% >> THANK YOU.
% >>> NATIONAL POLICING EXPERT
% CONSULTANT AND FORMER CHIEF OF
% MADISON POLICE NOBLE RAY SAYS
% THE ESCALATION OF MASS SHOOTINGS
% AND THE USE OF ASTALL- --
% ASSAULT-STYLE RIFLES IS
% FRIGHTENING.
% WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE HIGHLAND
% PARK SHOOTER THREAT CAME CLOSE
% TO HOME, ALTHOUGH POLICE ARE NOT
% SAYING WHICH CELEBRATION THE
% SUSPECT HAD HIS EYES ON.
% >> CHIEF RAY, THANKS VERY MUCH
% FOR JOINING US.
% >> ON THE FOURTH OF JULY WHEN
% YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN
% HIGHLAND PARK, ILLINOIS, AS A
% FORMER POLICE OFFICER, POLICE
% CHIEF, AND CITIZEN, WHAT WAS
% YOUR REACTION?
% >> MY REACTION WAS, JUST UTTER
% TEST PAY FORMAN -- DESPAIR FOR
% THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE.
% YOU DON'T EXPECT FROM A LAW
% ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT AND
% CITIZEN STANDPOINT OR SOMETHING
% LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN AT A PARADE.
% YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN URBAN
% CENTER, ALTHOUGH IT'S ADJACENT
% TO CHICAGO, YOU DON'T EXPECT
% THAT.
% AND I THINK PARENTS AND PEOPLE
% WERE JUST IN SHOCK.
% >> AND SO WE ALL KIND OF
% POTENTIAL TARGETS THEN AT ANY
% TIME FOR A MASS SHOOTER?
% >> YEAH, YOU KNOW.
% WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT
% PARADES, GROCERY STORES,
% ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, YOU JUST
% NEVER KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING
% TO HAPPEN.
% SO THAT IS WHY I KNOW THAT
% CONGRESS PASSED MAJOR
% LEGISLATION A FEW WEEKS AGO ON
% YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COMPLEX
% ISSUE OF GUNS AND GUN SAFETY AND
% MASS SHOOTINGS.
% BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE FINISHED
% WITH THIS.
% NOT -- NOT BY A LONG SHOT.
% THERE'S TREMENDOUS FEAR AND THIS
% TREMENDOUS FEAR CUTS ACROSS ALL
% KIND OF BOUNDARIES, RACIAL
% BOUNDARIES, RELIGIOUS
% BOUNDARIES, AGE, YOU KNOW,
% WHERE -- AS A PARENT, AS A GRAN
% PARENT, YOU KNOW -- GRANDPARENT,
% BECAUSE I THINK EVERY AMERICAN
% WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT, THEY
% THINK OF THEMSELVES AND WHAT
% THEY WOULD DO.
% THEY CAN RELATE TO THAT BECAUSE
% IT'S HAPPENING IN COMMON PLACES.
% >> SO IF WE'RE NOT FINISHED,
% WHAT'S TO BE DONE?
% >> WHAT'S TO BE DONE IS -- I
% TEND TO GO TO GRAVITATE TO THE
% PEOPLE THAT TALK ABOUT THIS AS A
% MULTI-FACETED APPROACH.
% I THINK SPLITTING IT INTO A
% DICHOTOMY SAYING IT'S GUNS OR
% IT'S MENTAL HEALTH, DOES THE --
% THAT'S NOT -- DOES NOT HELP THE
% DIALOGUE ANY GOOD AT ALL,
% BECAUSE IT'S COMPLEX.
% HUNDREDS OF RED FLAG -- HOW DOES
% A RED FLAG LAW WORK.
% EVEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO -- AND
% THIS -- THIS PARTICULAR
% SITUATION IS STILL EVOLVING.
% BUT WE EXPECT A LOT FROM PARENTS
% AND RELATIVES TO BE THE ONES
% THAT WOULD CONTACT LAW
% ENFORCEMENT AND SAY, HEY, LOOK,
% MY CHILD WAS DOING THIS.
% THIS LOOKS OUT OF PLACE.
% BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A LOVING
% RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT CHILD.
% AND SO IT'S A VERY COMPLEX.
% NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THEIR KIDS
% IN HANDCUFFS, BUT THE QUESTION
% IS NO ONE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE
% THEIR KIDS HARM SOMEONE OR END
% UP IN PRISON FOR LIFE OR EVEN
% WORSE.
% >> MEANWHILE, WE LEARNED AFTER
% THE FACT THAT THE SUSPECT IN
% THIS HIGHLAND PARK MASS SHOOTING
% MADE HIS WAY TO WISCONSIN AND
% MADISON POTENTIALLY WITH SOME
% IDEA OF DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR
% HERE.
% WHEN YOU HEARD THAT, WHAT DID
% YOU THINK?
% >> WELL, AGAIN, IT GETS CLOSER,
% CLOSER TO HOME.
% SO IT BECOMES PERSONAL.
% AND SO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A
% NUMBER OF THINGS IN MY -- FROM A
% PERSONAL STANDPOINT, I STARTED
% TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE WERE,
% WHERE MY SONS WERE, WHERE MY
% GRANDKIDS WERE THAT DAY AND WHAT
% WE WERE DOING.
% DO THEY COULD INTO HARM'S PLACE.
% FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT
% STANDPOINT, IT WAS -- YOU KNOW,
% HOW ARE THEY RESPONDING.
% WHAT ARE SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES
% THAT THEY'RE USING TO RESPOND?
% BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMMON FOR A
% MASS SHOOTER TO LEAVE THE SCENE.
