% >>> WELCOME TO NOON WEDNESDAY!
% I'M MARISA WOJCIK.
% PBS WISCONSIN.
% TODAY IS FEBRUARY 16.
% MILWAUKEE WILL SOON SEE A NEW
% MAYOR!%FOR THE FIRST TIME IN
NEARLY TWO
% DECADES.
% OF THE SEVEN CANDIDATES THAT RAN
% IN YESTERDAY'S PRIMARY ELECTION,
% ACTING MAYOR CAVALIER CHEVY
% JOHNSON AND ALDERMAN BOB DONOVAN
% WILL ADVANCE IN THE GENERAL
% ELECTION IN APRIL.
% JOINING ME TO BREAK DOWN THE
% CANDIDATE, THE ISSUE, AND
% TUESDAY'S PRIMARY RESULTS, JOHN
% JOHNSON, RESEARCH FELLOW AT
% MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL AND
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC RADIO REPORTER
% CHRISTINE HATFIELD.
% THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> CHRISTINE, I WANT TO START
% WITH YOU.
% CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF
% THE BIGGEST ISH ISSUES THAT WERE
% IN FRONT OF THE CANDIDATES?
% >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
% THERE IS A WHOLE GAUNTLET OF
% THEM TO RUN.
% THAT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY OF
% A CITY THE SIZE OF MILWAUKEE.
% I MEAN, THERE IS RECKLESS
% DRIVING AND THE CAUSES.
% THERE IS THE INCREASED RATES OF
% CAR THEFTS IN THE AREA, MORE
% THAN 10,000 OF THEM LAST YEAR.
% THE MATTER OF CRIME AND PUBLIC
% SAFETY IN GENERAL.
% THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
% POLICE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES
% TO KEEPING POLICE AROUND.
% IN ANOTHER STYLE, YOU HAVE THE
% FUTURE OF MILWAUKEE PUBLIC
% SCHOOLS AND ITS FUNDING.
% THEN THERE IS THE CITY'S PENSION
% CHALLENGES.
% WHAT THAT CAN MEAN FOR BUDGETING
% FOR SERVICES AS WE GO DOWN THE
% LINE.%AND THEN FOR THAT MATT
ER, WE
% JUST BRING REVENUE INTO THE
% CITY.%PART OF THAT CONVERSAT
ION IS
% KIND OF RELIANT UPON THE
% RELATIONSHIP WITH STATE
% GOVERNMENT IN MADISON, THE
% LEGISLATURE ESPECIALLY.
% THEN THERE IS THE MATTER OF
% HOUSING AFFORD AFFORDABILITY.
% THE RACIAL GAP.
% THE TOPICS.
% MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A
% ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD.
% I GUESS THE QUESTION AT THE VERY
% ROOT OF ALL OF THIS, SORT OF
% EXISTENTIAL QUESTION,
% ESPECIALLY, AFTER ALL OF THE
% YEARS WITH THE SAME GOVERNOR,
% NOT THE SAME GOVERNOR, THE SAME
% AYOR, WHAT MAKES MILWAUKEE WHAT
% IT IS?
% DOES THE MAYOR HELP MAKE A CITY
% THAT IS SAFE, HEALTHY AND
% SUCCESSFUL?%THAT IS REALLY W
HAT IS AT PLAY
% HERE IN A NUTSHELL.
% >> SO LOTS OF VARYING INTERESTS
% AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FROM
% JOHN THAT PLAYS OUT IN YOUR
% DATA.
% SO JOHN, AFTER LAST NIGHT'S
% RESULTS SEEING JOHNSON AND
% DONOVAN COMING OUT ON TOP,
% OUTPERFORMING EVEN STATE SENATOR
% TAYLOR AND OTHERS, WHAT STOOD
% OUT TO YOU ABOUT THESE TWO
% CANDIDATES THAT CAME OUT ON TOP?
% >> THE MOST STRIKING THING TO ME
% WAS, HOW BROAD CAVALIER
% JOHNSON'S SUPPORT WAS.
