% >> LAC DU FLAMBEAU RESIDENTS
% PUSH BACK AFTER WEEKS WITHOUT
% ACCESS TO AND FROM THEIR HOMES.
% AND A YEAR INTO UKRAINE'S
% INNOVATION, THESE VOLUNTEERS
% REFUSE TO LOSE MOMENTUM.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW," AB
% UPDATE ON THE EASEMENT DISPUTE
% IN LAC DU FLAMBEAU.
% THE U.W. SYSTEM PRESIDENT ASKS
% TO END THE TUITION FREEZE.
% AND ELECTION OFFICIAL DESCRIBES
% FUTURE SECURITY CHALLENGES AND
% VOLUNTEERS BRING POWER TO
% UKRAINE.
% IT'S "HERE AND NOW," FOR
% MARCH 3RD.
% FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS%
PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FORJO
URNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
% WISCONSIN.
% >> RESIDENTS LIVING ON THE LAC
% DU FLAMBEAU RESERVATION FILED A
% FEDERAL LAWSUIT TUESDAY OVER
% BARRICADES BLOCKING FOUR ROADS
% THAT CUT THROUGH TRIBAL LANDS.
% AN EASEMENT TO THE ROADS EXPIRED
% 10 YEARS AGO.
% THE LAC DU FLAMBEAU TRIBE IS
% TODAY ASKING FOR $20 MILLION FOR
% RIGHT-OF-WAY ACCESS AND TRESPASS
% DAMAGES.
% THE LAWSUIT SEEKS AN INJUNCTION
% TO THE BARRICADES, AS RESIDENTS
% HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME AND
% GO FROM THEIR HOMES FOR MORE
% THAN A MONTH NOW, AND
% COMMUNICATION WITH THE TRIBE HAS
% ALL BUT CEASED.
% HOMEOWNER AND PLAINTIFF DAVE
% MEISS TOLD PBS WISCONSIN, QUOTE,
% THIS IS AFFECTING HOMEOWNERS'
% PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH.
% WE HAVE BECOME DISCOURAGED
% BEYOND THE ABILITY FOR U.N. ONE
% TO HELP US.
% WE LIKELY ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF
% WEEKS BEFORE THE ICE BECOMES
% DANGEROUS TO CROSS.
% ONCE THAT HAPPENS WE ARE TRULY
% STUCK AND HAVE TO MAKE DECISION
% WHETHER WE HAVE TO ABANDON OUR
% HOMES.
% FOR THE TRIBE'S PART, A
% STATEMENT SAID, QUOTE, THE TOWN
% AND TITLE COMPANIES WANT THE
% TRIBE TO GIVE THEM RIGHT-OF-WAY
% ACCESS FOREVER.
% ESSENTIALLY THEY ARE ASKING US
% TO GIVE UP OUR LAND.
% WE HAVE GIVEN UP MILLIONS OF
% ACRES OF LAND OVER GENERATIONS.
% WE NOW LIVE ON A 12 BY 12 SQUARE
% MILE PIECE OF LAND KNOWN AS A
% RESERVATION.
% THIS IS ALL WE HAVE LEFT.
% WHY ARE THERE SO MANY NON-TRIBAL
% HOMEOWNERS ON THE LAC DU
% FLAMBEAU RESERVATION IN PART OF
% THE ANSWER GOES BACK MORE THAN A
% CENTURY, WHEN IN 1887, THE
% FEDERAL DAWES GENERAL ALLOTMENT
% ACT CARVED UP INDIGENOUS LAND
% FOR INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP.
% MARISA WOJCIK SPEAKS WITH
% RICHARD MONETTE, A U.W. MADISON
% PROFESSOR OF LAW AND DIRECTOR OF
% THE GREAT LAKES INDIGENOUS LAW
% CENTER.%>> GENERALLY WHAT DI
D INDIGENOUS
% LANDS LOOK LIKE BEFORE THE DAWES
% GENERAL ALLOTMENT ACT?
% >> THEY ALMOST DIDN'T LOOK LIKE
% ANYTHING TO THE UNTRAINED EYE.
% AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM
% WITH EUROPEAN AMERICANS COMING
% OVER, EUROPEANS COMING OVER, AND
% NOT SEEING TERRITORY AND NOT
% SEEING PROPERTY, MAYBE TERRITORY
% DEFINED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY,
% YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT NATIONS,
% SHARED TERRITORY, MAYBE
% SEASONALLY, ET CETERA.
% THEY DIDN'T GET THAT.
% THERE CERTAINLY WAS PROPERTY,
% YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TRIBES,
% DIFFERENT FAMILIES, CLANS HAD
% FISHING SITES, HAD SUGAR BUSHES,
% YOU KNOW, HAD PLACES WHERE THEY
% DID THEIR CEREMONIES.
% THEY DIDN'T SEE ALL THAT.
% >> THE DAWES GENERAL ALLOTMENT
% ACT IN THE 1800s, WHAT DID
% THAT DO?
