1 00:00:02,369 --> 00:00:03,470 >> The following program is a PBS Wisconsin Original 2 00:00:03,537 --> 00:00:07,307 a PBS Wisconsin Original production. 3 00:00:07,374 --> 00:00:09,476 >> That's why we need a governor who's going to 4 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:11,712 stand up, someone who's going to bring folks from 5 00:00:11,778 --> 00:00:14,081 all political factions to the table. 6 00:00:14,147 --> 00:00:17,618 >> The test is always what's best for Wisconsin. 7 00:00:17,684 --> 00:00:19,753 And that's what I'm going to do as governor. 8 00:00:19,820 --> 00:00:22,856 >> The candidates for governor share their 9 00:00:22,923 --> 00:00:26,994 positions on the big issues facing voters and fueled by 10 00:00:27,060 --> 00:00:31,532 global events. The price of gas rises again. I'm 11 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:35,969 Frederica Freyberg. Tonight on "Here& Now". Tom Tiffany 12 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:39,206 and David Crowley in extended interviews on 13 00:00:39,273 --> 00:00:43,010 their bid to be the next governor and how the 14 00:00:43,076 --> 00:00:46,246 transportation industry is handling record high diesel 15 00:00:46,313 --> 00:00:46,513 costs. costs. 16 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:47,314 [MUSIC] [MUSIC] 17 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:49,650 It's "Here& Now" for September 18th. 18 00:00:49,716 --> 00:00:51,585 September 18th. [MUSIC] 19 00:00:51,652 --> 00:00:54,087 >> Funding for "Here& Now" is provided by the Focus 20 00:00:54,154 --> 00:00:58,825 Fund for Journalism and Friends of PBS Wisconsin. 21 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:09,536 >> Republican candidate for governor Tom Tiffany, 22 00:01:09,603 --> 00:01:13,941 continues his campaign after he survived with only 23 00:01:14,007 --> 00:01:16,743 stitches. A crashed water landing into Lake Wausau. 24 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:19,980 When the private plane. He was a passenger in lost 25 00:01:20,047 --> 00:01:24,718 power last Saturday. The FAA is investigating. 26 00:01:24,785 --> 00:01:27,287 Senior political reporter Zac Schultz. Tonight brings 27 00:01:27,354 --> 00:01:30,424 you interviews with both candidates running for 28 00:01:30,490 --> 00:01:33,660 governor, starting with current seventh District 29 00:01:33,727 --> 00:01:36,163 Congressman Tiffany. The interview was conducted 30 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:38,699 days before the crash. >> Congresswoman Tiffany, 31 00:01:38,765 --> 00:01:40,267 >> Congresswoman Tiffany, thanks for joining us. 32 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:42,803 >> Good to join you, Zac. >> So immediately after the 33 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:44,905 primary, a lot of the attention on the race 34 00:01:44,972 --> 00:01:47,708 seemed to be focused on data centers. But in the 35 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:50,010 last few weeks, it seems like it's shifted to 36 00:01:50,077 --> 00:01:52,079 traditional topics of taxes and spending and crime. Do 37 00:01:52,145 --> 00:01:54,882 you think that will be the standard issue that this 38 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:57,451 election is decided on? >> Yeah, I think it's those 39 00:01:57,518 --> 00:01:59,520 quality of life issues. I mean, when we talk about 40 00:01:59,586 --> 00:02:00,621 all the time is affordability, 41 00:02:00,687 --> 00:02:01,955 affordability, accountability and common 42 00:02:02,022 --> 00:02:04,324 sense. And that's the message that we're 43 00:02:04,391 --> 00:02:06,927 delivering out there. But it is very much economic. 44 00:02:06,994 --> 00:02:09,663 It's kitchen table issues. I mean, people see their 45 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:11,765 budgets. They're they're really stretched thin at 46 00:02:11,832 --> 00:02:15,435 this point. And that's their concern. And I hear 47 00:02:15,502 --> 00:02:17,838 it from all the people that are out knocking doors for 48 00:02:17,905 --> 00:02:21,008 us. They're like, it's economic kitchen table 49 00:02:21,074 --> 00:02:22,609 issues. What people are talking about. 50 00:02:22,676 --> 00:02:24,745 >> Now there's two different definitions of 51 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:27,147 affordability that the parties have. Obviously, 52 00:02:27,214 --> 00:02:29,883 you're talking about taxing and spending and the budget 53 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:33,453 and Democrats are talking about national tariffs and 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,890 rising prices or gas prices. Which do you think impacts 55 00:02:36,957 --> 00:02:38,792 people more? >> Well, I think they both 56 00:02:38,859 --> 00:02:42,296 do. And, you know, gas prices are too high. And, 57 00:02:42,362 --> 00:02:45,332 you know, those are largely set on world markets. The 58 00:02:45,399 --> 00:02:47,201 thing that I've been focused on is what can I do 59 00:02:47,267 --> 00:02:50,470 as governor? Because you can flail on issues that 60 00:02:50,537 --> 00:02:52,806 you don't have a impact on. I think it's very important 61 00:02:52,873 --> 00:02:55,709 to have a governor that is going to be focused on the 62 00:02:55,776 --> 00:02:58,545 issues that you can help people out with. And so if 63 00:02:58,612 --> 00:03:00,747 we're going to put more money in people's pockets, 64 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:02,749 that's why I've been talking about let's reduce 65 00:03:02,816 --> 00:03:05,452 taxes and the 400 year property tax increase, the 66 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:08,088 $3 billion budget surplus that we have, we should 67 00:03:08,155 --> 00:03:10,958 return every penny of it to the taxpayers so they have 68 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:13,760 more money in their pockets. We're going to do a 10% 69 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:17,331 income tax cut for those making $150,000 and less, 70 00:03:17,397 --> 00:03:20,000 and no taxes on tips and overtime, just like we did 71 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:21,368 federally. >> Earlier this year. You 72 00:03:21,435 --> 00:03:24,271 had a tweet where you're in front of the gas station, 73 00:03:24,338 --> 00:03:26,173 pumps and promises made, promises kept. Obviously, 74 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,108 prices have gone up significantly since then. 75 00:03:28,175 --> 00:03:30,878 Do you regret that tweet or is it just outside of your 76 00:03:30,944 --> 00:03:31,478 ability to control? ability to control? 