% HE WON 12 OUT OF THE CITY'S 15
% DISTRICTS.
% HE HAD STRONG SUPPORT ACROSS HIS
% OWN ALDERMANIC DISTRICT, AND
% NEIGHBORS ON THE NORTH SIDE BUT
% ALSO DID VERY WELL ON THE EAST
% SIDE OF MILWAUKEE AND IN BAYVIEW
% AREAS THAT WERE SUPPORT FOR
% FORMER MAYOR TOM BARRETT.
% I WAS ALSO STRUCK BY DONOVAN'S
% PERFORMANCE BUT NOT HOW STRONG
% IT WAS.
% HE ACTUALLY DID QUITE A BIT
% WORSE THAN HE DID IN 2016.
% AND 2016'S PRIMARY, HE GOT A
% THIRD OF THE VOTE.
% AND THIS TIME, HE GOT JUST A
% LITTLE BIT OVER A FIFTH.
% SO THE ONLY REASON THAT DONOVAN
% ADVANCED IS BECAUSE THE
% REMAINDER OF THE ELECTORATE,
% ABOUT 35% WAS EVENLY DIVIDED
% BETWEEN STATE SENATOR TAYLOR,
% SHERIFF LUCAS AND ALDERWOMAN.
% SO DONOVAN IS ADVANCING TO THE
% SECOND ROUND, YES.
% BUT NOT FROM A POSITION OF
% STRENGTH.%>> AND MILWAUKEE I
S GRAPPLING
% CURRENTLY WITH VERY HISTORIC
% RATES OF VIOLENCE.
% CHRISTINE, HOW DID THIS TOPIC
% SHAPE THE RACE?
% AND WHAT WERE THE POSITIONS OF
% THESE TOP TWO FRONTRUNNERS?
% >> I MEAN, TO SOME EXTENT, WE
% DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
% RECKLESS DRIVING.
% THERE IS THE QUESTION THERE, HOW
% DO YOU KEEP THE ROAD SAFE FOR
% PEDESTRIANS, DRIVER, ALL OF THE
% PEOPLE WHO USE THOSE ROADS ONE
% WAY OR ANOTHER.
% THINGS LIKE HOMICIDES AND
% MURDER, NO LESS SIGNIFICANT OF
% AN ISSUE.
% THERE HAS BEEN 31 HOMICIDES IN
% MILWAUKEE ALREADY THIS YEAR.
% COMPARE THAT TO 2021.
% AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR, THERE
% WAS ONLY 14 HOMICIDES.
% AS BEST AS WE CAN TELL, THE
% PROBLEM REALLY ISN'T
% DIMINISHING.%FOR WHAT JOHNSON
AND DONOVAN HAD
% TO SAY ABOUT IT ALL, WELL, I
% MEAN, JOHNSON HAS TAKEN FULL
% ADVANTAGE OF HOLDING THE MAYOR'S
% SEAT IN THE INTERIM POSITION.
% HE ANNOUNCED A PUBLIC SAFETY
% PLAN, NOT LONG AFTER HE TOOK
% THAT POSITION.
% AND A LOT OF THAT PLAN IS
% DEPENDENT ON EDUCATION, BOTH FOR
% POLICE OFFICERS AND THE PUBLIC.
% KEEPING OFFICERS AROUND IN THE
% POLICE DEPARTMENT.
% JUST FUNDING FOR TRAFFIC
% ENFORCEMENT AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE
% PREVENTION PROGRAMS, THAT SORT
% OF THING.
% DONOVAN TALK ABOUT RESTORING MPD
% TO FORMER LEVEL OF MAN POWER.
% THERE IS THAT MATTER.
% AND THEN, I GUESS, YOU COULD
% SAY, DONOVAN'S POSITION IS IS
% THAT THERE IS AN ATTITUDE OF
% LAWLESSNESS THAT HAS BECOME
% PERVASIVE IN PARTS OF MILWAUKEE.
% THIS IS PARAPHRASING, FROM THE
% FORUM THAT WE HAD HERE IN
% MILWAUKEE LAST WEEK.
