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production Menasha.
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incredibly difficult right
now. There's so much loss

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in this moment.
>> Tornadoes and severe

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weather devastate
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>> Now, while they be

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suspending this campaign,
I'll never give up my fight

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for Wisconsin.
>> And the hits keep coming

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in the Democratic primary
race for governor as a

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leading candidate suddenly
drops out. I'm Frederica

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Freyberg. Tonight on here.
And now we dig into the

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latest with the Democratic
candidates for governor and

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the abrupt departure from a
leading candidate. The

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mayor of Menasha is with us
on how his area is coping

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after devastating storms.
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Murv Seymour reports from
ground Zero, where Corey

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Ruiz was killed by a police
officer, and the community

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is building support and
election officials go head

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to head with prediction
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It's "Here& Now" for July

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31st.
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>> Bombshell news in the

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Democratic primary for
governor. Former Lieutenant

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Governor Mandela Barnes
dropped out of the race

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yesterday. Here to unpack
the news. U.A.W. La Crosse

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Professor of Political
Science Anthony Chergosky.

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And thanks very much for
being here. Thank you. So

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first of all, what's your
reaction?

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>> Just another plot twist
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for months and months, Fred,
there wasn't much happening

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in the Democratic primary.
Not a lot of activity, not

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a lot of voter attention.
And now in the month of

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July, everything has
happened all at once. And

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so it's just been a flurry
of fast moving political

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developments all leading up
to that key primary

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election.
Barnes was polling second

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to Francesca Hong and had
solid name recognition from

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his run for Senate against
Ron Johnson. What is afoot

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here?
>> Yeah. I mean, he did

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have excellent name
recognition coming into the

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campaign. He had a national
donor base that he could

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draw on. But ultimately, it
seemed like he just wasn't

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able to catch up to Hong.
It's worth noting, Fred,

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that during the debate this
week, he did not directly

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go after Hong. He did not
go negative on Hong. If

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anything, Barnes was more
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than he was the front
runner. To me, it

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symbolized how Barnes just
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this campaign. I think he
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general election mode,
really focusing on Tom

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Tiffany more than his
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that might have been a
misstep because while he

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was trying to portray a
sense of inevitability

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around his nomination,
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building a lead.
>> But if Barnes dropping

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out had anything to do with
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reporting about him using
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basically get dates, though
nothing criminal reported

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there, he would have known
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but he must have considered
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>> Yeah, it's one of the
mysteries of this campaign.

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Like, why did this come out
now? Not to mention, Fred,

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why did this not come out
during the 2022 U.S. Senate

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race? I mean, Barnes's
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he could be electable this
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the bad stuff was out on
the table. The 2022 U.S.

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Senate campaign was a
brutal, negative campaign

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that had revealed all of
the bad stuff, and so there

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would be nothing new this
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wasn't true. And so it just
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justifications for his
candidacy and one of the

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arguments he made in favor
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>> And yet. And yet what's
being reported and was

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reportedly kind of
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Democratic Party, it seems
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>> You know, it really
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what his future might hold
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Party, like how people
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to view this report, what
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Sentinel, the investigation
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party, what his future
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report, plus his two
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office.
>> So Barnes dropping out,

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where does it leave the
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including Evers, endorsed
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David Crowley.
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Crowley, the question is,
if he can get some of those

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Barnes supporters and if he
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Francesca Hong because the
clock is ticking and poll

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after poll shows that Hong
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can see signs that Hong is
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the general election. She
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fine. I was stunned that
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opponents go after her
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her team was elated that
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unscathed, because I
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and best opportunity for
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the campaign. So I was
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fireworks and all these
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and that just didn't happen.
So she's comfortably the

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frontrunner. But like you
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behind Crowley. He had the
endorsement earlier. He's

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raising money for Crowley.
He's getting out on the

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trail. So it remains to be
seen if Crowley can make a

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last ditch effort to catch
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>> Meanwhile, Republicans
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Tiffany have got to be
loving this because even

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Democrats say this is full
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>> Oh, it absolutely is.
And Tom Tiffany has been

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running a very positive
biographical style campaign

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trying to develop his
political brand outside of

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his congressional district.
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Tiffany are now also
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general election mode,
gearing up for a race

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against Francesca Hong.
>> And what a race it will

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be. Anthony Chergosky,
thanks very much.

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>> Thank you.
>> This week's Inside

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Wisconsin politics took up
Barnes, dropping out this

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week's candidate debate and
also new poll results that

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helped inform Mandela
Barnes decision to suspend

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his campaign. Here's NPR's
Shawn Johnson, Anya van

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Wagtendonk, and "Here& Now"
reporter Zac Schultz.

