PRESIDENT
DLT
!
DONALD
TRUMP
IS
% VERY
LIKELY
ON
HIS
WAY
TO
BEING
% ITCH PEECHED BY
!
!BEINGISM
PEECHED
!
BEING
IMPEACHED
BY THE
HOUSE
OF
% REPRESENTATIVES.
% WE TURN
TO
UW-MADISON
POLITICAL
% SCIENTIST DAVID CANON.
% WHAT IS
YOUR
REACTION
THAT
HOUSE
% DEMOCRATS WILL
PROCEED
IN
% DRAWING
UP ARTICLES
OF
% IMPEACHMENT?%>>
WELL,
I
THINK THERE
WAS
NO
% DOUBT SINCE
THE
DAY
SHE
% ANNOUNCED
THE
INQUIRY THIS
IS
% THE
WAY WE
WERE
HEADED.
% THE SURPRISE
IS
IN
TERMS OF THE
% TIMING
BECAUSE
ESPECIALLY AFTER
% THE
CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT% TESTIFIED
ON
WEDNESDAY THAT
YOU
% NEED TO
SLOW
DOWN,
GET
TESTIMONY
% FROM SOME OF
THE
OTHER
KEY
% WITNESSES, MAKE
THIS
AS
STRONG A% CASE AS
YOU
CAN, THERE
WAS
SOME
% DISCUSSION
WITHIN
THE
DEMOCRATIC
% PARTY
ABOUT
TRYING
TO
GET
% TESTIMONY
FROM
THOSE
WITNESSES
% AND
THAT
WOULD
MEAN
SLOWING
% THINGS
DOWN A
LOT
BECAUSE
YOU'D
% HAVE TO
GET
THE
COURT
DECISION
% THAT WOULD
BASICALLY
ORDER
THOSE
% PEOPLE TO
FOLLOW
THE
SUBPOENAS.
% AND SO
YOU'RE
LOOKING
AT
% PROBABLY
LATE
SPRING
AT
THE
% EARLIEST IF
THEY
DID
THAT.
% SO I
THINK
THE
SPEAKER
PROBABLY
% MADE
THE
CALCULATION
THAT
% THERE'S A DANGER THAT
THE
CLOCK
% WOULD
RUN
OUT,
YOU'D
GET
INT
O
% THE SUMMER.
% THE
DECISION WAS
WE
WANT
TO
DO
% THIS RIGHT
AWAY
SO
WE'RE
% PROBABLY
LOOKING
AT A
VOTE
% BEFORE
CHRISTMAS.% >>
WHICH ARTICLES
OF
IMPEACHMENT
% OR
CHARGES
ARE
MOST
LIKELY?
%
>> THIS IS
THE
ONE
PLACE
WHERE
% THERE
STILL
IS
INTERNAL
DEBATE.
% SPEAKER MET WITH
THE
CAUCUS
ON
% MONDAY.
% THERE'S
STILL A
DIFFERENCE
OF
% OPINION
OF
DO
WE
JUST
STICK
WITH
% UKRAINE
AND
ONE
ARTICLE WOULD
BE
% ABUSE
OF
POWER,
PROBABLY
% NARROWLY
DEFINED
AS
BRIBERY,
THE
% SECOND WOULD
BE
OBSTRUCTION
OF
% JUSTICE, THE
REFUSAL OF
THE
% WHITE HOUSE TO
GO
ALONG
WITH
% COOPERATING
AS
MANY OF
THE
% WITNESSES.
% SO
THOSE WOULD BE
THE
TWO
% ARTICLES.
% AND
THEN
IF
THEY
DECIDE
TO
MAKE
% IT
BROADER, THEY COULD
BRING
IN
% OBSTRUCTION FROM THE
MUELLER
% REPORT AS WELL.
% THAT'S WHERE SOME
PEOPLE ARE
% ARGUING TO
MAKE
IT
BROADER.
% >>
IN
TERMS
OF
THAT
EX
TERRITORY%
WHO
!
!TERRITORY--
EXPERT
WHO
TESTIFIED THIS WAS
% BEING
RUSHED,
DO
YOU
AGREE
WITH
% THAT?
% >>
NOT
REALLY.
% THAT
WAS
JONATHAN
TURLY,
THE
% EXPERT CALLED
BY
THE
% REPUBLICANS.
