%
>> A PBS WISCONSIN
ORIGINAL
% PRODUCTION.
% THE FOLLOWING
PROGRAM IS
PART
OF
% OUR "HERE AND NOW"
2
020
ELECTION
% COVERAGE.
% >>
I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT
ON "HERE AND
NOW," ZAC
% SCHULTZ TAKES
U
S
T
O
MILWAUKEE
% FOR COVERAGE
OF
THI
S
WEEK'S
% TRUMP
CAMPAIGN
RALLY.
% NEW
P
OLL
NUMBERS
SHO
W
HOW
% DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY
CANDIDATES
% STACK
U
P
AGAINST PRESIDENT% TRUMP.
% EXPERT
INCITE
INSIGHT
INTO
PURGING
% WISCONSIN VOTERS FROM
THE
ROLLS.
% AND
STATE SUPREME
C
OURT
% CANDIDATE JILL KAROFSKY IS
HER
E.% >>
FUND
ING
IS
PROVIDED
B
Y
T
HE
% FOCUS
F
UND
F
OR
JOURNALISM
AND
% PBS WISCONSIN.
% >>
THE
IMPEACHMENT
TRIAL
OF% DONALD
TRUMP
TRANSITIONED
FROM
% THE LOWER
HOUSE UP TO
THE
SNUT
% SENATE,
W
HERE
CHRNLINGS
CHARGES
OF
ABUSE
% OF
POWER WILL
BE
TR
IED.
% MEANWHILE, THE
PRESIDENT
I
N
% WISCONSIN THIS
YEA
R,
WHERE
THE
% TOPIC
OF
IMPEACHMENT BARELY
CAM
E
% UP.
% "HERE AND NOW"
REPORTER ZAC% SCHULTZ WAS
THERE.% >>
DONALD
J
.
TRUMP.% >>
TUESDAY
NIGHT, DONALD TRUMP
% WAS
WELCOMED BY A
STANDING
% OVATION
I
N
DOWNTOWN
MILWAUKEE.% >>
HELLO,
MILWAUKEE.
% HELLO.%>>
A
TRUMP
CAMPAIGN
RALLY
ALWAYS
% FOCUSES MORE ON
THE
RALLY
THAN
% THE CAMPAIGN.%>>
Y
O
U
GOTTA
LOVE
TRUMP.
% >>
EVE
N BEFORE
THE
PRESIDENT'S
% ARRIVAL,
WISCONSIN
SENATOR RON
% JOHNSON TOLD
THE
CROWD
TO
% PREPARE FOR A
N
EXPERIENCE.% >>
BUT DONALD
TRUMP
IS
DIFFERENT
% AND DONALD TRUMP I
S
GOING
T
O
% COME HERE.
% HE'S GOING TO
INSPIRE
YOU A
ND
% HE'S GOING
T
O
ENTERTAIN
Y
OU
A
% YOU'RE GOING
T
O
LEAVE
I
N A
% REALLY GOOD
MO
OD.
% >>
THAT'
S
EXACTLY
WHY SO MANY
IN
% THE
CROWD
WAITE
D
IN
L
IN
E
FOR
% HOURS TO
GET A
FRONT
ROW
SEAT.
% >>
THE
ENERGY,
THE
PEOPLE.
% I LOVE I
T.
% IT'S
CLOSE
TO
H
OME,
SO
SOMETHING
% TO DO
ON A
TUESDAY
NIGHT.
% NOTHING
BETTER
THAN A
TRUMP
% RALLY
O
N
A
TUESDAY
NIGHT,
BABY.
% HOOH!
% >>
WE'RE
LOOKING
FOR
EXCITEMENT% AND
HE'
S
GOING
TO SUPPLY
IT
.
% >>
T
HE
CROWD
PROVIDED THEIR
O
WN
% EXCITEMENT
DOING
THE
WAVE
A
ND
% CHANTING
"FOUR M
ORE
YEARS."
% >>
GREAT.
% IT'S
BETTER
THAN A
B
ALL
GAME.
% >>
I
S
THERE
EVER,
EVER
B
ETTER A
% PLACE TO
B
E
THAN A
TRUMP
RALLY?
% >>
TRUMP
SPENT H
IS
T
IME
TALKING
% ABOUT
HIS
ACCOMPLISHMENTS
IN
% OFFICE,
CRITICIZING
HIS
% OPPONENTS AND THE
MEDIA.
% >>
ANYTHING
I
SAY THAT
IS
% SLIGHTLY
FALSE,
IT'S
HEADLINES.
% THESE
PEOPLE.
% HE SAID
THIS.
% THIS IS
ONE
OF
THE
GREATEST --
I
% WOULD SAY THIS.
% THIS IS
THE
G
REATEST
MOVEMENT IN
% THE
HISTORY
O
F
O
UR
COUNTRY.% >>
BUT
TRUMP
SAY
S THINGS
THAT
% ARE
S
LIGHTLY
FALSE,
AS
H
E
% ACKNOWLEDGES, AND THINGS
THAT
% ARE
BLATANTLY
FALSE,
LIKE
THE
% 15,000
FALSE
O
R
MISLEADING
% CLAIMS
TRACKED
BY
THE WASHINGTON
% POST
THROUGH
DECEMBER LAST YEAR.
