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>> Do
endorsements

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matter.
This week

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we
look at a few

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examples, including
in

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heated
primaries

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for the
seventh

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Congressional
District

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and the
governor's

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office,
plus the

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latest
Republican

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Party
d

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rama
following

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the
Supreme

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Court
blowout.

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This
is

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inside
I'monsin politics.

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Shawn
Johnson

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here with my
colleagues

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Anya van
Rich Kremernd

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in Eau
Claire.

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Hey,
gang.

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>>
Hey,

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Shawn.
>> So

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part of
wantedeason we

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to talk about these
races is

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that they
are

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interesting.
Okay. If

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you
been following

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these primaries
yet

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and
you'll be

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forgiven.
It's

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April,
but the

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races
ther

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seventh
District, especiall

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y
on

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the
Republican

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side
and

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the
Democratic

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primary
for

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governor,
are

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pretty
dramatic.

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Let's start
with

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the
seventh, though,

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Rich,
because

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another
reason we

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want to follow
these

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is
that

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they
involve

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endorsements
that

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seem like
they could

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define
the

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race.
Tell us

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about what
upappened

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in the seventh,
where

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you got kind of
the biggest

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endorsement of
all.

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>> Yeah,
truly.

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President
Donald

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Trump,
way

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back
in

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January,
endorsed

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one of
the

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candidates
running

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for
that

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seat,
Michael

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Alfonso.
Of

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course,
Michael

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Alfonso
is the

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son in
law of

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U.S.
Transportation

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Secretary
Shawn Duffy,

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who
also

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had
that

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congressional
seat

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before.
So it

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definitely
created

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a stir
within

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the
primary.

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And I'm
you'll

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be
hearing a little

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bit about that
endorsement

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in the
general.

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>> And
the

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reason
we

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have
open

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race
up

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there,
Ana,

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is
because the

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current
officeholder, Tom

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Tiffany,
is

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running for
governor.

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We're going to get
race int

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a bit. But first
all, with Tom

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Tiffany as he
governor's race,

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he also
Trumpat

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endorsement.
How has

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that played
hist in

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race
there?

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>> Yeah, I
mean, if people,

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you
know, go all the

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way
were2025, there

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briefly
three

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Republican
candidates

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for
governor

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alongside
Tom

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Tiffany.
One

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dropped
out

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after
some

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negative
reporting

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about some
of the

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stuff he'd been following
on social media. That

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was
Schoemann, Washington

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County executive, stayed in
the race

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until
the

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morning
after

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Tom
Tiffany

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got the
Trump

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endorsement
and he

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dropped
out.

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And so it
was

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a little bit of
this nod to

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the
fact that in a

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Republican
primary,

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a nod
from

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Trump
can really

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be a
sort of

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kingmaking
move, at

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least
in the

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primary. But
then it can

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also
allad to

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kinds
of stuff in the

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general.
a really

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cause
effect

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situation there,
right?

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Endorsement.
One

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day
he

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drops out
the

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next.
That

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has not
been

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the case
the

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seventh though.
Rich. I

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mean, I think that
general playbook

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is
that

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Trump
endorses.

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And
people

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sort of
assume

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that in a
Republican

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primary
that

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seals
it.

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That
is not

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what's
happening

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there.
youd

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kind of saw
it

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first
last

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night
at a

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candidate
forum

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in
Mercer.

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Tell us
about

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that.
>> Yeah.

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So
this

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forum
was

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hosted by
the

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Iron
County

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Republican
Party.

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It was
in

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a
former

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gymnasium of a
very

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old
school.

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And it
happened

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on the
first

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80
degree

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day
that

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Mercer
saw

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this year.
So

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it was
a nice

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event.
But

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the
theme

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was,
if I might

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summarize
candidates

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and some
people I

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talked to in the
audience, we

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support
President

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Trump,
but that

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doesn't
mean

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we have to
vote

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for
who he

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tells
us

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to.
So

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a lot of
people

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up there,
and

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this was
actually

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the
first

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time
that I

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saw.
Candidates,

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Republican
candidates,

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Kevin
Hermening

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and
Jesse

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Ebben
go

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negative
against

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Alfonso.
They were

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criticizing
Alfonso, who is

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26 years
old,

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26
years

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old,
for not

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having
very much

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experience
in

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politics
local

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government,
etc.

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and
were

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portraying
themselves as the

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better
choice.

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But
they also

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there
discussion

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about,
you

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know, does
El

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Alonzo
Duffyn

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feel
like

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this
congressional

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seat
is

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something
that he's

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entitled
to?

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So
it was

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really
interesting

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people
there tip

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toeing
the

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line of
still supporting

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the
president,

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who
did

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very
inl

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this
whichrict,

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leans
pretty

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Republican,
but

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they
just

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don't.
There's this

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independent
streak

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where
they don't

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like the
idea of

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being told what to
do.

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>> And I
got to ask you

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about what they did
stagehe

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there,
too,

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because
assigned

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seats
allr

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the
candidates,

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including
Michael

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Alfonso.
>> Yeah.

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And
in

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fact, the
only

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seat
that

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was
that had

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a
sign

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on it was
Michael

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Alfonso. So
you had

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the
three

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of the
Republican

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candidates were
on

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the
stage. That's

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Nina
Baum,

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Jesse
Ebben

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and
Kevin

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Hermening.
And then

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there
was an

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empty
chair

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with
Michael

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Alfonso's
name on

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a
paperof

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taped to
it.

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And
even

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during
the

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the
debate,

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Kevin
Hermening

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stretched
his arm

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out
and

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kind of
put it

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on. The
chair had a

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big
smile. His

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campaign
person took

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a
picture

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that made
it

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up,
made it on

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social
pretty

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quickly.
So there

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was
that.

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But even
thefore

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debate, one of
the

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interesting things that
kind

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of got
me

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interested
going up

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there
was

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this
Republican

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Party.
Their

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Facebook
page

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was
essentially

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goading
or

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13:27:03,991 --> 13:27:04,625
kind
making

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13:27:04,691 --> 13:27:05,392
a little
bit

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13:27:05,459 --> 13:27:06,827
of
Alfonso's

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13:27:06,894 --> 13:27:07,528
campaign
for

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13:27:07,594 --> 13:27:09,129
not
responding.

