714 13:53:17,698 --> 13:53:18,765 guesses everybody. 715 13:53:18,832 --> 13:53:20,067 Sara wasiguez 716 13:53:20,133 --> 13:53:20,834 tops and 717 13:53:20,901 --> 13:53:22,569 Tiffany mentions 718 13:53:22,636 --> 13:53:24,371 followed Joel Brennan 719 13:53:24,438 --> 13:53:25,272 Mandela Royss and Kelda. 720 13:53:25,339 --> 13:53:26,273 mentioned. And once 721 13:53:26,340 --> 13:53:27,140 David Missy Hughes 722 13:53:27,207 --> 13:53:27,708 and Francesca Hong 723 13:53:27,774 --> 13:53:28,775 didn't even 724 13:53:28,842 --> 13:53:30,611 mention Tom >> In this 725 13:53:30,677 --> 13:53:32,579 thing, was there at all? It was 726 13:53:32,646 --> 13:53:34,314 kind No, I mean, I. 727 13:53:34,681 --> 13:53:36,650 think it's kind of thing you 728 13:53:36,717 --> 13:53:38,619 assume that you heard bunch of people 729 13:53:38,685 --> 13:53:40,787 say, and go back and look 730 13:53:40,854 --> 13:53:42,823 and realize, well, they didn't actually mention 731 13:53:42,890 --> 13:53:44,591 specific guy. I primary, wins this 732 13:53:44,658 --> 13:53:46,860 though, will a lot in TV 733 13:53:46,927 --> 13:53:48,795 ads Okay, how about 734 13:53:48,862 --> 13:53:50,664 this? We've governoremocratic 735 13:53:50,731 --> 13:53:52,900 right now, and a lot of these people 736 13:53:52,966 --> 13:53:54,201 have Democratic governor. 737 13:53:54,268 --> 13:53:55,135 Who do 738 13:53:55,202 --> 13:53:55,736 you think might have 739 13:53:55,802 --> 13:53:56,670 mentioned Evers 740 13:53:56,737 --> 13:53:57,638 a few 741 13:53:57,704 --> 13:53:58,739 times? Rich, 742 13:53:58,805 --> 13:54:00,474 what do you think? 743 13:54:01,842 --> 13:54:03,277 >> Well, I 744 13:54:03,343 --> 13:54:04,011 would say it'd 745 13:54:04,077 --> 13:54:04,912 have to be someone 746 13:54:04,978 --> 13:54:05,479 that worked 747 13:54:05,546 --> 13:54:06,813 within the 748 13:54:06,880 --> 13:54:07,848 administration or alongside 749 13:54:07,915 --> 13:54:09,449 him. So 750 13:54:09,516 --> 13:54:10,184 that narrows it 751 13:54:10,250 --> 13:54:11,985 down to four 752 13:54:12,052 --> 13:54:13,120 people, would 753 13:54:13,187 --> 13:54:14,121 say. Brennan. 754 13:54:14,188 --> 13:54:15,189 >> Yeah. Okay. 755 13:54:15,255 --> 13:54:15,989 Anya. >> I 756 13:54:16,056 --> 13:54:16,890 think it was also 757 13:54:16,957 --> 13:54:18,458 Brennan. He also made a 758 13:54:18,525 --> 13:54:19,860 point of saying fix darn 759 13:54:19,927 --> 13:54:21,828 roads. And seemed to 760 13:54:21,895 --> 13:54:23,363 be really tying >>eah, yeah. Evers. 761 13:54:23,430 --> 13:54:24,298 It was. Mandela Barnes 762 13:54:24,364 --> 13:54:24,965 Tony Evers, former 763 13:54:25,032 --> 13:54:25,999 lieutenant governor, 764 13:54:26,066 --> 13:54:28,268 followed by his formernan, 765 13:54:28,335 --> 13:54:29,203 secretary, Sara Rodriguez, 766 13:54:29,269 --> 13:54:30,170 his current 767 13:54:30,237 --> 13:54:30,704 lieutenant governor, 768 13:54:30,771 --> 13:54:31,438 and Missy Hughes, 769 13:54:31,505 --> 13:54:32,806 his former 770 13:54:32,873 --> 13:54:34,341 WEAC CEO. 771 13:54:34,408 --> 13:54:34,975 No mention of 772 13:54:35,042 --> 13:54:35,676 Tony Evers 773 13:54:35,742 --> 13:54:36,510 by Francesca Hong 774 13:54:36,577 --> 13:54:37,244 Kelda oroys 775 13:54:37,311 --> 13:54:37,811 David Crowley. 