1 00:00:05,906 --> 00:00:09,543 >> The following program is a PBS Wisconsin original 2 00:00:09,610 --> 00:00:12,946 production. >> Wisconsinites braced 3 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:15,949 themselves for the dangerous Arctic chill, 4 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:19,553 while some also brace for the white House to send an 5 00:00:19,620 --> 00:00:23,156 influx of Ice agents into the state. 6 00:00:23,223 --> 00:00:26,226 [MUSIC] tonight on "Here& Now". 7 00:00:26,793 --> 00:00:30,631 Community advocates prepare for immigration action in 8 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:33,467 Wisconsin. Then, following a disappointing football 9 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:37,471 season, the UW chancellor and athletic director 10 00:00:37,538 --> 00:00:40,541 discuss their plan of action, and the candidates 11 00:00:40,607 --> 00:00:43,544 for governor show their record of working across 12 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:46,847 the aisle. It's "Here& Now" for January 23rd. 13 00:00:46,914 --> 00:00:50,184 [MUSIC] >> Funding for Here and Now 14 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:52,986 is provided by the Focus Fund for Journalism and 15 00:00:53,053 --> 00:00:57,524 Friends of PBS Wisconsin. >> The surge of Ice and 16 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:08,068 customs and border control enforcement action across 17 00:01:08,135 --> 00:01:11,305 the border in Minnesota has resulted in the arrest of 18 00:01:11,371 --> 00:01:14,575 more than 3000 people, according to the agencies, 19 00:01:14,641 --> 00:01:17,878 which say the operation there will continue. Will 20 00:01:17,945 --> 00:01:21,315 that kind of escalated force come here? Advocates 21 00:01:21,381 --> 00:01:24,751 for immigrants in Wisconsin believe Milwaukee will soon 22 00:01:24,818 --> 00:01:28,589 be a target. That includes Daryl Morin, the national 23 00:01:28,655 --> 00:01:31,391 president of Forward Latino. He joins us from the 24 00:01:31,458 --> 00:01:34,795 Milwaukee area. Thanks very much for being here. 25 00:01:34,862 --> 00:01:36,563 >> Thank you for having me here. 26 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:39,333 >> So you have said that it's your and others belief 27 00:01:39,399 --> 00:01:42,703 that Ice will undertake a widespread operation in 28 00:01:42,769 --> 00:01:45,639 Milwaukee. What information do you have that that's 29 00:01:45,706 --> 00:01:49,910 going to happen? >> Well, yes. Over the last 30 00:01:49,977 --> 00:01:52,012 couple of weeks, there's been a growing consensus at 31 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:56,450 all levels of government here in Wisconsin that 32 00:01:56,517 --> 00:01:59,786 pending a dramatic change in priorities, there will 33 00:01:59,853 --> 00:02:03,891 be a large scale enforcement action here in 34 00:02:03,957 --> 00:02:06,994 the state of Wisconsin. We're seeing that they have 35 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:11,064 just under 3500 agents up there in Minneapolis. And 36 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:14,001 daily we see them coming into western Wisconsin 37 00:02:14,067 --> 00:02:17,171 probing, detaining individuals, attempting to 38 00:02:17,237 --> 00:02:20,307 detain others, etc. And I think it's the firm belief 39 00:02:20,374 --> 00:02:23,143 of many that it's just a matter of time before they 40 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:26,113 come all the way down to southeastern Wisconsin. 41 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:28,549 >> And what would bring them to southeastern 42 00:02:28,615 --> 00:02:31,718 Wisconsin? >> Well, we know there's a 43 00:02:31,785 --> 00:02:35,722 huge population here in southeastern Wisconsin. Not 44 00:02:35,789 --> 00:02:38,992 too many people know this. Wisconsin are Hispanics are 45 00:02:39,059 --> 00:02:42,296 the largest minority population in the state of 46 00:02:42,362 --> 00:02:45,299 Wisconsin. And there's obviously a tremendous 47 00:02:45,365 --> 00:02:47,467 population down here in the southeastern part, as well 48 00:02:47,534 --> 00:02:49,636 as in rural areas throughout the state, in 49 00:02:49,703 --> 00:02:53,340 our farms and our dairies, etc. So everything we've 50 00:02:53,407 --> 00:02:56,910 heard is that there there is sincere interest at the 51 00:02:56,977 --> 00:02:59,379 highest levels to come to Wisconsin. 52 00:02:59,446 --> 00:03:01,548 >> Do you think that the extent of what's unfolded 53 00:03:01,615 --> 00:03:05,619 in Minneapolis would happen in Milwaukee? 54 00:03:06,753 --> 00:03:09,256 >> Tragically, yes. As we've been working with our 55 00:03:09,323 --> 00:03:12,559 partners and Los Angeles and New Orleans in 56 00:03:12,626 --> 00:03:16,964 Charlotte, etc. we've seen these significant 57 00:03:17,731 --> 00:03:20,767 enforcement actions take place. And most troubling, 58 00:03:20,834 --> 00:03:25,072 most concerning about that is that individuals for no 59 00:03:25,138 --> 00:03:27,774 probable cause are being detained are being 60 00:03:27,841 --> 00:03:31,845 threatened, in some cases being even assaulted. So 61 00:03:31,912 --> 00:03:34,548 it's a tremendous concern not just for our immigrant 62 00:03:34,615 --> 00:03:37,184 population, but for Wisconsinites in general. 63 00:03:37,251 --> 00:03:40,387 >> I know that Milwaukee police policy is that they 64 00:03:40,454 --> 00:03:43,123 will not detain or arrest an individual solely for a 65 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:46,193 suspected violation of immigration law, and 66 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:49,062 President Trump has dubbed both Madison and Milwaukee 67 00:03:49,129 --> 00:03:51,899 sanctuary cities, although that is not an official 68 00:03:51,965 --> 00:03:55,802 kind of status. How does that factor into whether 69 00:03:55,869 --> 00:04:00,073 the administration surges in Wisconsin? 