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13:27:09,196 --> 13:27:09,963
The
GOP

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13:27:10,030 --> 13:27:10,764
chair up
there

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13:27:10,831 --> 13:27:11,832
told me
that

303
13:27:11,899 --> 13:27:12,566
people he
knows

304
13:27:12,633 --> 13:27:13,634
with
Michael

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13:27:13,700 --> 13:27:14,368
Alfonso
campaign

306
13:27:14,434 --> 13:27:15,135
told him
that

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13:27:15,202 --> 13:27:15,869
the Trump
endorsed

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13:27:15,936 --> 13:27:16,436
candidate
doesn't

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13:27:16,503 --> 13:27:18,005
need to
debate,

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13:27:18,071 --> 13:27:19,039
and
in thee

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13:27:19,106 --> 13:27:19,940
audience
say

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13:27:20,007 --> 13:27:20,807
that.
They

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13:27:20,874 --> 13:27:21,742
told me
that's

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13:27:21,808 --> 13:27:22,209
just
the

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13:27:22,276 --> 13:27:22,943
case.
Like,

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13:27:23,010 --> 13:27:24,111
this
is

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13:27:24,178 --> 13:27:25,245
important.
You've

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13:27:25,312 --> 13:27:26,813
got to
and this district

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13:27:26,880 --> 13:27:27,981
meet people
one

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13:27:28,048 --> 13:27:28,649
by
one.

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13:27:28,715 --> 13:27:30,150
And
that's

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13:27:30,217 --> 13:27:30,851
that's what it
toes

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win.
>> So

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13:27:32,286 --> 13:27:33,120
you have
candidates who

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13:27:33,187 --> 13:27:34,521
are
racethat

326
13:27:34,588 --> 13:27:36,023
saying,
you can't

327
13:27:36,089 --> 13:27:37,858
tell
what to do. We're

328
13:27:37,925 --> 13:27:38,892
still
Anya,g up here.

329
13:27:38,959 --> 13:27:40,327
although
one of the

330
13:27:40,394 --> 13:27:41,195
candidates who
which

331
13:27:41,261 --> 13:27:42,029
has
reporting

332
13:27:42,095 --> 13:27:42,663
on,
did

333
13:27:42,729 --> 13:27:43,363
drop
out

334
13:27:43,430 --> 13:27:44,531
this
week.

335
13:27:44,598 --> 13:27:45,399
Tell
us

336
13:27:45,465 --> 13:27:46,466
about
that. Paul

337
13:27:46,533 --> 13:27:47,935
Ryan
the race.

338
13:27:48,001 --> 13:27:48,936
Yeah. So Paul
Washburn

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13:27:49,002 --> 13:27:49,837
is a
successful business

340
13:27:49,903 --> 13:27:50,904
person. He had
a

341
13:27:50,971 --> 13:27:53,040
largely
self-funded

342
13:27:53,106 --> 13:27:54,575
campaign. And
dropping out is kind

343
13:27:54,641 --> 13:27:55,609
of the first
big

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13:27:55,676 --> 13:27:56,677
drop out
of the

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race.
And that's one

346
13:27:57,945 --> 13:28:00,214
of the things we
look tof

347
13:28:00,280 --> 13:28:02,216
going into a
these crowdedn

348
13:28:02,282 --> 13:28:03,917
fields, is
dropping out.

349
13:28:03,984 --> 13:28:05,986
So this is
of the first one.

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13:28:06,053 --> 13:28:07,855
He
moneyt ofd quite

351
13:28:08,188 --> 13:28:10,090
from himself, as I
mentioned, but very little

352
13:28:10,157 --> 13:28:12,125
in terms of independent
donors. And then by

353
13:28:12,192 --> 13:28:13,126
contrast, you have Alfonso,
who has received

354
13:28:13,193 --> 13:28:14,862
quite
bit of money

355
13:28:15,195 --> 13:28:16,864
from this,
PenceC connected

356
13:28:16,930 --> 13:28:17,865
studies on, you know,
one thing

357
13:28:17,931 --> 13:28:19,099
that
when

358
13:28:19,166 --> 13:28:19,833
Rich
covered

359
13:28:19,900 --> 13:28:20,868
the the
empty

360
13:28:20,934 --> 13:28:21,568
chair
Alfonso

361
13:28:21,635 --> 13:28:22,302
was
posting at

362
13:28:22,369 --> 13:28:23,070
the
time on

363
13:28:23,136 --> 13:28:23,737
Facebook.
Photos

364
13:28:23,804 --> 13:28:24,538
of
him

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13:28:24,605 --> 13:28:25,405
with
Republican

366
13:28:25,472 --> 13:28:26,607
Congress
ineople

367
13:28:26,673 --> 13:28:27,508
DC. So
he has

368
13:28:27,574 --> 13:28:28,742
these
big

369
13:28:28,809 --> 13:28:30,177
connections. And so I
ithink

370
13:28:30,244 --> 13:28:32,145
was a little bit
signal that

371
13:28:32,212 --> 13:28:33,146
even people
pockets are

372
13:28:33,213 --> 13:28:34,515
not
necessarily

373
13:28:34,581 --> 13:28:35,182
feeling
up to

374
13:28:35,249 --> 13:28:36,216
the
challenge. He

375
13:28:36,283 --> 13:28:36,717
also said
that he

376
13:28:36,783 --> 13:28:37,684
didn't
want to

377
13:28:37,751 --> 13:28:39,553
Oscar, and
didn'tthat he

378
13:28:39,620 --> 13:28:41,288
want to kind of
contribute to a bloody

379
13:28:41,355 --> 13:28:42,422
primary, that that could

380
13:28:42,489 --> 13:28:43,457
Democrats. And

381
13:28:43,524 --> 13:28:45,592
so I think we're
see ag to

382
13:28:45,659 --> 13:28:47,594
little bit of that,
you know, bowing out

383
13:28:47,661 --> 13:28:49,363
in
of theoodmaintain

384
13:28:49,429 --> 13:28:51,098
party.
>> Yeah.