% >> IN 1887, THE DAWES ACT
% ATTEMPTED TO TAKE WHAT WAS THE
% THEN LEGALLY RECOGNIZED
% TERRITORY, USUALLY BECAUSE OF A
% TREATY OF A TRIBE, AND DIVIDED
% IT UP INTO PROPERTY, DIVIDED IT
% INTO SEVERAL -- FROM 40 ACRES TO
% 160 ACRES, SOMETIMES A LITTLE
% LESS, SOMETIMES A LITTLE MORE,
% DEPENDING ON THE NUMBERS,
% RESERVATION SIZE, ET CETERA.
% BUT IT WAS WITH THE INTENT TO --
% PURPORTEDLY, TO MAKE FARMERS OUT
% OF NATIVES, MAKE PRIVATE
% PROPERTY OWNERS OUT OF THEM.
% AND ONE STATEMENT ALWAYS
% ATTRIBUTED TO TEDDY ROOSEVELT IS
% TO ACT AS A GREAT PULVERIZING
% ENGINE TO DESTROY THE TRIBAL
% MASS.
% THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
% SO IT DID THAT.
% YOU KNOW, ON MANY RESERVATIONS
% LIKE LAC DU FLAMBEAU, THE
% FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME IN AND
% DREW LINES AND DISREGARDED ALL
% THOSE PRIOR SUGAR BUSHES,
% FISHING HOLES AND OTHER PLACES
% WHERE FAMILIES HAD RELATIVELY
% RECOGNIZED, QUOTE-UNQUOTE,
% OWNERSHIP.
% THEY CAME IN WITH A RULER AND A
% PEN, AND DIVIDED UP THE
% RESERVATIONS, OFTEN, NOT ALWAYS
% BUT OFTEN ALONG, YOU KNOW, THE
% AMERICAN, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM OF
% MEEMETES AND BOUNDS, TOWNSHIP
% LINES, SECTION LINES, ET CETERA,
% AND THE INDIVIDUAL INDIANS AND
% FAMILIES ENDED UP WITH PRIVATE
% PROPERTY IN THE AMERICAN SENSE
% OF THE WORD.
% >> AND THEY DID THIS TRIBE BY
% TRIBE, ONE AT A TIME.
% DID TRIBES OR INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE
% HAVE ANY CHOICE IN THE MATTER?
% >> THAT WAS DEPENDING ON TRIBE
% BY TRIBE TOO.
% IT MADE THE BUREAU OF INDIAN
% AFFAIRS AND THE SECRETARY OF THE
% INTERIOR THE TRUSTEE.
% AND SO THEY STARTED ACTING ON
% BEHALF OF THE TRIBES AND THE
% TRIBAL MEMBERS, AS TRUSTEES DO,
% OFTENTIMES UNILATERALLY.
% AND THUS WE FIND RIGHTS-OF-WAYS
% AND EASEMENTS AND/OR THE BUREAU
% OF INDIAN AFFAIRS LEASING THEIR
% LANDS FOR GAS AND OIL, FOR
% TIMBER, FOR GRAZING AND FOR
% ROADS.
% RIGHT?
% SO THAT'S HOW WE SORT OF FAST
% FORWARD TO GET TO THIS.
% AND THEN IT'S IMPORTANT, ALONG
% THAT HISTORICAL LINE, TO
% RECOGNIZE, WELL, THAT 25-YEAR
% PERIOD EXPIRED, AND THEN THEY
% LOST -- THE TRIBES LOST
% SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF LAND
% THROUGH A VARIETY OF MEANS:
% FORECLOSURES BY BANKS, BY
% CREDITORS, SHERIFF'S SALES.
% SO PEOPLE ARE SOMETIMES
% SURPRISED, THEY SEE THE BIG
% SQUARE ON THE MAP AND THEY SAY,
% WELL, THAT'S THE RESERVATION,
% HOW DID THEY -- HOW DID THERE
% GET TO BE SO MANY NON-INDIANS IN
% THERE?
% THIS IS LARGELY HOW THAT
% OCCURRED, WAS THE ALLOTMENT
% PROCESS.%YOU CAN QUICKLY FAST
FORWARD TO
% ALL THESE EASEMENTS, ALL THE
% PEOPLE LIVING ON SOME OF THE
% BEST LANDS IN THE RESERVATION,
% INCLUDING LAC DU FLAMBEAU, AND
% THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE.
% >> WHAT WAS THE CULTURAL
% CONSEQUENCES OF THIS ON TRIBES,
% AND WHAT WAS THE IMPACT ON
% TRIBAL SOVEREIGNTY?
% >> THE IMPACT HAS BEEN HUGE.
% I MEAN, WE CAN WRITE BOOKS ON
% THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS.
% BUT WHEN YOU'RE NOT IN CONTROL
% OF HOW LAND IS USED IN A
% TERRITORY, YOUR SOVEREIGNTY IS
% GREATLY UNDERMINED.