% HE
REPEATED
ANOTHER LIE
TUESDAY
% REGARDING WHETHER
MEXICO IS
% PAYING FOR
T
HE
WALL.%
>>
TH
EY
THINK
THE
Y
CAUGHT ME.
% THEY
NEVER
CATCH
US.
% MEXICO IS
P
AYING FOR
THE
WALL.
% YOU KNOW
THAT.
% YOU'LL SEE
THAT.
% IT
WILL
W
OR
K
OUT.
% >> MEXICO
IS
NOT
PAYING
FOR
THE
% WALL.
% TRUMP
IS
ACTUALLY
DIVERTING
% MONEY
A
WA
Y
F
ROM
THE
MILITARY
FOR
% THE RECONSTRUCTION THAT'S
% UNDERWAY, SOMETHING
HE
% ACKNOWLEDGED
JUST AN
HOUR
LATER
% IN
THE
SAM
E
SPEECH.
% >>
A
VERY
BIG
AND
POWERFUL
% BORDER
WALL
I
S
GOING
U
P
AT A
% RECORD
SP
EED
AND
WE'RE
FULLY
% FINANCED
NOW
.
% ISN'T THAT
NICE?
% THAT
WAS
N'T
EASY.
% >>
YOU
GOTTA
LOVE
HIM.
% HE I
S
WHAT
HE
IS.
% >>
B
UT
MANY
TRUMP
SUPPORTERS
% DON'T WORRY
ABOUT A FACT
CHECK
% BECAUSE THEY
CONSIDER
H
IM TO
BE
% EMOTIONALLY
HONEST.
% >>
100
%
HONEST.
% WHATEVER
IS
G
OING
THROUGH
HIS
% BRAIN
COMES
RIGHT OUT O
F
HIS
% MOUTH
AND
SOMETIMES
RIGHT
ONTO
% TWITTER.%>>
THAT'S A CHARACTER TRAIT THEY
% CAN
SUPPORT.
% >> Y
OU
CAN'T
HOLD
HIM
% ACCOUNTABLE
FOR
EVERY
LITTLE
% MISTAKE THAT
COMES OUT
OF
H
IS
% MOUTH A
ND THAT
IS
BLUNT
HONESTY
% RIGHT THERE.
% THAT'S WHAT I
'M
VOTING
FOR.
% >>
REPORTING F
ROM
MILWAUKEE,
I'M% ZAC
SCHULTZ
FOR "HERE AND NOW."
% >>
F
OUR
M
ORE
YEARS!
% FOUR
MORE
YEARS!
% FOUR
MORE
YEARS!
% >>
NEW
STATEWIDE POLL
NUMBERS
% WERE
RELEASED
THE
SAME
WEEK
AS% PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S VISIT
TO
THE
% BADGER
STATE,
NUMBERS THAT
SHOW
% THE
MIXED
FEW OF TH
E
INCUMBENT
% AND HIS
POLICIES.
% IN
TONIGHT'S
CLOSER
LOOK,
WE
GO
% OVER THE RESULTS OF
T
HE
NEW
% MARQUETTE
L
AW
SCHOOL
POLL
WITH
% POLL
DIRECTOR
C
HARLES
FRANKLIN.
% THANKS A LOT
F
OR
BEING
HERE.% >>
GOOD TO
HERE.
% >> I
N
O
UR
FIRST POLL QUESTION
H
E
% THAT WE
CHOSE,
APPROVAL
OF% PRESIDENT
%
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
HANDLING
OF
% FOREIGN POLICY.
% 44%
APPROVE
.
% 53%
DISAPPROVE YOU
FOUND.
% HOW
MUC
H
DOES
THIS
DISAPPROVAL,
% DO Y
OU
SUPPOSE, TRANSFERS
T
O
T
HE
% VOTING
BOOTH
?% >>
WELL,
WE'LL
SEE
.
% FOREIGN
POLICY
IS
H
IS
WEAKEST
% AREA
OF
EVALUATION,
WHERE
THE
% ECONOMY
IS
HIS
STRONGEST.
% WE DIDN'T
SEE
A
NY
B
UMP
I
N
THE
% FOREIGN POLICY
VIEWS AS A
RESULT% OF
THE
MILITARY
EXCHANGE
WITH
% IRAN.
% WE WERE
COMPLETELY IN
THE
FIELD
% AFTER
THA
T
OCCURRED.
% BUT
HIS
APPROVAL
ON
FOREIGN
% POLICY
WAS
EXACTLY
THE
SAME
AS
% TWO
MONTHSING
MONTHS
AGO
.
% IT
W
AS
ONE
POINT
HIGHER
THAN IT
% WAS A MONTH
AG
O.
% OVER
THO
SE
THRE
E
POLLS,
YOU
JUST
% DON'T
A
NY
CHANGE AT
ALL.