385
13:28:51,532 --> 13:28:52,165
If I
could

386
13:28:52,232 --> 13:28:52,766
just
chime

387
13:28:52,833 --> 13:28:53,534
in
on

388
13:28:53,600 --> 13:28:55,335
that.
So

389
13:28:55,402 --> 13:28:56,036
the
other

390
13:28:56,103 --> 13:28:56,937
thing
is

391
13:28:57,004 --> 13:28:57,738
that, you
know, there's

392
13:28:57,804 --> 13:28:58,939
this
political

393
13:28:59,006 --> 13:28:59,339
action
committee

394
13:28:59,406 --> 13:29:00,073
that
has

395
13:29:00,140 --> 13:29:01,275
been
raising

396
13:29:01,341 --> 13:29:01,909
money.
It's based

397
13:29:01,975 --> 13:29:02,676
in
Alabama,

398
13:29:02,743 --> 13:29:03,243
it's
brand

399
13:29:03,310 --> 13:29:04,878
new
and

400
13:29:04,945 --> 13:29:05,979
it's been
getting

401
13:29:06,046 --> 13:29:06,947
some of that money,
$1 million

402
13:29:07,014 --> 13:29:08,148
from
Shawn

403
13:29:08,215 --> 13:29:09,550
Duffy's former
congressional

404
13:29:09,616 --> 13:29:10,417
campaign.
sond

405
13:29:10,484 --> 13:29:11,285
they've
essentially been

406
13:29:11,351 --> 13:29:11,985
doing a
lot

407
13:29:12,052 --> 13:29:12,819
of
ads, a

408
13:29:12,886 --> 13:29:13,320
lot
of

409
13:29:13,387 --> 13:29:14,521
work
for

410
13:29:14,588 --> 13:29:15,656
Alfonso.
Therefore, he hasn't had

411
13:29:15,722 --> 13:29:16,256
to
spend

412
13:29:16,323 --> 13:29:17,457
as
much of the

413
13:29:17,524 --> 13:29:18,225
money
actually

414
13:29:18,292 --> 13:29:19,359
raised.
And

415
13:29:19,426 --> 13:29:20,794
with
regard to

416
13:29:20,861 --> 13:29:22,229
Wasserman,
what you

417
13:29:22,296 --> 13:29:23,197
noticed,
Shawn, on

418
13:29:23,263 --> 13:29:23,931
that
last

419
13:29:23,997 --> 13:29:24,565
finance
report

420
13:29:24,631 --> 13:29:25,399
that
that we

421
13:29:25,465 --> 13:29:26,366
looked
when I was

422
13:29:26,433 --> 13:29:27,167
reporting
on

423
13:29:27,234 --> 13:29:28,902
it,
there was some

424
13:29:29,570 --> 13:29:31,471
interesting loan
information. You want to

425
13:29:31,538 --> 13:29:32,773
talk about that?
>>

426
13:29:32,840 --> 13:29:34,842
Oh, yeah. I mean,
I think the

427
13:29:34,908 --> 13:29:36,443
thing that got
attention for Paul

428
13:29:36,510 --> 13:29:37,444
Wasserman when he jumped
into

429
13:29:37,511 --> 13:29:38,478
the race
was, as

430
13:29:38,545 --> 13:29:39,646
you
antioned,

431
13:29:39,713 --> 13:29:40,647
ability to
funds.

432
13:29:40,714 --> 13:29:41,715
So he loaned
himself

433
13:29:41,782 --> 13:29:42,683
a million bucks
there

434
13:29:42,749 --> 13:29:44,418
to start out.
He had

435
13:29:44,484 --> 13:29:45,018
repaid a
lot of

436
13:29:45,085 --> 13:29:45,919
that
in

437
13:29:45,986 --> 13:29:46,553
the
the

438
13:29:46,620 --> 13:29:47,521
last
report.

439
13:29:47,588 --> 13:29:48,989
So
I

440
13:29:49,056 --> 13:29:50,424
think it's
a

441
13:29:50,490 --> 13:29:51,959
situation
theremoney in

442
13:29:52,025 --> 13:29:53,160
to send a
message.

443
13:29:53,227 --> 13:29:54,161
He
not wellt was

444
13:29:54,228 --> 13:29:54,995
received
and

445
13:29:55,062 --> 13:29:55,796
took the money
back

446
13:29:55,863 --> 13:29:56,396
and
got on

447
13:29:56,463 --> 13:29:58,131
out
there.

448
13:29:58,498 --> 13:29:59,132
Rich,
I

449
13:29:59,199 --> 13:29:59,933
guess
one

450
13:30:00,000 --> 13:30:00,701
thing we
got

451
13:30:00,767 --> 13:30:01,735
to ask
thise,

452
13:30:01,802 --> 13:30:03,103
is a very
Republican

453
13:30:03,170 --> 13:30:04,705
district. And so we
talking about this

454
13:30:04,771 --> 13:30:05,606
Republican
primary.

455
13:30:05,672 --> 13:30:07,508
But
this

456
13:30:07,574 --> 13:30:08,242
a
situation

457
13:30:08,308 --> 13:30:08,976
where
because of

458
13:30:09,042 --> 13:30:10,711
this
infighting,

459
13:30:11,044 --> 13:30:12,346
you know,
uneasiness among

460
13:30:12,412 --> 13:30:12,746
Republicans up
there,

461
13:30:12,813 --> 13:30:13,547
is
this

462
13:30:13,614 --> 13:30:14,314
a
door open

463
13:30:14,381 --> 13:30:16,049
for
Democrats?

464
13:30:18,051 --> 13:30:18,986
>> I've
heard that

465
13:30:19,052 --> 13:30:20,020
it is,
I've

466
13:30:20,087 --> 13:30:20,888
heard that it
isn't.

467
13:30:20,954 --> 13:30:21,889
So this
is a

468
13:30:21,955 --> 13:30:23,457
district
that

469
13:30:23,524 --> 13:30:24,725
has
tended to

470
13:30:24,791 --> 13:30:25,692
be
more

471
13:30:25,759 --> 13:30:26,527
and more
Republican

472
13:30:26,593 --> 13:30:27,661
since,
say,

473
13:30:27,728 --> 13:30:28,262
2010.
toe have

474
13:30:28,328 --> 13:30:29,429
also
remember

475
13:30:29,496 --> 13:30:30,731
that
former

476
13:30:30,797 --> 13:30:31,198
Democratic
Congressman

477
13:30:31,265 --> 13:30:32,833
Dave
Obey

478
13:30:32,900 --> 13:30:33,767
represented
that

479
13:30:33,834 --> 13:30:34,501
the
seventh for

480
13:30:34,568 --> 13:30:35,202
many,
many

481
13:30:35,269 --> 13:30:36,937
years.
But of

482
13:30:37,271 --> 13:30:37,738
course, with
the Tea

483
13:30:37,804 --> 13:30:39,473
Party
wave,

484
13:30:40,007 --> 13:30:41,375
Shawn
goty

485
13:30:41,441 --> 13:30:41,909
in and
and

486
13:30:41,975 --> 13:30:43,277
it
stayed

487
13:30:43,343 --> 13:30:43,977
Republican
since, of

488
13:30:44,044 --> 13:30:44,945
course,
the map also

489
13:30:45,012 --> 13:30:46,146
changed.
But

490
13:30:46,213 --> 13:30:46,680
just what
beene

491
13:30:46,747 --> 13:30:47,481
told by
Joe

492
13:30:47,548 --> 13:30:48,115
Hendrick,
who's

493
13:30:48,182 --> 13:30:48,749
kind of
like

494
13:30:48,815 --> 13:30:49,883
the
the

495
13:30:49,950 --> 13:30:50,651
maps
and

496
13:30:50,717 --> 13:30:52,419
elections
data

497
13:30:52,486 --> 13:30:53,954
guru
for the

498
13:30:54,021 --> 13:30:55,656
Republicans
is

499
13:30:55,722 --> 13:30:57,024
that
it

500
13:30:57,090 --> 13:30:58,692
is
would becan. It

501
13:30:58,759 --> 13:30:59,693
an uphill
forttle

502
13:30:59,760 --> 13:31:01,094
any
Democrat.

