% >> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM
% IS A PBS WISCONSIN
% ORIGINAL PRODUCTION.
% >> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% THIS WEEK ON "HERE AND NOW,"
% ONE-ON-ONE WITH GOVERNOR TONY
% EVERS ABOUT EXTENDING THE "SAFER
% AT HOME" ORDER.
% ASSEMBLY MAJORITY LEADER JIM
% STEINEKE WEIGHS IN ON THAT.
% AND WISCONSIN'S NEW COVID-19
% LEGISLATION.
% PLUS, UW HEALTH IS ON THE FRONT
% LINES TREATING PANDEMIC
% PATIENTS.
% AND AN IN-DEPTH INTERVIEW WITH
% WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
% ELECT JILL KAROFSKY.
% IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR
% APRIL 17.
% >> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS
% PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
% JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
% WISCONSIN.
% >> GOVERNOR TONY EVERS THIS WEEK
% EXTENDS THE "SAFER AT HOME"
% ORDER UNTIL TUESDAY, MAY 26, AND
% ALSO SIGNED INTO LAW A BILL THAT
% WILL ALLOW THE STATE
% TO BETTER RESPOND
% TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
% "HERE AND NOW" SENIOR POLITICAL
% REPORTER ZAC SCHULTZ EXPLAINS
% HOW REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
% CAME TOGETHER TO PASS A BILL
% WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, EVEN
% WHILE SAYING THE BILL
% DOESN'T DO ENOUGH.
% >> THE CLERK WILL OPEN AND CALL
% THE ROLL.
% >> ALLEN?
% >> AYE.
% >> THE LEGISLATURE'S PASSAGE
% OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC
% RESPONSE BILL WAS HISTORIC
% IN MANY WAYS.
% FIRST, THE ASSEMBLY AND SENATE
% MET VIRTUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME
% IN STATE HISTORY.
% >> THESE ARE EXTRAORDINARY TIMES
% AND THESE DECISIONS ARE
% GUT-WRENCHING AS WE
% MOVE THROUGH THEM.
% >> THE SOONER WE CAN MANAGE THE
% HEALTH CRISIS, THE SOONER WE CAN
% ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC CRISIS.
% >> ASSEMBLY BILL 1038 PASSED
% 97-2, WITH TWO DEMOCRATS FROM
% MILWAUKEE OPPOSED.
% THE SENATE CONCURRED 32-0, AND
% GOVERNOR EVERS SIGNED THE BILL
% INTO LAW JUST A FEW HOURS LATER.
% THE TWO BIGGEST ELEMENTS
% OF THE BILL ALLOW WISCONSIN TO
% CAPTURE MORE FEDERAL DOLLARS.
% FIRST, THE STATE WILL RECEIVE
% ADDITIONAL FEDERAL MEDICAID
% REIMBURSEMENT DOLLARS.
% SECOND, LAID-OFF WORKERS WON'T
% HAVE TO WAIT A WEEK TO CLAIM
% UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, WITH THE
% FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PICKING UP
% THE COST.
% WISCONSIN IS ALREADY EXPECTING
% TO RECEIVE AROUND $2.3 BILLION
% FROM THE FEDERAL CARES ACT,
% MOST OF WHICH GOVERNOR EVERS
% WILL BE ABLE TO SPEND AT HIS
% DISCRETION.
% THIS BILL ALLOWS THE
% REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED JOINT
% FINANCE COMMITTEE TO TRANSFER AN
% ADDITIONAL $75 MILLION
% BETWEEN STATE AGENCIES.
% >> THIS BILL IS IMPERFECT AND IT
% MIGHT BE THE FIRST BILL OF A
% NUMBER THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
% TO PASS IN THE LEGISLATURE.
% >> I'M GOING TO BE FORCED TO
% VOTE FOR IT, AND IT'S GOING TO
% PASS, BUT THERE IS FAR MORE,
% FAR MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
% >> HERE.
% >> THE LEGISLATURE IS ADJOURNED
% UNTIL NEXT JANUARY, BUT SENATE
% PRESIDENT ROGER ROTH ENDED
% THE SESSION BY
% ORDERING THE ROOM SHOULD NOT BE
% TOUCHED, WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE
% KEPT IN PLACE,
% IN CASE THE SENATE HAS
% TO COME BACK IN VIRTUAL SESSION
% AGAIN.
% REPORTING FROM MADISON, I'M ZAC
% SCHULTZ FOR "HERE AND NOW."
% >> GOVERNOR TONY EVERS THIS WEEK
% EXTENDED HIS "SAFER AT HOME"
% ORDER UNTIL MAY 26.