% THE INDIAN REORGANIZATION ACT
% WAS INTENDED TO FACILITATE A
% REBIRTH OF TRIBAL SOVEREIGNTY
% AND GOVERNANCE RIGHTS OF
% SELF-DETERMINATION.%TO GET T
O THE SPECIFIC POINT
% HERE, WHILE THEY, IN FACT,
% RESURRECTED THEIR SELF
% DETERMINATION IN A LOT OF ARENAS
% WHEN IT CAME TO GOVERNING
% PROPERTY, THEY LARGELY HAVE NOT.
% >> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO
% HAPPEN NEXT?
% >> FROM THAT HISTORICAL
% PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THE
% BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS WAS
% PROBABLY THE FONT OF THESE
% LEASES IN THE FIRST INSTANCE,
% AND LARGELY TO BLAME FOR THEM.
% THEY PROBABLY ISSUED SOME OF
% THOSE LEASES, RIGHTS-OF-WAYS, ET
% CETERA, WITHOUT ANY CONSULTATION
% OR CONSENT FROM THE TRIBE.
% THE TOWN PROBABLY JUST THOUGHT,
% WELL, WE'LL JUST LET IT LIE AND
% IT WILL GO AWAY, AND, YOU KNOW,
% JUST LIKE THOSE LEASES FROM 25
% OR 50 OR EVEN 99-YEAR LEASES
% WHICH ARE COMMON, THEY'LL RUN
% OUT AND THE INDIANS WILL BE
% GONE, RIGHT?
% WELL, THEY RAN OUT AND THEY
% WEREN'T GONE.
% AND INSTEAD, THERE'S A POLICY
% TOWARDS SELF-DETERMINATION.
% FRANKLY, WE ARE GETTING TO THE
% STAGE IN 2023 WHERE THE BUREAU
% OF INDIAN AFFAIRS MIGHT SAY,
% CONGRESS MIGHT SAY, WE WILL
% SETTLE THIS OUT, THE
% TRESPASSING, FOR 10 YEARS NOW,
% FUTURE COST, WE'LL PAY A FEW
% MILLIONS TO DO THAT.
% BUT WE WILL DO THAT UNDER A
% COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.
% TRIBE, YOU WILL ESTABLISH A
% RECORDING OFFICE SO THAT THESE
% KINDS OF INTERESTS CAN BE
% REGISTERED SOMEWHERE, SO THAT
% TITLE COMPANIES CAN FIND IT.
% AND BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS,%
YOU WILL PROVIDE ALL THE
% TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THEY NEED
% TO DO THAT.
% AND THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN
% AND COULD HAPPEN HERE IF THIS IS
% DONE CORRECTLY.
% AND THEN THIS KIND OF THING
% WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN, AND IF IT
% DOES, WE KNOW WHERE THE FINGER
% POINTS.
% >> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MOST
% IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR A
% NON-INDIGENOUS AUDIENCE, TO
% UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS SITUATION,
% ESPECIALLY IF THEY FEEL LIKE
% ALREADY MOST OF THE FINGER
% POINTING GOES TO THE TRIBE?
% >> I THINK THEY HAVE TO
% UNDERSTAND ALL THIS, THE
% DIFFICULT, TERRIBLY DIFFICULT
% HISTORY THAT PEOPLE SAY, YOU
% KNOW, WELL, I WASN'T THERE, I
% DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH
% IT.
% OKAY, BUT YOU'RE HERE NOW.
% AND IT VERY CLEARLY DERIVES FROM
% THAT.
% IMAGINE THE FEELING OF IRONY IF
% YOU'RE A TRIBAL MEMBER WITH THIS
% WHOLE HISTORY OF, YOU KNOW,
% IMPOSED AMERICAN PROPERTY
% IZATION, RIGHT, AND THEN YOU'RE
% LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF
% NON-NATIVES LOOKING AT YOU
% TELLING YOU THEY DIDN'T QUITE
% UNDERSTAND PROPERTY STUFF AT
% PLAY HERE, RIGHT?
% IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO BUY.
% SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFICULT
% DYNAMICS.
% WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE SOME
% OWNERSHIP OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN
% THIS COUNTRY.
% NOW AS FAR AS THE TRIBE U KNOW,
% WELL, EQUITIES ARE EQUITIES, AND
% THEY UNDERSTAND THE
% RELATIONSHIP, THEY TEACH THIS,
% BETWEEN THE COLLECTIVE AND THE
% INDIVIDUAL.
% THEY TEACH PEOPLE TO ASSESS
% THOSE THINGS SEPARATELY, SO YOU
% CAN SEE HOW THEY'RE PROPERLY
% RELATED AND PROPERLY BALANCED.
% WELL, THESE INDIVIDUAL
% AMERICANS, SURE, THEY'RE
% AMERICANS AND PART OF THAT WHOLE
% UGLY HISTORY, BUT THEY'RE ALSO
% INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, AND THEY HAVE
% SOME EQUITY AT STAKE.