70 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:02,442 >> Well, I think there's a lot of political 71 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:05,245 calculations that are going into that, quite honestly, 72 00:04:05,312 --> 00:04:07,381 with regards to law enforcement's response, I 73 00:04:07,447 --> 00:04:09,249 tell you, that's those are discussions we're having 74 00:04:09,316 --> 00:04:12,853 every day. We only need to turn on the news to see 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,923 what is happening in other places. As I mentioned, to 76 00:04:15,989 --> 00:04:17,791 U.S. citizens and immigrants alike, where 77 00:04:17,858 --> 00:04:20,861 their rights are being violated and what we're 78 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:23,363 going to be asking law enforcement to do here is 79 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:27,534 to do their job. And if they see a resident of 80 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,770 Wisconsin being assaulted, being unlawfully detained, 81 00:04:29,837 --> 00:04:32,539 we're going to ask them to intervene. They're here to 82 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:36,176 protect us. And sadly, we're seeing our federal 83 00:04:36,243 --> 00:04:38,345 agents that are supposed to be doing the same, doing 84 00:04:38,412 --> 00:04:42,950 the opposite. So we're concerned. I will also 85 00:04:43,016 --> 00:04:46,553 share this, as I say, with business leaders around the 86 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,823 state, farmers, dairy farmers as well. There's a 87 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:53,527 growing consensus that as a purple state, any kind of 88 00:04:53,594 --> 00:04:55,929 large scale operation here in Wisconsin would actually 89 00:04:55,996 --> 00:04:59,433 cost more votes than when being a purple state. We're 90 00:04:59,499 --> 00:05:02,269 hoping the administration takes that into account 91 00:05:02,336 --> 00:05:04,872 before making the final decision to come here. 92 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:07,774 >> To your understanding, how prepared are Milwaukee 93 00:05:07,841 --> 00:05:10,577 police and city leaders and others should Milwaukee 94 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:15,249 become a powder keg? >> Well, we've been working 95 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:17,985 with our partners around the state, both in the 96 00:05:18,051 --> 00:05:19,987 private sector and our private sector and 97 00:05:20,053 --> 00:05:23,991 government sectors. We've been very pleased that 98 00:05:24,057 --> 00:05:27,694 everyone is taking prudent, prudent steps to make sure 99 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:31,465 that the residents and citizenry of Wisconsin will 100 00:05:31,532 --> 00:05:35,135 be protected. So can't go too far into details on 101 00:05:35,202 --> 00:05:37,137 that. But we're grateful for the partnerships we 102 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:39,806 have with many members of law enforcement and 103 00:05:39,873 --> 00:05:41,642 government, as well as our private and nonprofit 104 00:05:41,708 --> 00:05:44,378 partners. >> How has the immigration 105 00:05:44,444 --> 00:05:46,680 enforcement changed the lives of people and 106 00:05:46,747 --> 00:05:50,284 families and communities? Yvonne lawfully present 107 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:53,420 people? >> Well, there's tremendous 108 00:05:53,487 --> 00:05:58,158 fear. Once again, it's one thing. If we were seeing 109 00:05:58,225 --> 00:06:00,093 enforcement action truly going after the worst of 110 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,696 the worst. But that's not what's happening here. 111 00:06:02,763 --> 00:06:06,433 We're seeing over 70% of people who are being 112 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:09,770 detained have no criminal record. We're seeing U.S. 113 00:06:09,837 --> 00:06:12,272 citizens and those lawfully present detained, even U.S. 114 00:06:12,339 --> 00:06:15,042 veterans that have served our nation with dignity and 115 00:06:15,108 --> 00:06:18,078 honor. So there's tremendous fear here. We're 116 00:06:18,145 --> 00:06:20,814 seeing people are going out less, they're spending less. 117 00:06:20,881 --> 00:06:25,185 They're driving less. We're seeing absenteeism in 118 00:06:25,252 --> 00:06:29,923 schools and in workplaces tick up. So it is having a 119 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:33,126 significant impact. And should things escalate 120 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:36,897 further, I think we could see a significant shift in 121 00:06:36,964 --> 00:06:39,766 the productivity across the entire state if they were 122 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:42,436 to come here in force. >> You have urged 123 00:06:42,503 --> 00:06:44,438 preparation for Ice enforcement. What does that 124 00:06:44,505 --> 00:06:47,941 look like? >> Yeah. So as I share this 125 00:06:48,008 --> 00:06:50,544 information today, I don't want to be causing panic. 126 00:06:50,611 --> 00:06:54,014 Right. It's time for thoughtful preparation. 127 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:56,049 It's time for our governments and law 128 00:06:56,116 --> 00:06:59,019 enforcement agencies to prepare. And it's time for 129 00:06:59,086 --> 00:07:02,556 people who may be at risk to prepare to put things in 130 00:07:02,623 --> 00:07:04,458 place. I'll share with you. Last time we saw a 131 00:07:04,525 --> 00:07:06,593 significant increase in immigration enforcement, we 132 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:08,962 were getting calls from school districts asking 133 00:07:09,029 --> 00:07:11,365 what we could do to assist them because their parents 134 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:14,535 weren't here anymore, to pick them up from school. 