% EVEN THOUGH, HE SAYS REOPENING
% THE STATE WON'T BE LIKE FLIPPING
% A SWITCH.
% IT WOULD LIKELY BE GRADUAL AND
% DEPENDS ON HAVING ENOUGH
% TESTING, PERSONAL PROTECTIVE
% EQUIPMENT AND BEEFED UP CONTACT
% TRACING.
% GOVERNOR EVERS HAS AGREED
% TO JOIN US EACH FRIDAY.
% THIS AFTERNOON, HE JOINED US
% FROM THE EXECUTIVE RESIDENCE.
% GOVERNOR EVERS, THANK YOU SO
% MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.
% >> WELCOME, FREDERICA.
% THANKS SO MUCH.
% >> WELL, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL
% YOU THAT YOUR EXTENSION OF THE
% "SAFER AT HOME" ORDER
% IS CONTROVERSIAL.
% WE HAVE PROTESTS PLANNED FOR
% AROUND THE CAPITOL NEXT WEEK.
% WE'VE GOT MAJORITY REPUBLICAN
% LEGISLATORS SAYING THAT THEY'RE
% TALKING ABOUT FILING A LAWSUIT.
% WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE
% UPSET AROUND THIS?
% >> WELL, MY REACTION IS WE NEED
% TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE
% SCIENCE.
% I MEAN, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED
% ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE NEEDED TO
% REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT
% WE HAVE AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
% I MEAN, THE FIRST ORDER, AND
% PEOPLE DID FOLLOW IT, SAFE AT
% HOME, THEY'RE DOING IT, WE SAVED
% LIVES BY DOING IT, BUT WE STILL
% HAVEN'T REACHED THAT POINT WHERE
% WE CAN SAY IT'S HEADED IN THE
% OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
% SO WE -- FRANKLY, FROM A SCIENCE
% POINT OF VIEW, WE HAD NO CHOICE.
% AND THE SECOND THING IS -- AND I
% THINK SOME PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT
% THIS, BUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS
% ORDER, THIS ORDER IS ABOUT
% MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING
% TO A BETTER PLACE HEALTH-WISE,
% BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW
% THIS GETS US TO THE POINT WHERE
% WE CAN START TO REOPEN PARTS OF
% OUR ECONOMY.
% SO IT'S BOTH THESE THINGS
% HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME.
% SO PEOPLE, POLITICIANS HAVE TO
% DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
% I'M FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT
% WE DO THE RIGHT THING
% HEALTH-WISE FOR OUR STATE AND
% THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR ECONOMY.
% >> NOW, YOU SAY THAT THREE
% THINGS ARE NEEDED TO REOPEN THE
% STATE: MASSIVE EXPANSION OF
% TESTING CAPACITY, SUFFICIENT
% PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
% FOR HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND
% GREATLY EXPANDED CONTACT
% TRACING.
% DESCRIBE WHY HAVING THESE THINGS
% MET WILL MEAN THAT IT IS SAFE
% THEN TO GO ABOUT OUR BUSINESS.
% >> YEAH.
% AND I'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY THOSE
% ARE THE SAME THINGS THAT WE SAW
% PRESIDENT TRUMP TALK ABOUT IN
% HIS COMMENTS AND THE CDC'S
% COMMENTS THE OTHER DAY.
% SO THESE AREN'T NEW THINGS.
% BUT WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT IS
% THIS:
% AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE WILL
% HAVE A CHANCE TO RAPIDLY REDUCE
% THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
% STILL POSITIVELY IMPACTED -- OR
% HAVE A POSITIVE TEST.
% BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS BE
% READY FOR THOSE -- UNTIL WE HAVE
% A VACCINE, THAT VIRUS IS NOT
% GOING AWAY, SO WE NEED TO MAKE
% SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN
% PLACE SO THAT WHEN WE DO FIND
% SOMEONE, WE HAVE THE TESTING,
% WE'LL DO MUCH MORE TESTING THAN
% WE DO NOW, THEN WE CAN USE THOSE
% CONTACT TRACERS TO FOLLOW UP
% WITH THAT PERSON, FIND OUT WHO
% THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH AND
% TALKING TO AND EXPOSING, AND GET
% THOSE PEOPLE 14 DAYS ISOLATION
% SO THAT WE CAN START TO DO THIS
% IN A WAY THAT'S IMPORTANT.
% NOW, THE EQUIPMENT IS THE SAME
% THING.
% WE NEED THAT FOR TESTING, PEOPLE
% THAT DO THE TESTS.
