% >> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A
% PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
% PRODUCTION.
% >> SOMETIMES YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
% SOMETHING VERY FERVENTLY, AND AT
% THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WEIGH
% THE TOTALITY OF THE BILL, AND
% YOU SAY IT'S MUCH BETTER TO HAVE
% A PASS THAN NOT.
% >> CHUNK OF THE STATE BUDGET
% PASSED.
% LONG AWAITED PROPOSAL WOULD
% MODIFY HOW THE STATE'S ALCOHOL
% INDUSTRY IS REGULATED, AND
% PERCEPTIONS OF DIVERSITY AND
% FREE SPEECH ON UW CAMPUSES
% EMULATE THE NATIONAL CULTURE WAR
% POLITICS.
% >> GOOD EVENING.
% I'M ZAC SCHULTZ FILLING IN FOR
% FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% THE LATEST ON THE BUDGET ACTION.
% JAY ROTHMAN WEIGHS IN ON THE
% STATE HIGHER EDUCATION BUDGET
% AND ATTORNEY GENERAL JOSH KAUL
% DISCUSSES CUTS TO THE OFFICE OF
% SCHOOL SAFETY.
% PLUS, WHAT CHANGES TO STATE
% ALCOHOL REGULATION WOULD MEAN
% FOR SMALL BUSINESS PRODUCERS.
% IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR JUNE 16.
% >> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS
% PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
% JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
% WISCONSIN.
% >> WORK ON THE STATE BUDGET
% SLOWED DOWN THE PAST A COUPLE OF
% WEEKS AS LEGISLATIVE REPUBLICANS
% NEGOTIATED AMONGST THEMSELVES
% AND WITH DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR
% TONY EVERS TO REACH A COMPROMISE
% ON SHARED REVENUE FOR LOCAL
% MUNICIPALITIES.
% THE SOLUTION REQUIRED PROMISES
% FROM THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN OFF ON
% A BIG INCREASE IN STATE PAYMENTS
% TO PRIVATE VOUCHER SCHOOLS, AN
% EXTRA BILLION DOLLARS FOR PUBLIC
% SCHOOLS, AND DROPPING THE
% REQUIREMENT THAT MILWAUKEE GO TO
% REFERENDUM IN ORDER TO PASS AN
% INCREASE IN THEIR SALES TAX.
% THEY SAY THE BEST DEALS IN
% POLITICS ARE OFTEN THE ONES
% WHERE NO ONE COMES AWAY
% PERFECTLY HAPPY, WHICH WAS THE
% CASE THIS WEEK AS SENATE AND
% ASSEMBLY SIGNED OFF ON THE BILLS
% WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND
% BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION.
% >> THERE ARE 21 AYES, 12 NOs
% AND THE BILL IS CONCURRED IN AS
% AMENDED.%>> THIS COULD HAVE B
EEN A CLEAN
% BILL.
% IT COULD HAVE BEEN PATH WITH
% CONSENSUS AND INSTEAD
% REPUBLICANS, TO MY
% UNDERSTANDING, ARE STILL
% IN-FIGHTING BECAUSE THEY'VE
% DECIDED TO INSERT UNPOPULAR
% IDEAS INTO THIS VITALLY
% IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
% >> THERE ARE 68 AYES AND 26 NOS.
% SENATE AMENDMENT ONE IS
% CONCURRED IN AS AMENDED.
% >> PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE
% PROCESS IS GIVE-AND-TAKE.
% THERE ARE PARTS IN THE BILL THAT
% WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON
% TODAY, THAT IF IT WERE JUST ME,
% I WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY,BY
% THAT'S DISAGREEMENTS EVEN
% AMONGST REPUBLICANS.
% THEN YOU ADD IN TRYING TO FIND A
% TRULY BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT.
% WE HAD TO GIVE UP ON SOME THINGS
% THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO
% REPUBLICANS.%>> ONE OF THE AR
EAS OF THE STATE
% BUDGET YET TO BE FINALIZED
% INCLUDES THE UNIVERSITY OF
% WISCONSIN'S SYSTEM OF WHICH WE
% AT PBS WISCONSIN ARE A PART OF.
% AND THAT BUDGET COULD COME WITH
% COMPLICATIONS AS EARLIER THIS
% WEEK ASSEMBLY SPEAKER ROBIN VOS
% SAID HE WANTED TO SEE CUTS BY
% $32 MILLION TO FORCE THE SCHOOLS
% TO ELIMINATE SCHOOLS REGARDING
% DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION.
% JAY ROTHMAN JOINS US.
% THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
% SPEAKER VOS SAYS EFFORTS RELATED
% TO DEI ARE A LEFT WIN RELIGION
% AND INDOCTRINATION.
% HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?
% >> STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE
% BUDGET.
% WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, WE
% HAD RECOMMENDED A 4% INCREASE IN
% EACH YEAR OF THE BIENNIUM, WHICH
% I THOUGHT WAS REASONABLE IN
% LIGHT OF INFLATION BEING AT 8%
% LAST YEAR AND 5 OR 6% THIS YEAR.
