1 13:32:46,433 --> 13:32:47,100 Democrats are 2 13:32:47,167 --> 13:32:47,801 getting more 3 13:32:47,868 --> 13:32:48,769 aggressive about 4 13:32:48,836 --> 13:32:49,703 jumping primaries. 5 13:32:49,770 --> 13:32:50,904 We look at a 6 13:32:50,971 --> 13:32:51,905 few examples from Congress 7 13:32:51,972 --> 13:32:53,173 to the state legislature, 8 13:32:53,240 --> 13:32:53,941 plus two 9 13:32:54,007 --> 13:32:54,741 legal decisions 10 13:32:54,808 --> 13:32:55,843 that could affect 11 13:32:55,909 --> 13:32:56,543 Wisconsin's political 12 13:32:56,610 --> 13:32:57,077 maps for years 13 13:32:57,144 --> 13:32:58,212 to come. 14 13:32:58,278 --> 13:32:59,947 This is 15 13:33:00,881 --> 13:33:04,451 inside Wisconsin politics. I'm Shawn 16 13:33:05,519 --> 13:33:06,220 Johnson here 17 13:33:06,286 --> 13:33:07,554 with colleague 18 13:33:07,621 --> 13:33:09,389 Zac Schultz Anya van Wagtendonk and 19 13:33:09,456 --> 13:33:10,490 Rich Kremer in Eau 20 13:33:10,557 --> 13:33:11,325 Claire. everyone. 21 13:33:11,391 --> 13:33:13,160 >> Hello. >> Hey, 22 13:33:13,227 --> 13:33:14,161 Shawn. before 23 13:33:14,228 --> 13:33:15,028 we get started with 24 13:33:15,095 --> 13:33:16,029 some specific 25 13:33:16,096 --> 13:33:16,697 examples I want 26 13:33:16,763 --> 13:33:17,431 to start with 27 13:33:17,497 --> 13:33:18,432 why this kind 28 13:33:18,498 --> 13:33:19,733 of caught our 29 13:33:19,800 --> 13:33:20,601 attention. And for me, 30 13:33:20,667 --> 13:33:21,401 it's because 31 13:33:21,468 --> 13:33:22,569 in the very 32 13:33:22,636 --> 13:33:23,237 recent past, you 33 13:33:23,303 --> 13:33:24,972 had Democrats and 34 13:33:25,038 --> 13:33:26,707 liberals very 35 13:33:27,107 --> 13:33:28,141 wary jumping into 36 13:33:28,208 --> 13:33:28,842 primaries. What's 37 13:33:28,909 --> 13:33:29,643 changed Zac? 38 13:33:29,710 --> 13:33:31,011 >> I think the 39 13:33:31,078 --> 13:33:32,246 biggest isng that's changed 40 13:33:32,312 --> 13:33:33,714 Democrats see more 41 13:33:33,780 --> 13:33:34,515 opportunity to win some 42 13:33:34,581 --> 13:33:34,915 of these 43 13:33:34,982 --> 13:33:35,616 over the 44 13:33:35,682 --> 13:33:36,984 past years. 45 13:33:37,050 --> 13:33:37,684 Basically, the 46 13:33:37,751 --> 13:33:38,619 Scott era.r 47 13:33:38,685 --> 13:33:39,453 On when the 48 13:33:39,520 --> 13:33:40,721 maps didn't favor 49 13:33:40,787 --> 13:33:41,622 Wisconsin theperhaps 50 13:33:41,688 --> 13:33:42,489 political climate 51 13:33:42,556 --> 13:33:43,790 didn't favor candidates 52 13:33:43,857 --> 13:33:44,691 statewide. was ae 53 13:33:44,758 --> 13:33:46,460 concern primary just 54 13:33:46,527 --> 13:33:47,728 took up too resources that were 55 13:33:47,794 --> 13:33:48,996 limited, mainly 56 13:33:49,062 --> 13:33:50,330 money and 57 13:33:50,397 --> 13:33:51,198 time, and the threat that 58 13:33:51,265 --> 13:33:52,132 if they went 59 13:33:52,199 --> 13:33:52,666 negative against each 60 13:33:52,733 --> 13:33:53,634 other, it really 61 13:33:53,700 --> 13:33:54,434 hurt their opportunity to 62 13:33:54,501 --> 13:33:55,636 win statewide. 63 13:33:55,702 --> 13:33:56,670 Since haveocrats 64 13:33:56,737 --> 13:33:57,938 gotten on a roll 65 13:33:58,005 --> 13:33:59,706 in 1 of these races for 66 13:33:59,773 --> 13:34:00,641 governor, AG, state 67 13:34:00,707 --> 13:34:01,408 Supreme Court, and 68 13:34:01,475 --> 13:34:02,342 they've got better 69 13:34:02,409 --> 13:34:03,177 maps, they see 70 13:34:03,243 --> 13:34:04,678 more opportunity. And 71 13:34:04,745 --> 13:34:05,679 so there's more 72 13:34:05,746 --> 13:34:07,114 options for people to 73 13:34:07,181 --> 13:34:08,882 get in, because the doesn't look quite 74 13:34:08,949 --> 13:34:10,784 as know, for me as 75 13:34:10,851 --> 13:34:11,752 I this,inking about 76 13:34:11,818 --> 13:34:12,519 I almost feel 77 13:34:12,586 --> 13:34:13,520 like it's 78 13:34:13,587 --> 13:34:14,288 directly related 79 13:34:14,354 --> 13:34:15,722 to whatever the 80 13:34:15,789 --> 13:34:16,957 national political 81 13:34:17,024 --> 13:34:17,791 situation is the 82 13:34:17,858 --> 13:34:19,026 time. So we 83 13:34:19,092 --> 13:34:19,927 are right now 84 13:34:19,993 --> 13:34:21,361 in the 85 13:34:21,428 --> 13:34:23,230 Trump midterm. 86 13:34:23,297 --> 13:34:24,031 Where were we? 87 13:34:24,097 --> 13:34:24,865 A agow years 88 13:34:24,932 --> 13:34:25,632 in the Biden midterm, 89 13:34:25,699 --> 13:34:26,533 you had 90 13:34:26,600 --> 13:34:27,134 Democrats jumping 91 13:34:27,201 --> 13:34:27,868 out of a 92 13:34:27,935 --> 13:34:28,769 primary for 93 13:34:28,836 --> 13:34:29,703 Senate, forring the way 94 13:34:29,770 --> 13:34:30,871 Mandela Barnes. 95 13:34:30,938 --> 13:34:31,805 Where were we in 96 13:34:31,872 --> 13:34:32,172 the first Trump 97 13:34:32,239 --> 13:34:33,340 midterm in 98 13:34:33,407 --> 13:34:34,074 2018? You had 99 13:34:34,141 --> 13:34:35,209 about a dozen 100 13:34:35,275 --> 13:34:35,843 Democrats running 101 13:34:35,909 --> 13:34:36,877 for governor that 102 13:34:36,944 --> 13:34:37,711 year. And on 103 13:34:37,778 --> 13:34:38,779 and on Iand on. 104 13:34:38,846 --> 13:34:40,514 think it's kind of a 105 13:34:40,581 --> 13:34:41,882 really simple flow chart. 106 13:34:41,949 --> 13:34:42,716 Is it a 107 13:34:42,783 --> 13:34:43,684 midterm? Yes. 108 13:34:43,750 --> 13:34:44,518 Is your 109 13:34:44,585 --> 13:34:45,185 president in the 110 13:34:45,252 --> 13:34:46,720 white House? 111 13:34:46,787 --> 13:34:48,188 No. Well, in that 112 13:34:48,255 --> 13:34:50,123 case, you're probably going to want to jump 113 13:34:50,190 --> 13:34:51,825 into a chanceive a 114 13:34:51,892 --> 13:34:53,493 for your party. Let's 115 13:34:53,560 --> 13:34:54,194 jump into one 116 13:34:54,261 --> 13:34:55,329 of specific 117 13:34:55,395 --> 13:34:55,996 examples this 118 13:34:56,063 --> 13:34:57,798 week. And, you 119 13:34:57,865 --> 13:34:59,132 know, I want to characterize this 120 13:34:59,199 --> 13:35:00,300 as the opportunity 121 13:35:00,367 --> 13:35:01,101 knocks kind 122 13:35:01,168 --> 13:35:02,469 of a Democratic 123 13:35:02,536 --> 13:35:03,103 primary in 124 13:35:03,170 --> 13:35:04,538 the first 125 13:35:04,605 --> 13:35:05,239 congressional District, where 126 13:35:05,305 --> 13:35:07,074 we have 127 13:35:07,140 --> 13:35:08,242 Representative Bryan Steil, a 128 13:35:08,308 --> 13:35:09,643 Republican, is 129 13:35:09,710 --> 13:35:10,811 seen as 130 13:35:10,878 --> 13:35:11,979 a strong 131 13:35:12,045 --> 13:35:12,613 candidate. district 132 13:35:12,679 --> 13:35:14,648 leans Republican. 