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>> His departure kind of
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ways, where it was, where
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growing consensus out there
that this is Francesca Hong

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race to lose. She is a
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is sort of defined this
campaign. Anya, you've

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covered her campaign. You
profiled her for Wisconsin

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Public Radio. How is she
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politics to primary voters
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critics as this primary
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>> Yeah, I think she's been
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throughout this campaign,
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political career. I think a
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the debate stage was her
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that, perhaps for a more
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she is this kind of runaway
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saw some criticism actually
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on social media who were
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she's not socialist enough,
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that there is going to be a
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attack from Republicans
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statements based on calling
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based on aligning with
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far left, more like
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figures that that gives
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clip, which can really kind
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more kind of nuanced
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saw her on the debate stage,
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these more bitable,
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approaching her politics.
>> Zac, we had a couple

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polls out this week. They
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with at least a 20 point
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showed Mandela Barnes.
Marquette showed Mandela

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Barnes in second, David
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But in the Marquette poll,
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voters still undecided. Now
Mandela Barnes is out of

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the race. You got all those
undecided voters. David

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Crowley is still there.
Could this race shake up

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and change in the closing
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>> Well, every time we say
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does get shaken up by
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probably could have
the question is, is there

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enough room for anyone to
gain enough ground to catch

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the lead that Francesca
Hong looks like she has?

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Just talking about those
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been cast, they're not
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question will be, once this
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margin of votes that
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Rodriguez received add up
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second place person took?
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difference in some spoiling
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interesting math to see,
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winner.
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Inside Wisconsin Politics
is available wherever you

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get your podcasts. A
devastating EF3 tornado

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with winds up to 140mph hit
the Appleton area on Monday.

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It leaves people without
power under boil water

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advisories, curfews and
pleas to shelter in place

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to keep roads clear. People
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donations pour in. All as
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the pieces of their homes
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Governor Tony Evers
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emergency and activated the
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every available resource is
deployed in response. The

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city of Menasha took a
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as it moved south from
Appleton. Menasha Mayor

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Austin Hammond joins us now.
Mayor, thanks very much for

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>> How are you and your
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There is a huge influx of

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helping hands over the last
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great volunteer operation
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U.A.W. Fox Cities campus.
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running that. And yesterday
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volunteers, which has been
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blessed by neighboring
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help us neighboring utility
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from the storm is
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People have lost their
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lost their businesses,
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power out. Our water plants
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on the city of Neenah to
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are under a water boil
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been a difficult and
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for folks here in the city
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resilient and, are making
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the most darkest and
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are choosing to look out
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ways to lift each other up.
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sector, faith communities
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our community. So it's
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incredible to see people
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really difficult moment.
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much damage has happened
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>> So despite this enormous
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surprising is it that no
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>> I mean, it's it's a
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remarkable. I think some of
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then I think notifications

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that were given to give
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storm to get into safe
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of it. But it really is a
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this point in time. There's
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week's end here of
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cleanup?
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of Menasha, we have Menasha
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company. And they have been
restoring a great amount of

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power throughout our
community. So, near our

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downtown and the furthest
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going to take quite a while
yet for restoration of

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power to be done
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entire city. But they're
making tremendous progress

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working very quick. So,
that has been very, very

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encouraging to see. And
then right now we're in

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operation of clearing
debris throughout the city

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of Menasha. So we've
contracted contractors to

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come in and help our
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that debris. And National
Guard are here today, and

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they're going to start with
traffic control and things

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like that to help us go and
more specific sections of

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our community so those
contractors can do that

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important work, to remove
the debris. So we're, we're

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actively getting as much of
the debris out as possible.

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Utilities are working
tirelessly to get power

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back on. And in addition to
our first responders, law

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enforcement have just been
doing an incredible job,

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making sure people are
taken care of and provided

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for. And it's just been a
ton of volunteer efforts to

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make sure that we're
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cooling shelters, places to
recharge their phone, have

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a meal, have water. And
it's just all hands on deck

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and really collectively
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community is provided for.
>> What does your community

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need most now?
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right now needs most. I
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be able to have the
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work done that is so needed
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I would just put an ask out
that people are not coming

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to gawk while people are in
some of the darkest moments

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of their life trying to
clean up their home, clean

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up the debris, when people
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our streets, it's making it
difficult for the work that

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needs to be done to be done
effectively. So if you're

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coming to Menasha to be a
helping hand, please go

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visit volunteer Fox Cities
website. And it has all of

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the volunteer opportunities
there. Based out of the old

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UW Fox Cities campus off of
midway. We would love to

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have you come volunteer.
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collaboration and
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news and look at pictures.
That way of what has been

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happening in our community.
But right now, I would just

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say we really need the
ability to let the work be

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done that needs to be done,
whether it's our volunteers

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doing incredible work, the
National Guard, our

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emergency management, first
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Public Works utility
company, the contracted

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work, the sooner all of
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efficiently without
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this process.
>> All right, Mayor Austin

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Hammond, thanks very much
and really good luck to you.