% WE KNEW WE WOULDN'T EVEN KEEP
% PACE WITH INFLATION AND NOW
% THERE'S DISCUSSION OF A
% POTENTIAL CUT TO OUR BUDGET AND
% THE GULF BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS
% HUGE, AND THAT GULF REALLY IS
% GOING TO THREATEN ACCESSIBILITY
% FOR OUR STUDENTS IN THIS STATE
% AND IT'S GOING TO THREATEN
% AFFORDABILITY IN THE STATE OF
% WISCONSIN, AND THAT'S REALLY
% WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON.
% WE'RE FOCUSED ON HELPING
% WISCONSIN WIN THE WAR FOR
% TALENT.
% WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ENGINEERS
% AND NURSES AND DATA SCIENTISTS
% AND SO FORTH IN THE STATE.
% THOSE JOBS ARE GOING TO LEAVE
% OUR STATE UNLESS THEY'RE FILLED
% HERE, WHICH IS GOING TO HURT
% WISCONSIN'S LONG-TERM ECONOMIC
% VIABILITY.
% AND AS I THINK ABOUT THE
% ACCESSIBILITY PIECE, I, IN
% APRIL, I ASKED OUR CHANCELLORS
% TO LOOK AT THE BRANCH CAMPUSES
% AND LOOK AT ARE THEY VIABLE LONG
% TERM.
% HOW DO WE MAKE THEM VIABLE, HOW
% CAN WE ADJUST THEM.
% WE RECENTLY RETAINED DELOITTE TO
% HELP LOOK AT STRUCTURAL DEFICITS
% IN OUR UNIVERSITIES AND HELP US
% TRY TO CLOSE THOSE BY 2028
% CONSISTENT WITH OUR STRATEGIC
% PLAN.
% SO THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE.
% THAT FUNDING GAP IS ENORMOUS AND
% I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
% LONGER TERM, WHAT ARE WE GOING
% TO DO FOR THE STATE.
% WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
% THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
% THAT'S WHY THE SYSTEM EXISTS.
% THAT'S WHY I TOOK THIS JOB IS TO
% HELP THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
% I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN THIS
% STATE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
% THAT FUNDING GAP CREATES A REAL
% ISSUE FOR US.
% >> SPEAKER VOS SAYS IN TERMS OF
% HIRING MORE NURSES AND
% ENGINEERS, HE THINKS MONEY IS
% NOT BEING WELL SPENT ON
% POSITIONS CONNECTED TO DEI
% INVESTMENTS.%DO YOU AGREE WIT
H THAT?
% >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GULF,
% WE'RE TALKING NEARLY HALF A
% BILLION DOLLARS IN TERMS OF THAT
% GULF, AND I APPRECIATE THE
% CONCERNS AROUND D.E. & I, BUT I
% LOOK AT IT AND SAY IT'S THAT
% GULF, THAT INVESTMENT, AND WE'VE
% BEEN DEALING WITH SLINKING
% BUDGETS FOR 10 YEARS IN THE
% SYSTEM, SHRINKING.
% THERE IS A POINT AT WHICH YOU
% CANNOT DO THIS ANY LONGER AND IT
% IS THREATENING ACCESSIBILITY,
% BUT IT'S ALSO THREATENING
% AFFORDABLE HOUSING.%YOU LOOK
AT IT AND YOU SAY --
% AFFORDABILITY.
% STUDY SAID THAT WE ARE THE MOST
% AFFORDABLE PUBLIC UNIVERSITY
% SYSTEM IN THE MIDWEST AND WE ARE
% PROUD OF THAT.
% WE THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR
% THE STATE OF WISCONSIN, AND TO
% HAVE OUR UNIVERSITIES BE
% AFFORDABLE, BUT THAT'S BEING
% THREATENED BY THE LACK OF
% INVESTMENT THAT'S GOING INTO OUR
% UNIVERSITIES, AND THAT'S WHAT MY
% FOCUS IS.
% >> THE SYSTEM JUST ANNOUNCED A
% NEW CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER HAS
% BEEN HIRED.
% DID YOU THINK THAT THE
% CONNECTION BETWEEN THAT AND THE
% BUDGET WOULD CAUSE CONFLICT?
% >> THAT POSITION HAS BEEN IN
% PLACE FOR MANY YEARS.
% IT WAS IN POSITION WITH
% PRESIDENT CROSS, IT WAS THERE
% WITH PRESIDENT THOMPSON, SO WE
% WERE SIMPLY FILLING A VACANCY.
% THAT SEARCH STARTED LAST
% NOVEMBER FOR THAT POSITION.
% >> SO GOVERNOR TONY EVERS SAYS
% THAT HE'S THREATENED TO VETO THE
% ENTIRE STATE BUDGET IF THE UW'S
% BUDGET IS CUT IN THIS WAY.
% HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO EITHER
% THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE OR THE
% GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TO TALK THREE
% ABOUT DEI AND THE BUDGET?
% >> WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF
% CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH THE
% LEGISLATORS ACROSS THE BOARD,
% WHAT'S BEEN REASSURING TO ME IS
% THE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THE
% UW SYSTEM IN THE LEGISLATURE.
% WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH
% GOVERNOR EVERS.
% THE VETO IN MY MIND IS DOWN THE
% LINE.
% WE'RE HOPEFUL WE CAN MAKE OUR
% POINT THAT WHY INVESTMENT IN THE
% UW SYSTEM IS AN INVESTMENT IN
% THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF
% WISCONSIN.
% THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON,
% BECAUSE I DO WORRY.
