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right.

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>> I'm just gonna
wing

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it
because I forgot to.

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>> Chris
Taylor

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Taylor
wins

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by a
landslide in this week's

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Supreme
Court

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race,
locking

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down
a

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Liberal
majority

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for
years.

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How'd
it

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happen
andwhat

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could it
mean?

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Plus,
the University of WisconsinBoard

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of Regents fires the
system. President

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and
Republicans

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don't
like

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it.
This

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is
inside Wisconsinpolitics.

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I'm Shawn
Johnson

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here with my
colleague

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Zac
Schultz Anya van Wagtendonkand

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Rich Kremer
in Eau

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Claire. Hey,
everyone.>>

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Hello.
>> So

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we've kind
of

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gotten
used

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to
these

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big
liberal

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blowouts.
Weid use

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the
term

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in
these

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April
elections.

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They have
figured

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out
howto win

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these
races.

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It
seems

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like
Chris

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Taylor,
though,

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took
that

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to
a new

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level
with

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her
race this

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time.
Anya,

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what's
I guess

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stuck
out

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to
you

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about
this

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massive
win by

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Chris
Taylor?

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>> Yeah, I mean, I think
we're all so used

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to
talking about Wisconsin andit's so purple.

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And
elections are frequently

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decided by less than
apercentage point. And

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then
we've had these springelections that are

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determined by closer to
ten

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points.
But this

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time it
was 20 points. And so that

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is such a
significantly

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larger gulf.
So we

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kind of
saw, you

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know, some of the
tea leaves leading into

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the
race, less spending,

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sort
of less excitement

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across
the board. The stakes weredifferent.

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But
Zac and I

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were
chatting on election

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night.
We were waiting

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around
at

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Chris
Taylor's,what

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turned
into her

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victory
party, and

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we were
saying, you know, this

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will
be an interestingexperiment to see with

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the
sort of pulled

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punches, the
pulled financial

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punches,
what

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kind of
margin will

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we
see?

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And
then it turned

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out
to be the largest marginI've ever

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seen. And from
what I understand in

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decades
in

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Wisconsin races.
>> Yeah, a

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20
point

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margin
as

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opposed to
the

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usual,
you

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know, quote
unquote

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ten
in these

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races.
Zac, howabout you?

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What stood out?
>> Well, just to add

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on to
that, earlier thatafternoon, I met

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up with
Chris Taylor on the UWcampus.

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And one of the
questions I asked her

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was,
are you worried because thelack of

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investment from the
Democratic Party ofWisconsin, which

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in past
elections has sent

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millions
of dollars

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to their
preferred

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candidate
or from

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outside
interest

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groups
who

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really spent
nothing,

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that
you're

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leaving
possible

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voters
at the

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door who
maynot be aware

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they need to
get out and vote. And

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she
said, no, I don't think so.And

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she was absolutely
right. And I think what

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this showed was that
bothsides knew where

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this
election was going early onand decided,

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we're going to
save our money for the

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fall.
There's enough to

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spend
iton there

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between
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very
tight assembly

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races,
obviously the governor's

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race
and even some

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competitive
Senate races

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that
may

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not
be fully

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decided, that
may

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determine
the margin for

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either party
in that

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chamber that
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they all
kind ofwalked

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away
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point where when you
saw Lazar at her

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party, you
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not a surprise to
her. Shewasn't shocked,

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maybe at
the final margin. But evenhearing

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from Republican
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there
were a lot of them saying,well,

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why weren't we trying
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think
thatwas the main

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takeaway, is
that everyone had an

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expectation that
this wasgoing to

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be the result.
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Rich, as we
sit

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here
today, what kind of standsout to

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you about this
race?

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>> Well,
kind

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of
jumping

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off of
what

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Zac
just

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said,
there

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was a
sense

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that the
Republican Party

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of
Wisconsin really

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wasn't
trying

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very
hard in

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this
race.

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You
know, they're

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nonpartisan
races,

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but
also

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they're
not in

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a lot
of

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ways.
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the
level

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of
fundraising and money

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coming
from the

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state
party

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or
third party

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groups
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with
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just
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materialized.
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you've
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lot
of

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conservative
people

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on
social

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media
saying,

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what
are you

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doing,
Republican

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Party? You know, there
wasa lot of

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anger about that,
but also people

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didn't
really

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love the way
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Lazar was
campaigning.

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They
wanted

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some
more

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aggression
out of her,

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some more of
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Schimel
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he's
the

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conservative that ran
last

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year
, much

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more
political

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generally
than

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Lazar.
Shestuck

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to
the

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experience
kind of mantra.

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And
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it
did seem

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like,
you know,

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all the
money was

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lower in
this

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race than
it

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was
inthe

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past.
But really,

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Republicans kind of
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down
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>> Rich.
We were

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kind of
trading

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messages
throughoutthe night

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as
you

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were at
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Maria
Lazar

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campaign
election

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party.
It

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strikes
me that this was not

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a
joyous affair. Can

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you
kindof talk

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us
through what it

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was
like to be

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at
thishotel in

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Pewaukee?
>> Yeah, it

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was
it.

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I
mean,it

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was
there

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was
no

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celebration.
In fact,

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there
was no

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people.
Generally,when I show

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up to these
things,

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we get
there

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early
and

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then,
you know,

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you set
up, but

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there's already
people milling around

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for
much of the

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night
beforethe

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race
was

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called,
therewere

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more
reporters

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in the
room

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than
there were

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supporters.
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that is
just

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something that
that

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and
you

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kind of
get a

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sense
that, well,

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they
kind

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of
know this

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is a
foregone

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conclusion.
But

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even I
wasstill

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surprised when
therace

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was
called

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less than
40 minutes after the

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polls
closed. I

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mean,
that's

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surprising.
So

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the mood
was

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rough.
Lazar

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didn't
comeout and

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speak
until

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after
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She said
that

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she
feels

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that
she ran

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this
race with

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purpose. There
was

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still a
reason

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for
it.

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She said
that

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she
thinks

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that
her

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message
that

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Partizanship should get out
of

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these
judicial

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races
kind of

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resonated,
and

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that
with candidate

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after
candidate in the

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future
sticking to

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that
message,

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maybe
things will

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change
.Whether

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that
squares

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with
reality, I'm

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not sure.
>> Seems

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like the
resultsmight

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send the opposite
message

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there in
terms of

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what future
candidates

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will
take from

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it.
As you

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look
at

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where the
votes

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came
inhere,

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I know
we should take

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them
with a huge grain

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of
salt because we do not have20

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point
elections in

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Wisconsin.
That said,

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they
are a

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snapshot
in

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time at
this

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moment.
Anything

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stick
out to

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any
of you

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about
where the votes

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came
in orhow

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they
came in.