% FOREIGN POLICY
IS ONE
OF
THOSE
% THINGS THAT
IN AN
EMERGENCY CAN
% BECOME A
REALLY
IMPORTANT ISSUE
% FOR
THE
PUBLIC.
% BUT FOR MOST OF
THE
TIME,
IT'S A
% SECONDARY
CONSIDERATION.% >>
SPEAKING
OF
FOREIGN
POLICY,
% OUR
NEXT
SLIDE
SHOWS WHETHER OR% NOT
Y
OUR
RESPONDENTS
THOUGHT
% THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP
DID
% SOMETHING WRONG I
N
DEALING
W
ITH
% UKRAINE.
% 40% SAID
TH
EY D
ID
BELIEVE
THAT.
% 37%
B
ELIEVED
THEY
DID
N
OT.
% THERE'S
POLARITY
IN
TH
ESE
% NUMBERS THAT
SEE
MS
T
O
KIND
OF
% MATCH
THE
ELECTORATE.% >>
A
ND
AGAIN
THE
VERY
STABLE
% RESULTS ON
THI
S.
% IT'S
B
EEN
NO CARRIER
RING
CONNECT 38400
UNDERWAY,
W
E
% ASKED SHOULD
THE
SENATE
CONVICT
% AND
REMOVE
HIM
FROM
OFFICE
OR
% SHOULD
THEY
EXONERATE
HIM
.
% 44%, CONVICT
AND
R
EMOVE.
% 49%,
E
XONERATE.
% SO A
FIVE-POINT
GAP
.
% BEFORE THE
HOUSE
VOTED,
W
E
H
AD
% ABOUT
4
0%
WHO
SAI
D
HE SHOULD
BE
% IMPEACHED AND
REMOVED.
% A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
% SO
MAYBE
SUPPORT
FOR
R
EMOVAL
I
S
% UP A LITTLE
B
IT,
B
UT
BECAUSE
% WE'VE
WORDED
THE
QUESTION
% DIFFERENTLY NO
W T
HAT
THE
HOUSE
% HAS ALREADY
VOTED,
IT'S
NOT
% EXACTLY
COMPARABLE.% >> LET'S
TAKE
A LOOK
AT
TH
E
% DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATES
RUNNING
% FOR
PRESIDENT.
% TOP
FOUR
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY
% PICKS, JOE
BIDEN,
23%
.
% BERNIE
SANDERS,
19%.
% PETE
BUTTIGIEG,
15%,
WARREN,
% 14%.
% ANY
SURPRISES
HERE?
% >>
NO.
% THE
T
OP
FOUR HAVE BEEN
THE
TOP
% FOUR
FOR
THE
LAST FIVE
MONTHS,
% FOUR
MONTHS,
A
T
LEAST.
% THE
TOP
T
HREE
HERE
ARE
EXACT
L
IP
% THE
E
XACTLY
% THE
S
AME
PERCENTAGES
BEFORE
% CHRISTMAS.
% IT'S LIKE
PEOPLE WENT
AWAY
FOR
% THE
HOLIDAYS AND
DIDN'T
REALLY
% THINK
ABOUT
THE
H
OLIDAYS.
% ELIZABETH WARREN
I
S
DOWN
T
WO
% POINTS
FROM
WHERE SHE
WA
S
LAS
T
% TIME,
SO SHE
WAS
IN
THIRD
PLACE,
% NOW IN
FOUR
TH,
B
UT
ONE
POINT
% DIFFERENT.
% I THINK
THE
B
IG
STORY
H
ERE
IS
% 60% STILL
SAY
THEY
MIGHT
CHANGE
% THEIR
M
IND
OF
DEMOCRATIC
PRIMARY
% VOTERS.
% THAT'S A LITTLE LESS
TH
AN
THE
% 65% WE
HAD A
MONTH
AGO.
% SO MAYBE
PEOPLE ARE
FIRMING
U
P
% THEIR
VIEWS A LITTLE B
IT.
% BUT THE REAL
ACTION I
S
GOING T
O
% COME
AFT
ER
IOW
A
DOES
THEIR
FIRST% VOTE I
N
THE
CAUCU
S IN A
LITTLE
% OVER TWO
WEE
KS
A
ND
WHEN NEW
% HAMPSHIRE VOTES.
% BY
THE
TIME
WE
T
AL
K
TO
PEOPLE
I
N
% FEBRUARY, THIS RACE WILL
B
E A
% LOT
MORE CLEAR
ABOUT
WHAT
ACTUAL
% VOTERS ARE
SAYING
I
N
THE
EARLY
% EVENTS.%>>
LET'S
TAKE
A LOOK
A
T
THE
% GENERAL
ELECTION
MATCH-UPS.
% YOU
SHOW
JOE
BIDEN,
49%,
TRUMP
% 45%.%ELIZABETH
WARREN,
TRUMP
4
8.
% PETE
BUTTIGIEG,
4
AND
T
RUMP
4
6.