% AND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE
% ACCOUNTABILITY FOR CRIMES
% COMMITTED.
% SO HARSHER PUNISHMENT.
% THEN WORKING WITH DISTRICT
% ATTORNEYS, JUDGES AND SO ON.
% SO I MEAN, THERE IS SOME
% COMMONALITIES IN HOW JOHNSON AND
% DONOVAN IS GOING ABOUT THIS.
% BUT JOHNSON IS TAKING THE
% ADDRESSING THE ROOT OF THE ISSUE
% APPROACH, I WOULD SAY THAT
% DONOVAN IS TAKING A TOUGH ON
% CRIME STANCE.
% >> AND MILWAUKEE IS VERY
% WELL-KNOWN FOR ITS RACIAL
% SEGREGATION AND FOR HAVING SOME
% OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF IT IN
% THE COUNTRY.
% JOHN, YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT
% MILWAUKEE'S HISTORICALLY
% POLARIZED ELECTORATE.
% WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?
% AND DID YOU SEE THAT IN
% TUESDAY'S PRIMARY RESULTS?
% >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
% SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, GOING TO
% GO BACK TO THE LAST TIME THAT
% MILWAUKEE HAD A CONTESTED, OR
% OPEN MAYORAL ELECTION IN 2004.
% AT THAT TIME, THERE IS SOME
% PARALLELS TO TODAY.
% AT THAT TIME, WE HAD BLACK
% ACTING MAYER NAMED MARVIN PRATT.
% AND HE RAN AGAINST A WIDE FIELD
% IN THE PRIMARY.
% TOOK FIRST PLACE IN THE PRIMARY.
% TOM BARRETT CAME SECOND.
% TOM BARRETT DEFEATED MARVIN
% PRATT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
% THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST RACIALLY
% POLARIZED ELECTION RESULTS I
% HAVE EVER PERSONALLY LOOKED AT.
% IF YOU MAKE JUST A SIMPLE
% REGRESSION MODEL WHERE YOU USE
% CO-EFFICIENTS FOR EACH WARD,
% BASED ON THE PROPORTION OF
% RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS THERE,
% JUST THOSE VARIABLES ALONE,
% EXPLAIN 98% OF TOM BARRETT'S
% SHARE.
% IT IS REALLY QUITE SHOCKING.
% AFTER THAT ELECTION, BARRETT
% WENT ON TO CHANGE AND GROW HIS
% COALITION IN REAL WAYS.
% HIS BASE OF SUPPORT WAS REALLY
% IN THE MAJORITY WHITE
% PROGRESSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE
% CITY ALONG THE LAKE AS WELL AS
% HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD OF
% WASHINGTON HEIGHTS ON THE WEST
% SIDE.
% FROM THAT BASE, WHICH COVERS
% ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE CITY,
% WHEN HE RAN AGAINST A
% CONSERVATIVE CON DATE LIKE BOB
% -- CANDIDATE LIKE BOB DONOVAN,
% HE WOULD GET THE SUPPORT OF THE
% CITY AS WELL.
% WHEN HE RAN AGAINST A BLACK
% CANDIDATE LIKE MARVIN PRATT OR
% TAYLOR, HE WOULD GET THE SUPPORT
% OF THE CONSERVATIVE WHITE PARTS
% OF THE CITY WHICH ARE LIKE BOB
% DONOVAN STRONGHOLD.
% SO WITH THOSE SETS OF COALITIONS
% IN MIND, I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE
% WHAT THIS ELECTION WOULD RESULT
% IN.%AND INSTEAD WE SAW SOMET
HING
% RATHER NEW.
% CAVALIER JOHNSON, WHO OF COURSE,
% REPRESENTS THE SECOND DISTRICT
% ON NORTH SIDE OF MILWAUKEE,
% ACTUALLY WON QUITE CONSIDERABLE
% PLURALITY OF THE VOTE IN THOSE
% PARTS OF THE CITY THAT BARRETT
% HAD HIS GREATEST STRENGTHS IN.
% THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY OR
% INTERSTATE 33 AND ALSO THE
% WASHINGTON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD
% ON THE WEST SIDE.
% THIS WAS IN SOME WAYS, ONE OF
% THE LESS RACIALLY POLARIZED
% ELECTIONS THAT WE HAVE SEEN
% RECENTLY IN MILWAUKEE.
% >> SO ALSO A MAJOR DEBATE IN NOT
% THE ONLY CITY OF MILWAUKEE
% ITSELF, EXPANDING OUT SOMETHING
% THAT STATE LAWMAKERS ALSO DEBATE
% AS WELL, MILWAUKEE PUBLIC
% SCHOOLS.
% SO CHRISTINE, HOW DID THE ISSUES
% OF SCHOOLS PLAY OUT?
% AND WILL WE CONTINUE TO SEE THIS
% COME UP FOR BOTH OF THE
% CANDIDATES IN THE GENERAL
% ELECTION?
% >> RIGHT, I MEAN, AS YOU
% MENTIONED, IT IS AN ISSUE THAT
% SORT OF TRANSCENDS THE CITY.
% ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'LL OFFER
% A CALLOUT TO MADDY, THIS VERY
% MOMENT, WORKING ON A STORY OF
% STATE LEGISLATURE PROPOSAL THAT
% SPLIT UP MILWAUKEE PUBLIC
% SCHOOLS.%THAT WAS ON THE MIND
S OF THE
% CANDIDATES AT FORUM LAST WEEK.
% THE MODERATORS ASKED ALL OF THE
% CANDIDATES AT ONE POINT, DO ANY
% OF YOU SUPPORT THAT PROPOSAL?
% NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM RAISED
% THEIR HANDS.
% WHICH I THINK THAT SPEAKS SOME
% TO THAT REALLY DIVIDE BETWEEN
% THE PERSPECTIVE OF STATE
% GOVERNMENT, THE LEGISLATURE FOR
% THAT MATTER, ON THIS.
% AND WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT
% ARE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY,
% WORKING ON THESE ISSUES HERE,
% STAYING ON IT.
% I THINK THAT GOES BACK SOME TO
% THE ISSUE OF, HOW DO YOU WORK
% WITH STATE GOVERNANCE TO MAKE
% SURE THAT ONE, THE SCHOOLS ARE
% GETTING THE FUNDING THEY NEED SO
% THAT TEACHERS CAN MAKE A LIVING,
% SO THAT MARGINALIZED GROUPS THAT
% WE DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH IN
% TEACHING ARE MORE EQUITABLY
% REPRESENTED.%SO STUDENTS CAN
GET A RELEVANT
% UP TO DATE EDUCATION THAT FITS
% IN THAT MODERN CONTEXT.
% DONOVAN WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT
% THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AREN'T LEFT
% OUT OF THE CONVERSATION EITHER.
% JOHNSON MEANWHILE HAS FOCUSED
% BIT MORE AND GETTING EDUCATION
% STARTED IN EARLY CHILDHOOD JUST
% TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE
% FOUNDATIONS ARE IN PLACE FROM
% THE GET GO.
% OF COURSE, YOU COULD GO ON AND
% ON AND ON ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
% IS IT GOING TO COME UP IN THE
% GENERAL?
% I, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT?
% MAYBE NOT AS PROMINENT OF ISSUE
% AS VIOLENCE AND THE LIKE.
% THIS IS THE SORT OF THING THAT
% AFFECTS THE GENERATIONS TO COME.
% WITH THE LEGISLATURE SETTING
% THEIR SIGHTS ON BREAKING UP MPS,
% THERE IS ANOTHER EXISTENTIAL
% QUESTION, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH
% THAT, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DEAL
% WITH THAT?
% DO YOU RECKON WITH THE MATTER
% MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE GETTING
% THE FUNDING YOU NEED?