% OR TYPICALLY THERE'S ARRESTED OR
% THERE'S A QUOTE/UNQUOTE SUICIDE
% BY COP OR THEY'RE ARRESTED
% PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SCENE.
% SO FOR SOMEONE WHO LEAVE A MASS
% SHOOTING WITH THAT MUCH
% DEVASTATION MAY GET NOT ONLY
% ACROSS STATE LINES TO ANOTHER
% CITY.%THAT'S RARE.
% AND THANK GOD IT'S RARE.
% BUT IT WAS -- IT WAS REALLY A
% TENSE MOMENT I THINK, FOR A
% COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA.
% >> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
% WHETHER OR NOT THE POPULATION --
% FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE
% AREA.%>> WHAT DO YOU THINK W
ERE THE
% POPULACE HERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
% WARNED ABOUT THAT?
% >> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING
% THAT I BELIEVE LAW ENFORCEMENT,
% THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
% SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS
% THAT, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN.
% WHO -- WHO NOTIFIES THE PUBLIC,
% WHAT INFORMATION SOME COME OUT?
% BECAUSE THERE IS A BALANCE.
% YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE
% UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU DO WHEN
% YOU'RE NOTIFIED OF AN AMBER
% ALERT, BUT WHO INFORMATION COMES
% OUT WHEN YOU HAVE A MASS
% SHOOTING AND YOU'RE NOTIFYING
% THE PUBLIC, YOU DON'T WANT THE
% PUBLIC TO GET TOO UPSET AND
% WHERE THEY'RE PARALYZED AND
% ACTING.%BUT IN THIS PARTICUL
AR CASE, YOU
% WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE THE PROPER
% PRECAUTIONS.%WHAT WERE THE PR
OPER PRECAUTIONS
% UNDER THE SCENARIO.
% >> WHAT IS YOUR OPINION AS
% FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OF THESE
% MILITARY-STYLE ASSAULT RIFLES IN
% THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS?
% >> THEY HAVE NO PLACE, NOT IN A
% DOMESTIC SETTING.
% THAT'S NOT EVEN IN -- AN
% ARGUMENT OR DEBATE.
% YOU -- HIGH CAPACITY, THE
% ABILITY FOR HUMAN DESTRUCTION ON
% THE BODY, I UNDERSTAND THE
% SECOND AMENDMENT.
% I SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
% I UNDERSTAND THAT SO MANY WAYS.
% AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE
% HOLD NEAR AND DEAR TO -- IT IS A
% CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
% BUT I -- I READ THE CONSTITUTION
% ALL THE TIME.
% AND I'VE YET TO SEE A
% CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO AN AC14.
% >> -- AK-47.
% >> AS A POLICE OFFICER, DO THEY
% SCARE YOU?
% >> YES, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE
% TRENDS ARE GOING RIGHT NOW.
% THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS,
% MORE GUN PURCHASES, MORE PEOPLE
% WEARING -- POSSESSING THEM IN
% PUBLIC PLACES AND PUBLIC SPACES.
% AND HERE'S THE DOWNSIDE OF WHERE
% THIS IS GONNA GO.
% IF YOU ARE, BASED UPON SOME OF
% THE RECENT SUPREME RULINGS --
% SUPREME COURT RULINGS, WHERE
% YOU'RE MORE ABLE TO OPEN CARRY
% OR CONCEALED CARRY, THAT MEANS
% THE INTERACTION BETWEEN A POLICE
% OFFICER AND THE CITIZEN, THAT
% COULD CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT
% TAKES PLACE.
% WE HAVE RELIED ON OUR ABILITY TO
% COMMUNICATE WITH CITIZENS.
% THE ABILITY TO BUILD A
% PREPOUR -- RAPPORT, BUILD TRUST,
% AND IF THE FIRST THING YOU'RE
% THINKING ABOUT IS IS THIS PERSON
% ARMED ALL THE TIME, THEN WHAT DO
% YOU DO?
% >> ON ANOTHER MATTER, THE ARREST
% OF THE SUSPECT IN THE HIGHLAND
% PARK SHOOTING WAS DESCRIBED AS
% WITHOUT INCIDENT.
% PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF
% THE STARK DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
% THAT ARREST OF A SUSPECT IN A
% MASS MURDER, ESSENTIALLY, AND
% THE ARREST OF A YOUNG BLACK MAN
% IN AKRON, OHIO, WHO WAS GUNNED
% DOWN DURING A TRAFFIC STOP.
% >> UH-HUH.
% >> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?
% >> I DO THINK HISTORICALLY, ASK
% CURRENTLY, WITH TODAY -- AND
% CURRENTLY WITH TODAY'S SOCIAL
% CONTEXT, AND WHAT
% AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN PARTICULAR
% BELIEVE, THERE'S A QUESTION IN
% TERMS OF YOU KNOW, HOW DO I
% RESPOND TO POLICE WHEN I'M ASKED
% TO STOP AT A TRAFFIC STOP OR
% WHEN I'M TOLD TO COMPLY.
% IT SHOULD BE EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER
% THE LAW.
% AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED
% THE SAME.
% I THINK THAT IS THE ISSUE.
% BUT HISTORICALLY, AND WITH
% TODAY'S SOCIAL CONTEXT, I
% PERSONALLY AND I HAVE RELATIVES,
% I HAVE FRIENDS -- THERE IS A BIT
% OF CONFUSION, A BIT OF FEAR THAT
% IF I COMPLY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
% IF I DON'T COMPLY, WHAT WILL
% HAPPEN.
% AND AGAIN, THAT IS A DIALOGUE
% THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE,
% SERIOUSLY NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE
% BETWEEN THE POLICE AND MANY
% COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE.
% >> ALL RIGHT.