% ♪
% >> Announcer: THE FOLLOWING%
PROGRAM IS A PBS WISCONSIN
% ORIGINAL PRODUCTION.
% >>> WITHOUT LEGAL ABORTION IN
% WISCONSIN, PHYSICIANS ARE CAUGHT
% IN THE LEGAL CROSS FIRE, AND
% WITH THE BASIS UPON WHICH ROE
% WAS OVERTURNED, MANY ARE WORRIED
% GAY MARRIAGE COULD BE NEXT TO%
GO.%THE APPROACHING PRIMARY ELEC
TION
% HAS EVERYONE FROM CANDIDATES TO
% CLERKS WORKING OVERTIME.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.%TONI
GHT ON ""HERE & NOW," TAMMY
% BALDWIN AND THE NEWLY THINNED
% DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY RACE, AND ANN
% JACOBS, AND ZAC SCHULTZ OUTLINES
% G.O.P. CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR
% ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND AN ER DOC
% ON THE DANGEROUS LEGAL LIMBO OF
% MEDICAL ABORTIONS.
% IT IS "HERE & NOW" FOR JULY 29.
% >> Announcer: FUNDING FOR
% "HERE & NOW" IS PROVIDED BY THE
% FOCUS FUND FOR JOURNALISM AND
% FRIENDS OF PBS WISCONSIN.%♪
% >>> THE NATION'S FIRST OPENLY
% GAY U.S. SENATOR, TAMMY BALDWIN
% OF WISCONSIN, WORKS TO GET TEN
% REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO VOTE IN
% FAVOR OF THE RESPECT FOR
% MARRIAGE ACT, A BILL TO%ESTA
BLISH THE RIGHT TO SAME-SEX
% AND INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE IN
% FEDERAL LAW.
% SUCCESS PILOT THE MAJORITY OF
% THE PUBLIC SUPPORTING SAME-SEX
% MARRIAGE, INCLUDING REPUBLICANS,
% THE PUSH FOR PASSAGE OF THE BILL
% ENSHRINING THAT RIGHT COULD BE
% AN UPHILL CLIMB.
% SENATOR TAMMY BALDWIN IS JOINING
% US NOW, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH
% FOR BEING HERE.
% >> IT IS A PLEASURE TO JOIN YOU.
% >> SENATOR, FIRST, WE WANT TO
% ASK YOU WITH THREE DROPPING OUT,
% WILL YOU NOW FORMALLY ENDORSE
% MANDELA BARNES?
% >> I WILL BE TALKING WITH THE
% REMAINING CANDIDATES, AND,
% CERTAINLY, AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID,
% I'LL BE BEHIND THE NOMINEE.
% IT APPEARS THAT WILL BE MANDELA
% BARNES, AND I'M VERY EXCITED
% ABOUT THE RACE AHEAD.
% >> BECAUSE WHAT DOES THE
% THINNING OF THE FIELD SAY ABOUT
% HIS CANDIDACY IN YOUR MIND?
% >> WELL, I THINK IT'S A STRONG
% CANDIDACY.
% HE IS CERTAINLY RUNNING A VERY
% GOOD RACE AND GETTING ALL AROUND
% THE STATE, AND TALKING TO THE
% WISCONSIN VOTERS, BUT THE
% CONTRAST IN THE GENERAL ELECTION
% COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR, AND
% MANDELA BARNES IS SOMEONE
% FOCUSED ON THE PEOPLE OF HIS
% DISTRICT.
% WHEN HE USED TO BE IN THE STATE
% LEGISLATURE, AND NOW ALL OF THE
% PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF WISCONSIN
% AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.
% >> SO AS TO THE RESPECT FOR WHAT
% WE INVITED YOU ON TO TALK ABOUT,
% WHY IS THIS BILL NEEDED NOW?
% >> WELL, IN THE WAKE OF THE
% SUPREME COURT OVERTURNING ROE V.
% WADE, IT HAS IM IMPLICATED A NUR
% OF OTHER CASES THAT THE COURT
% HAS DECIDED ON SIMILAR GROUNDS.
% WHETHER THAT'S ACCESS TO
% CONTRACEPTION OR SAME-SEX
% MARRIAGE OR INTERRACIAL
% MARRIAGE, ALL WERE BASED IN PART
% ON CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO
% PRIVACY, WHICH THE MAJORITY SAYS
% DOES NOT EXIST, AND SO PEOPLE
% NEED CERTAINTY.