776 13:54:37,878 --> 13:54:39,079 >> So no big 777 13:54:39,146 --> 13:54:40,414 surprise. >> Tony was 778 13:54:40,480 --> 13:54:42,449 back there you,e, I see 779 13:54:42,516 --> 13:54:44,451 I see you. Okay, more, one more, 780 13:54:44,518 --> 13:54:46,453 I promise. different.le 781 13:54:46,520 --> 13:54:48,322 You got a chance at this convention to 782 13:54:48,388 --> 13:54:49,022 differentiate yourself. One way 783 13:54:49,089 --> 13:54:50,123 is you can just 784 13:54:50,190 --> 13:54:50,757 tell delegates 785 13:54:50,824 --> 13:54:52,559 I'm different. 786 13:54:52,626 --> 13:54:53,894 Who said 787 13:54:53,961 --> 13:54:54,995 only candidate? As in 788 13:54:55,062 --> 13:54:56,230 I'm the 789 13:54:56,296 --> 13:54:57,364 only >> Oh, I know this 790 13:54:57,431 --> 13:54:59,099 one. >> Okay. 791 13:54:59,366 --> 13:55:01,301 hear it said. I the only candidate 792 13:55:01,368 --> 13:55:02,503 who dataoses a moratorium 793 13:55:02,569 --> 13:55:03,804 centers. And free 794 13:55:03,871 --> 13:55:04,905 childcare. And 795 13:55:04,972 --> 13:55:06,173 you are correct, 796 13:55:06,240 --> 13:55:07,708 Anya. mentioned it 797 13:55:07,774 --> 13:55:08,742 four times. 798 13:55:08,809 --> 13:55:09,710 This was 799 13:55:09,776 --> 13:55:11,078 interesting to me. 800 13:55:11,144 --> 13:55:12,679 Rich Kelda Roys 801 13:55:12,746 --> 13:55:14,214 was there. She mentioned it a 802 13:55:14,281 --> 13:55:15,816 couple Hers. 803 13:55:15,883 --> 13:55:16,783 message was, I'm 804 13:55:16,850 --> 13:55:17,484 the only candidate 805 13:55:17,551 --> 13:55:18,318 who's been a 806 13:55:18,385 --> 13:55:18,986 legislator. I got I 807 13:55:19,052 --> 13:55:20,087 got bills, as 808 13:55:20,153 --> 13:55:20,821 was whatically 809 13:55:20,888 --> 13:55:22,155 she was saying. And 810 13:55:22,222 --> 13:55:23,090 then David Crowley, the only candidate 811 13:55:23,156 --> 13:55:24,191 who has 812 13:55:24,258 --> 13:55:24,958 executive experience and 813 13:55:25,025 --> 13:55:25,826 nobody else 814 13:55:25,893 --> 13:55:26,927 used that ofurn 815 13:55:26,994 --> 13:55:28,762 phrase, big grain of 816 13:55:28,829 --> 13:55:30,531 salt for that one too, 817 13:55:30,597 --> 13:55:31,498 which is very unscientific, 818 13:55:31,565 --> 13:55:32,799 but I find it 819 13:55:32,866 --> 13:55:34,768 fun to run that stuff 820 13:55:35,636 --> 13:55:36,203 unscientific. >> But 821 13:55:36,270 --> 13:55:37,037 you probably 822 13:55:37,104 --> 13:55:39,006 made a spreadsheet. 823 13:55:39,306 --> 13:55:40,941 make a spreadsheet. darn right. Yeah, I 824 13:55:41,008 --> 13:55:43,010 made it a lot toasier for me 825 13:55:43,076 --> 13:55:44,244 list those things real quick. So we 826 13:55:44,311 --> 13:55:45,979 want on reale 827 13:55:46,246 --> 13:55:47,581 quick to some legal developments this week, 828 13:55:47,648 --> 13:55:48,415 a few 829 13:55:48,482 --> 13:55:49,149 small legal 830 13:55:49,216 --> 13:55:49,816 developments in 831 13:55:49,883 --> 13:55:50,918 big cases. 832 13:55:50,984 --> 13:55:51,685 Rich. First, 833 13:55:51,752 --> 13:55:52,653 let's start with 834 13:55:52,719 --> 13:55:53,453 there was 835 13:55:53,520 --> 13:55:54,054 this decision 836 13:55:54,121 --> 13:55:55,322 by the 837 13:55:55,389 --> 13:55:55,856 state Supreme 838 13:55:55,923 --> 13:55:56,757 Court to 839 13:55:56,823 --> 13:55:57,624 hear an appeal 840 13:55:57,691 --> 13:55:59,259 in a 841 13:55:59,326 --> 13:56:00,027 redistricting congressional 842 13:56:00,093 --> 13:56:00,661 redistricting case? 843 13:56:00,727 --> 13:56:01,762 Is this 844 13:56:01,828 --> 13:56:02,429 a big deal 845 13:56:02,496 --> 13:56:03,797 or an 846 13:56:03,864 --> 13:56:06,266 incremental step? >> It's 847 13:56:06,333 --> 13:56:07,801 pretty incremental. 