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Wisconsin's
Democratic

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Democratic
governor and

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Republican
legislative

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leaders
negotiate

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a big
deal

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on
tax

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cuts
and school

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funding,
and

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it blows
up

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in
the

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Wisconsin Senate. What
just

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happened?
Let's talk

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about
it.

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This is
Wisconsin politics.

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I'm
Shawn

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Johnson
here with

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my
colleague

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Zac
Schultz and

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Rich
Kremer

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in Eau
Hey,ire.

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guys.
>> Hello.

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>> Hey,
Shawn.

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>> So we
are

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going to have
plenty of

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time here to
unpack the

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motives of
thel

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players
in this

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drama
that

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unfolded at the
Capitol.

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But
first,

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let's
start

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with
kind of

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what led
to this.

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For people who
every attention to

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twist and
turn

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of
this

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big
deal, we've

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been
it atg

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the
Capitol.

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Zac,
what was

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in this
that was

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negotiated
by

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Democratic Governor Tony
Evers and the

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Republican
legislative

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leaders?
>> Well, the top

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line
billion in it's

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spending,
of it one

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time,
only

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looking at
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projected
surplus that would be

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available
for

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next
year.

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Of
that

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$300 million for
special

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education
fornding

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public
schools,

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that's
Democratic

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priority
for a

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long
time.

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$350
inlion

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rebates
or

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tax
buy downs

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for
property

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taxes
. That would

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go
going to the

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schools, but
that they

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would only use to
reduce property

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taxes,
not

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new
spending.

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And
there were going

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to be
individual

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rebates for
tax

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filers,
300 per

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person,
or

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600
for a

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married
couple.

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And
then

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we see
a match

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to
planederal

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for
no

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taxes on
tips

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and
overtime.

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And
Shawn, a

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month
ago,

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we
asked, what's

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the
possibility that

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this could
actually happen?

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And
my

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answer at the
time

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was,
well, we

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this
timethe only

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it could happen
leaderse three

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that are all
the stage. It's

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legacy
time.

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Well, we
didn't account for

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is
everyone else

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who's
still

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running
for

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reelection
or

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election in
sinking this

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deal?
Three

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legacy
leaders

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getting the
compromise

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wasn't
And toh.

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me, this is a
political Rorschach

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test.
How you

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view
this

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particular
deal

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kind of
matches

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your
view on

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politics
for

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some people
and for

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a lot of ordinary
people around the state,

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this was the epitome
compromise. You

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get a
your one side,

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get a little bit
the other side.

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Everyone
little dissatisfied,

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maybe
goes backyappy.

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to taxpayers. At
time when

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you're
seeing

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the price of gas
the roofugh

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just to fill your,
your tank up.

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And
as

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they're about to
run for

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reelection, those
things that normally

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you'd
pass. Theans

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other
that test

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is political
purity.

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And there are a
of people looking

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at this
goods isn't as

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as I would like
be, and

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I think we can
better when we

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have more
>> So.next

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it
started

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out the
day,

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though,
looked

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like
average

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special
session

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day, like a
that might

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pass.
You

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have
big

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agreement
by the

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leaders, by
Governor Tony

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Evers,
the

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the big
and the big

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Republicans.
You

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had
speeches

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to start
the

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day,
including

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by
Assembly

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Speaker
Robin

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Vos.
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show
weeople that

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listen
and that we are

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willing to act.
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most
importantly,

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that
compromise in

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Wisconsin is
not a

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dead
isord. Compromise

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defined
as

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getting
something that you

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want
by

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giving up something that
your

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partner or
your

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opponent
wants.

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That is
really

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what we did
here.

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We
said.

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>> So that's
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the
kindng game

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of
began.

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Rich.
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were
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watching
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Senate
for a

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long
onime

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Wednesday.
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it
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as the day
sort

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of
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>> It was
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lot of hurry
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So
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not
unusual

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for the
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to
set a

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start
time for

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their
floor

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sessions,
whether it

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be
in a special

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session
a regular

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session,
and

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then
blow

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past
that, that's

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kind
unsurprising.

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But
this

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time we
kept

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getting these
notices

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that, oh,
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going to
be

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at
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actually
five, five,

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45.
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then we
just

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went
with half

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hour
increments,

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you
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six,
637, eight,

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eight,
you

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know,
and on and

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on and on
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They
were, I

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want
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I want to
wasy it

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four hours
that

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they,
it took

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for them
to go

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from
notice,t

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you
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when the
plan

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was to
meet

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at
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and
when they

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actually
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once
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floor,
heard

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some of
complaints from

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Democrats
Republicans

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about this
bill that

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you heard in
the

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Assembly.
The

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opponents
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that
they didn't

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like
process

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of how it
you know,

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thrown
together.

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Senate
Democrats were out

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of the
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etc.
then

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there were
abouterns

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costs
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this being
a

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projected
budget

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surplus,
etc. and how this

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could
plunge

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us
into a

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deficit
the

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coming
budget

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cycle.
>> Yeah. So

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that
night, the

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we
had a very

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unusual
kind of

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play
assembly met

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after waiting
all

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day
to see what the

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Senate was going to
They passed this

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bill in
order.

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The Senate
is

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meeting at
the same

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time,
and

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it's clear
that

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things
You hearere.g

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a speech
from

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Senate
Democratic

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Minority
Leader

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Diane
Hesselbein,

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who made
it clear

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she was
not

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happy with
this

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bill.
>> This

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is a
recklessely

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proposal
stitched

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together in a
backroom

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deal
by three

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people who will
running

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around
and

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won't be
here when the

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consequences of a
multibillion dollar

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deficit
comes

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home to
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It's
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something
I

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can't
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>> In.
This

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bill
actually

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fails
on a vote

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of
15 to 18,

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and
I know

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13:33:53,333 --> 13:33:53,967
people
probably

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13:33:54,034 --> 13:33:54,735
think big
deal

292
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things
pass,

293
13:33:55,502 --> 13:33:56,470
things
fail.

294
13:33:56,537 --> 13:33:57,304
Bills
don't

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actually
get to the

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13:33:57,905 --> 13:33:59,006
point
of

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13:33:59,072 --> 13:34:00,541
failure
hardly

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13:34:00,607 --> 13:34:02,409
ever in
the state

299
13:34:02,476 --> 13:34:04,444
legislature. If
itave the votes,

300
13:34:04,511 --> 13:34:06,079
does not come to
floor, especially something

301
13:34:06,146 --> 13:34:07,614
as big and dramatic
as this.