% THIS IS A GREAT TIME OF FEAR AND
% ANXIETY, BUT WHETHER SAME-SEX
% COUPLES' MARRIAGE LICENSE WILL%
BE VALID, AND THE RIGHTS AND
% RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH
% MARRIAGE ARE CRITICALLY
% IMPORTANT FOR ONE'S FAMILY, AND
% SO THE RESPECT FOR MARRIAGE ACT
% WOULD CODIFY THE OBERGEFELL AND
% GRISWOLD V. CONNECTICUT
% DECISION, AND PEOPLE COULD REST
% ASSURED THEIR MARRIAGE
% CERTIFICATE IS VALID.
% >> NOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED
% TEN REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO VOTE
% YES.
% WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT COUNT?
% >> THERE ARE FIVE REPUBLICANS
% WHO HAVE PUBLICLY STATED THAT
% THEY WILL SUPPORT THE RESPECT
% FOR MARRIAGE ACT, AND I HAVE
% SPOKEN WITH A ADDITIONAL MANY, T
% FIVE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS HAVE
% INDICATED THEY ARE LEANING IN
% SUPPORT, BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF
% HOW CROWDED THE CALENDAR IS FOR
% NEXT WEEK, WHICH IS OUR LAST
% WEEK BEFORE THE AUGUST RECESS,
% AND IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE
% CAN'T HAVE ANY ABSENCES, WE NEED
% EVERYBODY THERE, AND WE HAVE A
% FEW MEMBERS WITH COVID, THIS IS
% PROBABLY GOING TO BE A VOTE THAT
% OCCURS, WHAT I WOULD HOPE, IS
% EARLY SEPTEMBER.
% >> SO ON THE VOTE, THOUGH, THE
% LATEST GALLOP POLL ON THE MATTER
% SHOWS 70% OF THE PUBLIC SUPPORT
% SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, INCLUDING 55%
% OF REPUBLICANS.
% IS THERE A DISCONNECT FOR
% ELECTED OFFICIALS AS SO WHY, YOU
% KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THESE
% OTHER FIVE?
% >> THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED
% STATES, SADLY, HAS OFTEN
% FOLLOWED PUBLIC OPINION RATHER
% THAN LED PUBLIC OPINION, AND I
% AM STILL VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE
% WILL HAVE -- IN FACT, I BELIEVE
% WE DO HAVE THE TEN VOTES
% NECESSARY TO AVOID A FILIBUSTER,
% BUT, YEAH, IT IS SOMETHING WHERE
% I HAVE -- IN THE ARENA OF CIVIL
% RIGHTS, THE U.S. PUBLIC IS OFTEN
% AHEAD OF THEIR ELECTED
% REPRESENTATIVES, AND THAT'S TOO
% BAD.
% THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, SADLY, A
% VERY STRONG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
% THE PARTIES.
% EVERY DEMOCRAT IN THE U.S.
% SENATE SUPPORTS THE RESPECT FOR
% MARRIAGE ACT, AND I DON'T THINK
% THIS SHOULD BE AN ISSUE FROM A
% PARTISAN DIVIDE, BUT IT SEEMS IT
% STILL IS.
% >> THERE IS SENATOR RON JOHNSON,
% ARGUABLY, ONE OF THE MOST
% CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS, SAID HE,
% QUOTE, HAD NO REASON TO OPPOSE
% THE MEASURE, BUT THEN HE CAME
% BACK ACCUSING DEMOCRATS OF
% CREATING A STATE OF FEAR OVER AN
% ISSUE TO FURTHER DIVIDE
% AMERICANS FOR POLITICAL BENEFIT.
% HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT?
% >> WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE HIM
% AT HIS WORD WHEN HE SAID THAT HE
% HAS NO REASON TO OPPOSE IT, AND
% I WOULD VIEW THAT AS THAT HE
% WOULD SUPPORT IT, BUT I THINK
% THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING VERY
% HARD NOT TO POLITICIZE THIS AND
% TO RESPOND, AGAIN, TO THE FACT
% THAT THE SUPREME COURT
% OVERTURNED ROE VERSUS WADE,
% PRESIDPRECEDENT OF 499 YEARS ANR
% REASONING LEADS PEOPLE TO
% LEGITIMATELY FEAR THAT THE
% SUPREME COURT WOULD LATER
% OVERTURN CASES INVOLVING ACCESS
% TO CONTRACEPTION AND CASES LIKE
% THAT DEAL WITH INTERRACIAL
% MARRIAGE AND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
% >> YOUR CALL FOR THE BILL COMES
% AS A RESULT OF THAT CLARENCE
% THOMAS CONCURRING THE OPINION IN
% RAISING THE ISSUE OF REVERSING
% ROE, BUT ON THAT, AS YOU KNOW,
% REVERTS BACK TO THE 1849 LAW
% WITH NO EXCEPTION FOR RAPE OR%
INCEST.
% WHAT DO YOU THINK OUR STATE
% LEGISLATURE SHOULD DO ON THIS?
% WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE?
% >> WELL, I THINK THAT THEY
% CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT SEND WOMEN
% BACK TO THE MID-1800s WHERE,
% AT A TIME WHEN WOMEN DID NOT
% EVEN HAVE A VOTE.
% IT IS UN-- IT'S HARD TO PUT
% WORDS -- INTO WORDS HOW CHAOTIC
% THIS CASE HAS MADE THINGS IN
% TERMS OF WOMEN BEING ABLE TO
% ACCESS THE HEALTHCARE THEY NEED
% AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BODILY
% AUTONOMY AND CHOOSE WHEN AND%
WHETHER TO HAVE A FAMILY.
% THE FACT THAT WISCONSIN WOMEN
% HAVE A FEWER FREEDOMS THAN THEIR
% MOTHERS AND GRANDMOTHERS IS JUST
% HARD TO WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND.
% I THINK THE STATE LEGISLATURE
% NEEDS TO APPEAL THAT 1849 LAW,
% AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD
% CODIFY A STATE VERSION OF
% SOMETHING SIMILAR TO ROE VERSUS
% WADE.%>> WE NEED TO LEAVE IT
THERE.
% SENATOR TAMMY BALDWIN, THANK YOU
% VERY MUCH.
% >> THANK YOU.
% ♪
% >>> THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE
% DON'T FEEL THAT THE ELECTION WAS
% CERTIFIABLE, THEREFORE, THE
% REQUEST TO DECERTIFY IS ON THE
% TABLE, AND IT SHOULDN'T TAKE AN
% ACTION.%>> SO REPUBLICAN CAN
DIDATE FOR
% GOVERNOR AND STATE
% REPRESENTATIVE, TIM RAMTHUN,%
CONTINUES TO CALL ON THE
% LEGISLATURE TO DECERTIFY THE
% 2020 ELECTION.
% NOW, THAT IS REGARDED AS A LEGAL
% IMPOSSIBILITY, BUT THE FALLOUT
% FROM THE LAST ELECTION CONTINUES
% TO ROYAL WISCONSIN AND IN ALL
% THE WAYS WE KNOW.
% THE GABLEMAN INVESTIGATION,
% STATE SUPREME COURT RULINGS ON
% DROP BOXES AND CALLS TO ABOLISH
% THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION, AND
% NOW THERE'S MORE THAT PROMPTED
% AND EMERGENCY MEETING OF
% COMMISSIONERS THURSDAY NIGHT.
% SOMEONE AT THE EPICENTER OF
% THIS, FORMER CHAIR OF THE
% WISCONSIN ELECTIONS COMMISSION
% AND DEMOCRAT, ANN JACOBS.
% THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
% HERE.
% >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
% ME.
% >> SO WHAT CAME TO LIGHT THIS
% WEEK IS THE TWO PEOPLE TRYING TO
% PROVE ELECTION FRAUD
% VULNERABILITIES ADMITTED TO
% COMMITTING FRAUD BY REQUESTING
% ABSENTEE BALLOTS IN OTHER
% PEOPLE'S NAMES INCLUDING ROBIN
% VOS.
% AS AN ELECTION COMMISSIONER,
% WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?
% >> I'M ASTONISHED AT THE FACT
% THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT AND
% INTENTIONALLY COMMITTING%ELEC
TION CRIMES AND PRETENDING
% THEY ARE DOING IT TO SOMEHOW
% PROVE FRAUD IN AN ELECTION.
% WHAT THEY DID BROKE THE LAW, AND
% THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
% >> AND SO I KNOW THAT THE
% ELECTIONS COMMISSION VOTED TO
% PUT OUT FLIERS AHEAD OF THE
% PRIMARY, KIND OF WARNING CLERKS
% AND OTHERS ABOUT THIS.
% WHAT MORE SPECIFICALLY DO YOU
% WANT, AND HOW SOON?
% >> WELL, WHAT WE WANT IS PEOPLE
% TO STOP DOING THIS, AND WE THINK
% LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD STOP
% ENCOURAGING IT.