133 13:35:14,715 --> 13:35:15,549 And yet 134 13:35:15,616 --> 13:35:15,949 this week we 135 13:35:16,016 --> 13:35:16,984 had a 136 13:35:17,050 --> 13:35:17,918 Democratic candidate 137 13:35:17,985 --> 13:35:19,219 say, hey, 138 13:35:19,286 --> 13:35:20,454 it's too late 139 13:35:20,521 --> 13:35:22,489 for me to jump in. Tell us about 140 13:35:22,556 --> 13:35:24,725 what I mean, there have 141 13:35:24,791 --> 13:35:26,527 been several Democrats that have been running for 142 13:35:26,593 --> 13:35:28,395 quite havee of them 143 13:35:28,662 --> 13:35:30,731 really been a clear front runner. None of 144 13:35:30,797 --> 13:35:32,599 them amount of money. 145 13:35:32,666 --> 13:35:34,668 Bryan very good contrast, 146 13:35:34,735 --> 13:35:36,436 campaigner and a hasod fundraiser. He 147 13:35:36,503 --> 13:35:38,605 quite a lot in chest. And 148 13:35:38,672 --> 13:35:40,641 so there had thise rumblings that 149 13:35:40,707 --> 13:35:42,476 older person from was going to jump 150 13:35:42,543 --> 13:35:44,778 in. And he did. Burgess, he is 151 13:35:44,845 --> 13:35:46,547 currently a Milwaukee Council. 152 13:35:46,613 --> 13:35:48,749 He does And the district. 153 13:35:48,815 --> 13:35:50,617 so him coming out, really interesting because 154 13:35:50,684 --> 13:35:52,619 he's essentially saying, I am the person who 155 13:35:52,686 --> 13:35:54,655 can get requiredhat is 156 13:35:54,721 --> 13:35:56,623 to flip this makes trying to 157 13:35:56,690 --> 13:35:58,725 the argument that it is more flippable than 158 13:35:58,792 --> 13:36:00,060 Democrats think. It is considered a of Wisconsin's 159 13:36:00,127 --> 13:36:01,228 kind of two 160 13:36:01,295 --> 13:36:03,096 ish congressional 161 13:36:03,463 --> 13:36:04,831 districts, the 162 13:36:04,898 --> 13:36:05,966 safer one for Republicans. But 163 13:36:06,033 --> 13:36:07,201 he's if we, 164 13:36:07,267 --> 13:36:09,002 can get money, can get in the 165 13:36:09,069 --> 13:36:10,137 game. >> Rich, you've 166 13:36:10,204 --> 13:36:10,838 been district this 167 13:36:10,904 --> 13:36:11,505 for while 168 13:36:11,572 --> 13:36:12,706 now. Why 169 13:36:12,773 --> 13:36:13,440 would Peter Berg 170 13:36:13,507 --> 13:36:14,408 Ellis look the 171 13:36:14,474 --> 13:36:15,275 field here and say, 172 13:36:15,342 --> 13:36:15,876 you know, 173 13:36:15,943 --> 13:36:17,611 why not me? 174 13:36:18,545 --> 13:36:19,813 >> Well, exactly what 175 13:36:19,880 --> 13:36:21,381 Anna said. 176 13:36:21,448 --> 13:36:22,416 So, Steil, here's 177 13:36:22,482 --> 13:36:22,950 an example 178 13:36:23,016 --> 13:36:23,917 of how 179 13:36:23,984 --> 13:36:24,818 good of a fundraiser 180 13:36:24,885 --> 13:36:25,686 he is. 181 13:36:25,752 --> 13:36:26,420 He's currently 182 13:36:26,486 --> 13:36:27,120 sitting on more 183 13:36:27,187 --> 13:36:29,089 than $5.5 million in 184 13:36:29,756 --> 13:36:30,891 his campaign war 185 13:36:30,958 --> 13:36:31,825 chest. And 186 13:36:31,892 --> 13:36:32,626 during the first three 187 13:36:32,693 --> 13:36:33,393 months of 188 13:36:33,460 --> 13:36:34,528 the year, 189 13:36:34,595 --> 13:36:35,596 he raised 190 13:36:35,662 --> 13:36:36,263 more money 191 13:36:36,330 --> 13:36:37,130 than any 192 13:36:37,197 --> 13:36:37,631 I mean, excuse 193 13:36:37,698 --> 13:36:38,131 me, he 194 13:36:38,198 --> 13:36:38,932 spent more 195 13:36:38,999 --> 13:36:40,000 money than any 196 13:36:40,067 --> 13:36:40,667 Democrat even 197 13:36:40,734 --> 13:36:42,135 raised. So 198 13:36:42,202 --> 13:36:43,937 maybe jealous 199 13:36:44,004 --> 13:36:45,672 is thinking 200 13:36:46,440 --> 13:36:47,508 I'll get that Democratic 201 13:36:47,574 --> 13:36:48,575 money, etc. 202 13:36:48,642 --> 13:36:49,409 But to 203 13:36:49,476 --> 13:36:50,077 the that 204 13:36:50,143 --> 13:36:50,844 this is 205 13:36:50,911 --> 13:36:51,645 this is an 206 13:36:51,712 --> 13:36:52,346 interesting district 207 13:36:52,412 --> 13:36:53,413 because on paper it 208 13:36:53,480 --> 13:36:55,282 it is competitive. 209 13:36:55,582 --> 13:36:56,350 But Steil just 210 13:36:56,416 --> 13:36:57,217 been a powerhouse 211 13:36:57,284 --> 13:36:58,819 and he's 212 13:36:58,886 --> 13:36:59,753 easily defeated 213 13:36:59,820 --> 13:37:01,188 every Democrat that has come 214 13:37:01,255 --> 13:37:01,588 up against 215 13:37:01,655 --> 13:37:02,589 him. So 216 13:37:02,656 --> 13:37:03,457 I don't 217 13:37:03,524 --> 13:37:04,157 know if this is 218 13:37:04,224 --> 13:37:04,858 enough of 219 13:37:04,925 --> 13:37:05,559 a Democratic 220 13:37:05,626 --> 13:37:06,326 wave year, 221 13:37:06,393 --> 13:37:07,461 potentially , that 222 13:37:07,528 --> 13:37:08,529 it could make it 223 13:37:08,595 --> 13:37:10,130 a little closer. But 224 13:37:10,197 --> 13:37:11,064 it seems 225 13:37:11,131 --> 13:37:11,698 like Democrats 226 13:37:11,765 --> 13:37:12,199 think it's worth 227 13:37:12,266 --> 13:37:13,634 a shot. 228 13:37:13,700 --> 13:37:14,501 >> Zac, can somebody 229 13:37:14,568 --> 13:37:15,869 come from 230 13:37:15,936 --> 13:37:16,970 outside the district? And 231 13:37:17,037 --> 13:37:17,938 I'm very 232 13:37:18,005 --> 13:37:19,406 prominently outside of a 233 13:37:19,473 --> 13:37:20,941 district, too. I mean, holds elected office 234 13:37:21,008 --> 13:37:21,742 outside the district. Can 235 13:37:21,808 --> 13:37:22,943 he come in and 236 13:37:23,010 --> 13:37:24,111 say, I want be your 237 13:37:24,178 --> 13:37:25,145 