% >> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A
% PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
% PRODUCTION.
% >> IT IS THE ABSOLUTE HONOR OF A
% LIFETIME TO BE ELECTED AS YOUR
% NEXT JUSTICE ON THE WISCONSIN
% SUPREME COURT.
% >> JANET PROTASIEWICZ WINS THE
% OPEN SEAT ON THE HIGH COURT IN A
% SPRING ELECTION THAT BROUGHT
% RECORD SPENDING AND RECORD
% TURN-OUT.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT ON HERE AND NOW,
% WISCONSIN HELD THE MOST
% IMPORTANT ELECTION OF 2023.
% WE'RE BREAKING DOWN ALL OF THE
% RESULTS WITH REPORTER ZAC
% SCHULTZ AND SCOTT ROSS AND BILL
% McCOSHEN GIVE US THEIR
% PARTISAN TAKES.
% IT'S HERE AND NOW FOR APRIL
% 7th.
% >> FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY THE
% FOCUS FUND FOR JOURNALISM AND
% FRIENDS OF PBS WISCONSIN.
% >> JANET PROTASIEWICZ WON A
% SMASHING 11-POINT VICTORY
% TUESDAY NIGHT, WINNING A SEAT ON
% THE WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT AND
% CREATING A NEW LIBERAL MAJORITY
% IN THE PROCESS.
% JANET PROTASIEWICZ DEFEATED
% CONSERVATIVE DANIEL KELLY 55.5%
% TO 44.5% IN A RACE THAT SET
% SPENDING RECORDS AND TURNED OUT
% NEARLY TWO MILLION VOTERS
% STATEWIDE.%AS PART OF OUR ELE
CTION
% COVERAGE, ZAC SCHULTZ WAS AT THE
% PROTASIEWICZ PARTY ON ELECTION
% NIGHT AND HAS THIS STORY.
% >> WELL, WISCONSIN, GUESS WHAT?
% WE DID IT.
% >> THE STAKES OF TUESDAY'S RACE
% FOR A SEAT IN THE WISCONSIN
% SUPREME COURT COULD NOT HAVE
% BEEN MORE CLEAR.
% THE WINNER WOULD DETERMINE THE
% IDEOLOGICAL BALANCE OF THE COURT
% IN A RECORD $45 MILLION IN
% CAMPAIGN SPENDING, MADE SURE
% EVERYONE IN THE STATE KNEW
% ISSUES LIKE ABORTION AND
% REDISTRICTING WERE HANGING IN
% THE BALANCE.
% >> FIRST, IT MEANS THAT
% WISCONSIN VOTERS HAVE MADE THEIR
% VOICES HEARD.
% THEY'VE CHOSEN TO REJECT
% PARTISAN EXTREMISM IN THIS
% STATE.
% >> JANET PROTASIEWICZ SPENT MOST
% OF THE CAMPAIGN TALKING ABOUT
% HER VALUES, MAKING IT CLEAR TO
% VOTERS HOW SHE FELT ABOUT ISSUES
% LIKE ABORTION, EVEN IF SHE
% DECLARED THAT THAT WOULD HAVE NO
% IMPACT ON HOW SHE MIGHT RULE ON
% THE CHALLENGE TO THE STATE'S
% 1849 ABORTION BAN.
% >> OUR STATE IS TAKING A STEP
% FORWARD TO A BETTER AND BRIGHTER
% FUTURE, WHERE OUR RIGHTS AND
% FREEDOMS WILL BE PROTECTED.
% >> THIS WAS THE SECOND BLOW-OUT
% LOSS FOR CONSERVATIVE DANIEL
% KELLY.
% APPOINTED TO THE COURT IN 2016,
% HE BLAMED HIS LOSS IN 2020 ON
% TURN-OUT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC
% PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY HELD ON THE
% SAME DAY.
% THIS TIME, HE HAD NO ONE ELSE TO
% BLAME.%HE SPENT THE LATTER PA
RT OF THE
% CAMPAIGN CALLING JANET
% PROTASIEWICZ A SERIAL LIAR AND
% REPEATED THOSE CLAIMS TUESDAY
% NIGHT AND DID NOT ATTEMPT TO
% LOOK GRACIOUS IN DEFEAT, EVEN
% REFUSING TO MAKE THE CUSTOMARY
% PHONECALL CONCEDING TO HIS
% OPPONENT.
% >> I WISH THAT IN A CIRCUMSTANCE
% LIKE THIS I WOULD BE ABLE TO
% CONCEDE TO A WORTHY OPPONENT.
% BUT I DO NOT HAVE A WORTHY
% OPPONENT TO WHICH I CAN CONCEDE.
% >> AND I WILL BE A PART OF THE
% SOLUTION TO MAKE OUR SUPREME
% COURT, ALONG WITH MY SOON-TO-BE
% NEW COLLEAGUES.
% >> MEANWHILE, PROTASIEWICZ COULD
% BARELY FINISH HER VICTORY SPEECH
% AS SHE WAS WELCOMED INTO THE NEW
% MAJORITY ON THE WISCONSIN
% SUPREME COURT.
% >> THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION
% UPSET THE 15-YEAR CONSERVATIVE
% BALANCE OF POWER ON THE COURT.
% ZAC SCHULTZ JOINS US FROM
% OUTSIDE THE SUPREME COURT
% CHAMBERS NOW AT THE STATE
% CAPITOL.
