THE MINDSET OF MANY TRUMP
SUPPORTERS THAT INDEED HE WON
THE ELECTION BECAUSE OF ELECTION
FRAUD IN PLACES LIKE WISCONSIN,
ROYALS, DEMOCRATS AS FALSELY
UNDERMINING FAITH IN ELECTIONS
AND AS AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY.
THOSE INCLUDE GOVERNOR TONY
EVERS WHO, IN AN INTERVIEW WITH
ZAC SCHULTZ, CRITICIZED
REPUBLICANS FOR CONTINUING
INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE 2020
ELECTION, CALLING IT A CLOWN
SHOW.
>> IT'S A SELF FULFILLING
PROPH
PROPHECY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE
SAYING, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SYSTEM
BROKEN OR NOT?
SO I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE
LEADERSHIP AND THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY HAS DECIDED TO TAKE THIS
TACTIC BECAUSE IT'S SELF
FULFILLING AND FOR THEM TO SAY
AS MORE PEOPLE DON'T TRUST THE
SYSTEM, HE'S TOLD THEM THAT.
HE'S TOLD THEM THAT WITH NO
DATA.
HE'S TOLD THEM THAT WITH FRANKLY
LIES.
AND SO IT'S A CLOWN SHOW,
FRANKLY, THAT NEEDS TO END.
WE HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM, IT'S
SECURE AND WE WILL -- I WILL
MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL DO WHATEVER
WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE
OF WISCONSIN CAN FEEL
COMFORTABLE THAT THE SYSTEM
WORKS AND FRANKLY, ENCOURAGE
PEOPLE TO VOTE INSTEAD OF
DISCOURAGING PEOPLE TO VOTE.
>> DEMOCRATS ACROSS COUNTRY ARE
ACCUSING REPUBLICANS OF ACCUSING
DEMOCRACY ITSELF.
DO YOU THINK REPUBLICANS IN
WISCONSIN ARE ATTACKING THE
DEMOCRATIC PROCESS?
>> OF COURSE THEY ARE.
VOTING IS THE MOST TRUE PART OF
DEMOCRACY, WHETHER IT'S
WISCONSIN OR THE COUNTRY.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE
SPEWING LIES AND MISTRUTHS AND
FULFILLING THEIR OWN PROPHECY
THAT THINGS AREN'T RIGHT, THAT
IS AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY.
>> FOR HIS REACTION, REPUBLICAN
SPEAKER ROBIN VOS SAT DOWN WITH
SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER ZAC
SCHULTZ AND HE STARTED BY ASKING
THE SPEAKER HIS RESPONSE TO THE
GOVERNOR'S CLOWN SHOW CLAIMS.
>> I THINK GOVERNOR TONY EVERS
IS OBVIOUSLY IN CAMPAIGN MODE.
HE'S FOCUSED ON MORE HYPERBOLE
THAN FACT.
WE KNOW CLEARLY A MAJORITY OF
WISCONSINITES, ACCORDING TO
OLDER POLLING BUT I'LL STILL
BELIEVE IT'S TRUE, A MAJORITY OF
REPUBLICANS AND HUGE NUMBER OF
INDEPENDENTS BELIEVE THERE'S A
PROBLEM WITH THE 2020 ELECTION.
I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER THAT JOE
BIDEN IS THE PRESIDENT.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT OVERTURNING
THE ELECTION OR RUINING
DEMOCRACY BUT IT IS ABOUT MAKING
SURE WE HAVE FAITH IN THE
RESULTS, WHOEVER WINS, WHOEVER
LOSES.
AND I THINK WE CLEARLY KNOW, NOW
WE'VE HAD THE LEGISLATIVE AUDIT
BUREAU, INVESTIGATION BY WILL
AND THE FINAL INVESTIGATION
BEING DONE BY JUSTICE GABLEMAN.
ALL ARE GOING TO SHOW WE HAD
ISSUES.
FIRST TWO CLEARLY DID.
I'M CERTAIN THE LAST ONE WILL AS
WELL.
FOR GOVERNOR TONY EVERS TO IMPLY
THE WELL RESPECTED, NON PARTISAN
BUREAU WAS ATTACKING DEMOCRACY
AND ON A WITCH HUNT, THAT'S NOT
ACCURATE, MUCH LESS IT'S JUST A
BOLD FACED LIE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AND
SAY, LET'S FOCUS ON THE FACTS,
NOT ON HYPERBOLE.
WE KNOW THERE WERE PROBLEMS.
WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE THINGS
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE
DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK HISTORY IS GOING TO
JUDGE THAT THINGS WERE NOT DONE
CORRECTLY IN 2020 AND ALL WE CAN
DO IS TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER.
>> WITH THE GABLEMAN
INVESTIGATION, THERE HAVE BEEN
SOME PROCESS ERRORS, SOME ERRORS
THAT SEEM LIKE THEY SHOULD BE
HAPPENING WITH AN INVESTIGATION
THAT'S WELL FUNDED, THIS WELL
PURPOSED.
WE'VE HAD CRITICISM FROM BOTH
REPUBLICANS, OBVIOUSLY
DEMOCRATS, IN THE END, DO YOU
THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
CONVINCE THE PUBLIC WITH THE
RESULTS OF THAT INVESTIGATION?
>> WELL, THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL
LOT OF MONEY SPENT BY LIBERALS
TO TRY TO DISCREDIT THE
INVESTIGATION.
YOU'RE RIGHT, NOT EVERYTHING
GOES PERFECT.
WE HAVE HUMANS, THEY'RE DOING
THEIR VERY BEST BUT I THINK WHEN
YOU HAVE GROUPS COMING IN AND
ATTACKING FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING, GOING AFTER THE
LEGISLATIVE AUDIT BUREAU, A WELL
RESPECTED INSTITUTION IN THE
STATE CAPITOL AS ANY, TO TRY TO
DISCREDIT THEM, IT'S NO SURPRISE
THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT
ALL THE WAY UNTIL THE END.
WE NOW KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN
LAWSUITS FILED, PEOPLE HAVE
TRIED TO SAY THE LEGISLATURE
DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO ISSUE
SUBPOENAS.
OF COURSE WE DO.
IT'S A POWER WE'VE HAD SINCE
STATEHOOD.
THESE BASIC IDEAS BEING ARGUED
IN COURT, IF YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD
ME THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL IDEA
THAT WE DIDN'T ISSUE SUBPOENAS,
WE WOULD BE IN COURT, I WOULD
THINK YOU'RE CRAZY.
NOW WE HAVE GROUPS ON THE
LIBERAL SIDE TRYING TO UPSET
WHAT'S BEEN STANDARD IN
WISCONSIN.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE DONE BY
THE END OF THE YEAR BUT THEEN
THROWN UP EVERY POSSIBLE ROAD
BLOCK THEY COULD TO TRY TO STOP
WHAT SHOULD BE A SIMPLE, EASY,
WELL UNDERSTOOD IDEA WHICH IS AT
THE END, LET'S SEE WHAT WAS DONE
RIGHT, WHAT WAS DONE WRONG AND
THEN TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT
THINGS THAT WERE DONE WRONG ARE
CREDITED.
>> YOU'VE ACCOUNT THAT JOE BIDEN
IS LEGITIMATELY THE PRESIDENT
BUT THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE
CAUCUS AND THE PUBLIC THAT DON'T
BELIEVE THAT, THEY AREN'T
CONVINCED.
IT'S BEEN SHOWN THEY HAVE BEEN
LIED TO BOTH BY REPUBLICANS AND
BY OPERATIVES AND BY CON MEN AND
OTHER PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE A
BUCK ON THEM.
SO AT WHAT POINT IS IT UP TO
LEGISLATORS TO MAKE MORE OF A
SAY, NO, THIS IS LEGITIMATE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MINOR PROCESS
ISSUES IN WISCONSIN ELECTIONS
OPPOSED TO OVERTHROWING IT WHICH
SOME OF YOUR OWN MEMBERS HAVE
INTRODUCED BILLS THAT WOULD
CHANGE SOME OF THE OUTCOMES IN
FUTURE ELECTIONS.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE WERE
MINOR PROCESS ISSUES.
LET'S START WITH THAT.
WE HAVE A SINGLE MEMBER WHO HAS
SAID WE SHOULD DECERTIFY THE
ELECTION SO LET'S NOT CAST A
WIDE NET THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE OVERTURNING THE ELECTION
BECAUSE THERE'S ONE.
I DON'T SPEAK FOR EVERY SINGLE
REPUBLICAN IN THE STATE NOR IN
THE STATE LEGISLATURE BUT I KNOW
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE
I SPEAK WITH UNDERSTAND THAT
THIS IS FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE.
IT'S NOT FOCUSED ON THE PAST.
DO I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD
ALLOW OUT OF STATE BILLIONAIRES
TO COME IN AND COMINGLE PRIVATE
DOLLARS OF PUBLIC FUNDS TO ONLY
TURN OUT PEOPLE IN CERTAIN ZIP
CODES OF A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC
BECAUSE THEY TEND TO VOTE ONE
WAY?