135 00:07:14,601 --> 00:07:19,206 We're working with people in the health care field to 136 00:07:19,273 --> 00:07:22,176 discuss how can we safely move people back and forth 137 00:07:22,242 --> 00:07:25,279 who are going to be in need of dialysis and other 138 00:07:25,345 --> 00:07:27,481 treatments, as well as how are we going to dispense 139 00:07:27,548 --> 00:07:30,417 food once again to people who no longer feel safe 140 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:32,452 leaving their homes? So there's quite a bit of work 141 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:35,222 going into this right now at every level. Glad to be 142 00:07:35,289 --> 00:07:39,059 able to do the work, but sad that it's needed 143 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:41,028 nonetheless. >> We leave it there. Daryl 144 00:07:41,094 --> 00:07:44,431 Morin, thanks so much. >> Thank you. 145 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:49,603 >> In Milwaukee and across Wisconsin, K-12 schools 146 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:53,440 were closed Friday due to extreme cold warnings. And 147 00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:56,944 in a rare move, UW-Madison and many other campuses 148 00:07:57,010 --> 00:08:00,581 across the state also canceled classes due to the 149 00:08:00,647 --> 00:08:04,051 cold. The National Weather Service issued the warnings 150 00:08:04,117 --> 00:08:07,321 with wind chill lows ranging from 40 to nearly 151 00:08:07,387 --> 00:08:11,491 50 below zero. In the far north. Cold weather 152 00:08:11,558 --> 00:08:15,362 advisories remain in effect into Saturday. The all time 153 00:08:15,429 --> 00:08:19,566 state record cold was back in 1996, when the weather 154 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:23,937 service posted a -55 degrees. Wind chills as low 155 00:08:24,004 --> 00:08:28,075 as 40 below zero can cause frostbite on exposed skin 156 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:31,578 in ten minutes. It's recommended if you go 157 00:08:31,645 --> 00:08:36,016 outside to dress in layers, including a face mask. 158 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:38,719 Warming shelters across the state are available and can 159 00:08:38,785 --> 00:08:43,023 be found by calling 211. Season tickets for UW 160 00:08:44,892 --> 00:08:47,528 football went on sale this week. The Badgers are 161 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:50,631 coming off consecutive losing seasons, and last 162 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:54,134 fall, fans at Camp Randall were chanting to fire head 163 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:58,238 coach Luke Fickell. The football program generates 164 00:08:58,305 --> 00:09:01,008 $60 million in profits each year to fund the entire 165 00:09:01,074 --> 00:09:04,678 athletic department, and a study last fall estimated a 166 00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:08,315 loss in fan support from a losing team could lead to 167 00:09:08,382 --> 00:09:12,252 more than $100 million of losses in state and local 168 00:09:12,319 --> 00:09:14,721 revenue. Earlier this week, “Here& Now” senior 169 00:09:14,788 --> 00:09:18,425 political reporter Zac Schultz sat down with UW 170 00:09:18,492 --> 00:09:21,595 Chancellor Jennifer Mnookin and athletic director Chris 171 00:09:21,662 --> 00:09:24,398 McIntosh to discuss the state of the football team 172 00:09:24,464 --> 00:09:27,334 and the ever changing landscape of college 173 00:09:27,401 --> 00:09:30,337 athletics. >> Chancellor Mnookin 174 00:09:30,404 --> 00:09:31,772 Athletic Director McIntosh. Thanks for joining us, both 175 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:34,074 of you. Great to be here. 176 00:09:34,474 --> 00:09:37,144 >> So, Chancellor, let's start with you. It's been a 177 00:09:37,211 --> 00:09:39,546 few months since we heard the student section 178 00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:42,082 chanting to fire the coach. What have you seen since 179 00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:44,318 then that gives you faith that the decision to keep 180 00:09:44,384 --> 00:09:46,553 the coach was the right one. >> Well. 181 00:09:46,620 --> 00:09:49,456 >> For one thing, we saw two pretty great victories 182 00:09:49,523 --> 00:09:52,826 after that moment against both Illinois and 183 00:09:52,893 --> 00:09:55,696 Washington. But more generally, I think that 184 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:57,965 while last season's football performance wasn't 185 00:09:58,031 --> 00:10:01,301 what any of us would wish for, and it's what we have 186 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:03,837 to do better than that, there's no question about 187 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:06,273 that. But I also think that what we've seen is that 188 00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:10,577 this team can pull together the resources, the 189 00:10:10,644 --> 00:10:13,413 discipline and the know how to help Badger football 190 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,583 perform at the level that all of us rightly expected 191 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:18,519 to. >> Athletic director 192 00:10:18,585 --> 00:10:20,087 McIntosh. We've seen headlines about the new 193 00:10:20,153 --> 00:10:22,656 recruits coming in through the transfer portal, but 194 00:10:22,723 --> 