Good afternoon and welcome to Chicago, host city for the
Democratic National Convention. of ""Here& Now" 2024 election
coverage. We're coming to you live from Media Row in the
United Center in downtown Chicago. I'm senior political
reporter Zach Schultz and joined, as always, by our
esteemed colleagues, Bill McCoshen and Scot Ross. You've
switched sides today, confusing everybody, including me. But
thanks for being here. >> We won't be arguing each
other's points, though. >> Great point. Thankfully, I
would hate to hear what that would sound like. Last night
President Joe Biden came here. He made what may be his farewell
address to the last primetime audience he would have liked to
have been on Thursday night, but he was on Monday night. Scott,
listening to the tone of the speech it reminded me of. That's
that's the that's the tone he's taken all along. It was very
dark. It was very foreboding. It was all focused on Donald Trump.
There was a lot of anger on the stage, and it's completely
different from what we've heard. Kamala Harris, what was your
impression of the speech? >> Well, I thought that it was
the perfect political capstone to a 50 year career of public
service. Joe Biden did a great job. He laid out what the stakes
are. And I thought that what was most telling and I think the
difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, if we're going to
talk about differences, was how he reacted to his daughter being
up there, introducing him. Ashley Ashley Biden dab,
literally dabbing tears from his eyes because he is such a family
man, so proud of his family. And, you know, I felt myself I
might get choked up because that sort of commitment to your
family and you contrast with Trump. I don't think Joe Biden
was angry. I think Joe Biden was making the case he needs to
make, which is these are what the stakes are. This is why
I've, you know, decided to put country first and I don't I
think the speech hit a great tone. I think it I think it hit
the perfect tone and I think he did a great job. And he had it
coming. And I said last night, or I said yesterday on the show
that I thought he would get the second longest applause. I'm
going to revise that. I say that that 11 minutes that he got of
applause from the grateful Democrats is going to be the
longest applause of the thing, only because they so respect
what Joe Biden did for the country.
take from the speech? >> So this whole convention is
supposed to be about joy, right? This was a joyless speech last
night. I agree with you, Zach. I think it was dark. I think it
was angry. Where I disagree with my friend Scott is I think it
was a missed opportunity for Joe Biden. Here's a guy who's been
on the stage, the public stage for 52 years. If I'm him or his
aides, I'm I want that to be a legacy speech. He had two
objectives last night from a political standpoint. One was to
advance Kamala Harris's campaign. The other was his
legacy. I don't think he hit either of those in his speech
last night. So I think it was a missed opportunity. I think it
could have been more hopeful. It could have talked about his
career. I think the close was right where he said, I did the
best. I could. That was a good line, but I think the whole
speech could have been along those lines of, here's what I
did. And people could have left with a very good feeling.
Outsiders like me or independents left there with a
very sour taste in their mouth, because he appeared angry and
bitter about this, you know, the whole transition to a different
candidate. So I think it was a missed opportunity overall.
>> Whether you you agree with the tone difference or not, from
what you heard from President Biden, there is a dramatic
difference between him and Kamala Harris. And their
messaging and approach to this election is that account for the
enthusiasm shift that we've seen since Kamala became the standard
bearer? >> Well, I think in part I mean,
again, you know, Joe Biden saw saw the writing on the wall in
terms of the fact that people were questioning whether or not
it was time for a new generation. And he answered that
call and said, yes, I'm going to put country first. I'm going to
do that. I have to disagree. I just I think there were four
sort of four things. If I can get to all of them. You know,
the first thing, it was the families, the beginning, the
middle and the end. Are you ready to vote for freedom and
democracy? This, I think, was important. You can't always you
can't only agree with your country when you win. And I
think the last thing and I think that, you know, as a, as a
Republican, you know, as a Republican who worked for Tommy
Thompson, I think you would love this one, which is how can you
have a strong economy if you don't have a strong
infrastructure? And again, putting all the, you know,
putting all the cards on the table of what Joe Biden and
Kamala Harris did to save America and rebuild it and bring
message for him. I totally understand why Republicans would
want to say this was an angry speech. This wasn't the right
tone. I think it was the tone for the people who needed to
hear it, to remind that there is, you know, this this is the
most important election of our lifetime. There's a reason why
I've made the choice I've made, and there's a reason why you, as
a voter, have to make the choice you need to make, which is to
elect Kamala Harris. Yeah. >> The bigger issue may be the
stage management of this. Joe Biden didn't go on until 1028
Central Time last night. That's 1128 Eastern time. One of two
things happened. Either all the previous speakers, speakers went
longer than they were supposed to, and or Joe Biden's staff
didn't push hard enough. He should have been in prime time
if you were the nominee 30 days ago, you're no longer the
nominee tonight. That should have been one of the
requirements of stepping off the stage or stepping to the side is
I am speaking in prime time. He didn't get that opportunity last
night. So the question is why is that?