congressman? >> Well, 238 13:37:25,212 --> 13:37:25,812 running outside the 239 13:37:25,879 --> 13:37:27,481 district is not 240 13:37:27,548 --> 13:37:29,449 uncommon at all in Wisconsin. You don't need 241 13:37:29,516 --> 13:37:31,351 to live in the You're only supposed 242 13:37:31,418 --> 13:37:33,086 to take time you 243 13:37:33,420 --> 13:37:35,556 office. So he doesn't even have to set 244 13:37:35,622 --> 13:37:37,457 up campaign there. in 245 13:37:37,524 --> 13:37:39,359 Even if he that'she nomination, 246 13:37:39,426 --> 13:37:41,461 not uncommon. It is a matter of winning 247 13:37:41,528 --> 13:37:43,330 a there, because 248 13:37:43,397 --> 13:37:45,432 he has to the voters in that 249 13:37:45,499 --> 13:37:47,501 district that he should the Democrat to 250 13:37:47,568 --> 13:37:49,269 represent fall. Andnst Steil 251 13:37:49,336 --> 13:37:51,305 that is a little bit of a tougher 252 13:37:51,371 --> 13:37:53,440 ask. That saying, I'm the one 253 13:37:53,507 --> 13:37:55,542 that's different from the rest of these that 254 13:37:55,609 --> 13:37:57,444 you around in the past.esced 255 13:37:57,511 --> 13:37:59,613 And of trying toepresent 256 13:37:59,680 --> 13:38:01,381 bring in would requirention, 257 13:38:01,448 --> 13:38:03,550 a national upset Steil in this 258 13:38:03,617 --> 13:38:04,484 district. When you look district congressional 259 13:38:04,551 --> 13:38:05,419 ats in 260 13:38:05,485 --> 13:38:06,153 Wisconsin, the 261 13:38:06,220 --> 13:38:06,954 national Dems didn't 262 13:38:07,020 --> 13:38:07,754 even invest into the 263 13:38:07,821 --> 13:38:09,289 third, which is a much 264 13:38:09,356 --> 13:38:10,757 closer pastict. In 265 13:38:10,824 --> 13:38:12,059 races, close to't come 266 13:38:12,125 --> 13:38:13,861 investing in sohe first, and 267 13:38:13,927 --> 13:38:15,329 it would require a completely different 268 13:38:15,395 --> 13:38:16,230 landscape for national 269 13:38:16,296 --> 13:38:16,897 money to really 270 13:38:16,964 --> 13:38:17,865 come in the 271 13:38:17,931 --> 13:38:18,765 Democratic Party 272 13:38:18,832 --> 13:38:19,466 to say we see 273 13:38:19,533 --> 13:38:20,701 the first in play. 274 13:38:20,767 --> 13:38:21,435 >> It 275 13:38:21,502 --> 13:38:23,170 could be a they just 276 13:38:23,237 --> 13:38:24,137 want toryan Steil 277 13:38:24,204 --> 13:38:25,572 spend his money and 278 13:38:25,639 --> 13:38:27,674 not for a futuretting 279 13:38:27,741 --> 13:38:29,176 election, too. difference.g 280 13:38:29,243 --> 13:38:30,043 >> Let's move on 281 13:38:30,110 --> 13:38:31,044 to another 282 13:38:31,111 --> 13:38:31,612 primary. And since 283 13:38:31,678 --> 13:38:32,479 I'm naming 284 13:38:32,546 --> 13:38:33,413 stuff today, going 285 13:38:33,480 --> 13:38:34,615 to call this one the 286 13:38:34,681 --> 13:38:35,282 Opportunity Knocks. 287 13:38:35,349 --> 13:38:36,350 No, we did 288 13:38:36,416 --> 13:38:38,051 the knocks primary. I 289 13:38:38,118 --> 13:38:40,020 need to I'mme straight. If 290 13:38:40,087 --> 13:38:42,122 going to do this. is the don't 291 13:38:42,189 --> 13:38:44,024 tell me what do primary. An important 292 13:38:44,091 --> 13:38:46,093 distinction in Democratic primaries. 293 13:38:46,159 --> 13:38:47,160 We've got a couple 294 13:38:47,227 --> 13:38:48,328 of examples today. 295 13:38:48,395 --> 13:38:49,863 Let's start with one in the third 296 13:38:49,930 --> 13:38:50,964 Congressional District. 297 13:38:51,031 --> 13:38:52,699 Rich, I've 298 13:38:53,033 --> 13:38:54,401 heard becausethis district 299 13:38:54,468 --> 13:38:55,536 it's our most competitive 300 13:38:55,602 --> 13:38:56,870 congressional district. 301 13:38:56,937 --> 13:38:57,971 Derrick isan Orden 302 13:38:58,038 --> 13:38:59,406 the Republican incumbent. 303 13:38:59,473 --> 13:39:00,974 I've heard a lot about 304 13:39:01,041 --> 13:39:02,009 Rebecca Cooke, the Democratic 305 13:39:02,075 --> 13:39:03,177 challenger haso 306 13:39:03,243 --> 13:39:04,311 outraised him recently 307 13:39:04,378 --> 13:39:05,846 and seems to lot getting a 308 13:39:05,913 --> 13:39:06,613 of attention. There is 309 13:39:06,680 --> 13:39:07,181 a primary 310 13:39:07,247 --> 13:39:08,749 there who's 311 13:39:08,815 --> 13:39:10,484 running. >> So 312 13:39:11,251 --> 13:39:12,119 the primary 313 13:39:12,186 --> 13:39:13,153 is between Cooke, who's 314 13:39:13,220 --> 13:39:14,054 an Eau Democrat 315 13:39:14,121 --> 13:39:15,522 raised on a 316 13:39:15,589 --> 13:39:16,356 dairy farm 317 13:39:16,423 --> 13:39:17,391 in the county 318 13:39:17,457 --> 13:39:19,126 and, you know, 319 13:39:19,560 --> 13:39:20,561 has done 320 13:39:20,627 --> 13:39:21,795 some political 321 13:39:21,862 --> 13:39:23,297 consulting work, 322 13:39:23,363 --> 13:39:24,531 fundraising work for Democrats in years 323 13:39:24,598 --> 13:39:25,199 past. But now 324 13:39:25,265 --> 13:39:26,033 she's back. 325 13:39:26,099 --> 13:39:26,834 She's really 326 13:39:26,900 --> 13:39:27,267 portraying herself 327 13:39:27,334 --> 13:39:28,068 as kind 328 13:39:28,135 --> 13:39:29,336 of of the 329 13:39:29,403 --> 13:39:30,270 district, you know, 330 13:39:30,337 --> 13:39:31,405 born and bred 331 13:39:31,471 --> 13:39:32,539 Wisconsin, etc. 332 13:39:32,606 --> 13:39:33,073 Republicans are 333 13:39:33,140 --> 13:39:34,942 trying to, 334 13:39:35,008 --> 13:39:35,843 you know, 335 13:39:35,909 --> 13:39:36,310 focus the attention 336 13:39:36,376 --> 13:39:37,611 on her 337 13:39:37,678 --> 13:39:38,879 consulting work, etc. 338 13:39:38,946 --> 13:39:39,980 The other 339 13:39:40,047 --> 13:39:41,381 Democrat is 340 13:39:41,448 --> 13:39:42,216 longtime Citylaire 341 13:39:42,282 --> 13:39:43,417 Council member, 342 13:39:43,483 --> 13:39:43,917 former council 343 13:39:43,984 --> 13:39:44,785 president, until 344 13:39:44,852 --> 13:39:45,686 just recently, 345 13:39:45,752 --> 13:39:46,587 Emily Berg 346 13:39:46,653 --> 13:39:47,254 of Eau Claire. 