% BUT WE ALSO NEED THAT SUPPLY OF
% EQUIPMENT FOR OUR BUSINESS
% COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WHEN THEY
% REOPEN, THEIR WORKPLACE IS GOING
% TO LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT THAN IT
% DOES NOW AND THEY'RE GOING TO
% NEED SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT
% ALSO.
% >> BACK TO TESTING.
% WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A PROBLEM
% WITH HAVING ENOUGH TESTS TO GET
% TO THIS PLACE WHERE YOU AND THE
% HEALTH SECRETARY-DESIGNEE WANT
% US TO BE.
% WHY DO WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM WITH
% NUMBER OF TESTS?
% >> WELL, THERE'S SOME
% COMMUNICATION ISSUES HERE BUT WE
% ARE RAMPING THAT UP AS WE SPEAK.
% WE SENT 2,000 TESTS TODAY TO
% GREEN BAY.
% WE'RE RAMPING IT UP ON OUR
% NATIVE AMERICAN AND NATIONS
% ACROSS THE STATE ALSO.
% SO WE'RE GETTING IN A GOOD
% PLACE.
% CERTAINLY WE HAD TROUBLE GETTING
% THE TESTING MATERIALS, BUT WE
% HAVE TO USE WHAT WE HAVE WISELY
% AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING
% RIGHT NOW.
% BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE
% AND THE OTHER STATES THAT WE'RE
% WORKING WITH ABSOLUTELY NEED
% MORE TESTING MATERIALS.
% I THINK WE HAVE THE TESTING LABS
% IN PLACE.
% IT'S THE MATERIALS THAT ARE THE
% PROBLEM.
% >> AS YOU SAY, YOU HAVE ENTERED
% INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER
% MIDWEST GOVERNORS ON WAYS TO
% REOPEN THE ECONOMY.
% WHY THIS REGIONAL APPROACH?
% >> WELL, CERTAINLY IT SENDS A
% MESSAGE TO PEOPLE THAT WE'RE ALL
% ABOUT THE SAME THING: HAVING
% THESE CONTACT TRACERS IN PLACE,
% MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH
% EQUIPMENT AND TESTING MATERIALS.
% AS A GROUP, WE REPRESENT
% MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND IT'S A
% BIPARTISAN THING AND SO HAVING
% THAT UNIFIED VOICE.
% AND THEN, FRANKLY, THE WHITE
% HOUSE AND THE CDC FOLLOWED IN
% OUR FOOTSTEPS OR VICE VERSA, BUT
% WE'RE ALL TOGETHER ON MAKING
% SURE THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE FRONT
% AND CENTER.
% AND I SEE THAT FROM BUSINESS
% PEOPLE, TOO, AND BUSINESS
% ORGANIZATIONS, MAKING THE SAME
% KIND OF PRE-CONDITIONS FOR
% GETTING WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
% SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO
% SPEAK IN ONE VOICE AND, FRANKLY,
% I THINK IT TELLS PEOPLE THAT
% WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS AND
% IT'S A BIPARTISAN THING AND NOT
% JUST A BUNCH OF DEMS FIGURING
% THIS OUT.
% >> ALL RIGHT.
% GOVERNOR TONY EVERS, AGAIN, WE
% GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU JOINING
% US, JOINING US EACH FRIDAY HERE
% ON "HERE AND NOW."
% THANKS VERY MUCH.
% >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
% APPRECIATE IT.
% >> SOME PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY WITH
% LONG-TERM "STAY AT HOME" ORDERS,
% ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT
% ON CLOSED BUSINESSES AND JOB
% LOSS.
% THIS WEEK, WE CHECKED IN WITH
% WISCONSIN ASSEMBLY MAJORITY
% LEADER JAMES STEINEKE FOR HIS
% TAKE.
% REPRESENTATIVE STEINEKE, THANKS
% VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
% >> ABSOLUTELY.
% GOOD TO BE HERE.
% >> SO WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO
% THE EXTENSION OF THE "SAFER AT
% HOME" ORDER?
% >> DISAPPOINTED AND, FRANKLY,
% CONFUSED, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN
% OTHER STATES THAT ARE PREPARING
% TO RELAX SOME OF THESE
% REGULATIONS COME MAY 1,
% INCLUDING SOME OF OUR
% SURROUNDING STATES, AND THEN YOU
% LOOK AT NEW YORK, WHO DID AN
% EXTENSION OF THEIR "SAFER AT
% HOME" RESTRICTIONS, BUT THEY
% ONLY WENT TO MAY 15.