503
13:31:01,161 --> 13:31:02,729
But
it's

504
13:31:02,796 --> 13:31:03,597
not
impossible. And

505
13:31:03,664 --> 13:31:04,164
he
said

506
13:31:04,231 --> 13:31:04,998
if the
GOP

507
13:31:05,065 --> 13:31:05,499
picks
the

508
13:31:05,566 --> 13:31:06,200
wrong
candidate in

509
13:31:06,266 --> 13:31:07,234
the
primary

510
13:31:07,301 --> 13:31:07,901
and
it's

511
13:31:07,968 --> 13:31:08,669
a wave
year,

512
13:31:08,735 --> 13:31:09,503
which
He

513
13:31:09,570 --> 13:31:10,537
said, it
seems to

514
13:31:10,604 --> 13:31:11,438
be
looking like it

515
13:31:11,505 --> 13:31:13,140
might be.
It's

516
13:31:13,207 --> 13:31:13,774
possible for
this

517
13:31:13,841 --> 13:31:14,441
to
flip

518
13:31:14,508 --> 13:31:15,576
back
to

519
13:31:15,642 --> 13:31:17,411
Democratic
hands.

520
13:31:17,477 --> 13:31:18,245
Whether
that

521
13:31:18,312 --> 13:31:19,980
happens
Hendrick

522
13:31:20,047 --> 13:31:21,281
said. It's
unlikely,

523
13:31:21,348 --> 13:31:22,015
but
it's not

524
13:31:22,082 --> 13:31:23,851
off
table.

525
13:31:23,917 --> 13:31:25,018
>> So
let's turn

526
13:31:25,085 --> 13:31:25,919
to the
primaryic

527
13:31:25,986 --> 13:31:26,720
for
governor

528
13:31:26,787 --> 13:31:27,454
here,
where

529
13:31:27,521 --> 13:31:28,689
we
have

530
13:31:28,755 --> 13:31:29,623
seven
candidates

531
13:31:29,690 --> 13:31:30,691
running.
And it

532
13:31:30,757 --> 13:31:31,658
is at
stage

533
13:31:31,725 --> 13:31:32,759
not
getting

534
13:31:32,826 --> 13:31:33,861
a ton
of

535
13:31:33,927 --> 13:31:35,028
attention statewide.
I mean,

536
13:31:35,095 --> 13:31:36,997
we did just have
Court race

537
13:31:37,064 --> 13:31:39,233
that ate up some
of that. There's a

538
13:31:39,299 --> 13:31:40,634
little
that has people'sht

539
13:31:40,701 --> 13:31:41,702
attention
Barron

540
13:31:41,768 --> 13:31:42,336
in
that

541
13:31:42,402 --> 13:31:43,170
race,
it

542
13:31:43,237 --> 13:31:44,371
feels
like

543
13:31:44,438 --> 13:31:45,305
you could be
talking

544
13:31:45,372 --> 13:31:45,739
about
endorsements

545
13:31:45,806 --> 13:31:46,440
every
week in

546
13:31:46,507 --> 13:31:47,140
a
way about

547
13:31:47,207 --> 13:31:47,941
how
that

548
13:31:48,008 --> 13:31:49,109
might
affect the

549
13:31:49,176 --> 13:31:49,977
race.
What's one

550
13:31:50,043 --> 13:31:50,744
that
caught

551
13:31:50,811 --> 13:31:51,645
our eye
this

552
13:31:51,712 --> 13:31:53,146
week?
>> Yeah. I mean,

553
13:31:53,213 --> 13:31:55,315
so there
all of these kind

554
13:31:55,382 --> 13:31:57,251
of smaller or more
endorsements that have

555
13:31:57,317 --> 13:31:58,485
been
firefightersgh. So

556
13:31:58,552 --> 13:31:59,319
unions or
kind of

557
13:31:59,386 --> 13:32:00,420
thing.
But then

558
13:32:00,487 --> 13:32:01,722
this week
was the

559
13:32:01,788 --> 13:32:02,923
first, at
least that I've noticed

560
13:32:02,990 --> 13:32:03,657
sort of
national

561
13:32:03,724 --> 13:32:04,157
figure
to

562
13:32:04,224 --> 13:32:05,425
back a
candidate.

563
13:32:05,492 --> 13:32:06,260
So
Ilhan

564
13:32:06,326 --> 13:32:07,561
Omar of
Minnesota

565
13:32:07,628 --> 13:32:08,595
backed
Francesca Hong, who

566
13:32:08,662 --> 13:32:10,163
is
a

567
13:32:10,230 --> 13:32:11,965
Democratic
fromresentative

568
13:32:12,032 --> 13:32:12,466
Madison, she
withgns

569
13:32:12,533 --> 13:32:13,901
the
Democratic

570
13:32:13,967 --> 13:32:15,335
Socialists sort of
And soorm.

571
13:32:15,402 --> 13:32:15,936
she's
one of the

572
13:32:16,003 --> 13:32:17,271
further
left

573
13:32:17,337 --> 13:32:17,804
candidates,
obviously,

574
13:32:17,871 --> 13:32:18,805
getting
the

575
13:32:18,872 --> 13:32:19,540
backing of a
further

576
13:32:19,606 --> 13:32:20,807
left
ofber

577
13:32:20,874 --> 13:32:21,408
Congress. And
this

578
13:32:21,475 --> 13:32:22,209
really caught
our

579
13:32:22,276 --> 13:32:23,143
attention
for sort of

580
13:32:23,210 --> 13:32:23,944
a
double edged

581
13:32:24,011 --> 13:32:24,478
reason,
right,

582
13:32:24,545 --> 13:32:25,345
that that
can

583
13:32:25,412 --> 13:32:26,246
really
signal

584
13:32:26,313 --> 13:32:27,147
where Huang
stands

585
13:32:27,214 --> 13:32:28,215
here in
Wisconsin.

586
13:32:28,282 --> 13:32:28,815
But of
course,

587
13:32:28,882 --> 13:32:30,050
Ilhan
Omar

588
13:32:30,117 --> 13:32:30,684
has
plenty of

589
13:32:30,751 --> 13:32:31,218
people
who

590
13:32:31,285 --> 13:32:31,952
don't
care for

591
13:32:32,019 --> 13:32:33,320
her
in

592
13:32:33,387 --> 13:32:33,921
the
Republican

593
13:32:33,987 --> 13:32:34,788
and
oft

594
13:32:34,855 --> 13:32:35,422
conservative side
of

595
13:32:35,489 --> 13:32:36,190
things. And
so

596
13:32:36,256 --> 13:32:37,357
looking
towards the

597
13:32:37,424 --> 13:32:38,592
general
election, I'm

598
13:32:38,659 --> 13:32:39,526
curious what
it'll mean to

599
13:32:39,593 --> 13:32:41,261
have
these more

600
13:32:41,328 --> 13:32:42,329
divisive
endorsements. But right

601
13:32:42,396 --> 13:32:43,063
now,
it's also

602
13:32:43,130 --> 13:32:43,897
really
interesting

603
13:32:43,964 --> 13:32:45,365
for
a big

604
13:32:45,432 --> 13:32:46,200
national figure with a
lot

605
13:32:46,266 --> 13:32:47,167
of
media

606
13:32:47,234 --> 13:32:47,801
attention,
social

607
13:32:47,868 --> 13:32:48,535
media
attention,

608
13:32:48,602 --> 13:32:49,036
to be
throwing

609
13:32:49,102 --> 13:32:50,137
her
weight

610
13:32:50,204 --> 13:32:51,972
behind
candidate in the

611
13:32:52,039 --> 13:32:53,106
Wisconsin governor's
election.