bit about the difference between Kamala Harris and her joyful
warrior messaging that has been pushed by every Democrat we've
been speaking to all week long. That is clearly the theme that
she is pushing, which is a striking difference between Joe
Biden and herself. Does that matter when it comes to she's
got the same policies as the Biden agenda. She's attached to
those. So for Democrats, is that the difference between her
enthusiasm gap? Is that just the tone, that the message was the
same, but it just needed a brighter, happy ending?
>> I think. So I think that you I think you hit on that, and I
think if you looked at the speakers last night, there was a
lot of tongue in cheek stuff like, you know, Sean Fain, the
head of the UAW, replicating basically the, you know, Hulk
Hogan tearing his shirt off where he shows a shirt that says
Donald Trump is a scab. You know, Jasmine Crockett, the
representative from Texas who said Kamala Harris has a resume.
Donald Trump has a rap sheet. So I think there was a lot of
tongue in cheek. There was also very serious. And I think we'll
get to that stuff. Some of those speakers were very, very serious
about what the real stakes in this election could be,
especially for women in America, but I think it was the right
tone. Again you can't do the same thing all the time. You got
to have like, you know, ebb and flow and that's why people tune
in. And I think that they did a good job. Sure, I would have
liked to see it a little bit earlier. I think the people who
wanted to get out to the after parties might have wanted a
little bit earlier, but it was worth the wait for Republicans.
>> They're probably happy that it's the same policies that they
can tie her to, but the campaign messaging does make a difference
in how people perceive those policies.
>> It totally does. Most of the time, voters vote on issues, but
a certain segment of voters, they go on likability, right?
And tone has a lot to do with that. I've been encouraging
Donald Trump to be nicer and to be more optimistic, to be more
optimistic. I think there's a certain segment of voters that
are attracted to that. Right. I think presidential elections are
very, very serious. I agree with my friend Scott about that. But
there are times when you can be joyful and hopeful and smile and
crack jokes that that's attractive to a certain number
of voters. And I would encourage both sides to continue along
that line. I think the sledgehammer politics people are
getting tired of on both sides. >> So this morning, Congressman
Gwen Moore, from representing the Milwaukee area for the
Democrats, spoke to the breakfast delegation. When I
spoke with her after that meeting, we talked a little bit
about some of that messaging about the Inflation Reduction
Act or the infrastructure plan. And she said Democrats need to
stop talking with those acronyms and needed to talk about insulin
prices and need to talk about lead pipe removal. Do the
Democrats have the right message when it comes to we were talking
about inflation yesterday, about battling the, the perception
that voters have about whether those things are tied to their
policies or Trump's policies. >> I mean, I think you can talk
about the specifics of the issue in Wisconsin. We can talk about
$7 billion in, in in funding to build roads, to build bridges to
repair things, you know, to make Wisconsin be able to do
business. You know the fact that we have a new tech hub, $49
million for a biotech hub. The fact that, you know, under
Trump, we got Foxconn under Governor Evers and Joe Biden and
Kamala Harris, we got a $3.3 billion AI facility for
Microsoft. I mean, I think that you do need to talk about those
those investments in a way that people can understand. I know
this bridge was built by the, you know, by the, you know, by
Joe Biden. And Kamala Harris. I think you have to do those
things. You know, acronyms are you know, it's an easy way to,
you know, easy way to remember some things. But again, that's
the thing. Like you can't, you know, somebody said, never
underestimate the people, the people's intelligence, but never
overestimate their interest in politics.