302
13:34:07,681 --> 13:34:09,249
And
for the

303
13:34:09,316 --> 13:34:10,150
governor to
negotiate

304
13:34:10,217 --> 13:34:11,018
this and
his

305
13:34:11,084 --> 13:34:11,985
Senate
Democrats

306
13:34:12,052 --> 13:34:13,320
stand
unified

307
13:34:13,387 --> 13:34:14,221
against
it

308
13:34:14,288 --> 13:34:15,022
to help
kill

309
13:34:15,088 --> 13:34:16,757
it with a few
Republicans

310
13:34:16,823 --> 13:34:17,391
is
doomething we

311
13:34:17,457 --> 13:34:18,425
not
see every

312
13:34:18,492 --> 13:34:20,260
day.
Zac,

313
13:34:20,327 --> 13:34:21,128
what
do you think

314
13:34:21,195 --> 13:34:22,129
was
motivating Senate

315
13:34:22,196 --> 13:34:23,463
Democrats
here?

316
13:34:23,530 --> 13:34:24,298
>> There's
two

317
13:34:24,364 --> 13:34:25,432
factors.
think.

318
13:34:25,499 --> 13:34:26,400
First is
they

319
13:34:26,466 --> 13:34:27,134
were
insulted. They were left

320
13:34:27,201 --> 13:34:28,168
out of
the loop.

321
13:34:28,235 --> 13:34:29,303
>> That
is huge.

322
13:34:29,369 --> 13:34:30,037
Actually.
>> Every

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13:34:30,103 --> 13:34:31,004
single
time over

324
13:34:31,071 --> 13:34:32,139
the past
few

325
13:34:32,206 --> 13:34:33,207
years
that

326
13:34:33,273 --> 13:34:34,541
they've needed to
bigss a

327
13:34:34,608 --> 13:34:36,243
budget bill,
withecially

328
13:34:36,310 --> 13:34:37,110
Republicans
having

329
13:34:37,177 --> 13:34:38,111
a
majority in the

330
13:34:38,178 --> 13:34:39,112
state
Senate. They've had

331
13:34:39,179 --> 13:34:40,113
two
members that have

332
13:34:40,180 --> 13:34:41,148
voted
against every

333
13:34:41,215 --> 13:34:41,849
bill
that

334
13:34:41,915 --> 13:34:42,583
Senator
Soros

335
13:34:42,649 --> 13:34:43,851
and
Kapenga.

336
13:34:43,917 --> 13:34:44,785
They've
consistently

337
13:34:44,852 --> 13:34:45,519
said,
can't

338
13:34:45,586 --> 13:34:45,953
support
this

339
13:34:46,019 --> 13:34:46,653
extra
spending.

340
13:34:46,720 --> 13:34:47,187
We're
voting

341
13:34:47,254 --> 13:34:48,121
no.
That

342
13:34:48,188 --> 13:34:49,857
means in
practice,

343
13:34:49,923 --> 13:34:50,891
Republicans don't have a
working

344
13:34:50,958 --> 13:34:51,692
majority when
it

345
13:34:51,758 --> 13:34:52,759
comes to
passing that

346
13:34:52,826 --> 13:34:53,560
kind
legislation. They

347
13:34:53,627 --> 13:34:54,895
need
Democratic

348
13:34:54,962 --> 13:34:55,495
votes.
Governor

349
13:34:55,562 --> 13:34:56,263
Evers
knows

350
13:34:56,330 --> 13:34:57,130
that
Senate

351
13:34:57,197 --> 13:34:57,698
majority
LeMahieu knows

352
13:34:57,764 --> 13:34:58,498
that.
Everyone

353
13:34:58,565 --> 13:34:59,600
knows they
atd

354
13:34:59,666 --> 13:35:00,701
least a couple
Democratic

355
13:35:00,767 --> 13:35:01,635
votes, and
probably

356
13:35:01,702 --> 13:35:02,503
more
so.

357
13:35:02,569 --> 13:35:03,237
The fact
that they

358
13:35:03,303 --> 13:35:04,404
were not
consulted did

359
13:35:04,471 --> 13:35:05,539
not have
input on

360
13:35:05,606 --> 13:35:07,274
this
itill and made

361
13:35:07,341 --> 13:35:09,443
clear from the very
first time it was

362
13:35:09,510 --> 13:35:11,211
announced
it showed.ithe

363
13:35:11,278 --> 13:35:13,380
And I think that
showed up in that

364
13:35:13,447 --> 13:35:15,249
long
Assembly hadhe

365
13:35:15,315 --> 13:35:17,251
the votes. It
they were going to

366
13:35:17,317 --> 13:35:18,986
wait
votes had the

367
13:35:19,353 --> 13:35:21,321
in the Senate. And
the second part of

368
13:35:21,388 --> 13:35:22,990
why
in line withrats were

369
13:35:23,056 --> 13:35:24,224
this comes
fall.

370
13:35:24,291 --> 13:35:25,626
And that's
theat

371
13:35:25,692 --> 13:35:26,026
reelection
there. They

372
13:35:26,093 --> 13:35:27,628
are
not

373
13:35:27,694 --> 13:35:28,829
quite
certain,

374
13:35:28,896 --> 13:35:29,997
but
going to f that they're

375
13:35:30,063 --> 13:35:31,732
lip
in thatjority

376
13:35:31,798 --> 13:35:33,734
chamber and that
they come to power

377
13:35:33,800 --> 13:35:35,702
in
not onlyllession,

378
13:35:35,769 --> 13:35:37,771
have a say, they
will be the deciding

379
13:35:37,838 --> 13:35:39,506
factors and how any
are passed and

380
13:35:39,573 --> 13:35:40,307
how budgets
passed.

381
13:35:40,374 --> 13:35:41,775
And so they
can

382
13:35:41,842 --> 13:35:43,844
direct where that money
goes. And if they

383
13:35:43,911 --> 13:35:46,079
think
a Democraticky.

384
13:35:46,146 --> 13:35:47,748
governor and a
they're goingen

385
13:35:47,814 --> 13:35:49,650
to say all
availablell be

386
13:35:49,716 --> 13:35:51,919
for us to spend
in ways that we

387
13:35:51,985 --> 13:35:53,820
prefer
compromise, which is

388
13:35:53,887 --> 13:35:55,589
what
of all thesery

389
13:35:55,656 --> 13:35:56,423
budget surplus
Tony since

390
13:35:56,490 --> 13:35:57,457
Evers has
been

391
13:35:57,524 --> 13:35:58,458
governor. The
thatt

392
13:35:58,525 --> 13:35:59,393
the next
mighttion

393
13:35:59,459 --> 13:35:59,927
bring
better outlook

394
13:35:59,993 --> 13:36:00,427
for
each

395
13:36:00,494 --> 13:36:01,428
of the
sides.

396
13:36:01,495 --> 13:36:02,429
And
decidedve

397
13:36:02,496 --> 13:36:03,297
not to
compromise.