% I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK BACK,
% AND IF I'M STILL ON THIS EARTH
% 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS
% IS A CRITICAL PERIOD ABOUT
% ACCESSIBILITY AND AFFORDABILITY
% IN OUR STATE.
% >> FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
% LISTENING TO THIS INTERVIEW THAT
% DO SUPPORT DEI AND THE MISSION
% INVOLVED WITH THAT, THEY'RE NOT
% HEARING VERY MUCH FROM YOU
% SPEAKING ABOUT YOUR SUPPORT FOR
% THOSE EFFORTS IN THOSE PROGRAMS.
% WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM?
% >> I HAVE REITERATED ON A NUMBER
% OF OCCASIONS THE SUPPORT FOR
% DEI.
% I CAME FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR,
% IN THE FIRM THAT I WAS IN, WE
% FOCUSED ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS
% GOOD BUSINESS, IT WAS IMPORTANT,
% AND MY SUPPORT FOR D & I HAS NOT
% WAVERED.
% >> UW SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING
% BUILDING WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE
% REPUBLICANS ON THE JOINT
% FINANCE.%IS THAT ANOTHER AREA
THAT YOU'RE
% PUSHING FOR OR DO YOU THINK IN A
% SHIP HAS SAILED ON ENGINEERING
% FOR NOW AND RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST
% ON THE SYSTEM BUDGET?
% >> I THINK WE CONTINUE TO
% ADVOCATE FOR ENGINEERING.
% IT WAS THE TOP PRIORITY IN OUR
% CAPITAL BUDGET AND I THINK THE
% LOGIC FOR BUILDING THAT BUILDING
% IS COMPELLING.
% THERE IS ENORMOUS STUDENT DEMAND
% FOR IT.
% THE APPLICANTS, WE CAN'T EVEN
% SATISFY ANYWHERE NEAR THE NUMBER
% OF APPLICANTS THAT ARE THERE.
% WE KNOW THERE ARE JOBS AVAILABLE
% FOR THOSE ENGINEERS, AND
% CRITICAL JOBS INCLUDING IN THE
% STATE OF WISCONSIN.
% WE KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS
% COMMUNITY IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF
% THAT BUILDING.
% WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO EXPAND
% THE -- BU BECAUSE IT'S THE WORLD
% CLASS RESEARCH THAT'S DONE
% THERE.%WE NEED TO ENHANCE THE
% FACILITIES SO THAT WE CAN
% CONTINUE TO GROW THAT WORLD
% CLASS RESEARCH THAT RENOUNCE THE
% BENEFIT OF THIS STATE AND
% FINALLY, YOU LOOK AT THE PRIVATE
% SUPPORT.
% WELL OVER A HUNDRED MILLION
% DOLLARS OF PRIVATE MONEY GOES
% INTO THAT BUILDING.
% THIS IS A BUILDING THAT I WOULD
% THINK THE LEGISLATURE LOOKS AT
% AND SAY "WE NEED TO BUILD THAT
% BUILDING."%WE THINK THAT ARGU
MENT IS
% COMPELLING AND WE ARE GOING TO
% CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT
% BUILDING.
% >> DO YOU THINK SOME OF THIS
% IN-FIGHTING IS ABOUT POLITICAL
% POSTURING, OR ARE THERE REAL
% CONCERNS THE REPUBLICANS WILL
% CUT YOUR BUDGET?
% >> IT'S NOT JUST THE CUT IN THE
% BUDGET; IT IS THAT GULF, AND ARE
% WE GOING TO INVEST IN THE UW
% SYSTEM.%WE ARE THE BEST DEVE
LOPER OF
% TALENT THIS STATE HAS.
% THAT IS CRITICAL AS WE MOVE INTO
% A TECHNOLOGY-DRIVEN KNOWLEDGE
% ECONOMY.% WHERE ARE WE GOING
TO BE FIVE,
% 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW?
% THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE MADE
% TODAY OR THE INVESTMENTS THAT
% ARE NOT MADE TODAY WILL DEFINE
% WISCONSIN'S FUTURE.
% >> WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE.
% JAY ROTHMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
% TIME TODAY.
% >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
% >> ANOTHER BIG TICKET ITEM TAKEN
% UP BY THE FINANCE COMMITTEE
% RECENTLY WAS THE BUDGET FOR THE
% STATE'S DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
% SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THE STATE
% BUDGETING PROCESS, COMMITTEE
% REPUBLICANS PASSED A FRACTION OF
% WHAT DEMOCRATS PROPOSED FOR AN
% INCREASE.
% DEPARTMENT'S OFFICE OF SCHOOL
% SAFETY CREATED IN 2018 DID NOT
% SEE A RENEWAL OF FUNDS
% EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATING IT.
% WE'RE JOINED NOW BY STATE
% ATTORNEY GENERAL JOSH KAUL FOR
% MORE.%THANKS FOR YOUR TIME T
ODAY.
% >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.%
>> SO WHAT WERE THE REASONS YOU
% WERE GIVEN FOR THESE CUTS?
% >> THERE WEREN'T ANY SPECIFIC
% REASONS.
% OUR OFFICE OF SCHOOL SAFETY HAS
% BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS STORY OVER
% THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
% THEY'VE DEVELOPED BOTH
% INNOVATIVE AND EFFECTIVE
% PROGRAMS THAT SCHOOLS AROUND
% WISCONSIN HAVE RELIED ON TO HELP
% KEEP KIDS SAFE.