% WHAT WE DID INDICATE WAS WE
% WOULD SEND POSTCARDS TO PEOPLE
% WHO HAD THEIR ABSENTEE BALLOTS
% SENT TO AN ADDRESS OTHER THAN
% THE HOME ADDRESS, HOME
% REGISTRATION ADDRESS, TO ENSURE
% THERE'S NOT THIS MONKEY BUSINESS
% GOING AROUND ELSEWHERE.
% WE ALSO DID NOTIFY CLERKS THAT
% THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO REFER
% CASES OF FRAUD, WHICH WOULD
% INCLUDE CASES LIKE WHAT WE ARE
% DISCUSSING, TO THEIR LOCAL
% DISTRICT ATTORNEY IF THEY FIND
% IT, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS
% ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE THE MY
% VOTE WEBSITE TO CHECK THEIR OWN
% ABSENTEE BALLOT STATUS.
% >> GREAT.
% WHAT DO YOU THINK OF CALLS FROM
% TIM RAMTHUN AND DONALD TRUMP TO
% DECERTIFY THE 2020 ELECTION IN
% WISCONSIN?%>> ELECTIONS ARE N
OT ABOUT
% FEELINGS.
% ELECTIONS ARE ABOUT NUMBERS.
% IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN, WE
% HAD AN ACCURATE, PROPERLY
% TALLIED RECOUNTED ELECTION WHERE
% DONALD TRUMP LOST BY 20,000
% VOTES.
% IN COMPARISON, IN 2016, WE HAD
% AN ACCURATELY TALLIED, RECOUNTED
% VOTE WHERE DONALD TRUMP WON BY
% 20,000 VOTES.
% SAME ELECTION ADMINISTRATION.
% SAME ELECTION OFFICIALS.
% SAME RULES.
% SOMETIMES VOTERS CHANGE THEIR
% MINDS.
% TELLING PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE FEEL
% THE ELECTION WASN'T FAIR AND
% ACCURATE SIMPLY REINFORCES THE
% INCORRECT POSITION OUR ELECTIONS
% WAS ANYTHING BUT ACCURATE.
% >> FALSE PUBLIC ELECTORS LIKE
% ONE OF YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS
% ARE ON THE RADAR OF FEDERAL
% INVESTIGATORS.
% WHY DID THE COMMISSION, THOUGH,
% UNANIMOUSLY VOTE NOT TO SANCTION
% THEM?
% >> THE DECISION OF THE
% COMMISSION, I THINK, IS BEST
% ARTICULATED IN THE MEMO GIVEN BY
% THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THAT
% WAS INCORPORATED INTO OUR
% DECISION, AND IT WAS ON THAT
% BASIS THAT THE COMMISSION MADE
% THAT DECISION.
% NOW, RECALL THAT THE COMMISSION
% DID THAT WITH COMMISSIONER
% SITTING IN ON IT, AND SINCE THE
% LAWSUIT WAS FILED, HE'S NOW
% AGREED TO RESCUE HIMSELF FROM
% FUTURE DISCUSSING OF IT, AND
% THERE'S NOW AN ACTION IN CIRCUIT
% COURT TO RETURN THE
% INVESTIGATION TO THE COMMISSION
% FOR FURTHER EVALUATION.
% WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS A
% LOT OF THE RECENT INFORMATION WE
% RECEIVE ON THE FALSE ELECTORS
% CAME OUT AFTER THE COMMISSION'S
% DECISION.%>> THERE HAVE BEEN
CALLS TO
% ABOLISH THE ELECTIONS
% COMMISSION.%WHAT'S YOUR RESP
ONSE TO THAT?
% >> WELL, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT
% THE WISCONSIN LEGISLATURE DOES
% EVERY TIME SOMEONE THEY DON'T
% LIKE WINS.
% WE STARTED OUT WITH THE
% SECRETARY OF STATE, AND THEY DID
% NOT LIKE HOW THAT PERSON HAD THE
% ELECTION, SO THEY CREATED A
% STATE ELECTION BOARD.
% THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT, SO THEY
% CREATED THE GOVERNMENT
% ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD.%THEY D
IDN'T LIKE HOW THE
% GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD%
WORKED SO THEY CREATED THE
% ELECTIONS COMMISSION, AND NOW
% THAT THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION,
% WHICH REQUIRES BIPARTISAN
% APPROVAL OF ALL OF ITS ACTIONS,
% NOW THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THE
% ELECTIONS COMMISSION BECAUSE%
DONALD TRUMP LOST, THEY WANT TO% GO
BACK TO A SECRETARY OF STATE.