% GOVERNOR EVERS DECIDING ON
% MAY 26, WE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND
% WHERE HE GOT THAT DATE FROM AND
% WHAT HE'S USING AS HIS BASIS TO
% MAKE THAT DECISION, BECAUSE IT
% SEEMS TO FLY IN THE FACE OF WHAT
% OTHER STATES ARE DOING,
% INCLUDING OTHER STATES LIKE
% MICHIGAN AND NEW YORK, THAT HAVE
% MUCH MORE SERIOUS PROBLEMS THAN
% WHAT WE DO.
% >> SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE
% HAPPEN?
% >> I'D LIKE TO SEE A MUCH MORE
% MEASURED APPROACH.
% HE HAS THE AUTHORITY UNDER THE
% EMERGENCY DECLARATION UNTIL
% MAY 12.
% I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO SEE
% THE EXTENSION GO, YOU KNOW, TO
% MAY 12, IF THAT.
% YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD,
% OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
% THE DATA AND MAKE SURE WE'RE
% MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE
% BEST HEALTH OF OUR CITIZENS.
% BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY
% REASON, GIVEN THE FACT THAT,
% LIKE IN THE FOX VALLEY, THERE'S
% SEVEN CASES, SEVEN PEOPLE
% HOSPITALIZED WITH THIS VIRUS IS
% 13 HOSPITALS.
% SO OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE
% OUTSIDE OF MILWAUKEE AND MAYBE
% MADISON AREN'T SEEING AS BIG OF
% AN ISSUE AND TO RELAX
% REGULATIONS IN THOSE PLACES
% SEEMS TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE
% SENSE.
% >> YOU AND THE MAJORITY, I
% UNDERSTAND, ARE GOING TO PURSUE
% LEGAL AND LEGISLATIVE OPTIONS.
% ON WHAT BASIS?
% >> WELL, AGAIN, THE EMERGENCY
% DECLARATION IS GOOD FOR 60 DAYS.
% THAT GOES UNTIL MAY 12.
% WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS USING AS
% HIS BASIS TO EXTEND THIS IS
% AUTHORITY THAT THEY SAY THAT THE
% SECRETARY OF THE DHS HAS TO
% EXTEND THIS INDEFINITELY.
% I DON'T KNOW HOW IF THE STATUTES
% GIVE THE LEGISLATURE THE ABILITY
% TO END AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION
% OR, IN THE ABSENCE OF ENDING IT,
% NOT EXTENDING IT, HOW AN
% APPOINTEE OF THE GOVERNOR CAN
% UNILATERALLY EXTEND IT FOR AS
% LONG AS SHE WANTS.
% THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF WHAT
% THE LAW SAYS AS FAR AS THE
% LEGISLATURE'S CAPABILITY.
% >> YOU HAVE YET FILED OR
% FORMULATED YOUR REMEDIES?
% >> NO, WE HAVEN'T.
% WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH
% THAT.
% I'M STILL HOPEFUL THAT THE
% GOVERNOR WILL ACTUALLY COME TO
% US WITH A PLAN.
% I THINK THE THING THAT
% WISCONSINITES ARE REALLY
% FRUSTRATED BY IS THAT THE
% GOVERNOR HAS NEVER ALIGNED --
% LAID OUT THE CRITERIA THAT HE'S
% USING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
% SO WHEN HE SAYS WE NEED MORE
% PPE, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK
% LIKE?
% WHAT NUMBER DO WE HAVE TO HIT?
% HOW MANY WEEKS OF PPE DO WE
% NEED?
% HE SAYS, WE NEED MORE TESTING.
% OKAY.
% WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
% HOW MANY TESTS DO WE HAVE TO BE
% ABLE TO DO PER DAY OR WEEK TO
% HIT THAT BENCHMARK?
% HE'S KIND OF PATTING EVERYBODY
% ON THE HEAD SAYING YOU'RE DOING
% A GREAT JOB WHILE WE HAVE
% BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE STATE
% THAT ARE FAILING MORE, MANY MORE
% THAT ARE GOING TO BE FAILING
% OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
% AND THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM
% THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO ADDRESS
% AND HAVE TO GIVE SOME PEOPLE
% SOME IDEA OF WHEN THIS IS GOING
% TO END.
% >> WHAT ABOUT THE MODELS FROM
% THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
% SERVICES THAT SAY WITHOUT THE
% "SAFER AT HOME" ORDER, SOMEWHERE
% BETWEEN 300 AND 1400 LIVES WOULD
% ALREADY HAVE BEEN LOST TO
% CORONAVIRUS?
% >> WELL, I THINK THE MODELS HAVE
% BEEN CONSISTENTLY OFF, SO I
% THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE
% PROBLEM.