their voters perception is politicians reality or
candidates reality. That's a fact. They don't understand the
bridge, how it impacts them necessarily. They may not
understand the Microsoft I facility down in Racine County,
if they don't live close by and aren't working there, or don't
have any friends or family that are working there, you got to
make it real for them. And right now, most voters, if you walk
anywhere in Chicago, if you ask them, you know, are they better
off today than they were four years ago? I think most would
say no. And that's what Democrats are lacking here is
how do they message directly to voters and say somehow all these
programs they passed are working for them?
to say. Four years ago, we were right in the middle of Covid.
We've heard that over and over. So how do Republicans they're
just trying to skip five years ago, why does it just Trump
change the timeline if he wants to forget about Covid existing?
>> Well, I think that's part of it. I mean, Covid impacted
everybody, but it reflected the now trying to pin on Joe Biden.
>> Right? were lower. The inflation under
Donald Trump was under 2%. It at its lowest, which is today, it's
about 3% or 2.5 for Joe Biden. So even at its lowest point in
the four year cycle, it's higher today than it was under Donald
Trump. >> There was a you know, there
was a pent up need to do commerce, which is what led the
inflation. We talked about this yesterday. Also the profiteering
of big oil companies and big food. You know, we did our part
by investing in the American, the inflation Reduction Act. The
companies did what they always do, which is put profits before
the American people. And again, I think, you know, just to go
back to one thing about tone, yes, you do want to have the
idea that you're in, you know, their happiness to this. And
there is joy and there is freedom. But there's also the
slogan that Kamala Harris has used, which is when we fight, we
win. And it's important because you have to stand up for the
things that you believe in. I think that's what Democrats are
doing, and that includes investing in things that help
the middle class, as opposed to $2 trillion in tax breaks for
rich people. And corporations, which is what Donald Trump did.
And 5 trillion more what he'd do in a second term.
>> So one of the other speakers last night was Wisconsin
lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez. She was on stage for
a short time. She's not well known. Is this a moment for her
to increase her profile in Wisconsin? Because she wasn't
Tony Evers first lieutenant governor? That was Mandela
Barnes. She came in late. Can she make a name for herself
within the Wisconsin bench? >> Oh, absolutely. And what is
her message? I mean, she you know, she is a nurse. She lived
health care. Health care is on the ballot. Abortion is on the
ballot. Being that, you know, being that voice for Wisconsin
as our highest ranking woman in state government, I think is a
fabulous place for her to be. You know, it's why we see her
over here. It's why she was on last night. It's why she's going
to be a leader in Wisconsin for some time to come.
>> Scott and I got a chance to talk to her before the show
today. She was sitting over here, and I think she'll be one
of many potential Democratic candidates. If Governor Evers
decides not to seek a third term. So I'm sitting on this
show today as the only campaign manager for a successful third
term candidate, Tommy Thompson, in 1994. It's never been done
before or since, I don't know that Governor Evers is going to
run for a third term. If he does, he would be considered the
favorite. More than likely, depending on what happens in the
white House. But if he doesn't run, I think Sarah Rodriguez I
think the mayor of Milwaukee, Cavalier Johnson, who is
speaking tomorrow, I think David Crowley is another name and
potentially Secretary of State Sarah Godlewski. So they have
other people that are considering it. But I like I
like our bench too. >> So since we've opened up the
door to Evers third term, what are your thoughts on whether he
should or could run again? >> Oh, I certainly think
Governor Evers should run again. He has had a phenomenal first
term and a half. I think he has done everything to bring
Wisconsin back and also be a check on the unbelievably
extremist, reactionary, right wing Wisconsin legislature. I
think that's going to change a little bit in terms of, you
know, after after 2024 and the elections. But yeah, I
absolutely think Governor Evers should run again. And
politically it's smart because incumbents usually win.
>> If we're going to talk about benches though, the Republican
bench so far has been millionaires. Who can self-fund
is that the future? >> I don't think so. I think if
Eric Hovde doesn't beat Tammy Baldwin, that Republicans will
move on from sort of the rich candidate style and go with
somebody who's sort of more from the grassroots and, and has more
fire in the belly. So, you know, I wish Hovde the best and hope
he can pull it off this fall. But I think that model, if we go
for two with Tim Michaels and Hovde Republicans will move on
from that and go back to somebody elected, maybe somebody
like Josh Schulman, the Washington County Executive, the
most grassroots oriented servant that the Republicans had was
Rebecca Kleefisch. >> And they threw her out in the
primary. For a guy who lived in Connecticut, and my wife lives
in Washington County and that county executive, you know, he
might be good for the Republicans, but I don't think
he's going to win a statewide record, a statewide race, once
you get his record out there about what's happened in
Washington County. >> All right. Let's move on to
what we're going to hear about tonight, former President Barack
Obama is going to be speaking. Scott, what is his legacy or
what is his reputation today? We know what President Biden was
speaking about. We know what we expect to hear from Kamala
Harris. But when you hear Obama today, what does he resonate
especially for young voters who, like, he may just be kind of a
myth to some of those people that weren't actively involved
in 2008. >> I mean, listen, I'm a I'm a
I'm a President Obama fanboy. I am wearing a tan suit and a gray
tie like he did that was so controversial when the, you
know, remember the days when things were so unserious that we
could care about the president wearing a tan suit in the white
House in that same suit? Yeah, exactly. I mean, obviously he
wears it better than I do. That's for sure, but no, I mean,
he has a legacy of helping turn this country around after the
eight years of the George Bush administration, where we were at
two endless wars, the economy was in the toilet, millions were
losing their jobs, millions were losing their homes. And through
the policies of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, we
have turned that corner for sure.
Obama today? Would they would they want to go back to that
era, or are they happy to have him in the background? We don't
consider Harris in the same category as Obama.
last eight years is Barack Obama is still running the Democratic
Party. Whether it was making sure that Hillary Clinton was
the nominee in 2020 or helping with James Clyburn to make sure
that Joe Biden was the candidate in 24, or pushing Joe Biden off
the stage in in 2020, excuse me, or pushing Biden off the stage
in 24. Barack Obama's hands are all over. All three of those big
moves. He and Nancy Pelosi are the arms and legs of the
Democratic Party, and he's still a young man, so I expect him to
continue in that role for some time.
solicitations that you get, if you're on a Republican list,
that have Barack Obama's picture in it, or Nancy Pelosi's picture
and their name is a very clear sign of what the Republican
Party thinks that its base wants and it's, you know, attacking
people who aren't white men. It's as simple as that.
>> The other Obama that is going to be speaking tonight is
Michelle Obama, Barack's wife, famously said, when they go low,
we go high. In retrospect, was that the right message for the
time or does it apply today? >> I think it was exactly the
right message for Michelle Obama, you know, and I think it
helped, you know, it reminded people that, like, we are at the
end, we can disagree, but we are people, you know, but things
have got a little bit different. You know, Donald Trump is a
president like we have never had in American history. And the
fealty and fecklessness of the Republican Party to roll over to
this man and the racism and the hostility and the corruption,
you know, has has befouled our political system. And so I think
that there is a different message now than we go high.
When they go low, we go high. And I think it's when we fight,
we win. >> I would say I liked how Scott
distinguished there. That may have been the right message for
Michelle Obama at the time. Joe Biden didn't go high last night.
He went very low. And I don't think Obama will do the same
thing tonight. I think he'll be a little more hopeful. We'll se.
But I think he wants to start to set the stage for Kamala Harris
on Thursday night. >> Absolutely. So also tonight,
Kamala Harris is in Wisconsin. >> She is trying to reclaim the
Fiserv center for Democratic Theater. What are you expecting
from that? And what is the impact of having her back in
Wisconsin while the United Center is hosting the DNC?