347 13:39:47,321 --> 13:39:49,122 And she 348 13:39:49,189 --> 13:39:50,023 she's portraying 349 13:39:50,090 --> 13:39:50,924 herself as 350 13:39:50,991 --> 13:39:52,593 the grassroots 351 13:39:52,659 --> 13:39:53,594 choice in this 352 13:39:53,660 --> 13:39:55,262 race. And 353 13:39:55,329 --> 13:39:56,530 national Democrats 354 13:39:56,597 --> 13:39:57,764 came in and 355 13:39:57,831 --> 13:39:58,832 started sending 356 13:39:58,899 --> 13:39:59,867 resources, staff, 357 13:39:59,933 --> 13:40:01,201 etc. back in 358 13:40:01,268 --> 13:40:02,436 February to 359 13:40:02,503 --> 13:40:03,737 Cooke's campaign. 360 13:40:03,804 --> 13:40:04,505 And Berg 361 13:40:04,571 --> 13:40:05,272 said, well, 362 13:40:05,339 --> 13:40:06,406 that's pretty 363 13:40:06,473 --> 13:40:07,708 dirty. know, 364 13:40:07,774 --> 13:40:08,742 she essentially 365 13:40:08,809 --> 13:40:10,043 said D.C. 366 13:40:10,110 --> 13:40:10,944 shouldn't be deciding 367 13:40:11,011 --> 13:40:12,145 who is the 368 13:40:12,212 --> 13:40:12,713 Democrat to face 369 13:40:12,779 --> 13:40:13,580 Van Orden. 370 13:40:13,647 --> 13:40:14,314 It should be 371 13:40:14,381 --> 13:40:15,282 the people of Eau 372 13:40:15,349 --> 13:40:16,416 Claire. And just 373 13:40:16,483 --> 13:40:17,251 anecdotally, when 374 13:40:17,317 --> 13:40:17,918 I'm walking through 375 13:40:17,985 --> 13:40:18,652 the city, 376 13:40:18,719 --> 13:40:19,753 I don't see a 377 13:40:19,820 --> 13:40:21,154 lot of Cooke signs. 378 13:40:21,221 --> 13:40:22,823 In fact, I don't remember seeing any. But 379 13:40:22,890 --> 13:40:24,691 I bunch ofle 380 13:40:24,758 --> 13:40:25,392 Berg signs. 381 13:40:25,459 --> 13:40:26,860 So this 382 13:40:26,927 --> 13:40:27,494 being one of the more, if 383 13:40:27,561 --> 13:40:28,295 not the 384 13:40:28,362 --> 13:40:29,329 most populous 385 13:40:29,396 --> 13:40:30,163 areas in the 386 13:40:30,230 --> 13:40:31,198 third district, 387 13:40:31,265 --> 13:40:31,698 maybe that makes 388 13:40:31,765 --> 13:40:32,466 a difference. 389 13:40:32,533 --> 13:40:33,467 But in 390 13:40:33,534 --> 13:40:34,334 terms resources, 391 13:40:34,401 --> 13:40:35,035 Cooke is 392 13:40:35,102 --> 13:40:36,236 way, way, 393 13:40:36,303 --> 13:40:37,371 way ahead of 394 13:40:37,437 --> 13:40:38,572 Berg. In all the 395 13:40:38,639 --> 13:40:39,339 fundraising reports that I've 396 13:40:39,406 --> 13:40:40,507 seen. >> Zac, 397 13:40:40,574 --> 13:40:41,575 do you get the 398 13:40:41,642 --> 13:40:42,609 sense that this is, 399 13:40:42,676 --> 13:40:43,977 you know, a 400 13:40:44,044 --> 13:40:44,811 competitive primary 401 13:40:44,878 --> 13:40:45,846 here? >> It 402 13:40:45,913 --> 13:40:46,513 could be 403 13:40:46,580 --> 13:40:47,247 it really 404 13:40:47,314 --> 13:40:48,015 depends on how 405 13:40:48,081 --> 13:40:48,849 much the 406 13:40:48,916 --> 13:40:50,250 primary voters pay 407 13:40:50,317 --> 13:40:51,084 attention. And 408 13:40:51,151 --> 13:40:52,019 that's the issue 409 13:40:52,085 --> 13:40:53,620 in some these primaries is 410 13:40:53,687 --> 13:40:54,855 name recognition makes a 411 13:40:54,922 --> 13:40:56,490 big National Partyhy 412 13:40:56,557 --> 13:40:57,824 comes in puts 413 13:40:57,891 --> 13:40:58,492 resources behind 414 13:40:58,559 --> 13:40:59,226 Cooke. It's 415 13:40:59,293 --> 13:41:00,127 not necessarily 416 13:41:00,194 --> 13:41:01,495 that like her 417 13:41:01,562 --> 13:41:03,363 more. It's betteras the 418 13:41:03,430 --> 13:41:05,532 chance to win in fall and get 419 13:41:05,599 --> 13:41:07,501 her moving. wehe old mentality 420 13:41:07,568 --> 13:41:09,570 talked about at the beginning of the show 421 13:41:09,636 --> 13:41:11,471 of primaries in therats 422 13:41:11,538 --> 13:41:12,472 past? It it can getrces, 423 13:41:12,539 --> 13:41:14,575 ugly, it can get negative. 424 13:41:14,641 --> 13:41:15,976 It could hurt the Going into the 425 13:41:16,043 --> 13:41:17,244 fall. I ran 426 13:41:17,311 --> 13:41:17,744 into Berg when 427 13:41:17,811 --> 13:41:19,046 she was 428 13:41:19,112 --> 13:41:20,180 campaigning with Hongncesca 429 13:41:20,247 --> 13:41:20,948 for governor 430 13:41:21,014 --> 13:41:21,849 in Crosse. They 431 13:41:21,915 --> 13:41:22,716 were doing an 432 13:41:22,783 --> 13:41:23,717 event at the same 433 13:41:23,784 --> 13:41:24,852 bookstore. And 434 13:41:24,918 --> 13:41:26,720 it's not a that while we 435 13:41:26,787 --> 13:41:28,288 were talking about were talking 436 13:41:28,355 --> 13:41:29,623 going and seeing them 437 13:41:29,690 --> 13:41:31,358 there isret stop. 438 13:41:31,725 --> 13:41:33,260 a kind of thematic fit with that campaign 439 13:41:33,327 --> 13:41:34,161 of grassroots, 440 13:41:34,228 --> 13:41:34,795 more theom 441 13:41:34,862 --> 13:41:35,596 bottom up 442 13:41:35,662 --> 13:41:36,597 and running 443 13:41:36,663 --> 13:41:37,431 against party 444 13:41:37,497 --> 13:41:37,931 types who tell 445 13:41:37,998 --> 13:41:38,665 us who our 446 13:41:38,732 --> 13:41:41,068 candidates should be. 447 13:41:41,134 --> 13:41:41,835 Parties like to 448 13:41:41,902 --> 13:41:42,569 dictate sometimes 449 13:41:42,636 --> 13:41:43,237 who the candidate 450 13:41:43,303 --> 13:41:44,338 can be so they 451 13:41:44,404 --> 13:41:45,472 can focus resources. 452 13:41:45,539 --> 13:41:46,773 Sometimes that does run 453 13:41:46,840 --> 13:41:48,509 up why yours wall, 454 13:41:48,809 --> 13:41:50,911 title for this Tell Me What to 455 13:41:50,978 --> 13:41:52,746 Do, candidates whouse 456 13:41:52,813 --> 13:41:54,848 are going to no. Let the people 457 13:41:54,915 --> 13:41:56,850 decide. People have to attention though. 