% >>> Announcer: THE FOLLOWING
% PROGRAM IS PART OF THE "HERE
% "HERE & NOW" LET'S COVERAGE.
% THE HEAVILY CONSTITUTE NATEED
% AND ANTICIPATED ELECTION DAY IN
% WISCONSIN CAME AND WENT, AND FOR
% THE MOST PART, WITHOUT INCIDENT,
% REASSURING VOTERS AND OFFICIALS
% OF WISCONSIN'S ELECTION PROCESS.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG, AND
% TONIGHT, ON "HERE & NOW," ZAC
% SCHULTZ BREAKS DOWN TUESDAY'S
% RESULTS, AND WE HEAR ANALYSIS
% FROM TWO POLITICAL SCIENTISTS
% FROM TWO SIDES OF THE STATE, AND
% WHAT TUESDAY'S TURNOUT TELLINGS
% US ABOUT WISCONSIN'S ELECTORATE.
% IT'S "HERE & NOW" FOR
% NOVEMBER 11th.
% >> Announcer: FUNDING FOR
% "HERE & NOW" IS PROVIDED FOR THE
% FOCUS FUND FOR JOURNALISM AND
% FRIENDS OF PBS WISCONSIN.
% ♪
% >> Frederica: TUESDAY'S
% MIDTERM ELECTION MAINTAINED
% WISCONSIN'S BRAND OF A DIVIDED
% STATEWIDE ELECTORATE.
% REPUBLICAN U.S. SENATOR, RON
% JOHNSON, WON RE-ELECTION WITH A
% NARROW VICTORY OVER HIS
% OPPONENT.%IN THE RACE FOR GO
VERNOR,
% DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT, TONY
% EVERS, WON 51% TO 47% OVER THE
% REPUBLICAN, TIM MICHAELS.
% FOR ATTORNEY GOVERNOR, CALL
% DEFEATS ERIC TONY, AND IN THE
% ELECTION FOR SECRETARY OF STATE,
% DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT HOLDS A .3%
% MARGIN OVER HIS REPUBLICAN
% CHALLENGER, AMY.
% SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER, ZAC
% SCHULTZ HAS BROUGHT US COVERAGE
% THROUGHOUT THE ELECTION SEASON
% AND WAS ON HAND AS THE RESULTS
% CAME IN.
% [CHANTING]%>> THANK YOU!
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
% HELLO, WISCONSIN!
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]%>> Rep
orter: IT WAS A LONG
% WAIT, BUT WHEN GOVERNOR TONY
% EVERS TOOK TO THE STAGE JUST
% BEFORE 1:00 A.M. WEDNESDAY
% MORNING, HE DECLARED VICTORY
% WITH ONE OF HIS FAVORITE
% SAYINGS.%>> HOLY MACKEREL, FO
LKS, HOW
% ABOUT THAT?
% >> Reporter: HE RELIES ON HIS
% STYLE.%>> THAT'S WHO I AM AND
ALWAYS
% BEEN.
% SOME CALL IT BORING, BUT
% WISCONSIN, AS IT TURNS OUT,
% BORING WINS.
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]%>> Rep
orter: GIVING CREDIT TO
% SUPERCHARGED TURNOUT AMONG YOUNG
% VOTERS, ESPECIALLY COLLEGE
% STUDENTS, AND DEMOCRATS WHO WERE
% MOTIVATED BY THE ISSUE OF
% ABORTION RIGHTS.
% >> SHOWED UP FOR EACH OTHER, YOU
% SHOWED UP FOR THE REPRODUCTIVE
% RIGHTS AND FREEDOM FOR YOU.
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
% THE FREEDOM FOR YOU AND YOUR
% NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THEIR OWN
% HEALTHCARE DECISIONS WITHOUT
% HAVING TO ASK ME OR ANY OTHER
% ELECTED OFFICIAL.
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]%>> Rep
orter: ACROSS THE STATE
% IN MILWAUKEE, EVERS' FORMER
% LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, BARNES, WAS
% NOT ABLE TO CELEBRATE IN THE
% U.S. SENATE RACE.
% HE CONSISTENTLY UNDERPERFORMED
% EVERS' MARGINS BY ABOUT 2%, AND
% HIS SUPPORTERS WERE SENT OFF
% WITH BARNES TRAILING INCUMBENT
% REPUBLICAN RON JOHNSON.
% >> OUR ELECTIONS HAVE RAZOR THIN
% MARGINS, AND THIS U.S. SENATE
% RACE IS NO DIFFERENT.
% THIS RACE IS FAR TOO CLOSE TO
% CALL TONIGHT.%>> Reporter: A
ND JOHNSON SENT
% SUPPORTERS HOME WITH MORE
% OPTIMISM.%>> WE LOOKED VERY
CLOSELY AT THE
% NUMBERS.
% WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT
% THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY CAN
% REALLY MAKE UP THAT GAP, BUT,
% YOU KNOW, I'M NOT -- I'M NOT
% GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DECLARE
% VICTORY UNTIL ALL THE NUMBERS
% ARE IN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO
% GIVE YOU GUYS THE SENSE THAT
% THIS RACE IS OVER, YOU KNOW.