612
13:32:53,173 --> 13:32:54,074
>> Yeah, to
me,

613
13:32:54,141 --> 13:32:54,741
I think
if

614
13:32:54,808 --> 13:32:55,242
you're
a

615
13:32:55,309 --> 13:32:56,076
voter out
there

616
13:32:56,143 --> 13:32:57,277
who's
barely

617
13:32:57,344 --> 13:32:58,011
paying
attention to these

618
13:32:58,078 --> 13:32:58,779
races
this point,

619
13:32:58,846 --> 13:32:59,580
and
you

620
13:32:59,646 --> 13:33:00,247
have
this,

621
13:33:00,314 --> 13:33:02,015
you
know,

622
13:33:02,082 --> 13:33:02,916
overwhelming
list

623
13:33:02,983 --> 13:33:03,717
of
choices in

624
13:33:03,784 --> 13:33:04,351
front of
you,

625
13:33:04,418 --> 13:33:05,352
essentially,
they're

626
13:33:05,419 --> 13:33:06,053
probably
looking

627
13:33:06,119 --> 13:33:06,653
for
clues

628
13:33:06,720 --> 13:33:07,487
on
if they

629
13:33:07,554 --> 13:33:08,589
want to
go

630
13:33:08,655 --> 13:33:09,656
for a
liberal

631
13:33:09,723 --> 13:33:10,257
candidate.
This is

632
13:33:10,324 --> 13:33:11,291
a way
of

633
13:33:11,358 --> 13:33:12,559
sending
message,

634
13:33:12,626 --> 13:33:13,861
that
Representative Hong is

635
13:33:13,927 --> 13:33:15,495
that
candidate. You know, you

636
13:33:15,562 --> 13:33:16,463
don't earn an endorsement
like that

637
13:33:16,530 --> 13:33:17,097
without
being

638
13:33:17,164 --> 13:33:18,198
a
candidate

639
13:33:18,265 --> 13:33:18,866
like that.
iso it

640
13:33:18,932 --> 13:33:20,567
a
way to send a

641
13:33:20,634 --> 13:33:21,668
little Q
kind of

642
13:33:21,735 --> 13:33:22,970
early going,
>>ight.

643
13:33:23,036 --> 13:33:24,137
There's not a lot
differentiation on

644
13:33:24,204 --> 13:33:25,272
policy
issues.

645
13:33:25,339 --> 13:33:26,673
There's some
differentiation on sort of

646
13:33:26,740 --> 13:33:27,174
the
specifics of

647
13:33:27,241 --> 13:33:28,242
things.
But

648
13:33:28,308 --> 13:33:29,476
basically every
Democratic

649
13:33:29,543 --> 13:33:30,677
candidate
supports

650
13:33:30,744 --> 13:33:31,378
abortion
rights,

651
13:33:31,445 --> 13:33:32,946
supports
expanding

652
13:33:33,013 --> 13:33:34,915
Medicaid.
kind of thesee

653
13:33:34,982 --> 13:33:36,116
of signals there. And
so endorsement can

654
13:33:36,183 --> 13:33:36,517
offer
a

655
13:33:36,583 --> 13:33:37,551
more
specific

656
13:33:37,618 --> 13:33:38,952
kind of
endorsement, I'm

657
13:33:39,019 --> 13:33:40,587
sorry,
a

658
13:33:40,654 --> 13:33:41,755
signal
around

659
13:33:41,822 --> 13:33:42,389
values. And
also,

660
13:33:42,456 --> 13:33:43,323
again,
invite

661
13:33:43,390 --> 13:33:44,558
some of
media attention

662
13:33:44,625 --> 13:33:46,193
that
come with that. So

663
13:33:46,260 --> 13:33:47,928
it's
have, oh, Io

664
13:33:48,295 --> 13:33:50,364
the support of this
local union in my

665
13:33:50,430 --> 13:33:52,499
community.
about myydoes

666
13:33:52,566 --> 13:33:53,901
support for
another thing, if,

667
13:33:53,967 --> 13:33:55,035
you know,
Mamdani

668
13:33:55,102 --> 13:33:55,869
comes in
and

669
13:33:55,936 --> 13:33:56,637
backs
you, right, a

670
13:33:56,703 --> 13:33:57,871
sort
nationally

671
13:33:57,938 --> 13:33:58,972
famous
figure

672
13:33:59,039 --> 13:33:59,740
where people
have

673
13:33:59,806 --> 13:34:01,108
already
doneof

674
13:34:01,175 --> 13:34:02,943
the work to
is.o that person

675
13:34:03,010 --> 13:34:04,912
And so then they
apply it to

676
13:34:04,978 --> 13:34:07,214
the candidates
>> Rich.

677
13:34:13,086 --> 13:34:13,720
We
can't hear

678
13:34:13,787 --> 13:34:15,455
you.
Rich.

679
13:34:22,062 --> 13:34:22,629
So
Ana,

680
13:34:22,696 --> 13:34:23,864
I
guess

681
13:34:23,931 --> 13:34:24,831
a
question that

682
13:34:24,898 --> 13:34:26,366
I have
it comes to

683
13:34:26,433 --> 13:34:27,167
endorsements
this on

684
13:34:27,234 --> 13:34:28,101
the
Democratic

685
13:34:28,168 --> 13:34:29,069
side,
is

686
13:34:29,136 --> 13:34:29,770
there an
equivalent

687
13:34:29,837 --> 13:34:30,604
to
the

688
13:34:30,671 --> 13:34:31,872
Donald
Trump

689
13:34:31,939 --> 13:34:32,906
endorsement
where

690
13:34:32,973 --> 13:34:33,407
if
person

691
13:34:33,473 --> 13:34:35,175
comes
in,

692
13:34:35,242 --> 13:34:36,343
you
kind it's

693
13:34:36,410 --> 13:34:38,145
of all over
>> Irimary?

694
13:34:38,212 --> 13:34:39,146
mean, put simply,
no,

695
13:34:39,213 --> 13:34:40,614
Trump is
really the

696
13:34:40,681 --> 13:34:42,082
standard bearer for the
Republican Party and has

697
13:34:42,149 --> 13:34:43,550
been for a
decade.

