% >>
I'M
FREDERICA FREYBERG.
% TONIGHT
ON
HERE &
NOW,
CHIEF
% JUSTICE
PAT ROGGENSACK SAID A
% PAY
RAISE
APPROVED FOR
APPOINTED% PUBLIC
DEFENDERS
I
S
WELCOME
% NEWS.
% SHE
JOINS
US
IN
A
MOMENT.
% AND
WE'LL
LOOK
INTO
HOW
NEW
REB
% BUDGET
PLANS
IMPACT
THE
U.W.
% SYSTEM.
% IT'S
HERE & NOW
FOR
MAY
31.
% >>
FUNDING
FOR
HERE & NOW
IS
% PROVIDED
IN
PART
BY
FRIENDS
O
F
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
% >>
IN
ALL
THE
STATE
BUDGET
% ACTION THAT
IS
MOSTLY
ARGUED
% ALONG
P
ARTISAN
LINES
LIKE
% FUNDING
FOR
THE
U.W.
SYSTEM OR
% K-12
OR
THE
DNR,
WITH
% TRANSPORTATION
YET
T
O
COME,
RARE
% AGREEMENT
ON
A
MATTER THAT
SOME
% EXPERTS HAVE
SAID WAS
BRINGING % THE
STATE
CLOSE
TO
A
% CONSTITUTIONAL
CRISIS,
THE
% FUNDING FOR
APPOINTED
PUBLIC
% DEFENDERS.
% THIS WEEK
THE
JOINT
COMMITTEE ON
% FINANCE
PASSED
A
BUDGET
MEASURE
% THAT WOULD
HIKE
THE
PAY
FOR
% STATE
APPOINTED
LAWYERS
TO
$70
% AN
HOUR
FROM
THE
CURRENT
% $40-HOUR
RATE.
% THEY
ALSO
INCREASED PAY FOR
% DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS AND
ADDED
% POSITIONS
T
.
DID
PASS
ON
PARTY
% LINES BECAUSE
DEMOCRATS
WANTED
% THE
DEFENDER
RATES
TO
BE
DUE
TO
% INFLATION.
% BUT THE
LARGER
ISSUE
IS
% SOMETHING ON
WHICH
BOTH
SIDES
% CAN
AGREE
AND
THE
DEFENDER
PAY
% INCREASE GOT
POSITIVE REACTION
% FROM
THE
H
IGHEST
COURT
OFFICIAL
% IN
THE
STATE,
WISCONSIN
SUPREME
% COURT
CHIEF
JUSTICE
PATIENCE
% ROGGENSACK.%IT IS NOT
USUAL
THAT
A
CHIEF
% JUSTICE WHO WOULD
WEIGH
IN
ON
A
% BUDGET MATTER BUT
IN
YOUR
MIND,
% HOW
IMPORTANT
IS IT
THAT
WE
% BOOST PAY
FOR
THE
APPOINTED
% PUBLIC
DEFENDERS?
% >> I THINK
IT'S
CRITICAL.% IT'S
CRITICAL IN
A
COUPLE OF
% SENSES.
% FIRST
FROM
A
VERY
FUNDAMENTAL
% BASIS.
% WE HAVE
TO BE
ABLE
T
O
HAVE
% QUALIFIED
LAWYERS
FOR
THOSE
WHO
% CANNOT
AFFORD
TO
PAY
FOR
PRIVATE
% RATE
ATTORNEYS
AND
WE'VE
BEEN
% HAVING
A
VERY HARD
TIME
FINDING % PEOPLE WHO ARE
QUALIFIED THAT % WILL
WORK
AT
$40
AN
HOUR.
% LAWYERS
ARE
IN
SHORT
SUPPLY IN
% NORTHWEST
PART
OF
THE
STATE
AT
% ANY
HOURLY RATE
AND
AT
$40
AN
% HOUR,
IT'S
ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE
T
O
% FIND
THEM.
% BUT,
YOU KNOW,
EACH
PERSON
HAS
A
% CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO
BE
% REPRESENTED
BY
COMPETENT
COUNSEL
% WHEN THEY'RE
CHARGED
WITH
A
% CRIME.%THERE WAS A
PROBLEM
HERE.
% IN
ADDITION,
IT'S A
MATTER
OF
% EFFECTIVENESS AND
EFFICIENCY FOR
% THE COURT
IN
THAT
THE
COURT % SYSTEM DOESN'T FUNCTION
WELL
IF
% YOU
DON'T
HAVE
QUALIFIED
% ATTORNEYS
FOR
PEOPLE
WHO
ARE
% CHARGED WITH
A
CRIME.