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]%>> Rep
orter: BY NOON ON
% WEDNESDAY, BARNES WAS READY TO
% CONCEDE.%>> NOW, UNFORTUNATEL
Y, WE DIDN'T
% GET TO THE FINISH LINE THIS
% TIME, BUT THE MOVE MEANT SO MUCH
% TO ALL OF US WHERE JUST BECAUSE
% WE DIDN'T CROSS THE FINISH LINE,
% IT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S OVER.
% >> Reporter: BETWEEN THE
% GUBERNATORIAL AND SENATE RACE,
% CANDIDATES IN GROUPS SPENT MORE
% THAN $3 00 MILLION, AND VOTERS
% WERE FLOODED WITH NONSTOP
% NEGATIVE ADS.
% JOHNSON WAS ONLY TALKING ABOUT
% HIS RACE, BUT HIS COMMENTS ON
% ELECTION NIGHT SEEMED TO SUM UP
% THE CURRENT POLITICAL
% ENVIRONMENT.%>> IT'S A LITTLE
DEPRESSING,
% ISN'T IT?
% THAT LIES ARE THAT EFFECTIVE,
% AND IF YOU EVER WONDER, QUITE
% HONESTLY, WHY MORE GOOD PEOPLE
% DON'T RUN FOR OFFICE, I WOULD
% JUST RECOMMEND PEOPLE LOOK AT
% THE WISCONSIN U.S. SENATE RACE
% IN YEAR 2022.
% >> Reporter: MEANWHILE, BACK
% IN MADISON, THE SELF-DESCRIBED
% BORING TONY EVERS WAS READY TO
% DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY TO
% CELEBRATE FOUR MORE YEARS IN
% OFFICE.%>> WE'RE GOING TO PO
LKA TONIGHT
% AND GET BACK TO WORK TOMORROW.
% THANK YOU, WISCONSIN, WE LOVE
% YOU!
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]%>> Rep
orter: REPORTING FROM
% MADISON, I'M ZAC SCHULTZ, FOR
% "HERE & NOW." >> Frederica: SO
% GOVERNOR EVERS DANCED THE
% ELECTION NIGHT AWAY AND HIT THE
% CODE FOR A VICTORY TOUR OF K-12
% SCHOOLS ACROSS THE STATE.
% STUDENTS VISITED THIS WEEK WERE
% MOSTLY TOO YOUNG TO VOTE, BUT
% OUR NEXT GUEST SAYS THE YOUTH
% VOTE THIS PAST TUESDAY WAS A KEY
% TO EVERS' WIN.
% AMBER WICHOWSKY IS PROFESSOR OF
% POLITICAL SCIENCE AT MARQUETTE
% UNIVERSITY AND DIRECTOR OF THE
% MARQUETTE DEMOCRACY LAB.
% THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
% >> Frederica: SO YOU GOT A LOT
% OF OTHER TAKEAWAYS FROM
% TUESDAY'S ELECTION, BUT THE
% YOUTH VOTE STANDS OUT FOR YOU.
% WHY?%>> YEAH.
% ABSOLUTELY.
% THERE'S A QUESTION HEADING INTO
% TUESDAY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE
% HIGH TURNOUT AND DEEP CIVIC
% ENGAGEMENT SEEN AMONG GEN-Z
% VOTERS WOULD CONTINUE THIS
% ELECTION.%THERE'S POLLING DA
TA SUGGESTING
% THAT YOUNGER VOTERS WERE NOT AS
% ENTHUSIASTIC THIS TIME AROUND,
% BUT TUESDAY, WE SAW THAT IN MANY
% PLACES LIKE WISCONSIN, YOUNG
% VOTERS TURNED OUT AT RELATIVELY
% HIGH RATES.
% I SAY "RELATIVELY" BECAUSE
% YOUNGER VOTERS VOTE AT LOWER
% RATES THAN OLDER VOTES, BUT IT'S
% ESTIMATED APPROXIMATELY 27% OF
% 18-YEAR-OLDS TO 29-YEAR-OLDS
% VOTED ON TUESDAY IN STATES LIKE
% WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA,
% MICHIGAN, AND THESE ARE STATES
% WHERE THERE WERE ISSUES THAT
% VERY MUCH ARE BEING DEBATED, ON
% THE BALLOT IN SOME CASES, AND
% THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ANIMATING
% YOUNG VOTERS, AND WE ARE SEEING
% THEM CONTINUE TO TURN OUT.
% >> Frederica: SPEAKING OF THE
% ISSUES, WHAT WERE THE ISSUES
% THAT BROUGHT YOUNGER PEOPLE TO
% THE POLLS COMPARED TO OLDER
% VOTERS?%>> YEAH.
% ONE ISSUE THAT STANDS OUT IS
% ABORTION.
% IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUBLIC
% OPINION DATA HEADING INTO
% TUESDAY, ABORTION WAS MORE
% LIKELY TO BE IDENTIFIED AS A TOP
% ISSUE FOR YOUNGER VOTERS, AND
% YOUNGER VOTERS ARE ALSO MORE
% LIKELY TO CITE CLIMATE CHANGE AS%
AN ISSUE OF PRESSING CONCERN FOR
% THEM.
