% >>> WELCOME TO "NOON WEDNESDAY,"
% I'M MARISA WOJCIK, MULTIMEDIA
% JOURNALIST WITH "HERE & NOW" ON
% PBS WISCONSIN.
% TODAY IS FEBRUARY 9.
% QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW POLICE USE
% FORCE HAVE BEEN RENEWED AFTER AN
% OFFICER SHOT A BLACK MAN IN
% MADISON DURING A, QUOTE,
% MULTIJURISDICTIONAL ARREST%EF
FORT ON THURSDAY WITH THE WITH
% DANE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
% OFFERING FEW DETAILS ABOUT THE,
% QUOTE, OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING
% WHERE, QUOTE, SHOTS WERE FIRED.
% HERE TO DISCUSS HER REPORTING ON
% THIS IS EMILY HAMER, CRIMINAL
% JUSTICE REPORTER FROM THE
% "WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL," AND
% THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING.
% >> YEAH.
% THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
% >> SO WHO IS QUADRON WILSON?
% WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE
% MAN SHOT BY LAW ENFORCEMENT
% OFFICERS?%>> YEAH.
% SO HE'S 38, AND WE DON'T KNOW
% MUCH ABOUT -- I HAVE NOT TALKED
% TO HIM YET, BUT I DID TALK WITH
% HIS FAMILY, AND THEY JUST ARE
% REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HIM AND
% HIS SAFETY.
% HE IS -- HIS MOTHER SAID HE WAS
% SHOT, AND THAT HE RECENTLY WENT
% THROUGH SURGERY, AND HE'S NOW IN
% THE DANE COUNTY JAIL.
% THE DANE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
% SAID HE WAS WANTED ON A WARRANT
% FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF
% CORRECTIONS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW
% WHAT THAT WARRANT IS OR WHY
% POLICE WERE AFTER HIM BECAUSE
% POLICE HAVE NOT SAID AT THIS
% POINT.%>> SO CAN YOU RUN US T
HROUGH THE
% TIME LI LINE OF EVENT ZS AS YOU
% UNDERSTAND THEM?
% WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
% OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING%TH
URSDAY MORNING ON MADISON'S% FAR EA
ST SIDE?% >> YEAH.
% SO THIS INFORMATION IS ALL
% COMING FROM WILSON'S MOTHER
% BECAUSE POLICE HAVE NOT SAID
% MUCH AT ALL ABOUT WHAT HAS
% HAPPENED.
% THE SHOOTING HAPPENED A LITTLE
% AFTER 8:00 A.M. IN MADISON IN
% INTERSECTION.%WE KNOW THAT F
OR SURE.
% WILSON'S MOTHER SAID THAT SHE
% WAS TOLD IN A BRIEF CONVERSATION
% HE PULLED UP TO A STOPLIGHT, AND
% A TRUCK IN FRONT OF HIM BACKED
% UP INTO HIS VEHICLE, AND THEN
% ANOTHER TRUCK KIND OF SANDWICHED
% HIM FROM BEHIND, AND THEN HE
% REALIZED THAT THE OCCUPANTS WERE
% UNDERCOVER OFFICERS, AND THEY
% CAME OUT AND STARTED YELLING FOR
% HIM TO PUT HIS HANDS UP.
% SHE SAID THAT WILSON SAID THEY
% BROKE HIS WINDOWS, AND HE PUT
% HIS HANDS UP ON THE DASH, UP ON
% THE STEERING WHEEL RIGHT AWAY,
% AND HE SAID THAT THEY JUST
% STARTED SHOOTING AT HIM SO THAT
% IS WILSON'S ACCOUNT OF THE
% SHOOTING AS TOLD TO ME BY HIS
% MOTHER.
% I DON'T KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT IT
% OTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE POLICE
% ARE NOT PROVIDING VERY MANY
% DETAILS AT ALL.
% THERE IS A VIDEO OF THE
% AFTERMATH OF THE SHOOTING, AND
% IT DOESN'T SHOW THE SHOOTING,
% ITSELF, THOUGH, BUT IT SHOWS A
% LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AROUND
% THIS SANDWICHED VEHICLE, AND IT
% SHOWS A MAN BEING PULLED ON A
% STRETCHER INTO AN AMBULANCE.
% >> YOU SAID LAW ENFORCEMENT
% HAVEN'T SAID MUCH ABOUT THIS,
% BUT OF WHAT THEY HAVE SAID, CAN
% YOU SHARE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST
% EVEN THE SMALLEST OF DETAILS?
% ARE THEY RESPONDING TO YOUR
% INQUIRIES?
% ARE THEY GIVING ANY INDICATION
% OF WHEN THEY MIGHT PROVIDE MORE
% DETAILS TO THE PUBLIC?