% ALL THESE
NUMBERS
ARE
WITHIN
THE
% MARGIN
OF
ERROR, YET
BIDEN
% CONSISTENTLY ON
TOP.
% >>
BIDEN HAS
B
EEN
CONSISTENTLY
% RUNNING
AGAINST
TRUMP
IN
% POLLING SINCE
OCTOBER, REALLY
% SINCE AUGUST.
% BUT
THE
DEGREE TO
WHICH
HE
D
OES
% WELL HAS
VARIED.
% WE'VE
S
EEN
TRUMP A
LITTLE BI
T
% AHEAD OF
BIDEN,
ABOUT
FOUR
% MONTHS
AGO
, BUT
BIDEN
HAS
% STEADILY
IMPROVED OVER THE
LAST
% FOUR
POLLS.
% BERNIE SANDERS
H
AS
I
MPROVED A% BIT.
% THE
OTHERS HAVE BEEN A
LITTLE
% BIT
MORE
MIXED,
MOSTLY
JUST
% BOUNCING AROUND.
% I
THINK
THE
REA
L
STORY
IS
IT'S A
% BATTLEGROUND STATE.
% THESE
ARE
A
LL
INSIDE
THE
MARGIN
% OF
ERROR.
% THERE'S
BEEN A
LITTLE
BIT
OF
% GROWTH
IN
SUPPORT
FOR
BIDEN
AND
% FOR
S
ANDERS,
EITHER
STABILITY
OR
% SLIGHT
SHRINKAGE
FOR
BUTTIGIEG
% AND
WARREN.
% >>
51%
APPROVE,
44%
DISAPPROVE.
% HOW
DO
THES
E
STACK U
P
F
OR
T
HE
% GOVERNOR?%>>
PRETTY
DECENT.
% THE
5
1
I
S
ABOUT
ABOVE
50%.
% THE
NET
APPROVAL
I
S P
RETTY
GOOD.
% IF YOU WANT
T
O
CONTRAST
HIM
WITH% GOVERNOR
WALKER, HE WAS
USUALLY
% BETWEEN
4
8
A
ND
50
OR
51%.
% RARELY
O
VER
50%,
ACTUALLY.
% BUT WALKER
HAD A
HIGHER
% PERCENTAGE THAT
D
ISAPPROVED% THROUGH
MUCH
OF
HIS
FIRST
TERM.
% EVERS
HAS
BENEFITED
BY
HAVING
% DISAPPROVAL IN THE
30s
TO
LOW
% 40s AS
W
E
SEE
THIS
TIME, A
NET
% PLUS
11.
% >> ALL
RIGHT.
% CHARLES
FRANKLIN, THANKS
VERY% MUCH FOR
YOU
R
WORK.
% >> THANK YOU.
%
>>
NOW
TO AN
INSIDE
L
OO
K
AT AN
% EVOLVING LEGAL
CAS
E,
THE
RESULTS
% OF
WHICH
M
AY
R
ESULT
IN
HUNDREDS
% OF
THOUSANDS
OF
WISCONSIN VOTERS
% GETTING
PURGED
FROM
THE
STATE
% REGISTRATION ROLLS.
% THESE
ARE
VOTERS
THE
STATE
% ELECTIONS COMMISSION
BELIEVES
% HAVE
CHANGED
ADDRESS.
% THE
COMMISSION IS
LEGALLY
% REQUIRED TO
SEN
D A
NOTICE
TO
% THESE VOTERS
ASKING
THE
M
T
O
%
CONFIRM THEIR
CURRENT
A
DDRESS.
% THOSE
WHO DO NOT
RESPOND
ARE TO
% BE
REMOVE
D
FROM
THE
REGISTRATION
% ROLLS.
% THERE
ARE MORE
THAN
200,000
SUC
H% VOTERS.
% A LOT
HAPPENED
THIS
WEEK.
% AN
OZAUKEE
COUNTY
JUDGE
H
ELD
% PEOPLE
IN
CONTEMPT
O
F
COURT F
OR
% DIS'HE
% DISOBEYING HIS
RECORD.
% A
LOT
O
F
PEOPLE'S
VOTER
% REGISTRATIONS ARE ON THE
LINE.
% AND A L
OT
T
O
UNPACK
WIT
H
% UW-MADISON
PROFESSOR
O
F
% POLITICAL
SCIENCE
DAVID
CANON.
% THANKS
FOR
BEING
HERE.
% >>
GOOD TO
BE
HERE.
% >>
S
O
IT COULD BE SAID
THAT THIS
% IS
ALL
E
M
BRAILD
I
N
THE
BOILED IN
EMBROILED
I
N
THE
COURTS
% AND
CONTROVERSY,
BUT IT
IS
ON
% HOLD
FOR THE
MOMENT.
% HOW
INTERESTING IS IT
TO YOU
% THAT
THE
STATE SUPREME COURT
% DECLINED TO
T
AKE
THIS
CASE AT% THIS TIME?%>>
I
THI
NK
IT'S
VERY
% INTERESTING.
% A L
O
T
OF
PEOPLE
WERE
EXPECTING
% THEM TO
GE
T
QUICK
RESOLUTION.