77 00:03:31,545 --> 00:03:34,081 >> You know, it's outside of our control. And you 78 00:03:34,147 --> 00:03:37,117 know, at that time, boy, what was it like 235 or 79 00:03:37,184 --> 00:03:39,286 something like that. So gas prices had gone down. They 80 00:03:39,353 --> 00:03:42,155 went up as a result of the instability in the Middle 81 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:46,927 East and Iran. And with the Revolutionary Guard 82 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:49,563 plinking a ship every now and then in the Straits of 83 00:03:49,630 --> 00:03:52,900 Hormuz to keep gas prices up. And so it's really 84 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:56,770 important that we have more energy that is being 85 00:03:56,837 --> 00:03:58,939 produced. And that's the thing that I've been 86 00:03:59,006 --> 00:04:01,842 focused on, both state and federally, is we have to be 87 00:04:01,909 --> 00:04:04,178 energy independent here in America. So what can a 88 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:07,548 governor do? A governor can deal with the energy issue 89 00:04:07,614 --> 00:04:11,318 in regards to our utilities. We've seen over $2 billion 90 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:14,655 of increases in utility rates here over the last 91 00:04:14,721 --> 00:04:16,723 eight years. The Public Service Commission here in 92 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:19,626 Wisconsin has just acted as a rubber stamp for the 93 00:04:19,693 --> 00:04:22,663 utility rate increases. I will not do that, and we 94 00:04:22,729 --> 00:04:26,099 can help make life more affordable for 95 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:30,137 Wisconsinites by not raising those utility rates 96 00:04:30,204 --> 00:04:32,573 and getting back to keeping our base load sources of 97 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:34,808 power. And I think it's time to embrace the new 98 00:04:34,875 --> 00:04:36,877 nuclear technologies. >> Democrats would point to 99 00:04:36,944 --> 00:04:40,180 your role in Congress as oversight, oversight, and 100 00:04:40,247 --> 00:04:42,649 control of the budget over Donald Trump and tariffs 101 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:45,619 and, you know, initiating the war in Iran. What do 102 00:04:45,686 --> 00:04:48,288 you have to say to respond about your role in Congress 103 00:04:48,355 --> 00:04:51,425 in that in that area? >> Yeah. So, you know, if 104 00:04:51,491 --> 00:04:55,262 you take a look at the bill that we passed last year, 105 00:04:55,329 --> 00:04:58,065 no taxes on tips and overtime, as well as Social 106 00:04:58,131 --> 00:05:01,068 Security taxes, we eliminated them for almost 107 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:03,937 everyone that's on Social Security. We've put more 108 00:05:04,004 --> 00:05:07,074 money into people's pockets. I would also say that by 109 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:10,377 securing the border, hopefully we're going to 110 00:05:10,444 --> 00:05:13,313 see the price of housing come down in some places. 111 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,949 Because remember when 10 million people came in over 112 00:05:16,016 --> 00:05:19,486 the four years of President Biden that that drove up 113 00:05:19,553 --> 00:05:23,757 the cost of housing because they had to live somewhere. 114 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:27,394 So those things are really important that that we deal 115 00:05:27,461 --> 00:05:30,864 with them. But I'm focused now on what I can do as 116 00:05:30,931 --> 00:05:34,701 governor, and that is reducing costs for 117 00:05:34,768 --> 00:05:36,203 Wisconsinites. >> One of the issues your 118 00:05:36,270 --> 00:05:38,138 campaign has brought up about David Crawley's 119 00:05:38,205 --> 00:05:40,274 record as Milwaukee County executive has to do with 120 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:43,677 crime, but crime statistics nationwide and Wisconsin 121 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:46,413 are down. Is Milwaukee County a much different 122 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,116 place than it was when, say, Scott Walker was county 123 00:05:49,183 --> 00:05:51,218 executive? >> So you look at the last 124 00:05:51,285 --> 00:05:53,520 year and a half, violent crime has went down 125 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:55,722 significantly here in America. I mean, I think 126 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:58,659 about Washington, DC, having spent some time out 127 00:05:58,725 --> 00:06:02,563 there serving in Congress. The streets are much safer. 128 00:06:02,629 --> 00:06:05,165 And that's because of the actions that have been 129 00:06:05,232 --> 00:06:07,668 taken by the administration to make sure that they're 130 00:06:07,734 --> 00:06:11,839 safe. And to me, it sends a clear message we've 131 00:06:11,905 --> 00:06:15,008 accepted crime here in America and in Wisconsin 132 00:06:15,075 --> 00:06:18,745 over the last few decades, I believe. And we don't 133 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:21,081 need to accept these high crime levels as we're 134 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:23,851 seeing them come down now. And that's what I'll do as 135 00:06:23,917 --> 00:06:26,453 governor. We're not going to accept crime. We're not 136 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,856 going to take the side like David Crowley. My opponent 137 00:06:28,922 --> 00:06:32,159 does, of the perpetrators of crime. We're going to 138 00:06:32,226 --> 00:06:34,995 look out for the victims of crime. Let's make sure that 139 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:37,798 we have safe streets in Wisconsin. That means 140 00:06:37,865 --> 00:06:40,334 prosecutors need to prosecute. And that means 141 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,537 no sanctuary cities. We need to make sure that 142 00:06:43,604 --> 00:06:45,906 Wisconsin is a safe place for people to live. 143 00:06:45,973 --> 00:06:48,342 >> How much responsibility should the chief executive, 144 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:51,778 either a county or a state, take when it comes to 145 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:54,848 individual actions committed by individuals? 