% HE SAID
HE
THEY
NEED
TO
SLOW
% DOWN TO
GET
THE
STRONGEST
% POSSIBLE
CASE.
% IN AN IDEAL
WORLD,
I AGREE
WITH
% THAT.%IT
WOULD
BE
WONDERFUL TO
HAVE
% THE
TESTIMONY
FROM
THOSE
KEY
% WITNESSES.
% BUT
WHEN
YOU
COMPARE
IT
TO
OTHER
% IMPEACHMENTS WE'VE
HAD,
ANDREW
% JOHNSON'S, THE
FIRST
AFTER THE% CIVIL
WAR,
THAT
WHOLE
PROCESS
% WAS ONE
WEEK LONG
FROM
THE% BEGINNING TO
THE
END, ONE
WEEK% TOTAL.
% SO
THAT
ONE
WAS
LIKE A
SPEED
% RECORD COMPARED
TO
WHAT WE HAVE
% RIGHT
NOW,
WHICH
IS
GOING TO
BE
% ABOUT
THREE
MONTHS
FROM
THE
% BEGINNING
OF
SPEAKER
PELOSI
% ANNOUNCING
THE
INQUIRY
TO
THE% ANTICIPATED VOTE ON
PROBABLY
% DECEMBER 20.
% SO
IT'S
AT LEAST
SLOWER
THAN
% THAT
ONE.
% WATERGATE
AND
CLINTON
% IMPEACHMENT
LASTED
LONGER.% >> IT
WAS
SAID THIS
WAS AN
% INCREDIBLY CLEAR CASE.
% DO YOU
AGREE
WITH
THAT?
% >>
YEAH.
% ESPECIALLY IF
YOU
KEEP
THE
FOCUS
% ON WHAT
HAPPENED
WITH
UKRAINE, I
% THINK THAT IT
IS A
CLEAR
CASE
OF
% ABUSE
OF
POWER.
% AND IF
YOU
LOOK
AT
THE
% REPUBLICANS'
MINORITY
REPORT% THAT WAS ISSUED
ON MONDAY
FROM
% THE
HOUSE
INTELLIGENCE
% COMMITTEE, THEY TRIED
TO
ARGUE
% THAT --
THEY
DEFINITELY TRIED
TO
% ARGUE THIS WAS
NOT A
CLEAR
CASE
% AND
THAT
IT
DOESN'T
MERE
RYT
% IMPEACHMENT.
% -- MERIT
% IMPEACHMENT, THAT
PRESIDENT% PRESIDENT
TRUMP
WAS
J
USTIFIED
IN
% ASKING
FOR
THE
INVESTIGATION OF
% BIDEN
AND
UKRAINE'S
INVOLVEMENT
% IN
THE
2016
ELECTION BECAUSE
% THESE
WERE
LEGITIMATE
CONCERNS
% ABOUT
CORRUPTION.
% THAT
WAS
THE
GENERAL
FRAMEWORK.
% THOSE
ARGUMENTS
DON'T
STAND UP
% TO A
COUPLE
OF
KIND
OF
COMMON
% SENSE
REACTIONS TO
WHAT
WE
KNOW
% ARE
THE
FACTS ON THE
GROUND.
% LIKE, FOR
EXAMPLE,
THAT'S
% TRUE AND IT
WASES
!
! IT
WAS
JUST A
GENERAL
% CONCERN
WITH
CORRUPTION, THEN
% WHY
RELEASE
THE
MILITARY
AID
% AFTER THIS
IS
REVEALED.
% WHY
NOT STICK
TO
YOUR GUNS AND
% SAY, NO,
WE'RE
TRYING
TO
PURSUE
% CORRUPTION HERE.
% SO
WHY
BACK
DOWN?
% WHY DENY
THERE'S A QUID PRO QUO
% WHERE IF THIS
IS A
LEGITIMATE
% AIM,
THEN QUID PRO
QUOS
ARE
DONE
% ALL THE
TIME.
% WHY
NOT
SAY
YES,
IT'S
A QUID PRO
% QUO.%>>
REPUBLICANS
ARE
ALSO
SAYING
% THAT
THIS
REALLY
IS
JUST
THE
% EMBODIMENT OF
DEMOCRATS'
HATRED
% FOR DONALD
TRUMP.
% WHAT
ABOUT
THAT?
% >> THIS
IS A
LINE
THEY
PICKED
UP
% IN
THEIR
MINORITY
REPORT AS
% WELL.
% THEY HAD
QUOTES
FROM
PEOPLE
THE
% DAY AFTER
THE
ELECTION
THAT
WE
% WANT
TO
IMPEACH PRESIDENT
TRUMP.
% THERE'S
PLENTY
OF
HATRED
FOR
THE
% PRESIDENT.
% BUT NANCY PELOSI
REACTED
% STRONGLY
AGAINST THAT
YESTERDAY
% AND
SAID,
NO,
IT'
S
NOT
ABOUT
% HATRED AT ALL.
% IT'S
THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY
%
TO DO
THIS.
% AND THAT'S
SOMETHING
THAT
SHE
% WAS
VERY
CLEAR
EARLY
ON
THAT
SHE
% HAD
NO
DESIRE
TO
IMPEACH THE
% PRESIDENT.
% IT
WAS
ONLY AFTER THE
PHONE
CALL
% WITH
DISA
!
THAT
THEY
HAD TO
GO
AHEAD
WITH
% THIS.%>>
YOU
CAME
IN
WITH A QUOTE
FROM
% THE
FEDERALIST
PAPERS.
% DESCRIBE
WHY
YOU
BROUGHT
IT
IN
% AND READ
IT
FOR
US.
% >>
THIS
IS
FROM
ALEXANDER
% HAMILTON
THAT
DEFINES
WHAT
THE
% FOUNDERS
MEANT
BY
IMPEACHMENT.
% THEY
DEFINED
IT
AS A
POLITICAL
% ACT
THAT WOULD
BE
DEFINED
BY
% CONGRESS,
NOT A
LEGAL
ONE,
AND
% AS AN
ABUSE
OF
PUBLIC
POWER
BY% AN OFFICE
HOLDER.
% BUT
THE
PART THAT
I
S
NOT
REALLY
% TALKED ABOUT
AS
MUCH
--
SO
% EVERYONE HAS
BEEN
QUOTING
THOSE
% LINES
FROM
HAMILTON.
% WHAT
HASN'T BEEN
QUOTED IN
THE
% LAST
WEEK
OR
SO
WAS
WHERE
HE
% CONNECTS
THIS
TO
POLITICS
TODAY
% AND
HOW
DIVISIVE
POLITICS COULD
% LEAD
TO
UNDERMINING THE
DUTY
OF
% SENATORS WHO ARE
SERVING
AS
THE
% JURORS IN
THE TRIAL.
% IN MANY
CASES,
WILL
CONNECT
% ITSELF WITH
THE
PREEXISTING
% FACTIONS AND
WILL
ENLIST
ALL OF
% THE
ANIMOSITIES,
PARTIALTIES,
% INFLUENCE ON
ONE
SIDE
THE
% OTHER.
% THERE WILL
ALSO
BE
THE
GREATEST
% DANGER
THAT
THE
DECISION WILL
BE
% REGULATED MORE BY THE
% COMPARATIVE STRENGTH OF THE
% PARTIES THAN
BY
THE
REAL
% DEMONSTRATIONS OF
INNOCENCE OR
% GUILT.
% SO HAMELL
SON
IS
!
HAMILTON
IS
WARNING
US
BE
% CAREFUL ABOUT
PARTIES
AND
DON'T
% GET STICK IN
YOUR PARTISAN SIDE
% OF
THIS
DEBATE,
BUT
BE
REALLY
% COMPELLED BY
THE
EVIDENCE OF
% INNOCENCE OR GUILT.
% I THINK
THAT'S A
STRONG
REMINDER
% NOT JUST
TO
THE
SENATORS
WHO% WILL BE
SERVING
AS
JURORS
IN
% THIS
CASE,
BUT
TO
THE
AMERICAN
% PUBLIC AS WELL.
% IT
SEEMS TO
BE
SO
LOCKED
INTO
% THEIR
PARTISAN VIEWS
ON
THIS
AND
% DON'T
NECESSARILY SEEM TO BE
% PAYING ATTENTION TO THE
EVIDENCE
% BEFORE
THEM.
%