NOW, AN
INSIDE
LOOK
AT
THIS
% WEEK'S HISTORIC
IMPEACHMENT
O
F
% PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.
% THE HOUSE VOTE
ON
WEDNESDAY
% MAKES
HIM
THE
THI
RD
PRESIDENT TO
% BE
IMPEACHED
IN
U.S.
HISTORY.
% THE
VOT
E
WENT
LARGELY
ALONG
% PARTY
LINES.
% HERE'S
WHA
T
WISCONSIN
5TH
% REPUBLICAN JAMES SENSENBRENNER
% SAID ON TH
E
FLOOR
DURING
THE
% VOTE,
FOLLOWED
B
Y
HOUSE
SPEAKER% NANCY
PELOSI'S
COMMENTS AFTER% THE
VOTE
W
AS
TALLIED.% >> THERE
ARE
N
O
ALLEGATIONS
THAT
% THE
PRESIDENT H
AS
COMMITTED A
% CRIME.%WE
HA
VE
HAD
ALMOST THREE
YEARS
% OF
NONSTOP
INVESTIGATIONS.
% WE'VE
HAD
THE
MUELLER
REPORT,
% THE
SCHIFF
I
NVESTIGATION,
THE
% NADLER INVESTIGATION AND THERE'S
% NO
EVIDENCE
THAT
INDICATES
THAT
% DONALD
J.
TRUMP
VIOLATED
AN
Y
% CRIMINAL
STATUTE OF THE UNITED
% STATES.%>>
SEEMS
LIKE
PEOPLE
HAVE A
% SPRING
IN
THEIR
STEP
BECAUSE
THE
% PRESIDENT WAS
HELD
ACCOUNTABLE
% FOR HIS RECK
L
INGS
LE
SS
BEHAVIOR.% NO ONE
IS
ABOVE
THE
L
AW
AND
THE% CONSTITUTION IS
THE
SUPREME
LAW% OF
THE
LA
ND.
% >>
WHEN
WE
ASKED
U.S.
% REPRESENTATIVE RON KIND
ON
THIS
% PROGRAM LAST
WEEK HO
W
HE
WOULD
% VOTE,
HE
WOULD
N
OT
DEFINITIVELY
% SAY.
% HOWEVER, HE STOOD
WIT
H
OTHER
% WISCONSIN
DEMOCRATS
WEDNESDAY,
% VOTING IN FAVOR.
% THE
REPUBLICAN
DELEGATION
VOTED
% AGAINST
IMPEACHMENT OF THE% PRESIDENT.
% THAT
PROCESS
COINCIDES
WITH
% ELECTORAL
POLITICS,
INCLUDING
% THURSDAY
NIGHT'S
DEMOCRATIC
% CANDIDATE DEBATE.
% WE
CHECK
IN
WITH AN
EXPERT,
% UW-MADISON
PROFESSOR
OF
% JOURNALISM MIKE
WAGNER.
% THANKS A LOT
FO
R
BEING
HERE.
% >>
IT'
S
MY
PLEASURE.% >>
FIRST ON
TH
E
IMPEACHMENT
OF% PRESIDENT TRUMP.
% AFTER SO
MANY,
MANY
H
OURS
OF
% TESTIMONY
A
ND
DEBATE,
REALLY
% ALONG
STRICT
PARTISAN
LINES,
IT
% ALMOST
SEEMED
ANTI-CLIMATIC,
YET% IT IS
HISTORIC.% >> IT IS.
% WE'VE
O
NLY
H
AD
THIS
HAPPEN
TH
REE
% TIMES,
ALTHOUGH TWICE IN
THE
% LAST
20
YEARS.
% BUT THIS
IS A
R
ARE
THING
THAT
% HAPPENS IN OUR
COUNTRY.
% AND
WHILE
T
HE
DEBATES
THAT
% HAPPENED
ON
THE
FLOOR OF
THE
% HOUSE
PROBABLY WON'T BE
USED
I
N
% TEXTBOOKS
FOR
EXAMPLES OF
% HIGH-QUALITY DEBATE I
N
FUTURE
% TIMES, THIS
IS
A
REALLY
% IMPORTANT MOMENT
THAT
LAYS
DOWN
% WHAT IT IS
OUR
LAWMAKERS
THINK
% PRESIDENTS ARE
ALLOWED TO
DO.