% AND I GET IT.
% YOU KNOW, MODELING SOMETHING
% LIKE THIS, A VIRUS THAT WE'VE
% NEVER SEEN BEFORE, IS VERY
% DIFFICULT, VERY DIFFICULT TO
% UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS.
% WE SAW NATIONALLY THE MODEL SAID
% EVEN WITH RESTRICTIONS WE ARE
% GOING TO SEE HUNDREDS OF
% THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIE.
% WE NOW KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT
% LIKELY TO BE THE CASE.
% SO WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS
% BASED ON THE DATA FROM THE
% MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, BUT WE
% ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE IN AREAS
% WHERE THIS ISN'T AS BIG OF AN
% ISSUE THAT WE CAN START TO RELAX
% THE REGULATIONS HERE PRETTY SOON
% SO BUSINESSES CAN SURVIVE AND
% PEOPLE CAN GET BACK TO WORK.
% >> HOW DO YOU, THOUGH, HOW DO
% YOU POSSIBLY RECONCILE LOST
% BUSINESSES AND JOBS WITH LOSS OF
% LIFE?
% >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
% AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
% OBVIOUSLY STRUGGLE WITH.
% BUT THIS WAS ALWAYS ABOUT
% BENDING THE CURVE, RIGHT?
% SLOWING THE SPREAD.
% IT WAS NEVER ABOUT GETTING DOWN
% TO ZERO.
% THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AREN'T
% SAYING THAT WE'RE SOMEHOW GOING
% TO STAY SAFER AT HOME UNTIL
% WE'RE DOWN TO ZERO INFECTIONS.
% THAT'S NEVER BEEN THE CASE.
% THIS IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT
% THE HOSPITALS ARE PREPARED AND
% HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO HELP
% DEAL WITH THE PATIENTS THAT ARE
% COMING IN.
% AND AS WE SEE ACROSS THE STATE,
% HOSPITALS BY AND LARGE ARE
% EMPTY.
% THEY ARE HEMORRHAGING TENS AND
% HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
% RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOW
% CANCELLED ALL ELECTIVE
% PROCEDURES WAITING FOR THIS
% INFLUX OF PATIENTS THAT HASN'T
% COME IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE
% STATE.
% >> REPRESENTATIVE JAMES
% STEINEKE, WE NEED TO LEAVE IT
% THERE.
% THANKS VERY MUCH.
% >> THANK YOU.
% >> FOR MANY, MEMORIAL DAY
% WEEKEND IS THE BEGINNING OF
% SUMMER AND A TRIP TO THE CABIN
% OR SECOND HOME.
% EVEN PRIOR TO THE "SAFER AT
% HOME" EXTENSION DUE TO COVID-19,
% COUNTIES WERE URGING PEOPLE TO
% STAY HOME.
% TREVOR KELLER SHOWS US HOW AN
% INFLUX OF PEOPLE COULD HAVE A
% BIG IMPACT ON HEALTH CARE IN
% THOSE AREAS.
% >> BEAUTIFUL SCENERY IN ITS
% ISOLATED SETTING MAKE DOOR
% COUNTY AN ENTICING GET AWAY FROM
% THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
% BUT LOCAL OFFICIALS ARE URGING
% PEOPLE TO AVOID THE PENINSULA.
% >> I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD ASK
% PEOPLE NOT TO COME TO DOOR
% COUNTY.
% IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO US.
% IT'S JUST NOT IN OUR NATURE TO
% DO THAT.
% >> THE COUNTY IS ASKING PEOPLE
% TO STAY AWAY.
% THE WORRY IS AN OLDER POPULATION
% AND LIMITED HEALTH CARE STAFF.
% DOOR COUNTY MEDICAL CENTER IS
% THE COUNTY'S ONLY HOSPITAL.
% THEY'VE TRIPLED THEIR INTENSIVE
% CARE CAPACITY, BUT THAT'S 12 TO
% 15 ICU BEDS FOR A COUNTY OF
% 27,000 PEOPLE.
% >> TYPICALLY IF WE HAVE A
% CRITICALLY-ILL PATIENT, THAT
% PERSON WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO
% GREEN BAY.
% >> THE WHITE GULL INN IS CLOSED.
% THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING SUMMER
% CANCELLATIONS AND SENDING OUT
% REFUNDS.
% >> WE'RE ACTIVELY GIVING --
% SENDING MONEY OUT THE DOOR EVERY
% DAY AND NOT BRINGING ANY IN,
% WHICH IS DEFINITELY UNUSUAL FOR
% THIS TIME OF YEAR.
