SHOOTINGS
% IN
TEXAS
AND
OHIO,
WISCONSIN
% LEADERS
ARE
EXPECTED TO
MEET
TO
% TALK
ABOUT
WHAT CAN
BE
DONE.
% IN
TONIGHT'S FIRST
LOOK,
% GOVERNOR TONY EVERS IS
PUSHING
% FOR
UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND CHECKS
% AND
WHAT'S
KNOWN
AS A
RED
FLAG
% LAW.
% THESE
ARE
MEASURES
SPEAKER ROBIN
% VOS
AND
SENATE
MAJORITY
LEADER% SCOTT FITZGERALD HAVE
OPPOSED.
% BUT THE
GOVERNOR
AND
LEGISLATIVE
% LEADERS HAVE AGREED
TO
TALK
NEXT
% WEEK.
% WISCONSIN
ATTORNEY
GENERAL JOSH
% KAUL
SUPPORTS BOTH
MEASURES.
% HE
JOINS
US
NOW.
% THANKS
FOR
BEING
HERE.
% YOU
HAVE
SAID
WHENEVER MASS
% SHOOTINGS
HAPPEN THERE
ARE
CALLS
% FOR ACTION.
% WHAT WILL BE
DIFFERENT
THIS
TIME
% IN
TERMS
OF
PUTTING
IN
PLACE
% THESE
GUN
CONTROL
MEASURES?% >>
I
THINK
WE'VE
REALLY
SEEN A
% SHIFT WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
THE
% RESPONSE
FROM
STATES
AND
FROM
% THE
FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AFTER
% SOME
OF
THESE
SHOOTINGS.
% WE SAW
THAT
IN
THE
WAKE OF
THE
% TRAGEDY
AT
PARKLAND.
% AND
I
THINK WE
ARE
AGAIN
SEEING
% REAL
ACTION
AND
REAL
MOVEMENT.
% PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS
COME
OUT
IN
% SUPPORT
OF A
RED
FLAG
LAW
AND
IS
% TALKING
ABOUT
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
% THE
GOVERNOR
OF
OHIO
HAS
% SUPPORTED MEASURES LIKE
THAT.
% I'M
HOPING WE
CAN
SEE
PROGRESS% HERE IN
WISCONSIN
NOW
BECAUSE WE
% HAVE
HAD
JUST
FAR TOO
MANY
OF
% THESE
TRAGEDIES
AND
I
THINK WE
% NEED
TO
TAKE
THIS
OPPORTUNITY
TO
% MAKE
CHANGE
THAT'S
GOING
TO
HELP
% KEEP
PEOPLE
IN
WISCONSIN
SAFER.
% I DON'T
WANT TO
BE
HAVING
THIS
% CONVERSATION
AGAIN
AFTER
ANOTHER
% TRAGEDY HERE IN
WISCONSIN.% >>
UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND
CHECKS
% ARE
WHAT
MOST
PEOPLE
MOST
OFTEN
% TALK ABOUT
IN
THE
WAKE
OF
THESE
% KINDS
O
F
MASS
SHOOTINGS.
% WHAT
IN
YOUR
MIND
SHOULD
SUCH
% CONVERSATION
ENTAIL?
% >>
I
THINK
EVERYBODY
PCH
PURCHASING% A
FIREARM
SHOULD
GO
THROUGH A
% BACKGROUND CHECK
PROCESS TO
MAKE
% SURE
THAT
THE
PERSON WHO
IS
% TRYING TO
BUY
THE
FIREARM
ISN'T
% PROHIBITED FROM DOING
SO.
% SOME
FIREARM
PURCHASES
TAKE
% PLACE
WITHOUT
THAT
KIND
OF
% CHECK.
% I
THINK
IF
SOMEBODY HAS
% COMMITTED A
!
A
FELONY,
THERE SHOULD
% BE
NO
LOOPHOLE
SO THEY
ARE
% PREVENTED FROM
BUYING A
GUN.% >>
ANOTHER
MEASURE
BEING
% DISCUSSED AS
WE'VE
DISCUSSED
IS
% THIS
RED
FLAG
LAW.
% NOW,
WHAT
WOULD
THAT
LOOK
LIKE?
% >>
SO THERE
ARE I
BELIEVE
17
% STATES RIGHT
NOW
THAT
HAVE
% SO-CALLED
RED
FLAG
LAWS
AND
THE
% BASIC
CONCEPT
IS
IF
SOMEBODY HAS% BEEN
SHOWN
TO A
JUDGE TO
BE A
% DANGER TO
THEMSELVES
OR
TO
% OTHERS AND
THERE'S A
LIMIT
IN
% WHO CAN
MAKE
THAT
SHOWING.
% IT'S
USUALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND% A FAMILY MEMBER.
% THE JUDGE WOULD
HAVE
THE
ABILITY
% TO
ISSUE AN
ORDER
THAT
% TEMPORARILY
REMOVES
FIREARMS
% FROM
THAT
PERSON.
% IF YOU
HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO
IS
% GOING
THROUGH A MENTAL HEALTH
% CRISIS
OR
SOMEBODY
WHO
HAS
% THREATENED TO
COMMIT ONE
OF
% THESE
HORRIBLE
MASS
SHOOTINGS,% THIS
GIVES A
TOOL
TO LAW
% ENFORCEMENT OR TO
THE
PEOPLE WHO
% KNOW THAT PERSON
BEST,
THEIR
% FAMILY
MEMBERS, TO
TRY
AND
GET% AN ORDER
TO
PREVENT A
TRAGEDY
% FROM
HAPPENING.
% AND A
LOT
OF
THESE
LAWS
WERE
% ADOPTED
FAIRLY
RECENTLY.
% BUT
CONNECTICUT'S LAW HAS
BEEN
% IN
PLACE
FOR
ABOUT 20
YEARS.
% THE
STUDIES OF
THAT
LAW
INDICATE
% THAT
IT
HAS
REDUCED
THE
SUICIDE
% RATE
THERE.
% SO I
THINK
THAT
THIS
LAW
WOULD
% MAKE
OUR
COMMUNITY
SAFER
AND
I
% THINK
IT'S
ONE WE
SHOULD
MOVE
% FORWARD
WITH.% >>
HERE'S
WHAT
SPEAKER ROBIN VOS
% TWEETED
ABOUT
RED
FLAG
LAWS.
% I WILL
NOT
ENTERTAIN
PROPOSALS
% TO TAKE
AWAY
SECOND
AMENDMENT
% RIGHTS.
% HOPEFULLY WE
CAN
FIND
COMMON
% GROUND ON
THE
REAL
PROBLEM
BY
% ADDRESSING
THE MENTAL HEALTH
% ISSUES
FACING
WISCONSIN.
% THERE'S A LOT
OF
CONTROVERSY
% AROUND THIS
IDEA
THAT
PEOPLE
% THINK
THIS
WOULD
JUST
MEAN
THAT
% PEOPLE
WOULD
NOT
BE
ABLE
TO
% EXERCISE
THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL
% RIGHTS TO HAVE
GUNS.% >>
THAT'S
JUST
WRONG.
% THERE'S
BROAD
PUBLIC
SUPPORT
FOR
% RED FLAG
LAWS
AND
UNIVERSAL
% BACKGROUND CHECKS BECAUSE
% THEY'RE
COMMON
SENSE.
% THEY'RE
ABOUT
PREVENTING PEOPLE% WHO
ARE A
DANGER
TO
THEMSELVES% OR
OTHERS
FROM
HAVING
ACCESS
TO% A
FIREARM
THAT CAN
BE
USED
FOR
% GUN
VIOLENCE.
% AND THESE
LAWS
ARE
IN
PLACE AS I
% SAID
IN
17
STATES.
% THERE'S
NOT A
SINGLE
STATE
WHERE
% THESE
LAWS
HAVE
FOUND TO
BE A
% VIOLATION OF
DUE
PROCESS
OR
% SECOND AMENDMENT
RIGHTS.
% I DON'T THINK
THE
SPEAKER
WOULD
% SUGGEST
THAT DONALD TRUMP
IS
% TRYING
TO
VIOLATE
PEOPLE'S
% SECOND
AMENDMENT
RIGHTS.
% NOW,
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO MENTAL
% HEALTH, THERE ARE A FEW
THINGS
I
% WOULD SAY.
% FIRST, THERE ARE
MILLIONS
OF
% PEOPLE
WHO
FACE MENTAL
HEALTH
% ISSUES AND I
THINK
IT'S
REALLY
% IMPORTANT
THAT
WE
NOT
STIGMATIZE% THOSE
PEOPLE.
% THEY'RE NO
MORE
LIKELY TO
BE A
% DANGER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
% BUT
IF
YOU DO
HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO
% IS GOING
THROUGH A
CRISIS,
% THAT'S
WHY WE
NEED
THIS
METHOD
% FOR
INTERVENING.% WE
CAN
EXPAND
MEDICAID IN
% WISCONSIN
SO
MORE
PEOPLE
HAVE
% ACCESS
TO MENTAL
HEALTH
% TREATMENT.%>> YOU
HAVE
SAID
THAT
YOU
% BELIEVE
THAT
RED
FLAG
LAW WOULD
% HAVE TO
BE
CAREFULLY
TARGETED.
% HOW
SO?
% >>
WELL,
I
THINK YOU WANT
TO
% MAKE IT FIRST
OF
ALL
SO
THAT A
% LIMITED GROUP
OF
PEOPLE
CAN
% REPORT TO GET
THAT
SORT
OF
ORDER
% IN
PLACE, WHICH
IS
WHY
I
THINK
% YOU
LIMIT
IT
TO
FAMILY
MEMBERS
% OR LAW ENFORCEMENT
WHO
CAN
SEE
% THOSE
SIGNS
OF
CONCERN,
THOSE
% RED
FLAGS.
% AND THEN
SECONDLY YOU WANT IT TO
% BE A
TEMPORARY ORDER
SO
THAT
THE
% PERSON
WHO'S
NOT
ABLE TO
HAVE A
% FIREARM
IS
ABLE
TO CHALLENGE
IT.
% THAT'S
WHERE
THOSE
DUE
PROCESS
% PROTECTIONS
ARE
AND
THAT'S
WHY% THIS
IS
CONSISTENT
WITH
SECOND
% AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
% >>
THANKS
VERY
MUCH.% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
A
CLOSER
LOOK NOW
AT
THE
GUN
% DEBATE AND FOR
THAT
WE
GO
TO
% MILWAUKEE.
% THAT'S
WHERE
WISCONSIN
CARRY
IS
% BASED, A NONPROFIT
THAT
EDUCATES
% AND
LOBBIES
FOR
SECOND
AMENDMENT
% RIGHTS.
% NIK
CLARK
IS
PRESIDENT
O
F
% WISCONSIN CARRY.
% THANKS
VERY
MUCH FOR
BEING
HERE.
% >>
THANKS
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
SO WHAT
IS
YOUR
REACTION
TO% RADIO
!
RENEWED
CALLS
FOR
UNIVERSAL
% BACKGROUND
CHECKS?
% >>
UNFORTUNATELY
EVERY
TIME
% THERE'S A SITUATION IN THE NEWS
% WITH
THE
MASS
SHOOTINGS,
THESE
% PROPOSALS KEEP
GETTING
% REGURGITATED.%SO I
THINK
IT SHOULD
BE
CLEAR
TO
% PEOPLE
THAT
IT'S
POA
!
POLITICALLY
% MOTIVATED.
% THE
GENTLEMAN
IN
EL PASO
PASSED% A
BACKGROUND
CHECK.
% THIS
WOULDN'T
HAVE
EVE
N
% ADDRESSED THE
SITUATION THAT'S
% PROMPTING THE
COVERAGE
IN
THE
% NEWS.
% PEOPLE SHOULD
UNDERSTAND THAT% THIS IS
MORE
ABOUT A
POLITICAL
% POSTURING THAN IT
IS
ABOUT
% SOLVING A PROBLEM.%>> I
WANT TO
GET
TO
THAT
IN A
% MINUTE,
BUT WHY
IN
YOUR
MIND
% WOULD A
UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND
% CHECK
BE
ONEROUS?
% >> SO
THERE'S A COUPLE
THINGS.
% UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND
CHECK
SOUND
% GREAT
AND OF
COURSE
MOST
PEOPLE
% WHEN
THEY
PURCHASE
THEIR FIRE
% REMEMBER A, THEY GO
TO A
RETAIL
% STORE,
THEY'RE
PASSING A
% BACKGROUND
CHECK.
% IF YOU
GO
TO A
GUN
SHOW
AND
% SOMEONE I
S
SELLING
GUNS
FOR A
% LIVING, YOU HAVE
TO
PASS A
% BACKGROUND CHECK.
% THERE'S A
PRIVATE
PARTY
% EXCEPTION.
% IF I
WANT
TO
BUY
FROM A
% GRANDFATHER, BROTHER OR
FRIEND,
% WE
DON'T
HAVE
TO
TRANSACT
THAT.
% THEY
WOULD
HAVE TO
HAVE A
% UNIVERSAL GUN
REGISTRY.
% HOW ELSE
WOULD
YOU
KNOW
THAT
% EVERY PERSON
PASSED A
BACKGROUND
% CHECK IN
ORDER
TO
PURCHASE THAT
% GUN?
% SO THAT'S
WHY A
UNIVERSAL
% BACKGROUND CHECK
WOULD
DO
TWO
% THINGS.
% IT
WOULD
NECESSITATE A
COST
% BECAUSE NO
ONE'S
GOING
TO
RUN
% THAT CHECK
FOR
FREE.
% SO
EVEN
AMONGST
FRIENDS, YOU'D
% HAVE TO
THEN
INCUR A
COST.
% AND
THERE WOULD
HAVE TO
BE
% UNIVERSAL GUN
REGISTRY
WHICH A
% LOT OF PEOPLE
HAVE A
GREAT
ISSUE
% WITH.%>>
WHY?
% >>
BECAUSE QUITE
FRANKLY
THERE'S% A LOT OF
PEOPLE
THAT
DON'T
TRUST
% THE GOVERNMENT.
% EVEN
WISCONSIN'S
FORMER
ATTORNEY
% GENERAL SAID
HIMSELF
THAT HE WAS
% PART OF
GOVERNMENT.
% HE DIDN'T
EVEN
WANT
THE
% GOVERNMENT TO
KNOW
WHICH
GUNS
% HE'S HAD.
% IN
CALIFORNIA THEY
PASSED A
LAW
% REQUIRING
CERTAIN
GUNS TO
BE
% REGISTERED.
% A
FEW
YEARS
LATER
THEYS
PASSED A
% LAW
TO OUT
LAW
THOSE GUNS
AND
% THEN THEY
HAD A
LIST
OF
PEOPLE
% THAT
HAD
THOSE
GUNS.
% THE
CLICHE
IS
THAT
REGISTRATION
% LEADS
TO
CONFISCATION
AND THAT
% WAS
TRUE
IN
CALIFORNIA
AND
WE
% WORRY
ABOUT
THAT
IN
OTHER
% PLACES.
% SO
WHY
SHOULD
WE
BURDEN
MILLIONS
% OF
LAW-ABIDING
CITIZENS FOR
% SOMETHING A FEW LOON
PARTICULARS
--
LUNATICS
% ARE
DOING
IN
THESE
MASS
% SHOOTINGS.
% IF
THE
GUN
IN
PARKLAND
OR
% EL PASO
HAD
BEEN
REGISTERED, IT
% WOULD
STILL
SHOOT
PEOPLE.% >>
NOW PRESIDENT
TRUMP
IS
SAYING
% HE
WANTS
INTELLIGENT
BACKGROUND% CHECKS AND
HE
HAS
SPOKEN
WITH
% SENATE
MAJORITY
LEADER
MITCH
% MCCONNELL WHO SAYS
HE'S
TOTALLY
% ONBOARD.
% WHAT'S
YOUR
REACTION TO
THAT?
% >>
I'M
SCARED
BY
INTELLIGENT
% BACKGROUND CHECKS.
% I'VE
HEARD
HIM
TALK
ABOUT
% WANTING SOCIAL
MEDIA TO BE
% INVOLVED.
% IF THE
THOUGHT
IS
W
E'RE
GOING TO
% GO
THROUGH
SOCIAL
MEDIA
AND
TRY
% TO
CREATE AN
ALGORITHM AND
TRY
% TO
IDENTIFY PEOPLE
WHO
ARE
HIGH
% PRIORITIES FOR
BEING A
MASS
% SHOOTER
THAT'S
SOME
PRETTY
% ORWELLIAN STUFF.
% THAT
MAKES
PEOPLE'S
SKIN
CRAWL
% THINKING THAT
THEY'D
HAVE
TO
% WORRY THAT
SOMETHING THEY
PUT
ON
% FACEBOOK,
AGAIN,
THAT
FOR
THEM
% IS
INNOCUOUS
WOULD
SOMEHOW
FLAG
% THEM TO
BE A
POTENTIAL MASS
% SHOOTER.
% THAT SOUNDS
LIKE
THE
THOUGHT
% POLICE TO
ME.