146 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:58,819 >> Well, if you listen to Judge Borowski last week in 147 00:06:58,886 --> 00:07:01,822 Milwaukee County, he talked about how it's preposterous 148 00:07:01,889 --> 00:07:05,325 that this happened, that a violent criminal was able 149 00:07:05,392 --> 00:07:09,229 to reach out to his victim and communicate with him 150 00:07:09,296 --> 00:07:12,766 1500 times via the tablet he was given by Milwaukee 151 00:07:12,833 --> 00:07:17,171 County that was signed off in 2022 by David Crowley 152 00:07:17,237 --> 00:07:21,508 that they get a free tablet. He renewed that once again 153 00:07:21,575 --> 00:07:25,412 in 2025, including after what we found out in May of 154 00:07:25,479 --> 00:07:28,248 this year, that there were violent criminals reaching 155 00:07:28,315 --> 00:07:32,553 out to their victims and messaging them 1500 times, 156 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:34,488 that should have been the warning signal to the 157 00:07:34,555 --> 00:07:37,524 county executive. We got to take another look at that. 158 00:07:37,591 --> 00:07:39,860 What happens in the meantime? Now we find out a 159 00:07:39,927 --> 00:07:44,498 triple murderer is trying to intimidate witnesses. So 160 00:07:44,565 --> 00:07:47,734 a county executive or the governor has a great deal 161 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:50,637 to do with safety. And I think the big thing that 162 00:07:50,704 --> 00:07:53,140 the governor can do in Wisconsin is set the 163 00:07:53,207 --> 00:07:55,642 message that we're going to back up law enforcement. 164 00:07:55,709 --> 00:07:57,845 We're going to support them. We're going to make sure 165 00:07:57,911 --> 00:07:59,980 that we have safe streets here in Wisconsin. 166 00:08:00,047 --> 00:08:02,082 >> Would you invite Donald Trump to campaign in 167 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:04,518 Wisconsin? Do you think you need him to burst, boost 168 00:08:04,585 --> 00:08:05,686 turnout in some of those areas? 169 00:08:05,752 --> 00:08:07,221 areas? >> I mean, the president's 170 00:08:07,287 --> 00:08:10,023 going to decide where he's going to campaign here in 171 00:08:10,090 --> 00:08:12,860 2026. In the balance of the election, we just go out 172 00:08:12,926 --> 00:08:15,429 and do our job every day. I've got a full schedule 173 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,265 that's been set in place. We're meeting every person 174 00:08:18,332 --> 00:08:21,168 that we can in the state of Wisconsin, and we're 175 00:08:21,235 --> 00:08:24,872 talking about the issues because, I mean, it's much 176 00:08:24,938 --> 00:08:28,075 like my opponent. You hear him talk when he talks 177 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:30,277 about Tom Tiffany. All he talks about is Tom, Tiffany 178 00:08:30,344 --> 00:08:35,249 and Donald Trump. And he's not talking about what do 179 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:38,452 Wisconsinites want? So he can rail against Donald 180 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:41,421 Trump? I'm fighting for Wisconsin, and that's what 181 00:08:41,488 --> 00:08:44,324 I will do. As governor. We're going to make sure we 182 00:08:44,391 --> 00:08:46,994 do the things that are best for the state of Wisconsin. 183 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:49,663 And I've always went about my business that way, 184 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:52,065 whether I was in the state legislature or now in 185 00:08:52,132 --> 00:08:56,537 Congress. The test is always what's best for 186 00:08:56,603 --> 00:08:58,906 Wisconsin, and that's what I'm going to do as governor. 187 00:08:58,972 --> 00:09:01,808 >> The United States Postal Service has absentee 188 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,111 balloting rules that are currently in court and 189 00:09:04,178 --> 00:09:06,213 looks like they're heading for the U.S. Supreme Court. 190 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,782 Would you support those changes going in place even 191 00:09:08,849 --> 00:09:10,617 as absentee ballots are already being sent out in 192 00:09:10,684 --> 00:09:11,418 Wisconsin? Wisconsin? 193 00:09:11,485 --> 00:09:14,288 >> I mean, that's going to be up to the courts. It is 194 00:09:14,354 --> 00:09:17,191 in the courts at this point, and they're going to decide 195 00:09:17,257 --> 00:09:20,060 what role is going to be able to be played there. 196 00:09:20,127 --> 00:09:22,329 All I know is I have confidence in clerks across 197 00:09:22,396 --> 00:09:24,965 the state of Wisconsin. There's hundreds of them, 198 00:09:25,032 --> 00:09:27,768 and I've worked with them in northern Wisconsin. 199 00:09:27,835 --> 00:09:31,371 Regardless of what rules are put before them, they 200 00:09:31,438 --> 00:09:35,642 always go out and do their job and I appreciate the 201 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:37,811 work that they do. >> Do you have complete 202 00:09:37,878 --> 00:09:39,713 confidence that our elections in Wisconsin are 203 00:09:39,780 --> 00:09:41,415 free and fair and legitimate? 