398
13:36:03,363 --> 13:36:04,431
>> And I think
this

399
13:36:04,498 --> 13:36:05,499
was a
case cut

400
13:36:05,566 --> 13:36:07,568
where
circumstances

401
13:36:07,868 --> 13:36:10,003
matter
completely. You know,

402
13:36:10,070 --> 13:36:10,804
if
if

403
13:36:10,871 --> 13:36:11,505
Tony Evers
were

404
13:36:11,572 --> 13:36:12,206
running
for

405
13:36:12,272 --> 13:36:13,006
election
in

406
13:36:13,073 --> 13:36:13,740
November
and he

407
13:36:13,807 --> 13:36:14,741
said, this
is my big

408
13:36:14,808 --> 13:36:15,876
bill,
Democrats,

409
13:36:15,943 --> 13:36:16,510
this is
what

410
13:36:16,577 --> 13:36:17,177
I
tot

411
13:36:17,244 --> 13:36:18,779
run
on.

412
13:36:18,846 --> 13:36:20,080
I mean,
they would have voted.

413
13:36:20,147 --> 13:36:21,682
They
yes. No.e voted

414
13:36:21,748 --> 13:36:22,649
Republicans probably
wouldn't have

415
13:36:22,716 --> 13:36:24,418
brought it
in that case.

416
13:36:24,484 --> 13:36:26,086
So, you know,
a it's a theoretical

417
13:36:26,153 --> 13:36:26,987
exercise. But but
Senate

418
13:36:27,054 --> 13:36:27,955
Democrats,
I'm

419
13:36:28,021 --> 13:36:28,388
confident,
have been

420
13:36:28,455 --> 13:36:29,056
with
him.

421
13:36:29,122 --> 13:36:29,957
He is
not

422
13:36:30,023 --> 13:36:30,691
on
the ballot,

423
13:36:30,757 --> 13:36:31,692
though,
this

424
13:36:31,758 --> 13:36:32,392
November,
as

425
13:36:32,459 --> 13:36:33,393
Diane
Hesselbein

426
13:36:33,460 --> 13:36:34,995
noted,
and

427
13:36:35,062 --> 13:36:36,330
Senate
Democrats are

428
13:36:36,396 --> 13:36:37,898
poised
to.

429
13:36:37,965 --> 13:36:38,665
They
think,

430
13:36:38,732 --> 13:36:40,200
take that
majority.

431
13:36:40,267 --> 13:36:40,901
She has
essentially been

432
13:36:40,968 --> 13:36:41,935
a co
majority leader on

433
13:36:42,002 --> 13:36:43,670
some
the big bills

434
13:36:43,937 --> 13:36:45,539
that have
this year,eh

435
13:36:45,606 --> 13:36:46,440
from the budget
gambling.

436
13:36:46,507 --> 13:36:47,241
And
so to

437
13:36:47,307 --> 13:36:47,674
freeze
them

438
13:36:47,741 --> 13:36:48,809
out
of

439
13:36:48,876 --> 13:36:50,110
talks
this, which

440
13:36:50,177 --> 13:36:52,145
is the way
they viewed it, certainly.

441
13:36:52,212 --> 13:36:53,413
And to end
up

442
13:36:53,480 --> 13:36:54,948
with a bill
was pretty

443
13:36:55,015 --> 13:36:56,450
Republican
nature, was about

444
13:36:56,517 --> 13:36:57,484
a
in tax and a half

445
13:36:57,551 --> 13:36:59,052
cuts,
was

446
13:36:59,119 --> 13:36:59,620
not
something

447
13:36:59,686 --> 13:37:01,355
that
they

448
13:37:01,955 --> 13:37:03,490
enjoyed, you
>> Well, and

449
13:37:03,557 --> 13:37:05,459
don't forget,
when itr factor

450
13:37:05,526 --> 13:37:07,261
comes to everyone
at the next budget

451
13:37:07,327 --> 13:37:09,229
the next year. And
there's a

452
13:37:09,296 --> 13:37:11,465
lot of people who
think we may be

453
13:37:11,532 --> 13:37:13,400
looking
most ofSocession.

454
13:37:13,467 --> 13:37:15,335
this surplus is a
projection of what the

455
13:37:15,402 --> 13:37:17,571
economy is going to
in for tax

456
13:37:17,638 --> 13:37:19,506
revenues. If
downturn in the

457
13:37:19,573 --> 13:37:21,241
next six
disappears all by

458
13:37:21,308 --> 13:37:21,975
itself
having been

459
13:37:22,042 --> 13:37:22,976
sent
you So

460
13:37:23,043 --> 13:37:24,044
send it
Even.

461
13:37:24,111 --> 13:37:25,078
though most of
this

462
13:37:25,145 --> 13:37:25,879
is
spending,

463
13:37:25,946 --> 13:37:26,313
it may
not

464
13:37:26,380 --> 13:37:27,147
be
there

465
13:37:27,214 --> 13:37:28,282
next
year.

466
13:37:28,348 --> 13:37:29,216
Now,
say even

467
13:37:29,283 --> 13:37:30,450
in the
oforst

468
13:37:30,517 --> 13:37:31,585
circumstances, at least
the

469
13:37:31,652 --> 13:37:33,654
state will have a
little bit money to

470
13:37:33,720 --> 13:37:35,622
start
isith. So that

471
13:37:35,989 --> 13:37:37,691
a legitimate concern
prices andg

472
13:37:37,758 --> 13:37:39,493
grocery prices
now. And with no

473
13:37:39,560 --> 13:37:41,361
end to a war
the Iran, that

474
13:37:41,428 --> 13:37:42,629
economy could
shift and

475
13:37:42,696 --> 13:37:44,565
go down and these
revenues may not

476
13:37:44,631 --> 13:37:46,233
materialize.
>> Rich

477
13:37:46,300 --> 13:37:46,867
Senate
Democrats

478
13:37:46,934 --> 13:37:47,734
don't have
this

479
13:37:47,801 --> 13:37:48,902
power. If
Republicans

480
13:37:48,969 --> 13:37:49,870
just stick
together and

481
13:37:49,937 --> 13:37:51,171
all their
members

482
13:37:51,238 --> 13:37:52,472
vote
for the

483
13:37:52,539 --> 13:37:53,507
bill
negotiated by

484
13:37:53,574 --> 13:37:54,508
their
Deviner,

485
13:37:54,575 --> 13:37:55,242
LeMahieu
and

486
13:37:55,309 --> 13:37:55,976
Assembly
Speaker

487
13:37:56,043 --> 13:37:56,710
Robin Vos.
In

488
13:37:56,777 --> 13:37:57,845
fact,
Assembly,

489
13:37:57,911 --> 13:37:58,378
all the
Republicans

490
13:37:58,445 --> 13:37:59,213
did
stick

491
13:37:59,279 --> 13:37:59,847
together,
and they

492
13:37:59,913 --> 13:38:00,547
voted
for

493
13:38:00,614 --> 13:38:01,348
that
bill.