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>> Thank you very much for
having me.

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>> It continues to be a
tough week for a Madison

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community and the city's
police department. After a

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deadly police shooting in a
neighborhood where it has

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happened before, some
public events are on hold

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and parts of one community
remain shut down "Here&

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Now". Reporter Murv Seymour
takes us to the front line

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with details.
>> We are going to scream

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his name, justice for,
justice for.

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>> For more than a week and
counting, echoes of anger

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and frustration continue to
ring out in and around the

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East Side neighborhood,
where Corey Ruiz was shot

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and killed during a scuffle
with four Madison police

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officers.
>> This is not a time to be

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uncouth. This is a time to
come together and be

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neighbors.
>> The high profile

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shooting is in the early
phases of being

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investigated by the state
Department of Justice,

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overseen by Attorney
General Josh Kaul.

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>> It started as just
someone came and painted on

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the road, and flowers and
candles were placed there.

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And then it eventually
started to grow.

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>> This 12 foot tall
traveling monument

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represents outrage and
solidarity against police

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brutality. First set up in
Minneapolis after George

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Floyd was murdered by
Minneapolis police officer,

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the raised fist now sits in
the center of the street at

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a popular intersection in
Madison. It's the very spot

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where Corey Ruiz deadly
encounter with police was

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caught on cell phone video,
sparking national attention,

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outrage and the nation's
most known civil rights

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attorney, Benjamin Crump,
to come to Madison to

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represent the family.
>> I love this city and I

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love these people. And this
is this is awful.

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>> Natalie Love Church
lights, candles, others

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bring cards, some place
flowers. Most everyone

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takes a moment to pause and
process what's happening

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here. Natalie tells me
she's come to pay her

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respects and to demand
accountability.

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>> Justice looks like
there's a system that's in

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place, a justice system in
place. And this was not it.

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Accountability needs to be
taken and justice for this

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poor person. I don't care
if he was guilty as hell. I

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don't care if this was not
it. This was not justice.

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>> What started out as a
memorial has morphed into a

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movement to help those who
are a lot like Corey Ruiz,

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unhoused and in need of
mental health and social

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services support, Jazzman
Brown tells me. At last

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count, nearly 50 tents have
been provided, allowing

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some to camp out on the
streets. A temporary fix to

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a complex housing problem,
a touch of comfort and hope

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to a community that needs
it now more than ever.

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>> We all know that he was
homeless and that he had

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his struggles. And how
could we not, you know, in

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the place where he was
killed, in the neighborhood

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where homelessness is so
high, help those that, you

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know, were in the exact
same situation he was. So

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we've built a space for
everyone.

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>> One of the lead
organizers of this space,

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Lorien Carter, says if
there's one thing this

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memorial represents, it's
hope.

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>> This is affecting all of
us. This is something

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that's in your backyard and
a proximity to to whiteness

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doesn't equal immunity.
We've seen it in real time

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now. And so I think that, I
think that the country has

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to acknowledge that there
is a race problem.

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>> She and others want the
police officer to be

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charged with murder, which
will ultimately be the

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decision of the Dane County
District attorney once the

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DOJ completes its
investigation.

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>> Please stop telling us
to heal. When you keep

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reopening the same wounds.
>> The police shooting of

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Corey Ruiz opens old wounds
for Laurean and others.

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Just over ten years ago,
just a few blocks from here,

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a Madison police officer
shot and killed unarmed

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nephew Tony Robinson.
>> Yeah, but I have a right

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to be here. Just like you
do, man.

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>> But you have a right to
peacefully protest

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somewhere else. Though this
is not this place is not

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for that.
>> The sense of peace here

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was briefly interrupted
over Mike Weber's right to

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support the Madison Police
Department. Weber tells me

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he also wants
accountability.

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way or the other. You know,
if when the results of the

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investigation come in, I
might change my mind. I

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don't know, but but I want
to see people be cool until

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that happens.
>> What do we want? Justice.