% AND THE TRIBE AN ITS PEOPLE WILL
% NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT TOO.ú>> K
% YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
% >> YOU'RE WELCOME VERY MUCH.
% >> YOU CAN WATCH THAT EXTENDED
% INTERVIEW ON OUR WEBPAGE AT
% PBSWISCONSIN.ORG/NEWS.%TURNIN
G TO EDUCATION, AFTER A
% DECADE OF UNDERGRADUATE TUITION
% FREEZES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
% WISCONSIN, THE SYSTEM PRESIDENT
% IS NOW ASKING TO BE ABLE TO HIKE
% THE COST OF ATTENDANCE BY 5%
% STARTING NEXT FALL.
% CURRENT TUITION RATES VARY AT
% THE 13 UNIVERSITIES IN THE U.W.
% SYSTEM FROM ABOUT $4,750 PER
% YEAR TO JUST UNDER $9,275 AT
% U.W. MADISON.
% A 5% INCREASE WOULD ADD HUNDREDS
% OF DOLLARS TO THAT BILL.
% GOVERNOR TONY EVERS' BUDGET
% CALLS FOR GIVING THE U.W. SYSTEM
% MORE THAN $300 MILLION OVER THE
% NEXT TWO YEARS, BUT THAT IS
% STILL SHORT TO COVER COSTS,
% ACCORDING TO THE UNIVERSITY.
% U.W. SYSTEM PRESIDENT JAY
% ROTHMAN JOINS US NOW.
% BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE SHOULD NOTE
% PBS WISCONSIN IS PART OF U.S.
% MADISON.
% PRESIDENT ROTHMAN, THANKS VERY
% MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
% >> IT'S MY PLEASURE.
% THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.
% >> YOU DESCRIBED THERE ARE TWO
% LEVERS FOR THE UNIVERSITY WHEN
% IT COMES TO MEETING COSTS:
% STATE GPR, TAX DOLLARS, AND
% TUITION.
% BUT EVEN THE GOVERNOR'S
% EDUCATION-FRIENDLY BUDGET%
DOESN'T GET YOU THERE, IS THAT
% RIGHT?%>> WELL, I THINK WE HA
VE TO LOOK
% AT IT, AND COMING FROM THE
% PRIVATE SECTOR, I LOOK AT IT AND
% SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROFIT AND
% LOSS STATEMENT THAT BALANCES OUT
% AT THE END OF THE DAY.
% WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS
% REVENUE LEVERS THAT ARE
% AVAILABLE TO US, AND THAT'S --
% GPR IS A PRACTICAL MATTER AND
% TUITION AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
% THE EXPENSE SIDE.
% IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE TUITION
% HAS BEEN ADJUSTED, AND DURING
% THAT PERIOD OF TIME, INFLATION
% HAS BEEN THERE, BUT MUCH MORE
% ACCELERATE OVER THE LAST COUPLE%
OF YEARS.
% SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO BALANCE
% OFF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN
% TERMS OF A TUITION INCREASE.
% IT'S NOT GOING TO COVER THE COST
% OF INFLATION AS A PRACTICAL
% MATTER, SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
% TO ALSO LOOK AT THOSE EXPENSE
% LEVERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN
% ACHIEVE THE TWO GOALS THAT WE
% REALLY HAVE.
% ONE IS TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY
% AND EXCELLENCE THAT THE U.W.
% SYSTEM IS KNOWN FOR, AND
% SECONDLY, TO ENSURE THE
% LONG-TERM FINANCIAL STABILITY
% AND SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR
% UNIVERSITIES.%>> WHAT ARE TH
E MAIN DRIVERS OF
% THE INCREASE FOR THE SYSTEM
% RIGHT NOW?
% >> IN SOME CASES IT'S THE
% INFLATIONARY PRESSURE BUT WE
% ALSO NEED TO INVEST.
% WISCONSIN IS IN A WAR FOR
% TALENT.%WE ARE NOT FILLING T
HE JOBS THAT
% ARE NEEDED BY STATE EMPLOYERS.
% CERTAINLY COMING OUT OF THE
% PRIVATE SECTOR, I KNEW THAT,
% BECAUSE I WAS EXPERIENCING THOSE
% SAME PRESSURES.
% BUT AS I'VE SPENT TIME IN MY
% CURRENT ROLE TALKING TO
% EMPLOYERS IN THE STATE, THE NEED
% FOR ENGINEERS, THE NEED FOR
% NURSES, THE NEED FOR TEACHERS,
% THE NEED FOR DATA SCIENTISTS,
% THAT LIST GOES ON AND ON.
% WE NEED TO INVEST IN ENROLLMENT
% AND IN INCREASING THE NUMBER OF
% STUDENTS WHO ARE GRADUATING.
% THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN ADOPTED
% BY THE REGENTS IN DECEMBER HAS A
% TARGET OF INCREASING OUR
% GRADUATES BY ABOUT 10% TO 41,000
% ANNUALLY BY 2028.