494
13:38:01,415 --> 13:38:02,082
So
gonet's

495
13:38:02,149 --> 13:38:03,083
on in
the Senate

496
13:38:03,150 --> 13:38:03,917
with
few

497
13:38:03,984 --> 13:38:05,052
Republicans
there who

498
13:38:05,118 --> 13:38:06,220
decided,
yeah, we're

499
13:38:06,286 --> 13:38:08,288
just
going to do this.

500
13:38:09,323 --> 13:38:10,357
>> Well,
what was

501
13:38:10,424 --> 13:38:10,891
surprising is
that

502
13:38:10,958 --> 13:38:12,392
two
of

503
13:38:12,459 --> 13:38:13,126
the three Republicans that
voted

504
13:38:13,193 --> 13:38:14,962
against
this

505
13:38:15,028 --> 13:38:15,762
proposal,
runningnot

506
13:38:15,829 --> 13:38:16,330
for
reelection. So

507
13:38:16,396 --> 13:38:17,130
maybe
that

508
13:38:17,197 --> 13:38:17,798
made them
feel

509
13:38:17,865 --> 13:38:18,899
freer
to

510
13:38:18,966 --> 13:38:19,600
speak their
mind.

511
13:38:19,666 --> 13:38:20,801
But
Zac

512
13:38:20,868 --> 13:38:21,935
mentioned,
you've

513
13:38:22,002 --> 13:38:23,403
also
Senator

514
13:38:23,470 --> 13:38:24,638
Steve Nosse
one

515
13:38:24,705 --> 13:38:25,706
of them, and he's
pretty well

516
13:38:25,772 --> 13:38:26,473
known
for

517
13:38:26,540 --> 13:38:28,108
voting
against

518
13:38:28,175 --> 13:38:29,009
especially
spending,

519
13:38:29,076 --> 13:38:29,676
you know,
large

520
13:38:29,743 --> 13:38:31,445
spending
packages.

521
13:38:31,512 --> 13:38:33,247
So
it

522
13:38:33,313 --> 13:38:34,381
seems
like

523
13:38:34,448 --> 13:38:35,182
Devin
LeMahieu

524
13:38:35,249 --> 13:38:35,983
didn't
have the sort

525
13:38:36,049 --> 13:38:37,317
of
control over his

526
13:38:37,384 --> 13:38:37,885
caucus
that

527
13:38:37,951 --> 13:38:38,886
Robin
Vos

528
13:38:38,952 --> 13:38:40,187
did in the
Assembly.

529
13:38:40,254 --> 13:38:40,854
That's
been

530
13:38:40,921 --> 13:38:41,955
pretty
obvious,

531
13:38:42,022 --> 13:38:42,689
given
past

532
13:38:42,756 --> 13:38:43,357
bills,
where you

533
13:38:43,423 --> 13:38:44,258
need
a

534
13:38:44,324 --> 13:38:45,459
Democratic
support

535
13:38:45,526 --> 13:38:46,560
to
get

536
13:38:46,627 --> 13:38:47,995
them over the finish
line.

537
13:38:48,061 --> 13:38:48,862
But
what's

538
13:38:48,929 --> 13:38:49,863
also been
really

539
13:38:49,930 --> 13:38:51,064
interesting
is

540
13:38:51,131 --> 13:38:52,633
seeing
Republicans

541
13:38:52,699 --> 13:38:53,567
attacking
Republicans

542
13:38:53,634 --> 13:38:55,302
after the
fact.

543
13:38:55,569 --> 13:38:56,904
So
in

544
13:38:56,970 --> 13:38:57,905
particular,
Vannator

545
13:38:57,971 --> 13:38:59,640
Wanggaard,
who is

546
13:38:59,973 --> 13:39:01,441
retiring,
he

547
13:39:01,508 --> 13:39:02,543
went on
social

548
13:39:02,609 --> 13:39:04,178
media
billerwards after the

549
13:39:04,244 --> 13:39:04,645
failed
and

550
13:39:04,711 --> 13:39:05,345
said
it

551
13:39:05,412 --> 13:39:06,446
was
forod deal

552
13:39:06,513 --> 13:39:07,080
Wisconsin.
But,

553
13:39:07,147 --> 13:39:07,848
you
know,

554
13:39:07,915 --> 13:39:08,916
every
dem

555
13:39:08,982 --> 13:39:09,616
and
nose

556
13:39:09,683 --> 13:39:11,051
and
Kapenga

557
13:39:11,118 --> 13:39:11,952
and
Rob

558
13:39:12,019 --> 13:39:12,886
Hutton
wanted to

559
13:39:12,953 --> 13:39:13,720
spend
more

560
13:39:13,787 --> 13:39:14,821
and keep
more of

561
13:39:14,888 --> 13:39:15,722
your
you'veSo

562
13:39:15,789 --> 13:39:16,156
got a
Republican

563
13:39:16,223 --> 13:39:17,291
saying
that

564
13:39:17,357 --> 13:39:18,292
Steve Nosse
wants

565
13:39:18,358 --> 13:39:19,092
to
yourp

566
13:39:19,159 --> 13:39:20,194
tax
dollars

567
13:39:20,260 --> 13:39:20,727
from from
you,

568
13:39:20,794 --> 13:39:21,695
which
is

569
13:39:21,762 --> 13:39:23,463
pretty
interesting in

570
13:39:23,530 --> 13:39:24,331
the
scheme of

571
13:39:24,398 --> 13:39:25,866
things.
But

572
13:39:25,933 --> 13:39:27,768
you
had

573
13:39:27,835 --> 13:39:29,136
Democrats
kind of

574
13:39:29,203 --> 13:39:29,803
saying
good

575
13:39:29,870 --> 13:39:30,571
riddance,
Tony

576
13:39:30,637 --> 13:39:31,271
Evers.
I mean,

577
13:39:31,338 --> 13:39:32,539
it's
just

578
13:39:32,606 --> 13:39:34,441
really
fascinating

579
13:39:34,508 --> 13:39:35,309
to
see

580
13:39:35,375 --> 13:39:35,909
this
breakdown.

581
13:39:35,976 --> 13:39:36,677
It's
it's

582
13:39:36,743 --> 13:39:37,544
just
unlike

583
13:39:37,611 --> 13:39:38,111
anything
evere

584
13:39:38,178 --> 13:39:39,279
seen.
And I

585
13:39:39,346 --> 13:39:40,214
wanted to
ask both

586
13:39:40,280 --> 13:39:41,648
of you,
Shawn,

587
13:39:41,715 --> 13:39:42,416
how
many

588
13:39:42,482 --> 13:39:43,217
times in
your

589
13:39:43,283 --> 13:39:43,851
careers
you

590
13:39:43,917 --> 13:39:44,718
seen
a

591
13:39:44,785 --> 13:39:46,420
bill
Youss?