>> I mean, I think it just shows, again, the impact that we
in the state of Wisconsin will have on this election, on the
future of the country, not just now, but for the next couple
generations, because if we go, we won't go back. But if for
some reason we went back, you know, the democracy will cease
as we know it. Donald Trump has promised to be a dictator on day
one. He has decided to throw out the Constitution. If he's in
there, and he is a very, very dangerous, as dangerous as he
was in 2016, you know, and Hillary Clinton reminded us of
that last night, he is even more dangerous eight years later,
because, again, when he lost an election, he sent his minions to
the Capitol to try and violently overthrow the results of a
Democratic decided election. >> In terms of the optics of the
thing, the thing that drives the Trump campaign and Donald Trump
specifically nuts, is images of full arenas for Kamala Harris.
What's it going to do to him if she's got a full packed Fiserv?
>> I don't know that she will, but if she does, good for her. I
don't think that matters. And if you follow me on Twitter, I've
encouraged the Trump campaign to stop focusing on that because
voters don't care. They don't care if you have ten people at a
rally or 10,000 people at a rally. To a degree, it shows
momentum for your campaign. But if people are coming to your
rally, they're for you. They're not coming as undecideds. Right?
So I don't know that that's a great measuring stick to how the
campaign is doing either side. agree that Bill is giving Trump
should listen to Bill on this. Arguing about crowd size is a no
brainer. Like, for instance, if I said, you know, there's going
to be a capacity crowd in Fiserv. There's been a capacity
crowd here in United Center. J.D. Vance was in Kenosha today,
and there were a hundred people there. So he could talk about
crime, representing a ticket that has 34 felony convictions.
>> So speaking of JD Vance in Kenosha, how how important is I
mean, Kenosha is one of those tipping point counties in
Wisconsin. Oh, for sure. It's key. It's getting redder every
every cycle. Is it still 2020. And the riots. Is that still
what resonates there? And is that what JD Vance is trying to
pull back into people's minds? >> I didn't get a chance to hear
the press conference today, but that's his third trip to
Wisconsin in the past ten days, >> based on some conversations,
Governor Thompson and I have had with the Trump campaign, I
expect to see the former president in Wisconsin at least
four times over the final 77 days of the campaign, but I
think we might see Vance a dozen times. Wisconsin is a tipping
point. I think we're going to see Harris many more times other
than tonight at the Fiserv forum. I suspect her and Walls
will go separately and we'll see. Walls in Western Wisconsin,
where he's got some name ID based on being the governor of
Minnesota. So I think this might be the cycle where we have more
visits than any time in history. >> So speaking of Kenosha and
those riots, that was actually the genesis of Kyle Rittenhouse
becoming a household name. You had some observations today
about Kyle Rittenhouse and then Crystal DeKeyser, who was a
woman who was sex trafficked as a minor, who ended up coming
back and killing her abuser and was sentenced. What are your
thoughts on how those two formulate into Kenosha, into
Wisconsin an election in today's cultural and political
environment? >> It is a you know, it is a
reminder that our justice system doesn't have justice for all.
And you can say what you want about, like Crystal Keyser and
her actions. But the fact is, is that Kyle Rittenhouse came up
from Kenosha or came up from Illinois, shot two people in
cold blood, wounded. A third was let go. Crystal Keyser attacked
her sex trafficker and got 11 years in prison from a Scott
Walker appointed judge. This is you know, it just shows again
the disparity in justice, which is why the uprisings happened
with Kenosha, with Minnesota in the first place, because of the
killing of unarmed black men and black women and the fact that
people had said, enough is enough, and we're going to start
talking about this. >> I'm not here to defend Kyle
Rittenhouse, but I do know that he was tried and acquitted by a
jury, right? He it didn't get erased. He went through a
process. We would all hope we would get faced with the same
situation. So, I think crime is going to be a selling point. Tim
Walz does have some culpability of what happened in Minneapolis.