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>> I
mean, I think that

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the
grain of salt is actuallykind of

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part of the story,
right? There was a

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lot of
trying to claim victory andreally

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cast this forward
from Democrats, cast us

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forward
into

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November
forwhat

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this
means,

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especially
because Chris

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Taylor
performed

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so
well in

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so-called
Trump

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counties
and up north and things

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13:20:21,500 --> 13:20:22,500
like this. But
that's

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in
part because liberals havethe

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advantage
in

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these
spring elections.

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That's
been true for

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the last
couple of years. That wastrue

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in the sort of
postmortem that Republicans

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13:20:30,625 --> 13:20:31,333
put
together about

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their
own poor

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13:20:32,417 --> 13:20:33,500
performance
last

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13:20:33,500 --> 13:20:34,250
spring,
that the

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nature
of

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the
electorate that

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comes
out

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in
an

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election in the
springtime

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without
DonaldTrump

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13:20:39,250 --> 13:20:40,250
at the top
of

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the
ballot, is a reallydifferent electorate that

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13:20:42,250 --> 13:20:43,625
comes out in
a

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November
election.

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And so
I

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think
overreading

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the
results of

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this would
be

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13:20:48,709 --> 13:20:50,250
a
problem for

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13:20:50,250 --> 13:20:51,542
Democrats.
>> Yeah,

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I think
the

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13:20:52,625 --> 13:20:54,583
extension of that is
thatwe're not going

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13:20:54,583 --> 13:20:56,000
to see the
same environment

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13:20:56,000 --> 13:20:57,583
in the
fall.

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13:20:57,583 --> 13:20:58,208
Republicans
won't be

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13:20:58,208 --> 13:20:59,792
outspent
8 to 1.

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13:20:59,792 --> 13:21:00,999
Republicans
won't bepulling

357
13:21:00,999 --> 13:21:01,999
their
punches andnot

358
13:21:01,999 --> 13:21:02,667
trying
to campaign

359
13:21:02,667 --> 13:21:03,375
through
the

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13:21:03,375 --> 13:21:04,458
end. And
nothing to

361
13:21:04,458 --> 13:21:05,125
diminish
thecampaign

362
13:21:05,125 --> 13:21:05,999
that
Maria

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13:21:05,999 --> 13:21:06,999
Lazar
ran.

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13:21:06,999 --> 13:21:07,667
But she
ran

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13:21:07,667 --> 13:21:08,375
it without
any

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13:21:08,375 --> 13:21:09,417
outside
support. Thatis

367
13:21:09,417 --> 13:21:10,166
necessary
in this

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13:21:10,166 --> 13:21:11,291
modern
environment

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13:21:11,291 --> 13:21:11,999
for a
Supreme

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13:21:11,999 --> 13:21:12,792
Court candidate
to

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13:21:12,792 --> 13:21:14,208
be
successful.

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13:21:14,208 --> 13:21:15,709
She simply
didn't have the party

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13:21:15,709 --> 13:21:17,000
infrastructure that is now
relied upon. If

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13:21:17,000 --> 13:21:17,959
you
want to

375
13:21:17,959 --> 13:21:18,999
win a
statewide

376
13:21:18,999 --> 13:21:19,750
campaign
that

377
13:21:19,750 --> 13:21:20,250
is a
completely

378
13:21:20,250 --> 13:21:20,999
different
game than what

379
13:21:20,999 --> 13:21:22,750
we're
going to see this

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13:21:22,750 --> 13:21:23,583
fall. And
yes,

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13:21:23,583 --> 13:21:23,917
I
think

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13:21:23,917 --> 13:21:24,667
Democrats
are

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13:21:24,667 --> 13:21:25,417
sending out
statements trying

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13:21:25,417 --> 13:21:26,083
to
fireup their

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13:21:26,083 --> 13:21:27,125
own
supporters.

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13:21:27,125 --> 13:21:27,999
But
I saw

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13:21:27,999 --> 13:21:28,583
this
game a

388
13:21:28,583 --> 13:21:29,041
couple
years

389
13:21:29,041 --> 13:21:30,417
ago, in
2023

390
13:21:30,417 --> 13:21:31,375
when Janet
Protasiewicz

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13:21:31,375 --> 13:21:32,500
won.
I was in Ozaukee

392
13:21:32,500 --> 13:21:33,625
County the
next year,

393
13:21:33,625 --> 13:21:34,041
and
Ozaukee

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13:21:34,041 --> 13:21:34,999
County Dems
were

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13:21:34,999 --> 13:21:36,041
telling me,
oh, we were

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13:21:36,041 --> 13:21:37,083
in the mid
40s

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13:21:37,083 --> 13:21:37,999
and
Ozaukee

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13:21:37,999 --> 13:21:39,000
County for
Janet. We're

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13:21:39,000 --> 13:21:39,999
going to
win

400
13:21:39,999 --> 13:21:41,000
for
fall of

401
13:21:41,000 --> 13:21:42,125
24.
Kamala

402
13:21:42,125 --> 13:21:43,750
Harris is going to
winOzaukee and

403
13:21:43,750 --> 13:21:44,458
she
got blown

404
13:21:44,458 --> 13:21:45,500
out.
Like things

405
13:21:45,500 --> 13:21:46,125
revert
back to

406
13:21:46,125 --> 13:21:47,125
the norm
when you

407
13:21:47,125 --> 13:21:48,375
get to the bigger
elections

408
13:21:48,375 --> 13:21:48,999
where
more

409
13:21:48,999 --> 13:21:50,125
attention is
paid

410
13:21:50,125 --> 13:21:51,208
. And due to
voter

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13:21:51,208 --> 13:21:53,208
realignment, like you were
just talking about, Anya,

412
13:21:53,208 --> 13:21:55,208
we're going to see
morepeople that don't

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13:21:55,208 --> 13:21:57,208
pay
attention to theseelections. Vote in the

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13:21:57,208 --> 13:21:59,166
fall,
not at the same level as we

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13:21:59,166 --> 13:22:01,250
would in a presidential
year, but turnout will

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13:22:01,250 --> 13:22:02,999
be
significantly higher rightnow with realignment.

417
13:22:02,999 --> 13:22:03,625
ats
do better in

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13:22:03,625 --> 13:22:04,709
lower
turnout

419
13:22:04,709 --> 13:22:05,250
events
whenthey

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13:22:05,250 --> 13:22:06,375
can
consistently get

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13:22:06,375 --> 13:22:07,041
their
voters

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13:22:07,041 --> 13:22:08,583
to the
polls,and

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13:22:08,583 --> 13:22:09,999
Republicans
aren't.

