% >>
I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT
ON "HERE AND
NOW,"
% COVERAGE OF
HOUSE
APPROVAL OF
% THE
IMPEACHMENT RESOLUTION.
% A
LOOK
AHEAD
TO AFFORDABLE CARE
% ACT
ENROLLMENT.
% THE
SIGN-UP
WINDOW
STARTED
% TODAY.
% AND AN
INSIDE
LOOK
AS A
NEW
% CRIMINAL
EXPUNGEMENT
PROPOSAL
% CIRCULATING AT
THE
STATE
% CAPITOL.
% IT'S "HERE AND NOW"
FOR
% NOVEMBER 1.%>> FUNDING
FOR "HERE AND
NOW"
IS
% PROVIDED, IN
PART,
BY
FRIENDS
OF
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
% >>
A
FIRST
LOOK
TONIGHT
AT
THE
% U.S.
HOUSE
OF
REPRESENTATIVES'
% VOTE
TO
ADVANCE
THE
PRESIDENTIAL
% IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY
ABOUT
THE
% PUBLIC
PHASE.
% THE RESOLUTION
AUTHORIZES
THE
% CHAIRMAN OF THE
HOUSE
% INTELLIGENT COMMITTEE
TO
CONDUCT
% OPEN
HEARINGS AND
ALLOWS
THE
% PRESIDENT AND
HIS
ATTORNEYS
T
O
% CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES ONCE
% TAKEN UP
BY
THE
JUDICIARY
% COMMITTEE.
% THAT COMMITTEE
WOULD
THEN
WRITE
% ANY ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT TO% BE
VOTED
ON
BY
THE
HOUSE.
% FOR HIS
PART, PRESIDENT
TRUMP
% AGAIN
DECLARES
THIS
AS A
WITCH
% HUNT AND
REPUBLICANS CALLED
THE
% VOTE A
SOVIET-STYLE
PROCESS.
% THE
DEMOCRATIC
LEADER
CALLS
THE
% PROCESS TRANCE
PARENTS
!
TRANSPARENT AND
OPEN.
% THE
VOTE
WAS
ALMOST
ALL
ALONG
% PARTY LINES.
% IN
WISCONSIN ALL
DEMOCRATS
VOTED
% AGAINST,
REPUBLICANS
!
VOTED--
!
% --%>>
JOINING U
S
NOW
IS
RON
KIND.
% SOME
WONDERED
WHETHER
YOU
WOULD
% VOTE ANY
ON
THIS
DISTRICT.
% WHY DID YOU VOTE IN
FAVOR?
% >>
FIRST
OF
ALL,
I'VE
ALWAYS
% BEEN IN
FAVOR
OF A
FULL,
% THOROUGH
INVESTIGATION TO GET TO
% THE BOTTOM
OF
THESE
EXTREMELY
% SERIOUS
ALLEGATIONS.
% AS A
FORMER
SPECIAL
PROSECUTOR% HERE IN WISCONSIN
,
I
KNOW
IT'S
% IMPORTANT
TO
GATHER
ALL
THE
% FACTS,
ALL A
THE
EVIDENCE SO
WE
% KNOW
WHAT AN
APPROPRIATE REMEDY% SHOULD LOOK L
IKE.
% I
ALSO
REMIND
PEOPLE
I
VOTED
IN
% FAVOR OF
OPENING
UP
THE
CLINTON
% IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY
BACK
THEN
% BECAUSE
I
VIEW
MY
ROLE
AS A
% COEQUAL
ROLL
OF
GOVERNMENT
% SERIOUSLY.
% WE
NEED
TO
MAKE
SURE
EVERYONE IS
% PLAYING BY
THE RULES.
% IF
WE
DON'T DO
IT, NO
ONE
ELSE
% DO.
% I THINK
IT'S
IMPORTANT
WE
DO
GO
% FORWARD ON
THE
INVESTIGATION,
% GATHER THE
INFORMATION IN
% REGARDS
TO
THIS
MATTER.% >>
AS
T
O
THE
CLINTON
% IMPEACHMENT, IN
THE
END
YOU
% VOTED AGAINST THAT.
% AM I
RIGHT?
% >> I
DID.
% THAT'S
CORRECT.% >>
WHAT
POLITICAL
CONCERNS DO% YOU
HAVE,
THOUGH,
WITH
VOTING
TO% PROCEED TO
THE
PUBLIC
PHASE
% GIVEN
YOUR
DISTRICT?
% >>
TRUTH?
% ZERO.%I DON'T THINK
YOU
CAN
MAKE
% POLITICAL
CALCULATIONS
WITH
% SOMETHING AS
SERIOUS
AS
THIS.
% IMPEACHMENT NEEDS TO
BE A
LAST
% RESORT, A
LAST
OPTION.
% IT'S AN
EXTRAORDINARY REMEDY
% THAT THE
FATHERS PUT
IN
THE
% CONSTITUTION IN
ORDER
TO
CHECK
% UNCHECKED PRESIDENTIAL
POWER
AND
% THE ABUSE
OF THAT
POWER.
% AND
I
WOULD
HOPE
AT
THE END OF
% THE DAY
THAT
WE
ALL
CAN
AGREE
AS
% AMERICANS
THAT
NO
PRESIDENT% SHOULD
BE
SHAKING
DOWN
ANOTHER
% FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO GET
THEM
% TO
DO A
POLITICAL HIT
JOB
ON
% THEIR
RIVAL.
% THAT'S THE
BASIS OF
THE
% ALLEGATION,
THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP
% WAS
USING
THE
WITHHOLDING
OF
% MILITARY ASSISTANCE
THAT
% CONGRESS
ALREADY
APPROPRIATED
% AND
WHERE
OUR
NATIONAL
SECURITY
% IS
DIRECTLY
IN
INVOLVED
SINCE
% UKRAINE
WAS
INVADED BY
RUSSIA
% AND
WITHHELD A
WHITE
HOUSE
% VISIT.
% THERE'S A STORY
THAT
CAME
OUT
% THAT
SAID THEY WERE
!
THEY
ARE
WITHHOLDING
% ASSISTANCE
TO
UKRAINIAN FOR
THE
% SAME
REASON, TO GET
THEM
TO
DO A
% POLITICAL INVESTIGATION AGAINST%
THE
BIDEN
FAMILY.
% THAT IS
DEEPLY
TROUBLING
TO
ALL
% AMERICANS.%>>
WHAT
HAVE
YOUR
CONSTITUENTS
% SAID TO
YOU
ABOUT
IMPEACHMENT OF
% THE
PRESIDENT
AND
THE
PROCESS?% >> WELL, I
THINK
THEY
APPRECIATE% THE
GRAVITY OF THE
ALLEGATIONS.
% I'VE BEEN
HAVING A
LOT
OF
% LISTENING
SESSIONS.
% MOST
OF
THEM
HAVEN'T
EVEN
READ
% THE
FOUR-PAGE
WHISTLE-BLOWER
% COMPLAINT.
% THAT'S
ANOTHER
IMPORTANT
POINT.
% THIS
WAS
INITIATED
BY
% NONPARTISAN
CAREER
INTELLIGENCE
% OFFICIALS
WORKING
IN
THE
WHITE
% HOUSE WHO ARE
DEEPLY
DISTURBED
% BY WHAT
THEY
HEARD
AND
SAW
THE
% PRESIDENT DOING
WITH
THIS
% FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
% THAT'S
WHAT
INITIATED
THIS
% ENTIRE
INVESTIGATION,
NOT
SOME
% POLITICAL WITCH
HUNT.
% AND
THOSE
ARE
SERIOUS
% ALLEGATIONS.%I DON'T
THINK
ANY
MEMBER
OF
% CONGRESS SHOULD
TAKE
LIGHTLY
OR
% TURN
THEIR BACK
TO.
% AND THAT'S
WHY
WE'VE
HAD
% WITNESSES COME
FORWARD
NOW,
TO
% CORROBORATE WHAT WAS
IN
THE
% WHISTLE-BLOWER.
% AND THEY HAVE
BEEN.
% AND
SOON
THAT WILL
BE A
PUBLIC% HEARING SO
THE
AMERICAN
PEOPLE% CAN BE
PRIVY
TO
THIS
TESTIMONY
% FIRSTHAND.%>> IN
YOUR
MIND
IS QUID PRO
QUO,
% WITHHOLDING
UKRAINIAN
AID
UNLESS
%
THAT COUNTRY
INVESTIGATED JOE
% BIDEN, A NECESSARY
ELEMENT
FOR
% IMPEACHMENT?%>> I DON'T BELIE
VE IT IS.
% IT'S CERTAINLY NOT
IN
THE
% CONSTITUTION.%JUST THE
FACT
THAT
ANY
PRESIDENT
% -- LISTEN.
% ANY
PRESIDENT THAT IS
ASKING A
% FOREIGN
GOVERNMENT
TO
DO
% SOMETHING,
THERE'S AN
INHERENT
% POWER
IMBALANCE TO
BEGIN
WITH.
% IT'S
HARD
FOR
ANOTHER GOVERNMENT
% TO
SAY NO
TO
THE UNITED
STATES
% OF
AMERICA
BECAUSE
OF
OUR
% ECONOMIC
AND
MILITARY WEIGHT.
% I'VE
NEVER
THOUGHT THERE
WAS A
% VALID
AMOUNT,
THAT
THERE
HAD TO
% BE A
SHOWING
OF
SOME QUID PRO
% QUO,
SOMETHING FOR
SOMETHING.
% BUT
CLEARLY
THE
EVIDENCE
IS
% POINTING
IN
THAT
DIRECTION,
THAT% HE
WAS
WITHHOLDING
THE
MILITARY
% AID.
% JUST
REMEMBER, THAT
AID
WAS
% FINALLY
RELEASED A
FEW
DAYS% AFTER
THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER REPORT% CAME
OUT.
% THERE
WAS
PRESSURE ON THE
WHITE% HOUSE
TO DO
IT
THEN
BECAUSE
% EVERYTHING WAS BLOWING
UP
ON
% THEM.
% IT'S CLEAR NOW
FROM
THE
% TESTIMONY
WE'VE
HEARD
FROM A
LOT% OF
THE
NONPARTISAN
PROFESSIONAL% PEOPLE IN
THE
WHITE
HOUSE
WITH
% FIRSTHAND INFORMATION THAT
% THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT
WAS
GOING
ON
% HERE.
% SO IT
IS
TROUBLING.
% AND
I
DID
NOT
GO
TO
CONGRESS
TO
% IMPEACH
THIS PRESIDENT
OR
ANY
% PRESIDENT.
% THE
LAST
THING
ON
OUR
MINDS.
% BUT,
AGAIN, IF
THE
CONGRESS
% DOESN'T STEP
FORWARD
AND
ACT
AS% A
COEQUAL
BRANCH AND
ASSUME
OUR
% CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO
% KEEP AN
EYE ON
THE
PRESIDENT AND
% WHAT
HE'S
DOING, NO
ONE
ELSE
% WILL.
% AND
HE
WOULD
MOVE
FORWARD
WITH
% UNFETTERED,
UNCHECKED
POWER,
% WHICH
COULD
PROVE DANGEROUS TO
% THE AMERICAN
P
EOPLE.% >>
YOU
TOUCHED
ON
THIS
BRIEFLY,
% BUT WHAT
IS
YOUR
RESPONSE
TO
% REPUBLICANS WHO
CALL
THIS
MERELY% A
WITCH
HUNT
OR A
SOVIET-STYLE
% PROCESS?%>>
WELL,
IT'S
FUNNY
THAT
THEY'RE
% NOT
ARGUING
ABOUT
THE
FACTS
AND
% THE
EVIDENCE, THAT
THEY'RE
% ATTACKING THE PROCESS.
% THEY'RE TRYING
TO
MAKE
THIS
SEEM
% IT'S
JUST A
POLITICAL
ADVENTURE.
% YET THERE'S BEEN
NO
REBUTTAL AT% ALL
WITH
THE
UNDERLYING
% WHISTLE-BLOWER REPORT
OR
THE
% CORROBORATING WITNESSES AND
% THERE HAVE BEEN MANY
OF
THEM
NOW
% COMING FORWARD
WITH
FIRSTHAND
% INFORMATION.
% NOW, YOU
CAN
ARGUE
WHETHER
YOU
% THINK THIS RISES
TO
THE
LEVEL
OF% AN
IMPEACHABLE
OFFENSE,
BUT
TO
% DENY THOSE
FACTS
AND
TO
TRY
TO
% DIVERT
AND
OBSTRUCT
ATTENTION
% FROM IT I
THINK
IS
VERY
% DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT
SETS A
% DANGEROUS
SIGNAL
TO
THIS
% PRESIDENT
AND
FUTURE
PRESIDENTS
% THAT
IT'S
FAIR
GAME,
THAT WE
CAN
% ASK
FOREIGN
GOVERNMENTS TO
% MEDDLE IN
OUR
ELECTION
PROCESS.% THAT WAS
THE
ONE
THING
OUR
% FOUNDERS
FEARED
THE
MOST,
WAS
% OUTSIDE
FOREIGN
INTERFERENCE
IN
% OUR DOE
MESS
STICK
!
DOMESTIC
AFFAIRS.
% WE
HAVE A
PRESIDENT
WHO
SEEMS TO% BE
COURTING
THAT,
NOT
JUST
% UKRAINE,
BUT
RUSSIA
AND
CHINA
% AND
HE'S
ASKED
AUSTRALIA
AND% GREAT
BRITAIN
TO
CONDUCT
% INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST SOME
OF
% HIS
RIVALS.% >> WHAT
ABOUT
THE
ARGUMENT
THAT
% DEMOCRATS
ARE TRYING TO
UNDO
THE
% RESULTS OF
THE
2016
ELECTION
OR
% PREEMPT THE NEXT
ONE?
% >>
WELL,
AGAIN,
FRED,
IT
WASN'T
% OUR
CALL
TO
START
THIS
% INVESTIGATION.%THIS WAS
BASED
ON A
% WHISTLE-BLOWER
COMPLAINT
FROM
% INTELLIGENCE CAREER OFFICERS IN
% THE WHITE
HOUSE
THAT
BROUGHT
IT
% TO OUR
ATTENTION.
% AND IT WOULD
BE
I
THINK
% EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE IF
WE
% DIDN'T
LOOK
INTO
THESE
% ALLEGATIONS, IF
WE
DIDN'T
% INTERVIEW WITNESSES TO
FIND
OUT% WHAT WAS
GOING
ON
HERE.
% SO,
AGAIN,
THEY'RE
TRYING TO
% MAKE THIS
INTO
SOME
POLITICAL
% FOOT
!
FOOTBALL,
BUT
WE'RE
RESPONDING
% TO A
NONPARTISAN
WHISTLE-BLOWER
% COMPLAINT AND IT WAS
OUR
DUTY
TO% FOLLOW UP
ON
THAT
AND
I
THINK IT
% WOULD
BE
UNPATRIOT PARTICULAR
IF
% WE
DIDN'T DO
IT.
% >>
THANKS
VERY
MUCH
FOR
JOINING
% US.%>>
MY
PLEASURE.
% >>
WE
ASKED
REPUBLICANS IN
THE
% WISCONSIN
DELEGATION TO
JOIN
US.
% THEY
DECLINED.
% HOUSE
JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE
MEMBER
% REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE JAMES
% SENSENBRENNER
RELEASED
ON
% STATEMENT ON THE
RESOLUTION
% SAYING,
QUOTE, AN UNFAIR
PROCESS
% CAN ONLY
LEAD
TO AN
UNFAIR
% RESULT
AND
THIS
ENTIRE
PROCESS,
% HE
SAYS, HAS
BEEN
FUNDAMENTALLY% UNFAIR
TO
THE
PRESIDENT.
% JUST
AS
NO
AMERICAN
INCLUDING
% THE
PRESIDENT IS
ABOVE
THE
LAW,% NO
ONE
IS
BELOW
IT,
EITHER.
% YET
SPEAKER
PELOSI
AND
CHAIRMAN
% SCHIFF
CONTINUE TO
ROB THE
% PRESIDENT OF
HIS
DUE
PROCESS
% RIGHTS.
% THE
RULES
OUTLINED
I
N
TODAY'S
% RESOLUTION
HE
SAYS
FALL
% EMBARRASSINGLY SHORT
AND
WILL
% DAMAGE THE CREDIBILITY
OF
OUR
% INSTITUTION.
% >>
THE
IMPEACHMENT
PROCESS
IS A
% DIZZYING
DISPLAY
OF
PARTISAN
% DIVIDE
IN
OUR
COUNTRY
AND
OUR
% STATE.
% IN
TONIGHT'S
CLOSER
LOOK, AN
% EXPERT ON
ELECTIONS,
MEDIA,
% AMERICAN
POLITICS,
THE
% PRESIDENCY, POLITICAL
% COMMUNICATION,
POLITICAL
% BEHAVIOR
AND
PUBLIC
OPINION.
% HE SHOULD BE ABLE
TO
SORT
THIS
% OUT.
% UW-MADISON PROFESSOR
O
F
% JOURNALISM
MIKE
WAGNER
JOINS
US.
% SORRY TO
GO
ON LIKE
THAT, BULL
% YOU ARE
THE
EXPERT.
% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
HOW
MUCH DO YOU
THINK
THE
% AVERAGE
WISCONSIN
VOTER
IS
% TUNING
INTO
THIS
IMPEACHMENT
% SHOWDOWN?
% >>
I
THINK A
LITTLE
BIT MORE
% THAN
BEFORE
BECAUSE CHANGE
IS
% STARTING TO
HAPPEN.
% MORE
WISCONSINITES ARE
BECOMING
% FAVORABLE
TOWARD
IMPEACHMENT.