204 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:44,685 >> I believe that our elections are going to be 205 00:09:44,751 --> 00:09:47,221 done in that fashion. I mean, it should be easy to 206 00:09:47,287 --> 00:09:50,123 vote, but hard to cheat. Now, there's been a couple 207 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:52,192 instances. You look at Madison, they had the city 208 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:54,428 of Madison had to fire their clerk two years ago 209 00:09:54,494 --> 00:09:57,064 because she failed to count 197 ballots. Green Bay has 210 00:09:57,130 --> 00:09:59,299 had a problem. Two elections in a row with 211 00:09:59,366 --> 00:10:02,703 their clerk. I mean, we have to be vigilant also, 212 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:05,005 but I just know the hundreds of clerks across 213 00:10:05,072 --> 00:10:09,076 the state of Wisconsin. They do the very best job 214 00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:10,577 that they can. >> Congressman Tiffany, 215 00:10:10,644 --> 00:10:11,879 >> Congressman Tiffany, thanks for your time. 216 00:10:11,945 --> 00:10:15,582 >> Good to join you. Zac. >> Both candidates for 217 00:10:15,649 --> 00:10:18,252 governor were interviewed just before the U.S. 218 00:10:18,318 --> 00:10:21,388 Supreme Court blocked the Trump administration's mail 219 00:10:21,455 --> 00:10:24,625 in ballot plan. Here's Zach's interview with 220 00:10:24,691 --> 00:10:26,994 Democratic candidate Milwaukee County Executive 221 00:10:27,060 --> 00:10:29,429 David Crowley. >> David Crowley, thanks 222 00:10:29,496 --> 00:10:31,231 for your time. >> Thank you for having me. 223 00:10:31,298 --> 00:10:34,134 Glad to be here. >> So immediately after the 224 00:10:34,201 --> 00:10:36,370 primary, it seemed like a lot of the commercials, the 225 00:10:36,436 --> 00:10:39,006 attack ads against you were going to focus on data 226 00:10:39,072 --> 00:10:41,241 centers. But recently there's been a shift to 227 00:10:41,308 --> 00:10:43,677 affordability or taxes or crime. Do you think that's 228 00:10:43,744 --> 00:10:46,013 going to be the new standard line that this 229 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:48,448 campaign is going to be waged on? 230 00:10:48,515 --> 00:10:50,384 >> Affordability? Is the number one issue that you 231 00:10:50,450 --> 00:10:52,352 hear. No matter where you're going, whether 232 00:10:52,419 --> 00:10:54,188 you're talking housing, whether you're talking 233 00:10:54,254 --> 00:10:56,723 childcare, health care, you name it, families are 234 00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:59,259 getting squeezed in every single direction. And the 235 00:10:59,326 --> 00:11:01,962 problem is that even if they are making more money, 236 00:11:02,029 --> 00:11:04,965 they're getting less because so much is so much 237 00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:08,235 more expensive nowadays. And so our plan is the 238 00:11:08,302 --> 00:11:10,737 Badger plan to make sure that we can lower costs for 239 00:11:10,804 --> 00:11:13,807 our working families and give them better access to 240 00:11:13,874 --> 00:11:16,109 childcare and health care, which is a stark contrast 241 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:18,011 when it comes down to Congressman Tom Tiffany, 242 00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:20,414 who voted for the Canadian tariffs that 243 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,151 are ravaging communities. Our farmers and 244 00:11:24,218 --> 00:11:26,320 manufacturers all across Wisconsin. 245 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:28,622 >> So when you see Tom, Tiffany and his allies 246 00:11:28,689 --> 00:11:31,692 going after you. >> On crime or kids running 247 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:34,328 around at the state fair, is that just the same old, 248 00:11:34,394 --> 00:11:36,496 same old, or what's your reaction to that? 249 00:11:36,563 --> 00:11:38,632 >> Well, I don't trust Tom Tiffany when it comes down 250 00:11:38,699 --> 00:11:40,334 to public safety. I mean, we're talking about 251 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,668 we're talking about somebody who who voted 252 00:11:41,735 --> 00:11:43,570 against releasing the Epstein files, who voted 253 00:11:43,637 --> 00:11:47,207 six times to defund police here in the state of 254 00:11:47,274 --> 00:11:50,544 Wisconsin and quite frankly, he praised the January 6th 255 00:11:50,611 --> 00:11:53,313 ers when they were being pardoned, with some of them 256 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:56,216 actually being charged with child molestation and 257 00:11:56,283 --> 00:11:59,386 things of that nature. You know, when it comes down to 258 00:11:59,453 --> 00:12:01,655 my the way that I govern, this is about making sure 259 00:12:01,722 --> 00:12:03,390 that we're protecting everybody throughout the 260 00:12:03,457 --> 00:12:06,460 state of Wisconsin. And I've done it as a county 261 00:12:06,527 --> 00:12:09,062 executive. We've increased costs for our public safety, 262 00:12:09,129 --> 00:12:11,598 for our courts, and to make sure we're investing 263 00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:13,500 upstream to stop crime from occurring in the first 264 00:12:13,567 --> 00:12:15,502 place. >> Republicans have made a 265 00:12:15,569 --> 00:12:18,105 history of attacking Milwaukee in elections when 266 00:12:18,172 --> 00:12:20,607 it's necessary. It's interesting to contrast you 267 00:12:20,674 --> 00:12:23,210 with the last governor from Milwaukee County, Scott 268 00:12:23,277 --> 00:12:24,978 Walker. How would you compare and contrast your 269 00:12:25,045 --> 00:12:27,414 record with his as county exec and what you might do 270 00:12:27,481 --> 00:12:29,583 as governor? >> Well, you know, they 271 00:12:29,650 --> 00:12:31,752 know me as the recycle man back home because we've 272 00:12:31,818 --> 00:12:33,754 picked up every single candidate they've kicked 273 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:36,557 down the road for so long. And quite frankly, I've had 274 00:12:36,623 --> 00:12:38,458 to work with the Republicans and Democrats 275 00:12:38,525 --> 00:12:41,562 in the state legislature to, to clean up Scott Walker's 276 00:12:41,628 --> 00:12:44,464 mess. And, you know, I want to make sure that we can do 277 00:12:44,531 --> 00:12:47,434 the exact same thing. When I become governor of this 278 00:12:47,501 --> 00:12:49,736 great state. We're stealing dignity and respect to our 279 00:12:49,803 --> 00:12:51,638 teachers who work in our public schools each and 280 00:12:51,705 --> 00:12:54,775 every single day, making sure we're investing in 281 00:12:54,842 --> 00:12:56,743 childcare to make sure our children are getting a 282 00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:59,379 better foundation of learning before they enter 283 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,815 into our public school system, and just making 284 00:13:01,882 --> 00:13:04,685 sure that we can coalesce, bring people to the table. 