% >> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A
% PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
% PRODUCTION.
% >> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW,"
% WISCONSIN CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN
% MOORE CALLS FOR A GROUND-UP
% DISMANTLING OF STRUCTURAL
% RACISM.
% LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MANDELA
% BARNES SHARES HIS INSIGHTS ON
% POLICE BUDGETS AND RACIAL
% JUSTICE.
% PLUS, A RECENT HIGH SCHOOL
% GRADUATE LEADING THE CHARGE
% AGAINST RACISM AFTER HIS FATHER
% MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES.
% "HERE AND NOW" FOR JUNE 12TH.
% >> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW,"
% FO -- FUNDED BY JOURNALISM AND
% PBS WISCONSIN.
% >> PROTESTS OVER GEORGE FLOYD'S
% DEATH AT THE HANDS OF
% MINNEAPOLIS POLICE HAVE MAINLY
% BEEN IN WISCONSIN'S LARGER
% METROPOLITAN AREAS.
% NOW GAINING TRACTION IN SMALLER
% CITIES LIKE THIS PROTEST IN
% WAUSAU.
% THE CITY'S THIRD PROTEST IN A
% WEEK.
% SOME 1500 PROTESTORS MARCHED
% DOWNTOWN CHANTING FOR AN END TO
% POLICE BRUTALITY.
% >> BLACK LIVES MATTER.
% >> IN MILWAUKEE THIS WEEK,
% THOUSANDS TURNED OUT FOR A
% PROTEST LED BY BUCKS PLAYER
% STERLING BROWN.
% THOSE ON THE STREET SAID THEY
% FEEL A SENSE OF CONNECTION TO A
% NATIONWIDE MOVEMENT.
% ISSUES OF RACE AND INEQUALITY IN
% THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.
% THIS WEEK DEMONSTRATORS IN
% DOWNTOWN MADISON PAINTED A HUGE
% YELLOW BLOCK LETTERS DEFUND
% POLICE.
% THOSE WORDS APPEAR ALONG M.L.K.,
% JR. BOULEVARD JUST DOWN FROM THE
% STATE CAPITOL BUILDING.
% SEVERAL OF THE GROUPS PROTESTING
% HAVE EXPRESSED DEFUNDING OR
% DISMANTLING THE POLICE
% DEPARTMENT IS A PRIORITY.
% FOLLOWING ANOTHER WEEK OF STATE
% AND NATIONWIDE PROTESTS OVER THE
% DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD, U.S.
% CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN MOORE OF
% BUILDING IS CALLING TO BUILD A
% GROUND-UP APPROACH TO DISMANTLE
% STRUCTURAL RACISM.
% AND THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK
% CAUCUS WHICH SHE IS A MEMBER,
% ROLLED OUT A PACKAGE OF
% LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS POLICING.
% U.S. REPRESENTATIVE GWEN MOORE
% JOINED US EARLIER THIS WEEK AND
% THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH
% US.
% >> WONDERFUL.
% ALWAYS TO BE WITH YOU.
% >> WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO YOU IN
% THE WAKE OF GEORGE FLOYD'S
% DEATH.
% AFTER POLICE HAVE INFLICTED
% DEADLY FORCE ON OTHER BLACK MEN
% OVER SO MANY YEARS, INCLUDING IN
% YOUR DISTRICT IN MILWAUKEE, WHY
% THIS TIME DO YOU THINK HIS DEATH
% SPARK THE WORLDWIDE PROTEST?
% >> YOU KNOW, THAT IS A LOT OF
% PONDERING AND HISTORIANS WILL
% TELL US WHY, BUT THE ENTIRE
% WORLD WAS AN EYEWITNESS TO THIS
% LYNCHING, AND IT WAS A
% STRANGULATION, VERY INHUMANE,
% REMINISCENT OF THE LEGACY OF
% SLAVERY, AND EVEN THOSE FOLKS
% WHO DOUBTED THAT THERE WERE,
% THAT THERE WAS DISCRIMINATION
% AND THAT POLICE WERE
% PARTICULARLY VIOLENT TO THE
% AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY,
% COULD NO LONGER DENY IT.