%
I WOULD
SAY
THE
AVERAGE
PERSON
% IS STILL
PROBABLY
SEEING
THIS
% THROUGH THE LENS
OF
THEIR
% PARTISANSHIP AND
FOLLOWING
WHAT
% ELITES
ON
THEIR
SIDE
ARE
SAYING
% ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP
AND
WHAT
% SHOULD HAPPEN
TO
HIM
NEXT.
% >>
IN
FACT,
MY
NEXT
QUESTION
WAS% DO YOU THINK
THAT
AS
THIS
% PROGRESSES,
POTENTIALLY,
THAT
% THIS WILL
CHANGE
THE
MIND
OF
% SOME TRUMP
VOTERS IN
TERMS
OF
% VOTING FOR
HIM?
% >> I
THINK
IT
DEPENDS
UPON
WHAT
% WE
LEARN
ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP
% THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
% I THINK
IF
WE LEARN
MUCH
OF
% WHAT'S ALREADY
BEEN
REPORTED,
I
% THINK
PEOPLE
HAVE
ALREADY
THEN
% MADE
UP
THEIR
MINDS
ABOUT% PRESIDENT TRUMP
AND
THOSE
WHO
% LIKE HIM
WILL
CONTINUE TO
LIKE
% HIM
AND
THOSE
WHO
HAVE
OPPOSED
% HIM
WILL
SEE
THIS
AS
EVIDENCE
% THAT THEY WERE
RIGHT
TO
OPPOSE% HIM.
% IF
WE
LEARN
MORE
OR
IF
THERE'S
% MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
MORE
% PEOPLE
TO
EXPLAIN
WHY
THE
% CHARGES AGAINST
HIM
ARE
% PROBLEMATIC
FOR
SOMEONE
IN
THE
% POSITION OF THE
PRESIDENCY,
THAT
% MIGHT
CHANGE
SOME
POSITIONS
% AMONG
REPUBLICANS OR
% INDEPENDENTS
WHO
ARE
AMBIVALENT
% OR
JUST
TORN.
% >>
HOW
RESONANT DO YOU
THINK
THE
% ARGUMENT ON THE
PART OF
THE
GOP
% IS
THAT THIS IS
JUST AN
ATTEMPT
% BY
DEMOCRATS
TO
UNDO
THE
RESULTS% OF
THE
2016
ELECTION?%
>>
THE
CONSTITUTION
OUTLINES A
% PROCESS FOR IMPEACHMENT.
% THE
FOUNDERS
ALWAYS
THOUGHT
THIS% SHOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT
SHOULD
% HAPPEN.%IT
IS
NOT
UNDOING AN ELECTION.% IT IS
IN
FACT
DOING
THE
% CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY OF THE
HOUSE
% OF
REPRESENTATIVES.
% THEY
MAY
ULTIMATELY
DECIDE THEY
% SHOULD
NOT
IMPEACH
THE
% PRESIDENT, BUT
IT'S
NOT
TRYING
% TO
UNDO
THE
RESULTS OF
THE
% ELECTION.
% IT'S
NOT
LIKE HILLARY CLINTON
% BECOMES
PRESIDENT
IF PRESIDENT
% TRUMP WERE
REMOVED.
% MIKE PENCE
WOULD
BECOME
% PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES.% >> DO YOU
BELIEVE
THAT
VOTERS
% THINK RUDY
GIULIANI'S
SO-CALLED
% SHADOW
DIPLOMACY
IS
NO
BIG
DEAL?
% OR,
AGAIN, IS
THIS
JUST
THE
WAY
% THE
PARTISAN
MINDSET
WORKS?
% >> I DON'T
THINK
THAT
THE
% AVERAGE
VOTER HAS BEEN
ABLE
TO
% LEARN
ENOUGH
ABOUT
THA
T
BEHAVIOR
% TO
KNOW
MUCH MORE THAN
WAS
IT
ON
% MY
SIDE
OR
NOT.
% THE
MORE
WE
LEARN
ABOUT
THAT,
% WHICH
I
PRESUME WE
MIGHT
IN
THE
% IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY,
THE
MORE
%
SOME
VOTERS
MAY
DECIDE
THAT
% THAT'S
REALLY PARTICULARLY
% TROUBLING BECAUSE
IT'S
FOREIGN
% POLICY BEING
NEGOTIATED
OUTSIDE% OF
THE
APPARATUS OF
THE
% EXECUTIVE
BRANCH.
% REALLY
IT'S
OUTSIDE OF
WHAT
THE% DEPARTMENT OF
STATE
MIGHT
DO
OR
% THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE OR
THE% DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURIT
Y% OR
OTHER
RELEVANT
DEPARTMENTS
% THAT
ENGAGE
IN
FOREIGN POLICY
% MAKING.
% SO
IT COULD BE
THAT
THE
MORE
WE
% LEARN,
THE
MORE
TROUBLING
% PEOPLE'S
ATTITUDES BECOME
TOWARD
% IT.
% OR
IT COULD
BE
THAT IT
WAS
MUCH
% ADO
ABOUT
LESS
THAN
WE
CURRENTLY
% THINK.%>>
IS PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S
KIND
OF
% FIGHTING
STYLE
ATTRACTIVE
TO
% VOTERS
POTENTIALLY,
DESPITE THE
% FACTS?%>>
AGAIN,
I
WOULD
SAY
IT'S
% ATTRACTIVE TO
HIS
VOTERS.
% I DON'T THINK
IT'S
ATTRACTIVE
TO
% EVERYONE.
% I
THINK
THAT
HIS
STRATEGY TO
% CREATE A
CAW
!
BLURRY
OF
ACCUSATIONS
% AND
WILD
TWEETS
AND
STATEMENTS% THAT ARE NOT
TRUE
ARE
DESIGNED
% TO WIN
THE
SHORT-TERM
NEWS
% CYCLE.
% IMPEACHMENT IS A LONG
PROCESS.
% PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS
NOT
REALLY
% HAD TO GO
THROUGH A
LONG
PROCESS
% OF A
METICULOUS
CASE
BEING
BUILT
% AGAINST HIM.
% THE
MUELLER
REPORT
WASN'T A
SET
% OF HEARINGS THAT
LASTED
FOR
% MONTHS ON END.
% IT WAS
DRIP,
DRIP
WITH
% SOME
LEAKS HERE AND
THERE,
THEN
% THE RELEASE
OF
THE
REPORT
BUT
% THEN IT STOPPED.
% THIS IS
SOMETHING
THAT
COULD
GO
% ON
FOR A
VERY
LONG
TIME
IN A
% SUSTAINED WAY
THAT
WOULDN'T STOP
% AND
HIS
STRATEGY
MAY
BE
LESS% EFFECTIVE OR
ON
IT
MAY
BE
% EFFECTIVE IN
TURNING
PEOPLE'S% ATTENTION
AWAY
FROM
THE
% OBJECTIONABLE ISSUE.%>> DO
YOU
FEEL
AS
THOUGH THIS
IS
% ALMOST
ENTIRELY
HIS
STRATEGY AND
% THAT THERE
ISN'T A
CONCERTED
% EFFORT?%>> I DON'T KNOW
THAT
THERE'S A
% SET OF
MEETINGS WHERE
THEY
AGREE
% ON
EXACTLY
WHAT
THE
PRESIDENT IS
% GOING TO BE
TWEETING OR
SAYING
% AT A NEWS CONFERENCE OR
SAYING
% AS
HE
STANDS
OUT
BY
THE
% HELICOPTER BEFORE IT
TAKES
OFF.
% I
THINK
THOSE
OFTEN
COME
AS
% SHOCKS TO
HIS
STAFF,
IT'S
BEEN
% REPORTED, SHOCKS
TO
REPUBLICAN
% LEADERSHIP AND OTHERS.
% AND
SO
IT
SEEMS
THAT
SO
FAR
THE
% STRATEGY FOR
MOST
REPUBLICAN
% LEADERS HAS BEEN
TO
FIRST
SAY I
% DIDN'T HEAR WHAT
HE
SAID.
% THEN AFTER
THEY'VE HAD
TIME
TO
% TALK ABOUT
IT,
END
UP
SUPPORTING% THE
PRESIDENT.% >> WHAT
IS
IT
ABOUT
THE
KIND
OF
% FOREVER-GROWING
PARTISAN
DIVIDE
% THAT
MAKE
PEOPLE
COVER
THEIR
% EARS
AND
COVER
THEIR
EYES
IN
% FAVOR OF THE
TALKING
POINTS
OF
% THEIR
PARTY?
% >> I
THINK
WE'VE
BECOME
TOO
% QUICK
T
O
DISMISS
ANY
PROBLEM
% WITH
WHAT
W
E
MIGHT
CALL WHAT
% ABOUTISM.
% SOMETHING
OBJECTIONABLE
IS
% RAISED ABOUT
REPUBLICANS.
% PRESIDENT CLINTON
DID
SOMETHING
% SIMILAR.
% DEMOCRATS GET
ACCUSED
OF
% SOMETHING AND
THEY
SAY WHAT
% ABOUT PRESIDENT
TRUMP.
% RATHER THAN
SAYING THIS
IS
% BEHAVIOR
IS
NOT
OKAY,
PEOPLE ARE
% TOO QUICK TO
PUT
ON
THEIR
HOME
% TEAM
COLORS
AND
BEGIN
ATTACKING
% THE
OTHERS.% >>
PROFESSOR MIKE
WAGNER, THANKS
% VERY
MUCH.% >>
MY
PLEASURE.% >> THE
NEW
ENROLLMENT PERIOD
FOR
% THE
FEDERAL
HEALTH
INSURANCE
% EXCHANGE, THE
INSURANCE
% MARKETPLACE,
STARTS
TODAY
AND
% RUNS
THROUGH
DECEMBER 15.
% IN
TONIGHT'S LOOK
AHEAD,
WHAT'S
% NEW
FOR
INSURANCE PLANS?
% WHO
CAN
ENROLL?
% AND WHERE CAN
YOU
GET
% INFORMATION?
% FOR
THOSE
AND
OTHER
ANSWERS WE
% TURN
TO
ADAM VAN
SPANKEREN, THE
% COVERING
WISCONSIN
LEAD
% NAVIGATOR.
% THANKS FOR BEING
HERE.% >>
THANK
YOU
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
WHAT
CAN
CONSUMERS
EXPECT TO
% SEE IN
TERMS
OF PLAN
OPTIONS
% THIS
YEAR?
% >>
SURE.
% THERE
ARE
MORE
PLAN
OPTIONS THAN% EVER IN THE
STATE
AND THEY
HAVE
% IN GENERAL
--
THE
PREMIUMS HAVE
% GONE
DOWN
BY AN
AVERAGE
OF
4%,
% IN SOME
CASES A LOT MORE THAN
% THAT.%YOU
HAVE
MORE
PLA
N
OPTIONS
THAN
% EVER.
% 61
COUNTIES OR
SOMETHING
LIKE
% THAT
HAVE
THREE
PLANS
AT
LEAST
% TO
CHOOSE
FROM.
% >>
AND WE WERE
TALKING
JUST A
% MOMENT
AGO
ABOUT
HOW
CONSUMERS
% HAVE TO
BE A
LITTLE
BIT
CAREFUL
% THIS
YEAR
IN
LOOKING
AT
THOSE% PLAN
OPTIONS
BECAUSE
THE
FEDERAL
% GOVERNMENT
HAS
ALLOWED A
% DIFFERENT
KIND
OF
ARRAY.% >>
SURE.
% SO IT'S
REAL
!
REALLY
IMPORTANT PEOPLE
% GO
TO
healthcare.gov
IF
% THEY'RE DEALING
WITH
THE
% MARKETPLACE.
% THE
SHORT-TERM
PLANS
ARE
% MARKETED AT THE SAME TIME AND
% THEY
TEND
TO
LOOK
APPEALING
% BECAUSE
THEY'RE
CHEAPER.