% THEY ARE SLIGHTLY LESS LIKELY TO
% SAY THINGS LIKE INFLATION, AND,S
% THAT TEND TO BOTH ADVANTAGE
% REPUBLICANS AND TO ANIMATE OLDER
% VOTER, AND SO THAT THE ISSUE
% WITH GEN-Z IS NOT JUST THEIR
% RATES OF PARTICIPATION, WHICH
% THEY ARE CIVICALLY ENGAGED
% GENERATION, BUT THIS IS A
% GENERATION BREAKING FOR
% DEMOCRATS, SO THEY ARE VOTING
% 3-1 FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES,
% AND THAT TOGETHER, DELIVERS
% VOTES FOR EVERS HERE IN
% WISCONSIN.%>> Frederica: SO I
F THE YOUTH
% VOTE WAS A KEY TO EVERS' WIN,
% WHY NOT LIFT BARNES TO THE SAME
% EXTENT?%>> YEAH.
% FIRST, I WANT TO QUALIFY YOUTH
% VOTE.
% THERE'S SOME REALLY IMPORTANT
% DISTINCTIONS WITHIN THE YOUTH%
VOTE.
% ONE IS THAT YOUNG VOTERS OF
% COLOR ARE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE
% DEMOCRATIC COMPARED TO THEIR
% WHITE GEN-Z VOTERS, SO THERE'S A
% RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCE.
% WE HAVE A GENDER GAP AND A
% COLLEGE DIVIDE AS WELL.
% SO, IT IS NOT THAT JUST ALL
% YOUNG VOTERS TURN OUT, BUT IT IS
% THOSE IN COLLEGE OR COLLEGE
% EDUCATED.%NOW, IF WE LOOK AT
THE MAP HERE
% IN WISCONSIN TO UNDERSTAND WHERE
% WERE THE PLACES, AND WHERE ARE
% THE VOTERS WHO WERE SWITCHING
% THEIR TICKET, SPLITTING THEIR
% TICKETS, EXCUSE ME, BETWEEN%
EVERS AND JOHNSON?
% THESE TENDED TO BE PLACES WHERE
% REPUBLICANS DID BETTER.
% IT'S NOT A PERFECT CORRELATION,
% BUT IN PLACES OF THE STATE WHERE
% REPUBLICANS DID BETTER, YOU WERE
% MORE LIKELY TO SEE VOTERS SPLIT
% THEIR TICKETS.
% PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN THE
% DEMOCRATIC STRONGHOLDS,
% MILWAUKEE, DANE COUNTY, YOU SAW
% LESS TICKETS, BUT YOU SAW SOME,
% BUT ADD THE VOTES TOGETHER, THAT
% MEN BARNES HELPED CLOSE THE GAP,
% BUT NOT ENOUGH TO WIN ON
% TUESDAY.
% SO, 2022 IS GOING TO COME DOWN
% TO AN ELECTION WHERE WE DON'T
% HAVE A CLEAR NARRATIVE COMING
% FROM THE ELECTION.
% THERE WERE SO MANY FACTORS AT
% PLAY ACROSS BOTH THE STATE AS
% WELL AS THE COUNTRY.
% >> Frederica: WELL, AS
% DIRECTOR OF YOUR DEMOCRACY LAB,
% YOU ENGAGE WITH MARQUETTE
% STUDENTS ON THE KIND OF
% RUDIMENTS OF VOTING, LIKE, WHAT
% YOU NEED TO DO, WHERE TO GO,
% ISSUES.
% DID THAT HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE
% LAST ELECTION, HAVE YOU FOUND?
% >> ABSOLUTELY.
% SO, WE'RE STILL DIGGING INTO THE
% DATA, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WARD
% LEVEL DATA HERE IN THE MILWAUKEE
% COUNTY, TURNOUT IN MILWAUKEE
% COUNTY WAS DOWN A LITTLE BIT
% COMPARED TO 2018.
% PLACES WHERE WE SAW TURNOUTS, IN
% SOME CASES, THE PERCENTAGE OF
% REGISTERED VOTERS INCREASED WERE
% ACTUALLY NEAR COLLEGE CAMPUSES
% INCLUDING HERE IN THE WARDS
% AROUND MARQUETTE, SO SOME OF THE
% THINGS THAT WE DO ARE JUST
% EDUCATING STUDENTS ABOUT WHAT
% THEY NEED TO VOTE, WHAT IS THEIR
% PROOF OF RESIDENCY, WHAT PHOTO
% ID DO THEY NEED, AND WHERE'S
% THEIR POLLING LOCATION?
% IN MILWAUKEE, IN A CYCLE, OUR
% POLLING LOCATIONS SHIFTED
% SOMEWHAT BECAUSE OF%REDISTRI
CTING SO WE MADE SURE
% STUDENTS KNEW WHERE THEIR
% POLLING LOCATIONS WERE.
% IF STUDENTS MOVED IN THE LAST
% TIME THEY VOTED, STUDENTS NEEDED
% TO KNOW THEY NEEDED TO
% RE-REGISTER.%YOUNG VOTERS OFT
EN HAD SOME
% ADDITIONAL HURDLES TO OVERCOME
% IN TERMS OF VOTING, AND SO WE
% WANTED TO MAKE SURE STUDENTS
% WERE INFORMED AND EMPOWERED TO
% EXERCISE VOTING RIGHTS TUESDAY.
% >> Frederica: WITH LESS THAN A
% MINUTE LEFT, YOU'VE ALSO SAID
% THAT TUESDAY'S RESULTS SHOW THIS
% IS NOT A STATE WHERE DONALD
% TRUMP CAN COME IN AND RECREATE
% 2016.
% WHY NOT?
% >> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
% LOOK AT THE SUBURBAN COUNTIES
% OUT OF MILWAUKEE.%THESE USED
TO BE THE REPUBLICAN
% STRONGHOLDS, AND EVERS, WE SAW
% IT IN 2018, 2020, AND THE
% QUESTION WAS CHOMPING OUT ON THE
% BALLOT, AND TRUMP NOT IN THE
% RACE, WITH THOSE VOTERS CONTINUE
% TO VOTE DEMOCRATS, AT LEAST AT
% SOMEWHAT HIGHER MARGINS THAN
% HISTORICALLY, AND FOR THOSE
% REASONS INCLUDING AREAS AROUND
% GREEN BAY, THE NUMBER OF VOTES
% COMING OUT OF DANE COUNTY, OUT
% OF MILWAUKEE, THOSE SHIFTING
% MARGINS, IT'S JUST NOT A STATE
% THAT TRUMP WILL LIKELY BE ABLE
% TO WIN.
% >> Frederica: ART, AMBER
% WICHOWSKY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
% >> Frederica: AS TO THE
% EVERS/JOHNSON VOTERS IN
% WISCONSIN, A KEY PART OF THE
% JOHNSON PLAYBOOK WERE ATTACK
% ADDS AGAINST BARNES CALLING HIM
% "DIFFERENT" AND "DANGEROUS," ARE
% THEY TIPPING TO THE INCUMBENT
% SENATOR?
% WHO PEOPLE WHO WORK TO GET OUT
% THE VOTE FOR BARNES REGARD THE
% MESSAGES, ESPECIALLY IN
% MILWAUKEE VILIFIED FOR CRIME.
% WE TALK WITH ANGELA LANG,
% EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BLACK
% LEADERS ORGANIZING FOR
% COMMUNITIES, AND THANK YOU VERY
% MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
% >> Frederica: HOW DO YOU
% REGARD THOSE ATTACK ADS AGAINST
% BARNES?%>> THEY WERE TERRIBL
E.
% THEY WERE VILE.
% THEY WERE REALLY HARD TO WATCH.
% I THINK FOR -- I KNOW ME
% PERSONALLY AND OTHER FOLKS, IF
% WE CAN TALK TO OUR OWN
% LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THIS WAY,
% HOW DO THE REST FEEL ABOUT THE
% BLACK COMMUNITY AND OTHERS HE
% SHOULD HAVE BEEN COURTING
% INSTEAD OF VILIFYING, IT WAS
% HORRIBLE AND TERRIFYING AND HARD
% TO WATCH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
% ENCOURAGING TO SEE BARNES REMAIN
% GRACEFUL IN HANDLING THAT AND
% NOT STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL.
% >> Frederica: WHAT'S THE
% RESPONSE TO THE LEVEL THAT
% BARNES DID NOT DO ENOUGH TO
% DEFEND AGAINST THEM?
% >> I THINK IT'S COMPLICATED.
% I THINK ON ONE HAND, ANYTHING HE
% PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DONE WOULD
% HAVE BEEN SEEN AS WEAPONIZED AND
% FURTHER SEEN AS THE ANGRY BLACK
% MAN AND THAT'S WHY YOU SAW HIM
% MAKING PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY
% SANDWICHES.
% HIS HUMANITY WAS STRIPPED
% BECAUSE OF THE ADS, AND BEING A
% BLACK PERSON, ESPECIALLY RUNNING
% A STATEWIDE -- FOR STATEWIDE
% OFFICE, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL
% TO NOT FURTHER FAN THOSE FLAMES,
% AND PEOPLE ASK, WOULD I HAVE
% PERSONALLY DONE SOMETHING
% DIFFERENT?
% ABSOLUTELY!%THAT'S WHY I'M N
OT THE
% CANDIDATE.%I THINK IT WOULD H
AVE BEEN
% INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR, I
% THINK, MOST OF US TO HANDLE IT
% IN THE WAY HE DID WITH SUCH
% GRACE.%>> Frederica: DO YOU T
HINK
% THOSE WHO VOTED FOR EVERS AND
% NOT FOR BARNES WERE FRIGHTENED
% AS DESIGNED BY THAT MESSAGING?
% >> I'M VERY CURIOUS TO HAVE
% CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE VOTERS
% TO SEE IF PEOPLE FOCUS GROUPED
% THEM OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND
% ULTIMATELY, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY
% OTHER REASON FOR THE VOTERS TO
% EXIST OTHER THAN RACISM AND FEAR
% MONGERING, AND I THINK THAT'S
% REALLY SAD AND REALLY TRAGIC
% THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN'T GET PAST
% THEIR OWN RACISM, BUT WE HAVE%
ALL OF THE CHALLENGES ON THE
% LINE AND UNDERSTANDING HOW RON
% JOHNSON IS VERY HARMFUL TO THE
% COMMUNITIES AND FOR WHATEVER
% REASON, THAT SEEMED TO TAKE A
% BACKSEAT IN TERMS OF RACISM FOR
% THE FOLKS.%>> Frederica: HOW
DOES THAT
% SPEAK TO THE RACIAL POLARIZATION
% IN WISCONSIN?