% >> HOW CAN I GET TO THIS WITH A
% MINUTE LEFT?
% WHAT EFFECT, IN YOUR MIND, DOES
% ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THIS TALK OF
% DECERTIFY CASES OF ELECTIONS,
% AND LAW CHANGES HAVE ON THE
% AVERAGE VOTER AND THE CLERKS?
% >> WELL, ON THE CLERKS, IT'S
% MADE THEM -- THEY HAVE BEEN
% ACCUSED OF MALFEASANCE AND
% PHYSICAL AND VERBAL THREATS MADE
% AGAINST THEM.
% THAT NEEDS TO STOP.
% FOR THE AVERAGE VOTER, GO VOTE.
% YOUR VOTE WILL COUNT.
% THE VOTE IS ACCURATE.
% IT IS SAFE.
% WE WANT YOU TO GET OUT THERE AND
% VOTE.
% WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP IN
% AUGUST.%ANOTHER ONE IN NOVEM
BER.
% LET'S GO VOTE.
% >> ALL RIGHT.
% ANN JACOBS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
% FOR JOINING US.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >>> THE AUGUST 9 PRIMARY
% ELECTION QUICKLY APPROACHES, AND
% TWO G.O.P. CANDIDATES ARE VYING
% TO BE THE NOMINEE TO TAKE ON
% DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT ATTORNEY
% GENERAL, JOSH KAUL.
% ZAC SCHULTZ HAS THIS STORY ON
% THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.
% >> THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY
% GENERAL IS FREQUENTLY REFERRED
% TO AS WISCONSIN'S TOP COP.
% THE REPUBLICAN ERIC TONEY SAYS
% HIS TEN YEARS AS FOND-A-LAC
% PREPARED HIM FOR THE ROLE AND
% DECIDED TO RUN AFTER THE BLAKE
% SHOOTING IN AUGUST OF 2020 LED
% TO RIOTS IN KENOSHA.
% HE SAID JOSH KAU WILL NOT
% PUBLICLY SUPPORT THE POLICE
% OFFICER WHO SHOT BLAKE.
% >> AND TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY
% GENERAL THAT'S NOT STANDING WITH
% OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, I COULD NOT
% SIT BACK AND WATCH THAT
% CONTINUE, AND THAT'S WHAT GOT ME
% ULTIMATELY IN THE RACE FOR
% ATTORNEY GENERAL.
% >> IT WAS TONEY'S CANDIDACY THAT
% GOT HIM IN THE RACE.
% >> I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE IN THE
% RACE WITH THE EXPERIENCE TO
% IMMEDIATELY DAY ONE WALK INTO
% THE OFFICE AND BE ABLE TO HANDLE
% EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ISSUES
% THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE AG.
% >> JARCHOW WAS IN THE STATE
% ASSEMBLY, BUT OUT OF OFFICE IN
% 2021 WHEN HE SAID A CONSERVATIVE
% CANDIDATE NEEDED TO CHALLENGE
% TONEY.%>> A ROBUST PRIMARY WH
ERE
% CANDIDATES ARE VETTED IS
% INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, AND ADD TO
% THAT THAT MY PRIMARY OPPONENT,
% ERIC TONEY, HELPED ENFORCE
% EVERS' ILLEGAL LOCKDOWN
% MEASURES.%>> HE SAID HE NEVE
R ACTUALLY
% PROSECUTORRED ANYONE FOR NOT
% OBEYING LOCKDOWN ORDERS IN THE%
FIRST DAYS OF THE COVID-19
% PANDEMIC.%>> MY OPPONENT ATT
ACKED ME
% RELENTLESSLY FOR COVID WHERE MY
% JOB IS TO FOLLOW THE RULE OF
% LAW.
% WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
% SUPPORTING THOSE SAFE AT HOME
% EFFORTS IN THE FIRST 13 # 139 1E
% USED DISCRETION TO DISMISS THEM
% BAS IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO
% DO, AND WHEN THE LEGAL EXTENDED
% ORDER CAME HOME IN APRIL, WE DID
% NOT ENFORCE IT HERE.