% I
KNOW
HOW
BACKGROUND CHECKS% WORK
RIGHT
NOW
AND I CAN'T THINK
% OF HOW
THEY
WANT TO
HAVE
MORE
% INTELLIGENT
BACKGROUND
CHECKS
% UNLESS
THEY'RE
GOING
TO
TRY
TO
% DO
SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
% PRESIDENT TRUMP
THINKS
THAT
% SOCIAL
MEDIA CAN BE
PART
OF
THIS
% FLAGGING
OF
POTENTIAL MASS
% SHOOTERS.
% THAT WOULD
BE IN
!
INFRINGING
ON
% CIVIL
LIBERTIES.% >>
WHAT'S
YOUR
OPINION
OF
RED
% FLAG
LAWS?
% >> RED
FLAG
LAWS WOULD
BE AN
% EXACT
REVERSAL
OF
CONSTITUTIONAL
% PRINCIPLES IN THIS
COUNTRY.
% WE'VE
GOT
INNOCENT
UNTIL
PROVEN
% GUILTY, THE
RIGHT
T
O
PRIVATE
% PROPERTY
AND
THOSE CAN'T BE
% TAKEN
FROM
YOU
WITHOUT
DUE
% PROCESS.
% NOW,
THE
RED
FLAG
LAWS
FLIP
% THOSE
AROUND
AND
BASICALLY
SAY% WE
CAN
COME
TAKE
YOUR
PROPERTY
% FIRST
AND
THEN
YOU
CAN
GO
GET A
% COURT HEARING
DOWN
THE
ROAD,
% SOME
SAY
TWO
WEEKS
AND
WE
DON'T
% HAVE A
SPECIFIC
PROPOSAL HERE
IN
% WISCONSIN
AND
IT
VARIES BY
% STATE.
% BUT THAT'S
TROUBLING AS WELL.
% I THINK
THAT
ALL OF THE
--
ALL% OF THE
INCIDENTS THAT
WE'VE
HAD
% SO
FAR,
THESE
INDIVIDUALS
% COMMITTED CRIMES.
% THEY COULD HAVE BEEN IN
JAIL,
% BUT
PEOPLE
WERE
LENIENT
ON
THEM.
% HERE
IN
MILWAUKEE
WE'VE
GOT A
% MASSIVE CRIME
PROBLEM
AND
% VIRTUALLY ALL
THE
PEOPLE
% COMMITTING
CRIMES ALREADY
HAVE A
% CRIMINAL
BACKGROUND
AND
ARE
% ALLOWED
TO
OWN
FIREARMS.
% WHEN
WE
SEE
THE
VAST
MAJORITY OF
% CRIMES BEING
COMMITTED
BY
PEOPLE% WHO AREN'T
ALLOWED
TO
OWN
GUNS,
% WHY
ARE
WE
FOCUSING
ON
ANOTHER
% SEGMENT O
F
SOCIETY.
% DO WE
WANT
TO
BE
ABLE
TO
SAY
TO
% SOMEONE,
LOOK,
I'M
WORRIED
ABOUT
% TALKING
TO
MY
COUNSELOR
OR
% PSYCHOLOGIST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS
% GOING
TO
RED
FLAG
ME?
% DO WE
WANT
TO
GIVE
LOCAL POLICE
POLICE
% DEPARTMENTS
ALL ACROSS THE
STATE
% THE
RIGHT,
THE
GOVERNMENT
THE
% RIGHT
TO
JUST COME AND
TAKE
YOUR
% GUNS?
% THAT'S A
REVERSAL
OF
CIVIL
% LIBERTIES.
% I
THINK
IF PRESIDENT TRUMP
% PUSHES
SOMETHING
NATIONALLY, HE
% GOT
AWAY
WITH
THE
BUMP
STOCK
% BAN.
% I DON'T
THINK
PEOPLE WILL
TURN
% THE OTHER
CHEEK
IF THEY HAVE
% SOMETHING
LIKE A
RED
FLAG
LAW
% THAT STARTS
TO
INFRINGE.
% WHAT'S GOING
TO
HAPPEN
THERE
IS
% SOMEONE'S
GETTING
DIVORCED,
% THEIR
SPOUSE IS
GOING
TO
RED% FLAG THE OTHER ONE.
% THAT'S
HOW
THESE
THINGS
ALWAYS
% WORK
OUT.
% >> WE
NEED
TO
LEAVE
IT
THERE,
% BUT THANKS
VERY
MUCH FOR
THE