% I THINK THAT IT REALLY MADE A
% HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR PEOPLE TO
% HAVE TO BEAR WITNESS TO SUCH A
% HORRIFIC ACT.
% >> YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE PROUD
% THAT AS LAWMAKERS YOU ARE
% DIRECTING YOUR OUTRAGE INTO
% LEGISLATIVE ACTION, SPECIFICALLY
% PROVISIONS OF THE JUSTICE IN
% POLICING ACT OF 2020, INCLUDE
% BANNING CHOKEHOLDS, TRACKING
% POLICE MISCONDUCT, MAKING IT
% EASIER TO SUE POLICE OFFICERS,
% AND MAKING LYNCHING A FEDERAL
% CRIME.
% AND YET YOU CALL THIS JUST A
% STARTING POINT.
% HOW SO?
% >> WELL, I JUST WANT TO POINT
% OUT MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESSIONAL
% BLACK CAUCUS HAVE BEEN WORKING
% ON THIS LEGISLATION FOR YEARS
% PRIOR TO THE UNTIMELY AND
% UNFORTUNATE DEATH OF GEORGE
% FLOYD.
% ONE OF THOSE PROVISIONS, THE
% DEESCALATION TRAINING, REALLY
% WAS INSPIRED BY THE DEATH OF
% DANTRAY HAMILTON IN MY OWN
% COMMUNITY, WHERE SOMEONE WHO WAS
% ASLEEP ON A PUBLIC PARK BENCH
% ENDED UP BEING SHOT 14 TIMES BY
% A POLICE OFFICER.
% AND SO THAT, I CAN REMEMBER AS
% FAR BACK AS ERNEST LACEY, ALMOST
% 40 YEARS, DYING BY STRANGULATION
% IN THIS TOWN AND PARTICIPATING
% IN THOSE MARCHES AS WELL.
% AND THIS, OF COURSE, IS A VERY
% INHUMANE WAY TO TRY TO SUBDUE
% ANY PRISONER, AND I THINK THESE
% ARE COMMON SENSE THINGS THAT WE
% THINK ARE A START BECAUSE WE
% DON'T THINK THAT THEY ARE
% DRACONIAN MEASURES.
% NOW, THERE IS A MEASURE TO LOOK
% AT QUALIFIED IMMUNITY AND I
% THINK THAT WILL BE THE HARDEST
% PIECE TO GET OVER THE FINISH
% LINE.
% >> IN REGARD TO THAT, WOULD YOU
% FAVOR WEAKENING THE ROLE OF
% POLICE UNIONS, FOR EXAMPLE,
% PARTICULARLY THEIR ROLE OF
% PROTECTING AND DEFENDING
% OFFICERS' BEHAVIOR?
% >> WELL YOU KNOW, I'M AN ARDENT
% DEFENDER OF UNIONS.
% I THINK UNIONS ARE VERY
% IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF BARGAINING
% FOR WAGES AND BENEFITS.
% BUT I THINK IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE
% SCOPE OF A UNION TO BE ABLE TO
% NEGOTIATE LACK OF
% ACCOUNTABILITY, TO BE ABLE TO
% NEGOTIATE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS
% AWAY.
% I THINK THAT HAS GONE, THAT'S A
% BRIDGE TOO FAR.
% AND SO YES, I SUPPORT UNION
% RIGHTS AT LARGE, BUT I DO THINK
% THAT THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY,
% THE LACK OF TRUST, WE ARE NEVER
% GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD GOOD
% POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS,
% COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING
% UNLESS WE HAVE SOME
% ACCOUNTABILITY.
% YOU KNOW, THE PIECE THAT I HAVE
% PUT INTO THIS LEGISLATION
% DEESCALATION IS SOMETHING THAT
% EVERYBODY AGREES WITH.
% BUT DEESCALATION WILL NOT WORK,
% YOU CAN'T TRAIN OUT OF A PERSON
% THE PROPENSITY TO KILL, TO, IF
% THAT IS, IN FACT, WRITTEN INTO
% AN ACCOUNT THAT THEY ARE NOT
% GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.
% AND SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO
% GET RID OF THAT PROVISION IN
% UNION CONTRACTING.