% >> I THINK IT SHOWS WE HAVE A
% LOT OF WORK TO CONTINUE TO DO.
% I KNOW IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS
% SINCE THE MURDERS OF TAYLOR AND
% FLOYD, THERE'S MORE%CONVERSA
TIONS HAPPENING, AND
% CONVERSATIONS NEED TO CONTINUE.
% I THINK WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF A
% RACIAL RECKONING THAT WE HAVE TO
% CONTINUE TO DIG INTO, AND I
% THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AWHILE
% BEFORE THIS COMMUNITY AND STATE
% AND COUNTRY AS A WHOLE COMES
% TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY SAYS WE
% DEMAND BETTER AND ALL
% COMMUNITIES DESERVE TO THRIVE
% AND HAVE DIGNITY AND NOT HAVE
% THIS RACIST RHETORIC, BUT I
% THINK IT STARTS BY CONTINUING TO
% HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
% >> Frederica: YOU SAID
% "FOLLOWING THE BARNES DEFEAT
% THAT, QUOTE, PROGRESSIVES THAT
% DECIDED THE ELECTABILITY WHISPER
% CAMPAIGN IN THE PRIMARY, YOU ALL
% ARE PARTLY TO BLAME, "WHAT'S
% THAT ABOUT?
% >> YEAH.
% I THINK WE SAW, YOU KNOW, I
% WON'T MENTION THE CAMPAIGNS, BUT
% WE SAW CAMPAIGNS IN THE PRIMARY
% KIND OF AMPLIFY THE DOG WHISTLE
% POLITICS, CALLING HIM EXTREME
% GIVEN HIS ENDORSEMENTS OR
% TALKING ABOUT THE TAX RECORD.
% THINGS THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD
% TALK ABOUT, BUT THESE WERE HIS
% OPPONENTS AND CHALLENGERS IN THE
% PRIMARY, AND I THINK BY HAVING
% DOG WHISTLES, AND KIND OF GOING
% UNCHECKED IN SOME CASES, REALLY
% PROVIDED AN OPENING FOR THE
% REPUBLICANS TO HAVE THEIR VILE
% MESSAGES AS WELL IN THE GENERAL
% ELECTION.
% >> Frederica: THERE WAS A
% DECREASE IN VOTER TURNOUT IN
% MILWAUKEE COUNTY WHICH SAW
% SOMETHING LIKE 47,000 A FEWER
% VOTES THAN IN 2018 IN THE U.S.
% SENATE RACE.
% NOT FOR LACK OF EFFORT.
% WE KNOW.
% WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
% >> YEAH.
% YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL GOING TO
% BE DIGGING INTO THE NUMBERS AND
% FIGURING OUT WHAT HAPPENED, BUT
% WE ALSO KNOW, TOO, THAT WE'RE
% GETTING REPORTS THAT HUNDREDS OF
% PEOPLE JUST EVEN IN SOME POLLING
% PLACES WERE TURNED AWAY DUE TO
% HAVING THE WRONG POLLING
% LOCATION BECAUSE OF
% REDISTRICTING, AND THEIR POLLING
% PLACE MOVED.
% DID THE PEOPLE TURNED AWAY ABLE
% TO GET TO THE CORRECT POLLING
% PLACE TO VOTE?
% WE HEARD REPORTS OF THAT, AND,
% YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HEARD SOME
% REPORTS OF PEOPLE HAVING
% CHILDCARE ISSUES BECAUSE MDS WAS
% CLOSED, NOT SAYING THAT'S ALL OF
% THE REASONS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE
% TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS
% THAT ARE NOT NORMALLY TALKED
% ABOUT TO REALLY KIND OF PUT THE
% PIECES TOGETHER OF A PUZZLE OF
% WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, BUT IT
% GOES TO SHOW THERE'S MORE WORK
% TO DO FOR THE SPRING ELECTIONS
% NEXT YEAR.%>> Frederica: BRIE
FLY, LOOKING
% AHEAD TO THE NEXT STATEWIDE
% RACE, RACE FOR SUPREME COURT.
% WHY IS THAT ELECTION IN YOUR
% SIGHTS?%>> I THINK IT'S IMPO
RTANT FOR
% SEVERAL REASONS.
% OUR TEAM FEELS VERY STRONGLY
% THAT, ONE, WE COULD FLIP THE
% IDEOLOGY OF THE COURT AWAY FROM
% THE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY.
% THE COURT IMPACTS THINGS LIKE
% BALLOT DROP BOXES AND VOTING ON
% ELECTION DAY AND THINGS LIKE
% THAT, AND IT IS ALSO AN
% OPPORTUNITY, WE HAVE MADE AN
% ENDORSEMENT TO ELECT OUR FIRST
% BLACK JUSTICE IN THE STATE OF
% WISCONSIN, AND EVERETT MITCHELL.