I THINK IT WOULD BE WRONG IF WE
DID IT FROM THE KOCH PROBLEMS TO
TURN OUT THE MOST REPUBLICANS TO
VOTE JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE WRONG
IF WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO GO
INTO MINORITY AREAS IN MILWAUKEE
BECAUSE THEY TEND TO VOTE
DEMOCRAT.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020.
PEOPLE SHOULD BE OUTRAGED THAT
WE USED PUBLIC RESOURCES MIXED
WITH PRIVATE DOLLARS TO REALLY,
IN ESSENCE, TRY TO RUN AN
ELECTION.
THIS WASN'T DONE WHERE YOU BUY
COMMERCIALS OR YOU HIRE PEOPLE
TO GO DOOR TO DOOR.
THAT'S CAMPAIGNING.
THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT.
BUT THE IDEA WE'RE GOING TO USE
PUBLIC RESOURCES IN A WAY THAT
INFLUENCES THE ELECTION, THAT
SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
ALL OUTRAGED BY AND THE FACT
THAT DEMOCRATS AREN'T OUTRAGED
IS DISAPPOINTING TO ME.
IF REPUBLICANS DID THAT, WITH
BILLIONAIRE DOLLARS TO TRY TO
INFLUENCE THE PROCESS BY HAVING
PEOPLE LITERALLY WORK THE
POLLING PLACE, PAID FOR BY THESE
PARTISAN GROUPS, I THINK THEY
WOULD BE OUTRAGED.
AND THEY SHOULD BE THIS WAY,
TOO.
>> WE'VE ONLY GOT A FEW MONTHS
OF THE SESSION LEFT.
DO YOU THINK THE LEGISLATURE
STILL HAS A ROLE TO PLAY IN
ADDRESSING THE PANDEMIC AT THIS
POINT?
>> I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST PART
OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TO MAKE
SURE WE FOCUS ON THE PRIORITIES
THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
WE NOW SEE GOVERNOR TONY EVERS
SAYING IT'S THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO FIX IT AND JOE
BIDEN SAYING IT'S STATE
GOVERNMENT WHO SHOULD FIX IT.
UNFORTUNATELY WE SEE AT THE
NATIONAL AND STATE LEVEL, WE
HAVE A LOT OF FINGER POINTING
GOING AROUND.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS I'M
VACCINATED.
I HOPE THE VAST MAJORITY OF
PEOPLE WATCHING THIS CHOOSE TO
BE VACCINATED.
IT SHOULDN'T BE MANDATED.
WE DON'T NEED VACCINE PASSPORTS,
REQUIREMENT TO GO TO A
RESTAURANT OR THAT KIND OF THING
BUT SHOULD WE FOCUS ON THE IDEA
OF KEEPING EACH OTHER SAFE AND
TRYING TO BE VACCINATE SND YES.
THAT'S A COMMON SENSE THING WE
CAN ALL FOCUS ON.
>> OBVIOUSLY LAST SUMMER THE
GOVERNOR SIGNED A REPUBLICAN
STATE BUDGET AND HE'S BEEN OUT
CAMPAIGNING AND PROMOTING SOME
ITEMS IN THE BUDGET AND I'VE
SEEN A LOT OF NEGATIVE REACTION
FROM REPUBLICANS, ALMOST ANGRY
THE GOVERNOR IS TAKING CREDIT
FOR A BUDGET HE DIDN'T SIGN.
WHY IS THAT?
>> GOVERNOR TONY EVERS PROPOSED
A MASSIVE EXPANSION OF WELFARE,
ALMOST A 10% SPENDING OF
INCREASE, OVER A BILLION DOLLARS
OF NEW TAXES, ALL THEN HE WAS
FRUSTRATED WHEN WE TOOK THOSE
THINGS OUT OF THE BUDGET.
WE PASSED WITHOUT A SINGLE IOTA
OF INPUT FROM GOVERNOR TONY
EVERS WHERE ALL HE DID WAS SIGN
IT WITH A PEN.
HE DESERVES THE CREDIT FOR THE
TEN SECONDS IT TOOK TO SIGN IT
BUT FOR THE ABILITY TO CRAFT IT
AND PUT IT TOGETHER, THAT'S A
REPUBLICAN BUDGET.
I THINK WITH GOVERNOR TONY EVERS
GIVING CREDIT TO REPUBLICANS FOR
THE BUDGET THAT HE SPENT TEN
SECONDS SIGNING, WE WOULD BE
LESS FRUSTRATED BUT HE'S A
POLITICIAN.
HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS
WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT.