%>>
THE
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%PRODUCTION.%>>
I'M FREDERICA
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%TONIGHT,
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%WE'RE
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R
%TONIGHT, AN
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%DEATH
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BY A
%MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER.%
WE
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%ORGANIZERS
AND
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ABOUT
%THEIR
LOCAL
PERSPECTIVES ON
THE
%NATIONAL
CONVERSATION.
%IT'S "HERE AND
NOW"
FOR
JUNE
5.
%>>
FUNDING
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NOW"
I
S
%PROVIDED BY
THE
FOCUS
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%JOURNALISM AND
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%WISCONSIN.
%
>> RALLIES AND PROTESTS SPREAD%
ACROSS WISCONSIN OVER THE
DEATH
%OF GEORGE
FLOYD,
W
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DIED
UNDER
%THE KNEE
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WITH%SECOND-DEGREE MURDER.
%PROTESTERS TAKING
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%DAILY,
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%AND
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SHUTTING
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%TO
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O
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%POLICE
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%AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
%LOOTING AND
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%SOME
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N
O
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%POLICE
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%DAYS
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%TEAR GAS
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%GOVERNOR TONY
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%THE NATIONAL GUARD
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%NATIONAL LAW
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%THE
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A
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%ITEM.
%ADVOCACY GROUPS
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%LISTS OF
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%MORE
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65
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%COSIGNED
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%BY
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%ROUNDTABLE IN MILWAUKEE.
%IT
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%TO
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%
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%AWAY
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%THE NATIONAL
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%FUNDS
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%PUTTING THAT MONEY TOWARD
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%AND
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%JOINING
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ANGELA
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%EXECUTIVE
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O
F
BLOC.
%SHE JOINS
US
FROM
MILWAUKEE
AND
%THANK YOU SO
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FOR
DOING
SO.
%>>
THANKS FOR
HAVING ME.
%I
THINK
THIS
CONVERSATION IS
%IMPORTANT.%THANK
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.
%
>>
WHY
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EVERY STATE
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THE
%NATION
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WISCONSIN
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%PROTEST THE
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%FLOYD?
%>> YEAH.
%I
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%I
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%MURDERS AT
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%FOR
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%YOU
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EVE
N
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%BEATING.
%THIS
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%FOR US.
%BUT
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I
%KIND
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%THINK
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%SHAKEN UP
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%AND
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%SOLUTIONS AND
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%POLICY REFORM.
%TO
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%MATTER OF TIME.
%I TELL
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%WAS
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%MARTIN WAS
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%DR. HAMILTON
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%MILWAUKEE
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%IT
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%SAYING
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%WE KEEP
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%THERE
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%A
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T
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%I
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S
%REALLY
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%AS A WHOLE
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%ENOUGH AND
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%AND LEGISLATIVE
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%DEATH
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I
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%AT THE
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%STRUCTURAL
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%ROOTED
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%WHEN WE
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%ENFORCEMENT, WE
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%DEPARTMENTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
%'IN
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%DURING
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%SLAVES.
%WHEN YOU'RE
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%HISTORY
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%IT
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I
N
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%SUPREMACY.
%WE'VE
S
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%MURDERS BE
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%PROTECT US.
%IT
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%BROWN
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%CRIMINALIZED
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%EXISTING.
%YOU
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%YOU CAN'T
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%YOU CAN'T
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%THERE
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%CAN'T DO
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%CRIMINALIZED JUST FOR
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%
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%WE
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%WE CAN'T
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%THERE'S SO
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.
%THIS IS
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%AND THREATS
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%AND IMPOSE ON
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%>>
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%AND
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%FIGHT
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%>>
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%IT'S
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%IT'S
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%IT'S
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%IT'S
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%IT'S
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%IT'S AN
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%I'VE BEEN
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%12 YEARS
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%SINCE
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%ORGANIZED AROUND
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%BUT
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%ORGANIZING THAT I WAS
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%AND IT
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%CHANGING.
%AND SO
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OUR
%COUNTRY AND
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%THIS
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%AND A
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%AND
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%THIS
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%LAST WEEKEND
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%PHONE
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%HEALTH BREAK.
%I
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%IN
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%TRUMP'S
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%IT'S
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%OF
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%WE'RE
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%HAVE
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%JUST AS
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%AS
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%INCREDIBLY
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%CONSTANTLY HAVE
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%AND
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%FIGHT
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%OWN
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%WHATEVER REASON
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%AND
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%IS AN
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%RACISM
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%CRISIS.
%WHAT WOULD FOLLOW
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THAT
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%OF
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%I THINK
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REALLY
I
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%THAT'S
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I
S
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%LABEL
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%US, WHETHER
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%TRAUMA
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R
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%HANDS OF
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%IT
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%WHEN
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%MISSING O
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%WHEN
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%ARE GOING
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%PUBLIC HEALTH
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%LIKE THAT
A
S
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%WHEN
W
E
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%SPECIFICALLY BEING
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%HATE CRIMES
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%OF
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%AND
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%PUBLIC
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%POLICIES
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%MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES.
%WE NEED
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%THE
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%ENTRENCHED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT%
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%HOW
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%OURSELVES UNDERSTANDING
OUR
%LIMITATIONS.
%WE'RE
NOT
REALLY
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THE
%ABILITY
T
O
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AND
DREAM
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%WAY OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE.
%I THINK
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REALLY
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REALLY
%EVALUATING HOW
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I
S
%ALLOCATED,
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%
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%IN
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%CITY BUDGET
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THE
POLICE
%DEPARTMENT, WHILE
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%DEPARTMENT, WHICH
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%OFFICE
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%IS ONLY
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%3%.
%THAT
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%BUDGET
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%CRIME AND
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%COMMUNITIES.
%SO
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E
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%HOW
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%IDEALLY
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%CRIMINAL JUSTICE
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%WE SPEND
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N
%WE DO
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%THAT GOES
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%VALUES
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%BUDGETS
ARE
MORAL
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%WE NEED
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O
%ACTUALLY DIVESTING
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%POLICE
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%INTO
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A
S MENTAL
%HEALTH,
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%ACCESS
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%TO QUALITY
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YOUTH%OPPORTUNITIES IN
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%TRANSPORTATION, SO
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%GET
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%ALL
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FACTORS
%
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S
AFE
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%HAVE TO
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%IN
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%MUCH
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%THAT
I
S
ONLY
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%CRIME.%>>
I
N
THE
WAKE
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FLOYD'S
%DEATH, HAS
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I
N
THE
%STREETS
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PROTESTS
COOPTED
%THE
MESSAGE
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TAKEN
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%AWAY FROM THE
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%RACISM
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BLACK
%PEOPLE AND
THESE
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O
F
%WHICH YOU SPEAK?
%>>
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%VIOLENCE
OR
THE
LOOTING
IS
BEING
%FRAMED
IN A
DIFFICULT
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%NO
O
NE
WAKES UP
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I
S
SO
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%AND
TRAUMATIZED, NO ONE WANTS
TO
%WAKE UP AND
B
E
THAT
ANGRY
AND
%BURN SOMETHING DOWN.
%I THINK
IT'S
NOT
REALLY OUR
JOB
%TO
TELL
PEOPLE
HOW THEY SHOULD
%DEAL
WITH
THEIR
TRAUMA WHEN
%WE'RE
SEEING
PUBLIC
EDUCATIONS.
%PEOPLE
ARE
SAYING
THESE
ARE
%MODERN
LAY
LYNCHINGS.
%WE
SEE
THE
BACKLASH.
%FOR
PEOPLE
TO
KIND
OF,
FOR
LACK
%OF A
BETTER
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TONE
POLICE
%HOW
PEOPLE
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%FRUSTRATION, IT'S
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%FROM THE PAIN
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THE
HURT.
%IT'S
NOT
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%NO
ONE
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BE
BURNING
%THINGS DOWN
I
N
ORDER TO BE
%HEARD.
%BUT
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ARE
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%WHERE
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THE
%ONLY WAY.
%YOU
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%FOT BEING
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%SO
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%UNDERSTANDABLE
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%THE
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%AND
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REALLY
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IN
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%PARTICULAR
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%CENTERING
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%THE
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%PROPERTY CAN
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%PEOPLE'S LIVES
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>>
MIDWEEK, A
S
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%CRIMINAL CHARGES
WERE
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%AGAINST
THE
MINNEAPOLIS POLICE
%OFFICER WHO
KNELT ON
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%GEORGE
FLOYD
AND
THE OTHER
%OFFICERS ARE
NOW
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%WHAT'S
YOUR
REACTION TO
THAT?
%>> YOU
KNOW,
I
THINK
IT'S A STEP
%IN
THE
RIGHT
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%YOU
KNOW,
IT'S
ENCOURAGING.
%WE'LL
SEE
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THE
SYSTEM
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%OUT.
%IF
I'M
HONEST,
I'M
NEVER
TOO
%RELIANT
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TOO
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%CRIMINAL
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A
S
HOW
%THINGS PLAY OUT.
%YOU
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HOW
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%IMPACTS OUR COMMUNITY.
%WE'VE SEEN
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%OFFICERS
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%JUST
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%BROUGHT,
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E
REALLY WANT TO
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%THE CHARGES BE
ABLE
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STICK
AND
%PEOPLE
ACTUALLY
BEING
ABLE
T
O
BE
%HELD
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%AND
I
THINK
ALSO
I
GET
THIS
%QUESTION,
TOO,
I
S
JUST
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%CHARGES
ARE
BROUGHT,
DO
I
THINK
%THAT
THE
PROTESTS ARE
GOING
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%DIE
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%AND I
THINK
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LIVING
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%PRECIPICE RIGHT
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IS%SO MUCH
BIGGER
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%I
THINK
PEOPLE
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REALLY
%STARTING TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
%IS A SYSTEMATIC
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THIS
%WAS
THE
CATALYST AND
SPARK
FOR
%THAT CHANGE.
%BUT THE
LAYERS
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HISTORICAL
%CONTEXT
BROUGHT US TO THIS
%POINT.
%EVEN
IF
EVERYTHING
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THE
%WAY
W
E
WANT
TO
IT, WE NEED
TO
%MAKE
CONCRETE
REFORMS I
N
THE
%FUTURE
TO
MAKE
SURE
THIS
CAN
%NEVER BE ALLOWED
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HAPPEN
%AGAIN.%>>
ANGELA
LANG, THANK
YOU
VERY
%MUCH FOR
YOUR
TIME.
%THOUSANDS
TURNED
OUT
A
CROSS
%WISCONSIN
T
O
PROTEST
IN
THE
WAKE
%OF GEORGE FLOYD'S
DEATH,
AT
%TIMES
CAUSING
CLASHES BETWEEN
%MESS
AND
DEMONSTRATORS.
%THE
COMMON
THEME?
%SYSTEMATIC
RACISM
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T
O
END.
%"HERE AND NOW"
REPORTER WILL
%KENNEALLY HAS
MORE.
%>>
THE
EMOTION
THAT
FILLED
%WISCONSIN STREETS
THIS WEEK
WAS
%PALPABLE.
%FOR
ONE
PROTESTER WHO
POINTED
TO
%HER
SKIN
WHEN
ASKED
WHY SHE
WAS
%DEMONSTRATING
?
%>> THE
DEATH
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FLOYD
IN
%MINNEAPOLIS POLICE
CUSTODY
%SPARKED
MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE
%STATE
ADVOCATING
T
O
CHANGES
HOW
%THE
POLICE
INTERACT
WITH
BLACKS.
%[CHEERS AND
APPLAUSE]%>>
WE
WANT
THOSE
RESOURCES TO
BE
%REDIRECTED
T
O
PRO
BLACK,
TO
%PRO-LIFE-AFFIRMING SAFETY
%MECHANISMS.%>>
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PUSH
FOR
POLICE
REFORM
%HAS GONE
ON
FOR
YEARS
IN
%WISCONSIN.
%TONY
ROBINSON
I
N
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%SYLVILE SMITH
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MILWAUKEE WERE
%IN THE
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%WEEK'S
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%THE
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%LETHARGIC
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THE
%WEEKEND.
%>>
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%PROTESTERS AND
STOREFRONTS WERE
%PILLAGED.%>> SOME OF US
ARE
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%THE
LOOTING.
%I GET
IT.
%SOME OF
US
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THE
%PROPERTY.
%I GET
IT.
%BUT
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%SOLUTIONS OR
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%[CHEERS AND
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%>>
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%RHODES-CONWAY
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%CHANGE, BUT THE
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MADISON
%WAS
UNCONVINCED.
%>>
I'M
GOING
TO DO
WHA
T
I
CAN
.
%>>
WHAT
CAN
YOU
DO?
%TELL
US WHAT
YOU
CAN
DO.
%>>
TO
MOVE
FORWARD
AND
REBUILD
%TRUST IN
THE
POLICE,
WHAT CAN
BE
%DONE?%>>
WELL, WE HAVE
T
O
TAKE A
STEP
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E
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%TELL HURT
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%PEOPLE
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%THEIR
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%WE ALS
O
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%THAT
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ROLE
T
O
PLAY
%IN THE
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%EVERY ROLE
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%BUT WE
ALL
HAVE A
ROLE
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PLAY
%IN THIS
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%IT'S ABOUT
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%ROLE.%THIS
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REALLY
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LEAN
%ON
ONE
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O
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%EXISTS.
%I
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THE
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%WE
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%IT'S
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%IF
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%BROTHERS AND
SISTERS
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%MARCHING TOO.
%IT'S A HUMAN
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%HEARD.%>> PEOPLE ARE
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%WE'RE
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%ABOUT THE
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%AND
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%YOU
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I
%THINK IT
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%WHY
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%UPSET AND
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%TOGETHER AND
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%THINGS
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%>>
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%MILWAUKEE,
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%FOR "HERE AND NOW."
%>>
THESE
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%QUOTE,
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MUS
T
REJECT
THE
%EFFORTS
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THOSE
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SEEK
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%UNDERMINE
AND
DISTRACT FROM THE
%PAIN
O
F
GENERATIONS
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%INJUSTICE."
%"WE
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%ENCOURAGE
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BLACK
%LIVES.
%WE MUST
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%OUR SUPPORT.
%BUT
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ALL,
W
E
MUST
OFFER
%OUR
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%AND
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EVERS
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%ONCE
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OUR
WEEKLY
%ONE-ON-ONE
INTERVIEW
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%VERY
MUCH
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DOING
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%>>
THANKS,
FREDERICA.%>>
SO
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%YOU
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%FORM
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%WOULD
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%ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT
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%THE
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%THAT DEADLY
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E
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D
%ONLY AS A
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%WHY IS THAT WHAT YOU
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%IMPORTANT FIRST
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%>>
YEAH.