592
13:39:46,486 --> 13:39:48,222
know, this
withd of bill

593
13:39:48,288 --> 13:39:50,157
this kind of build
where you would

594
13:39:50,224 --> 13:39:52,125
expect the
have to be there

595
13:39:52,192 --> 13:39:54,294
before it gets to
to avoidor

596
13:39:54,361 --> 13:39:56,163
embarrassment. How
have you seen it

597
13:39:56,230 --> 13:39:58,232
clear one chamber and
die in the

598
13:39:58,298 --> 13:39:59,800
Senate?
thought rare. I

599
13:39:59,867 --> 13:40:00,767
of a couple.
One,

600
13:40:00,834 --> 13:40:01,768
the
vote

601
13:40:01,835 --> 13:40:02,769
on
state

602
13:40:02,836 --> 13:40:04,037
employee
contracts

603
13:40:04,104 --> 13:40:05,706
ahead
of

604
13:40:05,772 --> 13:40:07,307
when
Scott Walker took

605
13:40:07,374 --> 13:40:08,742
office.
>> Another one that

606
13:40:08,809 --> 13:40:10,944
featured lame ducks.
It did. I mean,

607
13:40:11,011 --> 13:40:12,713
this
end hereuff happens

608
13:40:12,779 --> 13:40:13,947
when everybody's
hastion

609
13:40:14,014 --> 13:40:15,482
changed.
Circumstances

610
13:40:15,549 --> 13:40:16,517
matter.
But

611
13:40:16,583 --> 13:40:17,651
you
had

612
13:40:17,718 --> 13:40:19,152
the
Assembly

613
13:40:19,219 --> 13:40:19,953
Democrats
passed

614
13:40:20,020 --> 13:40:21,021
new
contracts for

615
13:40:21,088 --> 13:40:22,022
state
employees.

616
13:40:22,089 --> 13:40:22,789
The
thought was

617
13:40:22,856 --> 13:40:23,824
that that would
protect

618
13:40:23,891 --> 13:40:25,125
them.
When

619
13:40:25,192 --> 13:40:26,293
Scott Walker
office

620
13:40:26,360 --> 13:40:27,127
and
Senate

621
13:40:27,194 --> 13:40:27,861
Democrats,
led

622
13:40:27,928 --> 13:40:28,862
by
Russ

623
13:40:28,929 --> 13:40:29,663
Decker
and

624
13:40:29,730 --> 13:40:30,397
Senator
Jeff

625
13:40:30,464 --> 13:40:31,431
Haley at the
time,

626
13:40:31,498 --> 13:40:32,266
voted no,
and

627
13:40:32,332 --> 13:40:33,400
they failed.
So it

628
13:40:33,467 --> 13:40:34,168
has
Another one

629
13:40:34,234 --> 13:40:34,768
on
ethanol

630
13:40:34,835 --> 13:40:36,703
mandate way
likek in

631
13:40:36,770 --> 13:40:37,538
2006,
I

632
13:40:37,604 --> 13:40:38,071
think.
But

633
13:40:38,138 --> 13:40:39,339
it
is

634
13:40:39,406 --> 13:40:40,340
pretty
sparse

635
13:40:40,407 --> 13:40:41,208
the
way

636
13:40:41,275 --> 13:40:42,209
this stuff
happens.

637
13:40:42,276 --> 13:40:42,876
>> But it
does

638
13:40:42,943 --> 13:40:43,777
point
out

639
13:40:43,844 --> 13:40:44,378
exactly what
we're

640
13:40:44,444 --> 13:40:45,913
talking
about.

641
13:40:45,979 --> 13:40:47,014
Once a
politician is

642
13:40:47,080 --> 13:40:48,949
no longer
running for

643
13:40:49,016 --> 13:40:50,484
reelection, they become a
lame duck. They lose

644
13:40:50,551 --> 13:40:51,652
a lot
control.

645
13:40:51,718 --> 13:40:52,486
What's most
impressive about

646
13:40:52,553 --> 13:40:53,554
all of
this is

647
13:40:53,620 --> 13:40:54,521
Robin Vos
hislding

648
13:40:54,588 --> 13:40:55,355
entire
caucus

649
13:40:55,422 --> 13:40:56,690
together,
even though

650
13:40:56,757 --> 13:40:57,691
he's going
beo

651
13:40:57,758 --> 13:40:58,392
exiting
stage

652
13:40:58,458 --> 13:40:59,493
right,
he

653
13:40:59,560 --> 13:41:00,160
still
has enough

654
13:41:00,227 --> 13:41:00,561
to
keep

655
13:41:00,627 --> 13:41:01,795
his
chamber

656
13:41:01,862 --> 13:41:03,063
together.
Senate

657
13:41:03,130 --> 13:41:04,331
Senator
really never

658
13:41:04,398 --> 13:41:05,933
had firm
control over

659
13:41:05,999 --> 13:41:06,400
Republicans in
the Senate.

660
13:41:06,466 --> 13:41:06,967
That's
always

661
13:41:07,034 --> 13:41:07,968
been called
herding

662
13:41:08,035 --> 13:41:08,602
cats
there. So

663
13:41:08,669 --> 13:41:09,703
that's
terribly

664
13:41:09,770 --> 13:41:10,904
surprised.
andpenga

665
13:41:10,971 --> 13:41:11,672
Soros have
quite it

666
13:41:11,738 --> 13:41:12,806
clear.
But

667
13:41:12,873 --> 13:41:13,941
all of
these

668
13:41:14,007 --> 13:41:14,675
people
leaving

669
13:41:14,741 --> 13:41:15,409
office
really

670
13:41:15,475 --> 13:41:16,210
gives
people a

671
13:41:16,276 --> 13:41:17,511
lot
freedom to

672
13:41:17,578 --> 13:41:18,979
think about
interests next

673
13:41:19,046 --> 13:41:20,113
year,
completely

674
13:41:20,180 --> 13:41:20,781
aside from
what

675
13:41:20,848 --> 13:41:21,748
you would
expect in

676
13:41:21,815 --> 13:41:23,050
the typical
bill

677
13:41:23,116 --> 13:41:24,017
process.
>> Yeah.

