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% WHERE
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% INTELLIGENCE
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% SAYING TO
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% REVENGE.
% SO DO YOU
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THREAT
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% REAL THREAT
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%
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N
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T
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H
E
% SHIA
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N
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E
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W
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% ITS COUNTRY.
% WHAT DO YOU THINK
OF THAT?% >> NO.
% I THINK
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OTE
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% PARLIAMENT WAS
VERY
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OR
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O
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I
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AY
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NOW
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HA
T
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HAVE
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TO
% THE
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% INFLUENCE IN THEIR
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ROUND THAT
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% SOVEREIGN
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OR
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ALS
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% PROTESTING
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% STILL
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LIKE
TO
STAY,
HAVE
THE
% U.S. MILITARY
STAY?
% >> I WOULD.
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THINK
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ACTUALLY
THROUGH A
% PAINFUL PROCESS OF
TRIAL
A
ND
% ERROR
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T A
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CAN
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H
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N
% THE FIGHT
AGAINS
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ISIS.
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LO
T
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Y
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% LIKE
US
TO P
ULL
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,
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E
SAW% WHAT
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.
% IF WE
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% INFLUENCE
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BUT
% THROUGHOUT THE REST
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F
O
UR
% REGION,
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I
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O
% BEFORE, I THINK
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THE
B
ES
T
% WAY OVER
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TO
BE
% ABLE
TO
MOVE
MORE
OF
OUR
FORCES
% TO
MORE
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THEATERS OF% THE
WORLD,
PARTICULARLY
ASIA.
% >>
W
E
NE
ED
TO
LEAVE IT
THERE.
% U.S. REPRESENTATIVE MIKE
% GALLAGHER, THANKS VERY M
UCH
FOR
% JOINING
US.
% >> THANK
YOU
.
% APPRECIATE IT.%>>
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% REPRESENTATIVE MARK POCAN.
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R
BEING
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% >> THANK
YOU,
FREDERICA.% >>
WHY
DID
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SUPPORT
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% THE
PRESIDENT'S WAR
POWERS
IN
% IRAN?%>>
WELL,
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EEN
% OVERDUE FROM
PROBABLY A
F
EW
% DECADES.
% THE CONSTITUTION GIVES CONGRESS
% THE SOLE
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% PUTTING OUR COUNTRY
INTO A
WAR
% UNLESS
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BEEN
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% DIRECTLY
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UR
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Y
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% LAST COUPLE
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% GIVEN UP TOO MUCH
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F
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% TO
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AND
% PRESIDENTS, BOTH
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% REPUBLICANS, HAVE
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SED
% OLD
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% GO
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S
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E
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O
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T
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O
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O
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UT
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% FUTURE
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O
W
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% CONSTITUTION
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AS
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OLE
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% EFFECT O
F
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% MILITARY.%WHAT
IS
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% >>
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W
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EN I
T
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% THAT
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M
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N,
WHAT
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N
% AND
T
ALK
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% THE
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% AND IN
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F
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% CONGRESS,
A
ND
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% EXPLICITLY
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T
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% WE DON'T
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T
O
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I
S
% PRESIDENTS
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D
% AUTHORIZATIONS TO GO INTO
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R
% FOR
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THIS
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% WAR
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% SADDAM
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ND IT
% WAS
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B
Y
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% PRESIDENT THIS TIME
TO
D
O
% SOMETHING
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% IT
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ORD
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% THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS
INTENDED BY
% CONGRESS BACK IN
2002.
% THAT'S
WHY WE
N
EED
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AS
% THE
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S
% GIVEN TO
CONGRESS,
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T
% BACK
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O
T
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% DEMOCRAT OR
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% UNDERSTANDS THEY HAVE
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C
OME
% BEFORE CONGRESS IN
ORDER
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D
O
% THAT.%>>
WELL,
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YOUR
POSITION ON
% THE
ASSASSINATION OF
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% SOLEIMANI?%>>
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I
THIN
K
ONE OF
% THE
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AD
,
WE
% HAD A CLASSIFIED
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% WEEK.
% ALSO I
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T
INTO A CLASSIFIED
% SETTING AND REA
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% TWO-PAGE REASONS WHY
WE DID
% THIS.
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AN
D
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ME,
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THE
% SENATE
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S
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% OR
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N,
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% ACTUALLY
F
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% EVERY TIME W
E
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% WHAT
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% IT
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O
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F
% IT'S SOMETHING
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HE
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O
% COME TO
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T.
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ASE
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% CONSIDERED
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Y
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% PRESIDENTS WHO
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% BECAUSE
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% SEVERE.
% WE DID
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% THOSE
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% ACCORDING
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O
TH
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% ASSESSMENT
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% IMMINENT REASON.
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THINK
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% CONGRESS NEEDS
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I
S
% THE
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OF
% GOVERNMENT.
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OT
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% REPUBLICANS.
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ER
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T
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% GOING TO
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AR
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% ITEM, SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE
% DONE A
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GO.
% >>
WHERE DO YOU
THINK
THIS
U.S.
% MILITARY ACTION
AND
REVENGE F
OR
% IT LEAVES
OUR
PEOPLE?
% >> WE ARE
WITHOUT A
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% SAFE
TOD
AY
THAN WE
WERE A
W
EEK
% AGO.
% BECAUSE B
Y
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% IS
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% NUMBER TWO PERSON
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% MILITARY ON
THE
PLANET, THAT IS
% NOT A
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I
DEA
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% SOME REAL
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% AND SINCE WE
NOT
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% REAL
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IT
PUTS
US
AT
% GREATER RISK.
% EVEN THOUGH
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E
S
AW
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S
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N
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T
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E
R H
AVE
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O
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% SENDING MEN
AND
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% UNITED
STATES OVER TO
THE
% MIDEAST,
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% THOUGHTFUL DECISION.
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E
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AS
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DLESS
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RING% TROOPS
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OME,
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E TROOPS
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N
THE
% MIDEAST THAN
WE
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SIX
MONTHS
% AGO AND
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T'
S
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F
OR
% PEACE.%>>
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UST
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CLOSE% THIS OUT, A
L
OF
THIS
SAID,
I% TRUST DOES NOT MEAN
THAT
YOU
ARE
% DEFENDING SOLEIMANI?
% >> NO
.
% NO ONE IS.
% IN
FACT,
TODAY
REPUBLICANS ARE
% STARTING
TO
APOLOGIZE FOR
THEIR
% RHETORIC OF THE
WEEK
THAT
THEY
% SAID
PEOPLE
WER
E
STANDING
IN
THE
% AYATOLLAH.
% THAT'S
RIDICULOUS.
% WHAT'S IMPORTANT
IS
YOU
DON'T
% PUT THE
BLUE
OR
RED CAP
ON.
% YOU SAID WHAT IS
I
N
THE
B
EST
% INTEREST OF PEACE
I
N
THE
MIDDLE
% EAST
AND
NO
T
HAVING
T
O
SEND
% AMERICAN MEN
AND
WOMEN
OVERSEAS.
% RIGHT
NOW IT
IS
BY
HAVING
% DEESCALATION,
HAVING
DIPLOMACY
% AND I'M
HOPING
THAT'S WHAT
WE'LL
% DO MOVING
FORWARD.% >>
ALL
RIG
HT.
% REPRESENTATIVE MARK POCAN,
% THANKS VERY
MUC
H.
% >>
YEAH.
% THANK
YOU,
FREDERICA.% >>
NOW BACK
T
O
2020
ELECTION
% COVERAGE OF THE
STATE SUPREME
% COURT RACE.
% IN
TONIGHT'S
CLOSER
LOOK,
WE
% CONTINUE OUR
INTERVIEWS WITH
THE
% CANDIDATES RUNNING
IN
THE
% FEBRUARY 18
PRIMARY
RAC
E
F
OR
THE
% HIGH COURT.
% LAST
WEEK,
W
E
SPOKE
WITH
% INCUMBENT
JUSTICE
DANIEL
KELLY.
% NEXT
WEEK JILL KAROFSKY WILL BE
% HERE.
% TONIGHT, A
CONVERSATION
WITH ED
% FALLONE W
HO
BEGAN
HIS
CAREER
IN
% PRIVATE LAW
PRACT
ICE
IN% WASHINGTON D.C.