% HI, ZAC.
% >> HELLO, FRED.
% >> SO THIS RACE SET A LOT OF
% RECORDS.
% WHAT EXPLAINS THE HUGE WIN FOR
% PROTASIEWICZ?%>> WELL, I THI
NK YOU HAVE TO
% LOOK AT A NUMBER OF ISSUES, BUT
% CAMPAIGNS COME DOWN TO THE
% QUALITY OF THE CAMPAIGN.
% PROTASIEWICZ GOT OUT EARLY,
% RAISED A TO HAVE BEEN MONEY AND
% SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU
% HAVE TO LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF
% THE CANDIDATES.
% DAN KELLY HAS RUN AND LOST
% BEFORE.%THERE WERE A LOT OF
NEGATIVES
% ASSOCIATED WITH HIM AND THEN YOU
% HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SALIENT
% ISSUES, AND CLEARLY ABORTION WAS
% ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES
% THAT PEOPLE WERE CONNECTING TO
% THIS CAMPAIGN AND PROTASIEWICZ
% RAN ON THAT ISSUE.
% AND I THINK ALL THREE OF THOSE
% MERGED TOGETHER FOR THE MARGIN
% OF VICTORY THAT WE SAW ON
% TUESDAY.%>> WHERE DID SHE MAK
E GAINS AND
% KELLY TAKE LOSSES THAT WERE
% DIFFERENT FROM OTHER ELECTIONS?
% >> WELL, CERTAINLY YOU FIRST
% HAVE TO LOOK TO THE WOW
% COUNTIES, THE WAUKESHA AND OTHER
% COUNTIES, THOSE SUBURBAN
% COUNTIES OUTSIDE OF MILWAUKEE.
% FOR DECADES, THOSE HAVE BEEN
% REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS, WHERE
% GIVING SCOTT WALKER OVERWHELMING
% MAJORITIES KIND OF COUNTERING
% OUT THE LIBERAL STRONGHOLDS AND
% KIND OF LEAVING MOST ELECTIONS
% UP TO THE REST OF THE STATE.
% WE'VE SEEN THE EROSION AT THE
% REPUBLICAN PARTY SINCE THE TOP
% OF THE BALLOT SINCE DONALD TRUMP
% CAME INTO OFFICE, SINCE THOSE
% ARE PACKED WITH EDUCATED WOMEN
% AND ISSUES LIKE ABORTION HAVE
% BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT,
% ESPECIALLY WITH THE DOBBS RULING
% OVERTURNING ROE VERSUS WADE,
% DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING
% ON THAT AND WE'RE SEEING
% CONTINUALLY SLIPPAGE OF WHAT
% WERE ONCE VERY STRONG REPUBLICAN
% STRONGHOLDS NOW BECOMING UP FOR
% GRABS OR AT LEAST NOT SO MUCH OF
% A BLOW-OUT FOR REPUBLICANS.
% BUT IF YOU LOOK PAST THAT AND
% YOU GET OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTHEAST
% WISCONSIN, YOU CAN LOOK TO THE
% FOX VALLEY.
% PROTASIEWICZ DID REALLY WELL IN
% BROWN AND ALLEGHENY, THE BOW
% COUNTIES THAT ARE IN THAT NEXT
% CLASS OF COUNTIES, AND THEN SHE
% EVEN DID WELL IN SOUTHWESTERN
% WISCONSIN.%WHEN DEMOCRATS DO
WELL THERE,
% THEY WIN STATEWIDE.
% THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE SEEN WITH
% PRIOR LIBERAL WINS FOR THE
% SUPREME COURT AND WITH TAMMY
% BALDWIN HAS HAD BIG VICTORIES IN
% HER SENATE RACES.
% SHE'S DONE WELL IN THOSE PARTS
% OF THE STATE AS WELL.
% >> WITH THE BIG ISSUES, AS YOU
% SAID, ABORTION AND
% REDISTRICTING, HOW SOON ARE SUCH
% CASES EXPECT TO FIND THEIR WAY
% TO THE SUPREME COURT?
% >> WOH WELL, FOR ABORTION, THAT
% ISSUE IS AT A LOWER COURT
% ALREADY.%WE'VE SEEN THE EVERS
% ADMINISTRATION AND OTHER
% LAWSUITS AND THEY'VE BEEN SLOW
% PLAYING THAT.
% THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT ISSUE TO
% GET UP TO THE COURT TOO FAST
% BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T RULE IN
% THE WAY THEY HOPED THEY WOULD,
% AND SO NOW MAYBE THAT LAWSUIT
% PICKS UP STEAM, PERHAPS EVEN GET
% REACHED DOWN AND PICKED RIGHT UP
% TO THE SUPREME COURT ONCE THE
% NEW MAJORITY IS IN THERE IN
% AUGUST.
% PROTASIEWICZ DOESN'T TAKE THE
% SEAT ON THE BENCH BEHIND ME
% UNTIL THEN, SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE
% START TO PERCOLATE THROUGHOUT
% THE SUMMER AND DEFINITELY INTO
% THE FALL.