% >> TONEY SAID IT'S HIS
% EXPERIENCE AS DISTRICT ATTORNEY
% THAT SETS HIM APART CONSIDERING
% NEARLY EVERY ATTORNEY GENERAL IN
% STATE HISTORY HAS PROSECUTION
% EXPERIENCE.%>> VOTERS LOOK A
T THE TOP COP,
% AN THEY WANT SOMEONE THAT HAS
% THAT EXPERIENCE PROSECUTING
% BEING IN THE TRENCHES WITH THE%
LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND I'M THE
% ONLY CANDIDATE THAT'S ACTUALLY
% DONE THAT.
% >> THE THIRD CANDIDATE IN THE
% PRIMARY IS REPUBLICAN KAREN
% MILLER, AN ATTORNEY FROM CHIPP,
% WA FALLS, BUT SHE DID NOT
% RESPOND TO REQUEST FOR INTERSLEW
% VIEW.
% JARCHOW SAYS TIMES ARE CHANGING.
% >> AS WE LOOK AT THE WAY THE
% ROLES OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
% EXPANDED ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY,
% WE SEE A FEWER AND A FEWER
% PROSECUTORS ELECTED TO THE
% OFFICE.%THAT WAS KIND OF THE
OLD MODEL.
% THE NEW MODEL IS PEOPLE FROM THE
% PRIVATE SECTOR OR WHO HAVE
% LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE%
SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU DO AS
% ATTORNEY GENERAL IS MANAGE A
% HUGE AGENCY.
% >> THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS BEEN
% A PARTISAN OFFICE, BUT WISCONSIN
% VOTERS HAVE PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR
% A GOVERNOR OF ONE PARTY AND AG
% OF THE OTHER.
% BUT IN THE LAST DECADE, AGs
% ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE BECOME
% MORE ACTIVE, CHALLENGING STATE
% AND FEDERAL LAWS, ACTING IN
% CONCERT WITH THE POLITICAL
% PARTIES.
% >> IT IS INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT
% BECAUSE IT'S AN ERA OF UNCHECKED
% POWER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
% AND OUR OWN BUREAUCRACY HERE IN
% THE STATE OF WISCONSIN, AND SO
% YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE
% ROLE OF THE AG CAN BE TORAN IN
% THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
% >> TONEY SAID THERE'S LIMITS TO
% PARTISANSHIP IN OFFICE.
% >> I FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW, AND
% THE RULE OF LAW IS NOT ALWAYS
% POPULAR.
% >> POINTING TO THE DEBATE AMONG
% REPUBLICAN VOTERS ABOUT THE
% VALIDITY OF THE 2020
% PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.%>> WE
HAVE NOT SEEN ANY COURT IN
% WISCONSIN MAKE A DETERMINATION
% OF FRAUD TO SOME LEVEL THAT
% COULD HAVE HAD AN IMPACT ON THE
% 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION HERE
% IN WISCONSIN.
% >> THERE WAS NO WIDESPREAD FRAUD
% THAT IMPACTED THE OUTCOME OF THE
% ELECTION, BUT DONALD TRUMP'S
% CONSPIRACY THEORIES HAVE MANY
% REPUBLICANS CONVINCED THE
% ELECTION CAN BE OVERTURNED.
% >> WE CANNOT DECERTIFY THE
% ELECTION.
% THERE IS NO WAY TO DO IT.
% I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALL
% ACROSS WISCONSIN.
% I HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.
% I HAVE THIS DIALOGUE.
% THAT'S WHERE THE REPUBLICAN
% PARTY IS AT.
% THAT'S WHY I RECEIVED THE
% OVERWHELMING ENDORSEMENT VOTE IN
% THE STATE CONVENTION BECAUSE I'M
% WILLING TO BE UP FRONT AND TELL
% PEOPLE THE TRUTH, NOT JUST WHEN
% IT IS POPULAR.
% >> JARCHOW SAYS THE KEY TO
% CONVINCING REPUBLICAN VOTERS
% THAT IT WAS FAIR IS TO ELECT
% REPUBLICANS.%>> IF WE SECURE
THE ELECTIONS,
% WHICH I BELIEVE WE DO WITH A ROM
% GOVERNOR AND AG, THAT RESTORES
% THE FAITH.
% >> THEY WILL FACE JOSH KAUL AND
% VOTER HAVE TO CONSIDER
% ELECTABILITY.
% IN 2018, JARCHOW LOST A SEAT
% THAT HAD NOT VOTED DEMOCRAT IN
% DECADES, BUT FLIPPED BACK TO
% REPUBLICAN IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
% >> IF YOU DON'T WIN THAT SEAT,
% YOU DON'T WIN WISCONSIN.