698
13:34:43,617 --> 13:34:44,384
Democrats just don't
have

699
13:34:44,451 --> 13:34:45,719
that
equivalent

700
13:34:45,786 --> 13:34:46,854
person, in
part because,

701
13:34:46,920 --> 13:34:48,655
you know, you
have some of this

702
13:34:48,722 --> 13:34:49,790
division between more
st

703
13:34:49,857 --> 13:34:50,891
Democrats and more
wing

704
13:34:50,958 --> 13:34:51,658
Democrats. And
so,

705
13:34:51,725 --> 13:34:52,259
again,
somebody

706
13:34:52,326 --> 13:34:53,093
like
Ilhan

707
13:34:53,160 --> 13:34:54,261
Omar is
going to

708
13:34:54,328 --> 13:34:55,195
really
peopleto

709
13:34:55,262 --> 13:34:56,430
who are
kind of

710
13:34:56,496 --> 13:34:58,165
already in the
Francesca Hong

711
13:34:58,232 --> 13:34:59,633
camp,
notuld

712
13:34:59,700 --> 13:35:00,067
necessarily
appeal to

713
13:35:00,133 --> 13:35:00,934
more
sort

714
13:35:01,001 --> 13:35:01,702
of moderate
or

715
13:35:01,768 --> 13:35:02,736
business
minded

716
13:35:02,803 --> 13:35:03,937
Democrats.
And

717
13:35:04,004 --> 13:35:04,805
then there are
people,

718
13:35:04,872 --> 13:35:05,772
a
Kamala Harris

719
13:35:05,839 --> 13:35:06,673
or
similar who

720
13:35:06,740 --> 13:35:07,741
might appeal
more to

721
13:35:07,808 --> 13:35:09,009
those kind of
centrist

722
13:35:09,076 --> 13:35:09,877
folks. But
notere's

723
13:35:09,943 --> 13:35:10,944
really a
uniting

724
13:35:11,011 --> 13:35:11,845
figure
in the same

725
13:35:11,912 --> 13:35:12,312
way
that Donald

726
13:35:12,379 --> 13:35:13,080
Trump
is.

727
13:35:13,146 --> 13:35:13,780
>> You
could

728
13:35:13,847 --> 13:35:14,948
imagine
if,

729
13:35:15,015 --> 13:35:15,649
let's say,
former

730
13:35:15,716 --> 13:35:16,316
President
Obama

731
13:35:16,383 --> 13:35:16,950
were to
jump

732
13:35:17,017 --> 13:35:17,684
in
anith

733
13:35:17,751 --> 13:35:18,719
endorsement
primary,

734
13:35:18,785 --> 13:35:20,153
which
unlikely, but you

735
13:35:20,220 --> 13:35:21,054
never
mightThat

736
13:35:21,121 --> 13:35:21,722
turn some
heads.

737
13:35:21,788 --> 13:35:22,422
I
think one

738
13:35:22,489 --> 13:35:23,190
difference
is

739
13:35:23,257 --> 13:35:23,724
that
President

740
13:35:23,790 --> 13:35:24,992
Trump
has

741
13:35:25,058 --> 13:35:26,793
sort of
gone after

742
13:35:26,860 --> 13:35:27,561
people
who

743
13:35:27,628 --> 13:35:28,362
don't
fall in

744
13:35:28,428 --> 13:35:30,130
line
in a way that

745
13:35:30,197 --> 13:35:31,598
I don't know that
Obama would or

746
13:35:31,665 --> 13:35:33,333
could.
Trump

747
13:35:34,134 --> 13:35:35,502
brags about it,
mean, he. I

748
13:35:35,569 --> 13:35:36,904
is not afraid
to

749
13:35:36,970 --> 13:35:38,539
enforce
his

750
13:35:38,605 --> 13:35:39,940
endorsements.
Id so

751
13:35:40,007 --> 13:35:41,842
don't know that
thate something like

752
13:35:41,909 --> 13:35:43,544
on the Democratic side.
>> Well, and you

753
13:35:43,610 --> 13:35:44,778
also don't
Tony

754
13:35:44,845 --> 13:35:46,680
Evers weighing in
who would be a

755
13:35:46,747 --> 13:35:47,948
good sort
recipient of the

756
13:35:48,015 --> 13:35:49,850
torch
that he wants to

757
13:35:49,917 --> 13:35:51,952
pass. And
I have asked him

758
13:35:52,019 --> 13:35:54,054
several times if he's
to endorse and

759
13:35:54,121 --> 13:35:55,889
he shoots
time. Soeryon

760
13:35:55,956 --> 13:35:57,891
it looks like he's
really not playing

761
13:35:57,958 --> 13:35:59,026
And so that's,
another lack of

762
13:35:59,092 --> 13:36:01,028
a
signal, right? If if

763
13:36:01,094 --> 13:36:02,529
there's nobody to kind
carry forward the

764
13:36:02,596 --> 13:36:03,630
specific
Evers

765
13:36:03,697 --> 13:36:04,898
legacy, then
who is

766
13:36:04,965 --> 13:36:06,934
the person who can
he did,t

767
13:36:07,000 --> 13:36:08,368
which is win pretty
narrowly against a

768
13:36:08,435 --> 13:36:08,869
Republican?
>> Yeah.

769
13:36:08,936 --> 13:36:09,736
I want
to

770
13:36:09,803 --> 13:36:10,771
just
like

771
13:36:10,838 --> 13:36:11,238
reinforce
that that

772
13:36:11,305 --> 13:36:12,272
is
a

773
13:36:12,339 --> 13:36:13,540
perfectly
question and you

774
13:36:13,607 --> 13:36:15,642
should
asking it. And I

775
13:36:15,709 --> 13:36:16,577
think
different circumstances

776
13:36:16,643 --> 13:36:17,578
,
he'd have

777
13:36:17,644 --> 13:36:18,378
somebody.
But

778
13:36:18,445 --> 13:36:19,446
in
race, he

779
13:36:19,513 --> 13:36:20,314
doesn't want
to go

780
13:36:20,380 --> 13:36:20,881
there
for for

781
13:36:20,948 --> 13:36:22,182
whatever
reason.

782
13:36:22,249 --> 13:36:22,783
So I
guess

783
13:36:22,850 --> 13:36:23,750
it
is

784
13:36:23,817 --> 13:36:24,585
an open
question

785
13:36:24,651 --> 13:36:25,419
that
we could ask

786
13:36:25,485 --> 13:36:26,520
every
single

787
13:36:26,587 --> 13:36:27,521
campaign.
But I

788
13:36:27,588 --> 13:36:29,156
don't care.
I want to ask

789
13:36:29,223 --> 13:36:30,190
it again. Do
endorsements

790
13:36:30,257 --> 13:36:30,791
matter? Do
they

791
13:36:30,858 --> 13:36:31,458
matter
for

792
13:36:31,525 --> 13:36:33,193
for
voters?