% IT
GUARANTEES
THIS
WILL
DRAG
% WELL
I
NT
O
THE
YEAR,
MAYBE
P
AS
T
% THE
NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.
% NOW THERE WILL
BE A
HEARING
AT
% THE
APPEALS
COURT
LEVEL.
% PLUS WE HAVE
THE
PARALLEL
CASE
% IN
FEDERAL
COURT RIGHT
N
OW
.
% THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE
T
HAT
WON'T
% HAVE
A
NY
FINAL
LEGAL
RESOLUTION
% TO THIS
UNTIL AFTER
THE
% NOVEMBER ELECTION, WHICH INDEED
% WAS THE
COMMISSION'S
ORIGINAL
% INTENT
ANYWAY,
I
S
TO
NOT
REMOVE
% THOSE
VOTERS
UNTIL AFTER
T
HE
% ELECTION.%THIS MA
Y
BE
T
HE
WAY
I
T
WIL
L
PLAY
% OUT.%>>
IT
LEAVES THESE
V
OTERS,
THE
% RECIPIENTS
O
F
THESE
LEADERS,
% POTENTIALLY CONFUSED.
% >>
WEL
L,
RIGHT.
% ESPECIALLY THE
PEOPLE
WHO
% HAVEN'T
MOV
ED
.
% LIKE
ARE
THEY OKAY
O
R NOT
?
% ARE
THEY
GOING TO
B
E
R
EMOVED
% FROM
THE
ROL
LS
OR
D
O
THEY
NEED
% TO REPLY
TO
UPDATE
THEIR
STATUS
% WITH
VOTER
REGISTRATION?% >> YOU
SAID
THAT
THIS
% CIRCUMSTANCE IS
RIGHT OUT
O
F A
% BOOK CALLED
"TH
E
VOTING
WARS."
% HOW
S
O?
% >>
THERE'S A
BOOK
BY
ONE OF
THE
% NATION'S
EXPERTS ON
VOTING
% PROCEDURES WHO
MADE
THIS
% ARGUMENT
THAT
ADMINISTRATION
% ELECTIONS
USED TO
B
E
NONCON
% NONCONTROVERSIAL.
% BUT IN
THE
LAST
DECADE
THIS
HAS
% BECOME A
PARTISAN
BATTLEFIELD
% WHERE
REPUBLICANS
HAVE
FOCUSED
% ON
ELECTION
INTEGRITY AND
% FIGHTING
VOTER
FRAUD.
% DEMOCRATS FOCUS ON
GETTING
MOR
E
% ACCESS
T
O
T
HE
POLLS.
% SO WHAT YOU
YOU
SE
E
REPLAYED
OVE
R
% AND
OVER
AGAIN
I
S
VOTER I.D.
% LAWS
AND
RESTRICTING
A
CCESS
TO
% EARLY
V
OTING T
O
T
RY
TO
LIMIT
% VOTING,
WHEREAS
DEMOCRATS ARE
% TRYING
TO
DO
THE
OPPOSITE.
% SO THIS
IS AN
EXAMPLE
OF ONE
OF
% THOSE
KINDS
OF
EFFORTS
AIMED
AT
% TRYING
TO
EITHER PREVENT
PEOPLE
% FROM
VOTING AS
EASILY
O
R
% ALLOWING
PEOPLE TO
VOTE.
% AND SO
ON
A
CONTINUUM OF
T
HE
% MOST
EGREGIOUS
VOTER
SUPPRESSION
% TO TH
E
NOT
A
S
HARMFUL,
I
WOULD
% PUT
THIS ON
TH
E
MORE
NORMAL
% POLITICS SID
E O
F
THINGS.
% EVERYONE
NEE
DS
TO
UPDATE
VOTER
% ROLLS.
% THE
QUESTION
I
S ONE
O
F
TIMING.
% DO
W
E
DO
THIS
RIGHT
AWAY
OR
WAI
T
% UNTIL AFTER
THE
% NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, WHAT
THE
% COMMISSION WANTED
TO
DO.
% >>
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IF
% IMPEACHMENT IS
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A
S
YOU'VE
% SAID, A
POLITICAL
PROCESS, HOW
% DOES THE OATH
O
F
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% TAKEN
B
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SQUARE
WITH% THAT
TODAY?
% >>
THAT'
S A GOOD
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% WE
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JAMES
MADISON'S
% VIEW OF
TH
IS.
% HIS
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R
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% PARTISAN POLITICS
E
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% PROCESS OF
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% WE'VE DEFINITELY
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% HAPPEN F
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M
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NE
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MITCH
% MCCONNELL SAYING
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% BE
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% PRESIDENT.