% ARE THEY
ALLOWED
TO
HELP
% THEMSELVES
POLITICALLY BY
% DEALING
W
ITH
FOREIGN
NATIONS
OR
% NOT,
WHICH
IS
KIND OF
THE
% CENTRAL QUESTION.%AND
THE
SECONDARY
QUESTION,
CAN
% THEY
REFUSE
TO
TREAT
CONGRESS
AS% A
COEQUAL
BRANCH O
F
GOVERNMENT,
% THE OTHER
ARTICLE O
F
% IMPEACHMENT.%>> I
T
SEEMS
THAT
THE
I
MPEACHMENT
% PROCESS HAS
SERVED
TO
SOLIDIFY
% THE
PRESIDENT'S
B
ASE
A
ND
% SUPPORT.
% HOW IS
TH
AT?
% >> SOME OF
IT
I TH
INK
YOU
S
AW
% FROM THE
COMMENTS
FROM
% CONGRESSMAN
SENSENBRENNER, THE
% PRESIDENT
HAS
NOT
B
EEN
S
HOWN
TO
% COMMIT A
CRIME.
% THAT'S
NOT
THE
STANDARD FOR
% IMPEACHMENT.%SO
I
T'S
NOT
RELEVANT.
% WHAT'S
RELEVANT
IS
WHETHER
% PRESIDENT
VIOLATED
HIS
OATH A
ND
% HAS
ENGAGED
I
N
HIGH
CRIMES
A
ND
% MISDEMEANORS, WHICH ISING
% SOMETHING
THE
HOUSE
GETS
TO
% DEFINE.
% OTHER
REPUBLICANS
HAVE
JUST
SAID
% DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD
IT
IN
FOR% PRESIDENT
TRUMP
SINCE
DAY
ONE.
% THEY
SAY
IF
T
HAT'S
TRUE
,
WHY
% DIDN'T
WE IMPEACH
HIM
ON
DAY
% ONE?
% WE
WAITED
UNTIL
HE
VIOLATED THE
% OATH
OF
OFFICE.
% THOSE ARE
THE
MAIN
ARGUMENTS.
% IT'S
PARTISAN, AK
ACRIMONIOUS, AND
% THE
PUBLIC
IS
INTERESTED
BUT
NOT
% CHANGING THEIR MINDS
IN ANY
KIND
% OF
SYSTEMIC
WAY.
% I THINK
WE
'RE
SEEING
ANOTHER
% ISSUE
TH
AT
POLARIZES
US.% >>
W
HAT
D
O
YOU
M
AKE
OF NANCY
% PELOSI
SLOW-WALKING
SENDING
THE% ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT TO T
HE
% SENATE?%>> I
THINK
SHE
'S TRYING
TO
% ASSERT A STRONG PREFERENCE FO
R
% THE TRIAL
IN
THE
SENATE
BEING
% SOMETHING
THAT'S
TAKEN
% SERIOUSLY.
% I
THINK
SPEAKER
PELOSI
WANTS
TO
% AVOID S
OMETHING
THAT
WE
MIGHT
% THINK
I
S
AKIN
TO WHAT
HAPPENED
% IN
WISCONSIN
WITH
TH
E
SPECIAL
% SESSION ON
GUNS
WHERE THERE
WAS
% A
GAV
EL
IN
A
ND
O
UT
AND IT
WAS
% OVER
IMMEDIATELY.
% SPEAKER
PELOSI
WANTS
THERE TO
BE
% IN A TRIAL IN
THE
SENATE,
WHERE
% THE PRESIDENT HAS
TO
M
AKE A
% DEFENSE T
O
THESE CHARGES
AGAINST
% HIM.
% AND SHE
WANTS
IT
TO
TAKE
TIME.
% AND SHE
WANTS
THE
PRESIDENT TO
% HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO L
AY
OUT
% HIS CASE AND
THE
HOUSE
MANAGERS
% TO
LAY
OUT
THEIRS.
% >>
IT
ALSO
ALLOWS HER
AN
D
THE
% HOUSE
DEMOCRATS
T
O
ALLOW
THIS
% IDEA
O
F
HISTORIC
IMPEACHMENT
OF% DONALD
TRUMP
TO
REALLY
SINK I
N.
% >> IT
ALLOWS IT
TO
THINK
IN,
% PERHAPS.