% THE COUNTY VOTED TO SUPPORT ME,
% THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM BEST
% REJECTED HIM.
% >> HE SAYS THE SPECIAL ELECTION
% WAS A FLUKE IN A STRONG YEAR FOR
% DEMOCRATS.
% THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE EXPECTS
% FOR 2022.
% >> THEIR BASE TURNED OUT, AND
% OURS DID NOT IN A LOW TURNOUT
% SPECIAL ELECTION.
% I DON'T THINK THAT'S INDICATIVE
% AT ALL OF, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF
% CANDIDATE THAT I'VE HISTORICALLY
% BEEN, WINNING ASSEMBLY SEAT BY
% WIDE MARGINS, AND NOT INDICATIVE
% HOW WE THUMP JOSH KAUL.
% >> REPORTING IN MADISON, I'M ZAC
% SCHULTZ FOR "HERE & NOW." >>> A
% MONTH INTO THE U.S. SUPREME
% COURT DECISION ELIMINATING THE
% RIGHT TO LEGAL ABORTION, DOCTORS
% AND PATIENTS ARE FINDING
% THEMSELVES IN DESPERATE
% SITUATIONS, PARTICULARLY
% EMERGENCY ROOM DOCTORS UNSURE
% WHEN OR IF THEY CAN INTERVENE
% WITH A MEDICALLY NECESSARY
% ABORTION TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE
% MOTHER.
% MARISA WOJCIK SAT DOWN WITH
% MILWAUKEE BASED EMERGENCY%PH
YSICIAN AND A FELLOW OF THE
% AMERICAN COLLEGE OF EMERGENCY
% PHYSICIANS, DR. CHRISTOPHER
% FORD, FOR MORE.
% >> HOW HAS THE DECISION TO LIMIT
% ACCESS TO LEGAL ABORTION
% IMPACTED EMERGENCY PHYSICIANS?%
>> YEAH.
% SO WHAT WE ARE BRACING FOR, MORE
% SO, IS AN INFLUX OF PATIENTS WHO
% WILL, UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE
% ADVERSARY PRECUSHIONS BASED ON
% THE LIMITATION AND ACCESS TO
% SAFE AND MEDICALLY SAFE
% ABORTIONS.
% >> AND WHEN SOMEONE FIRST COMES
% TO THE ER, WHETHER THEY KNOW IT
% OR NOT, THEY ARE PREGNANT, WHAT
% ARE SOME OF THE SERIOUS
% CONDITIONS THAT YOU ENCOUNTER?
% >> YEAH.
% SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY WILL SEE
% REGULARLY ARE COMPLICATIONS
% RELATING TO BLOOD -- BLEEDING,
% AND COMPLICATIONS CAN BE
% DEVASTATING AND DEADLY TOO.
% >> CAN YOU GIVE EXAMPLES?
% >> YEAH.
% SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE
% SEE -- NOT COMMONLY, BUT WE WILL
% SEE IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT
% EVERY NOW AND THEN IS A
% CONDITION CALLED A RUPTURED
% ECTOPIC PREGNANCY.
% THIS IS A CONDITION WHERE THE
% PREGNANCY IS NOT IN THE UTERUS,
% BUT RATHER IN THE OUTSIDE AREA
% OF THE UTERUS, AND SO ONE OF THE
% CONSIDERATIONS FOR EBBING
% PREGNANCY AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO
% UNDERSTAND IS THE PREGNANCY IS
% NOT VIABLE.%RIGHT NOW, IN ME
DICINE, WE DO
% NOT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY OR THE
% CAPABILITIES OF RESEEDING THAT
% PREGNANCY IN THE UTERUS, AND SO
% REGULARLY, TYPICAL STANDARD OF
% CARE, THESE ARE PATIENTS THAT
% WOULD GO INTO THE OPERATING ROOM
% WITH THE PARTNERS FROM THE
% GYNECOLOGY DIVISION TO HAVE
% ESSENTIALLY AN ABORTION OF THAT
% PREGNANCY IN ORDER TO SAVE THE
% LIFE OF THE MOTHER.
% SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT
% TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN BECAUSE,
% AGAIN, THESE ARE LIFE-SAVING
% THERAPIES, BUT ALSO, FOR PEOPLE
% TO BE AWARE, WHO ARE PROVIDERS,
% THAT THIS IS STILL SOMETHING WE
% A OBLIGATED TO PERFORM.
% >> AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS
% STANDARD, DO YOU THINK, FOR
% EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIANS ACROSS
% THE STATE?