% >> AL JOHNSON'S RESTAURANT IS
% FAMOUS FOR ITS GOATS ON THE
% ROOF, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE MORE
% CONCERNED ABOUT CUSTOMERS
% THROUGH THE DOOR.
% >> THOSE MONTHS ARE WHAT CARRY
% US THE ENTIRE YEAR.
% WE'RE KIND OF IN A HOLDING
% PATTERN.
% >> ANXIETY IS HIGH, BUT BUSINESS
% OWNERS ALL AGREED VISITORS
% SHOULD STAY HOME.
% THEY JUST HOPE A ROCKY SPRING
% CAN STILL TURN INTO A MORE
% TYPICAL DOOR COUNTY SUMMER.
% >> IT'S A TOSS-UP BETWEEN BEING
% ANXIOUS TO OPEN OUR DOORS AS
% SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BUT NOT
% WANTING TO PUT US OR OUR STAFF
% OR OUR VISITORS AT RISK.
% >> FOR "HERE AND NOW,"
% I'M TREVOR KELLER.
% >> THIS WEEK SOME POSITIVE NEWS
% IN THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID-19.
% THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN HAS
% JOINED A NATIONWIDE EFFORT TO
% HELP PEOPLE HOSPITALIZED WITH
% CORONAVIRUS.
% AS "HERE AND NOW" REPORTER
% MARISA WOJCIK SHOWS YOU, THEY
% ARE TAKING PLASMA FROM A MADISON
% PATIENT WHO HAS RECOVERED TO
% BENEFIT PEOPLE STILL SERIOUSLY
% ILL WITH THE DISEASE.
% >> I STARTED HEARING ABOUT IT
% AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE COOL
% IF WE COULD TURN THIS INTO A
% POSITIVE.
% >> THE PLASMA IN HIS BLOOD
% CONTAINED SOMETHING SPECIAL.
% >> THE INDIVIDUAL THAT YOU TAKE
% IT FROM, THAT PERSON HAS ALREADY
% FOUGHT OFF THE VIRUS, SO THEY
% HAVE AN EFFECTIVE ANTIBODY IN
% THEIR SYSTEM.
% >> DR. WILLIAM HARTMAN IS THE
% LEADING INVESTIGATOR TO BRING
% THE PLASMA OF RECOVERED COVID-19
% PATIENTS TO THOSE WHO ARE
% CURRENTLY SUFFERING FROM THE
% DISEASE.
% >> SO THIS IS A TECHNIQUE THAT
% ACTUALLY DATES BACK OVER 100
% YEARS.
% IT WAS USED TO TREAT DIPHTHERIA,
% SPANISH FLU.
% IT'S BEEN USED IN OTHER
% CORONAVIRUSES, LIKE MERS AND
% SARS.
% >> GARY DONATED HIS PLASMA LAST
% WEEK.
% >> WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GIVING
% THE PATIENT AN IMMUNE BOOST.
% >> STUDYING THE EFFECTS OF HIS
% IMMUNE BOOST WITHIN OTHERS WILL
% HELP THE MEDICAL WORLD
% UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL OF THIS
% TREATMENT.
% >> CAN WE PREVENT PATIENTS FROM
% GOING ON TO VENTILATORS?
% CAN WE PREVENT THEM FROM GOING
% INTO THE ICU?
% >> THE PROJECT HAS GROWN TO 800
% HOSPITALS NATIONWIDE.
% >> THIS, BECAUSE IT'S A
% MEANINGFUL STUDY, I THINK REALLY
% WILL ALLOW US TO COME TO A
% CONCLUSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT
% IT'S EFFECTIVE AND SAFE AND THEN
% WE CAN SPREAD WORLDWIDE TO TREAT
% AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN.
% >> HUNDREDS MORE HAVE CALLED,
% ASKING IF THEY QUALIFY TO DONATE
% PLASMA.
% >> THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY
% HAS BEEN SO TREMENDOUS AND
% FORTHCOMING WITH THEIR DONATIONS
% MEANS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PLASMA
% AVAILABLE TO ANY PATIENT THAT
% NEEDS IT.
% >> THERE IS SO LITTLE THAT WE
% REGULAR PEOPLE CAN DO.
% >> WE'VE BEEN SITTING HERE IN
% THE HOUSE FOR FIVE WEEKS AND
% WATCHING ALL THE HEROIC THINGS
% THAT OTHERS ARE DOING OUT THERE
% AND FEELING JUST TOTALLY
% HELPLESS.
% AND THIS WAS A CHANCE FOR US TO
% DO SOMETHING.
% >> FOR "HERE AND NOW," I'M
% MARISA WOJCIK.