848 13:56:07,868 --> 13:56:08,535 So these are 849 13:56:08,602 --> 13:56:09,570 about the 850 13:56:09,636 --> 13:56:10,637 congressional maps. There's 851 13:56:10,704 --> 13:56:12,172 two of them that have been 852 13:56:12,239 --> 13:56:13,207 two of these appeals 853 13:56:13,273 --> 13:56:14,575 of these 854 13:56:14,641 --> 13:56:15,876 cases challenging the 855 13:56:15,943 --> 13:56:16,944 congressional map 856 13:56:17,010 --> 13:56:18,312 as gerrymandered 857 13:56:18,378 --> 13:56:19,179 for various 858 13:56:19,246 --> 13:56:20,714 reasons, various types 859 13:56:20,781 --> 13:56:22,182 of gerrymandering. 860 13:56:22,249 --> 13:56:23,150 And it 861 13:56:23,217 --> 13:56:23,750 sounds exciting that 862 13:56:23,817 --> 13:56:24,718 it's made 863 13:56:24,785 --> 13:56:26,053 it to the Supreme Court, but all 864 13:56:26,119 --> 13:56:26,987 they're doing in both 865 13:56:27,054 --> 13:56:27,955 situations is 866 13:56:28,021 --> 13:56:29,323 they will be 867 13:56:29,389 --> 13:56:29,790 deciding whether or 868 13:56:29,857 --> 13:56:30,657 not these 869 13:56:30,724 --> 13:56:31,725 three panels 870 13:56:31,792 --> 13:56:33,026 they appointed 871 13:56:33,093 --> 13:56:34,194 were correct 872 13:56:34,261 --> 13:56:35,262 in how they 873 13:56:35,329 --> 13:56:36,430 dismissed these 874 13:56:36,496 --> 13:56:37,531 challenges. And those 875 13:56:37,598 --> 13:56:38,131 panels essentially 876 13:56:38,198 --> 13:56:40,033 said they 877 13:56:40,100 --> 13:56:40,667 dismissed them because don't have 878 13:56:40,734 --> 13:56:41,468 the authority 879 13:56:41,535 --> 13:56:42,836 to overturn the 880 13:56:42,903 --> 13:56:43,770 maps, which 881 13:56:43,837 --> 13:56:44,671 were put 882 13:56:44,738 --> 13:56:45,405 in place by the 883 13:56:45,472 --> 13:56:46,073 Supreme Court. 884 13:56:46,139 --> 13:56:46,807 And a lower 885 13:56:46,874 --> 13:56:47,975 court cannot 886 13:56:48,041 --> 13:56:48,509 overrule higher 887 13:56:48,575 --> 13:56:49,309 court like 888 13:56:49,376 --> 13:56:50,777 that. So 889 13:56:50,844 --> 13:56:51,745 what I've been told 890 13:56:51,812 --> 13:56:52,546 is thatt 891 13:56:52,613 --> 13:56:53,347 probably means 892 13:56:53,413 --> 13:56:54,414 these gol 893 13:56:54,481 --> 13:56:55,582 back through the 894 13:56:55,649 --> 13:56:56,950 court system, back to 895 13:56:57,017 --> 13:56:58,986 the way up.heirs and 896 13:56:59,052 --> 13:57:00,687 But the Supreme justices will have to 897 13:57:00,754 --> 13:57:02,022 decide whether or not these 898 13:57:02,089 --> 13:57:02,623 gerrymandering claims 899 13:57:02,689 --> 13:57:04,191 can even move 900 13:57:04,258 --> 13:57:05,559 forward. that's a 901 13:57:05,626 --> 13:57:06,627 big question. 902 13:57:06,693 --> 13:57:07,661 But in short, 903 13:57:07,728 --> 13:57:08,495 it doesn't 904 13:57:08,562 --> 13:57:09,696 mean there's 905 13:57:09,763 --> 13:57:10,531 likely thatsn't mean 906 13:57:10,597 --> 13:57:11,598 there's going to be 907 13:57:11,665 --> 13:57:12,733 any new map before the 908 13:57:12,799 --> 13:57:13,567 2026 election. 