TO STOP THIS.
YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN
CALL THIS OFF.
CALL IT OFF.
>> THAT WAS WISCONSIN U.S.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE GALLAGHER IN
A TWEET DURING THE SIEGE ON THE
U.S. CAPITOL ON WEDNESDAY.
HE WENT ON TO VOTE TO CERTIFY
THE HE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES
OF STATES AS HE HAD SUPPORTED
BEFORE THE RIOTING.
TAMMY BALDWIN AND RON JOHNSON
ALSO VOTED TO CERTIFY, THOUGH
JOHNSON WAS FULLY BEHIND VOTING
TO REJECT UNTIL THE CAPITOL WAS
OVERRUN.
WISCONSIN'S OTHER MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS, SCOTT FITZGERALD AND
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE TOMMY
THOMPSON VOTED TO REJECT
ELECTORAL VOTES.
THOSE HAVE THE STATE'S LARGEST
NEWSPAPER CALLING FOR THEM AND
SENATOR JOHNSON TO BE
IMMEDIATELY EXPELLED FROM THEIR
SEATS OR TO RESIGN AS MEMBERS OF
WHAT'S BEEN DUBBED THE SEDITION
CAUCUS.
TOUGH WORDS FOR ACTIONS IN A
FAILED ATTEMPT TO OVER OVERTURN
RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.
WE WILL BE JOINED BY GLENN
GROTHMAN.
JOINING US NOW IS DEMOCRATIC
MARK POCAN AND THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> GLAD TO BE HERE.
>> AT THIS POINT, YOU ARE AMONG
THOSE CALLING TO IMPEACH
PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT WHY WITH
ONLY 12 DAYS LEFT IN HIS TERM?
>> BECAUSE WITH 14 DAYS LEFT IN
HIS TERM WE HAD AN ATTEMPTED
COUP ON THE U.S. CAPITOL.
DONALD TRUMP IS NOT NORMAL BY
ANY STRETCH OF THE DEFINITION.
NO PREVIOUS DEMOCRATIC OR
REPUBLICAN HAS BROUGHT FOLLOWERS
INTO WASHINGTON D.C. WHEN YOU'RE
THERE TO CERTIFY THE ELECTORS,
ASK THEM TO MARCH ON THE
CAPITOL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE HE COULD
DO IN THE REMAINING TWO WEEKS.
TODAY NANCY PELOSI HAD TO REACH
OUT TO THE HEAD OF THE JOINT
CHIEFS AND WORRY ABOUT ACCESS TO
THE NUCLEAR CODES.
IT'S THE WALL STREET JOURNAL,
ASSOCIATION OF MANUFACTURERS,
IT'S REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
CALLING FOR THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE
REAL CONCERN FOR OUR COUNTRY.
>> SOME REPUBLICANS SAY SUCH
MOVES JUST ENHANCE DIVISIONS AT
A TIME WHEN PRESIDENT-ELECT
BIDEN IS CALLING FOR UNITY.
>> YOU CAN'T HAVE UNITY IF
YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE WHO COULD DO
A DANGEROUS ACTION.
THE LAST TIME THAT THERE WAS A
STORMING OF THE U.S. CAPITOL WAS
IN THE WAR OF 1812 BY THE
BRITISH.
SO SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
DONALD TRUMP DID THAT HASN'T
HAPPENED IN SEVERAL HUNDRED
YEARS AFTER FOLLOWING A PANDEMIC
THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A 100 YEARS,
WE'RE STARTING TO NOTICE A
PATTERN HERE.
THIS PRESIDENT HAS ACTED IN
UNPRECEDENTED WAYS.
DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT
THE COUNTRY.
HE CARES ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND
HIS FAMILY AND HIS FAMILY'S
BUSINESS.
AND I THINK PEOPLE REALLY WOKE
UP THIS WEEK TO THAT.
BUT ALL THE MORE WE'VE GOT TO
PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY AND THE
INTEGRITY OF THE COUNTRY.
AND YOU DO THAT BY EITHER, ONE,
HAVING THE CABINET INVOKE THE
25TH AMENDMENT OR, TWO, IF THEY
WON'T, WE HAVE TO DO
IMPEACHMENT.
>> WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO
CAPITOL POLICE LOSING CONTROL
AND ALLOWING THE BUILDING TO BE
PREACHED IN THAT WAY?
>> YEAH.
IT WAS SAD.
THE FEELING I STILL HAVE IS
SADNESS FROM WHAT HAPPENED THE
OTHER DAY.