% >> VERY, VERY BRIEFLY, WHAT WILL
% IT TAKE FOR GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH
% NOT TO BE IN VAIN?
% >> IT WILL TAKE CAPTURING THIS
% MOMENT NOT ONLY LEGISLATIVELY TO
% DEAL WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE
% REFORMS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT
% THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK
% AT STRUCTURAL RACISM, PERIOD.
% I MEAN, THE HOUSING
% OPPORTUNITIES, THE DERTH OF
% HOUSING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES,
% THE DERTH OF EDUCATIONAL
% OPPORTUNITIES.
% I THINK THAT HERE IS A MOMENT
% WHERE EVERYONE IN THE UNITED
% STATES, 60, 70% OF PEOPLE IN THE
% UNITED STATES AND GLOBALLY HAVE
% JUST HAD A -- AN A-HA MOMENT OF
% HOW RACISM AFFECTS BLACK PEOPLE
% IN AMERICA AND GEORGE FLOYD'S
% DEATH WAS JUST THE END OF THE
% STORY.
% IT'S NOT THE BEGINNING OF THE
% DISCRIMINATION.
% >> REPRESENTATIVE GWEN MOORE,
% THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> JAMES SENSENBRENNER SITS ON
% THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHICH
% TOOK TESTIMONY ON THE HOUSE BILL
% ON POLICE REFORM.
% DURING THE HEARING,
% SENSENBRENNER SAID LEGISLATION
% MUST LOOK AT POLICE UNIONS TO
% GET RID OF WHAT HE CALLS BAD
% COPS.
% >> THE SOONER WE GET THE BAD
% COPS OFF THE FORCE, THE SOONER
% THERE WILL NO LONGER BE ANY BAD
% APPLES TO SPOIL THE WHOLE
% BARREL.
% >> THIS WEEK, GOVERNOR TONY
% EVERS ENDED THE NATIONAL GUARD
% MISSION TO RESTORE PEACE AND
% ORDER IN THE WAKE OF THE GEORGE
% FLOYD PROTESTS.
% NEARLY 1500 TROOPS MOBILIZED IN
% RESPONSE TO REQUESTS FROM CITIES
% ACROSS THE STATE.
% 125 TROOPS WERE DEPLOYED IN
% MILWAUKEE.
% ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR HELP
% FROM GUARD TROOPS CAME FROM
% AUTHORITIES IN MADISON, GREEN
% BAY, KENOSHA, AND RACINE.
% LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MANDELA
% BARNES JOINED MARISA WOJCIK TO
% TALK ABOUT POLICE REFORM,
% REALLOCATING POLICE BUDGETS.
% >> EVERY OTHER BUDGET THAT GETS
% CUT IT SEEMS LIKE OH, WELL, YOU
% KNOW, WE HAD TO CUT THIS BUDGET,
% DO WHAT WE HAD TO DO, TIGHTEN UP
% THE PURSE STRINGS, TIGHTEN UP
% OUR BELT.
% BUT THE MINUTE YOU TALK ABOUT
% REDUCING A POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
% BUDGET, IT'S LIKE ALL HELL
% BREAKS LOOSE AND EVERYBODY ACTS
% LIKE YOU ARE SIGNALLING
% ARMAGEDDON.
% BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
% IT'S ABOUT REALLOCATING FUNDS IN
% A WAY THAT PROMOTES SAFETY AND
% WHEN VIRTUALLY EVERY LEVEL OF
% GOVERNMENT SEES THE SWEEPING
% CUTS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN POLICE
% OFFICERS ARE BEING ATTACKED
% BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING ASKED TO
% DO THE SAME THING AS EVERYBODY
% ELSE IN GOVERNMENT, AND
% ESPECIALLY AT TIMES LIKE NOW
% REVENUES ARE DOWN, GIVEN THE
% ECONOMIC DEVASTATION THAT
% COVID-19 HAS BROUGHT ABOUT, YOU
% KNOW, CITIES ARE GOING TO BE
% STRAPPED FOR CASH, COUNTIES
% STRAPPED FOR CASH, THE STATE IS
% STRAPPED FOR CASH, TAKE A HARD
% LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING FUNDED AT
% WHAT LEVEL AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IS
% GOING TO MAKE THE SENSE.
% WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE THE MOST
% SENSE TO SEE A FULL RECOVERY IN
% WISCONSIN.
% AND NOT JUST BACK TO NORMAL, BUT
% BECAUSE LIFE AFTER COVID IS MUCH
% DIFFERENT THAN LIFE AFTER COVID,
% THAT'S A REALITY I THINK PEOPLE
% ARE NOT NECESSARILY -- HAVE NOT
% NECESSARILY GRASPED BECAUSE IT'S
% A TOUGH ONE.
% IT'S A TOUGH ONE TO NOT IMAGINE
% THINGS GOING BACK TO THE WAY
% THEY WERE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T LET
% THINGS GO BACK TO THE WAY THEY
% WERE, WE SHOULD WANT THINGS TO
% BE MUCH BETTER AND MORE
% EQUITABLE.
% >> YOU'VE WORKED ON THESE ISSUES
% FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU'VE SAID
% YOU'RE TIRED OF DISREGARD FOR
% BLACK LIVES.
% WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE WHO ARE
% LIKE YOU WHO ARE EXPERIENCING
% THIS FATIGUE IN THIS TIME?
% >> THAT IS -- THAT IS A REALLY
% GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE FOLKS ARE
% EXPERIENCING FATIGUE, AND NOW
% THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF
% THIS, OF MASS DEMONSTRATIONS
% ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I THINK THAT
% OUR MENTAL HEALTH IS EVEN MORE
% IMPORTANT BECAUSE WITH EVERY
% SPEECH, EVERY SIGN, EVERY LIST
% OF DEMANDS LAID OUT BY
% PROTESTORS AND ORGANIZERS, WE
% SEE THINGS WITHIN OUR OWN LIVES
% THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT WE
% PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO,
% THINGS THAT FOLKS HAVE BRUSHED
% OFF, ADVERSITY THAT WOULD, YOU
% KNOW, UNDUE AND UNJUST AND THAT
% CAN WEIGH HEAVILY.
% BECAUSE YOU CARRY A DIFFERENT
% BURDEN.
% AND MYSELF IN THIS POSITION, I'M
% HONORED TO HAVE THIS POSITION,
% ESPECIALLY AT A TIME LIKE THIS,
% BUT THERE ARE SO MANY FOLKS WHO
% ARE JUST KIND OF COMFORTABLE AND
% THAT COMFORT IS AGAIN ONE OF THE
% MANY REASONS WHY WE ARE WHERE WE
% ARE AND THERE'S A BURDEN THAT I
% NOTICE THAT A LOT OF FOLK, TOO
% MANY PEOPLE IN ELECTED OFFICE
% DON'T HAVE TO CARRY.
% SOME PEOPLE, AND IT'S AMAZING,
% TOO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW
% MANY ELECTED OFFICIALS WERE ABLE
% TO GET INTO OFFICE WITHOUT EVER
% CONSIDERING THE ISSUE OF RACIAL
% JUSTICE, NEVER HAVING TO TALK
% ABOUT THE ISSUE OF RACIAL
% JUSTICE, NEVER HAVING TO
% CONFRONT THEIR OWN BIAS, NEVER
% HAVING TO CONFRONT THEIR OWN
% COMFORT WITH RACISM, AND THEY
% HAVE GOTTEN PRETTY FAR.
% A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST
% FINE AND SOME PEOPLE WHO, YOU
% KNOW, MIGHT SIT BACK AND NOW
% LOOK AT THE POLLING DATA AND SEE
% THEM SEND OUT AN EMAIL THAT
% TALKS ABOUT THE ISSUES OF THE
% DAY, BECAUSE THE POLLING DATA IS
% IN FAVOR OF THE PLIGHT OF
% AFRICAN AMERICANS, MARGINALIZED
% COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE OF COLOR
% ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SEND OUT
% A TWEET AND THAT WILL BE IT, AND
% THEY GO HOME AND REST
% COMFORTABLY.
% AND SOMETIMES I WISH I HAD THE
% SAME COMFORT.
% BUT THESE THINGS REMAIN IN MY
% LIFE BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT MY
% OWN FAMILY MEMBERS WHO GOT MIXED
% UP IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
% SYSTEM, MY OWN FAMILY MEMBERS
% WHO EXPERIENCED POLICY VIOLENCE,
% MY OWN FRIENDS AND FAMILY
% MEMBERS THAT HAVE HAD VIOLENCE,
% TOO.
% AND NOT EVERYBODY SHARED THE
% GOVERNING PART THE SAME WHEN IT
% COMES TO AN ISSUE THAT IS THIS
% HEAVY.
% >> FOR HIS PART, GOVERNOR EVERS
% WAS NOT ABLE TO JOIN US FOR THIS
% PROGRAM.
% HIS ADMINISTRATION IS UNDER FIRE
% THIS WEEK FROM REPUBLICAN
% LEGISLATIVE LEADERS FOR TAPING A
% PHONE MEETING ABOUT A COVID-19
% PLAN.
% AT A MEDIA BRIEFING ON THURSDAY,
% EVERS SAID A STAFFER WANTED THE
% RECORDING FOR NOTE TAKING, AND
% HE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT.
% HE SAID THE PRACTICE HAS ENDED.
% HE SAYS HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT
% MATTER SHOULD STALL TALKS ON
% POLICE USE OF FORCE AND SYSTEMIC
% RACISM.
% FIRST, REPUBLICANS AND THE
% DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR WERE AT ODDS
% OVER THE PATH FORWARD DEALING
% WITH CORONAVIRUS.
% NOW ANOTHER CONTENTIOUS ISSUE
% WHEN IT COMES TO POLICE REFORM.
% JIM STEINEKE JOINS US FROM
% KAUKAUNA.
% THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
% >> WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN IN A
% COUPLE WEEKS.
% WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE
% DEADLY FORCE USED IN THE DEATH
% OF GEORGE FLOYD?
% >> ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC.
% I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY THAT
% COULD WATCH THAT VIDEO, OVER
% EIGHT MINUTES THE OFFICER
% KNEELING ON GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK,
% HIM PLEADING FOR HELP, AND
% EVENTUALLY PASSING AWAY AND NOT
% FEEL THE OUTRAGE THAT I THINK
% EVERYBODY SHOULD FEEL.
% IT WAS DISGUSTING.
% SOMETHING THERE IS NO PLACE FOR
% IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE HAVE
% TO WORK TO MAKE SURE THESE CASES
% DON'T REOCCUR.
% >> A DEMOCRATIC BILL AT THE
% STATE CAPITOL WOULD MAKE THE
% PRIMARY DUTY OF ALL LAW
% ENFORCEMENT TO PRESERVE THE LIFE
% OF ALL INDIVIDUALS AND THE
% DEADLY FORCE IS TO BE USED ONLY
% AS A LAST RESORT.
% HOW WILLING IS THE REPUBLICAN
% MAJORITY TO GET BEHIND THIS
% LEGISLATION?
% >> WELL, YEAH, I GUESS WHEN IT
% COMES TO THAT PARTICULAR PIECE
% OF LEGISLATION I'M NOT EXACTLY
% SURE WHAT THE GOAL IS BECAUSE
% THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE IN
% POLICE HEADQUARTERS ALL OVER THE
% STATE.
% POLICE HEADQUARTERS ALL OVER THE
% STATE ALREADY HAVE A GOAL OF
% DEESCALATION, MINIMIZING THE USE
% OF FORCE, I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK
% ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE IN LAW
% ENFORCEMENT I THINK IT'S
% SOMEWHERE AROUND LESS THAN 1% OF
% THE CASES WHERE THERE'S ANY KIND
% OF USE OF FORCE IN AN ARREST.
% SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SMALL
% MINORITY OF THE CASES, BUT
% OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU HAVE
% SITUATIONS LIKE GEORGE FLOYD,
% AND OTHERS WHO HAVE FELL VICTIM
% TO POLICE BRUTALITY, IT
% HEIGHTENS THE ISSUE AND
% HIGHLIGHTS IT MORE, BUT THERE'S
% ALREADY THESE POLICIES ON THE
% BOOKS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
% >> POLICIES ON THE BOOKS WOULD
% BE DIFFERENT THAN STATE
% STATUTES, SOMETHING PASSED BY
% LEGISLATORS.
% WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN
% YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR
% HORROR ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO
% GEORGE FLOYD.
% YOU SAID THAT REALLY SOMETHING
% NEEDS TO BE DONE.
% WHAT WOULD THAT BE?
% >> I MEAN, IT'S HARD AS A
% LEGISLATOR TO ADMIT THAT WE
% DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.
% IT'S HARD TO PUT FORWARD PIECES
% OF LEGISLATION THAT WILL END
% RACISM AND CHANGE THE HEARTS AND
% MINDS OF PEOPLE THAT DO HARBOR
% THOSE RACIST TENDENCIES.
% I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL
% GOING FORWARD THAT WHATEVER WE
% DO IS DONE IN A VEIN THAT MAKES
% SURE WE PROTECT THE HEALTH AND
% SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS.
% MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR
% LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITIES DON'T
% FEAR THE POLICE, THAT IS
% SOMETHING THAT AS A WHITE MALE I
% JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
% SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT
% BETTER AND THE CONVERSATIONS
% HAVE TO BE HELD WITH PEOPLE OF
% COLOR THROUGHOUT THE STATE,
% LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, LAW
% ENFORCEMENT, THE FAITH
% COMMUNITY, WE HAVE TO HAVE A
% BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE
% AND WHAT WE CAN DO AS A SOCIETY
% AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THROUGH
% LEGISLATION, BUT THROUGH
% SOCIETAL CHANGE AND REFORMS THAT
% WILL HELP MOVE THIS PROCESS
% ALONG FURTHER.
% >> I KNOW THAT GOVERNOR EVERS
% WOULD LIKE TO SEE LEGISLATION
% HIT HIS DESK AROUND THIS ISSUE
% OF POLICE REFORM.
% ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT
% GOING TO HAPPEN AND THAT -- ARE
% YOU WILLING TO SPEAK WITH AM
% ABOUT THIS?
% >> WELL, YES.
% CERTAINLY WE ARE WILLING TO
% SPEAK WITH HIM.
% I MEAN -- THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
% I WOULD, I THINK EVERYBODY IS
% OPEN TO CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
% LEGISLATION GOING FORWARD.
% I THINK LIKE I SAID, WE ARE NOT
% SEEING LEGISLATION DOES NOT NEED
% TO HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THE
% BROADER CONVERSATION NEEDS TO
% HAPPEN.
% PEOPLE HAVE TO REMEMBER IN
% WISCONSIN WE HAVE ALREADY DONE
% SOME REFORMS TO HOW
% OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS ARE
% INVESTIGATED AND OTHER THINGS
% THAT KIND OF HAVE CHANGED THE
% CONVERSATION OVER THE COURSE OF
% THE YEARS AND MOVED US FORWARD.
% BUT CONTINUING THOSE
% CONVERSATIONS IS CRITICAL AND
% ESPECIALLY HEADING INTO THE NEXT
% LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
% >> HAVE YOU HAD ANY OF THOSE
% CONVERSATIONS YET WITH THE
% EVERS' ADMINISTRATION?
% >> NO, THE EVERS' ADMINISTRATION
% HAS NOT REACHED OUT TO US, WITH
% THE NEWS OF HIS SECRETLY TAPE
% RECORDING OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT
% HAS PUT A WEDGE IN BETWEEN THE
% TWO SIDES EVEN FURTHER THAN WAS
% ALREADY THERE, AND HAS DAMAGED
% SOME OF THE TRUST THAT WE WERE
% TRYING TO BUILD GOING FORWARD SO
% WE CAN HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS
% ABOUT THESE MONUMENTAL ISSUES.
% BUT HOPEFULLY THE EVERS'
% ADMINISTRATION WILL RECOGNIZE
% HOW SERIOUS A MISTAKE THAT WAS
% TO SECRETLY RECORD THESE
% CONVERSATIONS AND DO SOMETHING
% ABOUT IT.
% >> I DO KNOW ON THAT THAT THE
% GOVERNOR SAID HE HIMSELF WAS NOT
% AWARE OF THAT BUT UNDERSTOOD AND
% THANKS VERY MUCH, REPRESENTATIVE
% STEINEKE, FOR JOINING US.
% >> ABSOLUTELY.
% AND THANK YOU.
% AND IT'S IMPORTANT, IF HE DID
% NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WAS GOING
% ON, I TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD.
% BUT WHOEVER AUTHORIZED THIS IN
% HIS OFFICE SHOULD PAY THE
% CONSEQUENCES FOR IT.
% >> ALL RIGHT.
% REPRESENTATIVE STEINEKE, THANK
% YOU.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> AMONG THE PROTESTORS THIS
% WEEK THE VOICE OF A TEENAGER IS
% BEING HEARD.
% NOAH ANDERSON IS A RECENT
% MADISON WEST HIGH SCHOOL
% GRADUATE.
% ACTIVE IN ISSUES OF RACE AND
% EQUALITY AFTER HIS FATHER MADE
% NATIONAL HEADLINES.
% MARION ANDERSON WAS A SECURITY
% GUARD, NO TOLERANCE AND USED THE
% N-WORD, HE TOLD KIDS TO STOP
% USING IT AND HE REPEATED IT AND
% WAS FIRED.
% HE EVENTUALLY GOT HIS JOB BACK.
% AND NOAH JOINS US FROM MADISON
% WHERE WE TALKED WITH HIM
% EARLIER.
% NOAH, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING
% HERE.
% >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
% >> SO, AS A MEMBER OF THE BLACK
% STUDENT UNION YOU HELPED
% ORGANIZE A SCHOOL WALKOUT IN ARE
% SUPPORT OF YOUR FATHER AND
% AGAINST THE POLICY THAT DID NOT
% ALLOW FOR THE NUANCE OF THE
% CIRCUMSTANCE.
% THAT WALKOUT PROTEST DREW SOME
% 1500 PARTICIPANTS.
% HOW DID THAT EXPERIENCE HELP
% SHAPE WHO YOU ARE TODAY?
% >> YEAH, NO, YEAH, YOU WERE
% ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE HAD WALKED
% OUT.
% MY EXPERIENCE IN THE SCHOOL WAS
% PRETTY IFFY.
% THAT REALLY SHOWED ME THAT, YOU
% KNOW, I HAD PEOPLE THAT STAND IN
% MY LINE, STANDING WITH ME IN
% SOLIDARITY.
% BUT IT WAS ABOUT, I BELIEVE,
% 80%, 85% OF THE SCHOOL THAT HAD
% WALKED OUT THAT DAY.
% REALLY WHAT THAT DAY AND WHAT
% THAT EXPERIENCE TAUGHT ME WAS
% THIS IS MY CALLING IN LIFE, YOU
% KNOW, THIS IS WHAT GOD SET ME ON
% THE EARTH FOR BECAUSE OF HOW
% EVERYTHING PLAYED OUT.
% NO WAY IN THE WORLD WOULD THAT
% HAVE, THAT CASE GET THE AMOUNT
% OF ATTENTION THAT IT DID.
% YOU KNOW, CHER REACTED TO IT,
% THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND REACTED TO
% IT, THE WHOLE WORLD REACTED TO
% IT AND YOU SEE RIGHT NOW WHAT'S
% GOING ON WITH BLACK LIVES
% MATTER, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE I
% HAD AN EXTREME LIKE YOU KNOW,
% NOT MARTIN LUTHER KING BUT I HAD
% A DREAM, I'M A RELIGIOUS PERSON
% AND GOD SHOWED ME THAT THIS IS
% THE FINAL WALK TO THE PROMISED
% LAND FOR MY PEOPLE.
% SO THAT EXPERIENCE REALLY SHAPED
% ME AND GOD WAS JUST SHOWING ME
% THROUGH THAT LITTLE EXPERIENCE
% THAT THIS IS, THIS IS THE
% BEGINNING OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S
% SOON TO COME.
% MY DAD LOST HIS JOB AND THAT IS
% SAD BUT WITHOUT HIM LOSING HIS
% JOB IT WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT
% LIGHT TO THE PROBLEM IN THE
% SCHOOL.
% SO, HIM LOSING HIS JOB, HE GOT
% HIS JOB BACK WITH EXTRA
% BENEFITS.
% SO YOU KNOW, HE WAS TAKEN AWAY
% FOR A LITTLE BIT BUT THEN IT WAS
% GIVEN BACK TO HIM.
% PRETTY MUCH A LOT LIKE THE STORY
% OF JOB, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING
% ABOUT THAT.
% IN THAT EXPERIENCE, GOD SHOWED
% ME THIS IS MY CALLING AND IT'S
% WHAT HE PUT ME ON THIS EARTH TO
% DO.
% SO -- YEAH, I MEAN, I'M REALLY
% EXCITED FOR WHAT'S COMING UP
% NEXT.
% >> SO ALL OF THAT SAID, WHAT WAS
% IT LIKE FOR YOU TO SEE THE DEATH
% OF GEORGE FLOYD AND NOW TO SEE
% THE GLOBAL PROTESTS OVER HIS
% KILLING?
% >> SO I ACTUALLY, I CHOSE NOT TO
% WATCH THAT VIDEO.
% I KNOW ABOUT IT, I KNOW ABOUT
% EVERYTHING.
% I COULDN'T SEE A MAN LOSE HIS
% LIFE THROUGH A TEN-MINUTE VIDEO.
% REALLY LIKE MY MIND, YOU KNOW,
% LIBERATION OF MY PEOPLE, THAT'S
% BEEN SET IN MY HEART FOR, SINCE
% I WOULD SAY SOPHOMORE YEAR.
% I WAS NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW,
% CONSCIOUS IN MY BLACK HISTORY
% AND CONSCIOUS OF WHO I WAS, BUT
% ACTUALLY AHMAUD ARBERY STRUCK
% ME, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM,
% AHMAUD WAS KILLED BY CIVILIANS
% AND GEORGE FLOYD WAS KILLED BY A
% COP.
% AND WE KNOW POLICE BRUTALITY HAS
% BEEN GOING ON FAR BEFORE I WAS
% BORN, FAR BEFORE ANY OF US WAS
% BORN THAT'S LIVING TODAY, BUT
% AHMAUD ARBERY WAS KILLED BY A
% CIVILIAN, LATER FOUND OUT WAS AN
% ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE K.K.K.
% THAT IS WHAT REALLY SCARED ME.
% BECAUSE YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO
% GET AWAY WITH THAT FOR THREE
% MONTHS UNTIL A VIDEO HAD CAME
% OUT, THAT SCARED ME AND MADE ME
% THINK HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT LOOK
% LIKE ME ARE DYING AND I CAN'T
% SEE IT.
% YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SEE JUST
% BECAUSE THERE'S NO MEDIA
% ATTENTION.
% >> WHAT WAS THAT MOMENT THAT YOU
% REALIZED THAT YOU COULD MAKE
% CHANGE THROUGH ACTIVISM?
% >> THE MOMENT I REALIZED I COULD
% MAKE CHANGE THROUGH ACTIVISM WAS
% DEFINITELY WHAT HAPPENED WITH MY
% DAD.
% AND NOT TO BE MISTAKEN, THAT WAS
% NOT JUST ME, THAT WAS EVERYBODY,
% YOU KNOW.
% MY ENTIRE B.S.U. AND THE SCHOOL
% COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT
% EVERYBODY BECAUSE CHANGE COMES
% WITH NUMBERS.
% BUT THAT WAS A TIME SHOWING ME
% HOW MUCH CHANGE MADE, HOW MUCH
% MEDIA ATTENTION IT GOT WITHIN,
% LEGIT, A COUPLE OF DAYS.
% THAT SHOWED ME THAT THIS COULD
% ACTUALLY, WE COULD ACTUALLY
% CHANGE, ESPECIALLY THAT IT WAS A
% BIG CASE, YOU KNOW, MY FATHER
% LOSING HIS JOB OVER SOMETHING
% LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M
% SAYING, BUT REALLY FOR IT TO GET
% THAT MUCH ATTENTION SHOWED ME
% THAT I COULD MAKE CHANGE, OR WE
% CAN MAKE CHANGE THROUGH
% ACTIVISM.
% >> NOAH, WE LEAVE IT THERE.
% WE WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR FUTURE
% ENDEAVORS.
% THANKS VERY MUCH.
% >> OH, NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
% HAVING ME.
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