% >> NOW, JOHN, YOU HAVE GONE BACK
% AS YOU JUST SPOKE TO LOOKING AT
% THE VOTING PATTERNS OF ELECTIONS
% FOR MAYOR TOM BARRETT AND HOW HE
% HAS WON THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
% MORE RECENTLY, YOU ALSO LOOKED
% AT COUNTY EXECUTIVE ELECTIONS
% AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE SPEAKING
% TO WHAT THE CURRENT MOMENT IS.
% CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
% THAT?%>> THE 2020 COUNTY EXE
CUTIVE
% RACE WAS A VERY INTERESTING ONE.
% THE GENERAL ELECTION PITTED
% DAVID CROWLEY, WHO IS A STATE
% ASSEMBLYMAN AGAINST CHRIS
% LARSON, WHO IS A STATE SENATOR
% FROM MILWAUKEE.
% BOTH DEMOCRATS.
% BUT LARSON WAS, IS OUTSPOKEN
% PROGRESSIVE AND CROWLEY, WELL,
% CERTAINLY NO CONSERVATIVE, I
% GUESS, WAS PERCEIVED AS MORE OF
% THE MODERATE TRACK IN THAT RACE.
% DAVID CROWLEY IS BLACK.
% CHRIS LARSON IS WHITE.
% CHRIS LARSON WON THOSE PARTS OF
% THE CITY THAT SUPPORTED TOM
% BARRETT OVERWHELMINGLY.
% THE PARTS BY THE LAKE AND WHAT
% NOT.
% CROWLEY WON THE MAJORITY BLACK
% PARTS OF THE CITY BUT ALSO DID
% SURPRISINGLY WELL IN THE MORE
% CONSERVATIVE PARTS OF MILWAUKEE
% AND MILWAUKEE COUNTY.
% ALTHOUGH HE LOST THE FAR SOUTH
% AND SOUTHWEST SIDE, HE DID SO BY
% LESS.
% HE GOT MORE DEVOUT THAN HE DID,
% MORE PROGRESSIVE EAST SIDE OF
% THE CITY.
% CROWLEY ALSO NARROWLY WON
% MILWAUKEE COUNTY'S CONSERVATIVE
% SUBURB OF FRANKLIN WHILE LOSING
% THE MOST PROGRESSIVE SUBURB OF
% SHERWOOD.%AND YOU CAN SEE TH
E PATTERN
% ACROSS THE RACES.
% THAT SHOWED, YOU KNOW, A
% POSSIBLY NEW COALITION IN
% MILWAUKEE POLITICS THAT COULD BE
% SUCCESSFUL.%BUT THAT IS NOT
WHAT WE SAW IN
% THIS MAYORAL ELECTION, IN THIS
% PRIMARY INSTEAD IT WAS THE
% PROGRESSIVE PARTS OF THE CITY
% AND ALONG THE LAKE AND THE
% DISTRICTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
% THE CITY THAT REALLY JOINED
% FORCES TO GET CAVALIER JOHNSON
% THIS LARGE PLURALITY IN THE
% PRIMARY.%>> NOW CHRISTINE, NO
T PERSONALLY
% BEING A RESIDENT OF MILWAUKEE,
% YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE
% GUESSED SOMETHING LIKE RECKLESS
% DRIVING WOULD BE A TOP ISSUE.
% SO WHY ARE CERTAIN ISSUES
% GETTING ATTENTION?
% AND AS JOHN JUST SPOKE TO, HOW
% IS RACE A FACTOR IN THE ISSUES
% THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT?
% AND OVERALL, WILL PEOPLE BE
% TURNING TO THESE SAME ISSUES, DO
% YOU THINK IN THE GENERAL
% ELECTION?
% >> RIGHT.
% I MEAN, TO COME TO THE MATTER OF
% RECKLESS DRIVING, IT IS ALMOST
% BECOME KIND OF A TROPE ABOUT
% MILWAUKEE IN THIS LAST YEAR OR
% TWO.
% I THINK THAT PART OF THAT HAS TO
% DO WITH THE CAR THEFTS AND THE
% RECORD NUMBERS OF THOSE THAT WE
% ARE SEEING.
