% TO CHALLENGE DERRICK VAN ORDEN
% IN THE FALL.
% >> WILD TWISTS AND TURNS.
% AND BETTING OUR POLITICAL PANEL
% HAS SOME TAKES ON THIS,
% REPUBLICAN BILL McCOSHEN AND
% DEMOCRAT SCOT ROSS.
% >> GOOD TO BE HERE.
% >> WHAT IS YOUR TAKE, BILL, ON
% THE ESTABLISHMENT REBECCA
% KLEEFISCH LOSING TO
% TRUMP-ENDORSED TIM MICHELS?
% >> A COUPLE THINGS, NUMBER ONE,
% DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT, NO
% QUESTION THAT WAS A MAJOR FACTOR
% ON TUESDAY, AND OUTSIDER STATUS,
% NEVER HELD PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE.
% HE RAN FOR U.S. SENATE IN 2004
% BUT HAS NEVER HELD A PUBLIC
% OFFICE AND THAT WAS APPEALING
% AND I THINK THE THIRD PIECE WERE
% THE RESOURCES, RIGHT.
% HE HAD THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF
% RESOURCES TO GET HIS MESSAGE OUT
% THERE AND HE HAD A MESSAGE THAT
% RESONATED.
% THERE WILL BE LOTS AND LOTS OF
% PEOPLE WILL SAY ONE, HE SPENT
% $13 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE
% FINAL NUMBER IS.
% IF MONEY WAS THE DECIDING
% FACTOR, ALEX LASRY WOULD BE THE
% NOMINEE FOR THE SENATE.
% >> TIM MICHELS FLEW IN FROM HIS
% PRIVATE JET FROM CONNECTICUT AND
% BOUGHT THE ELECTION.
% AND THE FACT REBECCA KLEEFISCH
% IS THE STANDARD BEARER UNDER
% WALKER DOING THE RUBBER CHICKEN
% CIRCUIT, MAKING ALL THE ATTACKS
% ON DEMOCRATS, RAISING MONEY FOR
% REPUBLICANS AND THEN SHE LOSES
% THIS?
% TO A GUY WHO CAME IN AND
% BASICALLY TOOK TRUMP'S
% ENDORSEMENT AND RAN WITH IT?
% I MEAN, I THINK THE REPUBLICAN
% PARTY HAS TO DO A LOT OF
% HEALING.%MIGHT -- THEY MIGHT
FINALLY ASK
% FOR THE MEDICAID MONEY SO THAT
% THEY CAN GET HEALTHCARE ACCESS
% TO HEAL THESE WOUNDS.
% >> AND BILL, DOES THIS MEAN THAT
% SCOTT WALKER IS NO LONGER THE
% STANDARD BEARER FOR THE
% WISCONSIN GOP?
% >> LISTEN, SCOTT WALKER WILL
% HAVE A PLACE IN HISTORY, AND
% ONLY GOVERNOR IN AMERICAN
% HISTORY WHO SURVIVED A RECALL.
% SO, HE WAS A TWO-TERM GOVERNOR
% HERE, DID A LOT OF MAJOR
% REFORMS.%HIS BRAND WAS CLEARL
Y NOT AS
% STRONG AS DONALD TRUMP, AND
% TOMMY THOMPSON.
% AND TIM MICHELS WAS ALSO
% ENDORSED BY TOMMY THOMPSON.
% HIS BRAND WAS NOT AS STRONG AS
% THEIRS WAS, AND HE'S 54 YEARS
% OLD.%DONE IN POLITICS, I HIGH
LY DOUBT
% IT.%I THINK WE WILL SEE SCOT
T WALKER
% BACK AT SOME POINT BUT YOU KNOW,
% HE WAS NOT ABLE TO PULL REBECCA
% OVER THE FINISH LINE.
% >> SCOT.
% >> HAVE YOU SEEN ANYWHERE AROUND
% THE COUNTRY WHERE A FORMER
% GOVERNOR GETS INTO A
% GUBERNATORIAL PRIMARY TO ATTACK,
% YOU KNOW, OTHER CANDIDATES AND
% THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SCOTT WALKER
% DID.%I THINK THE GUY'S EGO --
HE'S
% JUST LOST IT IN TERMS OF THAT,
% AND IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM AND IT
% WAS TO THE DETRIMENT OF REBECCA
% KLEEFISCH.
% HE SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE
% ADS.%AND 2018, PEOPLE WERE SI
CK OF
% HIM, AD AFTER AD AFTER AD.
