% ■
% >> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART
% OF OUR "HERE & NOW" 2022
% ELECTION COVERAGE.
% AFTER A LONG AN EXPENSIVE
% CAMPAIGN SEASON, ELECTION DAY IS
% FINALLY ALMOST HERE.
% AND CANDIDATES ARE PULLING OUT
% ALL THE STOPS MAKING THEIR FINAL
% BIDS TO VOTERS.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT ON "HERE & NOW", ZAC
% SCHULTZ REPORTS ON THE
% GOVERNOR'S RACE AND THE FUTURE
% OF PUBLIC EDUCATION.
% THE LATEST MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL
% SURVEY AND ABOUT WHAT THE ROLES
% VOTERS CAN PLAY.
% >> FUNDED IS PROVIDED BY:
% >> Frederica: IN JUST A FEW
% DAYS, VOTERS WILL GO TO THE
% POLLS AND DECIDE WHAT THE FUTURE
% OF WISCONSIN GOVERNMENT WILL
% LOOK LIKE.
% DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR TONY EVERS
% SAID HE'S VETOED BILLS PASSED BY
% A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE AND HE
% CAN EXPECT THE SAME AS IT'S
% ASSURED TO REMAIN IN REPUBLICAN
% HANDS AND OTHERS WILL TRANSFORM
% WISCONSIN FOR YEARS TO COME AND
% PUBLIC EDUCATION IS A FOCUS ON
% HOW SCHOOLS SHOULD OPERATE.
% ZAC SCHULTZ REPORTS.
% >> WE'LL STOP THE CRT AND GET
% BACK TO THE ABCs.
% >> REPUBLICAN TIM MICHELS PLANS
% CAN BE REDUCED TO ONE LINE.
% >> WE'LL STOP THE CRT AND GET
% BACK TO THE ABCs.
% >> WE'RE GOING TO STOP THE CRT
% AND GET BACK TO THE ABC.
% >> TIME IS UP, GOVERNOR.
% >> CRTs ARE NOT TAUGHT AND ABCs
% ARE.
% MOST PARENTS TEACH IT AT HOME.
% >> IT'S SHORT FOR CRT CRT.
% A COLLEGE-LEVEL POLITICAL THEORY
% WHICH USES RACE AS A LENS TO
% EXAMINE HISTORY BUT IT'S BECOME
% PART OF THE ONGOING CULTURE WARS
% THAT DRIVE REPUBLICAN TURNOUT AT%
THE POLLS.
% >> NOW IT'S ALL ABOUT THE
% ACRONYMS LGBTQ AND BLM.
% >> WHEN YOU START PICKING PEOPLE
% OUT WHETHER IT'S BLACK KIDS,
% BROWN KIDS, LGBTQ KIDS,
% WOKENESS, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU
% DIVIDED EVERYBODY AND THAT DOES
% NOTHING FOR A CONVERSATION.
% IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY THAT IS
% NEVER WALKED THROUGH A PUBLIC
% SCHOOL IN THEIR LIFE.
% >> DEMOCRAT TONY EVERS IS
% COMFORTABLE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS
% EVEN IF THEY CONFUSE HIM.
% >> YOU LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY I
% KNOW.%>> I'M GOVERNOR OF THE
STATE OF
% WISCONSIN.%YOU MAY HAVE SEEN
ME ON TV.
% >> YOU LOOK LIKE JOE BIDEN.
% >> THAT'S A COMPLIMENT.
% >> PRIOR TO BECOMING GOVERNOR,
% HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE CAREER IN
% EDUCATION AS A TEACHER,
% ADMINISTRATOR AND SUPERINTENDENT
% AND WANTS TO PROPOSE ADDITIONAL
% SPEND NEXT BUDGET.
% >> WE NEED MORE RESOURCES FOR
% THEM.
% NO QUESTION.
% >> TIM MICHELS MADE HIS POSITION
% CLEAR IN NUMEROUS SPEECHES BUT
% WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
% >> OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM IS
% BROKEN IN WISCONSIN.
% WE'RE THROWING SO MUCH MONEY AT
% EDUCATION IT'S BEEN THE FIX, IF
% YOU WILL, THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS
% MORE MONEY AT EDUCATION, MORE
% MONEY AT EDUCATION AND IT'S NOT
% WORKING.
% THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY WE'LL
% LEAVE IT AT THAT.
% >> HIS SOLUTION IS UNIVERSAL
% SCHOOL CHOICE.
% >> WE'LL HAVE EDUCATION REFORM.
% WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
% UNIVERSAL SCHOOL CHOICE.
% >> HIS WEBSITE IS LIGHT ON
% SPECIFICS BUT IT WOULD LIKELY
% LIFT THE ENROLLMENT AND INCOME
% CAPS ON THE VOUCHER PROGRAMS
% ALLOWING WEALTHY PROGRAMS TO USE
% TAX DOLLARS TO PAY PRIVATE
% SCHOOL AND THE PROBLEM IS WHEN
% THEY LEAVE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS
% THEY STILL TO PAY THE LIGHT BILL
% AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO RAISE
% PROPERTY TAXES TO MAKE UP THE
% DIFFERENCE.
% >> IT WILL BE A PROPERTY TAX
% INCREASE.%>> HIS PLAN IS NEE
DED BY
% POINTING TO A HANDFUL OF
% MILWAUKEE SCHOOLS IN BLACK
% NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SAW READING
% SCORES CRASH DURING COVID.
% >> BABY GIRLS HAVE ZERO CHANCE
% AT BEING SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE
% UNLESS WE CHANGE EDUCATION.
% THAT'S WHY IT'S THE FOUNDATION
% OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
% WE'RE GETTING UNIVERSAL SCHOOL
% CHOICE AND GET MILWAUKEE IN THE
% RIGHT DIRECTION.
% >> THE PROBLEM IS MILWAUKEE'S
% HAD A VOUCHER PROGRAM FOR THREE
% DECADES.
% UNIVERSAL SCHOOL CHOICE WON'T
% CHANGE THE SITUATION THERE AT
% ALL.
% ATTACKING SCHOOLS MAY BE GOOD
% POLITICS BUT EVERS SAYS IT'S
% DANGEROUS POLICY.
% >> WHAT'S IT DO TO OUR
% INSTITUTIONS IN THE MEANTIME?
% IT DESTROYS THEM.
% SO IT'S POLITICS AT ITS WORSE.
% >> AND THEY MAY TURN INTO
% POLICY.
% THE VETO OF A REPUBLICAN BILL
% THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED PARENTS
% TO SUE OVER THE USE OF NAMES AND
% PRONOUNS FOR TRANSGENDER KIDS.
% MICHELS WOULD SIGN IT.
% >> IF MY OPPONENT IS ELECTED IT
% WILL IMPACT REPRODUCTIVE SKILLS
% AND YOU NAME IT, WISCONSIN WILL
% BE A DIFFERENT PLACE.
% >> WE KNOW THEY'RE
% INDOCTRINATING OUR CHILDREN.
% >> IN HIS SPEECHES TO
% CONSERVATIVE AUDIENCES HIS
% RHETORIC IS MORE INFLAMED.
% >> IT'S A CULTURAL SHIFT THE
% LEFT WANTS PART OF DESTROYING
% AMERICA.
% >> HE LINKED PUBLIC SCHOOLS ONE
% THE NUMBER OF MOVEMENTS
% CONNECTED TO BLACK AMERICA.
% >> WE BELIEVE THE COUNTRY IS ON
% A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO SOCIALIVELY
% AND CLOAKED BEHIND CRT AND BLM
% AND DEFUND THE POLICE.
% >> TO EVERS THE RACIST UNDER
% TONES SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED.
% >> THERE'S A LOT OF HARM THAT'S
% DONE BY DIVIDING PEOPLE.
% THAT'S HOW TRUMP DOES ITS AND MY
% OPPONENT DOES IT.
% >> GOVERNOR DeSANTIS PRAISE
% MICHELS.
