% AND NO IMPACT ON THE NOVEMBER 8
% ELECTION.
% >> Frederica: IN THE FINAL
% RUN-UP TO THE NOVEMBER 8
% ELECTION, PRESIDENT JILL BIDEN
% TOOK IN THE AIRWAVES TO DECRY
% THE POLITICAL VIOLENCE SAYING
% THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN
% FUELED THE CAPITAL INSURRECTION
% AND THE RECENT ATTACK ON NANCY
% PELOSI'S HUSBAND.
% >> IT'S A LIE THAT FUELED THE
% RISE IN VIOLENCE AND VOTER
% INTIMIDATION IN THE PAST TWO
% YEARS.
% >> Frederica: IS THERE A DIRECT
% LINE FROM DISINFORMATION TO
% VOTER INTIMIDATION AND POLITICAL
% VIOLENCE WE MISINFORMATION WITH
% EXPERT ON POLITICAL
% COMMUNICATION MIKE WAGNER ALSO
% ENGAGED IN RESEARCH ON THE
% TOPIC.
% THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
% >> MY PLEASURE.
% >> Frederica: IS IT A QUESTION
% DISINFORMATION FUELS VIOLENCE
% AND VOTER INTIMIDATION?
% >> IT'S A QUESTION AND IT SEEMS
% TO.
% THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SEE MISS
% AND DISINFORMATION ON THEIR
% SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS AND MORE
% EXTREME CORNERS OF THE INTERNET
% AND IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO MEET
% UP TOGETHER AN THERE ARE DIRECT
% LINES WE CAN DRAW BETWEEN THE
% MISINFORMATION ONLINE AND
% PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR THAT CAN TURN
% VIOLENT.
% >> Frederica: THIS IS AN OLD
% QUESTION BUT WHAT DOES WHAT THE
% PRESIDENT CALLS THE BIG LIE
% PERSIST EVEN IN THE FACE OF SO
% MUCH FACT CHECKING AND EVIDENCE
% TO THE CONTRARY?
% >> PART IS SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE
% REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO
% ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS CONTINUE
% TO FUEL IT.
% MUCH OF THE OPINIONS THAT
% AMERICANS DEVELOP IS DRIVEN IN
% PART BY WHAT OUR OFFICIALS SAY
% AND HELP SHAPE OUR ATTITUDE.
% MOST LOOK TO THE LEADER OF THE
% PARTY WE PREFER TO HELP US MAKE
% SENSE OF THE WORLD AROUND IF
% LEADERS ARE SAYING THE ELECTION
% WAS STOLEN IT BECOMES HARD TO
% TRUST THE FACT CHECK AND COUPLE
% THAT WITH THE TALK RADIO AND FAR
% RIGHT ECOLOGY ON SOCIAL MEDIA
% SAYING YOU CAN'T TRUST THE NEWS
% MEDIA YOU HAVE A TOXIC MIX OF
% DISTRUST.%>> Frederica: HOW
MUCH
% MISINFORMATION OR DISINFORMATION
% IS FLYING AROUND RIGHT NOW?
% >> THERE'S A LOT.
% THE TRUTH SENDS TO BE MORE
% MUNDANE AND DISINFORMATION MORE
% EMOTIONAL AND WE RECOGNIZE IT
% AND LIKELY TO GET SHARED SO IT
% SPREADS FASTER THAN THE TRUTH
% WHY WE CAN'T CATCH UP.
% >> Frederica: SO YOU'RE LOOKING
% AT THIS ALL THE TIME.
% WHAT'S ONE OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS
% EXAMPLES YOU'VE SEEN.
% >> THAT THERE ARE ELECTED
% OFFICIALS RUNNING SECRET RINGS
% THAT ABUSE CHILDREN AND OTHERS
% RELATED TO VACCINATES.
% NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT REDUCES THE
% LIKELIHOOD AND VACCINATION DOWN
% SO THE SPILLOVER IS HUGE AND HOW
% IT AFFECTS OTHER ISSUES.
% >> Frederica: WHERE'S IT MOST
% HEAVILY TRAFFICKED?
% SOCIAL MEDIA, TWITTER, FACEBOOK
% IS A PLACE.
% OTHER MORE EXTREME, PARLOR,
% OTHER PLACES WHERE IT PURVEYS
% QUITE A BIT.
% THERE'S A NETWORK OF PEOPLE
% WILLING TO SHARE IT.
% IT'S PROFITABLE TO DO IT.
% >> Frederica: WHY DO PEOPLE
% EMBRACE IT?
% >> SOME DO IT BECAUSE IT FEELS
% GOOD TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE
% HAVING TO HEAR THE NEGATIVE
% THINGS ABOUT THEM AND OTHERS DO
% IT BECAUSE IT'S PROFITABLE OR IT
% MIGHT HELP THEIR PARTICULAR SIDE
% GAIN POWER.