% SCOTT WALKER, I KNOW YOU DON'T
% TAKE ADVICE FROM ME, GET AWAY
% FROM THE PARKING LOT, GRADUATED
% FROM HIGH SCHOOL, MOVE ON TO THE
% NEXT PLACE.
% >> WE AGREE ON THAT.
% OUTSIDE OF TOMMY THOMPSON, THE
% MOST HARD WORKING REPUBLICAN,
% SHE GOT SOME BAD ADVICE DOWN THE
% STRETCH AND WORKED AGAINST HER.
% >> BILL, ARE REPUBLICANS AT ALL
% SKITTISH RIDING THE COAT TAILS
% OF DONALD TRUMP WITH WHAT HE'S
% GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW?
% >> MICHELS RAN ADS WITH TRUMP'S
% PICTURE IN IT, I DON'T KNOW IF
% HE WOULD BE BACK IN THE GENERAL,
% IF HE DOES COME BACK, IN THE
% WAUSAU OR GREEN BAY AREA WHERE
% HIS SUPPORT IS ENORMOUS, I DON'T
% THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE HIM
% HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GENERAL
% ELECTION.
% TIM MICHELS WILL FOCUS ON THE
% CONTRAST BETWEEN HIM AND TONY
% EVERS.
% >> HE TOOK THE ENDORSEMENT FROM
% DONALD TRUMP OFF OF HIS WEBSITE
% AND THEN AFTER A REPORTER FOUND
% THAT OUT, HE PUT IT BACK UP.
% DONALD TRUMP IS TOXIC TO SWING
% VOTERS AND TOXIC TO INDEPENDENT
% VOTERS AND TOXIC TO DEMOCRATIC
% VOTERS.
% EVERY WOMAN IN THE STATE OF
% WISCONSIN HAD HER STATUS MADE
% SECOND CLASS BY THE DONALD TRUMP
% SUPREME COURT.
% >> SO SCOTT, PRESIDENT JOE
% BIDEN'S POLLING NUMBERS ARE IN
% THE TANK.
% HOW MUCH DOES HE HOLD BACK
% CANDIDATES IN HIS PARTY?
% >> I DON'T REALLY THINK HE HOLDS
% THEM BACK.
% HIS -- YOU KNOW, HE IS A MAKING
% OF WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE
% RIGHT NOW.
% INFLATION IS TOUGH, AND
% DEMOCRATS ARE TAKING STEPS TO
% SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
% BUT THE CHALLENGE IS THAT HE'S
% IN CHARGE SO HE GETS HIT WITH
% THAT.
% I DON'T THINK THE TOXICITY THAT
% DONALD TRUMP HAS COMPARES IN THE
% SOLAR SYSTEM TO JOE BIDEN.
% JOE BIDEN, YOU LOOK AT HIM, YOU
% KNOW HE'S TRYING TO HELP YOU.
% >> I DISAGREE.
% I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR
% DRAG ON DEMOCRATS, TONY EVERS
% AND MANDELA BARNES BUT NOT JUST
% THAT.
% THE PRESIDENT'S NUMBERS ARE OK
% HERE, I THINK HE'S AT 42%, NOT
% GREAT, HE'S UNDERWATER FOR SURE.
% THEY ARE IN THE 30s NATIONALLY.
% THE OTHER THING WORKING AGAINST
% DEMOCRATS IS THE RIGHT
% DIRECTION, WRONG TRACK NUMBER,
% IN MANY SURVEYS NATIONALLY IS
% 80% OF THE PEOPLE THINK THE
% COUNTRY IS ON THE WRONG TRACK.
% THAT ULTIMATELY SAYS CHANGE.
% SO INCUMBENT DEMOCRATS RUNNING
% THIS YEAR ARE IN A TOUGH
% REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THAT.
% AND TONY EVERS, ONLY ONE
% INCUMBENT EVER RE-ELECTED WHEN
% HIS PARTY CONTROLLED THE WHITE
% HOUSE, AND THAT WAS MY OLD BOSS,
% TOMMY THOMPSON.
% >> TIM MICHELS HAS BEEN IN
% CONNECTICUT.
% WHAT TONY EVERS IS DOING IS WHAT
% WISCONSINITES NEED HIM TO DO,
% GETS THE MONEY FOR SMALL
% BUSINESSES, LOCAL TAVERNS,
% COMMUNITIES ARE NOT LOSING
% BUSINESS BY GETTING MONEY FROM
% WASHINGTON, D.C. DURING THE
% GLOBAL PANDEMIC THAT HAS GONE ON
% FOR YEARS.