% >> IN YOUR MIND, WHAT HAPPENS IN
% WISCONSIN IF THE UNIVERSITY
% SYSTEM CANNOT ATTRACT AND RETAIN
% THAT TALENT, THOSE WORKERS?
% >> I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A
% BROADER ISSUE.
% IT'S A WISCONSIN ISSUE.
% IT'S FOR THE STATE.
% IF WE ARE NOT ABLE -- WE ARE THE
% BEST TALENT MAGNET IN MY
% JUDGMENT THIS STATE HAS IN TERMS
% OF RECRUITING, DEVELOPING AND
% RETAINING GREAT TALENT IN THE
% STATE.
% 87% OF OUR IN-STATE RESIDENTS
% WHO GRADUATE FROM ONE OF THE
% SYSTEM SCHOOLS STAY IN THE
% STATE.
% THAT'S A GREAT MAGNET.
% BUT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IF WE
% AREN'T SUCCESSFUL AND IF
% WISCONSIN IS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN
% WINNING THAT TALENT WAR, THE
% ECONOMIC PROSPECTS FOR THE STATE
% DECLINE.
% IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
% AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
% WHAT IS THE STATE GOING TO LOOK
% LIKE 10 AND 15 AND 20 YEARS FROM
% NOW, AND WE HAVE CHALLENGES.
% WE LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHICS, WE LOOK
% AT BIRTH RATES, WE LOOK AT NET
% OUTWARD MIGRATION, AND WE LOOK
% AT THE DECLE DECLINE IN COLLEGE
% PARTICIPATION, THE NUMBER OF
% HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES GOING INTO
% COLLEGE.
% THOSE ARE CHALLENGES FOR OUR
% STATE.
% THE U.W. SYSTEM, PARTNERING WITH
% THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, PARTNERING
% WITH THE LEGISLATURE, CAN HELP
% ADDRESS THOSE FOR THE STATE OF
% WISCONSIN.%>> NOW, AS YOU KNO
W, THE
% GOVERNOR INCLUDED AN ADDITIONAL
% $24.5 MILLION TO FUND YOWRP
% TUITION PROMISE PROGRAM, BUT
% REPUBLICAN LEGISLATIVE LEADERS
% HAVE SAID STATE FUNDING OF THAT
% IS UNLIKELY AND SHOULD COME FROM
% PRIVATE DONATIONS.
% WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?
% >> A COUPLE FACTORS.
% ONE IS, I THINK THAT IS A STEP
% IN HELPING US WIN THE WAR FOR
% TALENT.
% THAT IS AN INVESTMENT IN
% STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING FROM
% LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC MEANS, AND
% THAT IMPACTS ALL 72 COUNTIES IN
% OUR STATE.
% INCLUDING THE COUNTY THAT I GREW
% UP IN, IN NORTH CENTRAL
% WISCONSIN.
% IT CAN HELP GET MORE STUDENTS IN
% BECAUSE IT TAKES TUITION OFF THE
% TABLE.
% THOSE STUDENTS STILL HAVE A
% WHOLE LOT OF SKIN IN THE GAME.
% THEY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SKIN IN
% THE GAME BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE
% TO PAY FOR HOUSING, THEY HAVE TO
% PAY FOR BOOKS, THEY HAVE TO PAY
% FOR TRANSPORTATION, AND THEY ARE
% INVESTING FOUR YEARS OF THEIR
% LIFE IN THAT COLLEGE EDUCATION,
% SO THERE'S A LOT OF SKIN IN THE
% GAME THAT ALLOWS FOR SOCIAL
% MOBILITY AND ALLOWS US TO TRY TO
% ADDRESS THE TALENT WAR.
% SO I THINK THAT IS A BIG PIECE
% OF TRYING TO RESPOND.
% SECONDLY, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE
% OPEN.
% I'VE WELCOMED THE CONVERSATION
% WITH THE LEGISLATORS ABOUT HOW
% WE CAN STRUCTURE THAT PROGRAM.
% I BELIEVE IN IT, I THINK IT'S
% IMPORTANT, I THINK IT HELPS
% ACHIEVE SOME GOALS FOR THE
% STATE, BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAVE
% TO -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE
% OPEN TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION
% WITH THEM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
% DOING THAT.
% >> WITH LESS THAN A HALF A
% MINUTE LEFT, WHAT IS YOUR
% MESSAGE TO STUDENTS AND FAMILIES
% IN WISCONSIN ABOUT THIS TUITION
% INCREASE?%>> I THINK WE HAVE
TO LOOK AT IT
% AND SAY THREE THINGS.
% ONE IS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
% THAT WE MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF
% EDUCATION AND IF WE DON'T INVEST
% IN IT, WE WON'T MAINTAIN THAT
% QUALITY THE SYSTEM IS KNOWN FOR.
% SECONDLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
% OUR UNIVERSITIES ARE
% SUSTAINABLE, BUT THIRD, WE DID
% AN AFFORDABILITY STUDY LAST
% SUMMER.%WE ARE THE MOST AFFO
RDABLE
% PUBLIC UNIVERSITY IN THE
% MIDWEST.
% THIS TUITION INCREASE IS NOT
% GOING TO CHANGE THAT.
% WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE
% MOST AFFORDABLE, BEST VALUE OF
% ANY PUBLIC UNIVERSITY IN THE
% MIDWEST.
% THE VALUE OF A COLLEGE EDUCATION
% IS, I DON'T THINK THE
% ECONOMICS -- THEY ARE
% UNATTAINABLE.%IT IS CLEAR TH
AT STUDENTS CAN
% BENEFIT FROM THAT, BOTH
% ECONOMICALLY BUT ALSO SOCIALLY.
% IT IS A GREAT INVESTMENT IN THE
% FUTURE.%>> CHAIR ROTHMAN, TH
ANKS VERY
% MUCH.%>> THANK YOU.
% >> WITH INTERNATIONAL TENSIONS
% HIGH OVER U.S. SUPPORT OF
% UKRAINE FOLLOWING RUL SHA'S
% INNOVATION, AND HEIGHTENED
% ACRIMONY BETWEEN THE UNITED
% STATES AND CHINA, ELECTION
% OFFICIALS ARE ON ALERT FOR
% CYBER-ATTACKS LEADING UP TO
% 2024, INCLUDING OUR OWN
% OFFICIALS.
% ADMINISTRATOR OF THE WISCONSIN
% ELECTIONS COMMISSION, MEAGAN
% WOLFE, WHO ALSO IS THE IMMEDIATE
% PAST PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL
% ASSOCIATION OF STATE ELECTION
% DIRECTORS, JOINS US NOW.
% THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANK YOU.
% GOOD MORNING.
% >> SO WHY DO ELECTION OFFICIALS
% PRECISELY, LIKE YOURSELF, HAVE
% CONCERNS ABOUT CYBER-ATTACKS
% FROM RUSSIA OR CHINA IN THE 2024
% ELECTIONS?
% >> ELECTION OFFICIALS ALWAYS
% HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CYBER
% THREATS REGARDLESS OF WHERE
% THEY'RE EVENTUALLY ATTRIBUTED
% TO.
% AND SO AS ELECTION OFFICIALS, WE
% ARE CONSTANTLY PREPARING FOR THE
% POSSIBILITY OF SOME TYPE OF
% CYBER THREATS.
% ELECTIONS ARE CONSIDERED
% NATIONAL CRITICAL
% INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT MEANS
% PROTECTING THEM FROM A CYBER AND
% A PHYSICAL THREAT PERSPECTIVE IS
% A PRIORITY, BOTH AT THE
% NATIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL
% LEVEL.%>> IS IT ACCURATE THAT
YOU
% DIDN'T SEE ANY ATTACKS ON THE
% 2022 ELECTIONS?
% >> THAT IS -- THAT IS ACCURATE
% TO SAY.
% WHILE WE'RE ALWAYS PREPARING FOR
% THAT POSSIBILITY, WE'RE ALWAYS
% PREPARING FOR THINGS LIKE DENIAL
% OF SERVICE ATTACK, FOR EXAMPLE,
% WHERE SOMEONE MAY TRY TO
% OVERWHELM THE NETWORK OF A STATE
% OR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT SO THAT IT
% DISRUPTS THEIR FLOW OF BEING
% ABLE TO CONDUCT THEIR PROCESSES.
% WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE
% CERTAINLY DID NOT SEE ANY OF
% THOSE SPECIFIC TYPES OF ATTACKS
% IN THE 2022 ELECTION, BUT WE'RE
% ALWAYS PREPARING FOR THOSE AND
% WORKING TO MAKE SURE OUR SYSTEMS
% ARE RESILIENT AND ROBUST.
% >> WHAT ACTIVE CYBER ATTACKS DID
% WISCONSIN SEE IN 2020?
% >> IN 2020, WE CERTAINLY -- I
% DON'T KNOW THAT WE SAW ANY
% SPECIFIC CYBER THREATS TO OUR
% SYSTEMS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A
% CONSTANT LOOKING AT OUR SYSTEMS,
% MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE
% RESILIENT.
% IT'S DOING THINGS LIKE
% CONDUCTING THE POST-ELECTION
% VOTING EQUIPMENT AUDIT.
% SO AFTER EACH ELECTION, WE
% CONDUCT A POST-ELECTION VOTING
% EQUIPMENT AUDIT, WITH I INVOLVES
% HAND-COUNTING BALLOTS IN
% RANDOMLY SELECTED JURISDICTIONS
% TO ENSURE THAT THE PAPER BALLOTS
% REFLECT THE MACHINE TOTALS ON
% THE TABULATORS.
% AND IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN,
% AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION, AND
% THEN AGAIN AFTER THE 2022
% ELECTION, WE ACTUALLY AUDITED
% 10% OF THE BALLOTS IN THE STATE
% OF WISCONSIN AND COMPARED THOSE
% PAPER TOTALS AGAINST THE MACHINE
% TOTALS, AND FOUND THAT THEY WERE
% INCREDIBLY ACCURATE.
% AND SO IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF
% AVOIDING THOSE ATTACKS,
% PREPARING FOR THOSE THREATS.
% WE ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AFTER
% EACH ELECTION TO ENSURE THAT OUR
% PROTECTIONS OF THE SYSTEM DID,
% INDEED, WORK.
% >> AND YET WHY COULD WISCONSIN
% BE VULNERABLE TO THIS?
% >> ANY CORPORATION, ANY
% GOVERNMENT ENTITY, ANY
% INDIVIDUAL IS CERTAINLY U.S.
% SUSCEPTIBLE TO CYBER THREATS.
% SO IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS
% NOT JUST ELECTION OFFICIALS BUT
% AS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN
% GENERAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
% PREPARING FOR, PRACTICING OUR
% CONTINGENCY PLANS AND OUR
% RESILIENCY EFFORTS.
% AND WE DO A LOT WITH OUR LOCAL
% OFFICIALS TO ENSURE THAT THEY
% UNDERSTAND CYBERSECURITY BEST
% PRACTICES, AND THAT THEY HAVE
% THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO BE
% ABLE TO OPERATE THEIR LOCAL
% ELECTION SYSTEMS IN A SECURE
% MANNER.
% WE DO THIS THROUGH
% SCENARIO-BASED TRAININGS WITH
% OUR LOCAL ELECTION OFFICIALS,
% AND WE ALSO PROVIDE GRANTS TO
% LOCAL ELECTION OFFICES SO THAT
% THEY'RE ABLE TO PROCURE THE
% RESOURCES THEY NEED, LIKE A
% SECURE COMPUTER, ACCESS TO
% MANAGED SUPPORT SERVICES FOR
% THEIR COMPUTERS, AND EVEN GRANTS
% SO THAT THEY CAN ATTEND TRAINING
% WHERE WE FOCUS ON CYBERSECURITY
% INITIATIVES.
% SO WE MAY HAVE A VERY
% DECENTRALIZED ELECTION SYSTEM
% HERE IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN,
% WITH EACH OF OUR CITIES, TOWNS
% AND VILLAGES OPERATING
% ELECTIONS, BUT WE DO A LOT TO
% WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT
% WE'RE PREPARED FOR ANY POTENTIAL
% PHYSICAL OR CYBER THREATS TO
% ELECTIONS.%>> WHAT DOES WISCO
NSIN AND OTHER
% STATES NEED FOR THAT PREPARATION
% AND THAT TRAINING GOING FORWARD?
% SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE
% NOW?
% >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
% I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
% WHAT WE NEED IS SUSTAINABLE
% FUNDING FOR CYBERSECURITY IN
% ELECTIONS.
% AND PHYSICAL SECURITY IN
% ELECTIONS AS WELL.
% WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW IS WE
% RECEIVED FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING,
% WHICH ALLOWS US TO IMPLEMENT
% ONE-TIME SOLUTIONS FOR LOCAL
% ELECTION OFFICES, FOR STATE
% ELECTION OFFICES, FOR US TO BE
% ABLE TO BUILD OUT OUR
% CAPABILITIES.
% BUT THERE IS NO FINISH LINE WHEN
% IT COMES TO CYBERSECURITY IN
% ELECTIONS.
% EVERY DAY THAT GOALPOST MOVES.
% THE THREATS THAT WE FACE, THOSE
% MOVE AND THEY CHANGE.
% AND SO WE REALLY NEED TO FIND A
% WAY AS STATES AND LOCAL
% GOVERNMENTS TO BE ABLE TO
% SUSTAIN THOSE INITIATIVES.
% BECAUSE THE THREAT OF A
% CYBERSECURITY ATTACK, IT'S NOT
% GOING TO GO AWAY AND THERE IS NO
% FINISH LINE.
% SO I THINK FINDING WAYS TO
% CREATE SUSTAINABLE FUNDING AND
% PROGRAMMING TO SUPPORT SECURITY
% IN ELECTIONS IS REALLY, REALLY
% AN IMPORTANT INITIATIVE AND
% SHOULD BE A PRIORITY AT BOTH THE
% STATE AND THE LOCAL LEVEL.
% >> RIGHT.
% MEAGAN WOLFE, THANK YOU VERY
% MUCH.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> MORE THAN A YEAR SINCE THE
% RUSSIAN MILITARY INVADED
% UKRAINE, RELIEF EFFORTS REMAIN
% HIGH.
% "HERE AND NOW" STUDENT
% JOURNALIST ADITI DEBNATH HAS
% THIS STORY OF A WISCONSIN ROTARY
% CLUB HELPING TO POWER HOMES
% DURING THE UKRAINIAN WINTER.