% >> MY CONCERN IS THAT AT THIS
% POINT IN TIME IS WHAT IS GOING
% TO HAPPEN TO, YOU KNOW, THE
% RULE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE IS
% WORKING AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING,
% AND YOU HAVE THIS RUPTURED
% EBBING PREGNANCY THAT COMES IN?
% WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS
% WE DON'T WANT THAT PHYSICIAN TO
% BE ON THE PHONE WITH THE LAWYER
% TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT'S THE
% RIGHT THING AND WHAT'S WRONG,
% AND WHAT COULD THE POTENTIAL
% REPERCUSSIONS BE LEGALLY AND
% PROFESSIONALLY IF SHE DOES WHAT
% SHE KNOWS IS RIGHT FOR THE
% PATIENT AND WHAT CAN BE LIFE
% SAVING FOR THE PATIENT.
% >> HAS THAT HAPPENED?
% >> YEAH.
% SO I HAVE READ MULTIPLE REPORTS
% IN THIS POINT IN TIME BY ER DOCS
% AND GYNECOLOGISTS ALREADY IN THE
% STATE AND SOME OUTSIDE THE STATE
% AS WELL WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE
% PHONE WITH LAWYERS FOR A NUMBER
% OF HOURS IN ORDER TO, AGAIN, TRY
% TO NEGOTIATE WHAT IS GOING TO BE
% THE BEST WAY TO CARE FOR THESE
% PATIENTS, AND, AGAIN, WHAT
% RAMIFICATIONS COULD BE FELT BY
% THAT PROVIDER, YOU KNOW, SHOULD
% THEY GO AHEAD WITH THE THERAPY
% THEY DID, YOU KNOW, JUST MONTHS
% AGO, AND WHAT IS THE TYPICAL
% STANDARD OF CARE FOR THESE
% PATIENTS SO IT IS A SITUATION
% NOW THAT'S VERY SCARY TO BE A
% PROVIDER AND ALSO DETRIMENT TO
% THE PATIENTS WE ARE TREATING.
% >> AND THAT'S FOR AN EBBING
% PREGNANCY, WHICH IS CONSIDERED
% TO BE MORE OBVIOUS, I GUESS, BUT
% THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER
% CONDITIONS THAT ARE MUCH LESS
% CLEAR FOR PHYSICIANS.
% IS THERE ANY SORT OF GUIDANCE
% THAT PEOPLE CAN GO TO THAT THEY
% CAN MAKE A QUICK DECISION?
% >> YEAH.
% ONE OF THE POLICY STATEMENTS WAS
% PERFORMED BY THE CENTERS OF
% MEDICARE AND MEDICAID.
% IT WAS MOST RECENTLY UPDATED IN
% LATE 2021 IN WHICH THEY LEANED
% ON THE FACT THAT WE ARE COVERED
% AS PROVIDERS, BOTH IN THE
% EMERGENCY SETTING AS WELL AS IN
% THE OB SETTING TO DO THE BEST
% THING FOR THE PATIENT IN THE
% MOMENT IN ORDER TO PREVENT
% MORBIDITY OR MORTALITY OR RISK
% OR DEATH OR BAD OUTCOMES.
% >> AND YET, WE ARE STILL HEARING
% STORIES OF MOTHERS THAT ARE
% INFECTED OR BLEEDING FOR MANY
% DAYS.
% HAVE YOU SEEN OR HEARD OF ANY
% COMPLICATIONS WITH MISCARRIAGES?
% >> THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE
% SITUATION IN WHERE WE HAVE
% PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE
% PHONES FOR A NUMBER OF HOURS NOW
% IN ORDER TO TRY TO DETERMINE IF
% THEY CAN GIVE THAT MEDICATION,
% YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE
% LIABILITY BASED ON THAT, YOU
% KNOW, IN A STATE MUCH LIKE OUR
% OWN WHERE THAT MAY NOT BE LEGAL,
% AND SO, FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE
% CLEAR GUIDELINES FROM A FEDERAL
% STANDPOINT, HOWEVER, THE
% STATEWIDE STANDPOINT IS MORE OF
% A GRAY AREA.
% THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF MEDICINE
% IS TO DO NO HARM.
% WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT
% OUR PATIENTS AND CONTINUE TO DO
% WHAT'S SAFE FOR THEM.
% >> ALL RIGHT, DR. CHRIS FORD,
% THANK VERY MUCH.%>> THANK YOU
SO MUCH.
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% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
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