He doesn't have any culpability in Kenosha, but that's still a
very raw nerve for a lot of voters in Kenosha of what
happened, particularly business that was burned down. So I think
there are a lot of people who say the government didn't do
enough to defend us during that time. Before the people like
Kyle Rittenhouse sort of took matters into their own hands. So
they will be looking to hold. I think Tim Walz accountable for
that. >> I mean, I think that's the
contrast, though. You know, Governor Evers mobilized the
National Guard within 24 hours of when the shooting happened in
Kenosha, Ron Johnson, Senator Ron Johnson, Representative
Brian Steil, Representative Derrick Van Orden all praised
the verdict and said, Leave Kyle Rittenhouse alone. But when
Trump was convicted of 34 crimes, they suddenly said that
the justice system shouldn't exist. That's again how it
works. bring us to the protests here,
and we have not yet addressed the Palestinian Israeli war and
the issues that that brings to the Democratic Party. Yesterday
there were protests outside. There were not quite the 20,000
that police were warning us could be there, but there were
some violent interactions. There were some people arrested.
Barriers were torn down. It definitely impacted people's
Delegates to the floor. Scott, what is the impact of these
protests here and what is the internal conflict for the
Democratic Party in trying to handle this issue?
>> I don't think it's an internal conflict. I think it's
you know, Kamala Harris has said, like, I'm willing to
listen to what people have to say. Kamala Harris wants to
wants a ceasefire. Kamala Harris wants the hostages to be
returned. You know, that's the policy. I think what happens is,
is you've got a very divisive leader like Benjamin Netanyahu,
who comes over while there are American hostages and is
genuflecting before the partisan political events.
That's what the challenge is. That's why people are, you know,
this is this is just not this just isn't right. It doesn't
pass the smell test. That guy should have been over trying to
get the hostages back, not coming over here to try and
support Donald Trump. >> I think that was the worst
part of the Biden speech last night. I thought he put fuel on
the fire on this whole thing. He said they have a point, meaning
the protesters outside. He never mentioned Israel, not once. He
never mentioned the hostages, not once. I mean, yeah, we
should get those hostages and then discuss a ceasefire. Not
before, but the reality is Democratic Party is trying to
straddle the fence between the Palestinian supporters and try
and pretend to be pro-Israel, which they used to be, Joe Biden
missed that mark completely last night, and I thought he gave
fuel to the Palestinian fire. >> I mean, the thing is, you
know, in April 12th, 2003, 2000 Israelis marched in Nazareth to
protest George Bush's actions with the Gulf War. It didn't
mean that those that Israel was suddenly anti-america. It meant
that people were expressing themselves to ensure that their
voices are heard in controversial things. And this
is a controversy. There are two sides to this issue, and people
have to have the right to have their have their, voice heard. I
left the convention yesterday and happened to walk through
part of that. I did have somebody, a couple people come
up to me and were like, are you a delegate? And I was like,
actually, I'm with the media here. And they're like, okay.
And which I actually thought that, you know, if it was the
media, I would have gotten a little bit more heat for it.
But, you know, the protests happened. I'm guessing that
there will there will continue to be. But I think other than a
little bit of trouble, people getting in and out is basically
what's happened here. peaceful for everybody involved
in the convention and the city of Chicago. I think it would be
a very bad look for the city moving forward. And ideally
there is a huge police presence here which which I like and
that's what if it all stays peaceful.
he basically led his speech off last night by saying there is no
place for political violence in America. He was right. Bill is
right. I think I'm right on that, too.
with Palestinian protesters in some of her speeches. How much
do you think the campaign is focused on what may happen from
the floor Thursday night, and what are the optics if she has
to shut down a protest during her nomination acceptance
speech? that. You know, it's a I've been
out there in the States like it's hard to hear, you know, I
mean, I don't know how you're gonna get your voice right, you
know? But I'm sure she'll deal with it with grace and respect
and dignity in the way that she's conducted her campaign.