% >> MY PARTNERS AT THAT TIME TOLD
% ME WHAT I'M DOING IS INSANE, BUT
% IT'S GOING TO SAVE THOUSANDS OF
% LIVES, AND IT'S ONLY MONEY, AND
% WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
% ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
% >> RISKING HER RETIREMENT
% SAVINGS, ANYA VERKHOSVKAYA
% ORDERED JUST UNDER $1 MILLION
% WORTH OF PORTABLE POWER
% GENERATORS TO BE SENT TO
% UKRAINE, IN PREPARATION FOR THE
% WINTER MONTHS AHEAD.
% >> I'VE NEVER ORDERED 1100
% GENERATORS BEFORE.
% ACTUALLY, A FEW MONTHS AGO, I
% DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO START A
% GENERATOR, AND I DIDN'T KNOW
% ANYTHING ABOUT GENERATORS.
% >> SHE THEN MET DR. DOUG DAVIS,
% WHO HAD A SIMILAR MISSION.
% SINCE RUSSIA'S INNOV RUSSI RUSSF
% UKRAINE ALMOST A YEAR AGO,
% DR. DAVIS HAS SHIPPED AN
% ESTIMATED 100,000 POUNDS OF
% MEDICAL AID FROM A WAREHOUSE IN
% GERMANTOWN.%>> WE HAD PROBAB
LY 50 GAYLORD
% BOXES OF SUPPLIES THAT WE WERE
% HAVING TROUBLE GETTING SHIPPED.
% AND SHE'S LIKE, I COULD TAKE
% CARE OF THAT.
% >> DR. DAVIS WHOSE FAMILY IS
% UKRAINIAN, EVACUATED HIS IN-LAWS
% LAST FEBRUARY TO HIS HOME IN
% OREGON, WISCONSIN.
% HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW, DR. TARAS
% KHABA, HAS BEEN ABLE TO USE HIS
% MEDICAL CONNECTIONS IN UKRAINE
% TO HELP DETERMINE HIGH-NEED
% ITEMS.%>> I DIDN'T FEEL VERY
WELL AT
% THAT TIME AND HE TOLD ME I KNOW
% HOW TO HELP YOU, HOW TO HELP
% YOUR COUNTRY, AND THAT'S TO
% BECOME VOLUNTEERS.
% >> BUT DAVIS AND KHABA DIDN'T DO
% IT ALONE.
% THE ROTARY CLUB OF MILWAUKEE HAS
% PROVIDED COUNTLESS VOLUNTEERS
% TOWARD THE CAUSE, AND IN
% JANUARY, THE GROUP WAS ABLE TO
% FUNDRAISE FOR VERKHOSVKAYA'S
% GENERATOR PROJECT.
% >> WE LIKE TO THINK OF OURSELVES
% AS PEOPLE OF ACTION WHO WORK
% TOGETHER TO REALLY MAKE A
% DIFFERENCE, NOT ONLY IN THEIR
% COMMUNITIES, BUT COMMUNITY
% THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
% >> THIS FEBRUARY, DR. DAVIS
% TRAVELED TO UKRAINE, WHERE HE
% AND THE ROTARY CLUB OF UKRAINE
% TOOK DELIVERY OF THE FIRST
% GENERATORS TO ARRIVE.
% AMID-AIR RAID SIRENS AND
% CATCHING UP WITH FAMILY, HE SAYS
% WITNESSING THE PAYOFF IS WHAT
% KEEPS HIM GOING.
% >> I THINK LEARNING ABOUT ALL
% THAT MAY HAVE EVEN BEEN HARDER
% THAN MEDICAL SCHOOL.
% >> BACK IN WISCONSIN, VOLUNTEERS
% DON'T HAVE TIME TO CELEBRATE THE
% GENERATOR PROJECT'S SUCCESS.
% >> AND YOU CAN'T REALLY
% CELEBRATE ANY SMALL VICTORIES OR
% BIG VICTORIES BECAUSE THERE IS
% THIS TREMENDOUS CLOUD OF
% COLLECTIVE TRAGEDY THAT IS
% HAPPENING THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO
% FIGHT ALL THE TIME.
% >> THOUGH DONATIONS MAY BE
% SLOWING DOWN, THE CRISIS LEVEL
% NEED FOR HUMANITARIAN AID IN
% UKRAINE PERSISTS, NOW ONE LONG
% YEAR AFTER THE INVASION.
% >> IF PEOPLE THINK THIS IS JUST
% SOME COUNTRY IN EASTERN EUROPE,
% NO, THIS IS WORLD WAR THREE.
% >> FOR "HERE AND NOW," I'M ADITI
% DEBNATH IN GERMANTOWN.
% >> FOR MORE ON THIS AND OTHER
% ISSUES FACING WISCONSIN, VISIT
% OUR WEBSITE AT PBSWISCONSIN.ORG
% AND THEN CLICK ON THE NEWS TAB.
% THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
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% WISCONSIN.