% HE'S
BEEN ON
THE
FACULTY
OF
THE
% MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY
LAW SCHOOL
% FOR
THE
P
AST
2
5
YEARS.
% ED FALLONE
JOINS
U
S
TONIGHT
FROM
% MILWAUKEE AND
THANKS
VERY
MUCH
% FOR BEING
HERE.
% >>
PLEASURE TO BE
HERE,
% FREDERICA.%>>
WELL,
WHY ARE
YOU
RUNNING FOR
% THE
STATE SUPREME
COURT?
% >>
OH,
W
ELL,
I
TEL
L
Y
OU,
YOU
% MENTION
I
RAN
FOR
THE
COURT
I
N
% 2013.
% AT THAT TIME I WAS
TALKING
ABOUT
% THE DYSFUNCTION
IN
THE
COURT,
% THE FACT
THAT
WE
H
AD
O
NE
JUSTICE
% PHYSICALLY
ASSAULT
ANOTHER
% JUSTICE, AND
I
SAID IT
WAS
TIME
% TO END
THE
DYSFUNCTION AND
GET
% THE
COURT
WORKING
TOGETHER.
% AND
A
S
I'V
E
WATCHED
SINCE
THEN,
% AS
W
E
GET
TO
NOW
2020,
I
F
% ANYTHING, TH
E
C
OURT
I
S
MORE
% DIVIDED.
% IT SEEMS THEY
DON
'T
TALK
TO EACH
% OTHER.
% AND
I
THI
N
K
WE MORE
THAN
EVER
% NEED
TO
REF
OR
M
THE
COURT
AND
% MAKE A
CHANGE.% >>
HOW
DO
YOU
REFORM
THE
COURT
% TO
FIX W
HAT YOU
DESCRIBED
THEN
% AND
S
AY
PERSISTS
AS
DYSFUNCTION?% >>
WELL,
I
THINK
IT'S
IMPORTANT
% TO
RECOGNIZE
THAT WE
N
EED A
% WIDER DIVERSITY
OF
EXPERIENCE
% AND A
WIDER
DIVERSITY
OF
LEGAL
% PERSPECTIVES ON THE COURT.%
IF YOU
WAN
T
O
CHANGE THE
WORK% OF THE C
OURT
AND
MAK
E
IT
BETTER,
% YOU
BRI
NG
MOR
E
VIEWPOINTS,
M
ORE
% PERSPECTIVE.
% AND S
O
WHA
T I
BRING
I
S A
% CONSTITUTIONAL
L
AW
PROFESSOR,
% SOMEONE
WHO'S AN
E
XPERIENCED
% CRIMINAL DEFENSE
L
AWYER AND
% SOMEONE
W
HO'S
WORKED
AS
A
% COMMUNITY
ADVOCATE
I
N
% COMMUNITY-BASED GROUPS PROVIDING%
LAWYERS TO
WORKING
FAMILIES
AND
% TRY AND
GET
MORE
PERSPECTIVE
SO
% WE CAN
GET
THE
COMMUNICATION
% GOING AND
BUILD
CONSENSUS.
% JUST
ELECTING
MORE OF
THE
% JUDGES
WITH
NARROW
PERSPECTIVES% IS NOT
GOI
NG
T
O
CHANGE
OUR
% SYSTEM.%>>
Y
OU
ALSO
SAID
SEVEN
YEARS
% THAT IT
IS A
MISTAKE
TO
INJECT
% POLITICS
INTO JUDICIAL
RACES
AND
% YET
TOD
AY
THE
IDEA
THAT SUPREME
% COURT
ELECTIONS
ARE
NONPARTISAN
% IS
LARGELY
IN
NAME
ONLY.
% YOU
ARE
ENDORSED
B
Y
THE
% MILWAUKEE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.
% WHY
SHOULDN'T
CITIZENS
BELIEVE
% THAT
RESULTS
I
N
PARTISAN,
% FOREGONE
DECISIONS?
% >>
WELL,
FIRST
LET
M
E
CORRECT
% YOU.