458 13:41:56,917 --> 13:41:58,752 All right, we've got another. Don't tell me 459 13:41:58,819 --> 13:42:00,621 what inna. This isy 460 13:42:00,921 --> 13:42:02,456 one of the state districts that we're 461 13:42:02,523 --> 13:42:03,357 watching that could e 462 13:42:03,423 --> 13:42:04,625 control of the 463 13:42:04,691 --> 13:42:05,392 Wisconsin state Senate this 464 13:42:05,459 --> 13:42:06,627 year. The 465 13:42:06,693 --> 13:42:08,295 17th state Senate 466 13:42:08,362 --> 13:42:10,330 district. is thed Marklein 467 13:42:10,397 --> 13:42:11,098 Republican incumbent, 468 13:42:11,164 --> 13:42:12,432 and the 469 13:42:12,499 --> 13:42:13,000 Democratic Party had 470 13:42:13,066 --> 13:42:13,800 been sending 471 13:42:13,867 --> 13:42:14,501 strong signals that 472 13:42:14,568 --> 13:42:15,402 they knew who they 473 13:42:15,469 --> 13:42:15,736 wanted to run 474 13:42:15,802 --> 13:42:16,570 for a 475 13:42:16,637 --> 13:42:17,204 while now. 476 13:42:17,271 --> 13:42:18,305 And yet 477 13:42:18,372 --> 13:42:19,473 there's candidate who 478 13:42:19,540 --> 13:42:20,474 says, want 479 13:42:20,541 --> 13:42:22,209 to run aboutell us 480 13:42:22,576 --> 13:42:24,111 it. who currentlyon, 481 13:42:24,178 --> 13:42:25,412 serves in the Assembly, 482 13:42:25,479 --> 13:42:26,413 has been sort of the anointed Democratic 483 13:42:26,480 --> 13:42:26,980 ce to 484 13:42:27,047 --> 13:42:28,315 run against 485 13:42:28,382 --> 13:42:29,383 Howard Marklein for this 486 13:42:29,449 --> 13:42:29,816 district, which also 487 13:42:29,883 --> 13:42:30,884 has been 488 13:42:30,951 --> 13:42:31,718 redrawn in a way that 489 13:42:31,785 --> 13:42:32,920 could be more favorable for 490 13:42:32,986 --> 13:42:34,054 Democrats. So 491 13:42:34,121 --> 13:42:34,721 Marklein sort on his 492 13:42:34,788 --> 13:42:35,656 heels in that way. 493 13:42:35,722 --> 13:42:37,024 But then 494 13:42:37,090 --> 13:42:38,058 yesterday we thet 495 13:42:38,125 --> 13:42:39,326 announcement that Corrin 496 13:42:39,393 --> 13:42:40,227 Hendrickson, who if have 497 13:42:40,294 --> 13:42:41,261 written an article 498 13:42:41,328 --> 13:42:42,296 or read an article 499 13:42:42,362 --> 13:42:43,363 about care 500 13:42:43,430 --> 13:42:44,364 advocacy in the 501 13:42:44,431 --> 13:42:45,666 last three years, you have 502 13:42:45,732 --> 13:42:47,835 heard that name. She been at the 503 13:42:47,901 --> 13:42:49,403 Capitol. She asmall business owner, 504 13:42:49,469 --> 13:42:50,437 daycare owner in New 505 13:42:50,504 --> 13:42:51,438 Glarus. That was very 506 13:42:51,505 --> 13:42:52,439 much issue. And 507 13:42:52,506 --> 13:42:53,006 now she's running 508 13:42:53,073 --> 13:42:54,074 for office. So a 509 13:42:54,141 --> 13:42:55,642 political newcomer, 510 13:42:55,709 --> 13:42:56,276 somebody with this kind 511 13:42:56,343 --> 13:42:57,578 of particular set 512 13:42:57,644 --> 13:42:59,313 of policy 513 13:42:59,746 --> 13:43:00,948 expectations and preferences 514 13:43:01,014 --> 13:43:01,748 challenging a 515 13:43:01,815 --> 13:43:02,316 fellow Democrat. 516 13:43:02,382 --> 13:43:03,083 And so that is 517 13:43:03,150 --> 13:43:04,218 a caught our 518 13:43:04,284 --> 13:43:04,952 attention for 519 13:43:05,018 --> 13:43:05,419 that reason, that 520 13:43:05,485 --> 13:43:06,186 it's a 521 13:43:06,253 --> 13:43:06,587 competitive district. 522 13:43:06,653 --> 13:43:07,588 It's not 523 13:43:07,654 --> 13:43:08,589 safe for Democrats. 524 13:43:08,655 --> 13:43:09,223 So here's somebody 525 13:43:09,289 --> 13:43:09,990 coming in and 526 13:43:10,057 --> 13:43:10,891 saying, I want to 527 13:43:10,958 --> 13:43:12,593 throw hat in, and 528 13:43:12,659 --> 13:43:13,861 I want to for my specific 529 13:43:13,927 --> 13:43:15,062 approach to 530 13:43:15,128 --> 13:43:16,530 politics. >> And, you 531 13:43:16,597 --> 13:43:18,265 know, likeo feel 532 13:43:18,599 --> 13:43:20,067 we have this debate about primaries pretty much 533 13:43:20,133 --> 13:43:20,801 every single primary 534 13:43:20,868 --> 13:43:21,568 about whether it's 535 13:43:21,635 --> 13:43:22,769 going to orelp 536 13:43:22,836 --> 13:43:24,271 hurt the 537 13:43:24,338 --> 13:43:25,439 candidates. I arek they 538 13:43:25,506 --> 13:43:26,640 making thiset 539 13:43:26,707 --> 13:43:28,041 year that they can afford to 540 13:43:28,108 --> 13:43:29,109 have those debates. 541 13:43:29,176 --> 13:43:30,377 And the forgument 542 13:43:30,444 --> 13:43:31,845 it helping theym is that 543 13:43:31,912 --> 13:43:33,247 are going to kind of 544 13:43:33,313 --> 13:43:33,981 dominate the 545 13:43:34,047 --> 13:43:35,449 news cycle for a 546 13:43:35,516 --> 13:43:36,950 little while in August and get more attention 547 13:43:37,017 --> 13:43:37,818 than candidates 548 13:43:37,885 --> 13:43:38,719 that don't ahave 549 13:43:38,785 --> 13:43:39,520 primary. Okay. 550 13:43:39,586 --> 13:43:40,220 One primary 551 13:43:40,287 --> 13:43:40,787 that is really 552 13:43:40,854 --> 13:43:41,488 big this 553 13:43:41,555 --> 13:43:42,356 year in our 554 13:43:42,422 --> 13:43:42,956 world, the Democratic 555 13:43:43,023 --> 13:43:43,924 primary for 556 13:43:43,991 --> 13:43:45,225 governor, we're not to talk about 557 13:43:45,292 --> 13:43:45,859 today, but if 558 13:43:45,926 --> 13:43:46,593 you had to name 559 13:43:46,660 --> 13:43:48,095 that one, 560 13:43:48,161 --> 13:43:48,695 anybody got 561 13:43:48,762 --> 13:43:49,429 any takers 562 13:43:49,496 --> 13:43:51,164 here? >> The 563 13:43:52,099 --> 13:43:54,234 why not think everyone 564 13:43:54,668 --> 13:43:56,470 and their governor inr 565 13:43:56,537 --> 13:43:58,605 the state. we've got at least 566 13:43:58,672 --> 13:44:00,240 seven candidates running governor. Rich, you got 567 13:44:00,307 --> 13:44:01,341 any labels for it? >> Ana 568 13:44:01,408 --> 13:44:03,076 stole mine. 569 13:44:03,577 --> 13:44:04,745 >> I want to 570 13:44:04,811 --> 13:44:06,113 add. I want to a small 571 13:44:06,180 --> 13:44:06,847 amendment to 572 13:44:06,914 --> 13:44:07,347 yours. why 573 13:44:07,414 --> 13:44:08,215 not me? 574 13:44:08,282 --> 13:44:09,483 You know, 575 13:44:09,550 --> 13:44:10,784 primaries, actually, what I 576 13:44:10,851 --> 13:44:12,553 had thought about. So you stole both 577 13:44:12,619 --> 13:44:14,521 of ours. It kind of one of 578 13:44:14,588 --> 13:44:15,422 those see awhere you 579 13:44:15,489 --> 13:44:16,323 race that's 580 13:44:16,390 --> 13:44:17,357 kind