% IF THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN
% CHARGE WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT
% MONEY.
% BUSINESSES ALL OVER THE PLACE
% WOULD CLOSE DOWN.
% THANK GOODNESS TONY EVERS IS IN
% THERE AND TALK TO VOTERS OUT
% THERE AND SAY IS TONY EVERS ON
% MY SIDE, ABSOLUTELY HE IS.
% I MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH
% EVERYTHING BUT HE'S ON MY SIDE.
% >> RON JOHNSON'S BASE IS ALL IN
% ON THE SENATOR.
% IS HE VULNERABLE?
% >> HE'S IN BETTER SHAPE NOW THAN
% A YEAR AGO.
% AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF SMART
% VIEWERS FOR YOUR SHOW.
% WHEN TRUMP WON HERE IN 16, THE
% FIRST TIME A REPUBLICAN
% CANDIDATES HAD WON SINCE 1984.
% JOHNSON GOT MORE VOTES IN 2016.
% POPULAR POLITICAL FIGURE IN THE
% BASE AND DOES PRETTY WELL WITH
% INDEPENDENTS AND HE'S A STRAIGHT
% SHOOTER, TELLS IT LIKE IT IS.
% ULTIMATELY I THINK THE RACE IS A
% FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION.
% IF YOU LIKE THE DIRECTION OF THE
% COUNTRY OR THE LEADERSHIP OF JOE
% BIDEN, MANDELA BARNES IS YOUR
% GUY.%A DIFFERENT TAKE, IT'S R
ON
% JOHNSON.
% >> LISTEN, RON JOHNSON, HIS
% APPROVAL IS 36%.
% THAT IS AWFUL, THAT IS TERRIBLE.
% HE, YOU KNOW -- HE HAS NOT BEEN
% ALL THAT VISIBLE UNTIL THE LAST
% COUPLE YEARS AND IT'S ALL BEEN
% NEGATIVE.%HE WANTS TO GET RI
D OF SOCIAL
% SECURITY AND MEDICARE, PUT IT ON
% THE CHOPPING BLOCK FOR A
% PARTISAN CONGRESS.
% IF YOU ARE A SENIOR OUT IN RURAL
% WISCONSIN, OR A SENIOR ANYWHERE,
% HOSPITALS WOULD BE SHUT DOWN
% ACROSS WISCONSIN IF WE LOSE
% MEDICARE.
% RESTAURANTS, GROCERY STORES,
% THEY ARE GONE IF RON JOHNSON
% GETS HIS WAY ON SOCIAL SECURITY
% AND MEDICARE AND DEMOCRATS ARE
% GOING TO HANG THAT AROUND HIS
% NECK AND THEY SHOULD BECAUSE
% HE'S WRONG ON IT.
% >> SO MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT
% HERE BUT I WANT TO GET TO THIS,
% HOW ROBIN VOSS JUST BARELY SNUCK
% OUT A WIN OVER A TRUMP-ENDORSED
% UNKNOWN CANDIDATE AND HIS OWN
% ELECTION INVESTIGATOR TURNED ON
% HIM ENDORSING THE OTHER GUY.
% NOW, VOSS THEN CALLED GEBELMAN
% AN EMBARRASSMENT AND TODAY FIRED
% HIM.
% >> I'M GLAD, I THINK IT'S LONG
% OVERDUE.%I THINK THE INVESTIG
ATION HAD
% RUN ITS COURSE.
% WE HAVE TWO MORE CREDIBLE
% INVESTIGATIONS FOR THE WISCONSIN
% INSTITUTE FOR LAW AND LIBERTY
% AND THE AUDIT BUREAU, A CLEAR
% ROAD MAP ON THINGS TO GET DONE,
% LEGISLATURE HAS TRIED TO ADDRESS
% IT TWICE AND EVERS HAS VETOED
% IT.
% >> YOUR REACTION TO THE FIRING?
% >> THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION HAS
% BEEN CORRUPT, CIRCUS, AFRONT TO
% DEMOCRACY.
% REPUBLICANS WANT TO ATTACK YOUR
% RIGHT TO VOTE, PREVENT YOU FROM
% GOING OUT TO VOTE.
% DEMOCRATS ARE EMBOLDENED BY
% THIS.
% AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WHO HAS
% THE RIGHT TO VOTE GETS OUT AND
% VOTE.%A GOOD ELECTION NIGHT
FOR