285 00:13:04,751 --> 00:13:07,487 When it comes down to the policies that we need here 286 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:09,590 in the state of Wisconsin. >> When it comes to the 287 00:13:09,656 --> 00:13:11,491 topic of affordability, there's different 288 00:13:11,558 --> 00:13:13,794 definitions of what's affordability when between 289 00:13:13,861 --> 00:13:16,029 Republicans and Democrats, Republicans like Tom 290 00:13:16,096 --> 00:13:19,233 Tiffany want to talk about property taxes or income 291 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:21,702 taxes. Democrats are talking more about spending 292 00:13:21,768 --> 00:13:24,471 and tariff impacted consumer pricing. Which do 293 00:13:24,538 --> 00:13:26,540 you think voters will relate to more? 294 00:13:26,607 --> 00:13:29,676 >> Look, I'm a husband and a father raising three 295 00:13:29,743 --> 00:13:31,678 amazing girls, and I grew up in a working class 296 00:13:31,745 --> 00:13:34,047 household. So I know exactly what working 297 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:36,183 families are going through right now, struggling to 298 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:39,086 keep a roof over their head because their property 299 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:42,623 taxes or the rents continue to rise. We've seen many 300 00:13:42,689 --> 00:13:45,259 people lose their health care, mostly because, you 301 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:47,294 know, Congressman Tom Tiffany voted for the big 302 00:13:47,361 --> 00:13:51,098 ugly bill, which cut $1 trillion from Medicaid, 303 00:13:51,164 --> 00:13:53,400 Medicare and reduced subsidies for the 304 00:13:53,467 --> 00:13:55,569 Affordable Care Act. >> In January of this year. 305 00:13:55,636 --> 00:13:58,839 Tom Tiffany stood in front of a gas station and had a 306 00:13:58,906 --> 00:14:02,276 tweet about how low gas prices were. How does that 307 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:05,345 tweet hold up today and how does that impact this race? 308 00:14:05,412 --> 00:14:07,748 >> Well, I think that that that treat didn't get 309 00:14:07,814 --> 00:14:10,284 didn't age very well because we are now seeing 310 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:13,654 some of the largest increases in, in gas today. 311 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,557 And that's why I have a plan to actually eliminate 312 00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:20,093 the minimum markup law that we have on gas, which is 313 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,096 increasing the prices for consumers each and every 314 00:14:23,163 --> 00:14:25,766 single day. And the thing about this, this gas tax is 315 00:14:25,832 --> 00:14:28,769 that it's not supporting, you know, our small 316 00:14:28,836 --> 00:14:30,771 businesses or filling the potholes. This is just 317 00:14:30,838 --> 00:14:34,107 guaranteed profit for big oil. And I know it's a 318 00:14:34,174 --> 00:14:36,043 popular thing because even Congressman Tom Tiffany 319 00:14:36,109 --> 00:14:38,645 stole my idea. And this is leading people to think 320 00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:42,149 that it is his look. At the end of the day, we have to 321 00:14:42,216 --> 00:14:44,351 make sure that we're lowering our costs. And if 322 00:14:44,418 --> 00:14:47,321 Tom Tiffany wants to stand up, he needs to stand up to 323 00:14:47,387 --> 00:14:50,057 Donald Trump again. This is largely a result due to the 324 00:14:50,123 --> 00:14:52,392 war in Iran. And Tom Tiffany has voted to 325 00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:54,728 protect this war, protect those tariffs, and we 326 00:14:54,795 --> 00:14:57,998 need him to to act. We need him to answer as to why he 327 00:14:58,065 --> 00:14:59,666 isn't fighting for Wisconsinites. 328 00:14:59,733 --> 00:15:02,236 >> One of the attacks that Tiffany campaign is using 329 00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:04,771 now has to do with tablets being given to inmates in 330 00:15:04,838 --> 00:15:09,376 Milwaukee County. Explain that program and why you 331 00:15:09,443 --> 00:15:12,279 authorized its use again. >> Well, this is a program 332 00:15:12,346 --> 00:15:15,082 that we implemented not too long ago, and this is 333 00:15:15,148 --> 00:15:17,117 something that we take seriously. And we've been 334 00:15:17,184 --> 00:15:19,520 working with our sheriff's department as well. But, 335 00:15:19,586 --> 00:15:21,922 you know, utilizing these tablets is actually a best 336 00:15:21,989 --> 00:15:24,791 practice. They're used in 48 out of 50 states. And 337 00:15:24,858 --> 00:15:27,327 you know what's unfortunate and what Tom Tiffany 338 00:15:27,394 --> 00:15:30,564 omitted is that the fact that he actually voted for 339 00:15:30,631 --> 00:15:33,800 these types of iPads here in the Department of 340 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:36,036 Correction during the Scott Walker era. He also 341 00:15:36,103 --> 00:15:38,405 admitted about the fact that Donald Trump and his 342 00:15:38,472 --> 00:15:41,074 administration are utilizing this same exact 343 00:15:41,141 --> 00:15:43,644 program. And they just started it this year. Right. 344 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:46,713 And so we know that we need to have the processes and 345 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:49,283 the procedures in place. But, you know, Congressman 346 00:15:49,349 --> 00:15:51,985 Tom Tiffany, he wants to continue to divide and 347 00:15:52,052 --> 00:15:54,354 distract when it comes down to public safety. You can't 348 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:56,957 trust them on it because he he's not willing to give 349 00:15:57,024 --> 00:15:59,026 you all the information. >> We're still waiting to 350 00:15:59,092 --> 00:16:01,895 hear what the U.S. Supreme Court will do with the 351 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:04,064 Postal Service rules that have been proposed by the 352 00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:05,999 Trump administration. But what impact would that have 353 00:16:06,066 --> 00:16:09,069 on Wisconsin if those went through? And what advice 354 00:16:09,136 --> 00:16:12,005 would you give to absentee voters about how they 355 00:16:12,072 --> 00:16:13,874 should handle their ballot this fall? 356 00:16:13,941 --> 00:16:16,443 >> Look, it is unfortunate seeing what Donald Trump is 357 00:16:16,510 --> 00:16:19,346 doing when it comes down to to mail in voting here in 358 00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:22,216 the state of Wisconsin, we have had the same laws on 359 00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:24,751 the books for decades, which have allowed people 360 00:16:24,818 --> 00:16:27,988 to cast their ballot by mail or to do it in person, 361 00:16:28,055 --> 00:16:30,991 and we're going to continue to follow Wisconsin laws. 362 00:16:31,058 --> 00:16:33,160 But I want to encourage everybody. 