% I DON'T BELIEVE
I'
VE
B
EEN
% ENDORSED
B
Y
TH
E
MILWAUKEE
COUNTY
% DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
% IF IT
HAPPENED, IT WAS
NEWS
TO
% ME.
% I AM
RUNNING A
NONPARTISAN
% CAMPAIGN.%IN
FACT,
I'M
THE
ONLY
CANDIDATE
% WHO'S
TRYING
TO
KEEP
POLITICS% OUT
OF
THI
S
RACE.
% WE HAVE
OUR
INCUMBENT, DANIEL
% KELLY, WHO YOU
INTERVIEWED LAST% WEEK.
% HE'S
LOCATED
HIS
CAMPAIGN
% HEADQUARTERS IN
THE
REPUBLICAN
% PARTY
HEADQUARTERS.
% HE'S AN
EMBRACED
HIS
POLITICAL
% AFFILIATION.
% ON THE OTHER
HAND,
% WE
SE
E
PARTISAN
ATTACKS
BEING
% MADE
B
Y
OTHER
CANDIDATES
THAT
% REALLY
POISON
THE
WATER
S
A
ND
% PREVENT ANY
S
ORT
OF
COOPERATION
% OR
CONSENSUS-BUILDING.
% MY
CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN TO
MAKE AN
% AFFIRMATIVE CASE FOR
MY
% EXPERIENCE AS A LAW
PROFESSOR,
% MY EXPERIENCE
STANDING
SHOULDER
% TO
SHOULDER
WIT
H
WORKING
% FAMILIES WHO
HAV
E
LEGAL
PROBLEMS
% AND TRYING T
O
HELP
THEM
GET
% LEGAL
REPRESENTATION.
% AND
MY
E
XPERIENCE
TH
E
LATINO% COMMUNITY.%I WOULD B
E
THE
FIRST
LATINO
% JUSTICE
ON
O
UR
STATE SUPREME
% COURT.
% AND I
UNDERSTAND
THE
CHALLENGES% OF
OUR
IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES IN
% THE STATE
AND HAVE
BEEN
WORKING
% FOR
O
VER
25
YEARS
T
O
TRY
AND
% HELP AND
GIVE BACK
T
O
THAT
% COMMUNITY.
% SO I'M
MAKING A
N
AFFIRMATIVE
% CASE
BASED
O
N
MY
QUALIFICATIONS.
% I A
M
NO
T
ENGAGING
I
N
PARTISAN
% ATTACKS.%>> DO YOU FEE
L
A
S
THOUGH
A
NY
%
RECENT
DECISIONS FRO
M
O
UR
HIGH
% COURT HAVE BEEN
POLITICAL?
% >>
OH
, I
T
HINK
SO.
% I
THINK
W
E
SEE
S
VERY
% TROUBLING TRENDS.
% WE'VE SEEN
OPINIONS
IN
THE
LAST
% FEW
YEARS
WHERE
CERTAIN
JUSTICES% ON THE
C
OURT
MAKE
NOTICE OF
THE
% POLITICAL
AFFILIATION OF THE
% PARTIES IN
THE
CASE,
WHICH
IS
% NEVER
RELEVANT
TO
DECIDING A
% LEGAL
QUESTION.
% AND W
E
SE
E
INSTANCES
WHERE
THE% COURTS -
-
THE
JUSTICES
SOMETIMES
% DON'T EVEN S
EEM
TO
TALK T
O
EACH
% OTHER.
% ONE
BLOC
K
IS
TALKING
TO
ITSELF,
% WRITING
ITS OWN
OPINION.
% THE OTHER
BLOCK
IS
DISSENTING.
% AND I DON'T SEE ANY
EFFORT,
ANY
% EFFORT REALLY TO
REACH ACROSS
% THE DIVIDE AND TRY
AND
FIND
% CONSENSUS IN THE
MIDDLE.
% AND THAT'S
WHAT
I
FIND
% TROUBLING.
% BECAUSE
THE
COURT
BELONGS
T
O
ALL% OF
US
IN
WISCONSIN.
% IT WORKS
F
OR
A
LL
OF
U
S.
% AND
IT'S
SELF-INDULGENT F
OR
THE
% JUSTICES TO
JUST
VIEW
IT
A
S
% THEIR
O
WN
PARTISAN FIGHT
TO
% EXPRESS THEIR
OWN
PARTISAN
% VIEWS.%>> WHAT'S
YOUR
POSITION
ON
% WHETHER
RECUSAL
RULES SHOULD BE
% TIGHTER?%>>
WELL, THIS
IS
SOMETHING I'VE
% BEEN
V
ERY
CONSISTENT ON.
% WHEN I
RAN
IN
2013, IT
WAS ONE
% OF
M
Y
MAJOR
CAMPAIGN
PLATFORMS
% AND
IT
CONTINUES TO BE.
% IT'S
JUST
THIS
SIMPLE.
% WE
HAVE A
CURRENT
COURT
RULE% THAT
ALLOWS
JUSTICES
T
O
S
IT
ON
% CASES
AND
DECIDE
CASES
WHEN A
% MAJOR
CAMPAIG
N
CONTRIBUTOR IS
% ONE OF THE PARTIES
I
N
THE
CASE.
% AND THAT'S
JUST
WRONG,
BECAUSE
% IF
SOMEONE
LOSES
IN A
LAWSUIT
A
T
% OUR
STATE SUPREME
COURT
O
R
% ANYWHERE
AND
THEY
WAL
K
AWAY
FROM
% THE
COURTROOM
WITHOUT
KNOWING
% WHETHER THEY
LOST
ON
THE
MERITS% OR
THEY
LOST
BECAUSE
THEIR
% OPPONENT HAD
M
ADE
SIGNIFICANT
% CAMPAIGN
CONTRIBUTIONS TO
THE
% JUDGE, THAT
UNDERMINES OUR
% SYSTEM
O
F
JUSTICE.
% WE
NEED
T
O
CHANGE THA
T
RULE
AN
D
% THAT'S
SOMETHING I'V
E
% CONSISTENTLY
ARGUED FOR AS A% CANNED EIGHT AND
E
VEN
I
N
WORKING
% WITH COMMON
CAU
SE
WISCONSIN
AND
% OTHER
GROUP
S
ADVOCATING
FOR
% CHANGE SINCE
TH
EN.
% >>
DANIEL
KELLY
SAYS
HE
ONL
Y
% APPLIES THE
L
A
CASE
S
AND
% DOESN'T,
QUOTE, LEGISLATE FROM
% THE
BENCH.
% HOW WOULD YOU
VIEW
Y
OU
R
ROLE
AS% A
JUSTICE?
% >>
WELL,
FIRST
O
F
ALL
,
I
W
OULD
% COMPLETELY TAKE ISSUE
WITH
% JUSTICE
KELLY'S
SELF-SERVING
% DESCRIPTION OF WHAT
HE
DOES.
% IT'S
VE
RY
CLEAR T
HAT
HE
HAS AN
% AGENDA ON
THE
BENCH.
%
THIS IS
SOMEONE WHO
ATTENDED
THE
% CHRISTIAN
BROADCASTING
NETWORK% UNIVERSITY SCHOOL
OF
LAW, A
LAW
% SCHOOL THAT WAS
FOUNDED
WITH
THE
% PURPOSE
O
F
ADVOCATING A
BIBLICAL
% INTERPRETATION OF
OUR
% CONSTITUTION.
% IT'S SOMEONE WHO
REPRESENTED
% REPUBLICAN OFFICE
HOLDERS
AND
% THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
IN
H
IS
% LEGAL PRACTICE.
% HE'S
S
OMEONE
W
HO
HI
S
WHOLE
L
EGAL
% CAREER
H
AS
ADVOCATED
FOR AN
% AGENDA.
% SO IF THERE
I
S
SUCH A
THING
A
S% AN
ACTIVIST ON THE
RIGHT,
% CERTAINLY
JUSTICE
KELLY F
ITS
% THAT
DEFINITION.
% I HAVE BEEN
PRINCIPLED.
% I HAVE
STOOD
FOR
THINGS LIKE
% RIGHTING
FOR
EQUAL
PROTECTION
% UNDER THE LAW,
FIGHTING FO
R
FREE
% SPEECH UNDER
THE
LAW
.