% THAT DOESN'T
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% IMPARTIAL JUROR
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% BUT
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% INDICATED THAT
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% LIKELY T
O
VOT
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% AND SO
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ERA
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% POLITICS, THE
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% IMPARTIAL JURORS
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% IT'S NOT
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% THE
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Y% DO
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ULL
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I
F
% SENATOR
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I
T
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% TEE
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% DETAIL
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F
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OW
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% TRIAL WILL BE
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% WE HAVE
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F
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% IMPEACHMENTS
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ANDREW
JOHNSON
% AND BILL
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% WITNESSES
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% FULL
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% EVIDENCE ON
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% SENATE
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% PRACTICES RATHER THAN
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% CONSTITUTION
ITSEL
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WE'
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% ANY
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OW
CHIEF
JUSTICE
% JOHN
ROBER
TS
WILL
SEE
H
IS
ROLE?
% BECAUSE HE
THE
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% OFFICER.%>>
RIGHT.
% >>
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T
% COMES
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O
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% 50-50
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IE
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% CALLING OF
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% >> WHAT
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S H
E
% GOING T
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% EXAMPLE OF
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% WAS VER
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% HE MADE
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D
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AND% BREAK
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% WHEREAS
I
N
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% CLEAVE JUSTICE
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% THE
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% SPECTRUM.%HE WAS NOT
TH
AT
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N
% MAKING CRITICAL
DECISIONS.
% AFTERWARDS HE
QUOTED ONE
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HIS
% FAVORITE LINES WHERE
HE
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I
% DID NOTHING
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PARTICULAR AND I
% DID
IT
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% SOME
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IDE
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% POSITION
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IE
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Y
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% RIGHT
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S
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% TODAY ON
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% CHANCES IT COULD
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AVE
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% WOULD
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EE
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% THAT
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UTS
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T
50.
% SO
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H
AVE
TO
% BREAK THAT
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ONE
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% OTHER.%>> ALL
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% DAVID
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Y
M
UCH
.
% PRIMARY ELECTION
DAY
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% FEBRUARY 18 AND
WE
TUR
N
NOW
TO
% OUR
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SER
IES
WITH
% CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR
THE
STATE% SUPREME COURT.
% TWO WEEKS
AGO,
WE
TALKED
W
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% INCUMBENT
JUSTICE
DANIEL
KELLY,
% LAST
WEE
K
MARQUETTE
L
AW
SCHOOL
% PROFESSOR ED
FALLONE.
% TONIGHT
WE INTRODUCE
Y
OU
TO JILL
% KAROFSKY.
% SHE
CURRENTLY
S
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AS A DANE
% COUNTY
CIRCUIT
COURT
JUDGE,
THE
% FORMER
EXECUTIVE OF
THE
% WISCONSIN OFFICE OF
CRIME
VICTIM
% SERVICES AND
SHE'S A
F
ORMER
% STATE
ASSISTANT ATTORNEY
% GENERAL.
% JILL KAROFSKY JOINS
U
S
NOW.
% THANKS
VERY
MUCH
F
OR
BEING
HERE.
% >>
THANKS SO MUCH
F
OR
HAVING ME
% HERE.%>>
WE JUST
WAN
T T
O
ASK
YOU
W
HY
% VOTERS
SHOULD
ELECT
YOU TO
THE
% STATE SUPREME
COURT.
% >>
V
OTERS
SHOULD
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M
E
% BECAUSE I HAVE
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EXPERIENCE, I% HAVE
THE
VALUES
AND I
HAVE
THE
% ENERGY
TO
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HIS
% ELECTION, BUT
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B
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% SUPREME COURT.
% I'M
THE
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THIS
RAC
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% WHO IS
OR
WHO
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% TRIAL
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% I
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T
HA
N
1700
% CASES LAST YEAR.
% I
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VERY
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OW
T
HE
LAW
% IMPACTS REAL PEOPLE.
%
I ALSO
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% PROSECUTOR.
% I
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OW TO
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N
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% I
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% PROTECTING
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF
% VICTIMS,
OF
WITNESSES,
OF
% DEFENDANTS, OF MEMBERS
OF
OUR
% COMMUNITY.
% I
ALSO HAVE
BEEN
A
VICTIM
% ADVOCATE, AS YOU
MENTIONED.
% I
WAS
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'
S
FIRST
VIOLENCE
% AGAINST
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% PROSECUTOR AND
I
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% IN
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N
THI
S
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% GET THE
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TH
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% THAT THEY
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AND
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H
O
F
% EXPERIENCE
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T WE
N
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THE% SUPREME
COURT.
% >>
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OU
S
AY
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% JUSTICES
ARE
ACTING
LIKE
% POLITICIANS.
% HOW
S
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?
% >>
AS
I'V
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BEEN
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% THE STATE
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O
VOTERS,
I
% HEAR THE
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THING.
% WHAT THEY
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ARE
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% MAKE
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BEFORE
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% EVER
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STATE% SUPREME
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% THEY
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% CORPORATIONS THAN IN
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ATER
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% POLLUTERS.
% THEY
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ALL
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LS
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% PEOPLE,
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HAVE
I
S% A
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COURT
WHO
MAKES
% DECISIONS EVERY TIME H
E
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T
HE
% OPPORTUNITY
TO
FOR
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% FOR
TH
E
WEALTHY AND
FOR
TH
E
% RIGHT
WING
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INTERESTS
% THAT
WORKED
HARD TO
GET
HIM
ON
% THE COURT
A
ND
I
S
WORKING HARD TO
% KEEP
HIM ON
THE
COURT.