1 if you're 363 00:16:33,227 --> 00:16:35,796 going to mail in your ballot, do it early, do it 364 00:16:35,863 --> 00:16:38,765 quickly, and do it as soon as possible. And if you 365 00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:40,934 feel like you're getting close to that deadline, go 366 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:44,071 visit your municipal clerk and drop that. Drop your 367 00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:47,140 ballot off at your at your clerk to make sure that 368 00:16:47,207 --> 00:16:50,277 your voice is being heard. And as the governor, it is 369 00:16:50,344 --> 00:16:53,847 our job to make sure that we are protecting democracy, 370 00:16:53,914 --> 00:16:57,751 protecting people's ability to cast their ballot and to, 371 00:16:57,818 --> 00:17:01,054 to, to instill dignity. Right? We have free and 372 00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:03,690 fair elections here in the state of Wisconsin, and I'm 373 00:17:03,757 --> 00:17:06,393 always going to sing and yell at the mountaintops 374 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:08,896 about how I believe in our election system, but you're 375 00:17:08,962 --> 00:17:11,098 not going to get that with Congressman Tom Tiffany. I 376 00:17:11,164 --> 00:17:14,168 mean, we're talking about someone who voted against 377 00:17:14,234 --> 00:17:17,070 certifying the 2020 election for Wisconsin 378 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:19,773 voters, someone who's not willing to stand up and say 379 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,610 Donald Trump actually lost the 2020 election, and he's 380 00:17:23,677 --> 00:17:26,813 not willing to stand up and say how these laws, these 381 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,349 policies that Donald Trump is putting, putting in 382 00:17:29,416 --> 00:17:32,252 place, how they're going to hurt many of our rural 383 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:33,754 communities. And quite frankly, they're going to 384 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:36,323 hurt not just Democrats, Republicans, independents 385 00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:39,560 everywhere across this state, but our 386 00:17:39,626 --> 00:17:40,027 administration. We're going administration. We're going 387 00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:42,829 to continue to fight on behalf of our communities 388 00:17:42,896 --> 00:17:44,932 to make sure that they can cast their ballot, no 389 00:17:44,998 --> 00:17:46,500 matter where they are in Wisconsin. 390 00:17:46,567 --> 00:17:48,068 Wisconsin. >> When we sat down with 391 00:17:48,135 --> 00:17:51,004 Tom Tiffany, he did not want to say the word Trump. 392 00:17:51,071 --> 00:17:53,040 And throughout our entire interview, when asked about 393 00:17:53,106 --> 00:17:55,742 that, he didn't want to use the president's name. We've 394 00:17:55,809 --> 00:17:57,845 looked at his website. He stripped pretty much all 395 00:17:57,911 --> 00:17:59,980 mentions of the president away from him. What does 396 00:18:00,047 --> 00:18:02,282 that say? Why? Why would he be doing that? 397 00:18:02,349 --> 00:18:04,885 >> I think he wants to run away. You know, you know, 398 00:18:04,952 --> 00:18:07,020 Congressman Tom Tiffany, he's been the Maga 399 00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:09,756 extremist and wants to run away from the fact that he 400 00:18:09,823 --> 00:18:12,626 has been lockstep with Trump for the past decade. 401 00:18:12,693 --> 00:18:15,229 He has been one of the most conservative members that 402 00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:17,464 we've had here in the state of Wisconsin, being a part 403 00:18:17,531 --> 00:18:20,367 of the Freedom Caucus, but also not fighting on behalf 404 00:18:20,434 --> 00:18:23,437 of Wisconsinites. Congressman Tom Tiffany 405 00:18:23,504 --> 00:18:27,007 cannot and will not defend his own actions nor defend 406 00:18:27,074 --> 00:18:29,776 why he's protected this president. And that's why 407 00:18:29,843 --> 00:18:32,112 we need a governor who's going to stand up, someone 408 00:18:32,179 --> 00:18:34,781 who's going to bring folks from all political factions 409 00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:38,552 to the table to make sure that they can live healthy 410 00:18:38,619 --> 00:18:41,321 lives, productive lives, and put more money and save 411 00:18:41,388 --> 00:18:43,957 more money in their pockets as we move forward. And 412 00:18:44,024 --> 00:18:46,393 that's what you're going to get in the next governor. 413 00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:47,394 When I'm elected on November 3rd. 414 00:18:47,461 --> 00:18:49,463 November 3rd. >> All right, David Crowley, 415 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:51,365 thanks for your time. >> Thank you. Thank you for 416 00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:53,800 having me. >> Filling up the gas tank 417 00:18:53,867 --> 00:18:57,604 in your car is increasingly costly, but if you drive a 418 00:18:57,671 --> 00:19:01,575 truck, diesel fuel prices have spiked sharply due to 419 00:19:01,642 --> 00:19:05,112 supply disruptions because of the war in Iran, and are 420 00:19:05,179 --> 00:19:09,650 now at a record high above $6 a gallon for all. The 421 00:19:10,217 --> 00:19:12,686 semis crisscrossing the state, carrying the goods 422 00:19:12,753 --> 00:19:16,190 and products we consume, sell and supply. The cost 423 00:19:16,256 --> 00:19:19,793 of diesel is a blow to transport companies and 424 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:23,163 likely to show up downstream in the cost of 425 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:25,966 things. We're joined now by Dan Johnson, president of 426 00:19:26,033 --> 00:19:28,702 the Wisconsin Motor Carriers Association, and 427 00:19:28,769 --> 00:19:30,604 thanks very much for being here. 428 00:19:30,671 --> 00:19:33,373 >> Thank you for having me. >> So what kind of a shock 429 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,408 are these diesel prices right now? 430 00:19:34,474 --> 00:19:35,909 right now? >> Well, obviously, just 431 00:19:35,976 --> 00:19:38,679 like anybody else, we're seeing the spike and it is 432 00:19:38,745 --> 00:19:41,381 a great concern to the trucking industry. It's not 433 00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:43,383 that we haven't been through this before, but 434 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:46,587 this is clearly the highest that it's been in record. 435 00:19:46,653 --> 00:19:48,655 So it's something that our trucking companies, they're 436 00:19:48,722 --> 00:19:53,026 dealing with, they have to absorb those costs in some 437 00:19:53,093 --> 00:19:55,162 fashion. They're trying to mitigate as best as they 438 00:19:55,229 --> 00:19:57,664 possibly can. But yeah, it is a cause for concern 439 00:19:57,731 --> 00:19:59,333 right now with those trucking companies. 440 00:19:59,399 --> 00:20:01,902 >> What concerns do you have that those prices will 441 00:20:01,969 --> 00:20:05,272 just keep breaking records? >> Well, everybody has that 442 00:20:05,339 --> 00:20:08,475 concern. I mean, we like to see things level off and 443 00:20:08,542 --> 00:20:11,645 hopefully dial back quite a bit. But you know, who 444 00:20:11,712 --> 00:20:14,081 knows. I mean they just have to plan and prepare. 445 00:20:14,147 --> 00:20:16,817 One thing with the trucking industry is they're very 446 00:20:16,884 --> 00:20:19,786 resilient. We've seen price spikes like this before 447 00:20:19,853 --> 00:20:24,391 back in 2022, when it got near $6 per gallon for for 448 00:20:24,458 --> 00:20:28,629 diesel, they adjusted. They overcame. Some of them did 449 00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:30,764 have to step out of the industry because they 450 00:20:30,831 --> 00:20:32,966 couldn't handle the expenses. And then there 451 00:20:33,033 --> 00:20:35,836 was a shift within the trucking industry, and the 452 00:20:35,903 --> 00:20:38,805 prices came back down. But now we're we're back to 453 00:20:38,872 --> 00:20:41,775 another unfortunate record high. And they're dealing 454 00:20:41,842 --> 00:20:44,111 with it as best as they can right now. 455 00:20:44,178 --> 00:20:46,280 >> Just for a sense of understanding. What does it 456 00:20:46,346 --> 00:20:50,017 cost now to fill up the tanks on a on a truck like 457 00:20:50,083 --> 00:20:50,817 this? this? 458 00:20:50,884 --> 00:20:53,587 >> Right. Well, you know, they did a study. The 459 00:20:53,654 --> 00:20:57,191 average cost per mile for a truck. And we're talking 460 00:20:57,257 --> 00:21:00,627 about also the fuel and the other expenses. It's about 461 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:04,031 $2.32 per mile that it costs them to, to run a 462 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:06,500 truck down the road. So anytime you add that when 463 00:21:06,567 --> 00:21:10,370 you add another dollar to diesel prices, that's going 464 00:21:10,437 --> 00:21:14,441 to add another $0.14 per mile to that, to that truck 465 00:21:14,508 --> 00:21:17,578 cost. So you expand that out over thousands of miles. 466 00:21:17,644 --> 00:21:19,646 And we're talking about hundreds of thousands of 467 00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:21,782 dollars that it's going to cost per truck to run them 468 00:21:21,849 --> 00:21:23,884 either in the state or across the country. 469 00:21:23,951 --> 00:21:27,321 >> So who bears the cost at the start? 470 00:21:27,387 --> 00:21:30,190 >> Well, the trucking company does they bear that 471 00:21:30,257 --> 00:21:34,461 cost. Now, they do have some some agreements in 472 00:21:34,528 --> 00:21:37,397 place, perhaps with their fuel distributors for 473 00:21:37,464 --> 00:21:39,566 discounts. But our smaller fleets and the private 474 00:21:39,633 --> 00:21:41,401 carriers are probably at a disadvantage because they 475 00:21:41,468 --> 00:21:43,103 disadvantage because they don't have the opportunity 476 00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:45,472 to do that. And they're probably going to be paying 477 00:21:45,539 --> 00:21:48,108 the retail cost for diesel prices. 478 00:21:48,175 --> 00:21:51,712 >> How might we see the downstream costs be 479 00:21:51,778 --> 00:21:54,648 affecting everything? >> There's certainly the 480 00:21:54,715 --> 00:21:59,152 potential for consumers to see increased costs for 481 00:21:59,219 --> 00:22:01,455 groceries and other items, other necessities that they 482 00:22:01,522 --> 00:22:05,125 need. But, you know, it's going to be up to the 483 00:22:05,192 --> 00:22:07,494 trucking company, the wholesaler, the distributor 484 00:22:07,561 --> 00:22:10,163 and the retailer to make decisions of their own, how 485 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:12,900 much they potentially pass along to the consumer. 486 00:22:12,966 --> 00:22:16,637 >> So I read on your website that 95% of 487 00:22:16,703 --> 00:22:19,840 manufactured tonnage is transported by trucks in 488 00:22:19,907 --> 00:22:22,276 Wisconsin. Are some customers pulling back on 489 00:22:22,342 --> 00:22:25,312 orders or production because of the cost? 490 00:22:25,379 --> 00:22:27,981 >> Now, it's very possible. We haven't really seen any 491 00:22:28,048 --> 00:22:32,019 kind of hard data right now. The economy is moving at a 492 00:22:32,085 --> 00:22:34,755 pretty good pace. So there's a lot of things 493 00:22:34,821 --> 00:22:39,226 that are that have already been set in motion. As I 494 00:22:39,293 --> 00:22:41,461 mentioned previously, you know, the trucking 495 00:22:41,528 --> 00:22:44,731 companies, they don't have the opportunity to stop. 496 00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:46,834 They have to keep moving the freight. They have to 497 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,703 keep moving the product to market. So if there are 498 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:51,872 orders in, they have to keep moving that along the 499 00:22:51,939 --> 00:22:53,674 supply chain and get it to its final destination. 