% WE'VE RELIED ON FEDERAL GRANT
% FUNDING TO LAUNCH THOSE
% PROGRAMS.%THAT'S ACTUALLY ON
E OF THE
% THINGS THAT WE AND D.P.I. WERE
% DIRECTED TO DO IN THE STATUTE
% CREATING THAT OFFICE, AND THE
% LEGISLATURE, UNFORTUNATELY, AT
% LEAST SO FAR, HAS DECIDED NOT TO
% CONTINU PROVIDING -- TO PROVIDE
% ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE NEED
% TO KEEP THE OPERATIONS OF THAT
% OFFICE GOING AND WHAT THAT WOULD
% MEAN FOR SCHOOLS IS THAT THEY
% WOULD LOSES SOME CRITICAL
% PROGRAMS, LIKE OUR 24/7
% CONFIDENTIAL TIP LINE THAT HAS
% HELPED KEEP SCHOOLS IN WISCONSIN
% SAFE.
% >> I KNOW SOME OF THE WORK THAT
% THE OFFICE DID WAS HOW TO DO
% PLANNING AND SCENARIOS FOR LAW
% ENFORCEMENT AND SCHOOLS,
% ESPECIALLY ACTIVE SHOOTER
% SCENARIOS, WHICH ARE HAPPENING
% MORE AND MORE.
% WHAT WILL SCHOOLS DO IN LIEU OF
% THAT?%DO YOU THINK 2450 THEY
'D HAVE
% RELATIONSHIPS AS A SUBSTITUTE?
% >> THERE'S BEEN SOME PROGRESS
% MADE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS,
% BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN
% SUBSTITUTE FOR HAVING THIS
% OFFICE IN SPACE.
% AN EXARCHTION ONE OF THE
% PROGRAMS LAUNCHED BY OUR SCHOOL
% SAFETY IS THIS TIP LINE.
% ANYBODY CAN PROVIDE A TIP AT ANY
% TIME, GET A TRAINED ANALYST TO
% RESPOND TO THAT TIP AND THEN GET
% RESOURCES DEPLOYED.
% WE'VE NOW RECEIVED THOUSANDS OF
% CONTACTS THROUGH THAT LINE AND
% IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE REPORTS
% ABOUT A STUDENT WHO HAD A GUN ON
% A BUS.
% WE GOT THAT INFORMATION TO
% LOCALS AND THEN THAT GUN WAS
% RECOVERED AND AN ARREST WAS
% MADE.
% IN ANOTHER CASE, THERE WAS A
% STUDENT OVERHEARD TALKING ABOUT
% MEETING UP WITH A STRANGER ON
% THE INTERNET.
% WE GOT RESOURCES TO THAT STUDENT
% WORKING WITH LOCAL PARTNERS.
% THAT STUDENT DIDN'T ULTIMATELY
% MEET UP WITH A STRANGER.
% AND IN ANOTHER CASE, THERE WAS
% DISCUSSION ABOUT A POTENTIAL
% PLANNED SCHOOL ATTACK WHERE
% THERE WAS A RESPONSE THAT
% HAPPENED AND THERE WAS A CHECK
% DONE TO MAKE SURE THE SCHOOL WAS
% SAFE.
% THAT KIND OF INFORMATION
% PREVENTS VIOLENCE FROM HAPPENING
% IN OUR SCHOOLS AND THERE'S
% NOTHING THAT'S IN PLACE THAT
% WOULD REPLACE THAT.
% >> DO YOU HAVE ANY ABILITY TO
% REALLOCATE STAFF WITHIN YOUR
% REMAINING DEPARTMENT TO TRY AND
% HELP FILL SOME OF THAT GAP?
% >> WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE WHAT
% OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE, BUT
% THE CLEAREST AND BEST WAY TO
% CONTINUE FUNDING THAT OFFICE IS
% TO HAVE A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT
% THROUGH STATE RESOURCES.
% IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STATE
% ABSOLUTELY CAN AFFORD.
% WE HAVE A HISTORIC BUDGET
% SURPLUS AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE
% HAVE REQUESTED FOR THAT OFFICE
% IS ABOUT $2.2 MILLION OVER A
% TWO-YEAR PERIOD.
% OUR KIDS DESERVE THAT KIND OF
% INVESTMENT IN THEIR SAFETY.
% >> AND NOW ANOTHER AREA OF THE
% BUDGET THAT DIDN'T GET THE BUMP
% YOU WERE HOPING FOR WAS THE
% STATE CRIME LAB.
% WHAT WILL THAT MEAN FOR
% PROSECUTORS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL?
% >> IT WAS DISAPPOINTING TO SEE
% THERE WASN'T MORE OF AN
% INVESTMENT THERE.
% WE APPRECIATE WHAT THERE WAS,
% BUT FAR LESS THAN WE REQUESTED.
% ERIC TONEYEE, PRESIDENT OF THE
% D.A.'S ASSOCIATION JOINED ME TO
% ADVOCATE FOR RESOURCES FOR THE
% LABS, BUT AGAIN, AT A TIME WHEN
% WE HAVE HISTORIC BUDGET SURPLUS,
% THE LEGISLATURE PROVIDED JUST A
% FRACTION OF WHAT WE HAD ASKED
% FOR AND THE MORE ANALYSTS THAT
% WE HAVE, THE MORE EFFICIENTLY WE
% CAN PROCESS EVIDENCE, THE MORE
% EFFECTIVELY OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM
% WORKS.%IT'S DISAPPOINTING THE
RE WASN'T
% MORE INVESTMENT THERE.
% OUR FOCUS RIGHT NOW IN LIGHT OF
% WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS ON THE OFFICE
% OF SCHOOL SAFETY BECAUSE THAT
% OFFICE WILL BE DISMANTLED
% WITHOUT A RENEWED EFFORT TO
% INCLUDE FUNDING IN THE
% LEGISLATURE.%>> AND WHAT HAVE
YOU HEARD SINCE
% THEY DECLINED TO FUND IT IN THE
% FIRST PLACE?
% IS THERE ANY CHANCE THEY COME
% AROUND ON THE?
% IS THERE SOMETHING THE GOVERNOR
% CAN DO?
% >> WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WORKING.
% I'VE BEGUN REACHING OUT TO
% LEGISLATORS.%I'M GOING TO KEE
P DOING THAT.
% I KNOW THAT THERE'S BIPARTISAN
% SUPPORT FOR THIS OFFICE, BUT
% WHERE THINGS END UP IS GOING TO
% DEPEND ON WHAT DECISIONS
% LEGISLATORS MAKE AND WE ARE
% REACHING OUT TO PARTNERS, WE'RE
% COMMUNICATING ABOUT THIS
% BECAUSE, AT THE END OF THE DAY,
% IF WE LOSE THIS OFFICE, THAT'S
% GOING TO IMPACT SCHOOLS ACROSS
% THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AND LEAVE
% OUR KIDS LESS SAFE.
% I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEE
% THAT.
% I'M HOPEFUL THAT LEGISLATORS
% WILL AGREE THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT
% THEY WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN.
% >> IN PAST BUDGET CYCLES OR PAST
% POLITICAL CYCLES, YOU'VE HAD
% ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE BILLS
% COMING OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE
% THAT SEEMED POLITICALLY
% MANEUVERED.%DO YOU SENSE POL
ITICS HERE
% BECAUSE YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT
% RUNNING THIS OFFICE, OR IS IT
% FUNDING WHERE THEY DON'T SEE THE
% NEED FOR THIS OFFICE?
% >> THE STATEMENTS WE'VE HEARD
% WERE PRETTY GENERAL.
% THERE WAS A PARTY LINE VOTE IN
% THE JOINT FINANCE COMMITTEE.
% IT'S REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED TO
% BLOCK THIS IF YOU COULD, BUT I
% AM FUNDING, BUT I AM HOPEFUL
% THERE WILL BE BIPARTISAN
% SUPPORT.% THE OFFICE WAS CRE
ATED IN 2018
% WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.
% IT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY
% GOVERNOR WALKER.
% SCHOOL SAFETY, WE SHOULD ALL
% AGREE, IS A WORTHWHILE
% INVESTMENT FOR OUR KIDS, AND I
% HOPE WE SEE THAT.
% >> ARE YOU HOPING THAT LOCALS
% WILL ACTUALLY SPEAK UP, THAT
% SCHOOLS WILL SPEAK UP?
% IN 30 SECONDS OR LESS, WHAT CAN
% WE HOPE TO SEE OUTSIDE OF JUST
% YOU AND THE POLITICAL PROCESS?
% >> THAT'S WHAT WE'VE STARTED TO
% SEE SO FAR.
% WE'VE WORKED WITH PEOPLE WHO
% WERE PARTNERS OF OURS IN THE
% SCHOOL SAFETY OFFICE'S WORK.
% WE'VE HEARD FROM S.R.O.s
% ALREADY, FROM OTHERS IN LAW
% ENFORCEMENT, FROM SCHOOLS ABOUT
% THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROGRAM.
% I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE
% SEEING THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO
% KEEP REACHING OUT TO ENCOURAGE
% PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT WHY THIS
% PROGRAM IS SO VALUABLE.
% >> ALL RIGHT.
% JOSH KAUL, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
% >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
% >> THE RESULTS OF A
% CONTROVERSIAL FREE SPEECH SURVEY
% ADMINISTERED TO STUDENTS
% THROUGHOUT THE UW SYSTEM FOUND
% IN SOME INSTANCES, CONSERVATIVE
% STUDENTS NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE
% TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS IN THE
% CLASSROOM BEFORE AND ESPECIALLY
% AFTER THE FEBRUARY RELEASE OF
% THOSE SURVEY RESULTS,
% REPUBLICANS HAVE EXPRESSED
% CONCERNS THAT STUDENTS WITH
% CONSERVATIVE VIEWS ARE SHUT OUT
% ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES OR, IN MORE
% EXTREME LANGUAGE, ARE BEING
% INDOCTRINATED BY PROFESSORS.
% FREDERICA FREYBERG SPOKE WITH UW
% MADISON POLITICAL SCIENCE
% PROFESSOR KATHERINE CRAMER WHO
% TOOK ISSUE WITH STUDENT
% INDOCTRINATION IN AN ESSAY SHE
% WROTE ON FREE SPEECH IN THE
% CLASSROOM.%>> IT JUST DOES NO
T AT ALL MATCH
% MY REALITY.
% THE DISCUSSION AROUND WHETHER OR
% NOT INDOCTRINATION IS GOING ON
% ON THE UW MADISON CAMPUS IS JUST
% SO FAR REMOVED FROM MY DAILY
% LIFE AND I, YOU KNOW, AS A
% PERSON WHO HAS GROWN UP IN THIS
% STATE AND WORKED AT THIS
% INSTITUTION AT UW MADISON
% BASICALLY MY ENTIRE CAREER, I'VE
% BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE THIS JOB
% SINCE I FINISHED MY
% DISSERTATION, I MEAN, I JUST --
% I WORRY A LOT ABOUT THE
% CRITICISM OF THIS PLACE BECAUSE
% I KNOW THAT IT'S THE UW MADISON,
% UW SYSTEM IS SO BELOVED BY
% PEOPLE OF THIS STATE AND MY
% EXPERIENCE WITH STUDENTS ON THIS
% CAMPUS IS JUST -- IT'S JUST VERY
% DIFFERENT FROM THE DEBATE THAT'S
% GOING ON AROUND INDOCTRINATION.
% >> WHAT ABOUT THE FREE SPEECH
% SURVEY UNDERTAKEN BY THE UW
% SYSTEM THAT REPUBLICAN
% LEGISLATORS THEMSELVES CALL
% TROUBLING, WHERE IT FOUND THAT
% 60% OF REPUBLICAN STUDENTS FEEL,
% QUOTE, PRESSURED BY AN
% INSTRUCTOR TO AGREE WITH
% SPECIFIC POLITICAL VIEWS BEING
% EXPRESSED IN CLASS.
% WHAT ABOUT THAT SURVEY?
% >> IT'S BEEN MY LIFE'S WORK TO
% CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT IN MY
% CLASSROOM IN WHICH STUDENTS OF
% ALL POLITICAL LEANINGS HAVE THE
% SPACE TO THINK AND TALK WITH
% EACH OTHER AND QUESTION EACH
% OTHER AND GRADUATE FROM THAT
% CLASS WITH A MORE PROFOUND SENSE
% OF WHO THEY ARE AS A CITIZEN.
% SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE
% JUST REALLY -- THAT JUST REALLY
% DISTURBED ME ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE
% IT JUST RUNS AGAINST THE GRAIN
% OF WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO
% FOR DECADES IN MY OWN LIFE.
% AND THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT
% REALLY TROUBLES ME ABOUT THAT
% SURVEY, IS THAT IT REALLY DOES
% NOT COMPORT WELL OR MATCH WELL
% WITH THE RESULTS OF OUR OWN UW
% CAMPUS CLIMATE SURVEY, WHICH WAS
% CONDUCTED IN 2021.
% THEY HAD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT
% MEASURES OF WHO FELT WELCOME ON
% CAMPUS, ABOUT 20, IF I REMEMBER
% RIGHT, AND ACCORDING TO NONE OF
% THOSE MEASURES DO SELF-DESCRIBED
% CONSERVATIVE STUDENTS SAY THEY
% DON'T FEEL WELCOMED.
% AND YET THERE WAS A QUESTION ON
% THAT SURVEY ASKING WHO DO YOU
% THINK DOESN'T FEEL WELCOME ON
% OUR CAMPUS?
% AND MANY, MANY PEOPLE SAID
% CONSERVATIVE STUDENTS.
% SO THERE'S THIS PERSPECTIVE THAT
% CONSERVATIVE STUDENTS ARE
% SILENCED ON OUR CAMPUS, BUT
% CONSERVATIVE STUDENTS THEMSELVES
% DO NOT REPORT FEELING SILENCED.
% SO I'M WORRIED THERE'S A BIG
% MISMATCH IN MY MIND BETWEEN THE
% RESULTS OF THE FREE SPEECH
% SURVEY AND OUR OWN CAMPUS
% CLIMATE SURVEY.
% >> YOU DESCRIBED HOW STUDENTS
% FELT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS AT
% THE START OF YOUR CLASS IN THE
% MIDST OF THIS POLARIZED CLIMATE.
% WHAT IS THAT LIKE WHEN THEY
% FIRST STEP INTO THAT CLASS?
% >> SO ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS -- I
% ASSIGNED TO THEM PORTIONS OF A
% BOOK I PUBLISHED IN 2016 ABOUT
% OUR OWN RURAL URBAN DIVIDE HERE
% IN WISCONSIN.
% MANY OF THE STUDENTS, MOST OF
% THEM ARE FROM AN URBAN OR
% SUBURBAN AREA, WOULD SAY THINGS
% LIKE, OH, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT
% PERSPECTIVE, OR I'VE ALWAYS
% WONDERED WHY, WHY DID PEOPLE IN
% RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTRY VOTE
% FOR DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE IT
% SEEMS TO ME LIKE HE'S A
% CANDIDATE THAT WASN'T GOING TO
% HELP THEM OR HE WOULD BE NOT
% SUPPORTING THE KIND OF POLICIES
% THAT INK WOULD BENEFIT I THINK
% WOULD BENEFIT PEOPLE LIKE THEM.
% I'M TRYING TO GET THEM TO
% UNDERSTAND MORE DEEPLY THEIR OWN
% VIEWS AND TO JUST BASICALLY SEE
% PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT POLITICAL
% VIEWS AS HUMAN BEINGS, AS
% EQUALLY AS HUMAN AND EQUALLY AS
% DIGNIFIED AND WORTHY OF RESPECT
% AS THEY THEMSELVES ARE.