% >>
WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE
OF A
C
AS
E
% LIKE
THAT
?% >> IF
YOU
LOO
K
A
T
-
- THERE
W
AS A
% CASE
IN
2016
DEALING
WITH
THE
% ADMINISTRATIVE RULES AT
THE
% DEPARTMENT
OF PUBLIC
% INSTRUCTION, AT
DPI.
% AND THE
COURT
RULED ONE
WAY
I
N
% 2016.
% IN
2019
WIT
H
DAN
KELLY ON THE
% COURT,
THE
COURT
RULED
180
% DEGREES
DIFFERENT DIRECTION.% THE ONLY THI
NG THAT
CHANGED ON
% THE COURT
-
AND THIS WAS
WHA
T
%
JUSTICE ANNUAL
SHALL
WALSH-BRADLEY
WROTE, THE
% ONLY
THING
THAT
CHANGED
WAS
THE
% MAKEUP OF THE
COURT.
% SO WHAT WE
HAVE I
S A
COURT
WHO
% WANTS
TO
CHANGE
THE
LAW
.
% HOW ARE WE
HE
IN
WISCONSIN
% SUPPOSED
TO
K
NOW
WHAT
THE
LAW
IS
% IF THREE YEARS
AFTER A
DECISION
% THEY RUL
E
180
DEGREES
THE
OTHER
% WAY?%>> DO
YOU
F
EEL
LIKE
RECUSAL
% RULES NEED TO B
E
STRICTER?
% >> I
THINK WE
NEED TO
HAVE A
% RECUSAL RULE.
% WE
DON'T
H
AVE A RULE.
% YES.
% WE NEED A RULE.
% IT'S
WHAT'S
FAIR
TO
VOTERS
A
ND
% CANDIDATES IN THE STATE.
% IT'S WHAT
IS
FAIR
TO
JUDGES
AND
% JUSTICES
I
N
THE
STATE.
% JUSTICES
HAD
THE
CHANCE
T
O
CRAFT
% A
RULE
WHEN
KELLY
WAS ON
THE
% COURT AND
THEY
DIDN'T EVEN
HOLD% A
HEARING
T
O
GATHER
INFORMATION% TO BE
ABL
E
TO
CRAFT A
RULE.
% >>
Y
OU
ARE
QUOTED AS
SAYING
AS% WE
NEED
TO
REFORM THE
CRIMINAL
% JUSTICE
SYSTEM WIT
H
A
N
EYE
% TOWARD
SOCIAL
JUSTICE?
% HOW
SO?
% >> I DON'T THINK ANYONE
WHO HAS
% BEEN ON THE
FRON
T
LINES OF
THE
% JUSTICE SYSTEM
LIK
E I
HAVE
-
% AND
I'M
THE
ONLY
ONE
IN
THIS
% RACE
WHO
HAS
SPENT
MOS
T
OF
THEIR
% CAREERS IN
THE
FRONT LI
NES
OF
% THE JUSTICE
SYSTEM.
% I DON'T
THINK Y
OU CAN
BE
THERE
% WITHOUT
THINKING WE NEED
TO
% REFORM
OUR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
%
SYSTEM.
% AND I
THINK THAT
THE
FIRST
THIN
G%
WE NEED TO
D
O
IS
A
DMIT THAT
% THERE'S A PROBLEM.
% WE DO
HAVE A P
ROBLEM.% WE
HAVE A
P
ROBLEM
WHEN I
T
COMES
% TO
RACIAL
DISPARITY
I
N
OUR
% CRIMINAL JUSTICE
S
YSTEM.
% WE
H
AVE A
P
ROBLEM
IN
WISCONSIN
% WITH
MASS
INCARCERATION.
% WHAT A JUDGE WHAT
I
C
AN
DO
IS
T
O
% TAKE
STEPS
T
O
T
RY
TO
MITIGATE
% THAT PROBLEM.
% AND
I
DO
I
T
IN
MY
COURTROOM BY
% MAKING SURE
I
'M
DIVERTING PEOPLE
% TO
TREATMENT
COURTS,
OWI
% TREATMENT
COURT,
DRUG
TREATMENT
% COURT,
VETERANS TREATMENT COURT.
% WE
HAVE A
PROGRAM
IN DANE
COUNTY
% WHERE
PEOPLE
C
AN
D
O
COMMUNITY
% SERVICE
INSTE
AD
O
F
PAYING A
FINE
% OR
G
O
T
O
JAIL
A
ND
I
REFER P
EOPLE
% THERE
EVERY
OPPORTUNITY I
HAVE.
% I
CA
N'T
MAKE
POL
ICY AS A
JUDGE.
% I
CERTAINLY
WOULDN'T MAKE
POLICY
% AS A
STATE SUPREME
COURT
% JUSTICE.