500 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:55,242 its final destination. >> With everybody talking 501 00:22:55,309 --> 00:22:58,111 about this right now, the cost of gasoline and the 502 00:22:58,178 --> 00:23:01,648 cost of of diesel, how does it kind of highlight the 503 00:23:01,715 --> 00:23:04,518 work that members of your association do every day? 504 00:23:04,585 --> 00:23:06,653 And we might take for granted? 505 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,256 >> Well, absolutely. We have 3.5 million drivers 506 00:23:09,323 --> 00:23:11,491 out there crisscrossing the nation, and they're 507 00:23:11,558 --> 00:23:13,527 bringing us everything. Everything that you own, 508 00:23:13,594 --> 00:23:16,129 everything that you have at one point in time was 509 00:23:16,196 --> 00:23:18,365 delivered by a truck, and there's a man or a woman 510 00:23:18,432 --> 00:23:21,168 behind that wheel who is delivering those items from 511 00:23:21,235 --> 00:23:24,438 the producer to market. Or here in Wisconsin, we're a 512 00:23:24,505 --> 00:23:27,207 big agriculture community. From the farmer to the 513 00:23:27,274 --> 00:23:31,178 consumer. And what they do every single day in all 514 00:23:31,245 --> 00:23:34,014 sorts of conditions, whether it's weather, bad 515 00:23:34,081 --> 00:23:36,617 traffic, distracted drivers, construction zones, 516 00:23:36,683 --> 00:23:38,752 everything that they have to deal with every single 517 00:23:38,819 --> 00:23:41,855 day puts more pressure on the work that they do. And 518 00:23:41,922 --> 00:23:44,458 we absolutely do take it for granted. Unfortunately. 519 00:23:44,525 --> 00:23:46,827 And people really should take time to appreciate 520 00:23:46,894 --> 00:23:49,496 what truck drivers are doing out there to keep the 521 00:23:49,563 --> 00:23:51,798 economy moving, even in light of rising diesel 522 00:23:51,865 --> 00:23:53,667 prices. >> All right, Dan Johnson, 523 00:23:53,734 --> 00:23:55,169 thanks very much. >> Thank you so much. 524 00:23:55,235 --> 00:23:58,872 Appreciate it. >> In other news, the 525 00:23:58,939 --> 00:24:01,441 Wisconsin Supreme Court heard arguments this week 526 00:24:01,508 --> 00:24:05,779 on two high profile cases seeking new congressional 527 00:24:05,846 --> 00:24:09,750 voting maps in Wisconsin before the 2028 elections. 528 00:24:09,816 --> 00:24:12,553 The court is considering whether to allow the cases 529 00:24:12,619 --> 00:24:16,423 to proceed after lower court panels dismissed them 530 00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:20,093 this summer on procedural grounds. Both lawsuits 531 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,263 claim gerrymandering of the districts opposing 532 00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:25,566 attorneys represent Republican congressional 533 00:24:25,632 --> 00:24:29,903 members and the legislature, which passed the maps in 534 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:33,373 2011. >> The legislature that PAP 535 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,678 that passed those original maps wasn't any old 536 00:24:37,744 --> 00:24:42,449 legislature, right. The legislature that passed 537 00:24:42,516 --> 00:24:46,119 that maps. They came from districts that many people 538 00:24:46,186 --> 00:24:50,858 claimed are the were the most gerrymandered in the 539 00:24:51,458 --> 00:24:55,729 entire country. They were, as some say, a prime 540 00:24:55,796 --> 00:24:59,099 example of representatives choosing their voters 541 00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:01,368 rather than the other way around, rather than voters 542 00:25:01,435 --> 00:25:05,205 choosing their representatives. And if I'm 543 00:25:05,272 --> 00:25:07,207 understanding your argument that under these change, 544 00:25:07,274 --> 00:25:11,612 which you're ardently defending, those maps, the 545 00:25:11,678 --> 00:25:16,016 baked in ones from the 2011 legislature would go 546 00:25:16,083 --> 00:25:20,153 forward into perpetuity indefinitely. And I don't 547 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:23,223 understand how that is not unconstitutional. 548 00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:26,159 >> Whether we agree with it or not, the US Constitution 549 00:25:26,226 --> 00:25:28,929 assigns redistricting authority to the 550 00:25:28,996 --> 00:25:34,067 legislature because 250 years ago, when we declared 551 00:25:34,134 --> 00:25:36,170 revolution, we said the people decide through their 552 00:25:36,236 --> 00:25:39,039 elected representatives. And there are two solutions 553 00:25:39,106 --> 00:25:42,609 for that, either of which plaintiffs could pursue. 554 00:25:42,676 --> 00:25:45,145 First, they could lobby Congress because, of course, 555 00:25:45,212 --> 00:25:48,749 Congress likewise has power under the elections clause 556 00:25:48,815 --> 00:25:52,686 to stop what some have said should not have happened in 557 00:25:52,753 --> 00:25:57,224 2011, or, like Florida, like New York, like Ohio. 558 00:25:57,291 --> 00:26:00,194 Plaintiffs could do the hard work of, of, of 559 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:02,596 creating a constitutional amendment and saying any 560 00:26:02,663 --> 00:26:06,200 politics and redistricting is forbidden. 561 00:26:06,266 --> 00:26:08,936 >> For more on this and other issues facing 562 00:26:09,002 --> 00:26:11,972 Wisconsin, visit our website at pbs 563 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,508 wisconsin.org and then click on the news tab. 564 00:26:14,575 --> 00:26:17,144 That's our program for tonight. I'm Frederica 565 00:26:17,211 --> 00:26:20,113 Freyberg. Have a good weekend. 566 00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:24,151 [MUSIC] >> Funding for "Here& Now" 567 00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:45,806 is provided by the Focus Fund for Journalism and 568 00:26:45,873 --> 00:26:48,342 friends of PBS Wisconsin.