% >> NOT REALLY AT ALL, NO.
% THEY PROVIDED A BRIEF UPDATE
% YESTERDAY MORNING WHERE THEY
% FINALLY CONFIRMED THAT THE MAN
% SHOT WAS QUADRON WILSON, AND
% BEFORE THAT, THEY ONLY SAID IT
% WAS A 38-YEAR-OLD MAN.
% OTHER THAN THAT, THEY SAID
% THAT -- THEY ARE SAYING THAT IT
% WAS AN OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING
% IN WHICH SHOTS WERE FIRED.
% THEY HAVE NOT EVEN CONFIRMED
% THAT POLICE WERE THE ONES TO
% SHOOT WILSON.
% WE DO KNOW THAT MADISON POLICE
% WERE ASSISTING THE WISCONSIN
% DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S DIVISION
% OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN AN
% ARREST.
% MADISON POLICE DID NOT FIRE ANY
% WEAPONS AT ALL.
% THEY GOT IN AN UPDATE MONDAY, I
% BELIEVE, SAYING THEY DID NOT
% EVEN SEE THE SHOOTING HAPPEN.
% THEY WERE ON THE PERIMETER, SO
% IT SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR IT WAS AN
% OFFICER WITH THE DIVISION OF
% CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
% THAT IS WHAT WILSON'S MOTHER
% SAID, BUT POLICE AUTHORITIES
% HAVE NOT GIVEN US THAT
% INFORMATION YET, NOR SAID WHO
% THE OFFICER WAS WHO SHOT WILSON.
% IT COULD EVEN MAYBE BEEN MORE
% THAN ONE OFFICER.
% >> IN YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A
% CRIMINAL JUSTICE REPORTER, IS
% THAT STANDARD PRACTICE THAT AT
% THIS POINT IN A CASE THAT'S KIND
% OF MURKY AND HAS THE POTENTIAL
% TO BE UPSETTING TO THE PUBLIC
% THAT THERE IS NO MORE DETAILS
% OTHER THAN THESE VERY, VERY
% VAGUE PHRASES BEING SAID?
% DO YOU THINK THAT POLICE SHOULD
% BE PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION
% REGARDLESS?%>> I DEFINITELY
THINK THAT
% POLICE SHOULD BE PROVIDING MORE
% INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC ON
% THIS.
% I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
% STANDARD PRACTICE IS.
% I DO THINK THAT POLICE REPORTING
% AND HOLDING THE POLICE
% ACCOUNTABLE IS SOMETHING THAT MY
% COLLEAGUE, CHRIS RICKER, HAS
% DONE MORE OF WHILE I FOCUS ON
% THE BUSINESS SYSTEM, SO HE KNOWS
% MORE ABOUT THAT AND THE HISTORY
% OF THAT, BUT I THINK FROM HIS
% REPORTING THEY TYPICALLY LET US
% KNOW A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN
% THIS, THE DETAILS OF THE
% SHOOTING, BUT THERE WAS AN
% INCIDENT LAST FALL WHEN THEY
% USED -- AUTHORITIES USED THIS
% KIND OF MURKY LANGUAGE, AND THEY
% MADE IT SEEM LIKE A SUSPECT SHOT
% POLICE WHEN, REALLY, IT WAS
% POLICE OFFICERS WHO FIRED THEIR
% WEAPONS, AND SO THEY HAVE USED
% THIS KIND OF MURKY LANGUAGE IN
% THE PAST THAT'S CONFUSED THINGS
% IN THE INITIAL STAGES.
% >> QUADRON WILSON IS -- HAS
% UNDERGONE SURGERY, AS YOU
% MENTIONED, FOR HIS INJURIES.
% HOW EXTENSIVE WERE THOSE
% INJURIES, AND HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE
% TO REACH HIM FOR COMMENT AT ALL?
% >> WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO
% REACH HIM YET AT THIS POINT.
% I'M ALSO NOT SURE HOW EXTENSIVE
% HIS INJURIES WERE.
% HIS MOTHER SAID THAT WHEN SHE
% TALKED WITH DOCTORS THAT HE --
% THEY SAID HIS INJURIES WERE IN
% THE BACK, AND THAT HE WAS SHOT
% SEVERAL TIMES IN THE BACK.
% THEY WERE VERY WORRIED, WHEN I
% SPOKE WITH THEM ON SATURDAY,
% THEY HAVE NOT GOT AN UPDATE YET.
% THEY WERE WORRIED, WONDERING IF
% HE WAS EVEN ALIVE, BUT HE DID
% MAKE IT THROUGH SURGERY OKAY,
% AND HE IS IN THE DANE COUNTY
% JAIL.%THEY SAID THAT HE IS N
OT DOING
% GREAT.%I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY W
HAT THAT
% MEANS, THOUGH, BUT HE IS ALIVE,
% SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE KNOW.
% >> AND YOU MENTIONED YOU SPOKE
% WITH HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, AND HIS
% MOTHER SHARED WHAT HER SON TOLD
% OF HER ABOUT THE INCIDENT, WHICH
% YOU ALREADY SHARED A LITTLE BIT.
% CAN YOU TELL US ANYTHING ELSE
% THAT SHE RELAYED TO YOU?
% >> SHE -- ONE THING I HAD NOT
% MENTIONED YET WAS THAT SHE SAID
% QUADRON WILSON WAS UNARMED IN
% THE SHOOTING.
% SHE SAID THAT HE TOLD HER HE
% DIDN'T KNOW OR UNDERSTAND WHY
% POLICE WERE AFTER HIM, AND THAT
% HE BELIEVES HE WAS SHOT IN THE
% BACK AT LEAST FIVE TIMES.
% HE TOLD HER THAT HE HEARD MAYBE
% 20 SHOTS.
% AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW HOW
% ACCURATE THAT IS YET.
% HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH CONFIRMATION
% FROM THE POLICE.
% IN THE VIDEO OF THE AFTERMATH,
% IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SHOOTING OR
% SOUND, AND SO WE -- THERE'S
% STILL VERY LITTLE INFORMATION
% ABOUT IT, BUT WE DO KNOW,
% ACCORDING TO HIS MOTHER, HE WAS
% UNARMED.%>> NOW, AGAIN, IN YO
UR
% EXPERIENCE AS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE
% REPORTER, HAVE YOU COME ACROSS
% ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS
% BEFORE?
% YOU KNOW, TWO TRUCKS BACKING IN
% AND FORWARD INTO A CAR TO
% SANDWICH THEM IN THE MORNING
% DAYLIGHT IN PUBLIC?
% IT'S THE OFFICE OF -- IT'S DCI
% AGENTS THAT ARE DOING THIS.
% DOES THIS SEEM OUT OF THE
% ORDINARY OF A SITUATION FOR WHAT
% HE WAS POTENTIALLY WANTED FOR?
% >> UH-HUH.
% YEAH.
% I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE
% THAT BEFORE.
% I DID -- I KNOW THAT I COVERED
% SOME OF THE PROTESTS IN THE
% SUMMER OF 2020 AFTER THE MURDER
% OF GEORGE FLOYD, AND I SAW
% POLICE PULL UP IN AN UNMARKED
% VEHICLE AND TAKE A SUSPECT INTO
% THE CAR, JUST KIND OF BY
% SURPRISE.
% IT FELT LIKE IT WAS OUT OF
% NOWHERE.%IT IS NOT THE EXACT
SAME THING,
% BUT I HAVE SEEN THEM BEFORE
% USE -- WHEN THEY MAKE AN ARREST,
% THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE
% ELEMENT OF SURPRISE TO LIMIT
% SITUATIONS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED%
WHERE IT ENDS UP IN A SHOOTING,
% OBVIOUSLY, THAT DID NOT WORK
% HERE, BUT I HAVE SEEN SURPRISE
% TACTICS USED BEFORE.
% I'M NOT SURE HOW UNUSUAL THIS
% METHOD IS, THOUGH.
% >> NOW, GIVEN ALL OF THE
% DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE
% INVOLVED, THE DANE COUNTY
% SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARE THE ONES
% THAT ARE INVESTIGATING.%WHY
ARE THEY INVESTIGATING THIS
% INCIDENT?%>> YEAH.
% SO IT'S -- IT'S A LITTLE
% CONFUSING, BUT THE -- SO MADISON
% POLICE WERE ON SCENE.
% THEY WERE HELPING, BUT THEY
% DIDN'T SEE THE SHOOTING.
% THE WISCONSIN DEPARTMENT OF
% JUSTICE'S DIVISION OF CRIMINAL
% INVESTIGATION, IT WAS THEIR
% ARREST.
% IT WAS THEIR INCIDENT.
% NORMALLY, WHEN THERE'S AN
% OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING, THE
% STATE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL
% INVESTIGATION IS THE ONE TO LEAD
% THOSE SORTS OF INVESTIGATIONS.
% IT IS SORT OF AN OUTSIDE AGENCY
% THAT'S LOOKING INTO WHETHER
% THERE WAS ANY WRONG DOING BY THE
% AUTHORITIES, BUT SINCE THE
% DIVISION OF CRIMINAL
% INVESTIGATION WAS INVOLVED, THE
% DANE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS
% MEETING THE INVESTIGATION OF THE
% OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING AS
% THEY WERE NOT INVOLVED AT ALL IN
% THE INCIDENT, ITSELF.
% >> AND WILSON'S BROTHER IS
% SAYING THAT RACE IS A FACTOR, AT
% LEAST AS TO WHY INFORMATION FROM
% LAW ENFORCEMENT IS MINIMAL AND
% VAGUE.
% AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE
% MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD AND OTHER
% CASES REBATES CREATED -- CASES
% CREATED A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR
% LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE AND THE
% MEDIA IN HOW THEY COVER, AND HOW
% THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE LED,
% HOW THEY ARE COMMUNICATED, HAS
% THIS IMPACTED YOUR APPROACH IN
% THIS SPECIFIC STORY?
% >> I THINK IN THIS STORY, JUST
% KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED WITH
% GEORGE FLOYD, I THINK IT MADE US
% WANT EVEN MORE TO BE REALLY
% AGGRESSIVE IN PURSUING THIS AND
% GETTING AS MUCH INFORMATION AS
% WE CAN, ESPECIALLY SINCE POLICE
% WERE NOT EVEN SAYING THAT THEY
% WERE THE ONES WHO SHOT WILSON,
% AND SO I -- IT WAS NOT JUST ME
% AND MY COLLEAGUE, CHRIS RICKER,
% AS WELL, PUSHED OFFICIALS TO TRY
% TO GIVE A SOME SORT OF
% INFORMATION, JUST ANYTHING A
% LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT HAD
% HAPPENED, AND HE WAS THE ONE WHO
% FOUND THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND GOT
% IN TOUCH WITH THEM, AND WE
% REALLY WERE TRYING TO CONVINCE
% THEM TO TALK WITH US ABOUT WHAT
% THEY KNEW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
% JUST SO THE PUBLIC COULD KNOW
% ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THIS
% SHOOTING, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS
% REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN POLICE
% SHOOT SOMEONE FOR THE PUBLIC,
% THE TAXPAYERS, TO KNOW WHAT
% HAPPENED AND WHY.
% >> WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU ABOUT
% THIS CASE?
% >> I THINK JUST -- WHAT HAS
% STOOD OUT TO ME IS JUST KIND OF
% HOW FRUSTRATED HIS FAMILY IS AND
% HOW WHEN I TALKED WITH THEM OVER
% THE WEEKEND, THEY COULDN'T SEE
% WILSON, AND THEY WERE REALLY
% UPSET BY THAT.
% THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW HE WAS
% DOING.
% THEY COULDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM
% HIM.
% HIS -- HE WAS NOT ABLE TO SEE
% HIS LAWYER WHILE HE WAS IN THE
% HOSPITAL.
% WILSON IS IN CUSTODY, SO THAT'S
% PART OF WHY THAT THEY WERE NOT
% ALLOWED INTO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE
% HIM, BUT THEY JUST WERE REALLY
% WORRIED ABOUT HIM AND WANTING
% ANSWERS, AND THE AUTHORITIES
% WERE NOT GIVING THEM MUCH OF
% ANYTHING AT ALL FOR ANSWERS.
% MAINE MORRIS, WILSON'S YOUNGER
% BROTHER, WAS JUST VERY
% EMOTIONAL.
% HE FEELS LIKE POLICE TRIED TO
% KILL HIS BROTHER, AND IT JUST IS
% ANSWERS ON THIS, AND, I GUESS,
% WHAT STICKS OUT TO ME IS THAT
% AUTHORITIES AREN'T GIVING MUCH
% OF THAT AT THIS POINT.
% >> SO WILL THERE BE MORE
% REPORTING ON THIS AS DETAILS
% EMERGE?%>> YEAH.
% FOR SURE.
% AUTHORITIES HAVE SAID TO JUST
% KIND OF -- THE DANE COUNTY
% SHERIFF'S OFFICE SAID YESTERDAY
% THEY ARE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO BE
% PATIENT.
% THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO BE
% RELEASING MORE INFORMATION ON
% THIS.
% WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN THAT WILL
% HAPPEN, BUT I DO TRUST THAT THEY
% ARE GOING TO LET US KNOW MORE
% ABOUT WHY THEY WERE AFTER
% WILSON, WHY THIS ARREST WAS SO
% AGGRESSIVE, AND WE SHOULD HEAR
% ABOUT THAT -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN,
% BUT WE SHOULD HEAR ABOUT IT.
% >> WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOUR
% REPORTING AND YOUR COLLEAGUE,
% CHRIS RICKER, AND WE'LL BE
% FOLLOWING AS MORE OF THOSE
% DETAILS ARE REPORTED.
% EMILY HAMER FROM THE "WISCONSIN
% STATE JOURNAL," THANK YOU SO%
MUCH.% >> YEAH.
% THANK YOU.
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