%AND
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%WHAT --
THAT'S WHAT
BROUGHT
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%TO
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%OBVIOUSLY, THE
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%THAT
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WITH%GEORGE FLOYD
AND
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%HAPPENED
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%THE
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%PLACE
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%RELATIONS
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%FOLKS.
%AND
SO,
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USE
O
F
FORCE
I
S
%WHAT
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%IT'S AN ASSEMBLY
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%IT'S ALREADY
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%IT'S
REALLY
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%MAKING
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%EXIST SO
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%THE
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%OF
THEM.
%>>
NOW,
IT
CERTAINLY --%>> I'M
SORRY.
%BUT IT
IS
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%WE
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%GOES, YOU
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POLICE
%RELATIONS AND
CRIMINAL
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%REFORM,
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%YOU NAME
IT, WE
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%OPPORTUNITY NOW
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%THE
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%BILL, IT
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%CRITICIZED
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CHAIR OF
THE
%STATE
SENATE
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SAFETY
%COMMITTEE, WHO IS
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NEXT
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%ON
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%HE
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WRITTEN,
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%BY
LIBERAL
ACTIVISTS WHO
DON'T
%KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT
POLICE
W
ORK.
%WHAT
DO
YOU
SAY
TO
THAT?
%>>
WELL, IT
IS
-- IT
WAS
WRITTEN
%IN
LARGE
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THE
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%WERE
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WERE
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THE FIRST AMENDMENT
%RIGHTS.
%I
UNDERSTAND
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THE
SENATOR
%HAS
LOTS
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%AND
POLICE
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%OTHERS DO.
%BUT
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MEAN
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W
E
%CAN'T
MOVE
FORWARD
ON
SOMETHING
%AROUND
ACCOUNTABILITY
FOR
%POLICE.
%
90%,
95%,
YOU
NAME
THE
HIGH
%NUMBER OF PEOPLE
THAT WORK
IN
%THE
PROFESSION ARE
GOOD.
%WE
NEED
ACCOUNTABILITY
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%PEOPLE
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SOME
%HELP IN
ESTABLISHING
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%YOU
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HAVE TO
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FORMER%POLICE OFFICER TO
UNDERSTAND
%THAT.%>>
WHAT
ABOUT
MANDATING
AND
%FUNDING
IMPLICIT BIAS
TRAINING
%FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT,
SOMETHING
%LIKE
THAT?
%>>
ABSOLUTELY.
%
THERE ARE
ALL
SORTS
OF
GOOD
%IDEAS ON THE
TABLE.
%AND AS I
TALK
TO
PEOPLE
ALL%ACROSS THE
STATE,
BUT
%PARTICULARLY
IN
MADISON
AND
%MILWAUKEE, ON THE GROUND,
I'M
%NOT
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ELECTED
%OFFICIALS, PEOPLE THAT ARE
%LIVING
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%THEY SAY
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ACCURATE,%THERE
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ENOUGH
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RIBBON
%COMMISSIONS AND
ENOUGH
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%FORCES
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ENOUGH
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%THAT THERE ARE
IDEAS
OUT
THERE
%THAT CAN
BE
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%AND SO
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LOOKING
FORWARD T
O
%GETTING
THE
BEST
IDEAS,
%ESPECIALLY
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THOSE
PEOPLE%THAT ARE ON THE
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%OBVIOUSLY, WE
HAVE TO
GET
%SUPPORT
FROM
LEGISLATORS.
%BUT THIS SHOULD
BE A
BIPARTISAN
%ISSUE
.
%>>
THURSDAY
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DECLARED
RACISM%A
PUBLIC
HEALTH
CRISIS.
%WHAT
TANGIBLE STEPS
WILL
YOU
%TAKE TO
HEAL
THAT
CRISIS?
%>>
IT'S
BEEN
LAID
THERE
DURING
%THIS
PANDEMIC, WHICH
GROUPS
ARE
%INORDINATELY
AND
%DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY
%THE
VIRUS.
%IT'S
AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
%IT'S
HISPANICS
AND
OTHER
PEOPLE,
%PEOPLE OF
COLOR.
%AND
WE'VE
BEEN
TALKING
ABOUT
%THIS A LONG
TIME,
FRANKLY.
%I
STILL
BELIEVE THAT
TAKING
THE
%MEDICAID EXPANSION
MONEY
THAT
WE
%COULD HAVE DONE
I
N
THE
HAS
%BUDGET WOULD HAVE FREED
U
P
LOTS
%OF
MONEY
FOR
OTHER
PROGRAMS
THAT
%WOULD HAVE
DIRECTLY
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THE
%LIVES
OF
PEOPLE
OF
COLOR
IN
THIS
%STATE
AND
HELPED
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REDUCE
THAT
%DISPROPORTION
%DISPROPORTIONALTY.
%TO
ME
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UNACCEPTABLE
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%HAVE NOT
TAKEN
THE
MONEY
OUR
%TAXPAYERS HAVE
SENT
TO
%WASHINGTON D.C. AND
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%GETTING NO
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THAT.%>> WHAT
I
S
YOUR
POSITION ON
%DEFUNDING THE
POLICE
AND
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%THOSE
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%PUBLIC
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O
R
%ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON
BEHALF
%OF PEOPLE
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%>>
Y
EAH.
%I'VE
BEEN
ASKED
THAT
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%LOT, AND
POSSIBLY EVEN
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%THE FOLKS YOU'RE
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O
%TONIGHT
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%BUT
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MEANS
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%FUNDING
FROM POLICE
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%THE
WORK
THAT
THEY'RE
DOING, THE
%GOOD
WORK
THAT
THEY'RE
DOING, OF
%COURSE
I'M
NOT
AGAINST
THAT.
%WHO'S
GOING T
O
BE
ARRESTING
THE
%PERSON
DRIVING
DRUNK ON
THE
%BELTLINE?
%WE
HAVE TO
HAVE
OFFICERS
TO
HELP
%US
GET
THROUGH THOSE
THINGS.
%BUT IF
SOME
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IMPLICIT BIAS
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%PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP
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ARE
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%CIRCUMSTANCES ALL
THE
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%REAPPRAISING
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IS
%SPENT TO
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THEM
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OFFICERS, I'M
ALL
FOR
%THAT.%>>
AMONG
THE
OTHER
DEMANDS, AS
%YOU
SAID, THAT
WAS
ONE,
AND
WE
%WILL HEAR
ABOUT
THA
T
TONIGHT
%FROM
SOME
PEOPLE.
%BUT AMONG
THE
OTHER
DEMANDS
FROM
%ANTIRACIST
ACTIVISTS
AND
%ADVOCATES IS
TO
WITHDRAW
THE
%NATIONAL
GUARD
ACTIVATED
I
N
THE
%
MIDST
OF
PROTESTS,
WHICH,
AS
YOU
%KNOW,
SOME
OF
THEM
RESULTED
IN
%WIDESPREAD PROPERTY DAMAGE.
%WILL YOU
CEDE
TO
THAT
DEMAND?
%>>
WELL,
FIRST
OF
ALL
,
THE
%NATIONAL
GUARD
IS
SENT
IN
WHEN
%LOMES ASKED
%LOCALS ASKED
US
FOR
I
T
IN
%MILWAUKEE AND
MADISON AND
OTHER
%PLACES IN THE
STATE.
%BUT MY
ROLE
OR
MY
INSISTENCE
AND
%BOTTOM LINE
I
S
THAT
THEY
SERVE A
%LIMITED ROLE.
%I
UNDERSTAND
HOW
PEOPLE
FEEL
%ABOUT MILITARY
ORGANIZATIONS,
%EVEN
THOUGH
OUR
NART
NATIONAL GUARD
%HAS
DONE A GREAT
JOB
HELPING US
%IN THE
PANDEMIC.
%SO WE
HAVE
INSISTED
WITH
LOCAL
%LEADERS
THAT THEY ARE
PRIMARILY
%USED
TO
PROTECT
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%ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT PROPERTY%
LIKE
THE
STATE
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LIK
E
%ELECTRICAL
SITUATIONS
AND
WATER
%AND
OTHER
UTILITIES,
CULTURAL
%SITES.
%SO THAT'S
THEIR
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AND
THAT'S
%THE ROLE
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PRIMARILY
%PLAYING.
%SO
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ARE
ASKING ME TO
%HAVE THEM
PLAY A
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%ROLE,
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WILL
CONTINUE
TO
DO
%WHAT
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THEY'RE
DOING A
%GREAT JOB AS.
%>>
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SAY
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MUST
%REESTABLISH
TRUST
WITH
%COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
%HOW DO
YOU DO
IT?
%>>
WELL,
IT'S A
LONG
PROCESS,
%BUT, BELIEVE
ME, WE
HAVE A
LONG
%WAY TO GO.
%AND
ONE OF
THE
THINGS WE
CAN
DO
%IS
ACT,
AND I
BELIEVE AT
THE
%STATE LEVEL WE
HAVE
SOM
E
ACTIONS
%THAT WE
CAN
TAK
E
T
O
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PEOPLE
%THAT
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F
COLOR
%IN
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%BUT ALSO WE HAVE
T
O
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SURE
%THAT WE
INVOLVE
THE
ENTIRE
STATE
%IN
THIS.
%OUR
STATE
I
S
BECOMING
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%DIVERSE
BY
THE
DAY
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%CONTINUE
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%UMBRELLA O
F
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%DEMOGRAPHICS.
%AND
SO WE
NEED TO
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%CONVERSATIONS.
%I
THINK
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STATE
HAS A
BULLY
%PULPIT ROLE TO
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%IMPORTANTLY, AN ACTIVE
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%ACTION
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%INTERACTING
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%
-- YOU
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%WE'RE
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CONTINUE THOSE
%CONVERSATIONS.
%BUT THE
MORE
I
AND
OTHER
STATE
%LEADERS SPEND
TIME
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TO
%PEOPLE ON THE
GROUND
IN
CITIES
%
AND
VILLAGES ACROSS THE STATE O
N
%THIS
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, THE
BETTER
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WE'LL
%BE.%>>
AND
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COMMITTED TO
DOING
%THAT IN
THE
DAYS
AND
WEEKS
%AHEAD.%>>
YEAH.
%I ALWAYS HAVE
BEEN.
%THIS
IS AN
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-
%IT'S BEEN
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MY
SOUL
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OR
%YEARS.
%
AND
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HAVE
-- WE
HAVE A
%GOOD OPPORTUNITY
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WISCONSIN.
%PEOPLE
ARE
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%SOME
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%AND I'M
LOOKING
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%DELIVERING ON SOME
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THOSE
%THINGS
THEY'RE INTERESTED
IN.
%>>
GOVERNOR TONY
EVERS, THANK%YOU
VERY
MUCH
FOR
JOINING
US.
%>> THANK
YOU,
FREDERICA.
%APPRECIATE
IT.
%>>
THE
LEGISLATIVE
BILL
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%CALLS FOR
MAKING
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PRIMARY
%DUTY
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ENFORCEMENT
TO
%PRESERVE THE LIFE
O
F
ALL
%INDIVIDUALS AND
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%FORCE
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%HAS RESORT
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Y
%THE
REPUBLICAN
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%IS
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P
UBLIC
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%COMMITTEE.
%SENATOR VAN WANGGAARD
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RACINE
%IS A FORMER POLICE OFFICER.
%HE
JOINS
US
NOW
FROM
RACINE
AND
%THANKS
VERY
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FOR
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HERE.
%>>
GLAD TO
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HERE,
FREDERICA.%>>
S
O
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IN
YOUR
MIND IS IT
%WRONG TO
CODIFY
THE
STATUTE
THE
%PRIMARY DUTY
OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
%IS
TO
PRESERVE THE
LIFE
OF
ALL
%INDIVIDUALS?%>> WELL,
ACTUALLY,
UNDER
CHAPTER
%66
IT'S
ALREADY
INCLUDED
IN
%THERE
AND
IT
REQUIRES
EACH
%DEPARTMENT TO HAVE
POLICIES
I
N
%PLACE,
BOTH UNDER
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%FEDERAL
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%RESTRICT
THOSE
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%ACTING
I
N
ACCORDANCE
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STATE
%AND FEDERAL
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%SO
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HAPPENED
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%MINNESOTA,
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%STEPPED OUTSIDE
O
F
HIS
%DEPARTMENT'S
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%GUIDELINES AND
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DID
%THIS
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%KNEE ON
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%INDIVIDUAL
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%POLICIES
AND GUIDELINES OF THE
%FORCE
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%AND
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WITH%SECOND-DEGREE MURDER.
%WE
HAVE
ALL
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CRIMINAL
%STATUTES ON
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APPLY
%TO EVERYBODY.
%THEY
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%TOO, NOT JUST
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%STREET
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THEY
POLICE,
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THE
%POLICE OFFICERS
THEMSELVES.
%AND THOSE
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ALREADY
%IN
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CHAPTER
6
0
AND
%UNDER
CHAPTER
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%WITH POLICE
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%COMMISSIONS, ET
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%THERE
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%IF
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%OUTSIDE OF
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%AND
I'D
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%WAS A POLICE
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%COMMISSIONER FOR
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%ALSO.%>>
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%ALSO
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I
T
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%THAT WHOEVER
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HAS
%NEVER
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%ENFORCEMENT.
%WHY DO
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%>>
WELL,
I
SAY
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%MATTER WHAT IS
IN
THIS
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%WOULD
NOT
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%OCCURRED
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%CHANGED
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%OFFICER-INVOLVED INCIDENTS
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%HAVE
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Y
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%MEMORY.
%WE
NEED TO GET
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%OF
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W
E
%NEED
T
O
LOOK
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%CAN
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%SO WE
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%LEGISLATION THAT
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%
WORKING O
N
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%WE'VE
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%MR. MICHAEL
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%HE
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HIS
SON
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%OFFICER DOWN
I
N
KENOSHA A
FEW
%YEARS
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%LOOKING FOR
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%AND
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ADDRESS
SOME OF THE
%OFFICER-INVOLVED
SHOOTINGS
AND
%HOW
CAN
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TRAIN
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THAT
%MAYBE WE
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OF
%THESE
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%SO
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%PIECE O
F
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%WOULD GET TO
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%IT
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%THE
NATIONAL
TRANSPORTATION
%SAFETY BOARD
COMES
IN
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%THERE'S A
TRANSPORTATION
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%IN PUBLIC
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T.
%THEY COME
IN,
THEY
SURVEY
ALL OF
%THE
INFORMATION.
%THERE'S
N
O
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THEY
CAN'T GO.
%THEY
HE
CAN
SUBPOENA,
FIND
OUT
WHY
%IT
HAPPENED
SO WE
CAN
MAKE
%CHANGES S
O
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DON'T
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THESE
%FAILURES.
%WHETHER OR
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BLACK
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%THE
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THE%GROUND WOULDN'T
THE
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%ANY DIFFERENCE.
%WHAT
THIS
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DID
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%ABSOLUTELY
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HE
%SHOULD BE
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%SO
THAT
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MADE
ANY
%DIFFERENCE.%WE
NEED
T
O
LOOK
AT WHAT
HAPPENED
%HERE, WHERE WAS THE
FAILURE.
%AND
I THINK
THAT
THE
PROCESS,
WE
%WILL
NOW
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THEY
%HAVE AN
INTERNAL
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%THEY'LL
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E
THEIR
STATE%DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
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%MINNEAPOLIS
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A
T
IT,
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%FEDERAL INVESTIGATION AND
THE
%STATE
LEVEL
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MINNESOTA WILL BE
%LOOKING
ALIT
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AT
IT.
%SO I
THINK WE
NEED
TO KEEP ALL
%OF
THAT
IN
PERSPECTIVE.
%>>
YOU
TALK
ABOUT
ROOT
CAUSES
OF
%THIS KIND
O
F
THING
LIKE
HAPPENED
%IN
MINNEAPOLIS HAPPENING.
%WOULD
THAT
BE
TRAINING
AND
%ACCOUNTABILITY
THEN?
%>>
I
THINK
TRAINING IS A
HUGE,
%HUGE
PART
OF
IT.
%WE'RE
BLESSED HERE IN WISCONSIN.
%WE'VE
GOT A
REALLY
GOOD
BUREAU
%TRAINING
AND
STANDARDS
AND
THEY
%WORK
VER
Y
CLOSELY WITH
ALL
OF
%OUR
DEPARTMENTS.
%I GUESS
I
LEAN A
LITTLE
BIT
%TOWARDS
SOUTHEASTERN
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%WITH
GATEWAY
TECHNOLOGY COLLEGE
%AND
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%BUT
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%THEY
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%THEY'RE
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%PHENOMENAL.
%AND
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%STATE OF WISCONSIN IS
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%EDUCATION
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%CERTIFICATIONS.
%SO
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%OTHER
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%WITH THE
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%COULD
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%ARREST.
%THEY
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%EVERY
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%HAVE
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%TRAINING ON
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%MIGHT CHANGE
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%THE
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%SENATOR WAN
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%THERE.
%THANKS VERY MUCH.
%>> YOU'RE
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%RECOGNIZED
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%REFORM.
%NOBLE WRAI
I
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THE
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%OF
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%THANK
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%US.
%>> THANK
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SO
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I
N
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%PRACTICES AND REFORM, WHEN YOU
%SAW
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%TO GEORGE
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%THROUGH YOUR
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%>>
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%AMERICANS, IT
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%IT'S
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%GOING
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%I
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%MEMBER, AN
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%OR
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%
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%REALLY.
%AND, YOU
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%FAMILY.%IT WAS
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%TERRIBLE SET
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%ON
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%UNDERSTAND THE
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%PROTESTERS
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I
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%SOLIDARITY OVER
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%SUPREMACY AS
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%DEATH
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%>> I
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%DIFFERENT ANGLES.
%I CAME
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%MY
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%FATHER
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%RIGHTS
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%THAT
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%AS A POLICE OFFICER WHO
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%ADVOCATED FOR
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%POLICE
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%BECAUSE
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E
%THOUGHT THAT WE WERE
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%RECOGNIZING THAT
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%LOST
I
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%ONE
I
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%DIFFICULT.
%BUT
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%TO
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%IN MADISON
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%NATION, THIS
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.
%IT'S
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%AND
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I
%THINK
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D
O
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%MISTAKE
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%THAT
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%TENSION
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NOT
%COMPLAINING TO LAW
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%ARE
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%BUT
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%PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT THINGS
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%NOT OKAY.
%THE
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%THE
FRUSTRATION,
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%FRUSTRATION WAS OUT
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%AND
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%REALLY HIT
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%MANY
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%ONE OF THE
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%DIFFERENT.
%I'VE
BEEN
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%MADISON
I
S
THE
STATE
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%THIS IS
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PROTEST.
%THIS
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%AND A
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THE
%PEOPLE THAT ARE
DIRECTLY
%IMPACTED BY A
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%THEY'RE NOT
THE
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ONES
%IMPACTED.
%THIS
HAS
GONE
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%AFRICAN-AMERICANS.%THIS
I
S
WORLDWIDE.
%THE
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THING
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%WHEN YOU
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I
N
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%QUO, WHAT
I'M
HEARING I
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PEOPLE
%ARE
ASKING
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%DIFFERENT.
%THEY'RE
SAYING
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WANT A
%RESPONSE
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POLICE
MISCONDUCT
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O
%HAPPEN
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%WE
WANT POLICE
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%ENGAGED
I
N
SIMILAR
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%TREATED
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N
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%CITIZEN WOULD BE
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%AND
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%IF
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THE
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%DEMOCRACY, WE SHOULD BE HELD
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%A HIGHER
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%BE
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%WILL THIS
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%CAUSES
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%>>
I
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%
I
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THE
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%TAKES
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THE
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%TAKES
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%MOMENT.
%AND AS
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%GET
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%BECAUSE PEOPLE
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%PROTESTING THAT
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%ISSUE.
%BECAUSE THERE ARE CLEAR ISSUES
%OF
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%PLACE
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%>>
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%--
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-
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%EXAMPLE.
%I
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%PROVIDE
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%THE PUBLIC.
%IT
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%NEEDS TO BE
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%HUMAN RESOURCE
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%PROTECTED
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%BUT
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%NEED
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%I
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%LANDMARK SUPREME COURT
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%
THAT
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'80s
%REGARDING USE OF
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%THOSE
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%AT.
%I'LL
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JUST
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%INTO
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%THERE'S A PROPOSAL A
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%LEVEL
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%LOOK
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I
N ON
%THE MINIMAL
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F
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%NECESSARY IN A
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%SITUATION.
%CALIFORNIA HAS
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%LEGISLATION THAT
I
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%THAT.
%WHAT
GRAND
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%WHICH THERE ARE
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I
%REALLY
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U
S
%AWAY
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%MINIMUM AMOUNT
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F
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I
%THINK HAS MORE
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%OBJECTIVE
I
N
THE
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%POLICE WHEN
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WITH
%THE USE O
F
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%THAT
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%ON, THAT WAS ALWAYS IN
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%OF
M
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%USE THE
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%NECESSARY WHEN
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%THAT SITUATION.
%I THINK
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%OBJECTIVELY REASONABLE STANDARD
%THAT
CAME OUT OF
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GRAND
%VERSUS
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%>>
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O
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%PROPOSAL
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A
T
THE
%STATE, A
BILL
B
Y
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THAT
%DEALS WITH USE
O
F
FORCE?
%DO YOU
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THAT
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%>> I
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SO
%I'M
ALWAYS
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SAY
THAT
%I
SUPPORT
I
T
IN
ITS
ENTIRETY
%UNTIL I SEE
IT.
%I HAVE
JUST
HEARD
ABOUT
IT.
%AND
FROM
WHAT
I'VE
HEARD,
I
%THINK
IT'S GOING
IN
THE
RIGHT
%DIRECTION.
%IT'S LIKE TO
SEE
THE
%LEGISLATION.
%BUT I
KNOW
THAT I
WAS
TRACKING
%CALIFORNIA'S
LEGISLATION ON
IT,
%AND I
THINK
THEY'RE
GOING
I
N
THE
%RIGHT DIRECTION WITH
IT.
%>>
THE
LEGISLATION
SEEMS
FAIRLY
%BRIEF.
%IT
BASICALLY SAYS
THAT
THE
%PRIMARY
DUTY
O
F
OFFICERS
IS
T
O
%PRESERVE
THE
LIFE
OF
ALL
PEOPLE
%AND
USE
DEADLY
FORCE
AS A
LAST
%RESORT.
%THERE ARE
SOME
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PROVISIONS,%BUT THOSE
ARE
THE
TWO
MAIN
%PRONGS.%>>
I
THINK
THAT'S GOING
I
N
THE
%RIGHT
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%AGAIN, I
FOLLOWED
THE
CALIFORNIA
%LEGISLATION AND
THEY
HAD
T
O
WORK
%THAT
THROUGH,
THE
LANGUAGE, SO
%THAT IT
MET
THE
NEEDS.
%BUT WHAT I
T
COMES DOWN
TO,
ONE
%OF THE
THINGS
THAT WE
HAVE
LOST
%AS
IT
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USE
O
F
FORCE
I
N
%POLICING,
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LANGUAGE,
%STATUTORILY
LANGUAGE, SUPREME
%COURT
LANGUAGE,
THAT
REINFORCES
%THE
MORALITY, THE
ETHICS,
THE
%HUMANITY OF
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%AND
I
THINK
THAT
LEGISLATION
%THAT'S
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IS
TRYING%TO GET AT THAT.
%>>
VERY
BRIEFLY, WHAT
LEARNED
%WISDOM
WOULD
YOU
IMPART
ON
%CURRENT POLICE
OFFICERS
?
%>>
I
THINK
POLICING
HAS
REALLY
%EVOLVED.
%I THINK
WE'VE
MADE
GREAT
%STRIDES.
%BUT THE
LEARNED
WISDOM
IS
THAT
%IT'S CONSTANT.
%WE
LOSE
SOMETIMES
BECAUSE
WE
GET
%CAUGHT UP IN
THE
DAY-TO-DAY
PUSH
%OF THINGS.
%
I
MEAN,
WE'RE
OUT THERE
FIGHTING
%FIRES.%IT
IS A
DIFFICULT
JOB.
%
BUT
THE
THINGS THAT
ARE
%IMPORTANT ABOUT
OUR
PROFESSION,%BUILDING
TRUST,
CONNECTING
WITH
%PEOPLE,
PROCEDURAL
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YOU
%KNOW, THE
COMPETENCY
AND
THE
%CHARACTER THAT
IT
TAKES
T
O
DO
%THIS
JOB,
THE
GUARDIANSHIP WHICH
%WE'RE
ENTRUSTED
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THA
T
TAKES
%WORK
AND
IT'S
EVERY
DAY
AND
IT'S%HARD TO DO.
%AND
SO THAT I
S
SOMETHING
THAT
WE
%STILL HAVE
TO
EMPHASIZE
GHVMENT
%WE
LEAVE
I
T
THERE.
%NOBLE
WRAY, THANK
YOU
VERY
MUCH.%>> THANK
YOU.%>>
SO WHAT
IS
THE
SITUATION ON
%THE
GROUND
WITH
PRACTICING
COPS,
%THOSE STILL
RESPONDING
AND
%ENGAGING AND
MAKING
D
ECISIONS?
%FOR THAT
W
E
GO
TO GREEN
BAY
AND
%úCHECK IN
THERE
WITH
THE
CHIEF
OF
%POLICE, ANDREW SMITH.
%AND,
CHIEF, THANK YOU SO MUCH
%FOR
BEING
HERE.
%>> YOU'RE
WELCOME.
%GLAD TO BE
HERE.
%>>
SO I
HAVE
READ
THAT
YOU
%INTEND A
REFRESHER
COURSE
FOR
%YOUR OFFICERS IN
THE
USE
OF%FORCE IN
THE
WAKE
OF WHAT
%
HAPPENED IN
MINNEAPOLIS.
%HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU BELIEVE%
THAT KIND
OF
REGULAR
TRAINING IS
%FOR
YOUR
OFFICERS?
%>> I
THINK
IT'S
CRITICAL.
%I
THINK
OUR
OFFICERS
NEED
T
O
%KNOW
WHAT
THEIR JOB
IS.
%THEY NEED TO
KNOW
WHAT
THE
RULES
%ARE
FOR
THEIR
JOB.
%WE ALREADY STARTED
THAT.
%WE
MET WITH
ALL
OF
OUR
%SUPERVISORS JUST LAST
WEEK
AND
%WE
ALL
SAT
DOWN,
WENT OVER
THE
%MINNESOTA INCIDENT.
%WE
HAD
OUR
USE OF FORCE
TRAINERS%THERE
AND
THE
EXPECTATION
IS
%EVERY
OFFICER
WILL
RECEIVE A
%REFRESHER ON WHAT
HAPPENED
IN
%MINNEAPOLIS AND
WHAT
OUR
%EXPECTATIONS ARE
FOR
OUR
%OFFICERS.%>> D
O
YOUR
OFFICERS
USE
METHODS
%LIKE
HOLDING
HANDCUFFED
SUSPECTS
%DOWN
O
N
THEIR
NECKS?
%>>
NO.
%THAT'S
SPECIFICALLY
PROHIBITED
%BOY
OUR
POLICY.
%WE DO NOT DO
THAT.
%>>
AND
SO
I
F
YOU
HAD A
REFRESHER
%ON USE
OF
FORCE, WHAT
WERE
THE
%MOST
COGENT
TAKE-AWAYS
FROM
THAT
%FOR
YOUR
OFFICERS?
%>>
WELL,
W
E
GAVE
THEM
KIND
OF A
%LITTLE BIT
OF AN
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ABOUT
%WHY
WE'RE
ABLE
T
O
USE
FORCE,
%UNDER
WHAT
SITUATIONS
FORCE
IS
%APPROPRIATE.
%BUT ALSO
WE
TALKED
ABOUT
THE
%OFFICER
OVERRIDE.
%IF
YOU
SEE
ANOTHER
OFFICER
USING
%FORCE THAT'S
UNAUTHORIZED
O
R
%MISAPPLYING
FORCE, W
E
BELIEVE
%IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY
O
F
THOSE
%OFFICERS TO
STOP
THAT
FROM
%HAPPENING.
%AND THAT
WAS
REITERATED ALONG
%WITH
THE
BASIC RULES
OF
YOU
%DON'T PUT
YOUR
KNEE
O
N
SOMEONE'S
%NECK.
%YOU
DON'T
PUT
THEM DOWN TO THE
%GROUND AND
HOLD
THEM
DOWN
PINNED
%LIKE THAT.
%IF
SOMEONE'S
GASPING FOR
AIR OR
%CALLING FOR
HELP,
YOU
TAKE
THAT
%AS A SERIOUS
INCIDENT
THAT
NEEDS%TO BE
ACTED
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%>>
YOU
SAY LAW ENFORCEMENT
HAS A
%LONG
WAY TO G
O
IN TERMS
OF
%ACCOUNTABILITY.
%HOW
SO?
%
>>
WELL,
I
THINK
IT'S A
TOUGH
%JOB
OUT
THERE,
AND
THERE'S A
LOT
%OF
GREAT
OFFICERS
DOING
GREAT
%WORK EVERY
DAY.
%BUT
I
THINK
WE
ALL
COME ACROSS
%THE
BAD
APPLE
THAT
YOU HEAR
%ABOUT.
%WE
COME
ACROSS
OFFICERS WHO
HAVE%A LONG
HISTORY OF
GETTING IN
%TROUBLE.
%AND
I
THINK
IT'S
AWFUL
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%FIRE
SOMEONE,
QUITE
FRANKLY,
%THAT
NEEDS TO BE
FIRED HERE IN
%WISCONSIN.
%SO
I
THINK
IT'S
INCUMBENT
UPON
%THE
CHIEFS
OF
POLICE
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MAKE
%SURE THEY ARE
HOLDING
THEIR
%OFFICERS
ACCOUNTABLE.%WE
HAVE A
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AND
%FIRE
COMMISSION
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BAY
%THAT
HOLDS
M
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%I
THINK ACROSS
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%ACROSS THE
COUNTRY,
%ACCOUNTABILITY IS
LACKING
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%IT'S REALLY
TOUGH
T
O
FIRE A
BAD
%OFFICER.%>>
YOU
MARCHED
WITH
PROTESTERS
%IN YOUR
CITY
LAST
WEEKEND.
%
WHAT
WAS
THAT
LIKE
?
%>>
WELL,
IT'S
NOT
THE FIRST
TIME
%I'VE
MARCHED
WITH
PROTESTERS.
%COMING
FROM
LOS ANGELES, I'VE
%DONE
THAT
MANY
TIMES.
%BUT I
WAS
QUITE
HAPPY TO
BE
%INVITED INTO
THE
PROTEST
WHEN
%THEY ASKED
ME
TO
MARCH
WITH
%THEM.
%AND OF COURSE I
DID.
%AND
WHAT
REALLY I
WANTED T
O
DO
%WAS
HAVE
THE
OPPORTUNITY TO
%LISTEN TO
PEOPLE, T
O
HEAR
WHAT
%THEY
SAY,
TO
HEAR
WHAT
THEY'RE
%CONCERNED ABOUT.
%I
UNDERSTAND THEIR
ANGER
AND
%FRUSTRATION,
BUT I
WANTED
TO
%HEAR IT FROM
THE
PEOPLE WHO
ARE
%MARCHING.
%WHAT'S
ON
YOU
R
MIND.
%WHAT CAN
WE
DO
BETTER
AS A%POLICE
DEPARTMENT HERE
IN GREEN
%BAY.%>>
BEFORE THAT
YOU
COMMENTED
%ABOUT
HOW GEORGE
FLOYD
DIED
%SAYING IT
SICKENED
YOU
AND IT
%WAS
ONE OF
THE
MOST
HORRIBLE
%THINGS YOU
HAD
EVER
SEEN.
%WHILE
READING YOUR
ABOUT
HOW
YOU
%MARCHED
WITH
THE
PROTESTERS,
W
E
%ALSO CAME
UPON AN ARTICLE
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IT
%GIVES
ME
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P
LEASURE TO
RAISE
%THIS,
ABOUT A
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WHOSE
LOVED
%ONE WAS
KILLED
BY
POLICE
BULLETS
%IN
YOUR CITY AND
THEY
CALLED YOU
%OUT
FOR
YOUR
HYPOCRISY,
SAYING
%WE'RE
OUTRAGED AND
DEEPLY
%OFFENDED THAT
YOU
WOULD
USE
THIS
%TIME
O
F
TRAGEDY
TO
MAK
E
THOSE
%STATEMENTS, SAYING THAT YOUR
%DEPARTMENT IS
NOT
AT
FAULT,
THEY
%SAID, FOR
THE
SAME
UNJUST
%ACTIONS THAT
HAVE
OCCURRED TO
%GEORGE
FLOYD'S
FAMILY.
%WHAT
IS
YOUR
COMMENT
O
N
THAT?
%>>
WELL,
FIRST
O
F
ALL,
THERE'S A
%LAWSUIT
PENDING,
SO I
CAN'T
%SPEAK
ABOUT
ANY OF
THE
SPECIFICS
%OF
THAT
CASE.
%BUT
THESE
WERE
TWO
COMPLETELY
%DIFFERENT CASES.
%THIS ONE
HAS
ALREADY
BEEN
%REVIEWED.
%THE
ONE
IN GREEN BAY
HAS
ALREADY
%BEEN
REVIEWED
BY
THE DISTRICT
%ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,
WHO
DECLINED
%TO
PRESS
ANY
CHARGES, OF COURSE.
%SO THEY
ARE
TWO
VERY
DIFFERENT
%CASES.
%I
UNDERSTAND
THAT
FAMILY
IS
VERY
%UPSET.
%BUT,
AGAIN,
THERE'S A
LAWSUIT
%PENDING.
%I REALLY
CAN'T
TALK
ABOUT
ANY
%SPECIFICS OF
THAT.
%>> ALL
RIGHT.
%WELL,
CHIEF,
W
E
REALLY
%APPRECIATE YOU
JOINING
US
AND
WE
%WISH YOU
AND
YOUR
CITY
WELL.
%THANK
YOU SO MUCH.
%>>
GREAT.
%THANK
YOU.
%>>
EARLIER THIS
WEEK, MARISA
%WOJCIK
SAT
DOWN
WITH
THE
FOUNDER
%OF
URBAN
TRIAGE
AND
MADISON
%ORGANIZER BRANDI GRAYSON TO
HEAR
%WHAT
THEIR
DEMANDS
ARE.
%>>
CAN
YOU
DESCRIBE
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%THIS PAST
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%THE
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%LIKE AND
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%>>
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%POWERFUL
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%CROSS-GENERATIONAL,
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%CROSS
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%IT'S
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%BEAUTIFUL,
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%ARE REALLY FED
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%SYSTEMATIC
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%SUPREMACY AND
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%BLACK
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%AND
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%WAS
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%THE
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%CHASED
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%WITH
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%BEING
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%OPPRESSED AND
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%RIGHTS
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%THEM, SO
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%GROUND, IT
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%OF COMMUNITY AND
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%WE WILL
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%AND PROTECT
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%GOING
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%AND REAL
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%AND FOR
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I
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%WISCONSIN, REAL
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%PEOPLE,
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%CHILDREN,
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I
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%AND
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%FIRING MATT
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%MURDERED
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%SHOT
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%REAL
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I
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%TO
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%HUMAN
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%AND WHAT
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%IS COMMUNITY.
%AND WHAT
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%COMMUNITY
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%WE
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%POLICE
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%AND
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%COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGH
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%CITY
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%POLICE
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%AND
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%IS
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%IT
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%UP
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%AND THAT
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%POWER
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%DANE
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%PARISI
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%SO THEY
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%PEOPLE OUT.
%AND WHAT
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%PEOPLE OUT.
%SO WE
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%REALLY
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%AND A FAIR
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O
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%ABOUT
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%YOUR
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%FREEDOM, INC.
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%SOCIALISM AND
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%MADE THIS
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%ARE THESE
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%GENERALLY WITH
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%CALLING
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%>>
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%IT'S IN
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%MOVEMENT,
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%LIVES,
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%REPARATIONS FOR
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%REALLY BUILDING
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%THE
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%AND
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%WHEN WE
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%AND
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%PEOPLE WITH
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%RESOURCES
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%EVERYONE
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%GOING?
%WHAT DO YOU
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%OF
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%OR
D
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%PROTESTING EVERY DAY
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%AND
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%>> YOU
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%QUESTION.
%THAT'S
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O
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I
N
%POWER.
%IT'S
TOTALLY UP
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FEDERAL
%GOVERNMENT,
OUR
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%DEPARTMENT, OUR
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OUR
%LOCAL DANE COUNTY
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OUR
%SEVER.
% OUR%SHERIFF.
%IF
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%HAVE TO BE
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%I DON'T
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%ACTUAL STEPS
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%THIS
I
S
HISTORIC
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%THERE
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%ACROSS OUR
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%I DON'T SEE
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%I
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%ACTIONABLE
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%END
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%BODIES.
%THEY
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%AT ANY
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%THE
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%PROTESTERS ARE
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%IT'S
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%AND
IN
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GOING
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START
%DOING
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%BODIES?
%>> ALL
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%BRANDI
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%MUCH FOR
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US.
%>>
YOU'RE
WELCOME.%THANK
YOU.
%>>
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%GAPS
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%DESCRIBES THE
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%VOICES
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%MARGINALIZED ON
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%PRICED OUT OF
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%OVERCHARGED ON
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%OVER-POLICED.
%MICHAEL
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%CEO OF
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%DANE COUNTY
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%LYNCHING.
%DESCRIBE
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%AND
THE
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SERVE?
%>> YOU
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%A
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M
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%AND
M
E
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MET
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%UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.
%WE
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%UNIVERSITY
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F
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%PLAYED FOOTBALL AT
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%UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.
%HAD A FAMILY
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%SOUTHERN
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%I
IMMEDIATELY BROKE
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I
N
%TEARS.
%HE
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%I
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%TEARS.
%AND SO
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%DEVASTATING, IT
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%HEARTBREAKING.
%AND TO
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N
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%AND
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%CONTINUE
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%LOOK LIKE
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E
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%ACCEPTABLE.%>> THERE'S
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%THIS
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%THE USE
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%BUT
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Y
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%HAPPENED IN
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%SYMPTOM
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F
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%DEEPER?%>> YEAH.
%
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%RACISM
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%HAVE
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%WE
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%DISPARITIES, SYSTEMATIC
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%BUT
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%COUNTRY IS
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%INVESTMENT
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%RACISM.
%YOU
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ONLY
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%RACISM AS
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%FINANCIAL PRIORITY.
%A LOT
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%LOCAL
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%ABOUT
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%WHEN
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THEIR
MUNICIPAL
%BUDGET, IT
JUST
DOESN'T
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%WITH THE
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SO
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FUNDS
SHOULD
%THEY BE
PUTTING TOWARD
THINGS
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%MUNICIPAL
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%>> YOU
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YOU
KNOW,
%WISCONSIN.
%I
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%I'VE
LIVED
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TEN
YEARS.
%BUT
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%RACIAL
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50
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%AND THE
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%AFRICAN-AMERICAN KIDS AND
OTHER
%KIDS
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%SAME
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%COUNTERPARTS
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%LACK OF
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%MACED
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%PLACED
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%SO
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%ITSELF.%WHEN YOU
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%DISPARITIES
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%RESOURCES FOR
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%FAMILIES
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%COLOR,
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%KIND
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%NEEDED
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%TIMES
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%PEOPLE
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%NECESSARILY
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%SUPPORT TO BE
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D
O
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%WORK
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%THAT
A
S
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%INSTITUTIONALIZED
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%>>
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%--
JUST
GO
LOOK
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THE
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%DIRECTORS
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OUR
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%HERE.
%LOOK
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C
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I
N
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%LOOK
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%RUN
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N
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%STATE.
%LOOK AT
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%WHEN
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%AND
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%SYSTEMATIC
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%WHEN
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%FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES
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%THESE
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%SYSTEMATIC
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%AND SO
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%THAT
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%IN
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%COUNTRY THAT WE
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%ADDRESS.
%OR WHAT
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%TALKING
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%20 YEARS
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%HAVE NOT
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%INVESTMENTS, WE HAVE
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%WITH
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%THE
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%ERADICATE THESE
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%ADDRESS OUR
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%HAPPENED ACROSS
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%HERE AT
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%SOME HAVE
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%SOME
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%ABOUT
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%WHEREAS YOU
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%PROTESTS,
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%READYING
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%PEACEKEEPERS.
%WHAT
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%>> YEAH.
%SO ONE OF
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%CONCERNED
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%WHEN I
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%HAPPENED
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%VERY
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%IT WAS
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%YOU
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%PEOPLE, YOUNG
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%
I WAS
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%THE
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OUT
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%MY BIKE
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%I
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%SEEING.
%I
SAW
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O
%BREAK INTO
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%IT'S
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%
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%OF
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%PROMOTE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.%SO
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%TO SUPPORT
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%THERE
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%THERE IF
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%ISSUE, TO BE
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%WORKERS,
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%IF
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%WE
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%DEESCALATE THOSE
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%ISSUES.
%AND
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%I'M
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%LET
ME
SAY
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%
THAT
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BEE
N
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O
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%PEACEFUL
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%WE
ASK
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POLICE
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%DEMILITARIZE
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%HE
LISTENED.
%BECAUSE WE HAVE
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%THAT
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%IT HAS BEEN
VERY,
VERY
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%THE
LAST TWO
DAYS.
%>>
WITH
JUST
ABOUT A
MINUTE
%LEFT, WHAT IS
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AS
WE
%MOVE FORWARD
FROM
THIS?
%>> I'M
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%TO GEORGE FLOYD
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%AGAIN.%WHAT
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ERIC
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I
N
%NEW YORK
NEVER
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%I HOPE
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REALLY
%NOT ONLY
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%AND
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%ON.
%I
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AS A
%NATION
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%PEOPLE
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%LOT OF
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%WHO HAVE
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%IT'S GOING
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%LOOK LIKE
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PEOPLE
THAT
%LOOK
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E
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%INFLUENCE TO
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%CRITICAL
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OUR
%COUNTRY.%>>
W
E
LEAVE
IT
THERE.
%MICHAEL
J
OHNSON, THANK
YOU
VERY
%MUCH FOR
JOINING
US.
%>> THANK
YOU
F
OR
HAVING
ME.
%>>
FOR
MORE
INFORMATION ON
THE
%WISCONSIN RESPONSE
T
O
THE
DEATH
%OF GEORGE FLOYD
AND
CALLS
FOR
%ACTION
AND
REFORM, HEAD
T
O
OUR
%ONLINE NEWS
SOURCE
AT
%pbswisconsin.org
AND
THEN
CLICK
%ON
NEWS.
%THANK
YOU
FOR
WATCHING "HERE AND%NOW."%ST
AY
TUNED
NEXT
FOR
"RACE
%MATTERS:
AMERICA
IN
CRISIS," A
%PBS
"NEWSHOUR" SPECIAL
STARTING%AT
8:00.
%WE'LL SEE
YOU
NEXT
WEEK.
%I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
%STAY WELL AND
HAVE A
GREAT
%WEEKEND.
%>>
FUNDING
FOR "HERE AND
NOW"
IS
%PROVIDED B
Y
THE
FOCUS
FUND
FOR
%JOURNALISM AND
FRIENDS