793
13:36:33,627 --> 13:36:34,895
To
me,

794
13:36:34,962 --> 13:36:35,829
I think
the answer

795
13:36:35,896 --> 13:36:36,697
is
absolutely

796
13:36:36,763 --> 13:36:37,865
yes.
Given

797
13:36:37,931 --> 13:36:39,299
given
the

798
13:36:39,366 --> 13:36:41,201
circumstances.
One, I

799
13:36:41,268 --> 13:36:42,936
think that
see it you

800
13:36:43,003 --> 13:36:44,538
definitely mattering
ourn

801
13:36:44,605 --> 13:36:45,405
upcoming court
race. I

802
13:36:45,472 --> 13:36:47,074
don't know
you've paid attention

803
13:36:47,140 --> 13:36:48,809
to
knowean, Iet.

804
13:36:49,209 --> 13:36:49,977
you have you've
about it, but

805
13:36:50,043 --> 13:36:51,178
you
did not

806
13:36:51,245 --> 13:36:52,913
have
candidates

807
13:36:53,213 --> 13:36:54,047
endorse.
You

808
13:36:54,114 --> 13:36:54,715
did not
theve

809
13:36:54,781 --> 13:36:55,782
liberal
justices

810
13:36:55,849 --> 13:36:56,450
endorse
in that

811
13:36:56,517 --> 13:36:57,451
race
Soet.

812
13:36:57,518 --> 13:36:58,719
in the
2024

813
13:36:58,785 --> 13:36:59,286
Supreme
Court

814
13:36:59,353 --> 13:37:00,053
race, you
had the

815
13:37:00,120 --> 13:37:01,555
four sitting
liberal

816
13:37:01,622 --> 13:37:02,256
justices
endorsed

817
13:37:02,322 --> 13:37:02,890
Susan
Crawford

818
13:37:02,956 --> 13:37:03,590
early
on

819
13:37:03,657 --> 13:37:05,058
in
2025.

820
13:37:05,125 --> 13:37:05,759
You
had them

821
13:37:05,826 --> 13:37:06,593
endorse
Chris

822
13:37:06,660 --> 13:37:08,028
Taylor.
You've had

823
13:37:08,095 --> 13:37:08,729
a
candidate

824
13:37:08,795 --> 13:37:09,763
jump into
race

825
13:37:09,830 --> 13:37:10,831
this race
already.

826
13:37:10,898 --> 13:37:11,965
Ana
that you've written

827
13:37:12,032 --> 13:37:13,700
about
Lindsey

828
13:37:14,134 --> 13:37:15,035
Brunet,
she

829
13:37:15,102 --> 13:37:16,603
did not
immediately get that

830
13:37:16,670 --> 13:37:17,271
endorsement.
And so

831
13:37:17,337 --> 13:37:18,005
now
have

832
13:37:18,071 --> 13:37:19,640
maybe
Judge

833
13:37:19,706 --> 13:37:20,407
Pedro
Milwaukee

834
13:37:20,474 --> 13:37:21,141
could
be

835
13:37:21,208 --> 13:37:22,276
running.
So

836
13:37:22,342 --> 13:37:23,410
the lack
of

837
13:37:23,477 --> 13:37:24,411
endorsement may be
spawning

838
13:37:24,478 --> 13:37:25,379
a
little

839
13:37:25,445 --> 13:37:26,280
liberal
primary on

840
13:37:26,346 --> 13:37:27,080
that
side.

841
13:37:27,147 --> 13:37:27,714
>> Yeah.
Again, and

842
13:37:27,781 --> 13:37:28,315
especially
with

843
13:37:28,382 --> 13:37:28,916
the
courts,

844
13:37:28,982 --> 13:37:29,816
right. There
can be

845
13:37:29,883 --> 13:37:31,552
a
bit of that, you

846
13:37:31,885 --> 13:37:32,886
know, king making approach
again. So I

847
13:37:32,953 --> 13:37:34,621
think
when you

848
13:37:35,088 --> 13:37:36,456
have a crowded
reallythe endorsements

849
13:37:36,523 --> 13:37:37,524
matter. But
we live

850
13:37:37,591 --> 13:37:38,992
in also such
polarized

851
13:37:39,059 --> 13:37:39,526
times that
going

852
13:37:39,593 --> 13:37:40,394
into
a

853
13:37:40,460 --> 13:37:41,795
general
election,

854
13:37:41,862 --> 13:37:42,462
there
going to be very

855
13:37:42,529 --> 13:37:43,630
few
surprising

856
13:37:43,697 --> 13:37:44,464
endorsements.
So

857
13:37:44,531 --> 13:37:45,432
the people
that I've

858
13:37:45,499 --> 13:37:46,667
talked
about

859
13:37:46,733 --> 13:37:47,968
the
politics of

860
13:37:48,035 --> 13:37:49,236
endorsements have said, you
know,

861
13:37:49,303 --> 13:37:49,770
surprising
endorsements

862
13:37:49,837 --> 13:37:50,470
really
matter.

863
13:37:50,537 --> 13:37:51,538
Less
surprising

864
13:37:51,605 --> 13:37:52,372
ones
lesster

865
13:37:52,439 --> 13:37:53,006
because,
you know,

866
13:37:53,073 --> 13:37:54,474
of
course,

867
13:37:54,541 --> 13:37:55,108
Democratic
royalty

868
13:37:55,175 --> 13:37:55,876
is going
to

869
13:37:55,943 --> 13:37:56,476
back
Democrats

870
13:37:56,543 --> 13:37:57,578
and
Republican

871
13:37:57,644 --> 13:37:58,679
royalty
going to back

872
13:37:58,745 --> 13:37:59,913
Republicans
in

873
13:37:59,980 --> 13:38:00,781
general.
>> Before

874
13:38:00,848 --> 13:38:01,548
we
wrap

875
13:38:01,615 --> 13:38:02,816
up
I feel

876
13:38:02,883 --> 13:38:04,318
like we got to
about the

877
13:38:04,384 --> 13:38:05,519
kind
of thetermath

878
13:38:05,586 --> 13:38:06,220
2026
Supreme

879
13:38:06,286 --> 13:38:06,954
Court
race,

880
13:38:07,020 --> 13:38:07,754
though,
in

881
13:38:07,821 --> 13:38:08,355
just
aabout

882
13:38:08,422 --> 13:38:10,257
minute
here,

883
13:38:10,324 --> 13:38:10,958
there
some

884
13:38:11,024 --> 13:38:11,692
talk
that

885
13:38:11,758 --> 13:38:12,326
the
state

886
13:38:12,392 --> 13:38:13,594
party
chair,

887
13:38:13,660 --> 13:38:15,062
Brian
coulding,

888
13:38:15,128 --> 13:38:15,796
lose his
job over

889
13:38:15,863 --> 13:38:16,396
that
race. Some

890
13:38:16,463 --> 13:38:17,064
people
wanted

891
13:38:17,130 --> 13:38:18,632
him
out.