% BUT
I
CAN
TELL
THE
POLICYMAKERS,
% THE
LEGISLATORS, WHA
T
I
'M
SEEING
% TO
INFORM
THEIR
DECISIONS.% >> DOES THIS
MAKE
YOU
SOF
T
ON
% CRIME?
% >> I DON'T KNOW
HOW
ANYONE
COULD
% THINK TH
AT
I
'M
S
OF
T O
N
CRIME.
% WHAT I
DO
I
N M
Y
COURTROOM
I
S
I
% FOLLOW
TH
E
RULE O
F
LAW EVERY
% DAY.
% AND I
F Y
OU
L
OO
K
A
T
DECISIONS% THAT I HAVE
MADE,
YOU
WILL
SEE A
% JUDGE
WHO
WHEN
I'M
SENTENCING
% PEOPLE
RELIES ON
THE
SENTENCING
% FACTORS
I
N
THE STATE OF
% WISCONSIN,
THE
SEVERITY OF THE
% CRIME, THE
PROTECTING THE
% PUBLIC,
THE
CHARACTER
AND
% REHABILITATION NEEDS OF THE
% OFFENDS
% OFFENDS ER.
% I
BALANCE
THOSE
AND THAT
I
S
HOW
% I
COME
T
O A
SENTENCE
EVERY
% SINGLE
TIME.% >>
JUSTICE
KELLY
WAS
ENDORSED% THIS
W
EEK
B
Y PRESIDENT TRUMP.
% WHAT'S
YOU
R
REACTION TO
THAT?
% >>
I
THINK PRESIDENT
TRUMP
W
ANTS
% DAN
KELLY TO
BE ON
THE
WISCONSIN% SUPREME COURT BECAUSE I
F
AND
% WHEN THERE
IS
LITIG
ATION IN
THE
% NOVEMBER ELECTION, HE
WIL
L
H
AVE
% DAN
KELLY ON
THE
COURT
AND
WE% KNOW
BASED
O
N
HIS TRACK
RECORD
% OF ALL
RULING FOR
REPUBLICANS
% AND
RIGHT
WING
SPECIAL INTERESTS
% HOW HE I
S
GOING
T
O
RULE
I
N
THAT
% CASE.%>> DO YOU THINK
THAT
T
HE
DATE OF
% THE
PRESIDENTIAL
PRIMARY
FALLING% ON THE
SAME
DATE
AS
THE
GENERAL
% ELECTION FOR THE
STATE
OR% SUPREME COURT HELPS OR
HURTS
YOU
% IN
TER
MS
OF
INTEREST O
R
TURNOUT?
% >>
I
THINK THAT
GETTING
PEOPLE
% TO
THE
P
OLLS
NO
MATTER
W
HA
T R
ACE
% YOU'RE IN
IS
HUGELY,
HUGELY
% IMPORTANT.
% OUR JOB
I
N
THIS RACE
IS
TO
MAK
E
% SURE TH
AT
WHE
N PEOPLE G
O
T
O
THE
% POLLS
O
N
APRIL 7
THAT
THEY
VOTE
% ALL THE WAY
THROUGH THAT
BALLOT,
% THAT THEY
F
OR
PRESIDENT,
% THAT THEY
V
OTE
F
OR SUPREME
% COURT,
THAT
THEY
VOTE
FOR
A
LL
% THEIR LOCAL
ELECTIONS
AND COURT% OF
APPEALS
IF
THAT'S ON
THE
% BALLOT
FOR
THEM AS
WELL.
% THAT'S OUR
JOB
I
N
THIS
E
LECTION,
% TO MAKE
SURE
THAT
WE
G
ET
PEOPLE
% TO THE P
OLLS
AND
THA
T
THEY
VOTE
% FOR JILL KAROFSKY
FOR SUPREME
% COURT.%>> ALL
RIGHT.
% JUDGE
KAROFSKY,
THANKS
VERY
% MUCH.%>> THANK YOU.
% >>
NOW
FOR AN
UPDATE
ON FISH
A
ND
% WATER
CONTAMINATION IN
CONTAIN
% COUNTY.
% THE
STATE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL% RESOUR
CES AND HEALTH SERVICES%
ARE
ISSUING
AN
ADVISORY
I
N
T
WO
% MADISON
WATERWAYS.
% IT
WARNS
ANGLERS ABOUT
RISING
% PFAS
LEVELS.
% THEY RECOMMEND
LIMITING
CARP,
% BASS,
PIKE
, WALL
LIE
AND
WALLY
WALLEYE
TO
NOT MORE% THAN
O
NCE A
MONTH.
% HEALTH
RISKS
ASSOCIATED
WITH
% PFAS INCREASE
WITH
THE
AMOUNT
O
F
% FISH
CONSUMED.
% THE
DNR
A
ND
SERVICES
ARE
% WORKING T
O
DEVELOP
PFAS
% STANDARDS FOR
GROUNDWATER,
% DRINKING WATER
AND
SURFACE
WATER
% STATEWIDE.
% FINALLY
TONIGHT, A LOOK
A
HEAD
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O
% NEXT
WEEK.
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FOR
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