% AND A FAIR NUMBER OF THAT HAS TO
% DO WITH KIA AND HYUNDAI
% VEHICLES.%WEIRD TO BRING CER
TAIN MAKES OF
% CARS INTO THIS, THEY HAD
% PROBLEMS WITH CERTAIN CAR,
% CERTAIN MODEL YEAR, EASY TO
% BREAK INTO AND TAKE WITHOUT THE
% KEY.
% WHAT YOU END UP WITH, YOUNG
% PEOPLE, TEENAGER, SOMETIMES
% PRE-TEENS THAT WILL BREAK INTO
% THE CARS, TAKE THEM FOR A
% JOYRIDE AND THEN LEAVE THEM
% STRANDED ON THE SIDE OF THE
% ROAD.
% BECAUSE THESE KIDS DON'T REALLY
% HAVE THE SUPPORT SYSTEMS THAT
% THEY NEEDED.
% ESPECIAL LIVE IN THESE MORE
% MARGINALIZED AREAS OF THE CITY.
% I MEAN BUT THAT IS NOT THE ONLY
% ISSUE AT PLAY HERE.
% WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THE
% CAR THEFTS.
% THERE IS ALSO JUST THE MATTER
% OF, DO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
% DOING WHEN THEY ARE DRIVING?
% AND DO, IS THERE EQUITABLE
% ACCESS TO DRIVER'S EDUCATION IN
% MILWAUKEE?
% ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE MORE
% MARGINALIZED GROUPS AS YOU WERE
% SPEAKING TO A LITTLE BIT.
% I MEAN, MANY OF THE DRIVERS ED
% PROGRAMS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW IN
% MILWAUKEE, ARE EITHER LIMITED IN
% CAPACITY OR JUST PLAIN
% UNAFFORDABLE.
% JOHNSON IS ONE OF A NUMBER OF
% CANDIDATES WHOSE CALLED FOR
% UNIVERSAL DRIVERS EDUCATION.
% AT MPS.
% HE ACTUALLY, NOT LONG BEFORE HE
% TOOK OVER THE INTERIM MAYORSHIP,
% HE UNVEILED A PLAN TO TACKLE THE
% ISSUE.
% WITH INCREASED POLICE
% ENFORCEMENT, TECHNOLOGY, ALTERED
% STREET DESIGN AND SO ON.
% YOU HAVE DONOVAN GOING ALONG
% WITH THE IDEA OF STEPPING UP
% ENFORCEMENT.
% THAT FORM, HE TALKED ABOUT THE
% LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR
% CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE TO
% COMMIT CRIMES.
% THAT POINT, I THINK THAT YOU ARE
% GETTING INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT
% CAN OF WORMS IN THOSE ISSUES
% WITH, WELL, HOW DOES THE
% COMMUNITY CONNECT WITH THE
% POLICE?%AND WOULD THAT RISK
STRAINING
% THAT RELATIONSHIP EVEN MORE THAN
% IT ALREADY STRAINED?
% ARE THESE ISSUES GOING TO GO
% AWAY IN THE GENERAL?
% I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE NAIVE
% TO ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD.
% I MEAN, THESE AREN'T GOING AWAY.
% I MEAN, IN THESE SORTS OF
% CAMPAIGNS, YOU SEE PEOPLE
% TENDING TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS
% THOSE ISSUES THAT HIT CLOSE TO
% HOME.%AND WHEN IT COMES TO T
HINGS LIKE
% RECKLESS DRIVING, THE CITY THAT
% IS SO RELIANT ON PEOPLE USING
% THE ROADS TO GET AROUND, IT
% AFFECTS, IF NOT MOST PEOPLE'S
% LIVES, THEN CERTAINLY IT AFFECTS
% A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES IN ONE
% WAY OR ANOTHER.
% >> AND JOHN, A PART OF YOUR
% RESEARCH HAS BEEN LOOKING AT HOW
% THE CITY'S DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE
% BEEN CHANGING.
