>> All right, guys. >> Good afternoon, and welcome
to Milwaukee, host city for the Republican National Convention.
This is a special presentation of Here and Now 2024 election
coverage. We are coming to you live from Media Row on Panther
Arena in downtown Milwaukee. I'm Zach Schultz, the senior
political reporter here now. And I am joined, as always, with my
two esteemed guests, bill McCoshen Scot Ross. Thank you
for coming back for day two. >> Day two. Here we go, here we
go. day. As Tommy Thompson described
it on Monday. Let's start with the events of last night. The
big thing that everyone is waiting for, Donald Trump's
appearance at the Fiserv. What was your reaction to seeing him
come through the hallway, come up and he didn't address the
crowd, but he did appear in a big way.
>> Oh, it was powerful. I mean, the place erupted. You could
feel the energy in the room. It was exciting. It was powerful.
It was moving and you could tell it was moving for Trump. He's
he's not easily emotional. He appeared to be a little bit
emotional last night and that resonated with the crowd.
>> What do you think Scott did this move. Anyone who hadn't
seen we had not seen him really up close. This is the first
time. it moved anybody. You know, to
be honest, it it's what we saw yesterday was within, you know,
two speakers. Trump's pledge to bring unity to the country was
broken in a way that a lot of the promises that they've made
to the people have been broken. We can go through that list at
some point. But, you know, I don't think there was anything,
you know, again, it's a convention, so there's going to
be a lot of enthusiasm for their nominee for president. But as
far as you know, Democrats and as far as independents goes, I'm
not sure it really resonated. >> What about you for the image
of Trump in the booth next to JD Vance, the first time the
America got to see this new team, this new running team, I
liked it, right? >> I mean, we've talked about
it. JD wasn't my first choice. I've had a chance to sleep on
it. I'm coming around. I see the value of it. He may not add
states necessarily, although the Trump team thinks he can play
well in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin, and
that's probably true. But he sends a message to working
people across the country. The forgotten men and women that
Trump's saying, I'm with you, my second administration will be
with you. And so much so that I'm picking a guy who is one of
you who grew up like all of you did. So I think that's actually
pretty powerful. And I missed that the first time around. And
he's the second. He is the youngest, person on a national
ticket in my lifetime. So I think that he's got an
opportunity to appeal to millennials like nobody has in
the past. So I'm excited about it.
the Democrats greatest hits against JD Vance come out in
social media. Stuff that he has said that will he actually
regret it or will he just shrug it off?
those things. And again, some of them are, you know, he referred
to Trump as quote unquote, America's Hitler. He praised him
or he criticized him for the Charlottesville march with the
and blamed him for that. And one of the allegations made against
Trump of sexual assault, JD Vance, said he believed that. So
he has got some, you know, that's going to be without a
doubt used in the campaign. But I think there's a lot where they
come, you know, they they come into focus of being together.
And that's on abortion, extremism on tax cuts for rich
people. And you know, with all due respect to J.D. Vance's
background, yes, he grew up poor, but he's a venture
capitalist who's in billionaire Peter Thiel's pocket. That's why
he's on the ticket, because Elon Musk and Peter Thiel want this
guy on the ticket, because they know he's in there for big tech.
They know he's in there for tax cuts for rich people. They know
he's there for hurting working people. And Musk has already
pledged after, you know, after this all happened, $45 million a
month for the next four months to the super PAC. That's $180
million. the things that concerned me
about JD and I'll raise it today is he has not been tested on a
national ticket. Right. The bright lights of a national
campaign are far different than running statewide, but the
adversity this man overcame as a child to get to where he is
today, you know, I think he's overcome bigger challenges than
the bright lights of a national campaign. Having said that,
Trump is still going to have to play some defense with him
initially. The other choice is he could have gone straight.
Offense started putting more states in play. But I think on
this one, JD is going to have to prove himself. And as someone
who was given a lot of opportunities from former
Governor Tommy Thompson at a very young age, I like the pick.