892
13:38:18,699 --> 13:38:19,166
What's the
update

893
13:38:19,233 --> 13:38:20,300
on
that?

894
13:38:20,367 --> 13:38:22,135
>> Yeah,
he's

895
13:38:22,202 --> 13:38:23,670
still
in

896
13:38:23,737 --> 13:38:24,271
the
party

897
13:38:24,338 --> 13:38:25,205
web
page still

898
13:38:25,272 --> 13:38:26,039
shows
him

899
13:38:26,106 --> 13:38:26,840
as
chairman.

900
13:38:26,907 --> 13:38:27,674
They
an

901
13:38:27,741 --> 13:38:28,709
executive
committee.

902
13:38:28,775 --> 13:38:29,710
So that's the
group

903
13:38:29,776 --> 13:38:30,744
of
people

904
13:38:30,811 --> 13:38:31,778
that
could

905
13:38:31,845 --> 13:38:32,980
have
and they

906
13:38:33,046 --> 13:38:33,847
apparently did
not.

907
13:38:33,914 --> 13:38:34,615
But
the

908
13:38:34,681 --> 13:38:35,949
twist
is

909
13:38:36,016 --> 13:38:36,450
people
I talked

910
13:38:36,517 --> 13:38:37,284
to
that

911
13:38:37,351 --> 13:38:38,252
are on the
committee

912
13:38:38,318 --> 13:38:39,253
said, we can't
tell

913
13:38:39,319 --> 13:38:40,487
you
happened

914
13:38:40,554 --> 13:38:41,221
there because
we

915
13:38:41,288 --> 13:38:42,623
signed
non-disclosure

916
13:38:42,689 --> 13:38:44,157
agreements.
Those

917
13:38:44,224 --> 13:38:44,725
agreements
were put

918
13:38:44,791 --> 13:38:45,859
in
effect

919
13:38:45,926 --> 13:38:47,594
in
December.

920
13:38:48,428 --> 13:38:49,496
And
for

921
13:38:49,563 --> 13:38:51,198
context,
after the

922
13:38:51,265 --> 13:38:52,933
2025
loss

923
13:38:53,333 --> 13:38:54,168
that
had,ublicans

924
13:38:54,234 --> 13:38:55,002
that was
the

925
13:38:55,068 --> 13:38:55,536
Schimel
and Susan

926
13:38:55,602 --> 13:38:56,603
Crawford
race.

927
13:38:56,670 --> 13:38:57,304
There
were

928
13:38:57,371 --> 13:38:58,872
calls
for

929
13:38:58,939 --> 13:38:59,540
Bryan
Schimming to

930
13:38:59,606 --> 13:39:01,375
be
fired

931
13:39:01,441 --> 13:39:02,409
or
resigned.

932
13:39:02,476 --> 13:39:03,143
So
kind of

933
13:39:03,210 --> 13:39:04,578
the
thing.

934
13:39:04,645 --> 13:39:05,245
And
shortly

935
13:39:05,312 --> 13:39:06,313
after
that,

936
13:39:06,380 --> 13:39:07,514
the
executive

937
13:39:07,581 --> 13:39:08,749
committee
passed

938
13:39:08,815 --> 13:39:09,850
some
new

939
13:39:09,917 --> 13:39:11,051
rules
to

940
13:39:11,118 --> 13:39:11,785
kind
of clamp

941
13:39:11,852 --> 13:39:12,886
down
people

942
13:39:12,953 --> 13:39:13,854
complaining
publicly

943
13:39:13,921 --> 13:39:14,621
about
GOP

944
13:39:14,688 --> 13:39:15,889
party
leadership.

945
13:39:15,956 --> 13:39:17,624
So
this

946
13:39:18,158 --> 13:39:20,160
is
Schimming is still in

947
13:39:20,227 --> 13:39:20,894
place,
there's a

948
13:39:20,961 --> 13:39:21,662
new
rule

949
13:39:21,728 --> 13:39:23,363
where you
have to sign an

950
13:39:23,430 --> 13:39:24,631
NDA.
executive committee

951
13:39:24,698 --> 13:39:25,365
for
the

952
13:39:25,432 --> 13:39:26,934
party
makes

953
13:39:27,000 --> 13:39:28,402
decisions like
this.

954
13:39:28,468 --> 13:39:29,169
And,
you know,

955
13:39:29,236 --> 13:39:30,871
you
to one of the

956
13:39:30,938 --> 13:39:32,206
members
didn't

957
13:39:32,272 --> 13:39:33,774
really tell
what went on, but

958
13:39:33,841 --> 13:39:34,908
he said,
check the

959
13:39:34,975 --> 13:39:37,211
website.
>> Yeah, check

960
13:39:37,945 --> 13:39:39,646
the
That's right.

961
13:39:39,713 --> 13:39:40,581
And there's Bryan
name asg

962
13:39:40,647 --> 13:39:42,316
chair.
Well,

963
13:39:42,783 --> 13:39:43,517
we'll
continue to

964
13:39:43,584 --> 13:39:44,384
follow that one
and

965
13:39:44,451 --> 13:39:45,352
all
these

966
13:39:45,419 --> 13:39:45,853
endorsements.
That'll

967
13:39:45,919 --> 13:39:46,753
do
it for

968
13:39:46,820 --> 13:39:47,321
this
week. That's

969
13:39:47,387 --> 13:39:47,988
all
the time we

970
13:39:48,055 --> 13:39:49,790
have.
Our

971
13:39:49,857 --> 13:39:51,692
colleague
beac Schultz will

972
13:39:51,758 --> 13:39:52,826
back next week. Thanks
for joining us.

973
13:39:52,893 --> 13:39:54,561
This
been

974
13:39:55,696 --> 13:39:57,130
inside Wisconsin
usure to follow

975
13:39:57,197 --> 13:39:59,032
on PBS
wisconsin.org.

976
13:39:59,099 --> 13:40:00,033
WPR.org,
YouTube,

977
13:40:00,100 --> 13:40:00,934
or
wherever you

978
13:40:01,001 --> 13:40:02,803
get your
podcasts.

979
13:40:25,459 --> 13:40:26,159
>> They've been they've
been wrestling with it,

980
13:40:26,226 --> 13:40:27,261
been wrestling with it,
forn,

981
13:40:27,327 --> 13:40:28,996
days.
Sorry,

982
13:40:30,097 --> 13:40:31,164
I
had

983
13:40:31,231 --> 13:40:32,900
a
banger

984
13:40:33,166 --> 13:40:34,835
answer
answer