% BUT THEY DON'T
HAVE
THE
SAME
% COVERAGE.
% THEY
DON'T
NECESSARILY
COVER
% PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.
% THEY OFTEN
HAVE A
LOT
OF LIMITS.
% SO THEY
DON'T
ADHERE
TO
THE
SAME
% ACA
RULES.
% >>
AND
THOSE
PLANS
WILL
DESCRIBE
% THAT'S THE
CASE?
% >> IN
THE
FINE
PRINT.
% SO
IT'S
IMPORTANT
THAT
PEOPLE
% KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE
DOING
AND
IF
% THEY NEED
ASSISTANCE, THEY CAN
% COME
TO AN
EXPERT
LIKE A
% NAVIGATOR, WHO
WILL
HELP
THEM
% CHOOSE
BETWEEN
DIFFERENT
% OPTIONS.%>>
THEY
CAN
DO
THAT
BY
PHONE, IN% PERSON
OR
ONLINE?
% >>
YES.
% SO
THEY
CAN
DEFINITELY ENROLL
BY
% THEMSELVES
AT
healthcare.gov
% OR BY
CALLING, BUT
WORK
WITH A
% PERSON.
% WE LIKE
TO DO
IT
FACE-TO-FACE% BECAUSE IT'S
THE
BEST
OUTCOME
% FOR
THE
CONSUMER.
% IT'S
THE
MOST
EDUCATIONAL.
% YOU
GET
THE
BEST
RESULT THAT
% WAY.
% BUT WE
CAN DO
IT OVER
THE
PHONE
% AND
PLAN
TO
DO
THAT
FOR
THE
MORE
% RURAL AREAS OF
THE
STATE.% >>
WHO
IS
ELIGIBLE
TO
ENROLL?
% >>
ANYONE WHO
IS
UNINSURED RIGHT
% NOW,
HONESTLY.
% BASICALLY, ANYBODY
WHO
NEEDS
% INSURANCE AND
IS OVER
THE
LIMIT
% FOR
BADGERCARE.
% THE PEOPLE UNDER
THE
LIMIT MIGHT
% BE
ELIGIBLE FOR
THAT
AND
WE
% WOULD CHECK FOR
THAT AS
WELL.% >>
WHO
GETS
SUBSIDIES AND HOW
% MUCH
DO
THEY
OFFSET
THE
% PREMIUMS?%>> SURE.
% THE
SUBSIDIES
GO UP
TO
400% OF
% THE
POVERTY
LEVEL,
WHICH
IS
KIND
% OF A
USELESS
NUMBER,
SO
IF
% YOU'RE
THINKING, YOU
KNOW, ONE
% PERSON
I
THINK
LIKE
$50,000
OR A
% LITTLE
BIT
LESS
THAN
THAT WOULD
% BE
400% OF THE
POVERTY LEVEL.
% YOU GET
HELP
TO
PAY
YOUR
PREMIUM% UP
TO
THAT
LEVEL.
% THE LOWER YOU
ARE,
THE
MORE
HELP
% YOU GET.
% IN SOME
CASES
WHEN YOU'RE
% STRUGGLING TO
MAKE
ENDS
MEET
AND
% YOU'RE NOT
MAKING A
LOT
OF
% MONEY, THOSE
PREMIUMS
CAN
GO
% DOWN
DRAMATICALLY,
EVEN
LIKE
15
% CENTS.%>>
ACCORDING
TO
STATE
OFFICIALS,
% ABOUT
400,000
PEOPLE
IN
% WISCONSIN
WERE
UNINSURED
AT
SOME
% POINT IN
2018.
% WHY
HAS
ENROLLMENT IN
THE
ACA
% PLAN
SLIPPED?
% >>
THAT'S A
REALLY
GOOD
% QUESTION.%THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF
FACTORS,% ONE OF WHICH IS
THE
ENROLLMENT% PERIOD
SHORTENED
IN
THAT TIME.
% IT
USED TO
B
E
THREE
MONTHS
AND
% NOW
IT'S
SIX
WEEKS.
% AND
OUTREACH AND
MARKETING HAS% STOPPED.
% THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT
HAS
% STOPPED
MARKETING
THE
INSURANCE
% MARKETPLACE.
% SO
IT'S
BEEN A
BURDEN
ON A
LOT
% OF
PARTNERS
AND
NONPROFIT
% GROUPS,
OUR
GROUP
COVERING
% WISCONSIN
TO
SPREAD
THE
WORD.
% >>
WHERE
SHOULD
PEOPLE
GO
IF
% THEY
WANT TO
GET
INFORMATION?
% >>
CALL
211
BECAUSE THAT
IS A
% RESOURCE THAT
ANYONE CAN
DO.
% JUST
DIAL
211
AND
GET
REFERRED
% TO AN
ASSISTER
IN
YOUR
AREA,
% MAYBE A
NAVIGATOR,
OR
CALL
% COVERING
WISCONSIN, GO
TO
OUR
% WEBSITE
WHERE
ALL
OUR
SCHEDULES
% ARE.
% WE HAVE
WALK-IN
EVENTS
IN
THIS
% AREA
EVERY
SATURDAY AND
% THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
% >>
WOW.
% AND
ALSO
healthcare.gov% >>
ALWAYS
healthcare.gov.% >>
ADAM VAN
SPANKEREN,
THANKS% VERY
MUCH.
% >>
GREAT.
% THANK
YOU.
% >>
NEW
LONG-FORM
REPORTING
FROM
% THE WISCONSIN
CENTER
FOR
% INVESTIGATIVE
JOURNALISM
LOOKS
% AT A PROPOSAL
TO
EXPUNGE SOME
% NONVIOLENT CRIMINAL
RECORDS.
% PROPONENTS
OF A
BIPARTISAN
% LEGISLATIVE
BILL
SAY
SUCH A
LAW
% CHANGE
WOULD
HEL
P
PEOPLE
WITH
% PAST
RECORDS
FOR
SUCH
THINGS
A
S
% MARIJUANA POSSESSION
GET
JOBS
OR
% PROFESSIONAL
LICENSES, FOR
% EXAMPLE.
% LEGAL
ACTION
OF
WISCONSIN
SAYS
% MARIJUANA
EXPUNGEMENTS COULD BE
% ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT
FOR
THOSE% WHO WERE
CONVICTED
DECADES
AGO,
% WHEN
FIRST-TIME
EVEN
MINOR
% POSSESSION WAS
CHARGED
AS A
% FELONY.
% HERE
TO
TALK
WITH
US,
SUSAN
LUND
% FROM LEGAL ACTION OF
WISCONSIN,% FROM
MILWAUKEE.% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
HOW
HARD IS
IT
CURRENTLY
IN
% WISCONSIN TO GET
SUC
H
CRIMINAL
% RECORDS
EXPUNGED?
% >>
WELL,
PEOPLE
CALL
LEGAL
% ACTION
EVERY
DAY
SEEKING
ACCESS
% TO
EXPUNGEMENT.
% AND WHEN
WE
TAKE
THOSE
CALLS,
% OFTENTIMES THEY ARE TRYING
TO
% MOVE
FORWARD,
RIGHT, TO
HAVE
% ACCESS
TO
EDUCATION, SAFE
AND
% STABLE
HOUSING,
FINDING
% FAMILY-SUSTAINING WORK.
% AND WHAT WE
HAVE
TO
TELL A
LOT
% OF THEM
IS
THAT
THEY
DON'T
% QUALIFY TO
PETITION
FOR
% EXPUNGEMENT BECAUSE
OF
TWO
MAIN
% ASPECTS
OF
OUR
CURRENT
LAW.
% THE
FIRST
ONE IS
THAT YOU
HAVE% TO
HAVE
BEEN
UNDER
THE
AGE
OF
25% AT THE
TIME OF
THE
COMMISSION OF
% THE
OFFENSE
TO
QUALIFY
TO
% PETITION FOR
EXPUNGEMENT.
% AND
THE
SECOND
ASPECT
IS A
% PRETTY
UNUSUAL
PROCEDURAL% REQUIREMENT THAT
THE
INDIVIDUAL
% HAS TO
HAVE
EXPUNGEMENT
GRANTED% AT THE
TIME
OF
SENTENCING IN
% ORDER
TO
QUALIFY.
% SO THAT
IS
VERY
LIMITING.% >>
YEAH.
% BOTH
THOSE
RULES
SEEM
UNUSUAL
TO
% ME,
BUT,
YOU
KNOW,
WHO
KNOWS% WHAT WAS
GOING
ON
WHEN
THEY
% WROTE THOSE
LAWS.
% BUT WHAT DOES
IT
MEAN
FOR A
% RECORD TO
BE
EXPUNGED?
% >> THE
PRACTICAL
IMPACT
OF
% HAVING A A
RECORD
EXPUNGED WOULD
% MEAN
THAT
THE
COURT
REMOVES
% ACCESS,
PUBLIC
ACCESS
TO
THAT
% FILE IN
THE
COURTHOUSE
AND
ALSO
% TAKES IT
DOWN
FROM
THE
FREE
AND
% EASILY
SEARCHABLE
COURT
RECORDS
% DATABASE
ONLINE.% >>
AND
PRESUMABLY
EMPLOYERS
AND
% LANDLORDS
AND
OTHERS
ARE
% ACCESSING
THAT
CCAP,
AS
IT'S
% KNOWN, THOSE
ONLINE
RECORDS% AVAILABLE TO THE
PUBLIC, AND
% FINDING
THESE
CRIMINAL RECORDS
% OF
THESE
PEOPLE?
% >> YES.
% THE
FREE,
SEARCHABLE
COURT
% RECORDS
ONLINE
IN
CCAP HAS
BEEN% A
REAL
GAME-CHANGER IN
% WISCONSIN.
% IT
HAS
REALLY
ENHANCED
THE
% STIGMATIZING IMPACT
OF A
% CRIMINALLE
!
CRIMINAL
CONVICTION
BECAUSE
NOW
% IT'S
NEARLY
UNIVERSAL FOR
% EMPLOYERS OR
LANDLORDS
TO
DO A
% COURT RECORD
SEARCH
BEFORE
THEY
%
WILL
EXTEND A
JOB
OFFER
OR
% HOUSING OPPORTUNITY.%>>
ACCORDING
TO WISCONSIN
CENTER
% FOR
INVESTIGATIVE
JOURNALISM
% REPORTING,
ARRESTS FOR
MARIJUANA
% ARE
THE
NUMBER
ONE
DRUG
OFFENSE
% IN
WISCONSIN,
AFFECTING
NEARLY
% 20,000
PEOPLE
IN
2018
ALONE.
% SO
IN
YOUR
EXPERIENCES, IS
THIS
% THE
KIND
OF
CASE THAT
IS
MOST
% OFTEN BROUGHT
TO
YOUR
OFFICE?
% >> FOLKS
BRING A
VARIETY
OF
LOW
% LEVEL
CASES
TO
OUR
OFFICE
% SEEKING
EXPUNGEMENT, A LOT
OF
% NONVIOLENT DRUG POSSESSION
% CASES,
SOM
E
PUBLIC
BENEFITS OVER
% PAYMENTS
CASES, A
VARIETY OF
% CASES THAT
ARE
IMPACTING
THEIR
% ABILITY TO
FIND
HOUSING,
% EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES
AND
% EMPLOYMENT.%>> DO YOU
HAVE A
PARTICULAR
CASE
% OF ONE OF
YOUR
CLIENTS
-- OF
% COURSE, NOT
NAMING
ANYONE, BUT
% THAT
STANDS
OUT,
OF AN
% EXPERIENCE WHERE
IT
JUST
SEEMED
% AS
THOUGH
THIS
PROCESS
REALLY
% HURT
THEIR
BUSINESS
GOING
% FORWARD?%>>
WELL,
ONE
THAT
COMES
TO
MIND
% IS JUST
LAST
WEEK AN
INDIVIDUAL
% CALLED
OUR
OFFICE
SEEKING
ACCESS
% TO
EXPUNGEMENT BECAUSE
OF A
% NONVIOLENT CONVICTION ON
THEIR
% RECORD
FROM
THE
'80s.