% BUT THESE
ARE
PRINCIPLES THAT% ARE
GROUNDE
D
I
N
OUR
% CONSTITUTION.
% THEY'RE THE
SAME
EXACT
% PRINCIPLES
I'LL
F
IGHT
FO
R
WHE
N
I
% TAKE THE
OATH
O
F
O
FFICE ON
THE
% BENCH.%>> ED
FALLONE,
THANKS
VERY
MUCH
% FOR
JOINING
U
S.
% >>
MY
PLEASURE.
% IN IN
FACT, A
QUICK RECHECK
% SHOWS THE
DEMOCRATIC
PARTY
O
F
% MILWAUKEE COUNTY
ITSELF
DID
NOT
% ENDORSE,
BUT
PEOPLE
LISTING
% THEIR AFFILIATION
WI
TH
THE
PARTY
% HAVE DONE SO.
% NEXT
WEE
K,
CANDIDATE JILL% KAROFSKY WILL JOI
N
US.
% FOR
S
OME
ELECTION
YEAR
% FORESIGHT, WE
NOW
TUR
N
T
O
OUR
% POLITICAL
PANELISTS SCOT
ROSS
% AND BILL
MCCOSHEN.
% IT'S
NOT
TOO
L
ATE
FOR
202
0
% PREDICTIONS AND
THAT'S W
HA
T
WE% ASKED THEM
TO
PROVIDE
TONIGHT.
% HAPPY NEW YEAR.
% >>
HA
PPY NEW
YEAR.
% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
US.
% >>
WE
START WITH
YOU,
BILL.
% YOUR FIRST ONE
I
S
THAT
HOUSE
% DEMOCRATS
WILL
LOSE
14
SEATS
AND
% COME BACK
WITH A
SLIM,
% UNMANAGEABLE
MAJORITY,
2018,
I
N
% 2021.
% SO
WHY
D
O
Y
OU
THINK
THAT?
% >>
THAT'S
AS
OF
TODAY.
% THAT COULD
CHANGE.
% THERE'S
2
32
DEMOCRATS,
1
98
% REPUBLICANS, ONE
INDEPENDENT
AND
% FOUR
VACANCIES
INCLUDING
THE
% WISCONSIN
7
TH
DISTRICT
W
HIC
H
% WON'T
GET
DECIDED
UNTIL
M
AY.
% NANCY
PELOSI
WILL
LIKELY
KEEP% HER
MAJORITY, BUT
BY
THE
% SLIMMEST
OF
MARGINS.
% 32
DEMOCRATS
AR
E
IN
SEATS
THAT% DONALD TRUMP WON.
% AT
LEAST
HAL
F
O
F
THOSE W
ILL
FLIP% BACK TO THE
REPUBLICANS.% >> WHAT DO YOU THINK
A
BOUT
THAT?
% >> I
THINK
THA
T
DEMOCRATS AND
% INDEPENDENTS
LITERALLY RAN
TO
% THE
PO
LL
S
IN
2018
T
O
REJECT% DONALD
TRUMP.
% IT'S GOING TO
BE
EVE
N
M
ORE
% DISTINCT.
% I THINK THEY
GROW
THE
M
A
JORITY.% >>
WEL
L,
I
GUESS
I
T'S A
% PREDICTION AND
WE'LL
SEE,
RIGHT?
% LET'S GO TO
YOURS,
SCOTT.
% YOU SAY
THAT
THE
DEMOCRATIC
% PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATE
WILL
WIN
% WISCONSIN'S
T
EN
ELECTORAL
VOTES,
% LEADING
T
O
A
D
EMOCRATIC
%
PRESIDENT
JANUARY 20,
2021.
% >> Y
ES.
% THE
DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATE WILL
BETTER
CANDIDATE
AND
HUMAN
% BEING
THAN
THE
RACIST,
SEXIST
% THE
REPUBLICANS H
AVE
PUT
UP.
% HIGHER
WAGES,
BETTER HEALTH
% CARE, STUDENT
LO
AN
REFORM,
% ENDING THE TAX
CUTS
THAT
HAVE
%
GIVEN
COMPANIES
LIKE
IBM,
% NETFLIX
AND
OTHERS
HUNDREDS O
F
% MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS
I
N
TAX
% BREAKS WHEN
THEY'RE
MAKING
-
% AMAZON,
$11
BILLION
IN PROFIT.