00:10:24,525 what have you seen from inside the building that 195 00:10:24,591 --> 00:10:27,294 gives you faith that this next team is going to 196 00:10:27,361 --> 00:10:29,463 perform a lot better? >> Well, I mean, there's a 197 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:32,299 lot of excitement around the players that have 198 00:10:32,366 --> 00:10:35,702 committed to play at Wisconsin. It's been fast 199 00:10:35,769 --> 00:10:38,338 and furious. For those Badger fans that have been 200 00:10:38,405 --> 00:10:40,774 following the news, it's it's been a flurry of 201 00:10:40,841 --> 00:10:45,379 activity. You know, at this point in the season, I feel 202 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:47,481 satisfied that we had a plan and we were able to 203 00:10:47,548 --> 00:10:50,884 execute it. And I think we did well in this 204 00:10:50,951 --> 00:10:53,687 environment of college athletics and its 205 00:10:53,754 --> 00:10:58,892 dependance on the portal. At the same time, while I'm 206 00:10:58,959 --> 00:11:01,061 excited, you know, we haven't played a snap yet 207 00:11:01,128 --> 00:11:04,665 and we're looking forward to getting those kids on 208 00:11:04,731 --> 00:11:08,535 campus and getting getting to work. And and they'll 209 00:11:08,602 --> 00:11:11,138 get to work right away. And so it's a, you know, the 210 00:11:11,205 --> 00:11:13,841 beginning of a new season for us. There's optimism 211 00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:17,411 and excitement. And like the Chancellor said, 212 00:11:17,477 --> 00:11:20,180 there's high expectations. And we all understand that. 213 00:11:20,247 --> 00:11:22,683 We embrace that. >> Chancellor. There's a 214 00:11:22,749 --> 00:11:25,419 lot of things that you have to deal with. As the 215 00:11:25,485 --> 00:11:27,454 chancellor of the University of Wisconsin, 216 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:29,556 national issues have never been hotter than before. 217 00:11:29,623 --> 00:11:32,593 How do you view the athletic department? Is is 218 00:11:32,659 --> 00:11:35,329 it something that would be a lot easier if it was 219 00:11:35,395 --> 00:11:37,531 something that didn't draw that much of your attention? 220 00:11:37,598 --> 00:11:40,434 >> I think, first of all, that we're really proud to 221 00:11:40,501 --> 00:11:43,136 be a school that has an amazing athletic tradition, 222 00:11:43,203 --> 00:11:45,672 and we're really committed to our athletic future. 223 00:11:45,739 --> 00:11:47,875 We're really proud of the student athlete experience, 224 00:11:47,941 --> 00:11:50,677 and we're proud of the way that athletics is a great 225 00:11:50,744 --> 00:11:54,014 part of being a student at UW-Madison, whether or not 226 00:11:54,081 --> 00:11:56,650 you're a student athlete. And also it's a front porch 227 00:11:56,717 --> 00:12:00,420 to the university for the whole state of Wisconsin 228 00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:04,091 and well beyond. It's an absolutely critical part of 229 00:12:04,157 --> 00:12:07,394 who we are. It's not the only part of who we are. 230 00:12:07,461 --> 00:12:09,429 Some fans might think otherwise on that, but we 231 00:12:09,496 --> 00:12:13,834 do have teaching and research mission to. But 232 00:12:13,901 --> 00:12:18,272 athletics is absolutely central to the identity of 233 00:12:18,338 --> 00:12:20,974 what it means to be Wisconsin and what it means 234 00:12:21,041 --> 00:12:24,044 to be a badger. >> We've saw Indiana win a 235 00:12:24,111 --> 00:12:26,513 national title in football, a program that for years 236 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:29,283 was a doormat in the Big Ten. Does that change the 237 00:12:29,349 --> 00:12:31,485 expectation for what we should expect out of 238 00:12:31,552 --> 00:12:33,587 Wisconsin football? >> I don't think it changes 239 00:12:33,654 --> 00:12:36,957 the expectation. I think it demonstrates what's 240 00:12:37,024 --> 00:12:39,993 possible, which is which is much different today than 241 00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:44,698 it was not a long time ago. You know, it's a I mean, 242 00:12:44,765 --> 00:12:46,733 first of all, congratulations to Indiana 243 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,036 and kudos to everything they've accomplished. 244 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:50,437 >> And go. >> Big Ten. 245 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:55,209 >> Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, it wasn't long 246 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:59,146 ago in which the which optimism around the program 247 00:12:59,213 --> 00:13:01,648 revolved around the high school kids that you were 248 00:13:01,715 --> 00:13:05,452 recruiting and maybe just maybe four years from now, 249 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:08,589 we'll see the the fruits of that. And and that's just 250 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:10,657 not the world we're living in now. And so, you know, 251 00:13:10,724 --> 00:13:14,862 their turnaround in a two year span, while 252 00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:18,732 unprecedented, creates optimism for us and 253 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:21,134 excitement. And you know, they have their strategy. 254 00:13:21,201 --> 00:13:23,837 And it's obviously worked. We're executing ours. And 255 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:26,473 we're optimistic and excited about ours. 256 00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:29,042 >> For decades, the standard at Wisconsin was 257 00:13:29,109 --> 00:13:31,678 to compete for Big Ten titles and hopefully in the 258 00:13:31,745 --> 00:13:33,347 right scenario, win a national title. Is that 259 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:35,682 still the standard? >> Yes. 260 00:13:35,749 --> 00:13:38,819 >> Is that still the standard. 