% >>
I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT
ON "HERE AND NOW," IN
% THE
AFTERMATH
OF
MASS
SHOOTINGS
% IN
EL PASO
AND
DAYTON,
WISCONSIN
% ATTORNEY
GENERAL JOSH
KAUL
IS
% MERE.
% HERE.
% NEW RESEARCH
SHOWS
WHAT
TWITTER
% REVEALS
ABOUT
MASS
SHOOTINGS.
% A
NEW
STUDY
REQUESTED BY
THE
% STATE ON
THE
VIABILITY OF
THE
% FOXCONN DEAL.
% IT'S "HERE AND NOW"
FOR
% AUGUST 9.
% >>
FUNDING
FOR "HERE AND
NOW"
IS
% PROVIDED, IN
PART,
BY
FRIENDS
OF
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
% >>
IN
THE
WAKE
OF
MASS
SHOOTINGS
% IN
TEXAS
AND
OHIO,
WISCONSIN
% LEADERS
ARE
EXPECTED TO
MEET
TO
% TALK
ABOUT
WHAT CAN
BE
DONE.
% IN
TONIGHT'S FIRST
LOOK,
% GOVERNOR TONY EVERS IS
PUSHING
% FOR
UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND CHECKS
% AND
WHAT'S
KNOWN
AS A
RED
FLAG
% LAW.
% THESE
ARE
MEASURES
SPEAKER ROBIN
% VOS
AND
SENATE
MAJORITY
LEADER% SCOTT FITZGERALD HAVE
OPPOSED.
% BUT THE
GOVERNOR
AND
LEGISLATIVE
% LEADERS HAVE AGREED
TO
TALK
NEXT
% WEEK.
% WISCONSIN
ATTORNEY
GENERAL JOSH
% KAUL
SUPPORTS BOTH
MEASURES.
% HE
JOINS
US
NOW.
% THANKS
FOR
BEING
HERE.
% YOU
HAVE
SAID
WHENEVER MASS
% SHOOTINGS
HAPPEN THERE
ARE
CALLS
% FOR ACTION.
% WHAT WILL BE
DIFFERENT
THIS
TIME
% IN
TERMS
OF
PUTTING
IN
PLACE
% THESE
GUN
CONTROL
MEASURES?% >>
I
THINK
WE'VE
REALLY
SEEN A
% SHIFT WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
THE
% RESPONSE
FROM
STATES
AND
FROM
% THE
FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AFTER
% SOME
OF
THESE
SHOOTINGS.
% WE SAW
THAT
IN
THE
WAKE OF
THE
% TRAGEDY
AT
PARKLAND.
% AND
I
THINK WE
ARE
AGAIN
SEEING
% REAL
ACTION
AND
REAL
MOVEMENT.
% PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS
COME
OUT
IN
% SUPPORT
OF A
RED
FLAG
LAW
AND
IS
% TALKING
ABOUT
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
% THE
GOVERNOR
OF
OHIO
HAS
% SUPPORTED MEASURES LIKE
THAT.
% I'M
HOPING WE
CAN
SEE
PROGRESS% HERE IN
WISCONSIN
NOW
BECAUSE WE
% HAVE
HAD
JUST
FAR TOO
MANY
OF
% THESE
TRAGEDIES
AND
I
THINK WE
% NEED
TO
TAKE
THIS
OPPORTUNITY
TO
% MAKE
CHANGE
THAT'S
GOING
TO
HELP
% KEEP
PEOPLE
IN
WISCONSIN
SAFER.
% I DON'T
WANT TO
BE
HAVING
THIS
% CONVERSATION
AGAIN
AFTER
ANOTHER
% TRAGEDY HERE IN
WISCONSIN.% >>
UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND
CHECKS
% ARE
WHAT
MOST
PEOPLE
MOST
OFTEN
% TALK ABOUT
IN
THE
WAKE
OF
THESE
% KINDS
O
F
MASS
SHOOTINGS.
% WHAT
IN
YOUR
MIND
SHOULD
SUCH
% CONVERSATION
ENTAIL?
% >>
I
THINK
EVERYBODY
PCH
!
PURCHASING% A
FIREARM
SHOULD
GO
THROUGH A
% BACKGROUND CHECK
PROCESS TO
MAKE
% SURE
THAT
THE
PERSON WHO
IS
% TRYING TO
BUY
THE
FIREARM
ISN'T
% PROHIBITED FROM DOING
SO.
% SOME
FIREARM
PURCHASES
TAKE
% PLACE
WITHOUT
THAT
KIND
OF
% CHECK.
% I
THINK
IF
SOMEBODY HAS
% COMMITTED A
!
A
FELONY,
THERE SHOULD
% BE
NO
LOOPHOLE
SO THEY
ARE
% PREVENTED FROM
BUYING A
GUN.% >>
ANOTHER
MEASURE
BEING
% DISCUSSED AS
WE'VE
DISCUSSED
IS
% THIS
RED
FLAG
LAW.
% NOW,
WHAT
WOULD
THAT
LOOK
LIKE?
% >>
SO THERE
ARE I
BELIEVE
17
% STATES RIGHT
NOW
THAT
HAVE
% SO-CALLED
RED
FLAG
LAWS
AND
THE
% BASIC
CONCEPT
IS
IF
SOMEBODY HAS% BEEN
SHOWN
TO A
JUDGE TO
BE A
% DANGER TO
THEMSELVES
OR
TO
% OTHERS AND
THERE'S A
LIMIT
IN
% WHO CAN
MAKE
THAT
SHOWING.
% IT'S
USUALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND% A FAMILY MEMBER.
% THE JUDGE WOULD
HAVE
THE
ABILITY
% TO
ISSUE AN
ORDER
THAT
% TEMPORARILY
REMOVES
FIREARMS
% FROM
THAT
PERSON.