% AS FOR REDISTRICTING, WE'VE
% ALREADY HEARD REPORTS OF SOME OF
% THE LIBERAL LAW FIRMS STARTING
% TO PUT THEIR CASE TOGETHER FOR
% THEIR REASONS WHY THEY BELIEVE
% THAT IT'S AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL
% GERRYMANDER.%WE SAW THE BLUEP
RINT FOR ONE
% POSSIBLE OVERTURNING
% REDISTRICTING IN THE LIBERAL
% DESCENT TO THE REDISTRICTING
% CASE LAST YEAR IN WHICH THE TIME
% THREE LIBERALS ON THE COURT SAID
% THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE
% COULD BE A TRIAL HELD AND THE
% RESPONSE TO THE U.S. SUPREME
% COURT'S RULING ON WISCONSIN'S
% MATH.
% SO EXPECT THOSE TO BE HAPPENING
% GOING FORWARD.
% DEFINITELY THROUGH THIS FALL
% INTO THE WINTER.
% FOR REDISTRICTING, THERE'S AN
% ELECTION IN 2024.
% THOSE MAPS NEED TO BE IN PLACE
% BY THE SPRING SO THERE'S NOT A
% TON OF TIME FOR THESE BIG ISSUES
% TO COME BEFORE THE COURT AND
% THEN GET SETTLED.
% >> THERE ARE OTHER SUPREME COURT
% ELECTIONS IN THE OFFING, NAMELY
% IN 2025, WHEN THE TERM OF
% LIBERAL JUSTICE ANN WALSH BRADLY
% IS UP.
% >> ABSOLUTELY GOING TO RUN
% AGAIN.%I DO HAVE, BY THE WAY,
I DO HAVE
% AN IDEA, AND IT IS, YES, AFTER
% TONIGHT'S PERFORMANCE AND SEEING
% THE ENERGY IN THIS ROOM, I'M NOT
% ONLY GOING TO RUN, I'M GOING TO
% WIN.
% >> SO LIBERALS FEEL LIKE THEY
% ARE ON A NEW ROLL NOW.
% IS THAT FAIR?
% >> OH, ABSOLUTELY.
% YOU LOOK AT THE PAST FEW
% ELECTIONS FOR THE SUPREME COURT,
% ASIDE FROM 2019, WHERE THAT WAS
% EXPECTED TO BE A LIBERAL WIN AND
% JUSTICE HAGEDORN WON BY JUST A
% FEW THOUSAND VOTES, LIBERALS
% HAVE BEEN WINNING BY LARGE
% MARGINS, 10-POINT MARGINS FOR
% THE LAST FEW RACES OUTSIDE OF
% THAT PARTICULAR ONE AND WE HAVE
% TO POINT OUT THAT NO PERSON EVER
% ELECTED TO THE SUPREME COURT HAS
% GONE AND LOST A RE-ELECTION.
% THE ONLY TIME THAT A SITTING
% MEMBER HAS BEEN DEFEATED IN A
% RE-ELECTION IS WHEN THEY WERE
% APPOINTED.% THAT HAPPENED TO
JUSTICE KELLY
% AND THAT HAPPENED TO LEWIS
% BUTLER BACK IN 2009, SO THE
% HISTORY OF ELECTED OFFICIALS IS
% QUITE STRONG WHEN IT COMES TO
% LOOKING FORWARD TO 2025, WHICH
% IS WHEN ANN WALSH BRADLY WOULD
% BE ON THE BALLOT AGAIN.
% >> A PROCESS QUESTION.
% AT THIS POINT, DOES ANN WALSH
% BRADLY DEFACTO BECOME CHIEF
% JUSTICE?
% >> NO, SHE DOES NOT.
% ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL
% AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED BY
% REPUBLICANS AND APPROVED BY
% VOTERS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
% THE SUPREME COURT GETS TO ELECT
% THEIR OWN CHIEF JUSTICE.
% RIGHT NOW THAT IS CONSERVATIVE
% ANNETTE ZIEGLER AND SHE WAS JUST
% RE-ELECTED RECENTLY.
% HOW MUCH, THE SUPREME COURT GETS
% TO MAKE THEIR OWN RULES SO WHEN
% JANET PROTASIEWICZ BECOMES
% JUSTICE PROTASIEWICZ THIS
% SUMMER, THEY WILL HAVE A
% MAJORITY AND THEY COULD DECIDE
% THEY WANT TO TAKE A VOTE ON WHO
% THE CHIEF JUSTICE IS AT THAT
% TIME AND YOU WOULD EXPECT IF
% THAT HAPPENS, THAT IT WOULD BE
% ANN WALSH BRADLY WHO WOULD
% BECOME THE CHIEF AND THAT WILL
% BE UP TO THE COURT AT THAT TIME,
% IS THEY GET TO SET THEIR OWN
% RULES AND QUITE HONESTLY,
% THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO APPEAL
% TO.%THEY ARE THE SUPREME COU
RT.
% >> INDEED.
% SO HAVING REPORTED ON THIS AS
% WELL, ZAC, YOU KNOW THAT ANOTHER
% BIG ELECTION TUESDAY WAS FOR THE
% STATE SENATE EIGHTH DISTRICT
% WITH A ON THE LINE N. A CLOSE
% RACE, DAN KOANDLE STOPPED JODI
% HAY BISHOP SINYKIN.
% NOW, THE SUPERMAJORITY ALLOWS
% THE SENATE TO IMPEACH PUBLIC
% OFFICIALS.
% DAN KNODLE SPOKE TO THAT
% OPPORTUNITY.
% >> I REALLY COULD INVOLVE ANY
% OFFICIAL, PARTICULARLY ELECTED
% OFFICIALS, OUR GOVERNMENT
% OFFICIALS AS WELL, SO I WOULD
% THINK IT'S -- I VIEW IT
% INITIALLY AS ALL ENCOMPASSING.
% >> SO DAN KNODLE SEEMS ALL IN ON
% IMPEACHING PEOPLE, BUT HOW
% SERIOUS IS THE REPUBLICAN
% MAJORITY ABOUT THOSE NEW POWERS?
% >> WELL, THEY HAVE YET TO BE
% TESTED.% THIS HAS NOT BEEN
A REALITY IN
% THE MODERN ERA OF WISCONSIN
% POLITICS.%DAN KNODLE WAS CAM
PAIGNING AT
% THAT TIME.
% HE WANTED THAT ISSUE TO BE
% SALIENT FOR THE VOTERS IN HIS
% AREA IS WHY HE SHOULD BE
% ELECTED.%THE QUESTION IS WHET
HER THAT
% WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
% THAT IS A BIG PROCESS.
% IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE TAKEN
% LIGHTLY.
% EVEN THOUGH REPUBLICANS HAVE 22
% MEMBERS, THAT IS A HUGE MAJORITY
% AND NOT EVERY ONE OF THOSE
% MEMBERS SEEM TO BE ON BOARD AT
% THIS TIME.
% WE'VE HEARD FROM SENATE MAJORITY
% LEADER SAY IMPEACHING PEOPLE AND
% THE WHOLE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS
% UNCERTAIN LEGALLY.
% SOME OF THOSE TERMS AREN'T
% DEFINED, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO BE
% LEANING BACK TO THE COURTS
% GETTING INVOLVED IF THEY WANTED
% TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR
% ANYBODY.
% >> SO IT COULD SPELL TROUBLE.
% THEY WENT AHEAD WITH THAT.
% ZAC SCHULTZ, THANKS VERY MUCH
% FOR YOUR COVERAGE THROUGH THESE
% ELECTION SEASONS.%>> THANKS,
FRED.
% >> AT THE BOTTOM OF TUESDAY'S
% BALLOT WERE TWO QUESTIONS POSED
% TO VOTERS TO AMEND THE STATE
% CONSTITUTION.
% THE FIRST QUESTION ON EXPANDING
% CONDITIONS OF RELEASE PASSED
% WITH MORE THAN 66% VOTING YES.
% THE SECOND QUESTION ON EXPANDING
% WHEN CASH BAIL CAN BE IMPOSED
% ALSO PASSED WITH MORE THAN 67%
% VOTING YES.
% FOR SOME IN THE COURT SYSTEM,
% THIS WAS GOOD NEWS.
% FOR OTHERS WHO OPPOSED THE
% MEASURES, THEY'RE WARNING OF THE%
CONSEQUENCES.
% >> IT GOES BACK TO 2017, WHERE
% THIS WAS FIRST FLOATED TO AMEND
% THE WISCONSIN CONSTITUTION,
% REALLY GAINED MORE TRACTION
% AFTER THE WAUKESHA PARADE
% MASSACRE WITH DARRELL BROOKS.
% >> THE TWO SIDES OF THE
% COURTROOM HAVE COME DOWN ON
% OPPOSING SIDES OF THE QUESTIONS
% THAT CAME BEFORE WISCONSIN
% VOTERS.
% >> OUR WISCONSIN DISTRICT
% ATTORNEY'S ASSOCIATION HAS
% SUPPORTED THIS CONSTITUTIONAL
% AMENDMENT AND WE ARE VERY
% EXCITED THAT THE VOTERS OF
% WISCONSIN JOINED US IN
% OVERWHELMINGLY VOTING TO GIVE
% MORE FACTORS FOR OUR JUDGES TO
% LOOK AT WHEN SETTING CASH BAIL
% AS WELL AS SOME OF THE
% NON-MONETARY BAIL CONDITIONS, SO
% IT SHOULD HAVE A NETEFFECT OF
% MAKING WISCONSIN SAFER, BUT ALSO
% ENSURING THAT OUR JUDGES ARE ALL
% SETTING BAIL WITH THE SAME%RU
LES.
% >> WE DID SEEK AGAINST THE
% AMENDMENTS WHEN THEY WERE MAKING
% THEIR WAY THROUGH THE
% LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, REALLY OUR
% PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THEM IS THE
% EXPANDED ROLE THAT MONEY WOULD
% PLAY IN THE BAIL SYSTEM.
% UNDER THE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE
% FUNDAMENTALLY, CASH IS NOT A
% GUARANTEE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND
% THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE
% SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE NUMBER
% OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN
% CUSTODY WHILE STILL PRESUMED
% INNOCENT.%>> OVERALL, THE AM
ENDMENTS
% PASSED WILL EXPAND THE CRITERIA
% JUDGES CAN CONSIDER WHEN SETTING
% PRETRIAL RELEASE CONDITIONS.
% >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT CASH
% BAIL WAS FOR PRIOR TO THIS
% AMENDMENT, THE ONLY REASON IN
% THE WISCONSIN CONSTITUTION THAT
% ALLOWED FOR CASH BAIL WAS TO
% ASSURE A DEFENDANT'S APPEARANCE
% IN COURT AND NOW IT SAYS THAT WE
% LOOK AT THE DROWSINESS OF THE
% DEFENDANT, WE LOOK AT THE PRIOR
% CRIMINAL RECORD OF THE ACCUSED,
% WE LOOK AT THE DEFENDANT
% APPEARING IN COURT.
% WE ALSO LOOK AT PROTECTING
% WITNESSES FROM SERIOUS HARM.
% SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
% ADDITIONAL FACTORS THAT A JUDGE
% IS NOW ABLE TO LOOK AT TO
% DETERMINE IF CASH BAIL IS
% APPROPRIATE.
% >> BY EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF
% CONSIDERATIONS, YOU TAKE AWAY
% THE ABILITY TO ARGUE THAT THIS
% PERSON WILL SHOW UP IN COURT IN
% THE FUTURE AND THAT LIMITS THE
% ABILITY TO ARGUE AGAINST CASH
% BAIL.
% >> THE USE OF CASH FOR S.P.D.
% CLIENTS WHO ARE BY DEFINITION
% POOR, EVEN LOW CASH BAIL AMOUNTS
% OF $250, $500, COULD BE ENOUGH
% TO KEEP THEM IN JAIL, AND SO
% WHEN WE INCREASE THE ROLE OF
% CASH AND NUMBER OF SITUATIONS IN
% CASES WHERE IT'S USED, WE'RE
% GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN THE
% NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T
% AFFORD TO PAY THAT CASH BAIL AND
% WHO ARE HELD IN CUSTODY.
% >> I'VE HAD JUDGES THAT WILL ASK
% SOMEBODY, HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU
% HAVE IN YOUR POCKET RIGHT NOW?
% $10.
% OKAY.
% THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ORDER
% FOR CASH.
% THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE'LL MAKE
% A REQUEST FOR 25, 50, MAYBE A
% HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHERE IT'S
% SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE A
% DEFENDANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO POST,
% BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT
% COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
% MONEY FOR THAT PARTICULAR
% DEFENDANT, DEPENDING ON THEIR
% CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IT DOESN'T
% REQUIRE A JUDGE TO ORDER CASH
% BAIL AND THERE ARE ALREADY
% PROTECTIONS IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM
% FOR DEFENDANTS WHO HAVE CASH
% BAIL ORDERED.
% IT'S ALSO THOSE NON-MONETARY
% CONDITIONS THAT THE -- ONE OF
% THE AMENDMENTS ADDRESSED TO LOOK
% AT SERIOUS HARM, NOT JUST WHAT
% WAS PREVIOUSLY SERIOUS BODILY
% HARM.%SO THERE ARE OTHER FAC
TORS THAT
% JUDGES NOW GET TO LOOK AT
% WHEN -- IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
% ORDER CASH, NOW THE JUDGES HAVE
% AN EXPANDED ABILITY TO LOOK AT
% THE HARM THAT MIGHT BE ECONOMIC,
% EMOTIONAL, OTHER TYPE OF
% POTENTIAL HARM THAT COULD BE
% CAUSED.
% >> THE LIST IS BEYOND WHAT I
% THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER
% TO BE VIOLENT.
% IT INCLUDES CRIMES SUCH AS
% DISORDERLY CONDUCT, IF YOU HAVE
% A KNIFE OR OTHER LOW LEVEL
% OFFENSES THAT RIGHT NOW ARE NOT
% EVEN OFTEN CHARGED.
% >> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO
% UNDERSTAND IS KEEPING AN EYE ON
% THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
% AS I SAID, THE RESEARCH AND
% EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT WE WON'T
% SEE A DECREASE IN CRIME RATES AS
% A RESULT OF THIS.
% IN FACT, THERE MAY BE A SLIGHT
% UPTICK.%THAT'S ALSO WHY THE
RESEARCH
% SHOWS THAT A BETTER MODEL IS ONE
% THAT IS BASED ON RISK ASSESSMENT
% AND NOT THE RULE OF CASH BAIL.
% THERE'S GOING TO BE A
% REALIZATION IN THE VERY NEAR
% FUTURE THAT THIS HAS SIGNIFICANT
% IMPACT ON COST TO COUNTIES IN
% TERMS OF INCREASED JAIL
% POPULATION.
% >> PROBABLY IT MAY BE HARD TO
% SEE EXACTLY HOW THIS PLAYS OUT
% IN DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND YOU
% MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT JAIL
% POPULATION TO SEE IF A COUNTY IS
% EXPERIENCING A HIGHER NUMBER OF
% DEFENDANTS PRETRIAL IN JAIL,
% THAT A NUMBER THAT CERTAINLY CAN
% BE LOOKED AT, BUT YOU CAN'T LOOK
% AT THAT IN ISOLATION BECAUSE
% SOMETIMES THERE CAN BE AN UPTICK
% IN CRIME THAT COULD BE
% RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT OR IT COULD
% BE THAT CASES ARE TAKING LONGER
% TO RESOLVE BECAUSE OF OTHER
% ISSUES.% >> NOW WE HAVE TO
WAIT AND SEE
% HOW THIS HAS PRACTICAL IMPACT
% DAY TO DAY, COUNTY-BY-COUNTY,
% JUDGE-BY-JUDGE, AND TRY AND
% FIGURE OUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE
% PRACTICAL IMPACTS ARE.
% AND THEN THAT OTHER QUESTION TO
% ASK IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE
% COUNTY BOARDS ARE CONSIDERING
% THE BOND EACH SUMMER AND FALL
% WHEN THOSE COSTS GO UP AND THE
% TAXPAYERS ARE ASKED TO SHOULDER
% THAT BURDEN, IS THIS HOW YOU
% WANT YOUR TAX DOLLARS BEING
% SPENT, IS IT HAVING THE INTENDED
% EFFECT?%>> RESULTS OF THE MA
IN CHOICE ON
% THE BALLOT LEFT A JUBILANT
% WINNER AND AN ANGRY LOSER.
% THIS SHIFTS THE BALANCE OF THE
% COURT TO A LIBERAL MAJORITY.
% MUCH WATCHED RESULT WITH
% POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS GOING
% FORWARD.% FOR MORE, WE CHECK
IN WITH OUR
% POLITICAL PANELIST DEMOCRAT
% SCOTT ROSS AND REPUBLICAN BILL
% McCOSHEN AND THANK YOU FOR
% BEING WITH US.%>> GOOD TO BE
HERE.
% >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.%
>> FIRST, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT
% DANIEL KELLY'S CONCESSION
% SPEECH.%WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGH
TS ON THAT,
% BILL?%>> WELL, YOU WANT TO W
IN WITH
% GRACE AND HUMILITY AND LOSE WITH
% CLASS AND HUMILITY AND HE DID
% NOT DO THAT.
% I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOSE BY 11
% POINTS, THAT'S A LANDSLIDE IN
% THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
% YOU NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE
% HUMBLE.%I THINK IT WAS INSUL
TING TO ALL
% THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED SO HARD
% FOR HIM, FOLKS THAT DONATED TO
% HIM.%I MEAN, THAT'S A REPRESE
NTATION
% ON THEM, TOO, AND HE DIDN'T
% THINK ABOUT THAT.
% YOU'VE GOT TO LOSE WITH CLASS.
% >> WHEN YOU SAW THAT, WHAT DID
% YOU THINK?
% >> I THOUGHT IT'S THE FACE OF
% THE REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW
% BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DECISIVE AND
% EXTREME.%HE IS THE EMBODIMENT
OF WHERE
% THE REPUBLICAN HAS GONE.
% IT'S NOT WHERE BILL'S AT.
% IT'S THE TRUMP, THE DeSANTIS,
% THE DIVISION, JUST THE REJECTION
% OF WHAT HAVE BEEN NORMS IN BOTH
% POLICY AND POLITICS.
% >> SO, BILL, THIS WAS AN
% 11-POINT WIN, AS YOU POINTED
% OUT.%THAT WAS A TROUNCING.
% WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED?
% >> WELL, IT WAS TWICE AS BAD AS
% HIS LAST RACE IN 2020.
% HE LOST BY ABOUT 110,000 VOTES A
% COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THIS ONE
% WAS MORE LIKE 225,000.
% I THINK MONEY WAS A FACTOR AND
% THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF
% MONEY.
% THE MONEY THAT JANET
% PROTASIEWICZ WAS ABLE TO RAISE
% IN HER CAMPAIGN GOES FURTHER
% BUYING MORE CAMPAIGN ADS.
% SHE HAD WAY MORE POINTS THAN HE
% DID.
% HE ALWAYS STRUGGLED TO RAISE
% MONEY.
% JOHN RAISED TWICE AS MUCH MONEY
% AS HE DID IN THE PRIMARY AND HE
% NEVER PICKED IT UP IN THE
% GENERAL, SO SHE HAD A HUGE
% ADVANTAGE ON THE TYPES OF ADS
% SHE COULD SEE BUY AND AT WHAT
% RATE.
% THINGS SEEMED A LITTLE BIT EQUAL
% AS IT RELATED TO THIRD PARTIES,
% BUT THOSE ADS ARE FAR MORE
% EXPENSIVE AND THE CANDIDATE
% DOESN'T CONTROL THOSE MESSAGES,
% SO HE WAS OUTMANNED AND
% OUT-MONEYED.%>> WAS IT ABOUT
THE MONEY?
% >> I THINK IT'S FOUR THINGS.
% LET ME SAY THAT BILL REMINDS US,
% YOU KNOW N-TALKING ABOUT KELLY'S
% LAST LOSS, THAT SINCE 2016,
% DEMOCRATS HAVE WON 15-OF-18
% STATEWIDE ELECTIONS.
% THIS IS A TREND.
% THEY WON THE 2018 SUPREME COURT
% SEAT, 55-TO-45, AND THEY WON THE
% ONE IN 2020, THE SAME.
% IT'S GONE FROM 110,000 TO
% 250,000 TO 200,000.
% THE TRENDS ARE NOT RIGHT FOR THE
% REPUBLICANS BOTH IN THE TURN-OUT
% IN PLACES LIKE DAN COUNTY AND
% MILWAUKEE COUNTY, INTLOW IN THE
% WOW COUNTIES.
% JANET PROTASIEWICZ WON THE CITY
% OF WAUKESHA, THE PLACE WHERE
% SCOTT WALKER HAD 73% IN 2014.
% BUT, AGAIN, THE DEMOCRATS, THEY
% HAVE THE MONEY, THEY HAVE THE
% MESSAGE, THEY HAVE THE MACHINE,
% AND THEY HAVE THE MOTIVATION AND
% THAT'S GOING TO WIN ELECTIONS.
% >> WHAT KIND OF A WAKE-UP CALL
% IS THIS FOR REPUBLICANS?
% ARE REPUBLICANS NOW ON THE WRONG
% SIDE OF THE BARK ISSUE PLOTICAL?
% >> THEY'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF
% THE ISSUE.
% THERE WERE THREE STATE
% REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT TWO.
% RELATED TO BAIL, CASH BAIL.
% ONE PASSED WITH 67%.
% THE OTHER HAD 68%.
% THEN THERE WAS A REFERENDUM
% QUESTION ADVISORY ON ABLE-BODIED
% CHILDLESS ADULTS WORKING.%TH
AT PATH WITH 80%.
% ALL 72 COUNTIES VOTED FOR THOSE
% THREE REFERENDUM, INCLUDING DANE
% AND MILWAUKEE.
% WE'RE RIGHT ON THE ISSUES.
% WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB ON
% CANDIDATE SCREENING.
% >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIN A
% STATE-WIDE ISSUE ON ANY OF THE
% THREE THINGS HE'S TALKING ABOUT,
% BUT ON ABORTION IT'S GOING TO
% BECAUSE IT HITS PEOPLE HARD.
% IT'S NOW A DISQUALIFY -- TO BE
% ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE IN
% STATEWIDE ELECTIONS IS
% DISQUALIFYING.%IN THE LAST SE
VERAL YEARS, SAVE
% FOR ONE.
% SAVE FOR RON JOHNSON.
% NOT ONLY IS IT TOXIC IN PLACES
% LIKE DANE COUNTY AND MILWAUKEE,
% BUT JANET WON THE THIRDS
% CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, THE
% FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT
% SOUNDLY.
% SHE WON IN PLACES LIKE THE
% FRENCH QUARTER, EAU CLAIRE AND
% LACROSSE, 64% IN BOTH OF THOSE
% COUNTIES.%REPUBLICANS ARE IN
A LOT OF
% TROUBLE IF THEY DON'T CHANGE.
% I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO.
% >> KELLY LET PROTASIEWICZ DEFINE
% HIS POSITION ON ABORTION.
% VOTERS NEVER KNEW WHAT HIS
% POSITION WAS ON ABORTION IF
% YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRO-LIFE,
% THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE
% PROACTIVE.%YOU CAN'T LET YOUR
OPPONENT
% DEFINE YOU ON ISSUES SUCH AS
% THAT AND IT WAS A HUGE PROBLEM
% FOR KELLY, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
% >> SCOTT, DOES THIS KIND OF
% SPELL THE TURN FROM THE SCOTT
% WALKER ERA?
% >> WITHOUT A DOUBT, ABSOLUTELY,
% 100%.
% GIVEN WHERE THE REPUBLICANS ARE
% ON ABORTION, AND GIVEN WHERE THE
% PUBLIC IS AND HOW THEY SEE THE
% SUPREME COURT BEING THAT A TO B
% LINE, BECAUSE THE OVERTURNING OF
% THE 1849 BAN WHEN IT HAPPENS,
% THAT'S GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN
% THE SUPREME COURT ELECTIONS FROM
% NOW UNTIL THE NEXT 10 YEARS SO
% WE'VE GOT ONE'S UP IN 25, TWO
% REPUBLICANS UP IN 26 AND 27.
% AFTER 27, DEMOCRATS COULD IN
% THEORY HAVE SIX OF THE SEVEN
% SUPREME COURT SEATS.
% >> WE SORT OF RUN THROUGH
% WALKER-BACKED CANDIDATES WITH
% REBECCA CLAY FISH AND NOW DANIEL
% KELLY, BUT NOW HIS POLICIES ARE
% GOING TO BE UP FOR GRABS IN THE
% NEW SUPREME COURT.
% WHEN JANET PROTASIEWICZ GETS
% INVESTED IN AUGUST, THERE'S TWO
% YEARS WHERE PROGRESSIVES WILL
% HAVE FULL CONTROL OR THE
% MAJORITY ON THE WISCONSIN
% SUPREME COURT AND A LOT OF HIS
% POLICIES MIGHT BE ON THE LINE.
% >> BILL, SCOTT WALKER SAYS THAT
% UW MADISON HELPED DANE COUNTY'S
% NUMBERS BECAUSE HE SAYS, QUOTE,
% LIBERALS ARE INDOCTRINATING
% YOUNG PEOPLE AND TURNING THEM
% OUT TO VOTE.
% WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?
% >> MY RESPONSE IS DANE COUNTY
% HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR
% REPUBLICANS FOR 20 YEARS.
% WE FINALLY HAVE NEW LEADERSHIP.
% NAPOLI IS GOING TO DO A VERY
% GOOD JOB.
% I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE NEW
% LEADERSHIP IN DANE COUNTY, BUT
% WE'RE A WAYS BEHIND WHERE
% DEMOCRATS ARE.
% THEY HAVE FIGURED OUT THAT THEY
% CAN HARVEST MORE VOTES HERE IN
% DANE COUNTY THAN ANY OTHER
% COUNTY IN THE STATE AND BUILD UP
% A MASSIVE ADVANTAGE.
% JANET PROTASIEWICZ HAD 153,000
% VOTE ADVANTAGE JUST IN DANE
% COUNTY.%IT'S GOING TO TAKE S
OME TIME TO
% FIX IT FOR REPUBLICANS.
% MESSAGE MATTERS, CANDIDATES
% MATTER, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE
% SOME TIME.
% >> JANET WON 12 COUNTIES THAT
% HAVE UW CAMPUSES.
% THE REASON THAT PEOPLE AREN'T
% VOTING IS BECAUSE SCOTT WALKER
% WANTS TO RAISE MONEY FOR ITS NEW
% OPERATION.
% IT'S BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE
% WRONG ON THE ISSUES OF ABORTION,
% TRANSGENDER, RIGHTS, VOTING,
% EDUCATION ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.
% >> A MINUTE LEFT.
% WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR
% 2024?%>> THE IMPLICATIONS AR
E THAT
% WHAT'S HIS NAME DERIC VAN HORTON
% AND BRIAN STYLE BETTER WATCH OUT
% BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY
% MIGHT BE GOING OUT IF D.C.
% INVESTS IN WISCONSIN ELECTIONS,
% WE'RE GOING TO WIN.
% WE'VE PROVEN IT TIME AND TIME
% AGAIN.%YOU PUT THE MONEY IN,
WE GET THE
% RIGHT CANDIDATES, WE WIN THE
% ELECTIONS.%>> TOO SOON TO TEL
L.
% WE NEED A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE AT
% THE TOP OF THE TICKET OTHER THAN
% DONALD TRUMP IF WE WANT TO WIN
% IN THE SUNBURNS.
% YOU EVER TO WIN THE BOW AND THE
% WOW COUNTIES.
% JANET PROTASIEWICZ WON ALL THREE
% OF THE BOW COUNTIES AND SHE CUT
% THE 345R7B8GS IN THE WOW
% SIGNIFICANTLY.%WE NEED A DIFF
ERENT CANDIDATE AT
% THE TOP OF THE TICKET.
% AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL, JUST
% KEEP PASSING PROACTIVE POLICIES
% THAT VOTERS RESPOND TO AND I
% THINK THAT FORMULA WORKS.
% >> 27 COUNTIES SHE WON INCLUDING
% SOUTHWEST AND SOUTH CENTRAL PART
% OF THE STATE, 27 COUNTIES.
% >> WE NEED TO LEAVE IT THERE.
% SCOTT ROSS, BILL McCOSHEN,
% THANK YOU.
% WITH SPRING ELECTIONS OVER,
% STATE LAWMAKERS TURN THEIR
% ATTENTION TO CRAFTING THE NEW
% TWO-YEAR STATE BUDGET.
% AFTER GOVERNOR TONY EVERS
% RELEASED HIS BUDGET PROPOSAL IN
% FEBRUARY, REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS
% ARE NOW BUILDING THEIR OWN
% EXPECTED PLAN WORKING WITH A $7
% BILLION SURPLUS.
% MORE THAN 1,500 PEOPLE SHOWED UP
% WEDNESDAY AS THE LEGISLATURE'S
% BUDGET WRITING COMMITTEE HELD
% ITS FIRST LISTENING SESSION.
% MANY OF THOSE TESTIFYING BEFORE
% THE COMMITTEE CAME SEEKING MORE
% MONEY FOR K THROUGH 12
% EDUCATION.%>> HAVING NO INCRE
ASE ON THE PER
% PUPIL REVENUE LIMIT FOR THE LAST
% TWO SCHOOL YEARS HAS BEEN
% EXTREMELY CHALLENGING,
% ESPECIALLY DURING A TIME WHEN
% WE'VE HAD TO REACT TO EXTREME
% INFLATION RATES, STAFF
% SHORTAGES, AND NAVIGATE A SAFE
% RETURN TO SCHOOL IN THIS GLOBAL
% PANDEMIC.
% HAVING NO INCREASE IN THE
% REVENUE LIMIT DURING A TIME WHEN
% WE NEEDED IT THE MOST HAS CAUSED
% US TO RELY ON ONE-TIME DOLLARS
% AND THESE DOLLARS ARE RUNNING
% OUT.
% >> I WAS PLEASED TO KNOW THAT I
% HAD FOUND AN EDUCATION FACILITY
% THAT MET MY NEEDS FOR MY SON AND
% MY NEEDS AS A PARENT AS WELL.
% I FOUND IT WITHIN MY COMMUNITY.
% I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT CLOSING
% THE FUNDING GAP ACROSS ALL
% SECTORS OF EDUCATION IN THE
% STATE OF WISCONSIN SO THAT OUR
% SCHOOLS CAN CONTINUE TO CLOSE
% THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP THAT HAS
% PLAGUED OUR CITY.
% >> THE JOINT FINANCE COMMITTEE
% WILL HOLD THREE MORE PUBLIC
% LISTENING SESSIONS ON THE STATE
% BUDGET LATER THIS MONTH IN
% EAU CLAIRE, WISCONSIN DELLS AND
% MINUMINUMINOQUA.
% CLICK ON THE NEWS TAP.
% THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
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% WISCONSIN.