of there for 581 13:44:17,424 --> 13:44:18,458 the taking. Why not 582 13:44:18,525 --> 13:44:19,560 jump >> So 583 13:44:19,626 --> 13:44:20,794 Shawn, let's thisp 584 13:44:20,861 --> 13:44:22,996 on its head for because part of 585 13:44:23,063 --> 13:44:24,865 the idea the pastes in 586 13:44:24,932 --> 13:44:26,834 or not having them was fear of wasting 587 13:44:26,900 --> 13:44:28,635 resources. But the other end of it was 588 13:44:28,702 --> 13:44:29,670 you can andle, test, 589 13:44:29,736 --> 13:44:30,404 whoever comes through 590 13:44:30,470 --> 13:44:30,938 a primary is 591 13:44:31,004 --> 13:44:31,672 a better 592 13:44:31,738 --> 13:44:32,406 candidate for 593 13:44:32,472 --> 13:44:33,173 the general 594 13:44:33,240 --> 13:44:34,174 election. So 595 13:44:34,241 --> 13:44:34,942 what's on a wide 596 13:44:35,008 --> 13:44:35,909 open primary like 597 13:44:35,976 --> 13:44:36,577 this? How 598 13:44:36,643 --> 13:44:37,511 can it help 599 13:44:37,578 --> 13:44:38,111 Democrats if there 600 13:44:38,178 --> 13:44:38,779 are battling 601 13:44:38,846 --> 13:44:39,646 this many 602 13:44:39,713 --> 13:44:40,614 people there? 603 13:44:40,681 --> 13:44:41,348 >> I think 604 13:44:41,415 --> 13:44:42,182 that, you know, 605 13:44:42,249 --> 13:44:43,217 there are plenty of 606 13:44:43,283 --> 13:44:43,851 examples in the 607 13:44:43,917 --> 13:44:45,586 recent past, 608 13:44:45,652 --> 13:44:46,854 particularly among Republicans, 609 13:44:46,920 --> 13:44:48,055 where you come 610 13:44:48,121 --> 13:44:49,323 out of a battle tested 611 13:44:49,389 --> 13:44:49,923 primary and you 612 13:44:49,990 --> 13:44:51,325 are wounded. 613 13:44:51,391 --> 13:44:52,659 And it did very help them 614 13:44:52,726 --> 13:44:53,493 much in the 615 13:44:53,560 --> 13:44:54,228 general election. I think 616 13:44:54,294 --> 13:44:55,963 in 2018, 617 13:44:56,730 --> 13:44:58,599 Tony Evers came out battle tested 618 13:44:58,665 --> 13:45:00,534 primary and little bit out of 619 13:45:00,601 --> 13:45:02,336 money. So there is to it,k 620 13:45:02,402 --> 13:45:04,204 but it does also get 621 13:45:04,605 --> 13:45:05,472 attention, I guess is the thing that 622 13:45:05,539 --> 13:45:06,840 it does for sure. 623 13:45:06,907 --> 13:45:08,775 >> I think another this too, 624 13:45:08,842 --> 13:45:10,911 is that it's very easy to kind of 625 13:45:10,978 --> 13:45:13,046 present a whena partynt 626 13:45:13,113 --> 13:45:14,915 you're in the minority, because it doesn't really 627 13:45:14,982 --> 13:45:16,917 matter, right? You don't have power. And so 628 13:45:16,984 --> 13:45:19,019 we might thend of behind 629 13:45:19,086 --> 13:45:20,988 scenes, the further Democrats and the more 630 13:45:21,054 --> 13:45:22,823 centrist Democrats don't along or disagree, but 631 13:45:22,890 --> 13:45:24,892 then they all come and kind of 632 13:45:24,958 --> 13:45:26,960 vote in we'reow whatnd 633 13:45:27,027 --> 13:45:28,962 seeing, because ofittle bit more 634 13:45:29,029 --> 13:45:30,931 a sense that perhaps they could actually win 635 13:45:30,998 --> 13:45:32,766 things and gain power. There's also, I think, 636 13:45:32,833 --> 13:45:34,501 a whatight forf 637 13:45:35,135 --> 13:45:36,937 will the Democratic like,isconsin look 638 13:45:37,004 --> 13:45:38,705 vote like, will they be further left? Will 639 13:45:38,772 --> 13:45:40,440 it be a Hong kind of 640 13:45:41,074 --> 13:45:43,010 situation? Will they be more moderate, more kind 641 13:45:43,076 --> 13:45:44,945 of Democrats? And so Ial 642 13:45:45,012 --> 13:45:46,780 think kind of play that 643 13:45:46,847 --> 13:45:48,815 out or tension out in a lot 644 13:45:48,882 --> 13:45:50,851 of these We have a bunch 645 13:45:50,918 --> 13:45:52,619 of court get to here today, 646 13:45:52,686 --> 13:45:54,087 including another t, this 647 13:45:54,154 --> 13:45:55,989 one Democratic primary, but you 648 13:45:56,056 --> 13:45:57,658 have a couple candidates running for the 2027 649 13:45:57,724 --> 13:45:58,825 Supreme Court race already. 650 13:45:58,892 --> 13:45:59,760 Anya, how did 651 13:45:59,826 --> 13:46:01,128 this We just had 652 13:46:01,195 --> 13:46:03,263 a court race. We sure did. So 653 13:46:03,330 --> 13:46:04,898 two the courter, I 654 13:46:04,965 --> 13:46:05,999 race was resolved, 655 13:46:06,066 --> 13:46:07,134 Lindsay Brunet 656 13:46:07,201 --> 13:46:07,968 threw in hat. 657 13:46:08,035 --> 13:46:08,502 And she is 658 13:46:08,569 --> 13:46:10,404 a former 659 13:46:10,470 --> 13:46:11,004 prosecutor, much like of the 660 13:46:11,071 --> 13:46:12,239 current sitting 661 13:46:12,306 --> 13:46:12,739 liberals. And then a 662 13:46:12,806 --> 13:46:13,674 couple days 663 13:46:13,740 --> 13:46:14,741 ago, Pedro Colon, who 664 13:46:14,808 --> 13:46:15,642 is a Milwaukee 665 13:46:15,709 --> 13:46:16,410 area judge, 666 13:46:16,476 --> 13:46:17,077 threw his hat. 667 13:46:17,144 --> 13:46:17,377 And he is 668 13:46:17,444 --> 13:46:18,712 also a 669 13:46:18,779 --> 13:46:19,646 liberal judge, but comes from 670 13:46:19,713 --> 13:46:20,881 a law making 671 13:46:20,948 --> 13:46:21,748 background. And so we're 672 13:46:21,815 --> 13:46:22,449 seeing two 673 13:46:22,516 --> 13:46:23,684 types of 674 13:46:23,750 --> 13:46:25,052 judicial candidates, 675 13:46:25,118 --> 13:46:25,919 one who more 676 13:46:25,986 --> 13:46:26,887 closely therrors 677 13:46:26,954 --> 13:46:27,688 Susan Crawford, 678 13:46:27,754 --> 13:46:28,789 Janet Protasiewicz 679 13:46:28,856 --> 13:46:29,489 kind of model 680 13:46:29,556 --> 13:46:30,390 of the last couple 681 13:46:30,457 --> 13:46:31,725 of years, a 682 13:46:31,792 --> 13:46:33,126 Democrat, but with a 683 13:46:33,193 --> 13:46:35,162 law then one whockground, 684 13:46:35,229 --> 13:46:36,530 more closely theylor withs 685 13:46:36,597 --> 13:46:37,731 lawmaker advocacy 686 13:46:37,798 --> 13:46:38,699 background, which again, think 687 13:46:38,765 --> 13:46:40,534 shows that little bit 688 13:46:40,601 --> 13:46:42,469 of this wanting push pull for what 689 13:46:42,536 --> 13:46:43,437 kind do we want?udge 690 13:46:43,504 --> 13:46:44,671 Because liberals 691 13:46:44,738 --> 13:46:45,205 have the court, no 692 13:46:45,272 --> 13:46:46,139 matter what 693 13:46:46,206 --> 13:46:46,940 they think, that they 694 13:46:47,007 --> 13:46:47,875 probably have the election 695 13:46:47,941 --> 13:46:49,343 in bag. And so, 696 13:46:49,409 --> 13:46:50,143 again, in what direction 697 13:46:50,210 --> 13:46:51,078 will the 698 13:46:51,144 --> 13:46:52,112 liberal justice 699 13:46:52,179 --> 13:46:53,780 land? >> What 700 13:46:53,847 --> 13:46:55,015 what do 701 13:46:55,082 --> 13:46:56,984 we call goingwe? We're 702 13:46:57,050 --> 13:46:59,019 to win this one anyway. Let's do what 703 13:46:59,086 --> 13:47:00,854 we let thisd maybe 704 13:47:00,921 --> 13:47:02,923 one go. If we don't have a good 705 13:47:02,990 --> 13:47:04,791 name, be on a bumper 706 13:47:05,158 --> 13:47:07,027 sticker. Rich, you talked to Pedro Colon about 707 13:47:07,094 --> 13:47:09,096 why he And,o the race. 708 13:47:09,463 --> 13:47:10,731 you know, these usually prettye 709 13:47:10,797 --> 13:47:11,498 boring. They don't say 710 13:47:11,565 --> 13:47:12,299 too much. I 711 13:47:12,366 --> 13:47:13,133 feel like 712 13:47:13,200 --> 13:47:14,067 Pedro Colon told some 713 13:47:14,134 --> 13:47:15,802 stuff. >> Yeah. He 714 13:47:16,770 --> 13:47:17,771 did. I 715 13:47:17,838 --> 13:47:19,173 asked, you know, what 716 13:47:19,239 --> 13:47:19,806 differentiates you 717 13:47:19,873 --> 13:47:20,407 from Judge 718 13:47:20,474 --> 13:47:21,508 Brunet? And 719 13:47:21,575 --> 13:47:22,676 he said, 720 13:47:22,743 --> 13:47:23,844 unfortunately, it's 721 13:47:23,911 --> 13:47:24,745 experience. She doesn't 722 13:47:24,811 --> 13:47:26,380 have the 723 13:47:26,446 --> 13:47:28,215 substance substantive 724 13:47:28,282 --> 13:47:28,749 experience that he 725 13:47:28,815 --> 13:47:29,483 does, which 726 13:47:29,550 --> 13:47:30,617 includes the 727 13:47:30,684 --> 13:47:31,218 decade or so 728 13:47:31,285 --> 13:47:32,486 in the 729 13:47:32,553 --> 13:47:33,820 legislature and 730 13:47:33,887 --> 13:47:34,421 his onears 731 13:47:34,488 --> 13:47:35,289 the bench 732 13:47:35,355 --> 13:47:36,256 and the state appeals 733 13:47:36,323 --> 13:47:37,291 court in Milwaukee. 734 13:47:37,357 --> 13:47:38,592 So that 735 13:47:38,659 --> 13:47:39,159 surprised me. I 736 13:47:39,226 --> 13:47:39,927 was not 737 13:47:39,993 --> 13:47:41,195 expecting him 738 13:47:41,261 --> 13:47:42,029 right out the gate to 739 13:47:42,095 --> 13:47:43,130 take little 740 13:47:43,197 --> 13:47:44,264 swipe at his 741 13:47:44,331 --> 13:47:45,632 competitor. And 742 13:47:45,699 --> 13:47:46,900 the Brunet 743 13:47:46,967 --> 13:47:47,901 campaign sent me a 744 13:47:47,968 --> 13:47:48,569 statement saying, 745 13:47:48,635 --> 13:47:49,136 as much as 746 13:47:49,203 --> 13:47:50,204 well. They 747 13:47:50,270 --> 13:47:51,438 said, look, 748 13:47:51,505 --> 13:47:52,539 a number of 749 13:47:52,606 --> 13:47:53,240 justices have had 750 13:47:53,307 --> 13:47:54,675 the same amount of 751 13:47:54,741 --> 13:47:55,776 experience as 752 13:47:55,843 --> 13:47:56,510 Judge Brunet 753 13:47:56,577 --> 13:47:57,377 and have been 754 13:47:57,444 --> 13:47:58,312 elected the state's 755 13:47:58,378 --> 13:47:59,279 highest court. 756 13:47:59,346 --> 13:48:00,347 So there's 757 13:48:00,414 --> 13:48:01,915 that. And they also said it's 758 13:48:01,982 --> 13:48:02,549 interesting that 759 13:48:02,616 --> 13:48:04,284 on his 760 13:48:04,351 --> 13:48:05,819 during his announcement, he 761 13:48:05,886 --> 13:48:07,354 attacked Judge 762 13:48:07,421 --> 13:48:07,955 Brunet. >> So 763 13:48:08,021 --> 13:48:08,956 already a. 764 13:48:09,022 --> 13:48:10,090 >> Little. of fireworks. Yeah. 765 13:48:10,157 --> 13:48:10,891 And and 766 13:48:10,958 --> 13:48:11,491 endorsements too, 767 13:48:11,558 --> 13:48:12,359 as you 768 13:48:12,426 --> 13:48:13,126 reported on 769 13:48:13,193 --> 13:48:14,294 you, justice 770 13:48:14,361 --> 13:48:15,529 elect Chris Taylor 771 13:48:15,596 --> 13:48:17,331 has endorsed 772 13:48:17,397 --> 13:48:18,665 Pedro Colon. >> Immediately, 773 13:48:18,732 --> 13:48:19,499 immediately. >> And then 774 13:48:19,566 --> 13:48:20,801 we also have an 775 13:48:20,868 --> 13:48:22,169 endorsement from Congressman Mark 776 13:48:22,236 --> 13:48:23,837 Pocan endorsing 777 13:48:23,904 --> 13:48:25,239 Pedro Colon . Mark 778 13:48:25,305 --> 13:48:26,540 Pocan and 779 13:48:26,607 --> 13:48:27,574 Pedro Colon were 780 13:48:27,641 --> 13:48:28,876 like budget 781 13:48:28,942 --> 13:48:29,977 buddies on the Joint Finance 782 13:48:30,043 --> 13:48:30,978 Committee in 2005. 783 13:48:31,044 --> 13:48:31,578 I can tell 784 13:48:31,645 --> 13:48:32,045 you that 785 13:48:32,112 --> 13:48:32,646 they spent 786 13:48:32,713 --> 13:48:34,047 a lot of time 787 13:48:34,114 --> 13:48:34,815 together writing, you 788 13:48:34,882 --> 13:48:35,782 know, arguing against 789 13:48:35,849 --> 13:48:36,550 that Republican 790 13:48:36,617 --> 13:48:37,251 budget that year. 791 13:48:37,317 --> 13:48:38,418 So you get to 792 13:48:38,485 --> 13:48:39,686 know each other in 793 13:48:39,753 --> 13:48:41,021 politics, relationships can be 794 13:48:41,088 --> 13:48:42,789 a deal 795 13:48:42,856 --> 13:48:44,258 sometimes. >> Well, what's 796 13:48:44,324 --> 13:48:45,459 interesting race this 797 13:48:45,526 --> 13:48:46,093 is we've got 798 13:48:46,159 --> 13:48:46,660 two on 799 13:48:46,727 --> 13:48:47,394 the Liberal side 800 13:48:47,461 --> 13:48:48,562 that are in. I 801 13:48:48,629 --> 13:48:49,062 heard those 802 13:48:49,129 --> 13:48:49,830 names on 803 13:48:49,897 --> 13:48:50,497 election night. 804 13:48:50,564 --> 13:48:51,064 I had someone 805 13:48:51,131 --> 13:48:51,565 in a 806 13:48:51,632 --> 13:48:52,399 campaign tell 807 13:48:52,466 --> 13:48:53,100 me, Judge 808 13:48:53,166 --> 13:48:53,800 Brunette's going to 809 13:48:53,867 --> 13:48:54,868 announce, just watch 810 13:48:54,935 --> 13:48:55,869 your inbox. 