% OTHERS PREFER CHAOS AND THERE'S
% A SMALL SUBSET OF PEOPLE WHO
% ENJOY WATCHING THE WORLD BURN
% AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE
% THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE TO STIR
% THINGS UP.
% >> Frederica: FORMER PRESIDENT
% OBAMA ASKED WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
% TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER ANY MORE?
% >> WE LOSE A SHARED OPPORTUNITY
% TO SOLVE PROBLEMS IF WE CAN'T
% AGREE ON TRUTH HOW CAN WE AGREE
% ON POTENTIAL WAYS TO SOLVE THE
% PROBLEMS?
% OUR ABILITY TO GOVERNOR
% OURSELVES IS DEEPLY AFFECTED
% WHETHER THERE'S COLLECTIVE
% UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT'S
% VERIFIABLY TRUE.
% >> Frederica: IS THAT WHERE WE
% ARE NOW?
% >> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE STRONG
% BUT BARELY.
% I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS STUDYING
% THESE ISSUES ARE WORRIED PEOPLE
% MAY SHUT OFF TO UNDERSTANDING
% THE INFORMATION THAT'S BAD FOR
% THEIR SIDE SHOULD BE REJECTED
% AND PEOPLE NEED TO ACCEPT WHEN
% THEY LOSE AND I'M A VIKINGS FAN,
% WE'VE NEVER WON A SUPER BOWL AND
% I WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF A ROOM
% IF I SAID WE HAD AND PEOPLE ARE
% MAKING THE SAME BIZARRE CLAIMS
% ON REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE
% WHO WON AN ELECTION OR DOES THE
% VACCINE CAUSE A PROBLEM.
% >> Frederica: SO PERSISTENT
% DISINFORMATION LIKE THIS STOLEN
% ELECTION MAY WHIP SOME PEOPLE
% INTO COMMITTING POLITICAL
% VIOLENCE BUT WHAT EFFECT DOES
% THIS HAVE ON THE LONG SIMMER ON
% FOLKS WHO CRASH THE CAPITAL OR
% HURT ANYBODY?
% >> ONE THING IT DOES IS REDUCES
% MANY PEOPLE'S BELIEF THAT WE CAN
% SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT WE CAN WORK
% TOGETHER TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
% IT LOWERS OUR ABILITY TO WANT TO
% COMPROMISE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
% IF THE OTHER SIDE IS DANGEROUS
% AND EVIL WHY WOULD WE WANT TO
% COMPROMISE.%THERE'S LONG-TER
M PROBLEMS IN
% TERMS OF GENERALIZED PROBLEM
% SOLVING AND THE LACK OF TRUST IN
% PEOPLE WHO CAN TELL US
% VERIFIABLY TRUE INFORMATION AND
% THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE NEED TO
% KNOW WHAT'S TRUE AND COULD BE
% LIFE AND DEATH AND IF WE CANNOT
% TRUST JOURNALISTS WHO FACE
% CONSEQUENCES WHEN THEY SAY
% THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE, IF WE
% DON'T TRUST THEM WE'RE IN REAL
% TROUBLE.%>> Frederica: WHAT'S
GOING TO
% BREAK THIS CYCLE?
% >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
% I WISH I KNEW THE ANSWER.
% I THINK ONE THING THAT CAN HELP
% IS LISTENING.
% I THINK WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO
% PERSUADE PEOPLE WHO WE KNOW
% BELIEVE THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE
% WE SHOULD AIM FOR THE HEART AND
% NOT HEAD.
% HERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO BUILD
% TRUST THAT GO BEYOND I'M RIGHT
% AND YOU'RE WRONG AND YOU HAVE TO
% ACCEPT IT.
% >> Frederica: HOW MIGHT ALL THIS
% MISINFORMATION AFFECT THIS
% ELECTION?
% >> I THINK WE MAY SEE ONE SIDE
% OR NOT WILLING TO CONCEDE THEY
% LOST AND MAY LEAD TO MORE
% BEHAVIORS LIKE JANUARY 6 AT THE
% U.S. CAPITAL AND THERE'S
% GOVERNOR AND SENATE RACES THAT
% MAY RAISE THE IRE OF PEOPLE AND
% THERE ARE THINGS TO BE WATCHING
% AS WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE
% COUNTING OF THE VOTES AFTER
% ELECTION DAY.
% >> Frederica: MIKE WAGNER,
% THANKS VERY MUCH.%>> MY PLEA
SURE.
% >> Frederica: YOU CAN FIND
% INFORMATION ABOUT CANDIDATES AND
% VOTING AS WELL AS REAL-TIME
% ELECTION RESULTS BY VISITING