% >> SO THE OTHER THING THAT YOU
% TOUCHED ON IN THIS CLASS WAS
% RACE, AND WHAT WAS YOUR
% TAKE-AWAY FROM THAT?
% >> I PLAY SOME EXCERPTS FOR
% THESE STUDENTS OF CONVERSATIONS
% THAT STUDENTS OF COLOR AND I
% ORGANIZED ON OUR CAMPUS A FEW
% YEARS AGO AND I PLAYED SOME OF
% THE EXCERPTS OF THOSE
% CONVERSATIONS FOR THE BROADER
% CLASS, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY
% WHITE, AND THE STUDENTS ARE
% SHOCKED TO HEAR SOME OF THESE
% STORIES OF STUDENTS JUST TALKING
% ABOUT THE DISCRIMINATION THEY
% FACED JUST IN EVERYDAY LIFE ON
% CAMPUS.
% NOT VIOLENT, BUT SORT OF JUST
% THE COMMON EXPERIENCE OF IT AND
% IT'S INVISIBLE TO A LOT OF THESE
% STUDENTS WHO DON'T EXPERIENCE
% THAT PERSONALLY.
% SO WE TALK ABOUT THAT AS BOTH
% THE WAY YOU HAVE TO REALLY
% LISTEN CAREFULLY FOR DIFFERENT
% FACETS OF PUBLIC OPINION AND THE
% WAY PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES ARE
% SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE
% WAY THEY SEE THE WORLD, BUT THEN
% ALSO AS A STEP TOWARDS, OKAY,
% WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT WHAT PUBLIC
% OPINION IS, HOW IT WORKS, HOW TO
% MEASURE IT, BUT NOW WHAT'S YOUR
% ROLE IN PUBLIC OPINION?
% WHEN YOU LEAVE THIS CLASS, WHEN
% YOU LEAVE THIS UNIVERSITY, WHAT
% KIND OF A PERSON DO YOU WANT TO
% BE OUT THERE IN THE WORLD?
% HOW DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO
% RESPECT YOU AND LISTEN TO YOU
% AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO
% MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE KIND OF
% DEMOCRACY WHERE, SITTING DOWN
% AND TALKING WITH ONE ANOTHER IS
% NOT UNUSUAL.
% >> ALSO AT THE CAPITOL THIS
% WEEK, A REPUBLICAN BILL IS
% MOVING FORWARD THAT WOULD MAKE
% NUMEROUS CHANGES TO HOW
% WISCONSIN REGULATES THE SALE AND
% DISTRIBUTION OF ALCOHOL.
% THE CURRENT LAW WAS DESIGNED IN
% AN AGE WHERE GIANT BREWERS
% DOMINATED THE INDUSTRY, WELL
% BEFORE THE BOOM IN MICRO
% BREWERIES AND WINERIES ACROSS
% THE STATE.
% MARISA WOJCIK SPOKE WITH A CRAFT
% BREWERY OWNER AND PRESIDENT OF
% THE WISCONSIN BREWER'S GILD,
% WILL GLASS, WHOSE LIFE WAS
% UNENDED BY THE STATE'S
% CONVOLUTED LAWS.%>> WE STARTE
D THE BREWING
% PROJEKT BECAUSE THERE WAS A VOID
% IN THE MARKET.
% THOUGHT, HEY IF IT'S NOT THERE,
% MAYBE WE SHOULD START MAKING IT.
% >> WHILE WORKING THROUGH THE
% COMPLICATED PERMITTING PROCESS
% TO START HIS BREWERY, WILL GLASS
% FACED A SIGNIFICANT BARRIER.
% >> BECAUSE MY WIFE'S BUSINESS
% HAD A MUNICIPAL LIQUOR LICENSE,
% I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A
% BREWERY.%ONE OF THE THINGS TH
AT THEY
% ACTUALLY TOLD US WAS THAT IF WE
% GOT DIVORCED, WE COULD THEN HAVE
% THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE SOLVED.
% WHEN IT CAME TO BE A REAL
% CONVERSATION, BECAUSE AT THAT
% POINT WE WERE OVER A HALF
% MILLION DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT
% INTO THIS BUSINESS, WE ALSO THEN
% FOUND OUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAD
% CHILDREN IN COMMON AND THERE
% WOULD BE A FIDUCIARY
% RESPONSIBILITY BETWEEN SPOUSES,
% THAT MONEY WOULD HAVE TO GO
% BETWEEN US, THAT THAT WOULD ALSO
% CONSTITUTE A BRIDGING OF THE
% TIERS AND MADE US INELIGIBLE TO
% GET A BREWER'S PERMIT.
% >> THE TIERS HE'S REFERRING TO
% ARE THE THREE THAT LARGELY
% REGULATE WISCONSIN'S ALCOHOL
% INDUSTRY.
% >> DEPENDING ON IF YOU WANT TO
% BE A PRODUCER, A WHOLESALER OR A
% RETAILER, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO
% ACT AS ONE AND NOT THE OTHER.
% THERE ARE A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS TO
% THAT.
% I STARTED LOOKING AT THE
% STATUTES A LITTLE CLOSER AND I
% WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH
% MY FATHER.
% I WAS DRIVING TO THE GROCERY
% STORE, GETTING SOME MILK, I WAS
% TALKING TO HIM ON THE PHONE, AND
% HE SAID, WELL, WHAT IF I OWNED
% THE BREWERY, AND I SAID, WELL,
% THAT COULD WORK.
% SO WE BASICALLY MADE A DEAL
% WHERE I TRANSFERRED ALL OF MY
% ASSETS INTO HIS NAME, SO ALL OF
% THE DEBT THAT I HAD TAKEN ON,
% ALL OF THE MONEY THAT I HAD
% SAVED FOR YEARS.
% >> WHEN HE THOUGHT THEY HAD
% DOTTED ALL THE "Is" AND%CROS
SED ALL THE "Ts", ANOTHER
% COMPLICATION SUDDENLY AROSE.
% >> THEY TOLD US "NO" AGAIN
% BECAUSE ONE OF THE MANAGEMENT
% EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAD, HIS WIFE
% WAS A BARTENDER AT A BAR IN
% TOWN.
% IT'S ALL THIS CRAZY STUFF, AND
% IT REALLY IS THE UNINTENDED
% CONSEQUENCE OF PEOPLE NOT PAYING
% ATTENTION TO THE CHANGES THAT
% HAPPENED IN 2011 TO OUR
% INDUSTRY.%WE LOST THE ABILIT
Y TO HOLD
% MULTIPLE PERMITS AT THE SAME%
TIME.
% IT JUST TURNED INTO THIS KIND OF
% RAT'S NEST OF COMPLICATIONS AND
% EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE AND
% EXCEPTIONS TO THAT RULE.
% IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO KNOW
% WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.
% WE HOST WEDDINGS UP HERE.
% IT HELPS US TO BECOME MORE
% COMPETITIVE.%>> GLASS HAS SPE
NT YEARS PORING
% OUT OF THE STATUTES OUT OF
% NECESSITY.% HE COULDN'T AFFO
RD A LAWYER TO
% INTERPRET THEM, AND EVEN THEN,
% HE DOESN'T THINK THAT WOULD HAVE
% MATTERED.%>> WITHOUT A DOWN
THE, THE
% STATUTES HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH
% THE MARKET.
% RIGHT NOW, HARD SELTZERS IN THE
% STATE OF WISCONSIN ARE
% CONSIDERED WINE.
% THAT'S AS OF ABOUT TWO MONTHS
% AGO WHEN THE DEPARTMENT OF
% REVENUE DECIDED TO REINTERPRET
% WHAT A HARD SELTZER WOULD BE AS
% OPPOSED TO THE FERMENTED
% BEVERAGE, NOW THEY CONSIDER IT A
% WINE SO IF YOU'RE MAKING HARD
% SELTZER IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WINE
% PERMIT, NOW YOU'RE ILLEGAL.
% THE PROBLEM WITH THE 3-TIER
% SYSTEM IS THAT IT TAKES AWAY A
% LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FROM
% ENTREPRENEURS.%IT HOLDS UP TH
E ABILITY FOR THE
% MARKET TO CHANGE AND FOR US TO
% BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
% >> THE CURRENT BILL SPEEDING
% THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE IS THE
% CULMINATION OF YEARS OF ADVOCACY
% FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
% INDUSTRY.
% >> THIS PROPOSAL THAT'S BEING
% FLOATED RIGHT NOW WE'RE MAJOR
% PROPONENTS OF, IT WOULD CLEAN UP
% THE VAST MAJORITY OF ISSUES THAT
% I HAVE RUN INTO IN THE PAST, THE
% MAJORITY OF ISSUES THAT OUR
% MEMBERS RUN INTO.
% IT'S LONG OVERDUE BECAUSE THE
% OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR INDUSTRY
% HAVE SPENT SO MUCH TIME IN IT,
% CHANGE IS DIFFICULT.
% CHANGE IS HARD.
% THE FUTURE SYSTEM ISN'T GOING
% AWAY, BUT WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS
% IT CREATES ALLOWANCES WITHIN.
% IT GIVES SMBT ABILITY TO OPEN A
% BREWERY WHEN THEIR WIFE OWNS A
% BAR.
% IT GIVES SOMEBODY THE ABILITY TO
% HAVE SMALL LEVELS OF INVESTMENT
% IN OTHER PARTS OF THE INDUSTRY,
% IN OTHER TIERS THAT'S BEEN
% FORBIDDEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
% IT JUST KIND OF OPENS THE MARKET
% UP IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE
% TODAY.
% >> REPORTING FROM EAU CLAIRE,
% IMARIES WOJCIK FOR "HERE AND
% NOW."
% >> AND FINALLY TONIGHT, GOVERNOR
% EVERS RAISES THE JUNETEENTH FLAG
% ABOVE THE CAPITOL BUILDING
% COMMEMORATING THE END OF SLAVERY
% AND EMANCIPATION OF MASTER OF
% SCIENCE IN THE UNITED STATES.
% FOR MORE ON THIS AND OTHER
% ISSUES FACING WISCONSIN, VISIT
% OUR WEBSITE AT PBS WISCONSIN.ORG
% AND CLICK ON THE NEWS TAB.
% THAT IS OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
% FREDERICA FREYBERG WILL BE BACK
% NEXT WEEK.
% I'M ZAC SCHULTZ.
% HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
% (CLOSED CAPTIONING BY RIVERSIDE
% CAPTIONING )
% >> FUNDING FORE"HERE AND NOW" IS
% PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
% JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
% WISCONSIN.