909 13:57:13,634 --> 13:57:14,234 There's just enough 910 13:57:14,301 --> 13:57:14,868 time. >> Okay. 911 13:57:14,935 --> 13:57:15,636 And lightning 912 13:57:15,702 --> 13:57:16,537 round here, you had 913 13:57:16,603 --> 13:57:17,337 a youse 914 13:57:17,404 --> 13:57:18,071 covered on voter 915 13:57:18,138 --> 13:57:18,705 rolls. What 916 13:57:18,772 --> 13:57:20,440 happened there? 917 13:57:21,675 --> 13:57:22,809 >> So the federal government, the Department 918 13:57:22,876 --> 13:57:23,577 of Justice, wants 919 13:57:23,644 --> 13:57:25,045 to get unredacted 920 13:57:25,112 --> 13:57:26,780 voter registration 921 13:57:26,847 --> 13:57:28,182 information from 922 13:57:28,248 --> 13:57:29,249 Wisconsin. And 923 13:57:29,316 --> 13:57:30,384 that includes, 924 13:57:30,450 --> 13:57:31,084 you know, driver's 925 13:57:31,151 --> 13:57:32,019 license numbers 926 13:57:32,085 --> 13:57:33,053 and Social 927 13:57:33,120 --> 13:57:33,620 Security thembers, 928 13:57:33,687 --> 13:57:34,221 last four 929 13:57:34,288 --> 13:57:35,956 digits. The 930 13:57:36,256 --> 13:57:37,457 Elections Commission 931 13:57:37,524 --> 13:57:39,092 hasn't provided that they've 932 13:57:39,159 --> 13:57:39,726 given a different 933 13:57:39,793 --> 13:57:40,494 list that's 934 13:57:40,561 --> 13:57:41,328 publicly available. 935 13:57:41,395 --> 13:57:42,930 But essentially, the case 936 13:57:42,996 --> 13:57:43,931 was dismissed 937 13:57:43,997 --> 13:57:44,698 last month 938 13:57:44,765 --> 13:57:45,532 in federal 939 13:57:45,599 --> 13:57:46,934 court. It's being 940 13:57:47,000 --> 13:57:47,634 appealed. The DOJ 941 13:57:47,701 --> 13:57:48,268 is appealing 942 13:57:48,335 --> 13:57:49,469 it to the 943 13:57:49,536 --> 13:57:50,838 Seventh Circuit. 944 13:57:50,904 --> 13:57:52,573 But again, 945 13:57:53,440 --> 13:57:54,341 it will take a 946 13:57:54,408 --> 13:57:55,542 while. And 947 13:57:55,609 --> 13:57:56,510 there's of thiser examples 948 13:57:56,577 --> 13:57:57,311 around the nation where 949 13:57:57,377 --> 13:57:58,111 the DOJ 950 13:57:58,178 --> 13:57:58,745 has been losing 951 13:57:58,812 --> 13:57:59,913 these cases. 952 13:57:59,980 --> 13:58:01,882 >> One of those to keepave 953 13:58:01,949 --> 13:58:03,884 an eye on and Ana the false 954 13:58:03,951 --> 13:58:04,952 electors case Wisconsin. 955 13:58:05,018 --> 13:58:05,619 What happened 956 13:58:05,686 --> 13:58:06,653 there? >> They 957 13:58:06,720 --> 13:58:07,754 pleaded not 958 13:58:07,821 --> 13:58:08,455 guilty to 959 13:58:08,522 --> 13:58:09,656 11 counts of 960 13:58:09,723 --> 13:58:10,958 felony forgery, 961 13:58:11,024 --> 13:58:12,593 including Wisconsin's own Jim 962 13:58:12,659 --> 13:58:13,193 Troupis. Well, he's 963 13:58:13,260 --> 13:58:13,894 also trying 964 13:58:13,961 --> 13:58:15,429 to casehe 965 13:58:15,495 --> 13:58:16,997 moved out of Andunty Circuit Court. 966 13:58:17,064 --> 13:58:17,898 so that case continues 967 13:58:17,965 --> 13:58:19,299 to unfold. >> All 968 13:58:19,366 --> 13:58:21,335 right. Thank you for keeping an eye 969 13:58:21,401 --> 13:58:23,437 on we havemeat's all 970 13:58:23,504 --> 13:58:25,172 for today. Thanks colleagueus. Our 971 13:58:25,239 --> 13:58:27,574 Zac Schultz will back in a few 972 13:58:27,641 --> 13:58:29,443 weeks. Wisconsin politics. Be 973 13:58:29,510 --> 13:58:31,245 sure wisconsin.org, 974 13:58:31,311 --> 13:58:32,279 WPR.org, YouTube, 975 13:58:32,346 --> 13:58:32,880 or wherever you 976 13:58:32,946 --> 13:58:34,114 get your 977 13:58:34,181 --> 13:58:36,183 podcasts. podcasts.