678
13:41:24,084 --> 13:41:24,952
Steve Nash, I
mean,

679
13:41:25,018 --> 13:41:26,019
has been a
thorn

680
13:41:26,086 --> 13:41:27,354
in the
side to

681
13:41:27,421 --> 13:41:27,955
leadership for
his

682
13:41:28,021 --> 13:41:29,690
entire
career,

683
13:41:29,756 --> 13:41:30,958
basically,
Unapologetically the part

684
13:41:31,024 --> 13:41:32,025
at
I've

685
13:41:32,092 --> 13:41:33,427
observed
Andyway.

686
13:41:33,493 --> 13:41:33,961
can you
imagine him

687
13:41:34,027 --> 13:41:34,728
on
his

688
13:41:34,795 --> 13:41:36,129
last
vote

689
13:41:36,196 --> 13:41:37,164
ever in the
legislature

690
13:41:37,231 --> 13:41:38,031
saying, you
know, I'll

691
13:41:38,098 --> 13:41:39,433
take one on
the

692
13:41:39,499 --> 13:41:41,001
I'll take one for
for Robin

693
13:41:41,068 --> 13:41:41,635
Vos. I
mean,

694
13:41:41,702 --> 13:41:42,436
I
think it's

695
13:41:42,503 --> 13:41:43,303
pretty
predictable

696
13:41:43,370 --> 13:41:45,172
that he was
to be a no

697
13:41:45,639 --> 13:41:47,474
vote. But
Assemblyck where

698
13:41:47,541 --> 13:41:48,575
Republicans were
and why they

699
13:41:48,642 --> 13:41:50,210
decided
we're going to take

700
13:41:50,277 --> 13:41:51,211
this vote, because I
think

701
13:41:51,278 --> 13:41:52,412
by
the

702
13:41:52,479 --> 13:41:53,013
time
that

703
13:41:53,080 --> 13:41:54,248
they
both

704
13:41:54,314 --> 13:41:55,382
chambers
got to

705
13:41:55,449 --> 13:41:56,350
voting at
night, I

706
13:41:56,416 --> 13:41:57,251
bet you
Assembly

707
13:41:57,317 --> 13:41:58,185
Republicans
knew darn

708
13:41:58,252 --> 13:41:59,520
well
this thing was going

709
13:41:59,586 --> 13:42:00,587
to fail
in the

710
13:42:00,654 --> 13:42:01,388
state
andnate,

711
13:42:01,455 --> 13:42:02,489
they
thisted to take

712
13:42:02,556 --> 13:42:03,590
vote
anyway.

713
13:42:03,657 --> 13:42:04,825
Why?
>> Because

714
13:42:04,892 --> 13:42:05,859
they're all
for

715
13:42:05,926 --> 13:42:06,960
reelection this
fall.

716
13:42:07,027 --> 13:42:08,195
Everyone
that's not

717
13:42:08,262 --> 13:42:08,929
retiring
has

718
13:42:08,996 --> 13:42:09,663
an
absolute

719
13:42:09,730 --> 13:42:10,631
desire
to go

720
13:42:10,697 --> 13:42:11,365
back to their
constituents

721
13:42:11,431 --> 13:42:12,366
and
say,

722
13:42:12,432 --> 13:42:13,700
I
willing to put

723
13:42:13,767 --> 13:42:14,301
$300 in
your

724
13:42:14,368 --> 13:42:15,135
pocket.
I

725
13:42:15,202 --> 13:42:16,203
was willing
to

726
13:42:16,270 --> 13:42:18,138
give more to the
was willing

727
13:42:18,205 --> 13:42:19,173
to lower your
taxes. It's

728
13:42:19,239 --> 13:42:20,140
not my
fault this

729
13:42:20,207 --> 13:42:20,874
failed.
That

730
13:42:20,941 --> 13:42:22,009
does bring
us around

731
13:42:22,075 --> 13:42:23,110
to
interesting

732
13:42:23,177 --> 13:42:23,977
calculations that
we're

733
13:42:24,044 --> 13:42:24,912
looking at,
especially on

734
13:42:24,978 --> 13:42:25,979
the Democratic
side.

735
13:42:26,046 --> 13:42:27,514
So
of the

736
13:42:27,581 --> 13:42:29,716
people I was
who'seff Smith,

737
13:42:29,783 --> 13:42:31,451
a Democratic senator.
leader.sistant majority

738
13:42:31,518 --> 13:42:33,453
So he's pretty high
ranking in his caucus.

739
13:42:33,520 --> 13:42:34,988
He's
controltheyve

740
13:42:35,055 --> 13:42:35,722
the chamber.
He

741
13:42:35,789 --> 13:42:36,523
voted
no on this.

742
13:42:36,590 --> 13:42:38,325
His
staffers tell me he

743
13:42:38,392 --> 13:42:39,393
was no
time, mainly for

744
13:42:39,459 --> 13:42:40,694
the
structural deficit

745
13:42:40,761 --> 13:42:42,129
concerns.
But

746
13:42:42,196 --> 13:42:42,930
within
his

747
13:42:42,996 --> 13:42:43,931
district,
one of the

748
13:42:43,997 --> 13:42:44,631
Assembly
Democrats,

749
13:42:44,698 --> 13:42:45,332
Jodi
Emerson,

750
13:42:45,399 --> 13:42:46,166
voted
yes.

751
13:42:46,233 --> 13:42:47,267
You go
south from

752
13:42:47,334 --> 13:42:48,235
there into
Crosse.

753
13:42:48,302 --> 13:42:48,936
Brad
Pfaff in

754
13:42:49,002 --> 13:42:49,536
the
Senate

755
13:42:49,603 --> 13:42:50,537
voted
no

756
13:42:50,604 --> 13:42:51,104
within his
district,

757
13:42:51,171 --> 13:42:51,872
Joe
Billings

758
13:42:51,939 --> 13:42:52,539
and
Steve Doyle,

759
13:42:52,606 --> 13:42:53,273
two
Assembly

760
13:42:53,340 --> 13:42:54,141
Democrats
in

761
13:42:54,208 --> 13:42:54,708
competitive
districts,

762
13:42:54,775 --> 13:42:55,342
both both
voted

763
13:42:55,409 --> 13:42:56,210
yes
in the

764
13:42:56,276 --> 13:42:57,611
Assembly.
They

765
13:42:57,678 --> 13:42:59,346
understand what it's
to go back

766
13:42:59,413 --> 13:43:01,582
to the voters
have to say, oh,

767
13:43:01,648 --> 13:43:03,517
no, I
we'll spendse

768
13:43:03,584 --> 13:43:05,419
it better next
feelingeople are

769
13:43:05,485 --> 13:43:07,621
the pinch. Right
there's a lot of

770
13:43:07,688 --> 13:43:09,556
political calculations that
go into some of these

771
13:43:09,623 --> 13:43:11,558
moves,
team doesng unified

772
13:43:11,625 --> 13:43:13,293
help. We also saw
another state Senate race.