% >> THE RESULTS OF THE
% CONTROVERSIAL SPRING ELECTION IN
% WISCONSIN GRABBED HEADLINES THIS
% WEEK, MOST NOTABLY AN UPSET WIN
% IN THE WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT
% RACE.
% DANIEL KELLY BECAME ONLY THE
% THIRD INCUMBENT JUSTICE TO LOSE
% HIS SEAT ON THE COURT SINCE 1967
% AND THERE COULD BE REPERCUSSIONS
% FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.
% DANE COUNTY JUDGE JILL KAROFSKY
% RODE A WAVE OF DEMOCRATIC
% SUPPORT TO WIN A TEN-YEAR TERM,
% CUTTING THE CONSERVATIVE
% MAJORITY IN THE TOP COURT.
% IT NOW STANDS AT 4-3.
% SHE JOINED US FROM HER HOME IN
% MADISON.
% THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
% >> THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
% IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE WITH YOU.
% >> AND I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD SAY
% CONGRATULATIONS.
% >> THANK YOU.
% I'M VERY, VERY HUMBLED, AND I'M
% HONORED THAT I'M GOING TO BE THE
% NEXT JUSTICE ON THE WISCONSIN
% SUPREME COURT.
% >> NOW, ON ELECTION RETURN DAY,
% YOU DECLARED VICTORY LONG BEFORE
% THE ASSOCIATED PRESS CALLED THE
% ELECTION FOR YOU.
% WHAT WERE THE EARLY INDICATORS
% THAT YOU HAD WON?
% >> WE KNEW THAT WE WERE HOLDING
% OUR OWN AS FAR AS THE MARGINS IN
% THE "WOW COUNTIES" OF WAUKESHA,
% OZAUKEE AND WASHINGTON.
% WE KNEW THAT WE WERE WINNING IN
% WINNEBAGO, THAT WE WERE WINNING
% IN BROWN, AND THAT WE'RE WINNING
% IN OUTAGAMIE, WHICH I GUESS NOW
% ARE CALLED THE "BOW COUNTIES."
% SO WE WERE DOING -- HOLDING OUR
% MARGINS IN THE "WOW COUNTIES,"
% AND WE WERE DOING WELL IN THE
% "BOW COUNTIES."
% WE ALSO KNEW THAT THE VOTES IN
% MILWAUKEE, IN THE COUNTY OF
% MILWAUKEE AND THE CITY OF
% MILWAUKEE AND DANE COUNTY, AND
% PARTICULARLY MADISON, HAD NOT
% COME IN YET.
% AND THEN WE WERE ALSO STARTING
% TO SEE REALLY STRONG RETURNS
% FROM SOUTHWESTERN WISCONSIN,
% ESPECIALLY IN PLACES LIKE
% LA CROSSE.
% >> DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOUR
% VICTORY OVER THE INCUMBENT, WHO
% WAS ENDORSED BY DONALD TRUMP, IS
% A BELLWETHER FOR LIBERALS IN
% NOVEMBER?
% >> I THINK OUR ELECTION IS AN
% INDICATOR THAT PEOPLE IN THE
% STATE OF WISCONSIN HEARD THE
% MESSAGE OF OUR CAMPAIGN AND THAT
% THEY WANT STATE SUPREME COURT
% JUSTICES WHO ARE COMMITTED TO
% FOLLOWING THE RULE OF LAW.
% I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
% HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER OR BEYOND,
% BUT I KNOW THAT IN THIS ELECTION
% THAT DESPITE EFFORTS TO SUPPRESS
% THE VOTE, PEOPLE VOTED AND THEY
% CAME OUT STRONG.
% WE WON BY OVER 10 POINTS.
% THE MESSAGE WAS LOUD AND IT WAS
% CLEAR THAT PEOPLE WANTED A
% CHANGE ON THE COURT.
% >> NOW, AS YOU'VE JUST SAID,
% PEOPLE CAME OUT TO VOTE IN
% PLACES LIKE MILWAUKEE, EVEN IN
% THE FACE OF COVID-19.
% WHAT IS YOUR KIND OF LINGERING
% RESPONSE TO THAT?
% >> FIRST OF ALL, WE NEVER SHOULD
% HAVE HAD AN ELECTION ON APRIL
% 7TH.
% PEOPLE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN
% PUT IN THE POSITION WHERE THEY
% HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THEIR OWN
% HEALTH AND SAFETY AND VOICING
% THEIR VOTE, HAVING THEIR VOICE
% HEARD IN THIS ELECTION.
% BUT PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO DO
% THAT.