>> I think the rest of the guests will sort of self-police
that if there tries to be a disruption in the hall, whether
it was at the RNC or the DNC, I think the rest of the delegation
sort of handles that themselves. >> So one of the things that
broke today is the Wisconsin Supreme Court has issued a not a
decision. They've said that they're going to hold oral
arguments in October on the Lemieux versus Evers lawsuit,
which is the lawsuit that would seek to overturn Tony Evers 400
year veto in the last budget, having to do with school
funding. And this is a complete switch from the politics here.
Wisconsin. What do you think about those oral arguments and
that happening right in the lead up to the election, when this is
another reflection on Evers and his priorities versus you know,
>> Well, I'll tell you this. If the discussion in state politics
in Wisconsin is about a guy who wants to fund public education
in a party like the Democrats who want to fund public
education, and the party of the Republicans who want to keep
funding, who want to keep funding away, to give it to rich
people in tax breaks. I'm fine with that.
peculiar. I mean, obviously the Supreme Court is now at Vance
Evers on any major decision. I'm not sure why they would want to
raise that unless they think that somehow it works for Evers.
But I think most voters would say a 400 year veto. That's not
right. >> So one of the other things
that I do want to touch on, we've got a couple minutes here.
Let's go through some of the congressional races in
Wisconsin. We're going to hit it yesterday. But we had so much
good conversation. The third is obviously the big toss up.
Derrick Van Orden had a run in with a Code Pink protester at
the RNC. Police video later showed that it was the most
minor of bumps ever. Does that play in the fall? Does that
still matter? >> I don't think I mean, I think
it builds into I think it builds into Derrick Van Norton's
reputation as an unhinged embarrassment to the state of
Wisconsin. Every time he opens his mouth, it embarrasses the
state of Wisconsin. The stunts, whether it's attacking an LGBTQ
librarian you know, a teen librarian over the fact that
they had LGBTQ books, and a guy who went and then checked all
those books out so that nobody could get them. You know what he
did in the Capitol rotunda in terms of attacking teenage
Senate pages in a drunken, you know, in a drunken, rampage,
maybe that's a little strong, maybe a little strong. But he
did it. And again, the way that this all works, Bryan Steil is
withholding the video of that and will not release it will not
release the Capitol video of that. When a Democrat last year
pulled a fire alarm, that video somehow got out two weeks later.
It's been over a year. Bryan Steil release the van Orton
videos. for your viewers so they
understand the congressional maps did not change, only the
legislative maps changed. This is a 5,657% Republican seat.
Donald Trump has won it twice. Derrick Van Orden is the
favorite. I'm proud to support a seven time combat vet who's a
Navy Seal. If you ask any farmer in Western Wisconsin what they
think about Derrick Van Orden, they're going to say he's our
guy, that he's our guy. >> Well, I look forward to the
Republicans praising Tim Walz for his record because they you
know, Pooh poohed 24 years and claimed that he was doing stolen
valor, for God's sakes. >> And Van Norden's been leading
the charge on that online because it's true.
>> He he did make he's embellished his record what his
final rank was, whether or not he served in combat. Combat.
It's easy to prove. Did you ever receive combat pay? Yes or no?
His answer has to be no. >> He never claimed to be in
combat. He only did the third. And again, it's a roll. It is a
rolling standard because at first Derrick Van Orton and the
Republicans were attacking Governor Walz because his
because his troop. Because he can't teach, because his
anymore. Because his his troops went to Iraq.
>> After he pulled the chute five months after he said he was
going to after he's going to retire in September the year
before, according to his commanding officer, that they
were going to deploy. >> All right. That was the
third. We still have more congressional districts to get
to. Fortunately, we still have more time this week. We will be
back tomorrow. Bill Scott, thank you for today. I promise we'll
have more time for that tomorrow. I appreciate that, and
be sure that you come back tomorrow. You'll find us here
each day this week and tune in to PBS evening coverage of the
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day's events. And finally join us on Friday to wrap up the week
with a special one hour presentation of here and Now,
starting at 7 p.m. I'm Zach Schultz, have a great day. Thank
you so much for joining us. And hopefully we'll see you back
here tomorrow.