The fact that the principal, Donald Trump, believes in this
guy and thinks he's got the raw material to do the job says a
lot, right? But now it's up to Vance to prove it over the next
112 days. >> So we saw a tone shift from
the morning to the evening in terms of unity is in the
morning, the delegate breakfast in the afternoon session, all we
heard was, this is the chance for unity is a new tone, a new
sense coming from the Trump campaign and then Ron Johnson
got on stage. And whether it was a teleprompter error or not,
Scott, that sounded like the old Ron Johnson that we've always
heard before. >> Yeah, no, a tiger can't
change its stripes. And whatever the whatever this you know, his
his, claims about a teleprompter. It's the Ron
Johnson we've come to know. And I think Ron Johnson's veracity
has been, you know, in question more than once. One time. I just
want to go back to one point about about JD Vance, that that
bill made, it's really, really important to remember that, JD
Vance got into the Senate last year. He's being hired because
of his demographics. Again, he's going to appeal to millennials.
That sounds like a DEI hire to me, which I think Republicans
seem to oppose everywhere else when it's talking about
affirmative action and bringing, you know, other demographics
into the, into the workplace. >> So on the unity, I think we
have to talk about Lester Holt's interview with Joe Biden last
night, where Biden waffled on the bull's eye comment that he
made just last week about putting Trump in the bull's eye.
And he did a whole bunch of what aboutism that I didn't say
crosshairs. And I didn't really mean it that way. It was it was
bad. It was, frankly, I hope you guys I hope the Democrats put
him on TV every single night because he helps us every time
he does one of those interviews. But he discounted the whole
unity thing that he had talked about on national TV on Sunday
night and went right to Trump's a threat to democracy. And why
can't I say that if it's true and listen, this is going to be
a dogfight all the way. 112 days left to go. You know, I'm still
excited to hear Trump speak on on Thursday night because I
think there will be a different tone. But having said that,
listen, these are you play for keeps in politics and it's all
about winning. There is no second place. So you know
there's a second place, but it belongs in the history.
>> Yeah, right. Buckle up. >> In terms of that. What is the
line though between legitimately calling out what one people may
believe are threats to democracy, threats to the future
based on platforms and party positions? And, you know,
Trump's own comments about only be a dictator on day one versus
obviously the danger that comes with what we saw in Butler here.
>> What I would say about that democracy is the ballot in
November. out and vote. Choose one of
these people. Get involved. If you sit on the couch, you can't
complain after the fact. Democracy is the ballot. Nobody
else in the world has the opportunity we do to express
ourselves. This experiment we call democracy is 248 years old.
It's going to continue no matter which one of these guys wins in
the in the nonsense the Democrats have been spewing,
that somehow democracy is going to go away. If Trump is, is the
president, well, he's got a first term that he can prove
that didn't happen. >> He tried. We did have January
sixth. I mean, you can't discount the fact that that
exists. ended. The election had been
certified. Joe Biden was going to be the president no matter
what. because Mike pence refused to
overturn the results of a democratically decided election.
And JD Vance has pledged that he will do that. That is why he is
on the ticket. >> That's not even an issue.
He's going to tell you why it's not even an issue, because
Donald Trump can only serve one term. That's it. JD Vance won't
have that. multiple terms. Can't do it. The
Constitution prohibits it. >> But he but if he this
election is for his would be for his second term so he can serve.
So if he decides again he doesn't win, that he wants to
overturn the results of a democratically decided election
Wisconsin were saying there was no evidence of any problem with
the vote tally in Wisconsin and anywhere else, you know, that's
on him. He did it once. I believe he'll do it again. And I
think it's you know, I think it's a very legitimate thing for
us to discuss, along with all the other policy things, because
democracy is we saw over and over again in 2021, after the
terrorist insurrection, through the multiple lawsuits over and
over, Republicans trying to undo the results of a democratically
decided election so that we're clear about this, Kamala Harris,
under any set of circumstances, will oversee the counting of the
ballots in January of 2025. >> But that's not what we're
talking. >> That's a fact.
