% >> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A
% PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
% PRODUCTION.
% >> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT ON "HERE & NOW," A
% POLICE REFORM PROTEST IN MADISON
% TURNS VIOLENT.
% WHAT LED US HERE?
% AN INTERVIEW WITH UW-MADISON'S
% DR. SAMI SCHALK.
% PLUS, WISCONSIN VIEWS ON THE
% PROTEST MOVEMENT, THE COVID
% PANDEMIC AND THIS YEAR'S
% ELECTION.
% CHARLES FRANKLIN JOINS US FOR A
% LOOK AT THE POLL NUMBERS.
% FINALLY, A CLOSER LOOK AT
% PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS, AS BOTH
% THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT
% MADE STOPS IN WISCONSIN.
% IT'S "HERE & NOW" FOR JUNE 26.
% >> FUNDING FOR "HERE & NOW" IS
% PROVIDED FOR THE FOCUS FUND FOR
% JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
% WISCONSIN.
% >> THIS WEEK THE ARREST OF A
% BLACK ACTIVIST IN MADISON
% SPARKED A PROTEST THAT TURNED
% VIOLENT.
% STATE BUILDINGS WERE TARGETED,
% STATUES TOPPLED AND A DEMOCRATIC
% STATE SENATOR ATTACKED.
% REPORTER TREVOR KELLER TAKES A
% CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AND
% THE FALLOUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF
% THE VIOLENCE.
% >> WEDNESDAY MORNING SAW WORKERS
% CLEANING UP DAMAGE ON THE
% CAPITOL GROUNDS AFTER A NIGHT OF
% VIOLENT PROTESTS.
% THE PROTESTS FOLLOWED THE ARREST
% OF ACTIVIST DEVONERE JOHNSON ON
% TUESDAY.
% >> YOU'RE RACIST!
% >> VIDEO SHOWS JOHNSON ENTERING
% THE COOPERS TAVERN WITH A BAT
% AND A MEGAPHONE.
% >> I WOULDN'T BE IN HERE RIGHT
% NOW IF THIS TOWN WASN'T RACIST!
% >> VIDEO SHOWS SEVERAL OFFICERS
% DETAINING AND ARRESTING JOHNSON.
% >> WHAT AM I BEING ARRESTED FOR?
% >> HE WAS CHARGED WITH
% DISORDERLY CONDUCT WHILE ARMED,
% RESISTING ARREST AND ATTEMPTED
% ESCAPE.
% >> BLACK LIVES MATTER!
% BLACK LIVES MATTER!
% >> PEACEFUL PROTESTS FOR RACIAL
% JUSTICE AND POLICE REFORM HAVE
% BEEN A COMMON SIGHT AROUND THE
% CAPITOL FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.
% HOWEVER, FOLLOWING JOHNSON'S
% ARREST A GROUP OF PROTESTERS
% TOOK A MORE AGGRESSIVE TONE.
% A FIREBOMB WAS THROWN THROUGH
% THE CITY-COUNTY BUILDING.
% TWO STATUES NEAR THE CAPITOL
% WERE TORN DOWN.
% STATE SENATOR TIM CARPENTER SAYS
% HE WAS ATTACKED WHILE TAKING
% VIDEO OF PROTESTERS.
% >> LEAVE MY PHONE ALONE.
% >> HE WAS TREATED BY MEDICS AND
% LATER TWEETED HE WAS SORE AND
% MAY HAVE SUFFERED A CONCUSSION.
% GOVERNOR TONY EVERS ISSUED A
% RESPONSE EARLY WEDNESDAY,
% SAYING, QUOTE, "I WANT TO BE
% CLEAR.
% VIOLENCE AGAINST ANY PERSON,
% WHETHER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
% STREET IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, AT
% HOME TRYING TO SLEEP, GOING FOR
% A RUN OR HAPPENING UPON A
% PROTEST AS WAS THE CASE LAST
% NIGHT, IS WRONG."
% ASSEMBLY REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP
% CALLED FOR MADISON MAJOR SATYA
% RHODES-CONWAY AND GOVERNOR EVERS
% TO TAKE MORE FORCEFUL ACTION
% AGAINST VIOLENT PROTESTERS.
% >> HOW ABOUT WITHIN A MATTER OF
% HOURS WE'RE ABLE TO DEPLOY THE
% POLICE?
% IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRIORITIES ARE
% UPSIDE DOWN.
% WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE
% TAXPAYERS MONEY JUST CLEANING
% UP.
% >> ACTIVIST EBONY
% ANDERSON-CARTER SPOKE NEAR THE
% STATUE TITLED "FORWARD."
% >> WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD.
% WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS.
% >> REPORTING IN MADISON FOR
% "HERE & NOW," I'M TREVOR
% KELLER.
% >> TUESDAY'S PROTESTS IN MADISON
% IS SPARKING A DEEPER DEBATE
% ABOUT HOW FAR IS TOO FAR.
% DR. SAMI SCHALK IS AN ASSOCIATE
% PROFESSOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
% GENDER AND WOMEN'S STUDIES AT
% THE UW-MADISON.
% HER SPECIALTY IS THE
% INTERSECTION OF RACE, GENDER AND
% DISABILITY.
% SHE TALKED TO MARISA WOJCIK THIS
% WEEK.
% AS AN ACTIVIST HERSELF, SHE ALSO
% SPOKE TO WHAT LIKELY SPARKED
% THEM.
% >> IN RESPONSE TO THE PROTEST
% LAST NIGHT AT THE CAPITOL YOU
% TWEETED THIS MORNING PEOPLE IN
% MADISON CLUTCHING THEIR PEARLS
% AS IF FOLKS HAVEN'T BEEN
% PROTESTING AND MARCHING IN THE
% STREETS SHOUTING "NO JUSTICE, NO
% PEACE."
% YOU DON'T SEEM SURPRISED BY THE
% EVENTS LAST NIGHT, AND YOU SPOKE
% TO THIS A BIT.
% WHAT DO YOU KIND OF EXPECT GOING
% FORWARD?
% >> YEAH.
% SO, I MEAN, I ANTICIPATE THAT
% THERE WILL BE A WAVE OF
% REPRESSION, SO I ANTICIPATE --
% GOVERNOR EVERS ALREADY SAID THAT
% HE'S PREPARED TO PUT OUT THE
% NATIONAL GUARD.
% ANYTIME THE STATE KIND OF TRIES
% TO PUSH BACK, PEOPLE ARE GOING
% TO PUSH BACK MORE.
% SO RATHER THAN SAYING WE HEAR
% YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO DO
% SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM
% THAT YOU ARE SO UPSET ABOUT,
% THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SO HARMED BY,
% INSTEAD THERE'S THIS MASS
% SUPPRESSION.
% AND WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS,
% PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACT OUT EVEN
% MORE.
% WHEN YOU PUT MORE VIOLENCE ON
% THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT
% VIOLENCE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET
% VIOLENCE BACK.
% AND I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE
% THAT PROPERTY DESTRUCTION IS
% VIOLENCE.
% I THINK THAT IT IS A WAY THAT
% PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
% DISEMPOWERED AND HAVE NO OTHER
% WAY TO EXPRESS THEIR POWER OTHER
% THAN TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN
% EXPRESS THEIR POWER.
% RIGHT, THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE
% MAYOR AND THE GOVERNOR COULD BE
% DOING, BUT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE,
% THESE LIKE 17 TO 25-YEAR-OLDS
% FOLKS OUT IN THE STREETS, WHAT
% POWER DO THEY HAVE BESIDES TO
% STREAM THE STREETS AND PULL DOWN
% A STATUE TO SAY WE'RE HERE AND
% YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO US.
% SO I ANTICIPATE THAT THAT'S
% GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING UNTIL
% THINGS SHIFT IN TERMS OF THE WAY
% THAT THE CITY RESPONDS AND THE
% CITY HAS REALLY BEEN RESPONDING
% WITH THESE PLACATING MEASURES
% AND THEN GOING BEHIND OUR BACK.
% THAT VIDEO THAT CAME OUT OF THE
% MAYOR SPEAKING TO THE POLICE, NO
% ONE TRUSTS HER NOW.
% NO ONE BELIEVES SHE'S ON OUR
% SIDE IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
% AND, SO, YEAH, THE TRUST HAS
% REALLY BEEN BROKEN BETWEEN FOLKS
% WHO REALLY WANTED TO BELIEVE IN
% THE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE ETHOS OF
% MADISON THAT REALLY THINKS OF
% ITSELF AS THIS SPECIAL LITTLE
% GEM, SO DIFFERENT THAN THE REST
% OF WISCONSIN.
% AND WE SEE THAT IT'S ALL JUST A
% FACADE.
% SO FOLKS ARE REALLY FED UP.
% SO YEAH.
% I ANTICIPATE THAT WHAT WE SAW
% LAST NIGHT IS NOT THE END OF
% THAT.
% AND I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE
% MORE PUSHBACK FROM THE POLICE
% AND FROM THE NATIONAL GUARD.
% I ANTICIPATE THERE WILL PROBABLY
% BE GASSING OCCURRING AGAIN AND
% RUBBER BULLETS, BECAUSE THIS IS
% THE WAY THEY RESPOND TO PEOPLE
% EXERCISING THE LITTLE BIT OF
% POWER THAT THEY HAVE.
% >> YOU ARE HOPING FOR REAL,
% SUBSTANTIVE, LONG-TERM CHANGE AS
% AN OUTCOME OF ALL OF THIS.
% WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE
% SPECIFICALLY TO YOU?
% >> YEP.
% THAT LOOKS LIKE GETTING COPS OUT
% OF SCHOOLS IMMEDIATELY.
% THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE THING THAT
% WE CAN DO.
% IT'S SUMMER.
% BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTS,
% WE FIND NO COPS, ABSOLUTELY NO
% COPS IN SCHOOLS.
% IT MEANS DEFUNDING THE POLICE IN
% THIS CITY AND REDIRECTING THOSE
% RESOURCES TO OTHER AREAS TO
% PROVIDE THE KINDS OF SUPPORT
% THAT WE NEED.
% WE UNDERSTAND IN THE MOVEMENT
% THAT SOME OF THE JOBS THAT COPS
% DO ARE NECESSARY, RIGHT?
% LIKE WE NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN
% BLOCK TRAFFIC SOMETIMES WHEN
% THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
% THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A POLICE
% OFFICER WITH A GUN.
% THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.
% WE'RE DOING IT OURSELVES WITH
% OUR CARS.
% IT'S FINE.
% RIGHT?
% SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE
% RESOURCES, SOME OF THOSE
% RESOURCES NEED TO BE REDIRECTED
% INTO SAFETY AND TO MAKING SURE
% THAT THERE ARE THINGS TO HELP
% FOLKS WHO ARE HAVING MENTAL
% HEALTH CRISES.
% ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT
% IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE POLICING
% WITH GUNS AND THEY HAVE WAY TOO
% MUCH POWER AND CONTROL.
% THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEFUNDING OF
% POLICE AND REDIRECTING THOSE
% RESOURCES INTO THE SPACES WE
% ACTUALLY NEED TO MAKE THIS CITY
% SAFE AND USABLE FOR A WHOLE LOT
% OF FOLKS.
% SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS.
% AND THEN COMMUNITY CONTROL.
% THAT EVEN WHEN WE DEVELOP THOSE
% SAFETY COMMITTEES TO CREATE
% SAFETY, IT HAS TO BE UNDER
% COMMUNITY CONTROL, MEANING THAT
% INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, NOT PAID
% MEMBERS WHO ARE LIKE WORKING FOR
% THE STATE, BUT INDIVIDUAL
% MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE
% ABLE TO SAY WE FIRE YOU OR WE
% REPRIMAND YOU OR WHATEVER, THAT
% THEY HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO
% THE COMMUNITY, NOT TO
% THEMSELVES.
% WITH THE POLICE UNION, THE ONLY
% PEOPLE THAT CAN REPRIMAND POLICE
% ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE POLICE.
% THAT MAKES NO SENSE, MAKES NO
% SENSE FOR THEM TO BE THE ONES
% THAT ARE SO-CALLED KEEPING
% THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
% THIS IS NO WAY TO HOLD PEOPLE
% ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY'RE JUST
% DOING IT WITHIN A GROUP.
% SO THERE NEEDS TO BE COMMUNITY
% CONTROL OF POLICE.
% THEY NEED TO BE OUT OF SCHOOLS.
% AND THEY NEED TO BE DEFUNDED.
% THAT'S OUR FIRST KIND OF MAJOR
% THING.
% BUT OF COURSE THERE ARE ALL
% KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE
% WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO MAKE SURE
% THAT WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE
% PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE, INCLUDING
% MIGHT WHITE FOLKS, INCLUDING
% STRAIGHT FOLKS LIKE Y'ALL, WE
% WANT Y'ALL TO BE OKAY, TOO.
% BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN,
% WE HAVE TO BE OKAY.
% THAT'S WHY WE STRESS FOLKS WHO
% ARE MOST MARGINALIZED AND
% OPPRESSED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
% NEEDS TO CHANGE.
% >> GOVERNOR EVERS ONCE AGAIN
% DEPLOYED THE WISCONSIN NATIONAL
% GUARD TO PROTECT STATE PROPERTY.
% WE INVITED THE GOVERNOR TO JOIN
% US THIS WEEK, BUT WERE TOLD IT
% DID NOT FIT INTO HIS SCHEDULE.
% THE MORNING AFTER TUESDAY'S
% PROTEST IN MADISON, EVERS
% RELEASED THE FOLLOWING
% STATEMENT:
% "ANY SINGLE ACT OF INJUSTICE
% AGAINST ONE PERSON IS LESS
% JUSTICE FOR ALL OF US AND PEOPLE
% WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
% MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH SENATOR
% CARPENTER AND WISH HIM A QUICK
% RECOVERY."
% >> THIS WEEK, U.S. SENATE
% REPUBLICANS AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS
% COULD NOT FIND COMMON GROUND ON
% COMPETING POLICE REFORM BILLS.
% DEMOCRATS CHARGE REPUBLICAN
% POLICY PROPOSALS DON'T GO FAR
% ENOUGH.
% IT LOOKS LIKELY THE TWO SIDES
% WILL NEED TO CAUCUS TO RECONCILE
% DIFFERENCES.
% LAST WEEK, WE HEARD FROM
% DEMOCRAT REPRESENTATIVE MARK
% POCAN.
% THIS WEEK, ZAC SCHULTZ CAUGHT UP
% WITH REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN
% GLENN GROTHMAN FOR HIS REACTION.
% >> WELL, THE BILL NANCY PELOSI
% IS GOING TO PUT ON THE FLOOR IS
% A DANGEROUS BILL.
% WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE QUALIFIED
% IMMUNITY FOR POLICE OFFICERS,
% YOU ARE PUTTING THEM AT RISK BIG
% TIME.
% YOU WOULDN'T BE SHUTTING DOWN
% THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, BUT YOU
% COULD MAKE THEM VERY
% INEFFECTIVE.
% YOU LOOK AT THE HUGE INCREASE IN
% MURDERS HERE IN MILWAUKEE, THE
% INCREASE IN MURDERS IN CHICAGO.
% THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO
% RIGHT NOW IS HAMSTRING THE
% POLICE.
% AND I'M SAYING THAT FROM
% SOMEBODY WHO DID TRY TO MAKE IT
% EASIER TO FIRE THE POLICE AROUND
% 2008.
% AND THERE ARE NO QUESTION IT
% SHOULD BE EASIER TO REMOVE A BAD
% POLICE OFFICER.
% BUT TO PUNISH ALL THE POLICE
% OFFICERS IS GOING TOO FAR.
% >> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ON
% THURSDAY MADE A STOP AT
% MARINETTE MARINE.
% TRUMP TOURED THE SHIPYARD IN
% MARINETTE THAT WAS AWARDED A
% $5.5 BILLION NAVY CONTRACT TO
% BUILD NEW FRIGATES.
% IT IS EXPECTED TO CREATE 1,000
% JOBS AT THE SHIPYARD AS A RESULT
% OF THAT CONTRACT.
% >> BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT
% RIGHT HERE IN THE AMERICAN
% HEARTLAND AND IT'S GOING TO BE
% BUILT BY YOU AND IT'S GOING TO
% GO ON FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE
% IT'S UP TO 20 SHIPS AND IT MIGHT
% BE EXTENDED AND THEY'RE WORKING
% ON EXTENSION RIGHT NOW AND WE'LL
% SEE.
% BUT JUST GO.
% YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING YOUR
% HEARTS AWAY.
% >> THAT VISIT COMES JUST TWO
% DAYS AFTER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE
% PENCE STOPPED IN WAUKESHA COUNTY
% TO KICK OFF HIS "FAITH IN
% AMERICA" TOUR.
% SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER ZAC
% SCHULTZ WAS THERE.
% >> MIKE PENCE'S OPENING WORDS
% WERE NOTHING NEW FOR A
% POLITICIAN.
% >> WELL, HELLO, WISCONSIN!
% [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
% >> YOU ALL LOOK GREAT.
% THANKS FOR COMING OUT TODAY.
% >> BUT "YOU LOOK GREAT, THANKS
% FOR COMING OUT" CARRIES
% ADDITIONAL MEANING AS THE TRUMP
% CAMPAIGN RENEWS IN-PERSON
% RALLIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
% COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
% OVER THE WEEKEND DONALD TRUMP
% MET LACKLUSTER CROWDS IN TULSA,
% OKLAHOMA, SO PENCE HAD TO FEEL
% GOOD ABOUT THE 200 THAT
% REPRESENTED A CAPACITY CROWD IN
% WISCONSIN.
% >> I COME TO WISCONSIN TODAY FOR
% ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY.
% AND THAT IS THAT WISCONSIN AND
% AMERICA NEED FOUR MORE YEARS OF
% PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP!
% >> THE THREAT FROM THE
% CORONAVIRUS HUNG OVER THE WHOLE
% EVENT.
% EVEN IF MOST OF THE ATTENDEES
% CLAIMED NOT TO WORRY.
% >> I HAVEN'T WORN A MASK AT ALL,
% EVER.
% THERE'S 350 MILLION PEOPLE IN
% THIS COUNTRY, SO THE ODDS ARE
% 350 MILLION TO ONE.
% >> TICKETS TO THE RALLY REQUIRED
% A DISCLOSURE STATEMENT SAYING NO
% ONE WOULD SUE THE CAMPAIGN IF
% THEY BECAME AFFECTED.
% ATTENDEES HAD THEIR TEMPERATURES
% CHECKED AS THEY WALKED IN AND
% VOLUNTEERS ACTED AGENCY USHERS,
% ADJUSTING SOCIALLY-DISTANCED
% CHAIRS TO THE SIZE OF THE GROUP.
% MASKS WERE AVAILABLE AND WHILE
% SOME WORE THEM ON THE WAY IN,
% MOST TOOK THEM OFF ONCE INSIDE.
% >> THEY GAVE ME ONE.
% I WORE IT FOR ABOUT HALF A
% MINUTE.
% >> A WOMAN WHO WOULD ONLY
% IDENTIFY HERSELF AS LORI SAYS
% SHE'S HAD HER TRUMP-THEMED MASK
% FOR MONTHS EVEN THOUGH TRUMP
% HIMSELF WON'T WEAR ONE.
% >> I'M NOT WEARING IT IN HERE
% BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO AND
% WE'RE SOCIAL DISTANCING, SO I'M
% GOOD.
% >> COVID-19 HAS KILLED AT LEAST
% 119,000 PEOPLE IN THE U.S. IN
% JUST A FEW MONTHS AND NEW CASES
% ARE ON THE RISE IN MANY SOUTHERN
% STATES.
% BUT IT'S CLEAR PENCE WOULD
% RATHER TALK ABOUT SOMETHING
% ELSE.
% HE SPENT FIVE MINUTES TALKING
% ABOUT COVID-19 AND PENCE BROUGHT
% UP THE CORONAVIRUS IN TERMS OF
% THE ECONOMY.
% >> AND THE ECONOMY ALONE WAS ON
% AN INCREDIBLE ROLL.
% AND THEN CAME THE WORST PANDEMIC
% IN 100 YEARS.
% >> THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS SAID
% THE ECONOMY IS THE KEY TO
% REELECTION AND PENCE HIGHLIGHTED
% THAT IN HIS REMARKS.
% >> WE SEE CASES THAT ARE STABLE
% OR EVEN DECLINING IN 40 STATES
% ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
% WE HAVE SOME OUTBREAKS IN THE
% SOUTH AND WE'RE FOCUSING ENERGY
% ON THOSE.
% BUT ALL 50 STATES ARE OPENING UP
% AGAIN.
% >> REPORTING FROM PEWAUKEE, I'M
% ZAC SCHULTZ FOR "HERE & NOW."
% >> THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION IN
% MILWAUKEE WILL MOVE FROM THE
% FISERV ARENA TO A SMALLER VENUE
% AND BE MOSTLY REMOTE, WITH
% DELEGATES BEING TOLD NOT TO
% COME.
% CANDIDATE JOE BIDEN AND HIS
% RUNNING MATE, HOWEVER, ARE
% SLATED TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION
% IN MILWAUKEE.
% THIS WEEK THE TRUMP AND PENCE
% VISITS TO WISCONSIN COME AS
% THEIR REELECTION BID HEATS UP
% AGAINST FORMER VICE PRESIDENT
% JOE BIDEN.
% BOTH CANDIDATES HOPE TO CLAIM
% WISCONSIN AFTER TRUMP NARROWLY
% WON THE STATE IN 2016.
% A MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL
% GIVES US AN INDICATION OF HOW
% THAT RACE IS TAKING SHAPE.
% POLLSTER CHARLES FRANKLIN JOINS
% US WITH THOSE RESULTS, AND THANK
% YOU FOR BEING HERE.
% >> GOOD TO BE HERE.
% THANKS.
% >> SO AS TO THE RACE FOR
% PRESIDENT IN WISCONSIN, YOUR
% POLLING FOUND THAT 49% FAVOR JOE
% BIDEN TO 41% FOR DONALD TRUMP.
% HOW HAVE THESE NUMBERS TRENDED?
% >> THIS IS A BUMP UP FOR BIDEN
% THIS MONTH.
% THAT EIGHT-POINT MARGIN THIS
% MONTH COMPARES TO THREE POINTS
% IN MARCH AND IN MAY AND A DEAD
% TIE IN FEBRUARY.
% SO WE'VE SEEN SOME MOVEMENT UP.
% BUT THIS MONTH A SPECIAL BUMP-UP
% FOR BIDEN.
% >> AND THIS IS TRENDING THAT WAY
% IN POLLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
% >> WE'VE SEEN IT IN POLLING
% ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
% WE'VE SEEN IT IN A NUMBER OF
% STATE POLLS AS WELL, NOT JUST
% NATIONAL POLLS.
% IF YOU THINK OF THE LAST SIX
% WEEKS, TWO MONTHS, THEY HAVE NOT
% BEEN FILLED WITH GOOD NEWS FOR
% THE INCUMBENT ADMINISTRATION,
% WHETHER IT'S THE PROTESTS OR THE
% VIRUS OR THE ECONOMY.
% AND SO THIS HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD
% TIME FOR THE PRESIDENT.
% >> YOU MENTIONED IT JUST A BIT
% AGO, BUT HIS APPROVAL FOR HIS
% HANDLING OF THE DEATH OF GEORGE
% FLOYD AND CORONAVIRUS IS UPSIDE
% DOWN RIGHT NOW.
% >> IT'S NOT JUST A LITTLE UPSIDE
% DOWN ON THE HANDLING OF THE
% PROTESTS.
% THERE ARE THREE CRISIS ISSUES
% THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
% IN HANDLING THE PROTESTS, ONLY
% 30% APPROVE OF THE JOB PRESIDENT
% TRUMP IS DOING.
% 58% DISAPPROVE.
% ON HANDLING THE VIRUS, 44%
% APPROVE.
% THAT'S UNCHANGED FROM LAST
% MONTH.
% AND ON THE ECONOMY, 50%
% APPROVES.
% THAT'S STILL HIS STRONG SUIT.
% BUT THAT 50% IS DOWN FOUR POINTS
% FROM A MONTH AGO.
% SO ACROSS THESE THREE CRISES,
% YOU SEE HIS RELATIVE WEAKNESS
% AND HIS DECLINING STRENGTH ON
% THE ECONOMY, AND WITH THE NEWEST
% ISSUE, THE PROTESTS, A KIND OF
% REMARKABLY STRONG NET NEGATIVE,
% 30 APPROVE, 58 DISAPPROVE,
% BASICALLY TWO-TO-ONE NEGATIVE.
% >> WELL, IN THAT REGARD, YOUR
% POLLING SHOWS ON RACE AND
% POLICE, SHOWS THAT OVERALL 61%
% OF RESPONDENTS APPROVE OF MASS
% PROTESTS, WHILE 36% DISAPPROVE.
% IS THAT A SURPRISING NUMBER TO
% YOU?
% >> I THINK IT'S A VERY
% INTERESTING NUMBER.
% YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE
% MENTION THE COMPARISON OF 1968
% WITH TODAY.
% BUT THE REACTION TO THE 1968
% UNREST AND RIOTS AND CIVIL
% DISTURBANCES IN THE WAKE OF
% ASSASSINATIONS WAS VASTLY MORE
% NEGATIVE.
% TODAY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING
% IN THIS 60% APPROVAL NUMBER IS
% THE SYMPATHY FOR THE SITUATION
% OF BLACK AMERICANS WHO WE HAVE
% SEEN IN VIDEOS DYING AT THE
% HANDS OF THE POLICE REPEATEDLY
% OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
% THERE'S MUCH BIGGER DIFFERENCES
% OVER WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE
% POLICE, BUT IN THIS BROAD SENSE
% OF SYMPATHY, 61% IS A SOLID
% MAJORITY SUPPORTING THE
% PROTESTS.
% AND THAT'S DESPITE THE SOMETIMES
% VIOLENT NATURE OF SOME OF THOSE
% PROTESTS.
% >> MOVING ON TO GOVERNOR TONY
% EVERS' JOB APPROVAL, YOU FOUND
% THAT AMONG YOUR RESPONDENTS 54%
% APPROVE OF WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING
% AND 38% DISAPPROVE.
% NOW, THAT HAS SLIPPED FROM A
% HIGH OF 65%?
% IS THAT RIGHT?
% IN MARCH FOR TONY EVERS?
% >> THAT'S RIGHT.
% IN MARCH IT WAS 65.
% THEN IT FELL TO 59.
% AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO THE 54.
% HE WAS AT 51% IN FEBRUARY,
% BEFORE THE VIRUS HIT.
% SO HE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER
% THAN HE WAS THEN.
% BUT THE HIGH WATERMARKS THAT HE
% HAD IN MARCH AND THAT MANY
% GOVERNORS AROUND THE COUNTRY HAD
% HAS COME BACK DOWN TO LEVELS
% MUCH CLOSER TO THE NORMAL LEVEL
% OF HIS SUPPORT BEFORE THE
% EPIDEMIC ARRIVED.
% >> ALL RIGHT.
% CHARLES, WE LEAVE IT THERE.
% BOY, YOU KNOW THESE NUMBERS IN
% THIS POLL AND YOU HAD A LOT OF
% QUESTIONS IN THIS POLL.
% NICE TO HAVE YOU.
% >> THANK YOU.
% TAKE CARE.
% >> FOR A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
% MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL AND
% MORE RESULTS, JOIN US ONLINE AT
% pbswisconsin.org AND THEN CLICK
% ON THE NEWS TAB.
% 19 COUNTIES ACROSS WISCONSIN NOW
% HAVE HIGH LEVELS OF CORONAVIRUS
% ACTIVITY.
% THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT NOW
% HAS AN ONLINE DASHBOARD THAT
% SHOWS THE RISK LEVEL FOR EVERY
% COUNTY IN THE STATE, WITH THE
% DARKEST SHADES SHOWING WHERE
% THERE IS THE HIGHEST CURRENT
% RISK.
% AS YOU CAN SEE, CENTRAL
% WISCONSIN FROM GREEN BAY TO
% EAU CLAIRE IS AT THE HIGHEST
% LEVEL ALONG WITH MOST OF
% SOUTHERN WISCONSIN.
% THE MAP IS UPDATED EACH
% WEDNESDAY.
% MORE THAN 25,000 PEOPLE HAVE
% TESTED POSITIVE IN WISCONSIN AND
% MORE THAN 760 HAVE DIED.
% >> WE ARE SEEING IN A FEW
% COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE
% COMMUNITY SPREAD THAT IS NOT
% LINKED TO A SPECIFIC OUTBREAK,
% WHICH SUGGESTS TO US THAT THAT
% IS THE RESULT OF REDUCED SOCIAL
% DISTANCING, REDUCED ADHERENCE TO
% THESE GOOD PUBLIC HEALTH
% PRACTICES THAT WE'VE BEEN
% TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE
% BEGINNING OF THE RESPONSE.
% AND SO WE CERTAINLY, AS USUAL,
% WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO BE
% VIGILANT ABOUT KEEPING
% THEMSELVES SAFE, PRACTICING
% PHYSICAL DISTANCING, REMAINING
% HOME AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO
% REDUCE AND PREVENT THE SPREAD.
% >> NEW COVID-19 GUIDELINES FOR
% WISCONSIN SCHOOLS WERE RELEASED
% THIS WEEK FOR TEACHERS, STUDENTS
% AND PARENTS.
% DPI SENIOR POLICY ADVISER
% JENNIFER KAMMERUD PROVIDED
% TESTIMONY THIS WEEK TO THE
% ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION.
% JENNIFER KAMMERUD JOINED US
% EARLIER THIS WEEK AND THANKS
% VERY MUCH FOR DOING SO.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> SO YOUR REOPENING PLAN IS
% CALLED "EDUCATION FORWARD" AND
% IT INCLUDES THE THINGS THAT WE
% MIGHT EXPECT, LIKE DISTANCING,
% MASKS AND SYMPTOM MONITORING.
% I KNOW IT'S UP TO EACH DISTRICT,
% BUT FOR A GRADE SCHOOLER, FOR
% EXAMPLE, HOW DIFFICULT IS THIS
% GOING TO BE TO IMPLEMENT?
% >> WELL, IT'S REALLY GOING TO
% DEPEND ON THE CONVERSATION THAT
% THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS
% WITH THEIR LOCAL HEALTH
% AUTHORITY AND WITH THEIR PARENTS
% IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO
% OPERATE THE SCHOOL DAY.
% SO FOR SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS, IT
% MIGHT NOT LOOK THAT DIFFERENT.
% YOU MIGHT BE IN SCHOOL FIVE DAYS
% A WEEK, JUST WASHING HANDS MORE,
% MAKING SURE YOU'RE DOING YOUR
% COUGHING AND SNEEZING ETIQUETTE
% AND DISTANCING STUDENTS SOME
% MORE.
% YOU MIGHT BE ALTERING HOW YOU
% DROP OFF STUDENTS.
% AND I THINK PROBABLY ONE OF THE
% BIG DIFFERENCES MIGHT BE IN
% TERMS OF BUSING, HOW YOU'RE
% GETTING STUDENTS TO SCHOOL, JUST
% TO TRY TO CREATE A
% TRANSPORTATION SITUATION THAT IS
% AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
% >> AND YET AT OTHER DISTRICTS,
% IT MIGHT BE MORE STRINGENT,
% YOU'RE SUGGESTING, WITH THE
% MASKS AND THE SYMPTOM MONITORING
% AND THAT KIND OF THING?
% >> ABSOLUTELY.
% AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON
% THE LOCAL HEALTH SITUATION AND
% THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LOCAL
% HEALTH AUTHORITY AND, AGAIN,
% WHAT THE COMFORT LEVEL AND
% DECISION-MAKING IS AT THE SCHOOL
% DISTRICT LEVEL TO PROVIDE THAT
% ENVIRONMENT THAT IS AS SAFE AS
% POSSIBLE.
% SO SOME DISTRICTS WILL HAVE
% DIFFERENT PROCEDURES IN PLACE.
% THEY MIGHT HAVE REQUIRED MASKS.
% THEY MIGHT HAVE -- BECAUSE OF
% SOCIAL DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS
% THEY'VE DECIDED ON, THEY MIGHT
% HAVE A AND B SCHEDULES OR
% COHORTS OF STUDENTS MOVING
% THROUGH A SCHOOL.
% THEY MIGHT DO A FOUR-DAY WEEK
% WITH A FIFTH DAY OFF FOR
% CLEANING.
% THOSE ARE ALL JUST DIFFERENT
% EXAMPLES.
% BUT REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY
% IT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
% TO DETERMINE.
% >> AND THE PLAN CALLS FOR SOME
% MIX OF VIRTUAL LEARNING AS WELL?
% >> WE WERE WANTING TO BE REALLY
% UP FRONT WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS
% ABOUT THE NEED TO PLAN FOR
% VIRTUAL EDUCATION.
% THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE
% BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS YOU'RE
% MAKING, ONLY PART OF THE STUDENT
% BODY CAN BE IN THE SCHOOL AT A
% PARTICULAR TIME.
% THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE
% THE SCHOOL IS CLOSED AGAIN UNDER
% THE ORDER OF A LOCAL HEALTH
% AUTHORITY OR ON THE STATE HEALTH
% AUTHORITY OR THE DISTRICT
% ITSELF.
% AND THERE WILL BE STUDENTS WHO
% WILL BE UNABLE TO RETURN TO
% SCHOOL NO MATTER WHAT THE
% SITUATION BECAUSE OF CONCERNS
% WITH THEIR OWN HEALTH,
% UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS.
% AND SO DISTRICTS REALLY DO NEED
% TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE IN TERMS
% OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DELIVER
% LEARNING IN THOSE DIFFERENT
% ENVIRONMENTS.
% >> AND SO IN TERMS OF PEOPLE NOT
% BEING ABLE TO RETURN TO SCHOOLS
% IN PERSON, THAT HOLDS FOR
% TEACHERS AS WELL, IS THAT
% CORRECT, IF THEY ARE NOT
% COMFORTABLE OR UNABLE UNDER
% PHYSICIANS' ORDERS TO RETURN?
% >> YEAH.
% THERE -- YES.
% THERE WILL BE STAFF WHO WILL
% HAVE UNDERLYING HEALTH
% CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS, AND WE
% ARE ENCOURAGING THOSE STAFF TO
% TALK WITH THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICTS
% ABOUT WHAT MODIFICATIONS CAN BE
% MADE AND HOW TO APPROACH THAT
% SITUATION.
% >> WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION
% FROM DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE
% TO THIS PLAN?
% >> WELL, OVERALL, THERE IS A LOT
% IN THIS PLAN, AND WE HAVE HEARD
% A LOT OF POSITIVES IN TERMS OF
% THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OFT THE
% THINGS THAT THINK ABOUT.
% VERY LITTLE IN THIS PLAN IS
% REQUIRED.
% IT'S PROVIDED AS A CONVERSATION
% STARTER, JUMPING-OFF POINT,
% THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
% THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME
% OF THE LEARNING SCENARIOS AND WE
% HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THESE
% ARE ALL DECISIONS THEY WILL NEED
% TO MAKE.
% AND, AGAIN, THERE IS NO MINIMUM
% CLASS SIZE.
% THERE IS NO REQUIRED WAY OF
% DOING IT.
% EVERY DISTRICT HAS ITS OWN
% UNIQUE SITUATION THAT THEY'LL
% NEED TO CONSIDER.
% SO REALLY THE THINGS THAT THEY
% WERE LOOKING FOR WERE IDEAS ON
% HOW TO HANDLE TRANSPORTATION,
% CAFETERIA FOOD DISTRIBUTION, HOW
% TO POTENTIALLY SOCIAL DISTANCE
% IN THE SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT, HOW
% TO ATTEND TO THE NEEDS OF
% SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS,
% ENGLISH LEARNERS AND GIFTED AND
% TALENTED STUDENTS.
% >> SO WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION
% FROM PARENTS?
% >> SO PARENTS I THINK LOOK AT
% THE DOCUMENT DIFFERENTLY.
% THIS IS, AGAIN, A COMPLEX
% DOCUMENT.
% AND SO A LOT OF THEM I THINK
% WERE TAKING AWAY A LOT OF
% DIFFERENT THINGS.
% WE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE
% AT DPI ABOUT MINIMUM CLASS SIZES
% AND DOES MY SCHOOL HAVE TO DO
% ONE OF THESE LEARNING MODULES
% AND WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM, NO,
% THAT'S JUST REALLY A
% CONVERSATION YOU SHOULD HAVE
% WITH YOUR LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
% >> ALL RIGHT.
% WE LEAVE IT THERE.
% JENNIFER KAMMERUD, THANKS VERY
% MUCH.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> THANK YOU FOR WATCHING "HERE
% & NOW."
% STAY WELL, WISCONSIN, AND WE
% WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
% >> FUNDING FOR "HERE & NOW" IS
% PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
% JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
WISCONSIN.