% >> YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT IN
% WISCONSIN AND THEN SOMEWHAT WE
% DID IN FLORIDA.
% >> HE SIGNED A BILL THE CRITICS
% SAY THE DON'T SAY GAY BILL
% PREVENTING ELEMENTARY TEACHERS
% FROM TALKING ABOUT SEXUAL
% ORIENTA
% ORIENTATION.%>> WE DON'T NEED
DeSANTIS TO
% TELL US HOW TO DO THINGS.
% >> THE POLITICS AREN'T GOOD FOR
% WISCONSIN SCHOOLS.
% >> IF MY OPPONENT'S ELECTED WE
% COULD BE LIKE FLORIDA -- WELL,
% EXACTLY THINKS THAT'S A GOOD
% IDEA?%>> HOW DID MICHELS WAN
T STUDENTS
% EDUCATED ON THE ISSUE OF RACE
% AND GENDER?
% >> WE'LL LET PARENTS DECIDE NOT
% WOKE EDUCRATS.
% >> HE BELIEVES THERE'S A LIBERAL
% KABAL IN EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT
% IN THE IS THAT RIGHT IS WOKE,
% WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
% >> WE NEED TO MAKE SURE KIDS SEE
% THEMSELVES REPRESENTED IN THE
% HISTORY WE TEACH.
% >> STATE SUPERINTENDENT JILL
% UNDERLY SAID CRITICAL RACE
% THEORY NOT A SUBJECT TAUGHT IN
% K-12 SCHOOLS BUT WHAT YOU'RE
% ASKING ARE WE TEACHING STUDENTS
% ABOUT RACE AND RACISM, THEN THE
% ANSWER IS AND SHOULD BE YES.
% THAT'S WHAT HAS MICHELS UPSET.
% >> I DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT
% FREDRICA THAT EVERYTHING IS
% BEING TAUGHT PROPERLY.
% PARENTS HAVE SHOWN ME THE STUFF
% TAUGHT TO THEIR KIDS IN SCHOOL
% AND OUTRAGED AND DON'T LIKE IT.
% >> EVERS SAID MICHELS IS TRYING
% TO USE THAT TO GET ELECT.
% >> PEOPLE CAN'T DEFINE IT AND
% THEN PEOPLE GET ANGRY WITH EACH
% OTHER.%IT'S A WAY OF DIVIDING
PEOPLE
% AND IF YOU DIVIDE PEOPLE AND IN
% SUCH A WAY THAT 51% BELIEVE YOU,
% YOU'LL GET ELECTED.
% >> REPORT FROM MADISON, I'M ZAC
% SCHULTZ FOR HERE AND NOW.
% >> Frederica: WE HAVE A
% CORRECTION FROM LAST WEEK.
% WE MIS-IDENTIFIED STACY SCOGGIN.
% WE HAVE THE LATEST POLL AHEAD OF
% THE ELECTION.
% MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL
% DIRECTOR JOINS US.
% THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
% >> Frederica: WE HAVE A TOSS-UP
% AND A DEAD HEAT WITH EVERS AND
% MICHELS EACH AT 48% AMONG LIKELY
% VOTERS.
% THIS HAS MOVED IN MICHEL'S
% DIRECTION.%WHAT DO ADS DO TO
THE VOTERS?
% >> WE'VE SEEN A SMALL BUT
% CONSISTENT TIGHTENING IN THE
% GOVERNOR'S RACE.
% I THINK THE CAMPAIGN HAS TO DO
% WITH THE ADVERTISING IS
% VOLUMINOUS MORE THAN IN PREVIOUS
% RACE.
% SO PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY EXPOSED
% TO CAMPAIGN MESSAGES WHETHER
% THAT PRODUCES A TIGHTER RACE OR
% NOT I DON'T KNOW BUT CERTAINLY
% IT MEANS THAT VOTERS HAVE GAINED
% INFORMATION ABOUT THE CANDIDATES
% AND FORMED OPINIONS ABOUT THEM
% ESPECIALLY TIM MICHELS THE
% CHALLENGER.