% SO THEY
WERE
CALLING
BECAUSE
% THEY'D
SERVED THEIR
SENTENCE AND
% THEY'D
PAID
ALL
THEIR
COURT
FEES
% AND
THEY
HADN'T
THOUGHT
ABOUT
% THIS
CASE
IN
DECADES, BUT
JUST
% THIS MONTH THEY
HAD
APPLIED
FOR
%
A A JOB
AND
THEN
TURNED
DOWN
% BASED ON
IT.
% SO
I
EASILY
PULLED THE
RECORD
OF
% THAT CASE UP
O
N
ONLINE
AND
I
SAW
% WHAT THEY WERE TALKING
ABOUT.
% SO
THAT'S
JUST
SOMETHING THAT
% HAS COME
INTO
OUR
OFFICE IN
THE
% LAST
MONTH
THAT
STICKS
WITH
ME.
% >>
THE
WISCONSIN
POLICY FORUM
% SAYS
THAT MORE
THAN
80,000
CASES% COULD BE
ELIGIBLE
FOR
% EXPUNGEMENT
UNDER
THE
PROPOSED
% LAW
CHANGE.
% WHAT
ARE
THE
S
IGNIFICANT CHANGES
% UNDER THE
BILL
THAT
WOULD
%
BROADEN
THE
ABILITY FOR
% EXPUNGEMENT TO THAT
EXTENT?
% >>
SURE.
% A COUPLE OF
THE
ASPECTS OF
THE
% PROPOSAL IS
IT
REMOVES
THE
AGE
% REQUIREMENT, RIGHT?
% SO
THE
PERSON
WOULD
NO
LONGER
% HAVE TO BE UNDER
THE
AGE
OF
25
% TO
QUALIFY
TO
ASK A
JUDGE
FOR
% EXPUNGEMENT.
% THE
SECOND
THING
IS IT DOES
% REMOVE
THIS
UNUSUAL
PROCEDURAL% REQUIREMENT
THAT A JUDGE WOULD
% HAVE
T
O
ORDER
EXPUNGEMENT AT THE
% TIME
OF
SENTENCING,
WHICH,
% AGAIN,
IS
JUST
--
IT'S
THE
% PUNISHMENT
PHASE OF
THE
CASE
AND
% JUDGES
ARE
RELUCTANT
TO
ORDER
% EXPUNGEMENT AT THAT TIME,
SO
% THAT
LIMITING
ASPECT OF THE
LAW
% IS REMOVED
IN
THE
PROPOSAL.
% A THIRD
THING
IS
THAT
THE
% PROPOSAL
MAKES
THIS
RETROACTIVE,
% SO
IT
WOULD
MEAN
THAT
PEOPLE WHO
% WERE
PREVIOUSLY
SENTENCED
UNDER
% THE
OLD
EXPUNGEMENT LAW
COULD
% NOW
HAVE A
PROCESS
TO
PETITION
% FOR EXPUNGEMENT.
% AND A
FOURTH
COMPONENT
THAT'S
% IMPORTANT IS
THE
PROPOSAL
MAKES
% CLEAR
THAT IT
WOULD
NOW
BE
% UNLAWFUL
EMPLOYMENT
%
DISCRIMINATION
TO
DENY AN
% INDIVIDUAL A JOB BASED
ON AN
% EXPUNGEMENTED
CONVICTION.% >> ALL
RIGHT.
% WE WILL
WATCH
THE
PROGRESS
OF
% THAT
BILL.
% SUSAN
LUND,
THANKS VERY
MUCH
FOR
% EXPLAINING IT TO
US.
% >> THANK
YOU.
% >>
YOU
CAN
SEE
THE
FULL% WISCONSIN CENTER FOR
% INVESTIGATIVE
JOURNALISM
REPORT
% BY
GOING
TO
% WISCONSINWATCH.ORG.
% >>
NOW
FOR AN
UPDATE ON
THE
% ACHIEVEMENT GAP
BETWEEN
WHITE
% AND
BLACK
STUDENTS I
N
WISCONSIN.% >> THIS
WEEK
THE
NATIONAL
% ASSESSMENT
OF
EDUCATIONAL
% PROGRESS, ALSO KNOWN
AS
THE
% NATION'S REPORT
CARD,
RELEASED
% RESULTS
FINDING
WISCONSIN HAS
% THE
WIDEST
ACHIEVEMENT GAP
IN
% THE
COUNTRY.
% SCORES
SHOW
THE
GAP
BETWEEN% BLACK AND
WHITE
STUDENTS
% INCREASING
IN
BOTH
MATH
AND
% READING.
% OF THE
STUDENTS WHO
TOOK
THE
% TEST
LAST
SPRING,
WHITE
4TH
% GRADERS
SCORED AN
AVERAGE
OF
227
% IN
READING,
WHERES
AS
BLACK
4TH
% GRADERS SCORED
188,
WIDENING THE
% SCORE
GAP
BY
SEVEN
POINTS
SINCE% 2017.
% IN
MATH,
WHITE
4TH
GRADERS
% SCORED
249,
WHILE
BLACK
STUDENTS
% SCORED AN
AVERAGE
OF
212,
% INCREASING THE
GAP
BY
ONE
POINT.
% THE WISCONSIN
SUPERINTENDENT
OF
% PUBLIC INSTRUCTION
SAID
THE
% RESULTS
INDICATE A,
QUOTE,
% CRISIS
AND
THAT
CLOSING
THE
GAP
% IS
IMPERATIVE FOR
THE
STATE.% >>
AND THAT
IS
OUR
PROGRAM
FOR
% TONIGHT.
% I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.
% HAVE A
GREAT
WEEKEND.
% >>
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FOR "HERE AND
NOW"
IS
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PART,
BY
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OF
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.