>> You're fast forwarding four years.
hypothetical. Well, they're all for a guy that can't run for a
second term for a third term. >> Third term. Right. But what
you were saying is that there's no way he would overturn an
election coming out of that. >> What election would he
overturn? JD Vance? >> Well, I mean, JD Vance told
Trump earlier, ignore Supreme Court decisions you don't agree
with. And I think that brings us back to why he's already done
that on student loan debt, why people believe that, why people
believe that it is problematic to have Donald Trump as a
president because we saw, you know, the central tenet is that
every person, no person, is above the law in America. And
the Supreme Court, three of six, you know, six justices, three of
them who were appointed by Trum, said that the law doesn't apply
to him or Biden. I know that, but it was because they don't
want Trump to be prosecuted for the crimes, the 34 felonies he
was convicted of. We saw his, you know, his appointee, Aileen
Cannon. You know, Aileen, let's talk for a second. Just give me
this one. Aileen cannon, who is on the court to make those
decisions and dismiss Trump's case, was put in there because
Mitch McConnell pushed after the election to get her on. And now
they booed Mitch McConnell when he stepped on the on the stage.
>> I'm glad you raised that. >> I was disappointed in my
fellow Republicans yesterday when they booed Mitch McConnell.
If there is a Hall of Fame for United States senators,
Republican United States Senators Mitch McConnell would
absolutely be in that in my opinion, without him, Merrick
Garland would be on the Supreme Court. Three brand new justices
would not be on the Supreme Court. He is a hero. Did he stay
too long in the Senate? Yes he did. I'm one of these guys who
now believes we should have a mandatory retirement age. I
don't think we need octogenarians either. In the
white House or in the Congress. What about the Supreme Court?
>> Here we are. >> Well, they have lifetime
terms. They have lifetime terms. >> So I want to one more person.
I want to talk about from last night was the president of the
Teamsters. He closed the night with a pretty powerful speech.
He's he's made some appearances before Congress. And if people
follow social media, they probably saw him ready to throw
down against a GOP senator who he named name called out in his
speech. But what's your reaction, Scott? First of all,
to having the president of the Teamsters at the GOP convention?
>> Well, Donald Trump is the most anti-union, anti-worker
president. We have ever had in American history. There is no
doubt about that. Over and over again, he is, you know, just
been awful on that issue. You know, Joe Biden and the
Democrats put $36 billion into the American Recovery Act to
make sure that the 350,000 Teamsters, both current and
retirees, will be able to get the pension benefits that
they've earned. So it was a slap in the face to the Democrats. I
don't think it's going to make a difference because overall,
labor is with Joe Biden. 100. This guy is an anomaly to that.
>> I loved it as a son of a union president from superior, I
thought it was great. I think Donald Trump has transformed
this party. We are now the party of working people, which I'm
proud of. I grew up on, and I think it was a powerful message.
To be fair, the Teamsters president did not endorse Donald
Trump last night. I don't believe he will. I don't believe
he'll endorse Joe Biden either, but it's said to other working
people out there, you know what these guys are okay?
>> And that the traditional union laborer is a middle class
or middle working class white male who has been drifting
towards the Republican Party and has been attracted to Trump. So
that seems like a natural fit for the Republicans.
>> I think it is. And the one that's a little odd to me is the
UW So Sean Farrell, the president of the UAW, has
already come out and endorsed Biden. Not a big surprise. Biden
walked the picket line with them. I think UAW members will
be with Trump. And I'll tell you why he's going to do away with
this EV mandate that Joe Biden put in place. That's going to
impact their jobs in Michigan and send those jobs down to
Mexico. I mean, that's one of the reasons Trump got elected.
One of the things reasons I think he picked JD Vance, he
came from Appalachia, whose entire region Scott's not grew
up not far from there, was hollowed out by NAFTA and trade
agreements that were anti-American. So I think that's
going to be a powerful message across the country for the next
112 days. >> First of all, with all due my
the area where I grew up in steel country was because under
Reagan Steel was the first American industry that was
outsourced overseas, you know, and people haven't forgotten
that, but they're a lot older now because that was 40 years
ago. You know, the fact is, is that labor is always going to
stand with the Democrats because the Democrats stand for labor.
Look at roll call after roll call after roll call, you know,
top to bottom in every level of government when it comes down to
it, Republicans vote against labor and working people.
Democrats vote for them. And you can't you know, you can't argue
with the record. And one guy who my guess is this probably will
be his last term elected as the Teamsters president, told me, we
can come back in a couple of years when he's up and we can
make, you know, you can call me if he still is. But people are
angry about that in the labor movement because, again,
working people across the board and Joe Biden's put in his
policies. The American Recovery Act. You know, the
Anti-Inflation act. I mean, it's all there working towards
putting putting more people to work and making sure there's a
good paying jobs because Democrats understand the
economy, okay? They understand the economy. When you put money
into the pockets of working people, they spend that money in
the community. Tax cuts for the rich is one of the you know, you
start with the promises they broke last night. Tax cuts for
the rich do not help working people.
that I wanted to get to yesterday but ran out of time is
talking about the GOP platform, and it kind of got fast tracked
last week. And anti-abortion activists are upset because
there is not a national abortion ban in the plank. First off,
does it matter? And is this showing Trump understanding the
importance of Roe? This fall? And that's why he's doing this?
>> Yeah, I don't think there's any question about that. He said
it himself. He takes credit for the three appointees on the
United States Supreme Court that rendered the Dobbs decision that
undid Roe versus Wade, and sent it back to the States. But he's
also saying we're not going to tell all of the states how to do
this with a national ban. He's made that very, very clear. And
procedurally, to do that, he would need 60 votes in the
United States Senate to make that happen. Even if Republicans
have a landslide victory in November, they're not going to
get to 60 seats in the United States Senate.
views of Republicans and abortion?
should you know, we should just talk about the issue for a
second. You know, it's not just abortion. It's whether or not
women and, you know, we're three dudes, whether women have
control of their bodies. And that is why the fact that
Trump's court overturned Roe versus Wade is why Democrats
continue to win election after election after election in
Wisconsin. I think Ron Johnson being the one exception, the one
exception that the Democrats were able to win. But again,
that's part of why JD Vance is on the ticket. You know, Tony
Perkins from the Family Research Council who spoke, who was
attempting to get the resolution put back into the you know,
whatever your process is, where you get, you know, opposition
view gets to put an opposition view gets to be put in the
platform. It failed. But he tried to do that because he is
you know, he cares so much about a nationwide abortion ban. JD
Vance is the sort of message to those folks that that's
happening. Vance has called abortion murder. He said there
should be no exceptions for rape and incest. He supported the
Ohio version of six weeks, with no exceptions for rape and
incest. He he said that, you know, a woman choosing to end a
pregnancy that happens as a result of those things is a
convenience, quote unquote, his his comments, not mine. And so,
over and over again, that was a, you know, that was, you know,
part of what what he was able to do is you know, we're talking
about Republican unity, you know, not unity with the with
the with the rest of us. And that was part of what it is,
because if Republicans take control of the white House, they
have already put the blueprint in place to have a nationwide
abortion ban. >> The bank, Frank.
>> And here's the deal. There's some irony in this. So
pro-lifers for years wanted the overturn of Roe versus Wade.
They got it right. They caught the dog caught the car. Right.
And now they want a national ba, right. When in reality this is a
state decision. And there will be there potentially 50
different answers to this today in the state of Wisconsin, based
on some recent court decisions. There's a 20 week ban on
abortion, meaning you can have an abortion up to the 20th week.
It's about the it's you're right into the second trimester, I
believe, that could change over time with different legislatures
or a different governor. But that's the law of the land. And
most polling statewide here says somewhere around 15 weeks. Most
people think is reasonable. What they think is unreasonable is
abortions in the third trimester. And Democrats writ
large are for that. We're not we're not for that.