811 13:48:55,936 --> 13:48:56,503 That'll be out. That 812 13:48:56,570 --> 13:48:57,704 was night.ection 813 13:48:57,771 --> 13:48:58,338 Judge Cologne 814 13:48:58,405 --> 13:48:59,206 was the 815 13:48:59,273 --> 13:49:00,073 election party. 816 13:49:00,140 --> 13:49:00,908 I interviewed him and talked 817 13:49:00,974 --> 13:49:01,942 to him and 818 13:49:02,009 --> 13:49:03,677 he was oh, we'lle 819 13:49:03,744 --> 13:49:05,879 have to wait and see. But his name 820 13:49:05,946 --> 13:49:07,814 had been So ifr campaigns. 821 13:49:07,881 --> 13:49:09,583 we're looking for this is. It used 822 13:49:09,650 --> 13:49:11,318 to your turn one at 823 13:49:11,885 --> 13:49:13,320 a time. I think liberal candidates 824 13:49:13,387 --> 13:49:13,987 realizing I might 825 13:49:14,054 --> 13:49:15,589 have wait a long 826 13:49:15,656 --> 13:49:16,757 time to wait my turn. Why wait? 827 13:49:16,823 --> 13:49:17,457 Just get in 828 13:49:17,524 --> 13:49:18,358 there. >> 829 13:49:18,425 --> 13:49:18,959 Seven justices, ten 830 13:49:19,026 --> 13:49:19,760 year terms. If you 831 13:49:19,826 --> 13:49:20,761 want to do it, 832 13:49:20,827 --> 13:49:22,162 better get in. 833 13:49:22,229 --> 13:49:22,996 Zac. aWe had 834 13:49:23,063 --> 13:49:23,997 couple decisions this 835 13:49:24,064 --> 13:49:25,832 week. Court 836 13:49:25,899 --> 13:49:26,900 decisions on redistricting, one 837 13:49:26,967 --> 13:49:27,868 in state court, 838 13:49:27,935 --> 13:49:29,536 which I'll 839 13:49:29,603 --> 13:49:30,370 summarize too quickly 840 13:49:30,437 --> 13:49:31,505 here to say 841 13:49:31,572 --> 13:49:32,339 that three 842 13:49:32,406 --> 13:49:33,273 judge panel basically 843 13:49:33,340 --> 13:49:34,174 said we 844 13:49:34,241 --> 13:49:34,808 are not going to 845 13:49:34,875 --> 13:49:36,009 deal the 846 13:49:36,076 --> 13:49:36,710 congressional this 847 13:49:36,777 --> 13:49:37,277 year. Another 848 13:49:37,344 --> 13:49:38,378 big decision 849 13:49:38,445 --> 13:49:39,246 by the U.S. 850 13:49:39,313 --> 13:49:40,280 Supreme Court, 851 13:49:40,347 --> 13:49:40,948 which, know, 852 13:49:41,014 --> 13:49:41,748 court watchers 853 13:49:41,815 --> 13:49:42,716 have is going 854 13:49:42,783 --> 13:49:43,617 to gut the Voting 855 13:49:43,684 --> 13:49:44,184 Rights Act. 856 13:49:44,251 --> 13:49:44,785 What could 857 13:49:44,852 --> 13:49:46,420 that mean for 858 13:49:46,486 --> 13:49:47,454 Wisconsin? >> Well, 859 13:49:47,521 --> 13:49:48,188 they're kind of 860 13:49:48,255 --> 13:49:49,122 tailed together a 861 13:49:49,189 --> 13:49:50,624 little This is the second 862 13:49:50,691 --> 13:49:51,525 three judge panel that 863 13:49:51,592 --> 13:49:52,559 has thrown out 864 13:49:52,626 --> 13:49:53,594 challenges to our 865 13:49:53,660 --> 13:49:54,661 congressional lines. 866 13:49:54,728 --> 13:49:55,863 The Wisconsin Supreme 867 13:49:55,929 --> 13:49:56,897 Court repeatedly 868 13:49:56,964 --> 13:49:57,598 said, we don't 869 13:49:57,664 --> 13:49:58,465 want to handle this 870 13:49:58,532 --> 13:49:59,233 right now. The 871 13:49:59,299 --> 13:50:00,133 United States 872 13:50:00,200 --> 13:50:00,901 Supreme Court decision 873 13:50:00,968 --> 13:50:01,869 that went theter 874 13:50:01,935 --> 13:50:02,536 Voting Rights Act 875 13:50:02,603 --> 13:50:03,637 has to do with 876 13:50:03,704 --> 13:50:04,471 minority majority 877 13:50:04,538 --> 13:50:05,439 districts, which 878 13:50:05,506 --> 13:50:06,406 the fourth Congressional Gwen Moore 879 13:50:06,473 --> 13:50:07,307 district in 880 13:50:07,374 --> 13:50:08,308 Wisconsin is one of 881 13:50:08,375 --> 13:50:09,076 those. So if 882 13:50:09,142 --> 13:50:10,811 lines are going to get 883 13:50:10,878 --> 13:50:12,713 redrawn, look going to 884 13:50:12,779 --> 13:50:14,515 at this, that could mean some of those 885 13:50:14,581 --> 13:50:15,849 lines inting shifted 886 13:50:15,916 --> 13:50:17,818 the they're drawn, 887 13:50:17,885 --> 13:50:19,620 without of thatho protect 888 13:50:19,686 --> 13:50:20,554 minority and district 889 13:50:20,621 --> 13:50:21,788 in Milwaukee. So there's a 890 13:50:21,855 --> 13:50:22,756 lot implications, 891 13:50:22,823 --> 13:50:23,323 one of which 892 13:50:23,390 --> 13:50:24,091 is will this 893 13:50:24,157 --> 13:50:25,192 new makeup of 894 13:50:25,259 --> 13:50:26,960 the Supreme Court. Now 895 13:50:27,027 --> 13:50:28,729 take a these lines again, 896 13:50:28,795 --> 13:50:29,429 especially with new judgment 897 13:50:29,496 --> 13:50:30,564 from the 898 13:50:30,631 --> 13:50:31,665 United Court.Supreme 899 13:50:31,732 --> 13:50:32,666 >> Yeah. And it 900 13:50:32,733 --> 13:50:33,500 seems like 901 13:50:33,567 --> 13:50:34,201 nationally, I've 902 13:50:34,268 --> 13:50:34,801 seen a lot 903 13:50:34,868 --> 13:50:35,969 about how this could be a 904 13:50:36,036 --> 13:50:37,171 benefit to 905 13:50:37,237 --> 13:50:38,038 Republicans in 906 13:50:38,105 --> 13:50:40,040 southern states. I think in 907 13:50:40,107 --> 13:50:41,074 Wisconsin, it's an open 908 13:50:41,141 --> 13:50:41,909 question about which party 909 13:50:41,975 --> 13:50:43,510 would benefit. 910 13:50:43,577 --> 13:50:44,545 Does feel like it 911 13:50:44,611 --> 13:50:46,146 is potentially 912 13:50:46,213 --> 13:50:46,713 detrimental, though, 913 13:50:46,780 --> 13:50:48,448 to minority 914 13:50:49,183 --> 13:50:51,251 representation nationwide. 915 13:50:51,318 --> 13:50:52,219 That's all time 916 13:50:52,286 --> 13:50:53,287 we have for today. 917 13:50:53,353 --> 13:50:54,388 Thanks for joining us. 918 13:50:54,454 --> 13:50:56,123 This has been 919 13:50:57,191 --> 13:50:58,792 inside Wisconsin usure to follow 920 13:50:58,859 --> 13:51:01,161 on PBS Wisconsin. Org WPR.org, 921 13:51:01,228 --> 13:51:01,962 YouTube, or 922 13:51:02,029 --> 13:51:03,063 wherever you get your 923 13:51:03,130 --> 13:51:05,132 podcasts. podcasts.