% TONY EVERS THEIR VIEWS HAVEN'T
% CHANGE AS MUCH ON HIM
% >> Frederica: TURNOUT WILL BE
% EVERYTHING.
% >> TURNOUT WILL BE EVERYTHING A,
% BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS EVERYTHING,
% BUT ALSO HERE IN WISCONSIN WHERE
% WE'RE LOOKING AT SUCH A CLOSE
% RACE, TIED AT 48% IN OUR POLL
% DOESN'T GET ANY CLOSER THAN
% THAT.
% EVEN LITTLE CHANGES MATTER AND
% SO YOU'RE SEEING BOTH PARTIES
% PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS THIS
% WEEK AND OVER THE WEEKEND TO TRY
% TO GET EVERY LAST SINGLE VOTER
% THEY CAN GET.
% BECAUSE WE'RE PAST THE POINT
% WHERE THERE'S VERY MANY PEOPLE
% TO INFLUENCE.
% >> Frederica: AND SINCE YOUR
% LAST PAUL BONDS HAS MOVED UP.
% GOING INTO THIS RON JOHNSON WAS
% REGARDED AS ONE OF THE MOST
% VULNERABLE RE-ELECTION BY THE
% NATIONAL PUNDITS.
% WHAT'S RESPONSIBLE AMONG
% WISCONSIN VOTERS FOR HIM
% MAINTAINING HIS STAYING POWER?
% >> AS WE SAW IN 2016 WHEN
% JOHNSON WON RE-ELECTION THE LAST
% TIME, HE STARTED THE YEAR VIEWED
% UNFAVORABLY BY QUITE A BIT OF
% ABOUT 9 OR 10 POINTS UNFAVORABLE
% THAN FAVORABLE VIEWS.
% OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR IN
% EACH POLL HE'S GOTTEN JUST A
% LITTLE BIT MORE FAVORABLE AND
% HIS NET NOW IS JUST BARELY NET
% NEGATIVE.
% SO HE'S STILL A LITTLE NET
% NEGATIVE BUT IMPROVED OVER THE
% COURSE OF THE XAVCAMPAIGN.
% THAT'S THE SAME WHEN HE STARTED
% LAST TIME AND CAUGHT UP.
% WE SEE TIGHTENING WHERE WE HAD
% JOHNSON UP 6 POINTS TO TODAY UP
% BY 2 POINTS BUT DIDN'T REALIZE
% IT REPRESENTS A 2-POINT CHANGE
% IN BARNES' FAVOR AND AGAINST
% JOHNSON.
% WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT 2-POINT
% CHANGE ON EACH OF THE
% CANDIDATES.
% THAT'S ALL IT TOOK TO GO FROM A
% 6-POINT TO 2-POINT LEAD.
% > Frederica: IN THE CARES ABOUT
% PEOPLE LIKE ME, CATEGORY, BOTH
% HAVE IT OVER THE REPUBLICANS 52%
% OF OF RESPONDENTS SAID TONY
% EVERS CARES WITH 40% SAYING HE
% DOESN'T.
% THAT'S COMPARED TO TIM MICHELS
% WHERE 43% SAID HE CARES ABOUT
% PEOPLE LIKE THEM AND 46% SAID HE
% DOESN'T CARE.
% DO PEOPLE VOTE BASED ON THIS
% PERCEPTION?
% >> WE ALWAYS THINK SO BUT I PUT
% THE QUESTION IN IN PART TO SEE
% THIS.
% THE DEMOCRAT HAS THE ADVANTAGE
% YET THE RACE IS TIED.
% MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE OF THE
% ADVANTAGE ON THE PERSONAL
% CHARACTERISTIC IS WHY EVERS IS
% DOING AS WELL AS HE DID AND IF
% HE DIDN'T HE MAY BE TRAIL.
% ON THE OTHER HAND, THE PARTISAN
% TIES MAY INFLUENCE VOTING FOR A
% CANDIDATE WHEN WE DON'T THINK
% THEY'RE TERRIFIC OR CARE MORE
% ABOUT ME.
% >> Frederica: IN THE SENATE RACE
% 49% SAID MENDELA BARNES CARES
% ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE THEM WITH 42%
% SAYING AND FOR JOHNSON 49% SAID
% HE DOESN'T.
% IS THIS MOSTLY ABOUT RICH VERSUS
% WORKING CLASS OR IS THERE
% SOMETHING MORE HERE?
% >> I WONDER ABOUT THAT.
% IT'S INTERESTING THAT DESPITE
% THE NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN ADS THAT
% WE'VE SEEN THROUGH THE YEAR,
% BARNES MAINTAINS THIS ADVANTAGE
% THOUGH OUT OF THOSE ATTACKS ARE
% DIRECTED AT HIM.
% WE DID ASK FOR THE CLASS
% QUESTION, DO EACH OF THESE
% CANDIDATES CARE -- WHO BETTER
% UNDERSTANDS THE PROBLEMS OF
% ORDINARY PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN?
% WE PUT THAT THERE BECAUSE WE
% HAVE TWO MILLIONAIRES RUNNING
% AGAINST TWO NON-MILLIONAIRES.
% YOU MAY THINK SOCIAL CLASS WOULD
% MATTER BUT WE SAY THE DEMOCRATS
% HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN
% ADVANTAGE ON THAT BUT NOT REALLY
% A LOT.
% IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE BEING
% WEALTHY AS A CANDIDATE MAKES
% PEOPLE THINK YOU DON'T
% UNDERSTAND THE ORDINARY
% PROBLEMS.
% >> Frederica: FOR YOUR POLLING
% OF ALL REGISTERED VOTERS IT'S IN
% VIOLENCE AND EDUCATION AND THE
% RANKING OF ISSUES DOES NOT FULLY
% COMFORT WITH WHAT VOTERS ARE
% ECHOING.
% FOR DEMOCRATS INFLATION COMES IN
% AT 5 AND ABORTION AT NUMBER 1.
% FOR REPUBLICANS, VOTE COUNT ANG
% RASSY IS ONE AND INFLATION AND
% THEN CRIME IS THREE.
% FOR ALL REGISTERED VOTERS AND
% INDEPENDENT VOTERS PUBLIC
% SCHOOLS VOTE HIGHER THAN FOR
% EITHER DEMS OR GOP AND
% INDEPENDENTS TRACK ISSUE TO
% REGISTERED VOTERS THAN MAJOR
% PARTY RESPONDENTS.
% WHAT'S THIS SAY FOR HOW THE
% PARTIES DECIDE FOR THE VOTERS
% INSTEAD THE OTHER WAY AROUND?
% >> I THINK WHEN WE SEE THE
% PARTIES TALK ABOUT ISSUES AT THE
% TOP OF THEIR LIST YOU'RE SEEING
% AN APPEAL TO THE BASE.
% REPUBLICANS PUSHED CRIME AN
% ISSUE WHICH NEAR THE TOP FOR
% THEIR VOTERS AND DEMOCRATS
% PUSHED ABORTION.
% WHOSE SPEAKING TO THE
% INDEPENDENTS THEY'RE A MIX.
% >> Frederica: CHARLES FRANKLIN
% AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
% >> THANK YOU, NOW EVERYBODY GO
% VOTE.%>> Frederica: WISCONSI
N LEADS
% THE NATION IN A RANKING OF YOUTH
% VOTERS THAT ARE LIKELY TO
% INFLUENCE THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS
% ACCORDING TO A TUFT'S RESEARCH
% GROUP SAYING WISCONSIN YOUTHS
% HAVE HAD ABOVE AVERAGE VOTER
% ENGAGEMENT IN THE RECENT
% COMPETITIVE ELECTIONS.
% WE TRAVELED ACROSS THE STATE IN
% LATE SEPTEMBER TO FIND OUT WHAT
% KINDS OF ISSUES THEY'RE THINKING
% ABOUT AND HOW THEY VIEW THEIR
% NEWLY ACQUIRED RIGHT TO VOTE.
% >> EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT VIEWS
% BUT THE OPTION THE ABILITY TO
% VOTE IS WAY TO GET YOUR VIEW
% OUT, YOUR DECISION NO MATTER
% WHAT IT IS.
% >> I FEEL LIKE IF ONLY ONE TYPE
% OF PEOPLE VOTE YOU CAN'T GET
% EVERYONE'S OPINION AND THEN THAT
% WON'T BE EQUAL.
% >> IF I COULDN'T VOTE I COULDN'T
% TRY TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON WHAT'S
% GOING ON AROUND ME AND IF I
% CAN'T MAKE AN IMPACT ON WHAT'S
% GOING ON AROUND ME I'M JUST
% LIVING HERE WITHOUT ANY SORT OF
% ANYTHING GOING ON.
% >> I'D SAY IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT
% BECAUSE I THINK EVEN ONE PERSON
% VOTING CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
% >> THE RIGHT DO VOTE IS
% IMPORTANT BECAUSE WITHOUT THE
% RIGHT TO VOTE COMMUNITIES THAT
% ARE OPPRESSED DON'T HAVE THE
% OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ORE THE
% OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD FOR
% THEIR STORIES FOR THE PEOPLE
% THEY ELECT TO OFFICE.
% >> I THINK AS AN PERSON YOU'RE
% NOT USING YOUR FULL FREEDOM AND
% RIGHTS IF YOU DON'T VOTE.
% HAVE YOU A SAY IN THE BIG
% PICTURE AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN
% GOVERNMENT AND USE THAT VOICE
% BECAUSE IT DID MATTER.
% >> Frederica: THOSE STUDENT
% INVIEWS WERE CONDUCTED AT
% SCHOOLS ACROSS THE STATE
% INCLUDING AT TWO WITH PBS NEWS
% HOUR REPORTING LABS.
% >>> THEY FIRED THE DEPUTY
% DIRECTOR OF MILWAUKEE ELECTIONS
% COMMISSION WITH MISDEMEANOR
% ELECTION FRAUD FOR THREE FAKE
% MILITARY ABSENTEE BALLOTS.
% HERE'S WHAT THE ADMINISTRATOR
% MEGAN WOLF SAID IN PART.
% >> I'M DEEPLY DISAPPOINT IN THIS
% INDIVIDUAL'S ACTIONS.
% THE ELECTION OFFICIAL VIOLATED
% ELECTION LAW AND UNDERMINE THE
% TRUST OF THE PUBLIC AND ELECTION
% WORKERS.
% THE ACTION OF THIS SINGLE
% INDIVIDUAL WERE SWIFTLY DETECTED
% AND NO IMPACT ON THE NOVEMBER 8
% ELECTION.
% >> Frederica: IN THE FINAL
% RUN-UP TO THE NOVEMBER 8
% ELECTION, PRESIDENT JILL BIDEN
% TOOK IN THE AIRWAVES TO DECRY
% THE POLITICAL VIOLENCE SAYING
% THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN
% FUELED THE CAPITAL INSURRECTION
% AND THE RECENT ATTACK ON NANCY
% PELOSI'S HUSBAND.
% >> IT'S A LIE THAT FUELED THE
% RISE IN VIOLENCE AND VOTER
% INTIMIDATION IN THE PAST TWO
% YEARS.
% >> Frederica: IS THERE A DIRECT
% LINE FROM DISINFORMATION TO
% VOTER INTIMIDATION AND POLITICAL
% VIOLENCE WE MISINFORMATION WITH
% EXPERT ON POLITICAL
% COMMUNICATION MIKE WAGNER ALSO
% ENGAGED IN RESEARCH ON THE
% TOPIC.
% THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
% >> MY PLEASURE.
% >> Frederica: IS IT A QUESTION
% DISINFORMATION FUELS VIOLENCE
% AND VOTER INTIMIDATION?
% >> IT'S A QUESTION AND IT SEEMS
% TO.
% THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SEE MISS
% AND DISINFORMATION ON THEIR
% SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS AND MORE
% EXTREME CORNERS OF THE INTERNET
% AND IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO MEET
% UP TOGETHER AN THERE ARE DIRECT
% LINES WE CAN DRAW BETWEEN THE
% MISINFORMATION ONLINE AND
% PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR THAT CAN TURN
% VIOLENT.
% >> Frederica: THIS IS AN OLD
% QUESTION BUT WHAT DOES WHAT THE
% PRESIDENT CALLS THE BIG LIE
% PERSIST EVEN IN THE FACE OF SO
% MUCH FACT CHECKING AND EVIDENCE
% TO THE CONTRARY?
% >> PART IS SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE
% REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO
% ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS CONTINUE
% TO FUEL IT.
% MUCH OF THE OPINIONS THAT
% AMERICANS DEVELOP IS DRIVEN IN
% PART BY WHAT OUR OFFICIALS SAY
% AND HELP SHAPE OUR ATTITUDE.
% MOST LOOK TO THE LEADER OF THE
% PARTY WE PREFER TO HELP US MAKE
% SENSE OF THE WORLD AROUND IF
% LEADERS ARE SAYING THE ELECTION
% WAS STOLEN IT BECOMES HARD TO
% TRUST THE FACT CHECK AND COUPLE
% THAT WITH THE TALK RADIO AND FAR
% RIGHT ECOLOGY ON SOCIAL MEDIA
% SAYING YOU CAN'T TRUST THE NEWS
% MEDIA YOU HAVE A TOXIC MIX OF
% DISTRUST.%>> Frederica: HOW
MUCH
% MISINFORMATION OR DISINFORMATION
% IS FLYING AROUND RIGHT NOW?
% >> THERE'S A LOT.
% THE TRUTH SENDS TO BE MORE
% MUNDANE AND DISINFORMATION MORE
% EMOTIONAL AND WE RECOGNIZE IT
% AND LIKELY TO GET SHARED SO IT
% SPREADS FASTER THAN THE TRUTH
% WHY WE CAN'T CATCH UP.
% >> Frederica: SO YOU'RE LOOKING
% AT THIS ALL THE TIME.
% WHAT'S ONE OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS
% EXAMPLES YOU'VE SEEN.
% >> THAT THERE ARE ELECTED
% OFFICIALS RUNNING SECRET RINGS
% THAT ABUSE CHILDREN AND OTHERS
% RELATED TO VACCINATES.
% NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT REDUCES THE
% LIKELIHOOD AND VACCINATION DOWN
% SO THE SPILLOVER IS HUGE AND HOW
% IT AFFECTS OTHER ISSUES.
% >> Frederica: WHERE'S IT MOST
% HEAVILY TRAFFICKED?
% SOCIAL MEDIA, TWITTER, FACEBOOK
% IS A PLACE.
% OTHER MORE EXTREME, PARLOR,
% OTHER PLACES WHERE IT PURVEYS
% QUITE A BIT.
% THERE'S A NETWORK OF PEOPLE
% WILLING TO SHARE IT.
% IT'S PROFITABLE TO DO IT.
% >> Frederica: WHY DO PEOPLE
% EMBRACE IT?
% >> SOME DO IT BECAUSE IT FEELS
% GOOD TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE
% HAVING TO HEAR THE NEGATIVE
% THINGS ABOUT THEM AND OTHERS DO
% IT BECAUSE IT'S PROFITABLE OR IT
% MIGHT HELP THEIR PARTICULAR SIDE
% GAIN POWER.
% OTHERS PREFER CHAOS AND THERE'S
% A SMALL SUBSET OF PEOPLE WHO
% ENJOY WATCHING THE WORLD BURN
% AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE
% THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE TO STIR
% THINGS UP.
% >> Frederica: FORMER PRESIDENT
% OBAMA ASKED WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
% TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER ANY MORE?
% >> WE LOSE A SHARED OPPORTUNITY
% TO SOLVE PROBLEMS IF WE CAN'T
% AGREE ON TRUTH HOW CAN WE AGREE
% ON POTENTIAL WAYS TO SOLVE THE
% PROBLEMS?
% OUR ABILITY TO GOVERNOR
% OURSELVES IS DEEPLY AFFECTED
% WHETHER THERE'S COLLECTIVE
% UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT'S
% VERIFIABLY TRUE.
% >> Frederica: IS THAT WHERE WE
% ARE NOW?
% >> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE STRONG
% BUT BARELY.
% I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS STUDYING
% THESE ISSUES ARE WORRIED PEOPLE
% MAY SHUT OFF TO UNDERSTANDING
% THE INFORMATION THAT'S BAD FOR
% THEIR SIDE SHOULD BE REJECTED
% AND PEOPLE NEED TO ACCEPT WHEN
% THEY LOSE AND I'M A VIKINGS FAN,
% WE'VE NEVER WON A SUPER BOWL AND
% I WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF A ROOM
% IF I SAID WE HAD AND PEOPLE ARE
% MAKING THE SAME BIZARRE CLAIMS
% ON REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE
% WHO WON AN ELECTION OR DOES THE
% VACCINE CAUSE A PROBLEM.
% >> Frederica: SO PERSISTENT
% DISINFORMATION LIKE THIS STOLEN
% ELECTION MAY WHIP SOME PEOPLE
% INTO COMMITTING POLITICAL
% VIOLENCE BUT WHAT EFFECT DOES
% THIS HAVE ON THE LONG SIMMER ON
% FOLKS WHO CRASH THE CAPITAL OR
% HURT ANYBODY?
% >> ONE THING IT DOES IS REDUCES
% MANY PEOPLE'S BELIEF THAT WE CAN
% SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT WE CAN WORK
% TOGETHER TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
% IT LOWERS OUR ABILITY TO WANT TO
% COMPROMISE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
% IF THE OTHER SIDE IS DANGEROUS
% AND EVIL WHY WOULD WE WANT TO
% COMPROMISE.%THERE'S LONG-TER
M PROBLEMS IN
% TERMS OF GENERALIZED PROBLEM
% SOLVING AND THE LACK OF TRUST IN
% PEOPLE WHO CAN TELL US
% VERIFIABLY TRUE INFORMATION AND
% THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE NEED TO
% KNOW WHAT'S TRUE AND COULD BE
% LIFE AND DEATH AND IF WE CANNOT
% TRUST JOURNALISTS WHO FACE
% CONSEQUENCES WHEN THEY SAY
% THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE, IF WE
% DON'T TRUST THEM WE'RE IN REAL
% TROUBLE.%>> Frederica: WHAT'S
GOING TO
% BREAK THIS CYCLE?
% >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
% I WISH I KNEW THE ANSWER.
% I THINK ONE THING THAT CAN HELP
% IS LISTENING.
% I THINK WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO
% PERSUADE PEOPLE WHO WE KNOW
% BELIEVE THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE
% WE SHOULD AIM FOR THE HEART AND
% NOT HEAD.
% HERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO BUILD
% TRUST THAT GO BEYOND I'M RIGHT
% AND YOU'RE WRONG AND YOU HAVE TO
% ACCEPT IT.
% >> Frederica: HOW MIGHT ALL THIS
% MISINFORMATION AFFECT THIS
% ELECTION?
% >> I THINK WE MAY SEE ONE SIDE
% OR NOT WILLING TO CONCEDE THEY
% LOST AND MAY LEAD TO MORE
% BEHAVIORS LIKE JANUARY 6 AT THE
% U.S. CAPITAL AND THERE'S
% GOVERNOR AND SENATE RACES THAT
% MAY RAISE THE IRE OF PEOPLE AND
% THERE ARE THINGS TO BE WATCHING
% AS WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE
% COUNTING OF THE VOTES AFTER
% ELECTION DAY.
% >> Frederica: MIKE WAGNER,
% THANKS VERY MUCH.%>> MY PLEA
SURE.
% >> Frederica: YOU CAN FIND
% INFORMATION ABOUT CANDIDATES AND
% VOTING AS WELL AS REAL-TIME
% ELECTION RESULTS BY VISITING
% WISCONSINVOTE.org AND VISIT PBS
% WISCONSIN.org AND CLICK ON THE
% NEWS TAB.
% THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.%■