% PEOPLE BRAVED COVID-19.
% THEY WORE MASKS AND THEY WORE
% GLOVES AND THEY WENT TO THE
% POLLING PLACES.
% AND LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES
% MADE ME CRY.
% THINKING ABOUT THOSE PICTURES
% RIGHT NOW MAKES ME FEEL VERY,
% VERY EMOTIONAL
% FOR WHAT THOSE PEOPLE DID.
% IT IS CLEAR THAT WHAT PEOPLE
% WANT ON THIS IS -- IN THIS STATE
% IS A COURT THAT IS NOT PARTISAN,
% BUT A COURT THAT HAS JUSTICES ON
% IT WHO ARE COMMITTED TO
% FOLLOWING THE LAW.
% >> IN THE MIDST OF THIS
% PANDEMIC, WOULD YOU SUPPORT
% MOVING TO MAIL-IN VOTING IN LIEU
% OF IN-PERSON GOING FORWARD?
% >> I THINK, AND I'VE SAID THIS
% IN THE CAMPAIGN, THAT WE NEED TO
% DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TRY TO
% MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO
% PARTICIPATE IN ELECTIONS AND NOT
% MORE DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO
% PARTICIPATE IN ELECTIONS.
% AND, LIKE I SAID, WE SHOULDN'T
% HAVE HAD AN ELECTION ON APRIL
% 7TH.
% WE SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ELECTION
% WHERE PEOPLE COULD EXERCISE
% THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE IN A WAY
% THAT WOULD BE SAFE FOR THEM AND
% SAFE FOR MEMBERS OF THEIR
% FAMILY, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
% >> HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO GROW
% COLLEGIALITY ON THE COURT,
% ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE ANIMOSITY
% BORN OF THIS PAST ELECTION?
% >> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO
% BE A PROBLEM.
% SEVERAL OF THE JUSTICES HAVE
% ALREADY REACHED OUT TO ME.
% I THINK, LIKE I HAVE SAID
% BEFORE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE
% AREAS WHERE WE AGREE, THERE ARE
% GOING TO BE AREAS WHERE WE
% DISAGREE, BUT I'M LOOKING
% FORWARD TO THE SOCIAL DISTANCING
% BEING OVER SO I CAN SIT DOWN
% WITH EACH OF MY COLLEAGUES OVER
% A CUP OF COFFEE OR A GOOD
% WISCONSIN BEER AND WE CAN PUT
% OUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE SO WE CAN
% DO THE WORK THAT THE PEOPLE OF
% WISCONSIN ELECTED US TO DO.
% >> THIS QUESTION ON YOUR
% CAMPAIGN, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
% GAVE YOU $1.3 MILLION.
% DO YOU BELIEVE YOU WOULD HAVE TO
% RECUSE IN ANY CASE THAT CAME
% BEFORE THE COURT
% INVOLVING THE PARTY?
% >> I HAVE SAID, AND I WILL KEEP
% THIS PROMISE, THAT IF THE
% DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF WISCONSIN IS
% A LITIGANT, IS A PARTY IN A CASE
% THAT COMES TO THE WISCONSIN
% STATE SUPREME COURT, I WILL NOT
% SIT ON THAT CASE.
% >> EVEN WITH YOUR ELECTION TO
% THE SUPREME COURT, CONSERVATIVES
% STILL HOLD A MAJORITY.
% WHAT DOES A MORE EVEN SPLIT
% MEAN, IF ANYTHING, FOR DECISIONS
% TO COME?
% >> I THINK THAT THE COURT, WITH
% THE WAY THINK THAT IT'S
% STRUCTURED NOW, WITH THE
% JUSTICES ON IT, THAT THERE COULD
% BE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US
% TO HAVE SOME INCREDIBLY
% MEANINGFUL AND IMPORTANT
% CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW
% SAYS, WHAT THE LAW MEANS, AND
% WHAT OUR OPINIONS OUGHT TO SAY.
% AND I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD
% TO HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND
% TO BEING PART OF THOSE OPINIONS
% FROM THE COURT.
% >> ALL RIGHT.
% WELL, JUSTICE-ELECT JILL
% KAROFSKY, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
% JOINING US.
% >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
% I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
% STAY WELL.
% >> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR THIS
% WEEK.
% BE SURE TO JOIN US ONLINE
% THROUGHOUT THE WEEK FOR UPDATES
% ON THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AT
% pbswisconsin.org.
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% VISIT OUR PARTNER NEWS SITE AT
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% >> THANK YOU FOR WATCHING "HERE
% AND NOW."
% STAY WELL, WISCONSIN, AND WE
% WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
% I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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