% IF YOU
HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO
IS
% GOING
THROUGH A MENTAL HEALTH
% CRISIS
OR
SOMEBODY
WHO
HAS
% THREATENED TO
COMMIT ONE
OF
% THESE
HORRIBLE
MASS
SHOOTINGS,% THIS
GIVES A
TOOL
TO LAW
% ENFORCEMENT OR TO
THE
PEOPLE WHO
% KNOW THAT PERSON
BEST,
THEIR
% FAMILY
MEMBERS, TO
TRY
AND
GET% AN ORDER
TO
PREVENT A
TRAGEDY
% FROM
HAPPENING.
% AND A
LOT
OF
THESE
LAWS
WERE
% ADOPTED
FAIRLY
RECENTLY.
% BUT
CONNECTICUT'S LAW HAS
BEEN
% IN
PLACE
FOR
ABOUT 20
YEARS.
% THE
STUDIES OF
THAT
LAW
INDICATE
% THAT
IT
HAS
REDUCED
THE
SUICIDE
% RATE
THERE.
% SO I
THINK
THAT
THIS
LAW
WOULD
% MAKE
OUR
COMMUNITY
SAFER
AND
I
% THINK
IT'S
ONE WE
SHOULD
MOVE
% FORWARD
WITH.% >>
HERE'S
WHAT
SPEAKER ROBIN VOS
% TWEETED
ABOUT
RED
FLAG
LAWS.
% I WILL
NOT
ENTERTAIN
PROPOSALS
% TO TAKE
AWAY
SECOND
AMENDMENT
% RIGHTS.
% HOPEFULLY WE
CAN
FIND
COMMON
% GROUND ON
THE
REAL
PROBLEM
BY
% ADDRESSING
THE MENTAL HEALTH
% ISSUES
FACING
WISCONSIN.
% THERE'S A LOT
OF
CONTROVERSY
% AROUND THIS
IDEA
THAT
PEOPLE
% THINK
THIS
WOULD
JUST
MEAN
THAT
% PEOPLE
WOULD
NOT
BE
ABLE
TO
% EXERCISE
THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL
% RIGHTS TO HAVE
GUNS.% >>
THAT'S
JUST
WRONG.
% THERE'S
BROAD
PUBLIC
SUPPORT
FOR
% RED FLAG
LAWS
AND
UNIVERSAL
% BACKGROUND CHECKS BECAUSE
% THEY'RE
COMMON
SENSE.
% THEY'RE
ABOUT
PREVENTING PEOPLE% WHO
ARE A
DANGER
TO
THEMSELVES% OR
OTHERS
FROM
HAVING
ACCESS
TO% A
FIREARM
THAT CAN
BE
USED
FOR
% GUN
VIOLENCE.
% AND THESE
LAWS
ARE
IN
PLACE AS I
% SAID
IN
17
STATES.
% THERE'S
NOT A
SINGLE
STATE
WHERE
% THESE
LAWS
HAVE
FOUND TO
BE A
% VIOLATION OF
DUE
PROCESS
OR
% SECOND AMENDMENT
RIGHTS.
% I DON'T THINK
THE
SPEAKER
WOULD
% SUGGEST
THAT DONALD TRUMP
IS
% TRYING
TO
VIOLATE
PEOPLE'S
% SECOND
AMENDMENT
RIGHTS.
% NOW,
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO MENTAL
% HEALTH, THERE ARE A FEW
THINGS
I
% WOULD SAY.
% FIRST, THERE ARE
MILLIONS
OF
% PEOPLE
WHO
FACE MENTAL
HEALTH
% ISSUES AND I
THINK
IT'S
REALLY
% IMPORTANT
THAT
WE
NOT
STIGMATIZE% THOSE
PEOPLE.
% THEY'RE NO
MORE
LIKELY TO
BE A
% DANGER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
% BUT
IF
YOU DO
HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO
% IS GOING
THROUGH A
CRISIS,
% THAT'S
WHY WE
NEED
THIS
METHOD
% FOR
INTERVENING.% WE
CAN
EXPAND
MEDICAID IN
% WISCONSIN
SO
MORE
PEOPLE
HAVE
% ACCESS
TO MENTAL
HEALTH
% TREATMENT.%>> YOU
HAVE
SAID
THAT
YOU
% BELIEVE
THAT
RED
FLAG
LAW WOULD
% HAVE TO
BE
CAREFULLY
TARGETED.
% HOW
SO?
% >>
WELL,
I
THINK YOU WANT
TO
% MAKE IT FIRST
OF
ALL
SO
THAT A
% LIMITED GROUP
OF
PEOPLE
CAN
% REPORT TO GET
THAT
SORT
OF
ORDER
% IN
PLACE, WHICH
IS
WHY
I
THINK
% YOU
LIMIT
IT
TO
FAMILY
MEMBERS
% OR LAW ENFORCEMENT
WHO
CAN
SEE
% THOSE
SIGNS
OF
CONCERN,
THOSE
% RED
FLAGS.
% AND THEN
SECONDLY YOU WANT IT TO
% BE A
TEMPORARY ORDER
SO
THAT
THE
% PERSON
WHO'S
NOT
ABLE TO
HAVE A
% FIREARM
IS
ABLE
TO CHALLENGE
IT.
% THAT'S
WHERE
THOSE
DUE
PROCESS
% PROTECTIONS
ARE
AND
THAT'S
WHY% THIS
IS
CONSISTENT
WITH
SECOND
% AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
% >>
THANKS
VERY
MUCH.% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
A
CLOSER
LOOK NOW
AT
THE
GUN
% DEBATE AND FOR
THAT
WE
GO
TO
% MILWAUKEE.
% THAT'S
WHERE
WISCONSIN
CARRY
IS
% BASED, A NONPROFIT
THAT
EDUCATES
% AND
LOBBIES
FOR
SECOND
AMENDMENT
% RIGHTS.
% NIK
CLARK
IS
PRESIDENT
% WISCONSIN CARRY.
% THANKS
VERY
MUCH FOR
BEING
HERE.
% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
SO WHAT
IS
YOUR
REACTION
TO% RADIO
!
RENEWED
CALLS
FOR
UNIVERSAL
% BACKGROUND
CHECKS?
% >>
UNFORTUNATELY
EVERY
TIME
% THERE'S A SITUATION IN THE NEWS
% WITH
THE
MASS
SHOOTINGS,
THESE
% PROPOSALS KEEP
GETTING
% REGURGITATED.%SO I
THINK
IT SHOULD
BE
CLEAR
TO
% PEOPLE
THAT
IT'S
POA
!
POLITICALLY
% MOTIVATED.
% THE
GENTLEMAN
IN
EL PASO
PASSED% A
BACKGROUND
CHECK.
% THIS
WOULDN'T
HAVE
EVE
N
% ADDRESSED THE
SITUATION THAT'S
% PROMPTING THE
COVERAGE
IN
THE
% NEWS.
% PEOPLE SHOULD
UNDERSTAND THAT% THIS IS
MORE
ABOUT A
POLITICAL
% POSTURING THAN IT
IS
ABOUT
% SOLVING A PROBLEM.%>> I
WANT TO
GET
TO
THAT
IN A
% MINUTE,
BUT WHY
IN
YOUR
MIND
% WOULD A
UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND
% CHECK
BE
ONEROUS?
% >> SO
THERE'S A COUPLE
THINGS.
% UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND
CHECK
SOUND
% GREAT
AND OF
COURSE
MOST
PEOPLE
% WHEN
THEY
PURCHASE
THEIR FIRE
% REMEMBER A, THEY GO
TO A
RETAIL
% STORE,
THEY'RE
PASSING A
% BACKGROUND
CHECK.
% IF YOU
GO
TO A
GUN
SHOW
AND
% SOMEONE I
S
SELLING
GUNS
FOR A
% LIVING, YOU HAVE
TO
PASS A
% BACKGROUND CHECK.
% THERE'S A
PRIVATE
PARTY
% EXCEPTION.
% IF I
WANT
TO
BUY
FROM A
% GRANDFATHER, BROTHER OR
FRIEND,
% WE
DON'T
HAVE
TO
TRANSACT
THAT.
% THEY
WOULD
HAVE TO
HAVE A
% UNIVERSAL GUN
REGISTRY.
% HOW ELSE
WOULD
YOU
KNOW
THAT
% EVERY PERSON
PASSED A
BACKGROUND
% CHECK IN
ORDER
TO
PURCHASE THAT
% GUN?
% SO THAT'S
WHY A
UNIVERSAL
% BACKGROUND CHECK
WOULD
DO
TWO
% THINGS.
% IT
WOULD
NECESSITATE A
COST
% BECAUSE NO
ONE'S
GOING
TO
RUN
% THAT CHECK
FOR
FREE.
% SO
EVEN
AMONGST
FRIENDS, YOU'D
% HAVE TO
THEN
INCUR A
COST.
% AND
THERE WOULD
HAVE TO
BE
% UNIVERSAL GUN
REGISTRY
WHICH A
% LOT OF PEOPLE
HAVE A
GREAT
ISSUE
% WITH.%>>
WHY?
% >>
BECAUSE QUITE
FRANKLY
THERE'S% A LOT OF
PEOPLE
THAT
DON'T
TRUST
% THE GOVERNMENT.
% EVEN
WISCONSIN'S
FORMER
ATTORNEY
% GENERAL SAID
HIMSELF
THAT HE WAS
% PART OF
GOVERNMENT.
% HE DIDN'T
EVEN
WANT
THE
% GOVERNMENT TO
KNOW
WHICH
GUNS
% HE'S HAD.
% IN
CALIFORNIA THEY
PASSED A
LAW
% REQUIRING
CERTAIN
GUNS TO
BE
% REGISTERED.
% A
FEW
YEARS
LATER
THEYS
PASSED A
% LAW
TO OUT
LAW
THOSE GUNS
AND
% THEN THEY
HAD A
LIST
OF
PEOPLE
% THAT
HAD
THOSE
GUNS.
% THE
CLICHE
IS
THAT
REGISTRATION
% LEADS
TO
CONFISCATION
AND THAT
% WAS
TRUE
IN
CALIFORNIA
AND
WE
% WORRY
ABOUT
THAT
IN
OTHER
% PLACES.
% SO
WHY
SHOULD
WE
BURDEN
MILLIONS
% OF
LAW-ABIDING
CITIZENS FOR
% SOMETHING A FEW LOON
PARTICULARS
--
LUNATICS
% ARE
DOING
IN
THESE
MASS
% SHOOTINGS.
% IF
THE
GUN
IN
PARKLAND
OR
% EL PASO
HAD
BEEN
REGISTERED, IT
% WOULD
STILL
SHOOT
PEOPLE.% >>
NOW PRESIDENT
TRUMP
IS
SAYING
% HE
WANTS
INTELLIGENT
BACKGROUND% CHECKS AND
HE
HAS
SPOKEN
WITH
% SENATE
MAJORITY
LEADER
MITCH
% MCCONNELL WHO SAYS
HE'S
TOTALLY
% ONBOARD.
% WHAT'S
YOUR
REACTION TO
THAT?
% >>
I'M
SCARED
BY
INTELLIGENT
% BACKGROUND CHECKS.
% I'VE
HEARD
HIM
TALK
ABOUT
% WANTING SOCIAL
MEDIA TO BE
% INVOLVED.
% IF THE
THOUGHT
IS
W
E'RE
GOING TO
% GO
THROUGH
SOCIAL
MEDIA
AND
TRY
% TO
CREATE AN
ALGORITHM AND
TRY
% TO
IDENTIFY PEOPLE
WHO
ARE
HIGH
% PRIORITIES FOR
BEING A
MASS
% SHOOTER
THAT'S
SOME
PRETTY
% ORWELLIAN STUFF.
% THAT
MAKES
PEOPLE'S
SKIN
CRAWL
% THINKING THAT
THEY'D
HAVE
TO
% WORRY THAT
SOMETHING THEY
PUT
ON
% FACEBOOK,
AGAIN,
THAT
FOR
THEM
% IS
INNOCUOUS
WOULD
SOMEHOW
FLAG
% THEM TO
BE A
POTENTIAL MASS
% SHOOTER.
% THAT SOUNDS
LIKE
THE
THOUGHT
% POLICE TO
ME.
% I
KNOW
HOW
BACKGROUND CHECKS% WORK
RIGHT
NOW
AND I CAN'T THINK
% OF HOW
THEY
WANT TO
HAVE
MORE
% INTELLIGENT
BACKGROUND
CHECKS
% UNLESS
THEY'RE
GOING
TO
TRY
TO
% DO
SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
% PRESIDENT TRUMP
THINKS
THAT
% SOCIAL
MEDIA CAN BE
PART
OF
THIS
% FLAGGING
OF
POTENTIAL MASS
% SHOOTERS.
% THAT WOULD
BE IN
!
INFRINGING
ON
% CIVIL
LIBERTIES.% >>
WHAT'S
YOUR
OPINION
OF
RED
% FLAG
LAWS?
% >> RED
FLAG
LAWS WOULD
BE AN
% EXACT
REVERSAL
OF
CONSTITUTIONAL
% PRINCIPLES IN THIS
COUNTRY.
% WE'VE
GOT
INNOCENT
UNTIL
PROVEN
% GUILTY, THE
RIGHT
T
O
PRIVATE
% PROPERTY
AND
THOSE CAN'T BE
% TAKEN
FROM
YOU
WITHOUT
DUE
% PROCESS.
% NOW,
THE
RED
FLAG
LAWS
FLIP
% THOSE
AROUND
AND
BASICALLY
SAY% WE
CAN
COME
TAKE
YOUR
PROPERTY
% FIRST
AND
THEN
YOU
CAN
GO
GET A
% COURT HEARING
DOWN
THE
ROAD,
% SOME
SAY
TWO
WEEKS
AND
WE
DON'T
% HAVE A
SPECIFIC
PROPOSAL HERE
IN
% WISCONSIN
AND
IT
VARIES BY
% STATE.
% BUT THAT'S
TROUBLING AS WELL.
% I THINK
THAT
ALL OF THE
--
ALL% OF THE
INCIDENTS THAT
WE'VE
HAD
% SO
FAR,
THESE
INDIVIDUALS
% COMMITTED CRIMES.
% THEY COULD HAVE BEEN IN
JAIL,
% BUT
PEOPLE
WERE
LENIENT
ON
THEM.
% HERE
IN
MILWAUKEE
WE'VE
GOT A
% MASSIVE CRIME
PROBLEM
AND
% VIRTUALLY ALL
THE
PEOPLE
% COMMITTING
CRIMES ALREADY
HAVE A
% CRIMINAL
BACKGROUND
AND
ARE
% ALLOWED
TO
OWN
FIREARMS.
% WHEN
WE
SEE
THE
VAST
MAJORITY OF
% CRIMES BEING
COMMITTED
BY
PEOPLE% WHO AREN'T
ALLOWED
TO
OWN
GUNS,
% WHY
ARE
WE
FOCUSING
ON
ANOTHER
% SEGMENT O
F
SOCIETY.
% DO WE
WANT
TO
BE
ABLE
TO
SAY
TO
% SOMEONE,
LOOK,
I'M
WORRIED
ABOUT
% TALKING
TO
MY
COUNSELOR
OR
% PSYCHOLOGIST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS
% GOING
TO
RED
FLAG
ME?
% DO WE
WANT
TO
GIVE
LOCAL POLICE
POLICE
% DEPARTMENTS
ALL ACROSS THE
STATE
% THE
RIGHT,
THE
GOVERNMENT
THE
% RIGHT
TO
JUST COME AND
TAKE
YOUR
% GUNS?
% THAT'S A
REVERSAL
OF
CIVIL
% LIBERTIES.
% I
THINK
IF PRESIDENT TRUMP
% PUSHES
SOMETHING
NATIONALLY, HE
% GOT
AWAY
WITH
THE
BUMP
STOCK
% BAN.
% I DON'T
THINK
PEOPLE WILL
TURN
% THE OTHER
CHEEK
IF THEY HAVE
% SOMETHING
LIKE A
RED
FLAG
LAW
% THAT STARTS
TO
INFRINGE.
% WHAT'S GOING
TO
HAPPEN
THERE
IS
% SOMEONE'S
GETTING
DIVORCED,
% THEIR
SPOUSE IS
GOING
TO
RED% FLAG THE OTHER ONE.
% THAT'S
HOW
THESE
THINGS
ALWAYS
% WORK
OUT.
% >> WE
NEED
TO
LEAVE
IT
THERE,
% BUT THANKS
VERY
MUCH FOR
THE
% DISCUSSION.%>> IT'S
GOOD TO BE WITH
YOU.
% THANK
YOU.
% >>
RESPONSE
AND
REACTION TO
YET
% MORE
MASS
SHOOTINGS
IS
THE
% SUBJECT
OF
RESEARCH OUT OF
THE
% UW-MADISON.
% IN
TONIGHT'S INSIDE
LOOK,
HOW
% RESEARCHERS
LOOKED
A
T
SOCIAL
% MEDIA AND
SPECIFICALLY
TWITTER
% BECAUSE OF
HOW
IT
PROVIDES AN
% IMPORTANT WINDOW
INTO THE
NATURE
% OF PUBLIC
MOURNING
AND
POLICY
% DEBATES IN
THE
WAKE
OF
THESE
% TRAGEDIES.
% RESULTS APPEAR
IN
THE
JOURNAL
OF
% COMPUTER-MEDIATED COMMUNICATION%
AND MAY ADD
TO
OUR
UNDERSTANDING
% WHY THERE
IS
!
THERE
IS
SO
LITTLE
% LEGISLATIVE
SUCCESS.
% YINI ZHANG
IS
HERE.% >>
THANK
YOU
FOR
HAVING ME.
% >>
YOU
ANALYZED
ABOUT
ONE
% MILLION
TWEETS
ABOUT
MASS
% SHOOTINGS
OVER
TWO
YEARS
AND
YOU
% BROKE
THESE
TWEETS
INTO
THREE% THEME
GROUPS,
THOSE
BEING
% THOUGHTS AND
PRAYERS,
GUN
% CONTROL AND
DEFENSE
OF
GUN
% RIGHTS.
% HOW DID
THE
THREE
THEMES STACK
% UP IN
TERMS
OF
NUMBER
OF
TWEETS
% IN
EACH
CATEGORY
RIGHT
AFTER
% MASS
SHOOTINGS?
% >>
SO
DEPENDING ON THE
METHOD
WE
% USED
TO
ANALYZE
THOSE
TWEETS,
I
% WOULD SAY S
O
THE
MOST
TWEETS
WE
% SAW WAS
THOUGHTS
AND
PRAYERS,
% BECAUSE AS
YOU
MIGHT
SEE
RIGHT
% AFTER
EACH
SHOOTING, THERE
WERE
% LIKE AN OUT
POURING, THERE
WAS% AN
OUTPOURING
OF
EXPRESSION
OF
% SYMPATHIES IN
THE
FORM
O
F
% THOUGHTS AND
PRAYERS.
% I
WOULD
SAY
THAT'S
KIND
OF
LIKE
% AS INTENSE
AS THEY
WERE
% FLEETING.
% BECAUSE
THEY
JUST
PEAKED
RIGHT% AFTER THE
MASS
SHOOTINGS.
% BUT
THIS
APPEARED
WITHIN ONE
% DAY.
% AND THEN I
WOULD
SAY
THE
NEXT% WOULD BE
THE
GUN
CONTROL
AND
THE
% GUN RIGHTS.
% BUT
DEPENDING ON THE
METHOD
WE
% USED,
SO
IT
VARIES.% >>
SO I
WANT TO GET
DEEPER
INTO
% THAT
ISSUE OF THE
KIND OF
THE
% LONGEVITY
IN
THE
TWITTERSPHERE
% AND
SYSTEM
OF
THESE DIFFERENT
% KINDS OF THESE.
% YOU'RE
SAYING
THAT
THE
THOUGHTS
% AND
PRAYERS
WAS
KIND
OF
% FLEETING.%>> YES.%>>
LIKE
ONE
OR
TWO
DAYS?
% >>
YES.
% SO
THEY
JUST
SPIKED
IMMEDIATELY% AFTER THE
SHOOTING,
AFTER A
% PARTICULAR
SHOOTING, AND
THEN
IT
% STAYED IN
THE
SYSTEM,
STAYED
IN
% THE TWITTER
SYSTEM
FOR
JUST ONE
% DAY.
% AND THEN
KIND
OF
LIKE
% DISAPPEARED.%>>
AND
THEN
HOW
DOES
THAT
% COMPARE
TO
THE
GUN
CONTROL
% TWEETS?
% >> THEY
LASTED
FOR
ABOUT
35
% DAYS.
% SO
MUCH
LONGER
PERIOD.
% HOWEVER,
THIS
GUN
CONTROL
% DYNAMIC IS
ECLIPSED
BY
THE
GUN
% RIGHTS
DYNAMIC, WHICH
LASTED
FOR
% ABOUT 40
DAYS.
% >>
AND
YOU'RE ALSO
SAYING
IN
% YOUR
REPORT
THAT
NOT
ONLY
DID
% THE
DEFENSE
OF
GUN
RIGHTS
HAVE
% LASTING POWER
IN
THE
TWITTER
% SYSTEM, BUT
THAT IT
WOULD
KIND
% OF
CYCLE
BACK AS
WELL,
WHERE
THE
% OTHER
THEMES
DIDN'T,
WHERE
IF% THERE
WAS AN
ANNIVERSARY OR
SOME
% KIND OF
ACTION
OR
SOME
KIND
OF
% OTHER NEWS
SPIKE AROUND
THE
% PARTICULAR MASS
SHOOTING?% >> YEAH.
% THE
GUN
CONTROL
TWEETS,
WE
% OBSERVED A
CYCLICLE
!
CYCLICAL
PATTERN
% PROBABLY DUE
TO
THE
ANNIVERSARY% EFFECT
OR
WEEKLY
PATTERN
OF
% TWEETS.
% WE
OBSERVED
MORE
TWEETS
DURING
% THE
WEEKDAYS
AND
LESS
DURING
THE
% WEEKENDS.%>> HOW DO
YOU
EXPLAIN
THE
% DIFFERENCE IN
KIND
OF
THE
WHAT
% I'M
CALLING
THE
LONGEVITY
OF
% THESE
THEMES
IN
THE
TWITTER
% SYSTEM?
% YOU
KNOW,
HOW
DO
YOU
EXPLAIN
WHY
% THE
THOUGHTS AND
PRAYERS
IS
SO
% FLEETING
COMPARED
TO
THE
DEFENSE
% OF
GUN
RIGHTS.% >>
MASS
SHOOTINGS
ARE
TRAGEDIES.
% SO
THE
PUBLIC
TENDS
TO
FORGET
% THEM
QUICKLY.
% PUBLIC
ATTENTION
TEND TO
HAVE
% REALLY SHORT
RESPONSIBLES.
% SO
IT'S
UNSURPRISING
THAT
THOSE
% EVENTS CAN
BE
FORGOTTEN
VERY
% SOON
BECAUSE
OTHER
EVENTS
WILL
% COME UP AND
PEOPLE WILL
SHIFT
% THEIR
ATTENTION
TO
THOSE
EVENTS.% >>
NOW,
THE
RESEARCHERS
IN
THIS
% REPORT
SAY
THE
SIGNAL
ABOUT
THIS
% SENT
TO
JOURNALISTS
AND
% POLITICIANS IS
THAT THE
PASSION
% OF
GUN
CITES
SUPPORTERS
MERITS
% MORE ATTENTION.
% IS
THIS
WHY THERE
IS
SO
LITTLE% SUCCESS WITH GUN
CONTROL
% POLICIES?%>>
YES.
% THIS
IS
WHAT
WE
THINK
KIND
OF
% LIKE SOCIAL
MEDIA
EXPLANATION
% FOR
THE
LEGISLATIVE
STALEMATE
% FOR GUN
CONTROL.
% AS YOU
CAN
SEE,
THE
GUN
RIGHTS
% ADVOCATES HAVE
BEEN
REALLY
% ACTIVE
ON
TWITTER.
% THEY
KEPT
THEIR
VOICE
LOUD
AND
% STRONG.
% AND
THEN
THAT
IMPRESSION LEAD
TO
% THAT
THEY'RE
RESISTANT TO
% CHANGE,
SO
MIGHT
SEND A
SIGNAL
% TO
POLITICIANS TO
WE'RE
PAYING
% ATTENTION TO
ANY
LEGISLATIVE
% ACTIONS.
% SO
HERE WE
ARE
AND
YOU
SHOULD
% PAY ATTENTION
TO
OUR
CONCERNS
% AND LISTEN
TO
OUR
VOICES.
% THIS
IS
DIFFERENT
FROM
THE
GUN
% CONTROL
SIDE,
WHICH
IS
LESS
% ORGANIZED
AND
LESS
--
LASTS
% SHORTER.%>> ALL
RIGHT.
% YINI
ZHANG,
THANKS
VERY
MUCH
FOR
% JOINING US.
% I KNOW
THERE'S
MORE
WORK
AROUND
% THIS
RESEARCH
PROJECT
GOING
% FORWARD,
BUT THANK
YOU
VERY
% MUCH.%>> THANK YOU
FOR
INVITING
ME.
% >>
IN
TONIGHT'S LOOK
AHEAD, A
% NEW
ECONOMIC
ANALYSIS OF THE
% COSTS
AND
BENEFITS OF
THE
% FOXCONN DEAL
IN
WISCONSIN SHOWS
% THE
INCENTIVE
PACKAGE WAS
SO
% OUTSIZED
EVEN IF
THE
CONTRACT
IS
% RENEGOTIATED, WISCONSIN
WILL
% STILL
BE ON
THE
LOSING
END,
% POTENTIALLY TO
THE
TUNE
OF
% COSTING
THE
STATE
$290,000
PER
% JOB
CREATED.
% THE
STATE DEPARTMENT
OF
% ADMINISTRATION REQUESTED
THE
% STUDY
BECAUSE THE
SIZE
AND
SCOPE% OF
THE
FACILITY
HAS
CHANGED
% SINCE
FOXCONN
PROMISED A
$10
% BILLION
INVESTMENT AND
13,000
% JOBS FROM
FLAT
PANEL
SCREEN
% PRODUCTION
IN
RACINE
COUNTY.
% THE
COMPANY
STANDS
BY
ITS
% ORIGINAL
PROMISE FOR
JOBS,
BUT% GOVERNOR
EVERS
HAS
SAYS
THE
% PLANT
WOULD
EMPLOY
ONLY
1500
% PEOPLE
BY NEXT
YEAR.
% WE
CHECK
IN
SENIOR
ECONOMIST
% WITH
W.E.
UPJOHN INSTITUTE
FOR
% RESEARCH TIMOTHY
BARTIK.
% THANKS VERY MUCH FOR
BEING
HERE.
% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
HOW IS
IT IF
THE
FOXCONN
DEAL
% IS
RENEGOTIATED
IT
ACTUALLY GETS
% WORSE FOR
WISCONSIN
TAXPAYERS,
% THAT
$290,000
PER
JOB
CREATED?
% >>
WELL,
IF YOU
HAVE A NEW
% CONTRACT BUT YOU
USE
THE
SAME
% CREDIT
RATES,
THE
COST
PER
JOB
% ACTUALLY CAN
GO
U
P
BECAUSE
THE
% DISCUSSION NOW
IS
THAT
THE
NEW
% PROJECT WITH
FEWER
JOBS WILL
BE
% MORE
CAPITAL
INTENSETIVE,
HAVE A
% HIGHER
RATIO
O
F
ROBOTS
TO
% WORKERS.
% THE
INVESTMENT TAX
CREDITS
WOULD
% END UP
ACTUALLY
BEING A
HIGHER
% CREDIT
RATE
PER
WORKER.
% ORIGINALLY IT
WAS
OVER
$170,000
% PER
JOB.
% NOW
WE'RE
TALKING
ABOUT
% SOMETHING THAT MIGHT
BE
AS
MUCH
% AS
$290,000 PER
JOB.% >>
SO
WHAT
KIND
OF
RENEGOTIATION
% WOULD HELP
LEVEL
THE
COST
% BENEFIT
RATIO
HERE?
% >>
WELL,
I
THINK
THE
STATE
% SHOULD
EXPLORE AT
LOARG
!
LOWERING
THE
% COST
PER
JOB
TO
SOMEWHERE
% BETWEEN
$20,000
AND
$30,000
PER
% JOB.
% EVEN
THE
MA'AM
!
AMAZON
NEW YORK DEAL
% WAS
ONLY
ABOUT
$40,000 PER
JOB.
% WHEN
THE
JOB
WAS
ANNOUNCED,
% PEOPLE WERE
KIND
OF
FREAKED OUT
% BY
THE
WHOLE
THING
BECAUSE
IT'S
% SO
FAR
OUTSIDE WHAT
WE
USUALLY
% SEE
IN
ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
% IT'S
AT
LEAST
SIX
TO
SEVEN
TIMES
% TYPICAL INCENTIVE.
% IT'S
EVEN
MUCH
GREATER
THAN
THE
% INCENTIVES
OFFERED
TO
AMAZON
BY
% NEW YORK.%>>
ACCORDING
TO
YOUR
ANALYSIS,
% UNDER BEST-CASE
SCENARIOS
FOR A
% RENEGOTIATED
DEAL, HOW
MUCH
% COULD
WISCONSIN
SAVE?
% >>
OH,
WELL,
YOU
COULD
SAVE AN
% AWFUL LOT.
% YOU
COULD
GO
-- AS
I
SAID,
YOU
% COULD
GO
FROM
MAYBE
$290,000 PER
% JOB
TO DOWN
TO
$25,000
PER
JOB
% AND
THEN
THE
DEAL
MIGHT
ACTUALLY
% PAY
OFF
FOR
WISCONSIN
RESIDENTS.
% THE PROBLEM
IN
PAYING SO
MUCH
% PER
JOB,
IT'S
NOT
THAT
NEW
JOBS
% AREN'T WORTH
SOMETHING.
% THEY
ARE
WORTH
SOMETHING.
% THEY
BRING
US
TAX
REVENUE.
% BUT
THERE
ARE
ECONOMIC
COSTS
TO% THESE
THINGS.
% THEY
COME OUT OF
THE
STATE
% BUDGET SOMEWHERE.
% AND WHETHER OR NOT
YOU
RAISE
% TAXES
ON
HOUSEHOLDS
OR
OTHER
% WISCONSIN
BUSINESSES OR
CUT
% SPENDING,
CUT
PUBLIC
SCHOOL
% SPENDING,
CUT
UNIVERSITY
% SPENDING,
THERE'S AN
ECONOMIC% COST TO THAT.
% THERE'S
NOT A
FREE
LUNCH.% >>
IMPLICATIONS
ALL
AROUND
% EITHER
WAY.
% >>
RIGHT.
% I
MEAN,
BASICALLY, YOU
KNOW,
% CREATING
JOBS
IS
VALUABLE.
% AND
STATES
ARE
ACTIVELY
ENGAGED
% IN THIS.
% WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE%
THE BEST
WAYS
TO
CREATE JOBS.
% DO WE
NEED
TO
OFFER
TAX
% INCENTIVES?
% DO WE NEED
TO
OFFER
BUSINESSES% VARIOUS
TYPES
OF
SERVICES?
% CUSTOMIZED JOB
TRAINING, SMALL
% BUSINESS
DEVELOPMENT
CENTERS,% SMALL
BUSINESS
INCUBATORS.
% ALL
THESE
THINGS COST
MONEY,
% SOME
MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN OTHERS.
% IF YOU
END
U
P
SPENDING
$290,000
% PER
JOB,
IT'S
VERY
HARD TO
HAVE
% THAT
PAY
OFF
BECAUSE
THOSE
ARE
% BENEFITS.%YOU HAVE TO PAY
FOR
THE
% INCENTIVES AND
THAT
ENDS
UP
% COSTING YOU MORE
THAN
THE
JOBS
% ARE WORTH.
% >>
SO WHAT
IS
YOUR RESPONSE
TO% THE
OUTGOING
CEO OF
THE
% WISCONSIN
ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT
% CORPORATION WHO
DISPUTES YOUR
% NUMBERS AND
SAYS
YOU
MAKE
% ASSUMPTIONS THAT
COULD
NOT
OCCUR
% UNDER
THE
CONTRACT,
NAMELY,
THAT
% THE
COMPANY
WOULDN'T
BE
ELIGIBLE
% FOR
JOBS
PAYMENTS WITH
THE
% NUMBER
OF
EMPLOYEES AND IT
WOULD
% DEFAULT ON THE
CONTRACT
IF
IT
% DOESN'T
HAVE
5,850 JOBS
BY
THE
% END OF
2023?
% >>
I THINK
IT'S A
WEIRD
DEFENSE
% TO
SAY BEST-CASE SCENARIO IS
THE
% COMPANY
DEFAULTS
AND
WE
CALL
% BACK
ALL
THE
INCENTIVES
AND
% ASSUME
FOXCONN
STILL KEEPS
ALL
% THE JOBS THERE.
%
THAT'S KIND
OF A
WEIRD BEST-CASE
% SCENARIO,
THAT
SOMEHOW
1500
JOBS
% ARE
CREATED,
W
E
PAY
OUT A
HUGE
% AMOUNT
UPFRONT,
WE
ESSENTIALLY
% PROVIDE
FOXCONN
WITH A
% NO-INTEREST LOAN
FOR A
NUMBER
OF
% YEARS.
% THEN WE
GO
TO
COURT
AND
TRY
TO
% CLAW THAT
BACK.
% IS
THAT
GOING
TO
OCCUR
LEGALLY
% OR
POLITICALLY?
% WOULD THAT
ACTUALLY
OCCUR?
% THAT'S
THE BEST-CASE
SCENARIO.% ON THE OTHER HAND,
IF
FOR
SOME
% REASON ALL
THE
JOBS
WENT
AWAY,% WE
COULD
STILL
DO
THAT.
% WE'D
HAVE A COST OF
MAKING
THIS
% NO-INTEREST LOAN
AND
HAVE
NO
% JOBS IN
THE
END.
% CLAIMING
THAT
DEFENDING A DEAL
% BY
SAYING
THAT
DEFAULT IS
THE
% BEST
OPTION FOR
RESIDENTS
OF
% WISCONSIN
IS A
SOMEWHAT STRANGE
% DEFENSE OF THE
DEAL.% >>
FOR
ITS
PART,
FOXCONN SAYS
% THAT YOU
MISREAD
THE
IMPORTANT
% MULTIPLIER
EFFECT
OF
ECONOMIC
% DEVELOPMENT
PROJECTS LIKE
% THEIRS?
% DID
YOU
MISREAD
THE
MULTIPLIER
% EFFECT?%>> I
USED
THE
MULTIPLIERS THAT
% WERE USED BY
THE
VARIOUS
% CONSULTING FIRMS
THAT
ADVISED
% BOTH
FOXCONN
AND
THE
STATE.
% PEOPLE ALWAYS
LIKE
TO
CLAIM
% MAGIC
MULTIPLIERS.
% IF YOU
ASSUME A
LARGE
ENOUGH
% MULTIPLIER,
ANY
INCENTIVE
% PACKAGE CAN PAY
OFF.
% FOR
EVERY
JOB,
THERE'S
GOING TO% BE
FIVE,
SIX,
TEN
OTHER
JOBS.
% BUT
USUALLY
WHEN
PEOPLE
LOOK
% HARD
AT
MULTIPLIERS,
IT'S
PRETTY
% HARD TO
GET
THEM
MUCH
GREATER
% THAN
TWO
OR
THREE.
%
YOU
KNOW,
I
ASSUMED A
MULTIPLIER% BETWEEN TWO
AND
THREE, WHICH
WAS
% THE
MULTIPLIER
ASSUMED
BY
THE
% CONSULTING FIRMS
THAT
BOTH
THE
% STATE AND
FOXCONN
RELIED
ON.
% >>
ALL
RIGHT.
% WE
LEAVE
IT
THERE.
% THANKS FOR
TALKING
WITH
US
ABOUT
% YOUR
ANALYSIS.% >>
THANK
YOU
FOR
HAVING
ME
% AGAIN.%>>
COMING
IN
THE NEXT
WEEK, WE
% CAN
KICKING
OFF
SOME
% COLLABORATIVE
REPORTING
WITH
OUR
% COLLEAGUES
AT
WISCONTEXT ON
THE
% TOPIC
OF CLIMATE
CHANGE
AND
% FLOODING.
% IN RECENT
YEARS, TORE
REN
CHEL
% RAINS
AND
RAINS
AND
FLOODS
HAVE
% CAUSED
MILLIONS OF
DAMAGES I
N
% DAMAGE.
% 500-YEAR FLOOD
EVENTS
ARE
% BECOMING MORE
COMMON.
% ZAC SCHULTZ
TRAVELING
TO
SAWYER
% COUNTY.
% WE'LL
HEAR
WHY
HIGH
WATER
AND
% HEIN
NOR
!
PERMANENT
!
FLOODING
ARE
PERMANENT
FIXTURES
% IN
SAWYER
COUNTY.% >>
SANDY
FEELS
LIKE
MOST OF
THE
% WATER
IN
SAWYER
COUNTY COMES
% THROUGH HER
BASEMENT?
% >>
THIS
WHOLE
AREA
FLOODS
AND
IT
% COMES IN
EVERYWHERE.
% >>
AFTER
HEAVY
RAINS,
THE
% GROUNDWATER SPRAYS
INTO
THE
% BASEMENT.%>>
IT'S
LIKE
SOMEONE I
S
STANDING
% WITH A
SQUIRT
GUN BEHIND THE
% WALLS AND
JUST
IT
COMES
THROUGH
% EVERYWHERE.
% >>
WHEN
THE
FORECAST
CALLS
FOR
% HEAVY
RAINS,
SANDY
CAN'T
SLEEP.% >>
VERY
OVERWHELMING.
% ALL I
DO
IS
RUN
BACK
AND
FORTH
% BETWEEN
THE
TWO
HOUSES
AND
MOVES
% PUMPS AND
HOSES.% >>
BUT
SANDY
SAYS
IT
WASN'T
LIKE
% THIS
WHEN
SHE
BOUGHT
THESE
% HOUSES.
% THIS CREEK
AND
POND
WOULD
% OCCASIONALLY
DRY UP.
% >> LIKE I
SAY,
THERE
WASN'T EVEN
% WATER
IN
THIS
CREEK.
% I
MOWED
ACROSS
IT.
% >>
THE
WATER
LEVEL
IN
PLACES
% AROUND SAWYER
COUNTY
IS
JUST
% HIGHER
THAN
IT'S
EVER
BEEN.% >>
IT'S
AT
THE
BOTTOM OF
THE
% DRAINAGE SYSTEM
SO
IT
HAS
% NOWHERE TO
GO
FROM
HERE.
% >>
THE
FIRE
CHIEF
AND
PUBLIC
% WORKS DIRECTOR FOR
THE TOWN
OF
% HAYWARD HAS
BEEN
MONITORING
THIS
% ROAD.%>>
THERE WOULD BE
STRUCTURE
% ISSUES
THAT
HAVE TO BE
% ADDRESSED.%>>
HE
CAN
FIX THE
ROAD,
BUT
THE
% BIGGER
QUESTION
IS
HOW
SOON
WILL
% HE
HAVE
TO DO
IT
AGAIN?
% >>
ARE
WE
GOING
TO
BE
ADDRESSING
% THESE PROBLEMS
CONTINUALLY
FOR
% THE NEXT
20,
50
YEARS?% >>
YOU
CAN
SEE
THE
FULL
REPORT
% NEXT
FRIDAY
FOLLOWED
BY AN
% INTERVIEW
WITH
STATE
% TRANSPORTATION
SECRETARY DID HE
% DESIGNEE
CRAIG
THOMPSON.
% WILL
CUSHMAN
REPORTS
H
OW
OTHER
% COMMUNITIES ARE
GRAPPLING
WITH
% REBUILDING
AFTER
REPEATED
% FLOODING AND
STORMS.
% THAT
I
S
OUR
PROGRAM
FOR
TONIGHT.
% I'M HF.
FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A
GREAT
WEEKEND.
% !>>
FUNDING
FOR "HERE AND
NOW"
IS
% PROVIDED, IN
PART,
BY
FRIENDS
OF
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC