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>> Both candidates for
governor were interviewed

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just before the U.S.
Supreme Court blocked the

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Trump administration's mail
in ballot plan. Here's

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Zach's interview with
Democratic candidate

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Milwaukee County Executive
David Crowley.

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>> David Crowley, thanks
for your time.

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>> Thank you for having me.
Glad to be here.

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>> So immediately after the
primary, it seemed like a

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lot of the commercials, the
attack ads against you were

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going to focus on data
centers. But recently

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there's been a shift to
affordability or taxes or

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crime. Do you think that's
going to be the new

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standard line that this
campaign is going to be

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waged on?
>> Affordability? Is the

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number one issue that you
hear. No matter where

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you're going, whether
you're talking housing,

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whether you're talking
childcare, health care, you

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name it, families are
getting squeezed in every

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single direction. And the
problem is that even if

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they are making more money,
they're getting less

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because so much is so much
more expensive nowadays.

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And so our plan is the
Badger plan to make sure

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that we can lower costs for
our working families and

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give them better access to
childcare and health care,

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which is a stark contrast
when it comes down to

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Congressman Tom Tiffany,
who voted for the

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Canadian tariffs that
are ravaging communities.

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Our farmers and
manufacturers all across

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Wisconsin.
>> So when you see Tom,

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Tiffany and his allies
going after you.

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>> On crime or kids running
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is that just the same old,
same old, or what's your

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reaction to that?
>> Well, I don't trust Tom

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Tiffany when it comes down
to public safety. I mean,

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we're talking about
somebody who who voted

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against releasing the
Epstein files, who voted

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six times to defund police
here in the state of

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Wisconsin and quite frankly,
he praised the January 6th

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ers when they were being
pardoned, with some of them

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actually being charged with
child molestation and

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things of that nature. You
know, when it comes down to

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my the way that I govern,
this is about making sure

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that we're protecting
everybody throughout the

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state of Wisconsin. And
I've done it as a county

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executive. We've increased
costs for our public safety,

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for our courts, and to make
sure we're investing

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upstream to stop crime from
occurring in the first

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place.
>> Republicans have made a

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history of attacking
Milwaukee in elections when

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it's necessary. It's
interesting to contrast you

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with the last governor from
Milwaukee County, Scott

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Walker. How would you
compare and contrast your

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record with his as county
exec and what you might do

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as governor?
>> Well, you know, they

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know me as the recycle man
back home because we've

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picked up every single
candidate they've kicked

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down the road for so long.
And quite frankly, I've had

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to work with the
Republicans and Democrats

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in the state legislature to,
to clean up Scott Walker's

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mess. And, you know, I want
to make sure that we can do

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the exact same thing. When
I become governor of this

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great state. We're stealing
dignity and respect to our

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teachers who work in our
public schools each and

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every single day, making
sure we're investing in

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childcare to make sure our
children are getting a

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better foundation of
learning before they enter

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into our public school
system, and just making

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sure that we can coalesce,
bring people to the table.

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When it comes down to the
policies that we need here

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in the state of Wisconsin.
>> When it comes to the

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topic of affordability,
there's different

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definitions of what's
affordability when between

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Republicans and Democrats,
Republicans like Tom

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Tiffany want to talk about
property taxes or income

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taxes. Democrats are
talking more about spending

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and tariff impacted
consumer pricing. Which do

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you think voters will
relate to more?

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>> Look, I'm a husband and
a father raising three

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amazing girls, and I grew
up in a working class

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household. So I know
exactly what working

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families are going through
right now, struggling to

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keep a roof over their head
because their property

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taxes or the rents continue
to rise. We've seen many

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people lose their health
care, mostly because, you

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know, Congressman Tom
Tiffany voted for the big

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ugly bill, which cut $1
trillion from Medicaid,

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Medicare and reduced
subsidies for the

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Affordable Care Act.
>> In January of this year.

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Tom Tiffany stood in front
of a gas station and had a

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tweet about how low gas
prices were. How does that

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tweet hold up today and how
does that impact this race?

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>> Well, I think that that
that treat didn't get

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didn't age very well
because we are now seeing

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some of the largest
increases in, in gas today.

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And that's why I have a
plan to actually eliminate

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the minimum markup law that
we have on gas, which is

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increasing the prices for
consumers each and every

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single day. And the thing
about this, this gas tax is

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that it's not supporting,
you know, our small

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businesses or filling the
potholes. This is just

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guaranteed profit for big
oil. And I know it's a

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popular thing because even
Congressman Tom Tiffany

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stole my idea. And this is
leading people to think

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that it is his look. At the
end of the day, we have to

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make sure that we're
lowering our costs. And if

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Tom Tiffany wants to stand
up, he needs to stand up to

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Donald Trump again. This is
largely a result due to the

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war in Iran. And Tom
Tiffany has voted to

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protect this war, protect
those tariffs, and we

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need him to to act. We need
him to answer as to why he

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isn't fighting for
Wisconsinites.

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>> One of the attacks that
Tiffany campaign is using

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now has to do with tablets
being given to inmates in

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Milwaukee County. Explain
that program and why you

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authorized its use again.
>> Well, this is a program

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that we implemented not too
long ago, and this is

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something that we take
seriously. And we've been

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working with our sheriff's
department as well. But,

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you know, utilizing these
tablets is actually a best

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practice. They're used in
48 out of 50 states. And

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you know what's unfortunate
and what Tom Tiffany

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omitted is that the fact
that he actually voted for

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these types of iPads here
in the Department of

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Correction during the Scott
Walker era. He also

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admitted about the fact
that Donald Trump and his

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administration are
utilizing this same exact

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program. And they just
started it this year. Right.

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And so we know that we need
to have the processes and

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the procedures in place.
But, you know, Congressman

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Tom Tiffany, he wants to
continue to divide and

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distract when it comes down
to public safety. You can't

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trust them on it because he
he's not willing to give

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you all the information.
>> We're still waiting to

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hear what the U.S. Supreme
Court will do with the

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Postal Service rules that
have been proposed by the

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Trump administration. But
what impact would that have

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on Wisconsin if those went
through? And what advice

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would you give to absentee
voters about how they

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should handle their ballot
this fall?

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>> Look, it is unfortunate
seeing what Donald Trump is

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doing when it comes down to
to mail in voting here in

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the state of Wisconsin, we
have had the same laws on

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the books for decades,
which have allowed people

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to cast their ballot by
mail or to do it in person,

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and we're going to continue
to follow Wisconsin laws.

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But I want to encourage
everybody. 1 if you're

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going to mail in your
ballot, do it early, do it

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quickly, and do it as soon
as possible. And if you

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feel like you're getting
close to that deadline, go

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visit your municipal clerk
and drop that. Drop your

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ballot off at your at your
clerk to make sure that

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your voice is being heard.
And as the governor, it is

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our job to make sure that
we are protecting democracy,

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protecting people's ability
to cast their ballot and to,

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to, to instill dignity.
Right? We have free and

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fair elections here in the
state of Wisconsin, and I'm

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always going to sing and
yell at the mountaintops

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about how I believe in our
election system, but you're

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not going to get that with
Congressman Tom Tiffany. I

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mean, we're talking about
someone who voted against

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certifying the 2020
election for Wisconsin

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voters, someone who's not
willing to stand up and say

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Donald Trump actually lost
the 2020 election, and he's

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not willing to stand up and
say how these laws, these

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policies that Donald Trump
is putting, putting in

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place, how they're going to
hurt many of our rural

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communities. And quite
frankly, they're going to

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hurt not just Democrats,
Republicans, independents

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everywhere across this
state, but our

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administration. We're going
to continue to fight on

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behalf of our communities
to make sure that they can

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cast their ballot, no
matter where they are in

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Wisconsin.
>> When we sat down with

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Tom Tiffany, he did not
want to say the word Trump.

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And throughout our entire
interview, when asked about

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that, he didn't want to use
the president's name. We've

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looked at his website. He
stripped pretty much all

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mentions of the president
away from him. What does

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that say? Why? Why would he
be doing that?

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>> I think he wants to run
away. You know, you know,

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Congressman Tom Tiffany,
he's been the Maga

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extremist and wants to run
away from the fact that he

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has been lockstep with
Trump for the past decade.

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He has been one of the most
conservative members that

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we've had here in the state
of Wisconsin, being a part

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of the Freedom Caucus, but
also not fighting on behalf

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of Wisconsinites.
Congressman Tom Tiffany

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cannot and will not defend
his own actions nor defend

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why he's protected this
president. And that's why

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we need a governor who's
going to stand up, someone

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who's going to bring folks
from all political factions

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to the table to make sure
that they can live healthy

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lives, productive lives,
and put more money and save

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more money in their pockets
as we move forward. And

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that's what you're going to
get in the next governor.

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When I'm elected on
November 3rd.

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>> All right, David Crowley,
thanks for your time.

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>> Thank you. Thank you for
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>> Filling up the gas tank
in your car is increasingly