% IT
G
OT
$129
M
ILLION
BACK AS A
% RESULT OF
THE
TRUMP
TAX
CUTS.
% THE THIRD
REASON
IS
BECAUSE
% DEMOCRATS ARE NOT
GOING
T
O
T
AKE
% WISCONSIN FOR
GRANTED THIS
TIME.
% THEY'RE ALREADY
D
OING
% COMMUNICATIONS,
ATTACKING TRUMP
% ON A DAILY
BASIS
IN
THE
LOCAL
% AND STATE
MEDIA
,
I
N
DIGITAL
AND
% AT
THE
DOORS.
% THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
KEY.
% WISCONSIN WILL
BE
A
DEMOCRATIC
% STATE IN
2020.
% >>
TRUMP
WINS
WISCONSIN.
% HE
TAKES
THE
T
EN
ELECTORAL
% VOTES.
% DEMOCRATS ARE WELL
ON
T
HEIR
W
AY
% TO
NOMINATING
SOMEONE
W
HO
W
ILL
% KEEP A
PORTION
O
F
THEIR
PARTY
% HOME
J
UST
LIKE HILLARY CLINTON
% DID.
% JOE
BIDEN.
% THE
PROGRESSIVES WON'T COM
E
OUT
% FOR HIM.
% HE'S
LIKELY TO
BE
THEIR
NOMINEE.
% >>
I
DID
NOT
REALIZE YOU
WERE
% THE
AOC
WHISPERER.% >> ALL RIGHT.
% LET'S MOVE
T
O
STATE
POLITICAL
% PREDICTIONS.
% HERE
IS BILL
M
CCOSHEN'S.
% THE
GOP
WILL
WIN
T
HREE
SEATS
A
ND
% COME BACK
WI
TH A
RECORD
2
1
% SEATS.
% SO
THESE
ARE
ALL
INTERESTING
% DISTRICTS.%>>
RIGHT.
% >>
YOU'RE
SUGGESTING
THAT% JENNIFER SCHILLING
GOES
DOWN.
% >>
LET'S TALK ABOUT
THE OTHER
% TWO.
% THE
10TH
DISTRICT HAS BEEN
% REPUBLICAN
FOR A
LONG
TIME,
% SHEILA
HARSDORF,
H
ER
BROTHER
JIM
% BEFORE
THAT.
% THIS HAS BEEN A
REPUBLICAN
SEAT
% THAT
PATTI
SCHACHTNER WON
DURING
% THE
% THOSE
YEARS.
% THAT
IS
A
REPUBLICAN SEAT.
% 53% ON
AVERAGE R
EPUBLICAN
SEAT.
% SO
JUST
NORMAL
PERFORMANCE WOULD
% PUT A REPUBLICAN BACK
IN THAT
% SEAT.
% THAT
WOULD
P
UT
R
EPUBLICANS AT
% 20.
% THE OTHER
ONE
I
THINK THEY CAN
% GET IS
NOW
D
AVE
HANSON'S
SEAT,
% THE
30TH
IN GREEN
BAY.
% DONALD
TRUMP
G
O
T
52, SCOTT
% WALKER GOT
5
2.
% VUKMIR
GOT
48%
.
% THAT SEAT I
S
ABOUT A
5
1%.
% HANSON
ANNOUNCED
THIS
WEEK
HE'S
% RETIRING.
% HE'S A
STR
ONG
CANDIDATE,
THE
% FAVORITE TO
GET
REELECTED.
% THAT GIVES
REPUBLICANS AN
% OPPORTUNITY TO GET
THEIR
21ST
% SEAT, WHICH WOULD
B
E
THEIR
% LARGEST SENATE
MAJORITY
I
N
5
0
% YEARS.%>>
WHAT
ABOUT JENNIFER
% SCHILLING'S
DISTRICT?
% >>
THAT'S A
TOUGHER
ONE.
% TRUMP
DOE
S
WELL
ALONG WESTERN
% WISCONSIN.