ONE, I THINK THERE WAS SOME ILL
PREPAREDNESS.
THEY WEREN'T READY AND THEY
SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER
PREPARED.
WE LOST ONE OF THE OFFICER'S
LIVES DURING THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, BY THE END OF THE
DAY THEY HAD 1800 PEOPLE TO MAKE
SURE WE COULD GET THE REST OF
THE BUSINESS DONE.
I'M GLAD WE WENT BACK INTO
SESSION AND GOT THE BUSINESS
DONE THAT WE HAD TO.
BUT IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN
THAT FAR.
WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD TO
WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DONALD TRUMP INVITED THOSE
PEOPLE TO COME THAT DAY AND HE
WENT TO A RALLY AND HE AND HIS
FAMILY AND LAWYER EGGED THEM ON
FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
SO NO ONE CAN ACT LIKE DONALD
TRUMP IS INNOCENT ON THIS AND
UNFORTUNATELY, AS YOU SAW FROM
THE EDITORIAL, THE MILWAUKEE
JOURNAL SENTINEL AND OTHER
PLACES, THEY'RE NOW REFERRING TO
PEOPLE AS THE SEDITION CAUCUS.
NONE OF THIS IS NORMAL.
I'M JUST HOPING THAT IN A COUPLE
WEEKS WE CAN GET BACK TO A PLACE
WHERE BUSINESS IS DONE THE WAY
IT TRADITIONALLY HAS BEEN DONE
WITH JOE BIDEN IS PRESIDENT.
BUT IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS I'M
STILL VERY CONCERNED FOR WHAT
COULD HAPPEN.
>> I JUST WANTED TO POINT TO
THIS.
HOW DIFFERENT DO YOU THINK THIS
WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE PROTEST
PROTESTORS HAD THEY BEEN BLACK
LIVES MATTER DEMONSTRATORS?
>> NO QUESTION.
THERE WERE OVER 200 ARRESTS
DURING THE BRETT BRETT KAVANAUGH
HEARINGS.
THIS WAS A POORLY-EXECUTED
EFFORT.
MY COMMITTEE IS HAVING A
HEARING.
THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE
MORE REVIEWS AND REPORTS DONE.
THE CHIEF OF THE CAPITOL POLICE
IS RESIGNING.
THIS CLEARLY WAS DONE POORLY.
AND TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO GO
AND ARREST PEOPLE AFTER THE
FACT, ARRESTS THAT DAY WOULD
HAVE HELPED QUITE A BIT.
>> DO YOU HAVE REAL CONCERNS FOR
THE NEXT DAYS IN TERMS OF
NATIONAL SECURITY WITH DONALD
TRUMP STILL THE SITTING
PRESIDENT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY.
DONALD TRUMP IS SO
UNPREDICTABLE.
HE'S SUCH A NARCISSIST.
WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE HE COULD DO?
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK OUR REAL
WORRIES ARE.
HE'S ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT
BEING TOUGHER ON IRAN.
WE DON'T NEED TO START A LAST
COUPLE WEEKS OF ANYONE'S
PRESIDENCY WHEN YOU'VE GOT
SOMEONE NEW COMING IN.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO CONCERNED.
NOT ONLY DOES HE HAVE TO BE
PUNISHED FOR WHAT HE DID, WHAT
WAS AN ASSAULT ON OUR DEMOCRACY
ON WEDNESDAY, BUT WE HAVE TO
MAKE SURE THAT HE DOESN'T DO ANY
MORE DAMAGE TO THIS COUNTRY.
>> MEANWHILE, NEARLY LOST IN ALL
OF THIS, DEMOCRATS JUST WON
CONTROL OF THE SENATE.
WHAT WILL DEMOCRATS DO WITH THIS
LEADERSHIP?
>> SO IT'S A TIGHT MARGIN.
IT'S A 50-50 SENATE.
THE TIE-BREAKING VOTE WILL BE
KAMALA HARRIS.
OUR HOUSE MARGIN IS A SMALL
MARGIN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE A LOT OF ACTION HAPPENING ON
THINGS THAT I MIGHT LIKE TO SEE
AS SOMEONE WHO'S MORE OF A
PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT.
BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT HOPEFULLY
WE CAN GET SOME OF THE
APPOINTMENTS THROUGH THAT WE
NEED TO, WE CAN GET SOME BASIC
BILLS THAT NEED TO FIX SOME OF
THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE BY THE
TRUMP PRESIDENCY THROUGH
CONGRESS.
BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY A HUGE
MARGIN IN EITHER HOUSE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE MARK POCAN,
THANKS FOR J