>> So I'm sorry, may I just for one second, because most of the
propaganda sorry, most of the information that comes out of
the Republicans, including the project 2025, calls for the 14th
amendment to see fetuses as persons.
means all abortions ban, no matter what it means an end to
IVF, and it means your birth control is coming under attack.
Support for IVF is in agenda 47 and without a doubt they can.
They can say, why didn't they pass it when it was on the table
in the Senate? >> Well, it's now the party
platform. about may not have much of an
issue. >> Well, I think it will I think
Republicans will run on it. >> So I want to bring you back
to 2014 post ten. Scott Walker is running for reelection. And
he has said over and over to the media, I will not sign a bill
that does right to work because it will never reach my desk. His
promise was, we don't have to worry about that issue coming up
because it'll never make my desk. Well, he couldn't control
the legislature. The legislature passes right to work
legislation, and he immediately signs it. Is there a comparison
to Donald Trump saying, well, I don't have to worry about a
national abortion ban because it won't get there or are you
saying, well, there's not enough votes? It couldn't get through a
filibuster when there are ways for legislation to make it to a
president's desk, do you honestly believe Donald Trump
somehow got to his desk? >> I would say there are ways to
make sure it doesn't get to his desk. One of the tricks we used
in the Thompson administration is we told allies, get it to our
desk and we'll sign it, knowing full well we could kill it and
they would never know. So I don't think there's any chance
it could get to his desk for a couple of different reasons.
Number one, we're going to have a different majority leader. We
don't know who that's going to be. It won't be Mitch McConnell
that's already been decided. Mike Johnson may or may not
survive as speaker. My guess is he's had a better couple of
months. I thought he had a rough start, but I don't see him
pushing it through their their Congress either. So the chances
of something like that getting to his desk are, are slim and
none in my opinion. >> Doesn't a new majority leader
make it more likely that they could carve out a filibuster
issue for abortion? >> Absolutely.
>> There's two parts to this. The first part is, and I'll
address what people are saying about what he and Governor
Thompson were able to do to stymie legislation. The project
2025 has an entire component of how administratively, the
executive branch can ban abortion. Everything from, you
know, the morning after pill to a whole slew of things, if the
majority want, you know, if the if the executive wants to do
this, it's going to only be able to do it because they've always
been able to do it. And guess what? We've seen what happens if
it goes to the Supreme Court. Trump gets his way with the
Trump Supreme Court. Simple as that. And so the second part of
the I'm sorry, the second part of that question is, you know, I
believe if the Republicans take control of the Senate this time
with Trump in the white House and the House in control of
Republicans, the filibuster is gone. It's gone. As Mitch
McConnell will be from leadership. It's as simple as
that. They've changed the rules whenever they don't like the
rules. that changed the rules, but
allowed the Supreme Court Justices Mitch McConnell is the
one who changed it, ended the filibuster.
>> He changed Supreme Court. >> Reid changed it because there
were nominees to the cabinet who were being delayed for years and
years and years. And let's just let's just talk about that delay
here. Ron Johnson helped Republicans delay a so there's
the Supreme Court, and then there's the Court of Appeals,
where in the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, Ron Johnson
helped the Republicans stop an appointment, an opening that
came in Obama's first year from being filled by Trump. 3046
days, that, you know, that, open and then, you know, they filled
it with, speaking of Scott Walker's old lawyer, filled that
position. And so that's if the rules are inconvenient, they
dispense with the rules through all means necessary. Again, it's
not, you know, they're not playing show friends.
though. Your word is all you have in politics, it's your only
currency. So if the former governor made that promise, he
wouldn't sign it. Then he should have vetoed it. That would have
ensured his reelection in 2018, because the unions turned
against him in 2018. >> What he said was, I won't
have to make that choice. It'll never make my desk. He avoided
having to say said something stronger than that directly to
the union bosses behind closed doors.
>> And then it got to him and he changed his position.
>> So, you know, the Republican Party idea, ideological
consistency is the hobgoblin of the small minded.
>> I want to look forward to tonight. Eric Hovde has a
speaking slot early in the evening. Let's talk about this
race, because there was new polling from WMC that came out
today that showed the Baldwin Hovde race and dead even, right.
It showed Trump up by a good number outside the margin.
>> Yeah, outside the margin in for Wisconsin.
is tied because everything before this poll had at least
shown Baldwin ahead and around the swing states, we'd see dem
incumbents ahead of their Republican challengers. Even
with Biden tied or down, I would be surprised if it's tied.
>> And that's not a knock on Eric Hovde Orr's campaign. I
think it's still a little early to be tied against an incumbent.
I think one of the things your viewers need to understand is
zero incumbent United States senators lost in 2022. It is one
of the hardest seats to win, to beat an incumbent is one of the
hardest things to do in politic. So Tammy Baldwin has some built
in advantages. Having said that, I believe Joe Biden is going to
have an undertow and pull her down a few points. The question
is whether he pulls her below 50 and gives Eric Hovde a chance to
win. I don't think the race is tied, but I think it's getting
closer all the time. >> I think, you know, Tammy
Baldwin has always run great campaigns and Tammy Baldwin has
always won. And like in 2018, you know, when Tony Evers won by
like what, half a percent or whatever it was, 27,000, 21,000,
27,000 votes. She won by 11 points. You know, so even if
Biden gets across the finish line in Wisconsin, but it's just
as close. You know, I think Tammy prevails. There's no doubt
about it. I will say this. I you know, shameless self-plug. I was
at the gymnasium at one point yesterday and the TVs in
Milwaukee here, nonstop ads against Tammy, you know, both
Hovde and the in some independent, some pro petroleum
independent like it was nonstop on the TV screens. So they're
spending the lights out. But we expect that I mean, you know,
one of the superPACs is controlled by Hovde brother, for
God's sakes. Like so that's you know, this is a, you know, a guy
who owns a $3 billion California bank, who has a $7 million
seaside, California home, who's coming to Wisconsin to try and,
you know, it's basically out of state interests are trying to
put an out of state guy in the Wisconsin Senate seat. Welcome
to politics. I think the well, I think it's going to fail. Just
like Tim Michaels did. >> She's a tough out. I will
give her credit. She's a hard campaigner. I think we're in a
very different situation than we are in 2018. The thing she has
going for her right now, I haven't read the cross tabs of
the WMC poll is she's currently getting about 5% of Trump's
supporters. So your viewers are their eyes are probably popping
out of their head when I said that. But there are some Baldwin
Trump supporters in the state of Wisconsin for Eric Hovde. She
can't have any. He has to get all of the Trump voters. And I
think from this point forward, he's got to let people know
they're together. They're aligned on policy. And once that
happens, then I think there will be a true condensing of the
race. >> And I think the second I'm
sorry, I think the second advantage that that Tammy has in
beyond her campaigning is the fact that Eric Hovde is in the
race. This is a guy who insulted, you know, he said that
we'll raise health care prices on people who are above a
certain weight. He said that farmers are lazy and they just
quote unquote, drive tractors. He insulted single moms and said
that they're the cause of poverty. You know, over and over
again, this guy keeps stuffing his silver foot in his silver
mouth, and it is a challenge for him.
Tammy Baldwin is she has incredible political instincts.
So what can we read from that when she's the other end of the
state? When Joe Biden came to Madison after his debate?
>> Well, to me, I want to I'll address that because again, when
you're running a campaign and you've been through this and
I've been through this, you know, you don't turn it. If you
have a northern swing, you don't just put that together. It takes
weeks and weeks to put some of that stuff together. It's very
clear that she was doing that. >> But her optics, what she
says. saying. I understand what you're
saying. And like again, Tammy has and I think I said this
yesterday, Tammy has never been somebody to be the rah rah.
Let's get all the Democrats, you know, out there. It's my job to
make sure her job is to get elected. Her job is to support
us in Congress, and she's done that, you know, and she gets the
job done. And it's not her job to do the rah rah and the and
the fire breathing. So she wasn't there. Again. People can
own conclusions, get their own conclusions from that. But she
supports Joe Biden. She said it over and over.
>> The optics are obvious, right. She had access to a
plane. She could have been there if she wanted to. She chose not
to be there. I get why, as a former campaign manager, I would
put my guy or lady on the stage with the president if they were
popular or if they helped me, and I think she made the same
calculation and decided he's underwater. He's not helping me.
He's probably going to drag me down a few points. So we'll see
more over the next 112 days. Biden's going to be here
multiple times. He ought to assume Vice President Harris
will be here. Does Tammy Baldwin show up at any of those, I'm
guessing no, she doesn't. She's going to try and stay separate
from them so that she can maintain a few of those Trump
Baldwin voters out there. >> Right now. The schedule says
Hovde is outside the prime time slot. So is this just the
hometown guy getting a shot to address the crowd in inside
Fiserv? is.
video. You know, to raise money to introduce himself to more
voters. So it's all if you're on the stage, there are ways to use
it. >> So one other thing that came
out yesterday has to do with Assembly Speaker Robin Vos. And
we've been talking about this earlier with the recall
elections against him. You said there would be an eye popping
number coming up for what he had raised, and it was $600,000,
$500,000 came from Liz Uihlein. >> Still, I don't want to think.
I don't want to say that I think of think of you early in the
morning. But when that came across on my thing, the report
about it, I thought of you. I missed it, I yeah, but I called
it. >> Right. You did. You said five
eye popping number. >> That is an eye popping number
for a legislative candidate that's off the charts. So what
does he do with that? Is he just going to run all the Assembly
campaigns himself against the Dems? Yeah.
so that he can do that. I mean again it's one of those things.
Again, the Republicans changed the finance law. They changed
the campaign finance laws and they changed the coordination
laws. In 2015, after Scott Walker, Robin Vos and Fitzgerald
were all under investigation for potential violations of
collusion, which Ben Wikler and Democrats have benefited from
for more than far more than Republicans have.
>> Yeah, absolutely. >> So again, they you know, they
changed that. And, you know, the other thing that Vos changed is
he changed that you could coordinate with so-called
you're not doing, you know, as long as you're not doing,
express advocacy. That's huge. I'm trying to put my hat on my
old world of express advocacy versus direct advocacy. His wife
happens to run, you know, be the bag person for one of those, the
one that supports assembly Republicans.
money? Where do you see that? And is he going to strategically
pick his. We know that he picks who he wants to run, and a lot
of these seats, if you don't run the race that you need to run,
you're not going to get the committee. You want. I mean, he
runs the assembly. Yeah. So how does he use that money to
continue that he can use it to support candidates so Democrats
should pick up seats in the >> I think based on the new
maps, there's no way they don't pick up seats. Frankly they're
going to pick up some automatically. But as the
polling changes, if Trump really is up six points in Wisconsin
and that's the best we've seen so far, others have it at 3 or
4, that potentially puts more legislative seats down, ballot
in play for Robin Vos. And it probably protects a couple for
Devin LeMahiue and the state Senate majority leader that he
didn't think he could get. Green Bay and La Crosse being the two.
>> I mean, I'm going to agree with Bill if Biden's poll
numbers dip in Wisconsin turn don't think it affects the
Senate race, but I do think it affects state legislative races.
And I'll just ask, speculate, maybe Robin Vos will do a
lobbying campaign to have the Supreme Court library, you know,
since we had that dust up about that, he can have it renamed
after Mike Gableman. >> I don't think that's going to
happen. David Prosser. Yes. >> All right. Thank you. We will
leave it there for today. Scott Thanks, man.
happy 99th birthday. >> 99th, same birthday.
>> Bill Kumpf Bryan Schimming had a birthday today too?
>> It's a birthday is World War two vet 99.
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