% AND HOW THAT HAS BEEN IMPACTING
% THE ELECTION.
% WHAT HAVE THOSE CHANGING
% DEMOGRAPHICS LOOKED LIKE?
% IS YOUR DATA SHOWING ANYTHING
% ABOUT HOW THAT IS INFLUENCING
% THE ISSUES AND HOW CANDIDATES
% ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES?
% AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE
% LOOKING FOR AS WE HEAD INTO THE
% GENERAL ELECTION?
% IN APRIL?
% >> YEAH, IN 2004, WHEN BARRETT
% WON HIS FIRST ELECTION, PROBABLY
% A MAJORITY OF THE CITY'S ADULTS
% AT THAT TIME, WERE STILL
% NON-HISPANIC WHITE.%THAT IS
NOT TRUE ANYMORE.
% MILWAUKEE IS A VERY DIVERSE CITY
% SEGREGATED, YES, BUT ALSO
% DIVERSE.
% IF YOU ARE GOING TO WIN CITYWIDE
% RACE, TODAY, YOU NEED A MULTI
% RACIAL COALITION TO DO SO.
% I WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE
% TWO DECADES AGO.
% AND SO IT WILL BE A REAL
% CHALLENGE FOR DONOVAN BASED ON
% HIS PAST ELECTION RESULTS TO
% ACHIEVE THAT.
% I WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THE
% LAST TIME DONOVAN RAN IN 2016
% AND IN THAT PRIMARY, THERE WERE,
% THERE IS TOM BARRETT, BOB
% DONOVAN AND JOE DAVIS AND
% ALDERMAN FROM, ACTUALLY,
% CAVALIER JOHNSON'S CURRENT
% DISTRICT, THE SECOND DISTRICT.
% AND AS I SAID, DONOVAN GOT ABOUT
% A THIRD OF THE VOTE, AS I
% RECALL.
% JOE DAVIS GOT 18%.
% JOE DAVIS ACTUALLY ENDORSED BOB
% DONOVAN AFTER LOSING THE
% PRIMARY.
% IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO MAKE A WIT
% OF DIFFERENCE TO THE VOTERS IN
% HIS DISTRICT THAT SUPPORTED
% BARRETT OVERWHELMINGLY IN THE
% GENERAL ELECTION BUT I THINK
% THAT SPEAKS TO DONOVAN'S REAL
% STRUGGLE TO BUILD ANY KIND OF
% APPEAL OUTSIDE OF HIS BASE OF
% SUPPORT IN THE 11TH AND 13TH
% ALDERMANIC SUPPORT, ON THE
% SOUTH, SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE
% CITY.%IN FACT, HE DID WORSE
IN THOSE
% DISTRICTS NOW THAN HE DID SIX
% YEARS AGO.
% SO IT IS, IT IS A REAL QUESTION
% OF IF HE CAN FIND ANY WAY TO
% APPEAL TO MORE VOTERS THAN HE
% ALREADY HAS.
% >> AND WITH SO MANY THINGS
% CHANGING IN THE CITY AS
% CHRISTINE SPOKE TO, AT THE START
% OF THE PROGRAM, IT IS GOING TO
% LOOK LIKE THE IDENTITY OF THE
% CITY IS GOING TO CHANGE WITH
% THIS MAYORAL CHANGE.
% SO WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE.
% CHRISTINE HATFIELD OF WISCONSIN
% PUBLIC RADIO AND JOHN JOHNSON OF
% THE MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL.
% THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR THE
% CONVERSATION.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> FOR MORE FROM HERE AND NOW,
% AND PBS WISCONSIN, VISIT
% PBSWISCONSIN.ORG/NEWS.
% AND BEFORE WE GO, NOON WEDNESDAY
% IS GOING TO BE TAKING A BRIEF
% BREAK.
% CHECK THIS SPACE FOR UPDATES AND
% WE'LL BE BACK SOON WITH MORE
% NEWS MAKER CONVERSATIONS.
% BUT UNTIL THEN, I'M MARISA
% WOJCIK, THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.