773
13:43:13,360 --> 13:43:14,228
Howard Marklein voted
yes.

774
13:43:14,294 --> 13:43:15,262
He's in a
competitive

775
13:43:15,329 --> 13:43:16,597
district.
Jenna

776
13:43:16,663 --> 13:43:17,297
Jacobson,
demAssembly

777
13:43:17,364 --> 13:43:17,698
who's
running

778
13:43:17,764 --> 13:43:18,465
against
him,

779
13:43:18,532 --> 13:43:19,166
also
voted

780
13:43:19,233 --> 13:43:19,766
yes. It
would

781
13:43:19,833 --> 13:43:20,968
put her
a terrible

782
13:43:21,034 --> 13:43:22,135
position.
Easy

783
13:43:22,202 --> 13:43:23,170
marketing for
if she voted

784
13:43:23,237 --> 13:43:24,137
no on
deal.

785
13:43:24,204 --> 13:43:24,805
So
some

786
13:43:24,872 --> 13:43:26,006
of
tohis has

787
13:43:26,073 --> 13:43:27,441
be political
maneuvering.

788
13:43:27,508 --> 13:43:29,042
>> And,
you

789
13:43:29,109 --> 13:43:30,844
know, I think
could look at this

790
13:43:30,911 --> 13:43:32,145
bill
potentially

791
13:43:32,212 --> 13:43:33,080
it's a
little

792
13:43:33,146 --> 13:43:33,680
gimmicky,
You're?

793
13:43:33,747 --> 13:43:35,282
going to
spend

794
13:43:35,349 --> 13:43:36,483
almost
$900 million

795
13:43:36,550 --> 13:43:37,651
just on
these

796
13:43:37,718 --> 13:43:38,318
$300 checks,
and

797
13:43:38,385 --> 13:43:39,286
it's
gone.to be

798
13:43:39,353 --> 13:43:40,187
You
youd

799
13:43:40,254 --> 13:43:40,821
have
lawmakers

800
13:43:40,888 --> 13:43:41,555
on the
record

801
13:43:41,622 --> 13:43:43,023
from both
parties

802
13:43:43,090 --> 13:43:43,790
for
bills like

803
13:43:43,857 --> 13:43:45,058
this in
past saying,

804
13:43:45,125 --> 13:43:46,293
oh,
gimmick. We

805
13:43:46,360 --> 13:43:47,628
can't do
that.

806
13:43:47,694 --> 13:43:48,262
But
do you

807
13:43:48,328 --> 13:43:48,762
want
to

808
13:43:48,829 --> 13:43:49,997
be
sidech

809
13:43:50,063 --> 13:43:52,232
of that gimmick do
want to be

810
13:43:52,299 --> 13:43:54,001
on when you're
Andors in November?

811
13:43:54,067 --> 13:43:54,835
people are struggling
costs?

812
13:43:54,902 --> 13:43:56,336
It's a
popular

813
13:43:56,403 --> 13:43:57,037
kind of
bill,

814
13:43:57,104 --> 13:43:57,671
giving
people

815
13:43:57,738 --> 13:43:58,472
money
and

816
13:43:58,539 --> 13:43:59,173
saying that
you

817
13:43:59,239 --> 13:44:00,407
work together with
the

818
13:44:00,474 --> 13:44:02,543
other side.
Shawn, let's look at

819
13:44:02,609 --> 13:44:04,611
the outside players in
because Tom

820
13:44:04,678 --> 13:44:06,113
Tiffany was a
seenthis. I've

821
13:44:06,180 --> 13:44:06,880
some
Republicans

822
13:44:06,947 --> 13:44:07,714
online
saying he would

823
13:44:07,781 --> 13:44:09,716
have
been better off being

824
13:44:09,783 --> 13:44:11,285
quiet,
Instead, he.

825
13:44:11,351 --> 13:44:12,152
did come out
against

826
13:44:12,219 --> 13:44:12,886
this bill
, and

827
13:44:12,953 --> 13:44:14,188
he
was on the

828
13:44:14,254 --> 13:44:15,489
record
to at least

829
13:44:15,556 --> 13:44:16,456
one state
senator who

830
13:44:16,523 --> 13:44:17,925
did vote for it,
but

831
13:44:17,991 --> 13:44:18,759
weighing in on
his

832
13:44:18,825 --> 13:44:19,426
concerns
about this

833
13:44:19,493 --> 13:44:20,394
bill.
you do

834
13:44:20,460 --> 13:44:21,328
make of that?
>>

835
13:44:21,395 --> 13:44:22,696
Yeah,
from a

836
13:44:22,763 --> 13:44:24,031
practical
perspective, I

837
13:44:24,097 --> 13:44:24,932
get it from
a

838
13:44:24,998 --> 13:44:25,699
political
perspective,

839
13:44:25,766 --> 13:44:26,900
I
not I

840
13:44:26,967 --> 13:44:27,534
don't
understand

841
13:44:27,601 --> 13:44:28,335
what he
was

842
13:44:28,402 --> 13:44:29,102
doing.
What I

843
13:44:29,169 --> 13:44:30,337
mean is,
from a

844
13:44:30,404 --> 13:44:31,205
practical
perspective, if

845
13:44:31,271 --> 13:44:32,372
Tom
thinks he's going

846
13:44:32,439 --> 13:44:33,774
to be
thennor,

847
13:44:33,841 --> 13:44:34,441
I bet
he

848
13:44:34,508 --> 13:44:35,542
wants to
either

849
13:44:35,609 --> 13:44:36,176
have that
money

850
13:44:36,243 --> 13:44:36,577
in
there

851
13:44:36,643 --> 13:44:37,811
so
that he

852
13:44:37,878 --> 13:44:38,679
doesn't take
office with

853
13:44:38,745 --> 13:44:39,446
the
deficit,

854
13:44:39,513 --> 13:44:40,681
or
if the

855
13:44:40,747 --> 13:44:41,615
economy does,
okay,

856
13:44:41,682 --> 13:44:42,149
maybe
wants

857
13:44:42,216 --> 13:44:42,649
to
come in

858
13:44:42,716 --> 13:44:43,784
as
governor

859
13:44:43,851 --> 13:44:44,518
and
throw

860
13:44:44,585 --> 13:44:45,219
a
special

861
13:44:45,285 --> 13:44:46,153
session
for

862
13:44:46,220 --> 13:44:47,054
a
Tom

863
13:44:47,120 --> 13:44:47,688
Tiffany
tax

864
13:44:47,754 --> 13:44:49,323
cut,
not a

865
13:44:49,389 --> 13:44:50,657
Tony
cut. tax

866
13:44:50,724 --> 13:44:51,959
You know,
right.ed off

867
13:44:52,025 --> 13:44:52,926
From
a

868
13:44:52,993 --> 13:44:53,827
political
perspective, I

869
13:44:53,894 --> 13:44:54,595
don't
know

870
13:44:54,661 --> 13:44:55,729
why you
come out

871
13:44:55,796 --> 13:44:56,230
against
this.

872
13:44:56,296 --> 13:44:57,164
I
just

873
13:44:57,231 --> 13:44:57,764
don't
likes

874
13:44:57,831 --> 13:44:59,499
a
theoretical

875
13:45:00,367 --> 13:45:02,102
exercise
because you're not in

876
13:45:02,169 --> 13:45:02,469
there
voting,

877
13:45:02,536 --> 13:45:03,203
but like,
why

878
13:45:03,270 --> 13:45:04,304
come
in

879
13:45:04,371 --> 13:45:05,339
against a
big

880
13:45:05,405 --> 13:45:06,039
tax
cut

881
13:45:06,106 --> 13:45:07,107
and
why

882
13:45:07,174 --> 13:45:08,342
why
attack

883
13:45:08,408 --> 13:45:08,909
Tony
like

884
13:45:08,976 --> 13:45:09,676
he's not
on

885
13:45:09,743 --> 13:45:10,644
the
ballot. All

886
13:45:10,711 --> 13:45:11,545
these
who areats

887
13:45:11,612 --> 13:45:12,079
also
against this

888
13:45:12,145 --> 13:45:13,113
bill
might

889
13:45:13,180 --> 13:45:13,847
be
against you

890
13:45:13,914 --> 13:45:15,516
in
November.

891
13:45:15,582 --> 13:45:17,251
So
how do you

892
13:45:17,618 --> 13:45:18,719
differentiate
differentiate

893
13:45:18,785 --> 13:45:20,120
yourself
byere

894
13:45:20,187 --> 13:45:20,921
agreeing
with

895
13:45:20,988 --> 13:45:21,522
them. I'm
not

896
13:45:21,588 --> 13:45:22,689
sure.
Now,

897
13:45:22,756 --> 13:45:23,323
Rich, one
question

898
13:45:23,390 --> 13:45:24,858
I
had for you

899
13:45:24,925 --> 13:45:26,360
that
throughouttes on

900
13:45:26,426 --> 13:45:26,894
the night
was,

901
13:45:26,960 --> 13:45:27,794
will
voters

902
13:45:27,861 --> 13:45:28,395
actually
remember

903
13:45:28,462 --> 13:45:29,129
this?
Like,

904
13:45:29,196 --> 13:45:30,230
will
anybody

905
13:45:30,297 --> 13:45:31,665
be
rewarded or

906
13:45:31,732 --> 13:45:33,400
punished?
>> You

907
13:45:34,568 --> 13:45:35,402
know,
that's

908
13:45:35,469 --> 13:45:37,137
that's
question.

909
13:45:38,238 --> 13:45:38,939
You
all of

910
13:45:39,006 --> 13:45:39,606
what
you're saying

911
13:45:39,673 --> 13:45:40,474
makes
sense

912
13:45:40,541 --> 13:45:41,808
to
me,

913
13:45:41,875 --> 13:45:42,543
someone
been's

914
13:45:42,609 --> 13:45:43,143
really
following

915
13:45:43,210 --> 13:45:44,144
this.
But,

916
13:45:44,211 --> 13:45:45,145
you know,
I

917
13:45:45,212 --> 13:45:45,913
also
remember being

918
13:45:45,979 --> 13:45:46,880
at
a

919
13:45:46,947 --> 13:45:47,814
Supreme
Court

920
13:45:47,881 --> 13:45:49,049
election
and at event

921
13:45:49,116 --> 13:45:50,517
fellow at the
hotel

922
13:45:50,584 --> 13:45:52,386
not knowing there was
election that day.

923
13:45:52,452 --> 13:45:54,121
So
always I'mpart

924
13:45:54,188 --> 13:45:55,289
skeptical that this
sort

925
13:45:55,355 --> 13:45:56,390
of thing will stick
voters

926
13:45:56,456 --> 13:45:57,424
mind.
It's

927
13:45:57,491 --> 13:45:58,458
different,
guess, if

928
13:45:58,525 --> 13:45:59,560
you're getting
your door

929
13:45:59,626 --> 13:46:00,627
knocked
consistently

930
13:46:00,694 --> 13:46:01,195
and people
are

931
13:46:01,261 --> 13:46:02,129
reminding
you of

932
13:46:02,196 --> 13:46:04,097
that, or
if you see a

933
13:46:04,164 --> 13:46:05,799
lot of
in thenow,s. But,

934
13:46:05,866 --> 13:46:06,500
grand scheme of
things,

935
13:46:06,567 --> 13:46:08,068
a
$300,

936
13:46:08,135 --> 13:46:08,836
$600
check,

937
13:46:08,902 --> 13:46:09,336
that's a
big deal.

938
13:46:09,403 --> 13:46:10,637
But
you

939
13:46:10,704 --> 13:46:12,105
know, all the
political

940
13:46:12,172 --> 13:46:12,739
infighting and
like that. I

941
13:46:12,806 --> 13:46:13,473
just
I'm not

942
13:46:13,540 --> 13:46:14,808
sure if
people

943
13:46:14,875 --> 13:46:15,742
will
carry

944
13:46:15,809 --> 13:46:16,844
that all the
way to

945
13:46:16,910 --> 13:46:18,612
November.
There is a lot

946
13:46:18,679 --> 13:46:19,346
else
right nowthere

947
13:46:19,413 --> 13:46:20,447
in
in

948
13:46:20,514 --> 13:46:21,515
national
and world

949
13:46:21,582 --> 13:46:22,282
politics,
that's for

950
13:46:22,349 --> 13:46:24,351
sure.
That's all the time

951
13:46:24,418 --> 13:46:25,385
we have
for today.

952
13:46:25,452 --> 13:46:26,119
Thanks for
us.ing

953
13:46:26,186 --> 13:46:27,087
This
has

954
13:46:27,154 --> 13:46:29,089
been
inside Wisconsin politics.

955
13:46:29,156 --> 13:46:30,791
r
colleague

956
13:46:30,858 --> 13:46:31,558
Anya van
nextendonk will be back

957
13:46:31,625 --> 13:46:32,492
week.
Be sure to

958
13:46:32,559 --> 13:46:33,594
follow us
on

959
13:46:33,660 --> 13:46:35,495
wpri.org,
PBS,

960
13:46:35,562 --> 13:46:36,864
wisconsin.org,
YouTube,

961
13:46:36,930 --> 13:46:37,731
or
wherever you

962
13:46:37,798 --> 13:46:39,600
get your
podcasts.