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13:22:09,999 --> 13:22:11,417
So
a lot of it will

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13:22:11,417 --> 13:22:13,417
depend on
the atmosphere this falland how

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13:22:13,417 --> 13:22:14,375
demoralized
Republicans may

427
13:22:14,375 --> 13:22:15,291
be.
>> I

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13:22:15,291 --> 13:22:17,166
would be
surprised,you know,

429
13:22:17,166 --> 13:22:18,166
frankly,
if

430
13:22:18,166 --> 13:22:18,999
Republicans were
able to

431
13:22:18,999 --> 13:22:20,041
win
Ozaukee

432
13:22:20,041 --> 13:22:21,000
County
in

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13:22:21,000 --> 13:22:21,917
November.
This is

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13:22:21,917 --> 13:22:22,208
the
oh,

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13:22:22,208 --> 13:22:23,000
in the
Wow

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13:22:23,000 --> 13:22:23,999
counties, the
vaunted

437
13:22:23,999 --> 13:22:25,375
Wow
counties thatwere the

438
13:22:25,375 --> 13:22:26,542
foundation of
Republican

439
13:22:26,542 --> 13:22:27,542
power in this
state

440
13:22:27,542 --> 13:22:28,792
for
years.

441
13:22:28,792 --> 13:22:29,792
But I
haveto

442
13:22:29,792 --> 13:22:30,792
say, Chris Taylor,
1

443
13:22:30,792 --> 13:22:31,792
Ozaukee County.
And that

444
13:22:31,792 --> 13:22:33,792
is
something that even inthese other big

445
13:22:33,792 --> 13:22:34,792
Supreme
Court elections, the

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13:22:34,792 --> 13:22:35,500
Liberal candidate
has

447
13:22:35,500 --> 13:22:36,166
not
yet

448
13:22:36,166 --> 13:22:37,750
won
Ozaukee

449
13:22:37,750 --> 13:22:38,834
County.
Shealso

450
13:22:38,834 --> 13:22:40,625
got
84%

451
13:22:40,625 --> 13:22:41,709
in
Dane

452
13:22:41,709 --> 13:22:42,333
County.
And

453
13:22:42,333 --> 13:22:43,417
yeah,
sure,

454
13:22:43,417 --> 13:22:44,583
Democrats
win Dane

455
13:22:44,583 --> 13:22:45,583
County. No
surprise

456
13:22:45,583 --> 13:22:47,750
she's from
there.

457
13:22:47,750 --> 13:22:48,917
84% is
unheard

458
13:22:48,917 --> 13:22:49,625
of.
And when

459
13:22:49,625 --> 13:22:50,208
it
is the

460
13:22:50,208 --> 13:22:51,375
leading vote
getting county

461
13:22:51,375 --> 13:22:51,999
in the
state

462
13:22:51,999 --> 13:22:52,917
as Dane
County

463
13:22:52,917 --> 13:22:53,959
is in
these

464
13:22:53,959 --> 13:22:54,959
races,
that's a big

465
13:22:54,959 --> 13:22:55,959
deal.
>> And she

466
13:22:55,959 --> 13:22:57,959
did much better
in her home county of

467
13:22:57,959 --> 13:22:59,250
Dane
County than Maria Lazar didin

468
13:22:59,250 --> 13:23:00,417
her
home county of

469
13:23:00,417 --> 13:23:01,542
Waukesha
County. And

470
13:23:01,542 --> 13:23:02,166
Waukesha
County

471
13:23:02,166 --> 13:23:03,166
is also
oneof

472
13:23:03,166 --> 13:23:05,166
these that has started
sort of moving away

473
13:23:05,166 --> 13:23:06,542
from
being as die

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13:23:06,542 --> 13:23:07,208
hard red.
It's

475
13:23:07,208 --> 13:23:07,999
still
deep red,

476
13:23:07,999 --> 13:23:08,667
but
that

477
13:23:08,667 --> 13:23:09,667
is
also a sort

478
13:23:09,667 --> 13:23:10,125
of
suburban

479
13:23:10,125 --> 13:23:10,999
district that
we've been

480
13:23:10,999 --> 13:23:11,667
paying
attention

481
13:23:11,667 --> 13:23:12,667
to, as
some of

482
13:23:12,667 --> 13:23:14,667
those shifts have
taken place.>> Far more

483
13:23:14,667 --> 13:23:15,667
people than
Ozaukee. 2.

484
13:23:15,667 --> 13:23:16,166
So a
big

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13:23:16,166 --> 13:23:16,999
vote
getter.

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13:23:16,999 --> 13:23:17,792
Rich, how
about

487
13:23:17,792 --> 13:23:19,542
you?
>> Yeah, I

488
13:23:19,542 --> 13:23:20,999
just
wanted togo back

489
13:23:20,999 --> 13:23:21,750
to the
discussion

490
13:23:21,750 --> 13:23:22,417
of,
you know,

491
13:23:22,417 --> 13:23:23,417
you've got
the Wow

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13:23:23,417 --> 13:23:24,083
counties,
not

493
13:23:24,083 --> 13:23:24,959
as
as

494
13:23:24,959 --> 13:23:26,291
deep
red,

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13:23:26,291 --> 13:23:27,417
but
northern

496
13:23:27,417 --> 13:23:28,959
Wisconsin. So it is
truethat

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13:23:28,959 --> 13:23:30,291
that
I've seen

498
13:23:30,291 --> 13:23:31,792
some
conservatives say, well,

499
13:23:31,792 --> 13:23:32,417
that's
the new

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13:23:32,417 --> 13:23:33,500
Wow
counties

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13:23:33,500 --> 13:23:34,999
essentially, you know, a
strip of

502
13:23:34,999 --> 13:23:35,917
counties
from

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13:23:35,917 --> 13:23:36,417
like
the

504
13:23:36,417 --> 13:23:37,125
eastern
side

505
13:23:37,125 --> 13:23:38,999
of the
northeastern part of the

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13:23:38,999 --> 13:23:39,625
state to
the

507
13:23:39,625 --> 13:23:40,750
Polk
County onthe

508
13:23:40,750 --> 13:23:42,542
west.
And

509
13:23:42,542 --> 13:23:43,959
that
might be

510
13:23:43,959 --> 13:23:44,709
true,
but

511
13:23:44,709 --> 13:23:46,041
the
populationjust isn't

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13:23:46,041 --> 13:23:47,041
there.
So, you

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13:23:47,041 --> 13:23:47,875
know,
that's

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13:23:47,875 --> 13:23:48,875
sort of an
area,

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13:23:48,875 --> 13:23:50,333
even if it goes
hardfor

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13:23:50,333 --> 13:23:51,125
Republicans in
the

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13:23:51,125 --> 13:23:52,999
fall,
a Dane

518
13:23:52,999 --> 13:23:53,542
County
kind

519
13:23:53,542 --> 13:23:55,417
of turn
out like we saw

520
13:23:55,417 --> 13:23:56,000
could
erase

521
13:23:56,000 --> 13:23:57,166
that pretty
quickly.

522
13:23:57,166 --> 13:23:58,792
So
that

523
13:23:58,792 --> 13:23:59,208
that was
a

524
13:23:59,208 --> 13:24:00,999
really
interesting

525
13:24:00,999 --> 13:24:01,999
thing to
see

526
13:24:01,999 --> 13:24:02,750
Republicans
say, well,

527
13:24:02,750 --> 13:24:03,375
this
is where we

528
13:24:03,375 --> 13:24:04,041
need
to

529
13:24:04,041 --> 13:24:06,250
focus
up north.

530
13:24:06,250 --> 13:24:07,250
>> So
we have

531
13:24:07,250 --> 13:24:08,250
this
thingthat we

532
13:24:08,250 --> 13:24:09,250
do in
Wisconsin. At

533
13:24:09,250 --> 13:24:11,250
least I can't resist
it. Wehad an

534
13:24:11,250 --> 13:24:13,250
election, and we
have to talk about what's

535
13:24:13,250 --> 13:24:15,208
going to what's it
mean forthe next

536
13:24:15,208 --> 13:24:17,250
election. And I
know the 2026 election is

537
13:24:17,250 --> 13:24:19,208
way different. But what
does it mean? I

538
13:24:19,208 --> 13:24:21,208
mean, are
there lessons that eitherparty would

539
13:24:21,208 --> 13:24:23,083
look at these
and say,

540
13:24:23,083 --> 13:24:23,999
well,
that's

541
13:24:23,999 --> 13:24:24,709
that's
troubling for

542
13:24:24,709 --> 13:24:25,709
us.
You know, if

543
13:24:25,709 --> 13:24:27,208
you're
Republicans or if you're

544
13:24:27,208 --> 13:24:28,709
Democrats,
little of

545
13:24:28,709 --> 13:24:29,750
that
exuberance

546
13:24:29,750 --> 13:24:31,291
that you were
talking about, is there

547
13:24:31,291 --> 13:24:32,625
anything kind of real
inthere?

548
13:24:32,625 --> 13:24:33,667
>> Well,
just today

549
13:24:33,667 --> 13:24:34,375
before
we

550
13:24:34,375 --> 13:24:35,417
came on
here, we

551
13:24:35,417 --> 13:24:36,083
saw
twomore

552
13:24:36,083 --> 13:24:37,166
Assembly
Republicans

553
13:24:37,166 --> 13:24:37,999
announced they were
not

554
13:24:37,999 --> 13:24:39,291
going to seek
reelection.

555
13:24:39,291 --> 13:24:40,083
Now,
in and

556
13:24:40,083 --> 13:24:40,999
of itself,
that

557
13:24:40,999 --> 13:24:41,999
doesn't mean anything.
But

558
13:24:41,999 --> 13:24:42,999
trends
matter.

559
13:24:42,999 --> 13:24:43,667
We've seen
a

560
13:24:43,667 --> 13:24:44,417
lot more
Republicans

561
13:24:44,417 --> 13:24:45,041
decide
they don't

562
13:24:45,041 --> 13:24:46,250
want to
run.

563
13:24:46,250 --> 13:24:46,999
And
we've seen that

564
13:24:46,999 --> 13:24:47,875
in the
Senate,

565
13:24:47,875 --> 13:24:48,375
where
it is

566
13:24:48,375 --> 13:24:49,083
a
pretty good

567
13:24:49,083 --> 13:24:50,291
odds on
chancethat

568
13:24:50,291 --> 13:24:51,875
Democrats will
flipthat chamber and

569
13:24:51,875 --> 13:24:53,417
the
Assembly is 50 over 50.

570
13:24:53,417 --> 13:24:54,083
It
sucks to be

571
13:24:54,083 --> 13:24:55,999
in the
minority.And we've seen

572
13:24:55,999 --> 13:24:57,999
that in both
the legislature and on the

573
13:24:57,999 --> 13:24:59,500
Supreme Court, where we
hadnow two

574
13:24:59,500 --> 13:25:00,750
consecutive
conservative

575
13:25:00,750 --> 13:25:01,917
incumbent
justices

576
13:25:01,917 --> 13:25:02,500
who
were

577
13:25:02,500 --> 13:25:03,250
well
within the

578
13:25:03,250 --> 13:25:03,999
normal
age

579
13:25:03,999 --> 13:25:04,667
range
to

580
13:25:04,667 --> 13:25:05,291
seek another
ten year

581
13:25:05,291 --> 13:25:06,458
term,
decide, I

582
13:25:06,458 --> 13:25:08,000
don't want
to be in the

583
13:25:08,000 --> 13:25:09,999
minority on
this court. I'd rather gosomewhere

584
13:25:09,999 --> 13:25:11,999
else. So I think
those patterns tell you

585
13:25:11,999 --> 13:25:13,999
a
lot more than what any ofthe

586
13:25:13,999 --> 13:25:15,999
the press releases will.
>> Including Annette

587
13:25:15,999 --> 13:25:17,999
who would have
been up for election in

588
13:25:17,999 --> 13:25:19,458
2027, and somebody who,
atleast in

589
13:25:19,458 --> 13:25:20,999
2007,
showed thatshe knew

590
13:25:20,999 --> 13:25:22,667
how to win these
races.

591
13:25:22,667 --> 13:25:23,999
How
about

592
13:25:23,999 --> 13:25:24,875
2027? What
does

593
13:25:24,875 --> 13:25:25,583
this
mean

594
13:25:25,583 --> 13:25:26,250
for
the

595
13:25:26,250 --> 13:25:26,999
next
state

596
13:25:26,999 --> 13:25:28,041
Supreme
Court

597
13:25:28,041 --> 13:25:29,333
race?
You know who wants to go

598
13:25:29,333 --> 13:25:31,333
there?
it's interesting,right? Sort

599
13:25:31,333 --> 13:25:32,750
of gaming out
the next couple. We

600
13:25:32,750 --> 13:25:33,834
talked
last week about

601
13:25:33,834 --> 13:25:34,917
how
nobodywas talking

602
13:25:34,917 --> 13:25:35,999
about
thiscourt election

603
13:25:35,999 --> 13:25:36,999
as
the most

604
13:25:36,999 --> 13:25:37,709
important in
a

605
13:25:37,709 --> 13:25:38,917
generation
or whatever. And

606
13:25:38,917 --> 13:25:39,542
then
enter

607
13:25:39,542 --> 13:25:40,166
Ben
Wikler, the

608
13:25:40,166 --> 13:25:40,999
former
chair of the

609
13:25:40,999 --> 13:25:41,999
Democratic
Party. He sent

610
13:25:41,999 --> 13:25:42,792
out
this

611
13:25:42,792 --> 13:25:43,625
email day
of

612
13:25:43,625 --> 13:25:44,083
and he
was

613
13:25:44,083 --> 13:25:44,999
explaining
why he

614
13:25:44,999 --> 13:25:45,999
thought
for Democrats and

615
13:25:45,999 --> 13:25:46,667
liberals,
it

616
13:25:46,667 --> 13:25:48,041
was
actually

617
13:25:48,041 --> 13:25:49,250
hugely
important

618
13:25:49,250 --> 13:25:50,291
because
essentially

619
13:25:50,291 --> 13:25:51,041
this
guarantees

620
13:25:51,041 --> 13:25:52,917
liberal
control

621
13:25:52,917 --> 13:25:53,917
past the
point of

622
13:25:53,917 --> 13:25:54,291
the
census. And

623
13:25:54,291 --> 13:25:55,333
so
into the

624
13:25:55,333 --> 13:25:56,417
next
redistricting

625
13:25:56,417 --> 13:25:57,083
cycle,
everything

626
13:25:57,083 --> 13:25:57,999
comes
back to

627
13:25:57,999 --> 13:25:58,625
redistricting,
as

628
13:25:58,625 --> 13:25:59,208
Zack likes
to

629
13:25:59,208 --> 13:26:00,542
say. And
so

630
13:26:00,542 --> 13:26:01,542
with the
next, with

631
13:26:01,542 --> 13:26:02,250
the
2027,

632
13:26:02,250 --> 13:26:03,250
with
28 and

633
13:26:03,250 --> 13:26:03,999
a
swing,

634
13:26:03,999 --> 13:26:04,875
a
swing

635
13:26:04,875 --> 13:26:05,625
justice
potentially

636
13:26:05,625 --> 13:26:06,125
coming
up,

637
13:26:06,125 --> 13:26:06,999
maybe we'll
see

638
13:26:06,999 --> 13:26:07,709
primaries
in the

639
13:26:07,709 --> 13:26:08,291
races
again.

640
13:26:08,291 --> 13:26:09,333
Like in some
ways,

641
13:26:09,333 --> 13:26:11,250
this opens the door
forsome very

642
13:26:11,250 --> 13:26:12,792
strange
maneuverings

643
13:26:12,792 --> 13:26:13,999
as
liberalsand

644
13:26:13,999 --> 13:26:15,208
Democrats get to kind
of take for

645
13:26:15,208 --> 13:26:16,999
granted
thatthey have this

646
13:26:16,999 --> 13:26:19,999
court
rich.

647
13:26:19,999 --> 13:26:20,999
>> I
I'm going

648
13:26:20,999 --> 13:26:21,999
to be
watching to

649
13:26:21,999 --> 13:26:23,542
see
if

650
13:26:23,542 --> 13:26:24,999
Republicans or
conservatives

651
13:26:24,999 --> 13:26:25,625
even
run

652
13:26:25,625 --> 13:26:26,333
a
candidate.

653
13:26:26,333 --> 13:26:27,417
You
know,

654
13:26:27,417 --> 13:26:28,041
that
the

655
13:26:28,041 --> 13:26:29,208
inverse
of that

656
13:26:29,208 --> 13:26:30,291
happened
when

657
13:26:30,291 --> 13:26:31,875
the
GOP

658
13:26:31,875 --> 13:26:32,500
was
running the

659
13:26:32,500 --> 13:26:33,583
table
on these

660
13:26:33,583 --> 13:26:34,625
elections.
And

661
13:26:34,625 --> 13:26:35,250
there's
beena

662
13:26:35,250 --> 13:26:35,999
few,
you know,

663
13:26:35,999 --> 13:26:37,041
talk
radio

664
13:26:37,041 --> 13:26:38,999
people
wondering

665
13:26:38,999 --> 13:26:39,625
, like, who
would

666
13:26:39,625 --> 13:26:40,999
want to
run

667
13:26:40,999 --> 13:26:41,959
for
a

668
13:26:41,959 --> 13:26:42,917
seat
in the

669
13:26:42,917 --> 13:26:43,542
minority of
the

670
13:26:43,542 --> 13:26:44,999
Supreme
Court

671
13:26:44,999 --> 13:26:46,458
after
someone

672
13:26:46,458 --> 13:26:47,999
just
got

673
13:26:47,999 --> 13:26:48,999
clobbered by
20

674
13:26:48,999 --> 13:26:49,999
points.
So

675
13:26:49,999 --> 13:26:51,083
I
obviously

676
13:26:51,083 --> 13:26:51,999
can't predict
the

677
13:26:51,999 --> 13:26:53,250
future,
but

678
13:26:53,250 --> 13:26:53,999
that
seems like

679
13:26:53,999 --> 13:26:55,000
it
would be a pretty

680
13:26:55,000 --> 13:26:56,083
bitter
pill to

681
13:26:56,083 --> 13:26:56,750
swallow.
So

682
13:26:56,750 --> 13:26:57,166
it will
be

683
13:26:57,166 --> 13:26:57,999
interesting
to

684
13:26:57,999 --> 13:26:59,792
see
who

685
13:26:59,792 --> 13:27:01,333
runs
for

686
13:27:01,333 --> 13:27:01,999
liberals
and

687
13:27:01,999 --> 13:27:03,542
for
conservatives, or

688
13:27:03,542 --> 13:27:04,166
if
theyjust

689
13:27:04,166 --> 13:27:04,999
sit this
one

690
13:27:04,999 --> 13:27:05,875
out.
>> Yeah.

691
13:27:05,875 --> 13:27:07,875
>> All right, Sean,
yourturn. You don't

692
13:27:07,875 --> 13:27:09,875
get out of
this.>> I mean, I've

693
13:27:09,875 --> 13:27:11,875
been
thinking about how longthis could go

694
13:27:11,875 --> 13:27:13,041
really, in
terms of how long

695
13:27:13,041 --> 13:27:14,166
this
liberal

696
13:27:14,166 --> 13:27:15,166
majority
could bein

697
13:27:15,166 --> 13:27:16,375
place.
Because,

698
13:27:16,375 --> 13:27:16,999
yes,
wehave

699
13:27:16,999 --> 13:27:18,583
said
accurately the

700
13:27:18,583 --> 13:27:19,208
conservatives
could

701
13:27:19,208 --> 13:27:19,999
flip it
back

702
13:27:19,999 --> 13:27:21,542
in
2030.

703
13:27:21,542 --> 13:27:21,999
But
you know,

704
13:27:21,999 --> 13:27:22,999
how much has
to

705
13:27:22,999 --> 13:27:24,375
go right
for them for that to

706
13:27:24,375 --> 13:27:25,999
happen.
They have to win

707
13:27:25,999 --> 13:27:27,999
next year
when there's an open seatand

708
13:27:27,999 --> 13:27:29,999
we see what the
environment is now they

709
13:27:29,999 --> 13:27:31,125
have to win in
2028

710
13:27:31,125 --> 13:27:31,917
when
Rebecca

711
13:27:31,917 --> 13:27:32,166
Dallet
is up

712
13:27:32,166 --> 13:27:32,999
and
she

713
13:27:32,999 --> 13:27:34,792
knows how to run
theseraces,

714
13:27:34,792 --> 13:27:35,375
2029
is

715
13:27:35,375 --> 13:27:36,500
Bryan
Hagedorn, who may

716
13:27:36,500 --> 13:27:37,709
face a
challenge from

717
13:27:37,709 --> 13:27:38,792
the
right.

718
13:27:38,792 --> 13:27:39,375
And
then

719
13:27:39,375 --> 13:27:40,458
if all
that goes

720
13:27:40,458 --> 13:27:41,999
right, then
you get to

721
13:27:41,999 --> 13:27:42,999
2030
and you

722
13:27:42,999 --> 13:27:43,709
presumably
take

723
13:27:43,709 --> 13:27:44,542
on
Jill

724
13:27:44,542 --> 13:27:45,083
Karofsky,
anotherdouble

725
13:27:45,083 --> 13:27:45,999
digit
winner

726
13:27:45,999 --> 13:27:46,667
in
her

727
13:27:46,667 --> 13:27:47,709
race.
If

728
13:27:47,709 --> 13:27:48,417
any of
those

729
13:27:48,417 --> 13:27:50,417
things does not go
theirway, the clock

730
13:27:50,417 --> 13:27:51,709
gets set
back three years.

731
13:27:51,709 --> 13:27:52,417
So this
really

732
13:27:52,417 --> 13:27:53,375
does sort of
open

733
13:27:53,375 --> 13:27:54,999
up
a chance for liberals to

734
13:27:54,999 --> 13:27:55,417
look
at

735
13:27:55,417 --> 13:27:56,250
the
court

736
13:27:56,250 --> 13:27:57,333
with a
long

737
13:27:57,333 --> 13:27:58,917
view.
And I

738
13:27:58,917 --> 13:27:59,999
think
we're kind of looking

739
13:27:59,999 --> 13:28:00,999
for
clues on

740
13:28:00,999 --> 13:28:01,917
how
they

741
13:28:01,917 --> 13:28:02,875
might
view that. Now

742
13:28:02,875 --> 13:28:03,542
that this
five

743
13:28:03,542 --> 13:28:04,792
two
majority

744
13:28:04,792 --> 13:28:05,291
is the
sort of

745
13:28:05,291 --> 13:28:05,999
new
reality

746
13:28:05,999 --> 13:28:06,875
we
know

747
13:28:06,875 --> 13:28:07,583
about
Judge

748
13:28:07,583 --> 13:28:08,208
Chris
Taylor,

749
13:28:08,208 --> 13:28:09,792
the
candidate for

750
13:28:09,792 --> 13:28:10,792
Supreme
Court,

751
13:28:10,792 --> 13:28:11,500
she gave
us some

752
13:28:11,500 --> 13:28:12,166
hints
on

753
13:28:12,166 --> 13:28:13,333
election
nightabout how

754
13:28:13,333 --> 13:28:13,999
she
views

755
13:28:13,999 --> 13:28:15,375
the
law.

756
13:28:15,375 --> 13:28:16,999
Here's
justice

757
13:28:16,999 --> 13:28:17,999
elect
Chris

758
13:28:17,999 --> 13:28:19,834
Taylor.
>> The

759
13:28:19,834 --> 13:28:20,500
law
can

760
13:28:20,500 --> 13:28:21,083
be
a

761
13:28:21,083 --> 13:28:21,999
tool
to

762
13:28:21,999 --> 13:28:22,709
lift
people

763
13:28:22,709 --> 13:28:23,333
up, to
improve

764
13:28:23,333 --> 13:28:24,458
their
lives, to

765
13:28:24,458 --> 13:28:25,999
strengthen
our communities.

766
13:28:25,999 --> 13:28:26,999
And
that's

767
13:28:26,999 --> 13:28:27,999
exciting. That
drove me

768
13:28:27,999 --> 13:28:28,834
to
law

769
13:28:28,834 --> 13:28:29,999
school,
and

770
13:28:29,999 --> 13:28:30,542
I've
spent

771
13:28:30,542 --> 13:28:31,999
now
30

772
13:28:31,999 --> 13:28:32,667
my
30 year

773
13:28:32,667 --> 13:28:33,458
legal
career

774
13:28:33,458 --> 13:28:34,542
as a
lawyer

775
13:28:34,542 --> 13:28:35,625
in
private

776
13:28:35,625 --> 13:28:36,625
practice, as
a law

777
13:28:36,625 --> 13:28:37,999
and policy director for
Planned

778
13:28:37,999 --> 13:28:41,208
Parenthood.
>> And so,

779
13:28:41,208 --> 13:28:42,999
you
know, whencandidates for

780
13:28:42,999 --> 13:28:43,999
the court
get up

781
13:28:43,999 --> 13:28:45,999
and give that speech
on election night, they

782
13:28:45,999 --> 13:28:47,999
have a choice they
can make.They can

783
13:28:47,999 --> 13:28:49,999
kind of withdraw
from the campaign messagesand

784
13:28:49,999 --> 13:28:50,999
thank their
supportersand

785
13:28:50,999 --> 13:28:52,875
say it's time to
moveon.

786
13:28:52,875 --> 13:28:53,625
In
this case, I

787
13:28:53,625 --> 13:28:54,792
think
you heard Chris

788
13:28:54,792 --> 13:28:56,083
Taylor
saying, hey, you know,

789
13:28:56,083 --> 13:28:58,083
all
that stuff I said on thecampaign

790
13:28:58,083 --> 13:29:00,166
trail, that's
still me. This is who I

791
13:29:00,166 --> 13:29:01,125
am.
So

792
13:29:01,125 --> 13:29:01,959
knowing
that knowing

793
13:29:01,959 --> 13:29:02,500
the
court

794
13:29:02,500 --> 13:29:02,999
that
she is

795
13:29:02,999 --> 13:29:03,999
stepping
into,

796
13:29:03,999 --> 13:29:04,792
what
might

797
13:29:04,792 --> 13:29:05,458
this
court

798
13:29:05,458 --> 13:29:06,999
take
up?

799
13:29:06,999 --> 13:29:07,625
>> I
mean,

800
13:29:07,625 --> 13:29:09,208
so one of
thethings that could

801
13:29:09,208 --> 13:29:11,208
be on the
agenda is a challenge to

802
13:29:11,208 --> 13:29:11,999
act
ten.

803
13:29:11,999 --> 13:29:12,750
And I
thought thatwas

804
13:29:12,750 --> 13:29:14,208
really
interesting. Youknow, I

805
13:29:14,208 --> 13:29:15,166
did a profile
of

806
13:29:15,166 --> 13:29:17,166
Chris Taylor and she
talkedabout on the

807
13:29:17,166 --> 13:29:19,166
on the trail,
on her stump speech, she

808
13:29:19,166 --> 13:29:20,667
talked about how like
theevents of

809
13:29:20,667 --> 13:29:22,166
2011
as part ofwhat

810
13:29:22,166 --> 13:29:23,166
motivated her to
run

811
13:29:23,166 --> 13:29:23,917
for the
legislature,

812
13:29:23,917 --> 13:29:25,166
which
is part of where

813
13:29:25,166 --> 13:29:26,792
she spent
her career, meaning

814
13:29:26,792 --> 13:29:27,375
act
ten,

815
13:29:27,375 --> 13:29:28,083
meaning the
protests

816
13:29:28,083 --> 13:29:28,917
against
Scott Walker.

817
13:29:28,917 --> 13:29:29,999
And
so it'll be really

818
13:29:29,999 --> 13:29:31,500
interesting
to kind of see

819
13:29:31,500 --> 13:29:33,500
the tale of those
eventsand how those

820
13:29:33,500 --> 13:29:34,625
reshaped
politics

821
13:29:34,625 --> 13:29:35,750
maybe
potentiallycome before

822
13:29:35,750 --> 13:29:37,000
this
court.

823
13:29:37,000 --> 13:29:38,000
>> Rich,
any issues

824
13:29:38,000 --> 13:29:40,417
that
you think could be there?

825
13:29:40,417 --> 13:29:41,834
>> I
mean,

826
13:29:41,834 --> 13:29:43,166
obviously
there's a

827
13:29:43,166 --> 13:29:44,375
ton of
issues,but

828
13:29:44,375 --> 13:29:44,999
one thing
that

829
13:29:44,999 --> 13:29:46,875
has been
interesting to watch

830
13:29:46,875 --> 13:29:47,542
is the
Liberal

831
13:29:47,542 --> 13:29:48,999
majority
kind of

832
13:29:48,999 --> 13:29:51,959
dismantling
Republicans,

833
13:29:51,959 --> 13:29:52,625
the
power

834
13:29:52,625 --> 13:29:53,333
that they
hadbuilt

835
13:29:53,333 --> 13:29:54,375
up for
themselves

836
13:29:54,375 --> 13:29:55,000
when
they

837
13:29:55,000 --> 13:29:56,166
had,
you know,

838
13:29:56,166 --> 13:29:56,999
they still
do.

839
13:29:56,999 --> 13:29:58,333
But
duringthe

840
13:29:58,333 --> 13:30:00,041
Walker
years,

841
13:30:00,041 --> 13:30:00,999
and
this

842
13:30:00,999 --> 13:30:01,625
has
been

843
13:30:01,625 --> 13:30:02,291
through
kind

844
13:30:02,291 --> 13:30:05,041
of
clipping the wings a

845
13:30:05,041 --> 13:30:06,250
little
bit of these various

846
13:30:06,250 --> 13:30:07,792
legislative
committees

847
13:30:07,792 --> 13:30:09,959
that
can

848
13:30:09,959 --> 13:30:10,999
delay
new

849
13:30:10,999 --> 13:30:12,417
rules for
agencies,

850
13:30:12,417 --> 13:30:14,999
or they
could

851
13:30:14,999 --> 13:30:16,291
indefinitely. And,
you

852
13:30:16,291 --> 13:30:16,999
know,
we've seen

853
13:30:16,999 --> 13:30:17,999
that sort of
stuff

854
13:30:17,999 --> 13:30:18,542
get
struck

855
13:30:18,542 --> 13:30:19,125
down.
So

856
13:30:19,125 --> 13:30:19,999
I
guess

857
13:30:19,999 --> 13:30:20,667
I'd be
more

858
13:30:20,667 --> 13:30:22,125
interested to see
ifthere's going to

859
13:30:22,125 --> 13:30:24,208
be other
cases challenging the

860
13:30:24,208 --> 13:30:25,250
legislature's authority to
be

861
13:30:25,250 --> 13:30:27,083
able to
stop,

862
13:30:27,083 --> 13:30:27,917
you
know,

863
13:30:27,917 --> 13:30:28,999
things that
Democrats

864
13:30:28,999 --> 13:30:29,667
want
to see

865
13:30:29,667 --> 13:30:31,959
happen.
>> We we're

866
13:30:31,959 --> 13:30:33,500
going
to runout of

867
13:30:33,500 --> 13:30:35,500
time here if we
don't keep moving. I

868
13:30:35,500 --> 13:30:36,959
think,
you know, use your

869
13:30:36,959 --> 13:30:37,999
imagination.
Big

870
13:30:37,999 --> 13:30:38,709
issues
could come

871
13:30:38,709 --> 13:30:39,291
before the
court.

872
13:30:39,291 --> 13:30:40,917
Let's
talk

873
13:30:40,917 --> 13:30:42,999
about
another

874
13:30:42,999 --> 13:30:43,999
person
in the news

875
13:30:43,999 --> 13:30:44,792
this
week who

876
13:30:44,792 --> 13:30:45,458
lost
their

877
13:30:45,458 --> 13:30:47,208
job.
The

878
13:30:47,208 --> 13:30:48,750
UW Board of
Regents

879
13:30:48,750 --> 13:30:49,834
unanimously
fired the

880
13:30:49,834 --> 13:30:50,500
system.
President

881
13:30:50,500 --> 13:30:51,999
Jay
Rothman.

882
13:30:51,999 --> 13:30:52,667
What do we
know

883
13:30:52,667 --> 13:30:53,417
about
why

884
13:30:53,417 --> 13:30:54,458
at
this

885
13:30:54,458 --> 13:30:55,709
point?
>> Not

886
13:30:55,709 --> 13:30:56,583
much.
We know

887
13:30:56,583 --> 13:30:57,792
that
they were

888
13:30:57,792 --> 13:30:59,792
displeased that
he serves at the pleasureof

889
13:30:59,792 --> 13:31:00,875
the board. These
are

890
13:31:00,875 --> 13:31:01,417
appointees
of

891
13:31:01,417 --> 13:31:02,083
Governor
Evers.

892
13:31:02,083 --> 13:31:02,875
Rothman
came

893
13:31:02,875 --> 13:31:03,542
in
kind

894
13:31:03,542 --> 13:31:04,999
of as
a

895
13:31:04,999 --> 13:31:06,000
whisperer for
Republicans.

896
13:31:06,000 --> 13:31:06,834
When
Republicans

897
13:31:06,834 --> 13:31:07,959
control the
legislature

898
13:31:07,959 --> 13:31:08,542
and
the

899
13:31:08,542 --> 13:31:09,250
U.A.W.
needed

900
13:31:09,250 --> 13:31:10,291
someone
to to

901
13:31:10,291 --> 13:31:11,458
negotiate
between

902
13:31:11,458 --> 13:31:12,083
the
both

903
13:31:12,083 --> 13:31:12,959
parties,
especially when

904
13:31:12,959 --> 13:31:13,583
the
UW was getting

905
13:31:13,583 --> 13:31:15,375
trampled
in the budget

906
13:31:15,375 --> 13:31:17,125
constantly.
And it may signal this

907
13:31:17,125 --> 13:31:17,999
idea
that we

908
13:31:17,999 --> 13:31:18,583
don't
need

909
13:31:18,583 --> 13:31:19,750
someone
like that anymore,

910
13:31:19,750 --> 13:31:20,417
that
they expect

911
13:31:20,417 --> 13:31:21,083
Democrats
to be

912
13:31:21,083 --> 13:31:22,834
in power
next year whenthere's

913
13:31:22,834 --> 13:31:23,250
a new
budget

914
13:31:23,250 --> 13:31:24,375
and
Rothman

915
13:31:24,375 --> 13:31:25,083
services,
it's

916
13:31:25,083 --> 13:31:25,875
time
for him

917
13:31:25,875 --> 13:31:27,875
to move on. They're
hoping to do it

918
13:31:27,875 --> 13:31:29,875
quietly,
but it didn't end up thatway.

919
13:31:29,875 --> 13:31:31,875
>> It didn't. And
Republicans who control the

920
13:31:31,875 --> 13:31:33,375
legislature are not only
protesting, they

921
13:31:33,375 --> 13:31:34,000
are
usingthe

922
13:31:34,000 --> 13:31:34,999
power
that

923
13:31:34,999 --> 13:31:35,999
they
have

924
13:31:35,999 --> 13:31:36,999
potentially
in the

925
13:31:36,999 --> 13:31:37,792
state
Senate. It

926
13:31:37,792 --> 13:31:38,917
sounds
like,

927
13:31:38,917 --> 13:31:40,166
to
kind of

928
13:31:40,166 --> 13:31:40,959
strike
back

929
13:31:40,959 --> 13:31:41,291
in
away.

930
13:31:41,291 --> 13:31:42,959
>>
Yeah. That is one

931
13:31:42,959 --> 13:31:44,959
of the
powers that they've hadthroughout the

932
13:31:44,959 --> 13:31:46,959
Evers
administration is to pushback against his

933
13:31:46,959 --> 13:31:48,959
appointments, and they
do that here to

934
13:31:48,959 --> 13:31:50,959
send
a message. Again, we arekind of

935
13:31:50,959 --> 13:31:52,959
looking towards a
November where we don'tknow

936
13:31:52,959 --> 13:31:54,959
who's going to end
upin the governor's

937
13:31:54,959 --> 13:31:56,959
seat. And
so therefore, we don't knowwho's

938
13:31:56,959 --> 13:31:58,959
going to end up
incharge of the

939
13:31:58,959 --> 13:32:00,999
Board of
Regents. And so I thinkwe're

940
13:32:00,999 --> 13:32:02,999
going to see some
ofthis power grabbing

941
13:32:02,999 --> 13:32:04,999
right
now in order to kind of set

942
13:32:04,999 --> 13:32:06,999
the stage for control
ofU.A.W.

943
13:32:06,999 --> 13:32:08,999
we don't have much
time, but animosity between

944
13:32:08,999 --> 13:32:10,999
the legislature and the
university, who'd have

945
13:32:10,999 --> 13:32:11,999
it?
>> Yeah,

946
13:32:11,999 --> 13:32:12,999
it's a
bit of

947
13:32:12,999 --> 13:32:13,999
a
pattern, let's put

948
13:32:13,999 --> 13:32:14,375
it that
way.

949
13:32:14,375 --> 13:32:15,583
So
when

950
13:32:15,583 --> 13:32:16,667
Rothman was
hired,

951
13:32:16,667 --> 13:32:17,208
Assembly
Speaker

952
13:32:17,208 --> 13:32:17,999
Robin
Vos

953
13:32:17,999 --> 13:32:18,750
said,
hey,

954
13:32:18,750 --> 13:32:19,458
that's
great. You

955
13:32:19,458 --> 13:32:20,083
know,
business

956
13:32:20,083 --> 13:32:21,208
leader, that's what
theywere looking

957
13:32:21,208 --> 13:32:22,291
for.
We

958
13:32:22,291 --> 13:32:23,333
had
former

959
13:32:23,333 --> 13:32:24,000
Governor
Tommy

960
13:32:24,000 --> 13:32:25,125
Thompson, another
Republican,

961
13:32:25,125 --> 13:32:25,999
run the
system

962
13:32:25,999 --> 13:32:27,291
before
Rothman.

963
13:32:27,291 --> 13:32:28,458
And
the

964
13:32:28,458 --> 13:32:30,166
Republicans in the
legislature still didn't

965
13:32:30,166 --> 13:32:31,250
give
him

966
13:32:31,250 --> 13:32:31,999
very
much

967
13:32:31,999 --> 13:32:32,875
in
terms

968
13:32:32,875 --> 13:32:34,125
of
budget

969
13:32:34,125 --> 13:32:35,999
requests.
>> So

970
13:32:35,999 --> 13:32:36,834
now we're
going tohave

971
13:32:36,834 --> 13:32:37,834
to
wait and see

972
13:32:37,834 --> 13:32:39,333
if
theSenate follows through

973
13:32:39,333 --> 13:32:41,333
on
this at a time when they'renot

974
13:32:41,333 --> 13:32:43,333
in session, they got
other stuff going on.

975
13:32:43,333 --> 13:32:44,333
It's
kind of their

976
13:32:44,333 --> 13:32:45,792
move at this
point.

977
13:32:45,792 --> 13:32:46,792
That's all
the time

978
13:32:46,792 --> 13:32:47,542
we have
for

979
13:32:47,542 --> 13:32:48,709
today.
Thanksfor

980
13:32:48,709 --> 13:32:49,333
joining
us for this

981
13:32:49,333 --> 13:32:51,041
week's
Inside

982
13:32:51,041 --> 13:32:52,208
Wisconsin
Politics. Be sure

983
13:32:52,208 --> 13:32:53,166
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984
13:32:53,166 --> 13:32:53,999
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985
13:32:53,999 --> 13:32:56,542
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986
13:32:56,542 --> 13:32:57,250
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987
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