% IT'S
LIKELY
R
ON
KIND WILL BE
% TARGETED
AGA
IN.
% IF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY
PUTS THE
% RESOURCES IN THAT
DISTRICT, THEN
% THERE'S A
GOOD
CHANCE THAT
THAT
% SEAT COULD
B
E
COMPETITIVE
AGAIN.
% LAST
TIME S
HE
WON
B
Y L
ESS
THAN
% 2,000 VOTES.
% >>
RON
KIND DIDN'T
HAVE AN
% OPPONENT LAST
TIME.
% IF
HE
PUTS
$
3
MILLION
ON
T
F
V
TV UP
% THERE, IT'S
GOING TO
B
E B
AD
NEWS% FOR THE
REPUBLICANS.
% THE
SECOND
THING
IS,
LISTEN,
% PEOPLE ARE
SICK OF
T
HE
% DYSFUNCTION
OF
STATE
GOVERNMENT
% AND IT'S
BECAUSE
OF ROBIN
VOS
% AND SCOTT
FITZGERALD.
% THAT'S WHY THERE WAS
HOMEWORK
ON% CLEAN
WATER, CLEAN
AIR.
% YOU ACT
LIKE A
CHILD,
THEY'RE
% GOING TO TREAT YOU
YOU
LIKE A
% CHILD.%>>
YOU
R
L
AS
T
PREDICTION IS AS A
% RESULT OF
A
LL
THE
ATTENTION
I
N
% MILWAUKEE OF
THE
DNC
CONVENTION
% THAT PEOPLE ARE
GOING
TO
MOV
E
% THERE
AFTER
THEY S
EE
MILWAUKEE?
% >>
ABSOLUTELY.
% 15,000
VOLUNTEERS
AR
E
BEING P
UT
% TOGETHER TO SUPPORT
AND PROMOTE
% TO
T
HE
WORLD
HOW
GREAT MILWAUKEE
% IS.
% THERE IS
THIS
INCREDIBLE
% OPPORTUNITY TO
BRING
PEOPLE
% TOGETHER THAT'S GOING
TO
LAST% LONG BEYOND
THE
CONVENTION AND% WE ARE
GOING
TO
DEFINITELY
HAVE
% --
MILWAUKEE'S GOING TO SHINE.
% I THINK
PEOPLE ARE
GOING
TO
C
OME
% THERE.
% BUILD
IT AND
THEY'RE
GOING
TO
% STAY.%>>
B
IL
L
AND
SCOTT,
THANKS VERY
% MUCH.%>> THANK
YOU.
% >>
NEW
WISCONSIN
FLU
STATISTICS
% WERE
RELEASED
THIS
AFTERNOON.
% CASE
NUMBERS
THA
T
CONCERN
% OFFICIALS A
T
THE DEPARTMENT OF% HEALTH SERVICES.
% TODAY'S
INFLUENZA
STATUS
REPORT
% SHOWS
962
TOTAL
DIAGNOSED
CASES
% OF
F
LU
SINCE
OCTOBER.
% THERE HAVE
BEEN A
TOTAL
OF
622
% HOSPITALIZATIONS FOR
THE
FLU.
% 15
WISCONSINITES HAVE
DIED
THIS
% SEASON
D
UE
T
O
FLU-RELATED
% ILLNESSES.
% TOM HAUPT
PU
T
THESE
NUMBERS
IN
% PERSPECTIVE IN
OUR
INTERVIEW
O
N
% NOON
WEDNESDAY.
% >>
WELL,
IT'S
SIGNIFICANTLY% HIGHER
THAN IT W
AS
LAST
YEAR AT% THIS TIME.
% ONE
B
IG
DIFFERENCE THAT
WE'VE
% SEEN
THIS YEAR IS
THE
% HOSPITALIZATIONS HAVE BEEN
% AFFECTING THE
YOUNGER
% POPULATION.
% OUR HIGHER
NUM
BER
I
S
BETWEEN
18
% AND
49-YEAR-OLD
RANGE
COMPARED
% TO PREVIOUS YEARS.
% WE ARE
SEEING A
HIGHER
INCIDENCE
% OF
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