% AND
IT
ALSO
IS
POLITICAL IN
THAT
% THE
LONGER
THIS
DRAGS
O
N,
THE
% MORE
THE
PRESIDENT MIGHT B
E E
M
% BATTLED,
THE
M
ORE
OTHER
THINGS
% WORKING THEIR WAY
THROUGH
THE
% COURTS
ABOUT
WHO
WORKS F
OR
THE
% PRESIDENT MIGHT HAVE
TO
TESTIFY,
% MIGHT
EVENTUALLY B
E
DECIDED.
% SO
IT'
S
CERTAINLY
POLITICAL AS
% WELL
AS
DUTIFUL.% >> D
O
YOU
EXPECT
T
HE
IMPEACHMENT% TO
H
ELP
OR
HURT
DEMOCRATS?% >>
THAT'S A
GREAT QUESTION AND
I
% THINK
THE
H
ONEST
ANSWER
IS
I
'M
% NOT
SURE.
% WHEN PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS IN
% OFFICE, HE
WAS
REALLY
POPULAR
% DURING
IM
PEACHMENT.
% PRESIDENT
TRUMP
HAS
NOT
GAINED
% IN
POPULARITY.
% HE'S
UNDER
WATER I
N
TERMS
OF
% PUBLIC
APPROVAL EVE
N
THOUGH THE
% ECONOMY HE
IS
PRETTY
STRONG.
% HE HASN'T HAD
THE
SAME
BENEFIT.
% SO I
THINK
PREDICT A
SYSTEMIC
% ADVANTAGE ONE WAY OR
ANOTHER
IS
% NOT SOMETHING WE
HA
VE
DATA
TO
% KNOW.
% IT'S AN
O
PEN
QUESTION.% >>
AS
FO
R
DEMOCRATS,
ANY
SENSE
% ON
YOUR
PART
WHO
WON
LAST
% NIGHT'S
DEBATE?
% >>
WELL,
I
THI
NK AMY
KLOBUCHAR
% HAD A GOOD NIGHT.
% ONCE THE
STAGE
WAS
SMALLER,
IT% BECAME
CLEARER
THAT THERE WERE
% TWO
LANES
,
THE
MORE
PROGRESSIVE
% LANE
THAT
ELIZABETH
WARREN
AND% BERNIE
SANDERS
A
RE
ON
,
A
ND
% KLOBUCHAR IS
KIND
OF
VYING WITH
% BIDEN
AND PETE BUTTIGIEG FOR
% THAT
CENTRIST
LANE.
% KLOBUCHAR
D
ID
HERSELF A
L
OT
OF
% FAVORS LAST NIGHT.
% PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE THEIR
EYES
% TRAINED
ON
HER
BECAUSE
OF
HER
% POSITION
IN
THE
POLLS.
% KLOBUCHAR LOOKED
LI
KE
THE% PRAYING MA
% PRAYING
% PRAGMATIST.%>> WHAT'S
YOU
R
PREDICTION
A
S
T
O
% WHICH
CANDIDATE TAKES
TH
E
% NOMINATION?
% >>
I
T'S
EARLY
STILL.
%
JOE
BIDEN
HAS
PROBABLY
THE
BES
T
% CHANCE.
% I
THINK
ELIZABETH
WARREN
H
AS
THE
% NEXT
BEST
C
HANCE.
% I
THINK IT WILL
BE
HARDER
FOR% BERNIE
SAN
DERS
TO
SUSTAIN
THE
% KIND
O
F
POPULARITY
HE
WOULD
NEED% TO GET
TO
THE
NOMINATION,% ALTHOUGH
HE
C
AME
CLOSE
LAST
% TIME.
% IT'S JOE
B
IDEN'S T
O
L
OSE,
BUT
% HE'S
TRIED THI
S
BEFORE
AND
LOST
% EACH
TIME.
% AND SO
-
AND
HE'S
MUCH
OLDER
% NOW
AND
IS
NOT
QUITE -
-
DOESN'T% HAVE
HIS
FINGER ON
THE
PULSE OF
% THE TIMES I
N
THE
WAY
HE MIGHT% HAVE WHEN
HE
RAN
THE FIRST
TIME,
% WHICH
LEAVES
THE
DOOR
OPEN FOR
% OTHER
CANDIDATES.
% THAT
GIVES PETE
BUTTIGIEG
AND% AMY
KLOBUCHAR A