% WE ARE EXCITED TO BE A PART OF
% HISTORY AND UNDERSTAND, TOO,
% WHAT'S AT STAKE FOR THE REST OF%
THE STATE IF WE ARE ABLE TO FLIP
% THAT SEAT.
% >> Frederica: ANGELA LANG,
% THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
% >> Frederica: IN WISCONSIN'S
% 3rd CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, A
% TRUMP-ENDORSED REPUBLICAN,
% DERRICK VAN ORDEN, IS HEADED TO
% WASHINGTON.
% WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION,
% NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY
% FUNDERS POLLED SUPPORT FROM THE
% CANDIDATE, PFAFF.
% DID THEY WIN BY REDIRECTING
% MONEY?
% WE TURNED TO THE POLITICAL
% SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT UW-LA
% CROSSE.%THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE.
% >> THANK YOU.%>> AS TO THE Q
UESTIONS, DID THE
% DEMOCRATS' HOUSE MAJORITY PACK
% MISCALCULATE HERE?
% >> YES.
% THE RACE WAS MUCH CLOSER THAN
% EXPECTED, AND IN MOST CLOSE
% CONGRESSIONAL RACES, THE
% POLITICAL PARTIES AND THE
% POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES GET
% HEAVILY INVOLVED TO ASSIST THE
% CANDIDATES.
% WHAT WAS SO STRIKING ABOUT THIS
% RACE WAS THE LACK OF PARTY
% SUPPORT AND LACK OF SUPPORT FROM
% THOSE KEY POLITICAL ACTION
% COMMITTEES IN HELPING BRAD
% PFAFF, THE DEMOCRAT.
% I THINK DEMOCRATS BOTH WITHIN
% THE PARTY AND KEY POLITICAL
% ACTION COMMITTEES CLEARLY
% MISCALCULATED.%THEY CLEARLY D
ID NOT EXPECT THE
% RACE TO BE AS CLOSE AS IT WAS
% BECAUSE AS A POLITICAL
% SCIENTIST, MY EXPECTATION IS
% THAT WHEN A RACE IS CLOSE,
% YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE PARTY
% HEAVILY INVOLVED, THE PACs
% HEAVILY INVOLVED, AND THAT DID
% NOT HAPPEN.
% CLEARLY, THERE WAS A DISCONNECT
% IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ABOUT
% THE STATE OF THE RACE.
% >> Frederica: DO YOU FEEL AS
% THOUGH THEIR CALCULATIONS WERE
% BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
% LAST ELECTION FOR THIS SEAT?
% >> HAVE POSSIBLE.
% AFTER ALL, RON KIND, LONG-TIME
% INCUMBENT FROM THE DISTRICT, HAD
% THE CLOSEST ELECTION OF HIS
% CAREER WHEN HE RAN AGAINST
% DERRICK VAN ORDEN IN 2020.
% IT WAS JUST A THREE-POINT MARGIN
% OF VICTORY FOR KIND.
% PLUS, WE HAD SEEN SOME
% INDICATIONS IN PRESIDENTIAL
% ELECTIONS THAT THIS AREA IN
% WESTERN WISCONSIN WAS DRIFTING
% AWAY FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
% DEMOCRATS MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A
% BIG HUNG UP ON THOSE RESULTS,
% THE CLOSER THAN EXPECTED RESULT
% IN 2020, THE PRESIDENTIAL
% RESULTS, AND MAYBE WRITTEN OFF
% THIS DISTRICT A LITTLE MORE THAN
% THEY SHOULD HAVE.
% IN RETROSPECT, IT WAS A MISTAKE
% ON THEIR PART, AND THEY MAY HAVE
% TO HAVE A COURSE CORRECTION IN
% 2024 TO REGROUP IN THE AREA.
% >> Frederica: SO, HOW DO TRUMP
% REPUBLICANS, LIKE DERRICK VAN
% ORDEN, POTENTIALLY HAVE TO
% MODERATE POLITICALLY?
% >> IT'S A FASCINATING ISSUE,
% FREDERICA.
% VOTERS TEND TO VOTE THE
% CANDIDATE A BIT MORE THAN THE
% PARTY, SO MR. VAN ORDEN'S
% POLITICAL STRATEGY AS A MEMBER
% OF CONGRESS WILL BE FASCINATING
% TO WATCH.
% >> Frederica: ALL RIGHT,
% ANTHONY CHERGOSKY, THANK YOU%
VERY MUCH.% >> THANK YOU.
% >> Frederica: TO SEE EXTENDED
% INTERVIEW WITH PROFESSOR ANTHONY
% CHERGOSKY, VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT
% PBSWISCONSIN.ORG/NEWS.
% SO THE RED TSUNAMI DID NOT
% MATERIALIZE.%TONY EVERS WON A
ND SO DID RON
% JOHNSON.
% HOW TO PARTISANS FEEL ABOUT THE
% RESULTS?
% WE TURN TO THE POLITICAL
% PANELIST, BILL McCOSHEN, A
% CONSULTANT, AND DEMOCRAT, SCOT
% ROSS.
% THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
% >> THANK YOU.%>> Frederica:
WHAT'S YOUR
% REACTION,, AND SKOT, TO THE
% ELECTION?
% >> EVERS' MANDATE NOW MEANS WE
% MOVE FORWARD.
% DEMOCRACY WAS ON THE THE BALLOT,
% ABORTION, AND FREEDOM ON THE%
BALLOT, AND THE PEOPLE RESPONDED% AN
D SAID THEY WANTED THE
% DEMOCRATIC WAY.
% THEY WANTED EVERS IN THERE TO
% MAKE SURE FREEDOMS ARE
% PROTECTED.
% WE'LL HAVE FREE AND FAIR
% ELECTIONS FROM NOW ON.
% LET'S SEE IF THE REPUBLICANS CAN
% JOIN US IN THE MANDATE AND MOVE
% THE STATE FORWARD.
% >> Frederica: BILL, WHAT WAS
% YOUR ANSWER?
% >> LIKE A YOUTH SOCCER
% TOURNAMENT, EVERYONE GOT A
% TROPHY, REPUBLICANS WON THE
% SENATE RACE, TREASURER'S RACE,
% 3rd CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT,
% AND GOT SEATS IN THE ASSEMBLY
% AND SENATE.
% THERE ARE BIG WINS ON THE
% REPUBLICAN SIDE ON TUESDAY NIGHT
% AS WELL.
% GRANTED, THERE WERE SOME
% SIGNIFICANT DEMOCRATIC WINS.
% LOSING THE GOVERNORSHIP AND AG'S
% RACE, AND THIS POLITICAL CLIMATE
% IS A MASSIVE MISSED OPPORTUNITY
% FOR REPUBLICANS.
% THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
% >> Frederica: YOU SPOKE, BILL,
% TO LESSONS LEARNED AFTER THE
% DEFEAT OF YOUR CANDIDATE, TIM
% MICHAELS, LIKE WHAT?
% >> WELL, I THINK, NUMBER ONE, IS
% MONEY, RIGHT?
% YOU NEED MONEY, ORGANIZATION,
% AND MESSAGE TO WIN STATEWIDE,
% AND, YOU KNOW, TIM WAS MASSIVELY
% OUTSPENT, AND AT THE END OF THE
% DAY, MONEY MATTERS.
% YOU CAN'T GET OUTSPENT
% $12 MILLION TO $20 MILLION AND
% HOPE TO COMPETE IN THE STATE OF
% WISCONSIN.%I THINK THAT WAS O
NE THING.
% ON THE GROUND, I GIVE DEMOCRATS
% THE CREDIT.
% THEY ACTUALLY HAD A VERY
% STRATEGIC GROUND,
% MICROTARGETTING EFFORT ON CAMPUS
% ACROSS THE STATE, WHICH,
% FRANKLY, MADE THE 3rd
% CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT CLOSER
% THAN MOST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE
% AND TARGET THE YOUNG PEOPLE ON
% ABORTION.
% GEN-Z IS THE ONLY DEMOGRAPHIC
% THAT VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS IN
% OVERWHELMING NUMBERS TUESDAY
% NIGHT.
% EVERYONE ELSE VOTED REPUBLICAN.
% DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY%
WERE AND HOW TO IDENTIFY THEM
% AND GET THEM OUT.
% >> Frederica: YOU SPOKE TO THE
% IDEAS OF DANE COUNTY AS THE
% POWER HOUSE, WHICH, PERHAPS,
% THAT CAME PAIN, THE TIM
% MICHAELS' CAMPAIGN, DID NOT PAY
% ATTENTION TO.%>> I'M A BROKE
N RECORD ON THIS
% AND SAID IT FOR 20 YEARS.
% WHEN MARK NEWMAN LOSS IN 1998 BY
% 90,000 VOTES, BELLS SHOULD HAVE
% BEEN GOING OFF FOR EVERY
% REPUBLICAN.
% THEY WERE NOT.
% EVERS BEAT MICHAELS BY 173,000
% VOTES TUESDAY NIGHT, ABOUT
% INSURMOUNTABLE.
% RON JOHNSON WAS ABLE TO OVERCOME
% IT IN LARGE MEASURE DEFINING
% BARNES ON THE TERMS HE WANTED
% HIM DEFINED.
% WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT, BUT
% DANE COUNTY NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER
% PRIORITY FOR REPUBLICANS IF THEY
% EVER WANT TO WIN THE
% GOVERNORSHIP AGAIN.%>> Frede
rica: SCOT, YOUR TAKE
% AWAY FOR THE CLOSE LOSS?
% >> REASON DANE COUNTY VOTES
% DEMOCRAT DEMOCRATIC IS THEY
% REFLECT THE VALUES, AND
% REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
% CHANGE STRIPES TO MAKE END ROADS
% IN DANE COUNTY.
% STARTING THERE.
% VERY DISAPPOINTING.
% YOU KNOW, BARNES KEPT HANGING
% WITH WISCONSIN, AND IT IS
% UNFORTUNATE WHAT HAPPENED,
% WHICH, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT
% THE MONEY, BARNES OUTSPENT BY
% $29 MILLION.
% I DON'T THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW,
% UNDERSTATE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
% DIANE AND THE LINES.
% THEY GOT $500 MILLION FROM RON
% JOHNSON IN A PERSONAL TAX BREAK
% EXTORTED PUBLICLY FOR THEM AND
% WENT ON TO BASICALLY FINANCE
% HALF OF THE EFFORT, YOU KNOW,
% AGAINST BARNES FOR RON JOHNSON.%
I THINK THAT'S JUST SHOCKING.
% >> Frederica: IN MILWAUKEE
% COUNTY, TURNOUT WAS DOWN FROM
% 2018.
% WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?
% >> I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW,
% YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET
% VOTERS OUT TO THE POLLS.
% MILWAUKEE DOES A GOOD JOB OF IT.
% YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU ARE
% SHORT, THOUGH, AND I THINK, YOU
% KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE BREEZE,
% YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE CLOSEST
% SENATE RACE I CAN REMEMBER OR --
% >> FIRST TIME IN HISTORY BOTH
% STATEWIDE RACES WITHIN 3%.
% FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.
% >> AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO
% 1998 FOR A U.S. SENATE RACE THAT
% CLOSE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK
% IF THE BREEZE BLOWS DIFFERENT ON
% ELECTION DAY, BARNES IS U.S.
% SENATOR ELECT.%>> THREE OF US
ARE OLD ENOUGH TO
% REPUBLICAN WHEN WISCONSIN SPLIT
% THE TICKET A LOT.
% IN THE 1990s A LOT, 1998,
% GOVERNOR WON WITH 60%, AND
% FINEGOLD BEAT NEWMAN.
% >> ONLY BY 37,000 VOTES.
% >> THAT WAS THE LAST TIME, 24
% YEARS AGO SPLITTING THE TICKET
% AT THE TOP.
% >> Frederica: YOU TALKED ABOUT
% REPUBLICANS, BILL, FINDING A
% DIFFERENT CANDIDATE TO APPEAL TO
% SUBURBAN VOTERS.
% IS IT THE ALLURE OF DONALD TRUMP
% OVER?%>> I THINK IT'S OVER.
% I THINK THE PARTY'S READY TO
% LOOK FORWARD, NOT BACKWARDS,
% AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFUL PRESIDENT
% TRUMP DOES NOT ANNOUNCE FOR THE
% WHITE HOUSE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I
% THINK THAT DISRUPTS WHAT'S GOING
% ON IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, AND
% I THINK GEORGIA SHOULD BE
% REPUBLICAN'S SOLE FOCUS FOR NEXT
% 30 DAYS, AND ANYTHING IN THE WAY
% OF THAT SHOULD BE SHUNNED BY
% VOTERS, AND I THINK YOU SEE HIS
% RECENT ATTACK ON RON DeSANTIS
% THIS WEEK THAT REPUBLICANS ARE
% PUSHING BACK IN A BIG WAY.
% I -- DONALD TRUMP MAY, IN FACT,
% GET IN THE RACE, BUT IT'S NOT A
% GIVEN HE'S THE NOMINEE.
% >> Frederica: SCOT, HOW DO
% DEMOCRATS RECLAIM SUPPORT OF
% RURAL VOTERS?
% >> THEY HAD IT IN LA CROSSE AND
% O'CLAIRE, CARRYING A LOT OF THE
% COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, THAT HE
% CARRIED LAST TIME.
% I DON'T THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE A
% RURAL REPUBLICAN, BUT
% REPUBLICANS HAVE A SUBURBAN
% PROBLEM, THE DARK RED WOW
% COUNTIES ARE MOVING TOWARDS
% DEMOCRATS, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
% WHERE WE ARE AT.
% >> Frederica: I JUST WANT TO
% SPIN NOW TO THE NEXT BIG RACE IN
% WISCONSIN, STATE SUPREME COURT
% RACE.
% WHAT'S THE STAKES, BILL?
% >> HUGE.
% 4-3 CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY, BRIAN
% SWINGS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN
% THE TWO BLOCKS OF THREE, AND SO
% IT'S NOT DECIDEDLY CONSERVATIVE.
% THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE SEAT
% THAT'S UP, AND I THINK THE
% STAKES ARE VERY, VERY HIGH, AND
% THERE'S AT LEAST ONE
% CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN
% ALREADY, FORMER SUPREME COURT
% JUSTICE DAN KELLY, FAIRLY
% CONFIDENT THERE'S GOING TO BE
% ANOTHER POSSIBLY JUDGE DORREL
% BEFORE THE END OF NOVEMBER.
% >> Frederica: SCOT?
% >> COUPLE THINGS, ONE, BRIAN'S
% DONE WITH HIS SWING DANCE PARTY,
% LIKE, IT'S OVER, HE'S WITH THE
% REPUBLICANS FROM HERE ON NOW.
% SECOND THING IS, PROGRESSIVES
% HAVE AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY,
% EVER SINCE MIKE GABLEMAN WON IN
% 2008, THE SUPREME COURT'S BEEN
% CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS.
% YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS HAVE A
% FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY.
% I THINK THEY'LL SEIZE IT.
% I DON'T THINK ANY OTHER ROM
% REPUBLICANS GET IN.
% >> Frederica: WE LEAVE IT
% THERE, BILL McCOSHEN, SCOT
% ROSS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.%>>
THANK YOU.
% >> Frederica: FOR MORE ON THIS
% AND OTHER ISSUES, GO TO
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% THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
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