261 00:13:38,886 --> 00:13:42,289 >> So in that sense, you you gave the athletic 262 00:13:42,356 --> 00:13:44,658 director a contract extension last year and 263 00:13:44,725 --> 00:13:47,194 he's the one calling the shots here. What is your 264 00:13:47,261 --> 00:13:49,830 confidence level in him, and will he be making the 265 00:13:49,897 --> 00:13:51,565 ultimate decisions on who runs the football program 266 00:13:51,632 --> 00:13:54,301 here? >> Yes, I mean, Mac is, I 267 00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:57,304 think, a first rate athletic director. We've 268 00:13:57,371 --> 00:14:00,107 we've all we've had some bumps. This is a wild ride 269 00:14:00,174 --> 00:14:02,309 in college athletics right now. Moore has changed over 270 00:14:02,376 --> 00:14:06,513 the last couple of years than really in decades. 271 00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:10,083 It's still very much in flux. So, you know, it's 272 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:12,619 not altogether surprising that there will be and can 273 00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:15,856 be bumps in the road. What we need is somebody 274 00:14:15,923 --> 00:14:19,826 passionate, committed and strategic who also will be 275 00:14:19,893 --> 00:14:21,728 accountable for the program's success. And I 276 00:14:21,795 --> 00:14:26,600 have every faith that Mac is going to execute on that 277 00:14:26,667 --> 00:14:28,936 successfully. >> There are fans out there 278 00:14:29,002 --> 00:14:31,171 that say, well, one of the reasons that you kept Coach 279 00:14:31,238 --> 00:14:34,041 Fickell is because you were the one that hired him and 280 00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:36,710 you. It would look awkward if you admitting a mistake 281 00:14:36,777 --> 00:14:38,912 to let him go. Is there any basis in that? 282 00:14:38,979 --> 00:14:41,915 >> No, I mean, I, I understand and and I 283 00:14:41,982 --> 00:14:46,453 appreciate the frustration of our fans sharing it, but 284 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,556 I think, you know, my job was to try to determine 285 00:14:49,623 --> 00:14:52,426 what it will take to move us forward and to be 286 00:14:52,492 --> 00:14:56,296 successful. And when we looked every aspect of our 287 00:14:56,363 --> 00:14:59,399 program, certainly with the leadership in our football 288 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:01,935 program, Coach Fickell, and we weighed that against 289 00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:04,571 what we need to be successful in the future. 290 00:15:04,638 --> 00:15:07,674 We realized that we have a great coach here. We need 291 00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:10,744 to do more to invest in the program. Like the 292 00:15:10,811 --> 00:15:13,313 Chancellor said, my goal is to position this program to 293 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:16,149 be successful in the long run, and there's no room 294 00:15:16,216 --> 00:15:18,652 for pride in that. >> It's part of the 295 00:15:18,719 --> 00:15:21,421 landscape that's changed is nil, and the media money 296 00:15:21,488 --> 00:15:24,691 and the things that have changed drastically 297 00:15:24,758 --> 00:15:27,027 everywhere is Wisconsin. Were they behind in terms 298 00:15:27,094 --> 00:15:29,363 of adapting to that new landscape? Were they 299 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:31,965 playing by a different set of rules than other 300 00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:34,334 universities? May have taken advantage of how nil 301 00:15:34,401 --> 00:15:37,471 was supposed to be used? >> Well, I can say this. 302 00:15:37,538 --> 00:15:41,575 You know, we welcomed the House settlement last July, 303 00:15:41,642 --> 00:15:44,478 and that was an opportunity for us to share revenues 304 00:15:44,545 --> 00:15:48,415 directly with student athletes, a way for us to 305 00:15:48,482 --> 00:15:51,385 maybe influence our own destiny in ways that we 306 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:55,622 hadn't been able to before, in the time since House, 307 00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:58,892 since that settlement was finalized and took effect, 308 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:02,563 the world has been has gone through even more change. 309 00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:05,999 And so we continue to adapt and we continue to iterate. 310 00:16:06,066 --> 00:16:09,770 I think we have along the way. But there's no doubt, 311 00:16:09,837 --> 00:16:13,073 like we announced last fall, there was a need to invest 312 00:16:13,140 --> 00:16:15,943 more in football. And that's what we did. And and 313 00:16:16,009 --> 00:16:18,011 that's what we've been executing. And I think, you 314 00:16:18,078 --> 00:16:20,180 know, the progress we've shown and the success we've 315 00:16:20,247 --> 00:16:22,950 had in the portal, just this last week is the first 316 00:16:23,016 --> 00:16:26,320 step of many that show the progress we're making. 317 00:16:26,386 --> 00:16:29,623 >> The one thing I would add to that is we welcome 318 00:16:29,690 --> 00:16:31,959 the house settlement. We welcome the chance to be 319 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:36,597 able to support athletes directly. And I think we 320 00:16:38,031 --> 00:16:40,968 would be we would both welcome. And I think, 321 00:16:41,034 --> 00:16:44,371 frankly, many schools would welcome a system that did 322 00:16:44,438 --> 00:16:50,110 have clearer guardrails and greater clarity about what 323 00:16:50,177 --> 00:16:53,547 was and wasn't permitted. We are operating all of us 324 00:16:53,614 --> 00:16:58,418 in something of a wild West right now. That's not the 325 00:16:59,119 --> 00:17:03,590 structural environment that I think is really ideal for 326 00:17:03,657 --> 00:17:08,028 the future success of college athletics. That's 327 00:17:08,095 --> 00:17:10,631 not a Wisconsin issue. That's not a Big Ten issue. 328 00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:13,000 That's not even an NCAA issue. That's now a 329 00:17:13,066 --> 00:17:17,638 national dynamic. But I would love to see greater 330 00:17:20,674 --> 00:17:25,679 clarity and rules emerge that would ensure that we 331 00:17:25,746 --> 00:17:28,949 were all playing by the same rulebook about what 332 00:17:29,016 --> 00:17:31,518 was and wasn't allowed. >> The Big Ten has been 333 00:17:31,585 --> 00:17:33,587 negotiating a deal with private equity brokers for 334 00:17:33,654 --> 00:17:36,323 a 10% stake in media rights. It's been rumored to be up 335 00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:40,294 to $2.4 billion. Do you support that deal. 336 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:44,298 >> At this point, there's no deal under active 337 00:17:44,364 --> 00:17:47,201 consideration, as has been publicly reported. We were 338 00:17:47,267 --> 00:17:50,470 in conversations with actually a pension fund, 339 00:17:50,537 --> 00:17:54,107 not not exactly private equity, about a minority 340 00:17:54,174 --> 00:17:59,413 stake in a new enterprise. I think that the question 341 00:17:59,479 --> 00:18:04,384 of how we can work together as a conference to ask, are 342 00:18:05,285 --> 00:18:07,988 there revenue and growth opportunities where we can 343 00:18:08,055 --> 00:18:11,458 come together to add collective value? I think 344 00:18:11,525 --> 00:18:15,629 that's a really important conversation for us to 345 00:18:15,696 --> 00:18:18,732 continue to have. >> As you travel and speak 346 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:21,969 with alumni, do they bring up sports to you? Is that 347 00:18:22,035 --> 00:18:24,171 one of the. Sure. >> Of course they do. 348 00:18:24,238 --> 00:18:27,107 >> And do they bring up the successes? I mean, 349 00:18:27,174 --> 00:18:29,009 Wisconsin football is that part of like one of some of 350 00:18:29,076 --> 00:18:30,844 the first and earliest conversations? 351 00:18:30,911 --> 00:18:32,613 >> I've had lots of conversations about 352 00:18:32,679 --> 00:18:34,281 Wisconsin football. I've had lots of conversations 353 00:18:34,348 --> 00:18:36,884 about other aspects of Wisconsin athletics. It's 354 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:40,420 definitely something that alums talk to me about and 355 00:18:40,487 --> 00:18:43,757 sometimes make their feelings known in, in 356 00:18:43,824 --> 00:18:47,728 strong terms. And there's also a lot of people who 357 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:50,898 believe in this institution and what we're trying to do 358 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:52,699 athletically and more generally. That's one of 359 00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:57,437 the incredible, really positive things about the 360 00:18:58,172 --> 00:19:01,008 Wisconsin culture and environment. Wherever you 361 00:19:01,074 --> 00:19:03,210 travel, there are badgers everywhere, and there's 362 00:19:03,277 --> 00:19:05,746 usually badgers with, with, with, with opinions and 363 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:08,582 strong feelings and ideas. But whether those whether 364 00:19:08,649 --> 00:19:10,384 they're happy with what you're doing or whether 365 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:13,086 they're unhappy, that comes from a place of caring 366 00:19:13,153 --> 00:19:16,089 about the institution and its future and believing in 367 00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:19,459 it. And that's that's special sauce. That's 368 00:19:19,526 --> 00:19:22,429 something really wonderful. >> And bringing this full 369 00:19:22,496 --> 00:19:24,665 circle back to the football team and looking ahead to 370 00:19:24,731 --> 00:19:27,367 next year. There are people we talked about what is the 371 00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:29,469 standard, but there are some people that I've 372 00:19:29,536 --> 00:19:32,406 talked to that said, well, it's got to be bowl or bust 373 00:19:32,472 --> 00:19:35,242 in terms of the success for the coach next year, is 374 00:19:35,309 --> 00:19:37,444 that a sentiment that's fair for fans to have that 375 00:19:37,511 --> 00:19:39,947 a winning record and a bowl season should be the 376 00:19:40,013 --> 00:19:43,217 minimum. for our coaches and our 377 00:19:43,283 --> 00:19:45,185 athletic director, and I understand that our fan 378 00:19:45,252 --> 00:19:47,221 base does as well. >> Is bowl or bust. Is that 379 00:19:47,287 --> 00:19:49,523 a fair sentiment? >> I don't think our 380 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:52,659 expectations have changed, and I think our intent is 381 00:19:52,726 --> 00:19:56,864 to compete at the highest level. I think, like I said, 382 00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:59,700 we've put a plan in place that we feel optimistic 383 00:19:59,766 --> 00:20:02,569 will will allow us to do that. 384 00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:05,072 >> Right now. Usually the coaches from the fall get 385 00:20:05,138 --> 00:20:07,608 an extension on their contract, and it's usually 386 00:20:07,674 --> 00:20:09,543 announced somewhere in February or March. Will 387 00:20:09,610 --> 00:20:11,678 there be a one year extension on Coach 388 00:20:11,745 --> 00:20:15,082 Fickell's contract? >> I think that's a 389 00:20:15,148 --> 00:20:17,718 conversation that we should take up in February. 390 00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:20,787 >> All right. Jagler Mnookin JD McIntosh. Thanks 391 00:20:20,854 --> 00:20:22,356 for your time. >> Thanks so much for 392 00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:25,092 having us. >> And go Badgers. 393 00:20:26,093 --> 00:20:28,795 >> We're continuing our look at some of the biggest 394 00:20:28,862 --> 00:20:31,298 issues in the race for governor. As a reminder, 395 00:20:31,365 --> 00:20:34,001 you can see the interviews for nine different 396 00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:36,937 candidates on our web page, PBS Wisconsin. Org. And 397 00:20:37,004 --> 00:20:40,207 then click on the news tab. Here's Zac Schultz asking 398 00:20:40,274 --> 00:20:42,809 the leading candidates for governor to show us their 399 00:20:42,876 --> 00:20:46,046 track record of bipartisanship and working 400 00:20:46,113 --> 00:20:49,850 across the aisle. >> With a Democratic 401 00:20:49,917 --> 00:20:52,486 governor and a Republican legislature. The last eight 402 00:20:52,553 --> 00:20:55,155 years in Wisconsin politics have been defined by 403 00:20:55,222 --> 00:20:57,958 gridlock and a lack of trust in the Capitol. And 404 00:20:58,025 --> 00:21:00,460 whether a Democrat or Republican wins the race 405 00:21:00,527 --> 00:21:03,030 for governor this fall, there's a good chance the 406 00:21:03,096 --> 00:21:06,366 other party will control at least one chamber of the 407 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:08,569 legislature, meaning the next governor will need to 408 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:11,638 know how to work across the aisle to pass a budget. We 409 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:14,174 asked nine of the leading candidates for governor 410 00:21:14,241 --> 00:21:17,477 about their track record of bipartisanship. 411 00:21:17,544 --> 00:21:20,881 >> I'm incredibly proud to have passed the Asian 412 00:21:20,948 --> 00:21:23,984 American education legislation that was 413 00:21:24,051 --> 00:21:26,954 Republican led, where we had stakeholders from all 414 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:30,357 across the state, a coalition that was 415 00:21:30,424 --> 00:21:34,661 multi-generational and multi ethnic, where 416 00:21:34,728 --> 00:21:36,964 Republicans and I came together to make sure we 417 00:21:37,030 --> 00:21:40,567 delivered for working class families and what they were 418 00:21:40,634 --> 00:21:43,737 demanding. history, again, over 20 419 00:21:43,804 --> 00:21:46,807 years of working with some of the most conservative 420 00:21:46,874 --> 00:21:49,109 Republicans to get things done, whether it's criminal 421 00:21:49,176 --> 00:21:51,912 justice reform, whether it's helping to pass the 422 00:21:51,979 --> 00:21:55,148 first pro-choice legislation in a generation, 423 00:21:55,215 --> 00:21:57,751 working with in a Republican anti-choice 424 00:21:57,818 --> 00:22:00,754 assembly and getting that passed into law, or just 425 00:22:00,821 --> 00:22:03,056 earlier this year, where I helped expand access to 426 00:22:03,123 --> 00:22:06,493 rural health care options by allowing nurse 427 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,196 practitioners to practice. And for a long time, I was 428 00:22:09,263 --> 00:22:11,465 the only Democrat on that bill. And Governor Evers 429 00:22:11,532 --> 00:22:13,534 vetoed that bill several times. We finally got it 430 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,203 done. So I have a long history of being able to 431 00:22:16,270 --> 00:22:18,739 work well with folks from across the political 432 00:22:18,805 --> 00:22:21,008 spectrum. >> So I've done bills when 433 00:22:21,074 --> 00:22:24,378 I was in the legislature and as well as in Congress, 434 00:22:24,444 --> 00:22:26,513 working on a bipartisan basis. And we're going to 435 00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:29,583 try to do the same thing. The thing that I won't get 436 00:22:29,650 --> 00:22:33,153 away from is my principles, though. And number one is 437 00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:36,723 we got to make sure that we have balanced budgets. We 438 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,726 cannot spend too much money. The second thing is we got 439 00:22:39,793 --> 00:22:42,396 to do a better job with our educational system public, 440 00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:45,199 private, parochial, homeschool, whatever every 441 00:22:45,265 --> 00:22:47,701 kid in Wisconsin should expect to get a good 442 00:22:47,768 --> 00:22:49,469 education regardless of their zip code. 443 00:22:49,536 --> 00:22:51,705 >> Yeah, I mean, even out of office, I've been 444 00:22:51,772 --> 00:22:55,042 working with a bipartisan group on democracy reform 445 00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,344 because there are a lot of folks, sometimes both sides 446 00:22:57,411 --> 00:23:01,081 of the aisle who, you know, may make comments, may say 447 00:23:01,148 --> 00:23:04,384 certain things, or, you know, we've seen these 448 00:23:04,451 --> 00:23:06,987 issues, obviously, January 6th, but other instances 449 00:23:07,054 --> 00:23:09,690 where people call into question the integrity of 450 00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:13,594 elections and campaigns. And, you know, with a 451 00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:17,898 bipartisan group we've worked to instill more 452 00:23:17,965 --> 00:23:21,435 confidence in the electoral process. 453 00:23:21,502 --> 00:23:24,972 was confirmed twice by the Republican Senate 454 00:23:25,038 --> 00:23:28,008 unanimously as secretary of Economic Development. And 455 00:23:28,075 --> 00:23:30,410 if you asked any of them, I believe that they would say 456 00:23:30,477 --> 00:23:33,247 they have a record of working with me. I would 457 00:23:33,313 --> 00:23:36,817 also say that I've had a bipartisan board at Wedc 458 00:23:36,884 --> 00:23:40,387 for six years, and in that whole time we had two close 459 00:23:40,454 --> 00:23:43,724 votes. Other than that, the board was practically 460 00:23:43,790 --> 00:23:46,960 unanimous in many of our moves approving our budgets, 461 00:23:47,027 --> 00:23:51,598 passing programs. So I have a mindset of working with 462 00:23:51,665 --> 00:23:54,034 everybody who is willing to come to the table and have 463 00:23:54,101 --> 00:23:56,403 good discussions and think about how do we make 464 00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:58,305 Wisconsin better. >> I think this has been 465 00:23:58,372 --> 00:24:00,941 one of the things I've been most critical of recently 466 00:24:01,008 --> 00:24:03,777 is the lack of communication between the 467 00:24:03,844 --> 00:24:06,046 East Wing and the legislative branches. Both, 468 00:24:06,113 --> 00:24:09,650 I mean, look back to the state budget process. The 469 00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:12,352 Democrat minority leader is critical of the Democrat 470 00:24:12,419 --> 00:24:14,655 governor for not even giving her a seat at the 471 00:24:14,721 --> 00:24:17,024 table in the conversation about the budget. You know, 472 00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:19,526 Greta Neubauer and I probably don't agree on a 473 00:24:19,593 --> 00:24:21,995 whole lot. One thing we do agree on is everybody 474 00:24:22,062 --> 00:24:24,665 should have a seat at the table. 90% of things, we 475 00:24:24,731 --> 00:24:26,600 probably disagree, but there's probably going to 476 00:24:26,667 --> 00:24:29,303 be 1 or 2 where I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. How 477 00:24:29,369 --> 00:24:31,572 do we get to. Yes. >> Well, I think I'm 478 00:24:31,638 --> 00:24:34,408 somebody who over the course of 30 years has 479 00:24:34,474 --> 00:24:37,244 demonstrated that I am a relationship person. First. 480 00:24:37,311 --> 00:24:41,815 It's something that I have made a point of, and I have 481 00:24:41,882 --> 00:24:45,219 ensured that as I go throughout my career, I 482 00:24:45,285 --> 00:24:48,789 think I check my ideology at the door when I want to 483 00:24:48,856 --> 00:24:50,924 roll up my sleeves and get things done. It's necessary 484 00:24:50,991 --> 00:24:52,893 to do in the nonprofit sector, it's necessary to 485 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,796 do in government. >> You know, I spent seven 486 00:24:55,863 --> 00:24:57,998 years in the state capitol. So, you know, having worked 487 00:24:58,065 --> 00:24:59,900 under both Governor Evers administration as well as 488 00:24:59,967 --> 00:25:02,102 Governor Walker's administration, I've had to 489 00:25:02,169 --> 00:25:05,372 to navigate these political landmines, if you will. And 490 00:25:05,439 --> 00:25:08,242 as the county executive of Milwaukee County, I've 491 00:25:08,308 --> 00:25:11,512 worked with the Republican controlled legislature not 492 00:25:11,578 --> 00:25:14,181 only to benefit Milwaukee, but every community across 493 00:25:14,248 --> 00:25:17,618 the state with the passage of act 12, but continue to 494 00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:20,420 work across the aisle even in this most recent budget, 495 00:25:20,487 --> 00:25:23,357 where we're going to receive reimbursements for 496 00:25:23,423 --> 00:25:27,060 our highway patrol, giving us the ability to invest in 497 00:25:27,127 --> 00:25:29,963 our public safety building in our courtrooms to make 498 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,900 sure that we can deliver justice for those who need 499 00:25:32,966 --> 00:25:35,969 it and take care of those who are in our care. And so 500 00:25:36,036 --> 00:25:38,872 I'm going to always show up and deliver for those that 501 00:25:38,939 --> 00:25:41,108 I represent. And I want communities all across the 502 00:25:41,175 --> 00:25:43,777 state to know I'm going to be a governor for everybody, 503 00:25:43,844 --> 00:25:46,446 not just one party. >> So coming from a 504 00:25:46,513 --> 00:25:48,382 rhetoric community, I'm used to having those types 505 00:25:48,448 --> 00:25:51,185 of conversations with Republicans. I represented 506 00:25:51,251 --> 00:25:53,954 a purple district. My strategy would be able to 507 00:25:54,021 --> 00:25:56,924 do things that have, you know, wild popular support 508 00:25:56,990 --> 00:26:00,794 in Wisconsin and be able to start with those types of 509 00:26:00,861 --> 00:26:03,997 things. So whether that is fully funding our public 510 00:26:04,064 --> 00:26:05,532 schools, we know that that's something that 511 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:08,769 people want to do within Wisconsin. We want to make 512 00:26:08,836 --> 00:26:11,572 sure that we're going to be able to get some relief for 513 00:26:11,638 --> 00:26:14,441 healthcare across, across the finish line. I'm 514 00:26:14,508 --> 00:26:16,977 willing to work with anybody who's going to make 515 00:26:17,044 --> 00:26:19,980 life better for Wisconsin. >> Reporting from Madison. 516 00:26:20,047 --> 00:26:23,350 I'm Zach Schultz for here. And now. 517 00:26:23,417 --> 00:26:26,320 >> For more on this and other issues facing 518 00:26:26,386 --> 00:26:29,756 Wisconsin, visit our website at PBS Wisconsin 519 00:26:29,823 --> 00:26:32,693 and then click on the news tab. That's our program for 520 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,462 tonight I'm Frederica Freyberg. 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