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When do we want it? Now.
What do we want?

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>> For the second time in
just over a week,

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protesters marched to the
state Capitol, taking their

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battle to the heart of
Madison.

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>> This is about how Black
people have been treated by

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this country and by this
state.

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>> Where they continue to
interrupt daily routines

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with a loud and clear
message. Back at the Corey

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Ruiz Memorial, this small
section of community works

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to get back to normal,
what's normal, and just how

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long it takes to get there
is anybody's guess.

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Reporting from Madison. I'm
Murv Seymour for here and

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Now.
>> Prediction betting

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markets draw billions in
wagers on everything from

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World Cup outcomes to now
elections. Kalshi, which

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describes itself as the
next generation financial

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exchange, this month
launched a midterms hub

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designed, they say, as the
one stop shop for state and

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federal election
forecasting and betting.

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Not so fast, says the
Wisconsin Elections

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Commission. Commissioner
Ann Jacobs is here, and

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thanks for being here.
>> Happy to be here.

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>> So the commission
recently put out some

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guidance to voters about
betting on the outcomes of

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elections. What did that
say?

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>> The guidance we sent out
to voters basically

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summarized what has been
Wisconsin law since about

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1849, which is you cannot
bet on an election and vote

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in that election.
>> So what are the

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penalties for putting a
wager on an election?

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>> There's two sort of
penalties for it. Number

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one is someone could
challenge your ballot and

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have it not count. And the
second one, which is far

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more draconian, is it is
actually a class I felony

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to bet and vote in the same
election.

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>> How would anyone find
out whether you had done

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that or not?
>> I get asked that

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question quite a bit, and
the answer is the same way

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crimes are reported to
authorities, of all types a,

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a spurned spouse or
boyfriend girlfriend, a

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disgruntled employee, an
agitated neighbor, someone

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who you promised to share
the money with and then

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didn't share the bet
results with. That's how

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these sort of things are
reported.

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>> How could betting on the
outcome warp the process,

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even tip the outcome?
>> There's a few ways it

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could. I mean, one of which
is sort of on the very

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personal level, you are no
longer voting for the

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person you think would be
best in the position you're

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now voting for someone who
can line your pockets. And

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that's a corruption of, of
the process on a very

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individual level. In theory,
you could have people

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within a, a campaign go out
to place bets to try to

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tilt the prediction markets
to create, a false sense of

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momentum or antipathy
towards a given candidate.

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So it could be an attempt
to manipulate it at a much

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larger level.
>> What about the argument

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that wagering on an
election actually gets

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people who wouldn't
ordinarily be interested in

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voting involved in the
process?

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>> I find that so odd. We
want them to come into the

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process to vote, not for
the person that they think

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is going to be best, but to
try to make money. That's

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sort of a warped view of
elections. We want people

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to vote. I want people to
vote. I hope everyone goes

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out and votes on August
11th, but I want you to go

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out and vote because you
believe that is going to be

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the best person for the job
at hand.

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>> What is your reaction to
Kalshi new midterms hub?

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>> I, you know, apparently
there is great enthusiasm

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for this, as I accidentally
learned by posting on

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social media about this law
and people take it quite

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seriously. I don't have any
opinion one way or another

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about prediction markets,
whether they're good or bad,

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legal or not. All I care
about is I don't want

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people to accidentally
commit a felony by voting

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and betting. You can vote.
You can bet you just can't

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do both.
>> Does this put the

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Wisconsin Elections
Commission squarely into a

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fight with a very, very
moneyed interest?

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>> I hope not, because
we're one of something like

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35 states that have this
same law. The policy behind

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the law is sound and has
been that case for 100 and

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however many years it's
been. So we really need to

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think about whether or not
we want our elections to be

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governed by money making or
by efficacy in government.

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>> On another matter, what
is your reaction to this

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week's court ruling that
upholds WECA guidance that

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you opposed, saying early
absentee voters can't get a

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do over even if their
candidate dropped out? Now,

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that's with nearly 130,000
early ballots cast and

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another candidate this week
dropping out.

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>> I was obviously very
disappointed in the outcome.

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I have been on the
commission since 2016. It

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was our guidance, at all
times until a court put it

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on hold. And now we've
issued this new guidance

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for the very first time
without alerting voters. It

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was coming. And I was very
disappointed in that

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outcome.
>> All right. We leave it

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there. Commissioner Ann
Jacobs, thanks so much.

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>> Pleasure.
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tonight. I'm Frederica
Freyberg. Have a good

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