% SO
I BEGAN
TO
WORK
WITH
OTHER
% PEOPLE
ON
THIS
AS
A
PACKAGE,
% TALKING TO
LEGISLATORS
% PRIVATELY, TALKING
TO
--
% ACTUALLY I
TALKED
TO
THE
% GOVERNOR BEFORE
HE
GAVE
HIS
% STATE OF THE
BUDGET
ADDRESS AND
% HE
DID
PUT
IT
I
N
HIS
STATE OF
% THE
BUDGET
ADDRESS.
% I WAS VERY
PLEASED
WITH
THAT.
% >>
NOW,
THE
$40
RATE
WAS
SET
IN
% 1995.%WHY
HAS
IT
TAKEN
SO
LONG
TO
% ADDRESS
THIS?
% >>
I DON'T KNOW.
% I
HONEST TO
GOODNESS
DON'T
KNOW.
% BUT WHEN
IT WAS
ASKED
IN
THE
% LAST BUDGET
TO
RAISE IT
AND
% NOTHING HAPPENED AND
I
THOUGHT % AT
THAT
POINT
IN
TIME,
I'M
GOING
% TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE IT
% MATTERS
TO
THE
ENTIRE
COURT
% SYSTEM.%OF COURSE IT
MATTERS IN A
% CONSTITUTIONAL SENSE TO
THE
% DEFENDANTS WHO ARE
NEEDING
% COUNSEL AND
COMPETENT
COUNSEL % BUT
IT
MATTERS
--
THE
SYSTE
M
% DOES NOT FUNCTION
WELL
IF
YOU % CAN'T BRING SOMEONE
CHARGED
WITH
% A
CRIME
QUICKLY B
EFORE
A
% MAGISTRATE,
THAT'S
A
PROBLEM.
% >>
SO
THAT'S
A
PRACTICAL
EFFECT
% ON
THE
DEFENDANTS BUT
WHAT
% EFFECT
DID
THIS
HAVE
OR
DOES
IT
% HAVE
ON
THE
SYSTEM
ITSELF
AND
% EVEN
THE
COUNTIES?
% >>
I THINK IT
HAS
A
BIG
EFFECT
% ON
BOTH,
OKAY?
% TO GO
TO THE
COUNTIES,
THE
% LEGISLATURE ALSO
INCREASED THE
% AMOUNT
OF
MONEY
THAT
THEY
GIVE
% TO THE
COURTS
IN
THE
BUDGET THAT
% I
SUBMITTED BECAUSE
THERE'S
AN
% AMOUNT O
F
MONEY
WE
SIMPLY
PASS
% THROUGH TO
THE
COUNTIES AND
% THAT'S
BECAUSE THE
COUNTIES % REALLY ARE
OUR
PARTNERS.% YOU
KNOW,
THOSE
CIRCUIT
COURTS
% ARE
MAINTAINED.
% THEY'RE STATE
COURTS
BUT
% MAINTAINED IN
PARTNERSHIP
WITH
% THE
COUNTIES SO
BECAUSE
WE
AS
% THE
SUPREME
COURT HAD
UPPED
THE
% RATE
THAT THE
COUNTIES
HAVE
TO
% PAY
TO
$100
AN
HOUR,
THERE WAS
% GOING TO BE
A
BIG,
BIG
INCREASE.
% NOW WITH
THE
RATE
UP
TO
$70
AN
% HOUR,
IT
ISN'T
GOING
TO BE
AS
% NECESSARY
TO TRAVEL T
O
THE
$1
#
% --
$100
A
RATE.
% IT
AFFECTS
THE
FUNCTIONING AND
% COUNTIES,
TOO.
% >>
HOW FAR
DO YOU THINK
THE
$30
% HIKE
WILL GO
TO
ATTRACT THE
% PRIVATE,
APPOINTED
ATTORNEYS IN
% PLACES
LIKE
YOU'RE
SAYING,
% NORTHWEST
WISCONSIN?
% >>
YEAH.
% YOU KNOW,
THE
$70
AN
HOUR
WASN'T
% A
RABBIT
THAT
WE
PICKED
OUT
OF
A
% HAT.
% I HAD
KELLY
THOMPSON
COME
IN
AND
% TALK
WITH
ME
ABOUT THIS
PROBLEM
% WHEN
WE
DIDN'T GET
ANYTHING
IN
% THE
BUDGET LAST
GO
AROUND
AND
I
% SAID,
WHAT WOULD
YOU
PAY
A
NEW
% ATTORNEY
HIRED
A
S
AN
IN-STAFF % PERSON
IN
YOUR
OFFICE?
% AND SHE
TOLD
ME
AND
I
SAID,
% WELL,
IF
YOU
MONETIZE THE
% BENEFITS, WHAT WOULD THE
DOLLAR % AN
HOUR
BE?
% IT WAS
70.
% THAT'S HOW
WE
CAME
UP
WITH
THE
% $70
AN
HOUR
FIGURE.% >>
AND
KELLY
THOMPSON
IS
THE
% HEAD OF
--
% >>
SHE
IS
THE
STATE
PUBLIC
% DEFENDER.
% THAT'S
RIGHT.
% >>
SO WOULD
YOU HAVE
WANTED
THIS
% INDEX
TO
INFLATION?
% >> THAT'S
ALWAYS A
GOOD
THING
% BUT THE
LEGISLATURE
IS
ALWAYS
% CHARRY
OF
BINDING
ANOTHER
% LEGISLATURE TO
SOMETHING
THEY
% DECIDE
TODAY.
% I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT
% THEY'VE
INDEXED TO
INFLATION.
% >> A
S
YOU'VE
SAID,
YOU
WORKED TO% GET THIS MEASURE
PASSED.
% WHAT HAS BEEN
THE
EARLY
%
REACTION?
% >>
EARLY REACTION
FROM
--
% >> FROM
THE
SYSTEM, FROM
THE
% COURTS,
FROM
THE
JUDGES.
% >>
I THINK IT'S
BEEN
VERY,
VERY
% FAVORABLE.%IT'S NOT
PARTISAN
AT
ALL.% I THINK
EVERYBODY
REALIZES
THE
% TIME
HAS
COME
AND
SO
IT'S
MOVED
% FORWARD.%WE HAD A
DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNOR,
A
% REPUBLICAN
LEGISLATURE AND
THEY
% ARE --
I
THINK
ON
ALL
SIDES
% COMMITTED TO
DOING
THIS
OUT
O
F
% FAIRNESS AND
OUT
OF
A
CONCERN
% THAT
THE
COURTS FUNCTION
FAIRLY
% FOR
ALL
THE
PEOPLE
IN
WISCONSIN.
% >> CHIEF
JUSTICE
PAT
ROGGENSACK,% THANK YOU
VERY
MUCH.
% >>
YOU'RE
VERY WELCOME.
% >>
IN
OTHER BUDGET
NEWS,
LEADERS
% DECIDEDLY
LESS
PLEASED,
THE % REPUBLICAN
MAJORITY
REDUCED
A
% PROPOSED
FUNDING
INCREASE AND
% CONTINUED A
TUITION
FREEZE
FOR
% THE
UW
SYSTEM.% THAT WOULD
GIVE
THE
SYSTEM
$58
% MILLION, LESS THAN
HALF
WHAT
THE
% GOVERNOR
PROPOSED.
% AND
$45
MILLION WOULD
ONLY
BE
% RELEASED
IF THE
LEGISLATURE
% APPROVES!$!
!
!% APPROVES.%JOINT FINANCE
COMMITTEE
% CO-CHAIR,
REPRESENTATIVE
JOHN
% NYGREN, MADE
THE
CASE.
% >>
THERE ARE
ALWAYS
BE A DESIRE
% FROM
SOME TO
SPEND
MORE
AND
% THERE WILL
ALWAYS B
E
AN
% OPPORTUNITY
FOR
U
S
TO HAVE
THOSE
% CONVERSATIONS.%FUT
--
BUT FIRST AND
FOREMOST,
% THERE ARE
EXPECTATIONS THAT
HAVE
% TO BE BUILT INTO
ANY
RESOURCES
% WE
PROVIDE
FOR,
ANY
TAXPAYER
% FUNDED
ENTITY HERE
IN
OUR
STATE.
% IT'S
MY HOPE THAT THIS
MOTION, % THAT
THOSE
CONVERSATIONS
DO
TAKE
% PLACE AND AT THE END
OF
THE
DAY,
% THE
UW
SYSTEM
IS
STRONGER
% BECAUSE
OF
IT
.
% >>
UW
SYSTEM
PRESIDENT RAY
CROSS
% SAID
THE
VOTE
FELT
LIKE
A
KICK
% IN
THE
SHIN
SAYING,
QUOTE,
% TODAY'S VOTE
WAS
A
MISSED % OPPORTUNITY AND SHORT
SIDED.
% UW
SYSTEM
IS
THE
BEST
INVESTMENT
% THE STATE
CAN
MAKE
TO
ATTRACT
% AND
RETAIN
TALENT.
% THE
UW
SYSTEM
BUDGET IS
% REASONABLE, SPECIFIC AND
% RESPONDS
TO WORK
FORCE
NEEDS.
% WE
NEED
AT
LEAST
$60
MILLION
TO
% KEEP UP
WITH
THE
INFLATION
% ALONE.
% THE
MOTION
WOULD
PROVIDE
$45
% MILLION WITH SIGNIFICANT
STRINGS
% ATTACHED.%BY
NOT
ADDRESSING THESE
% FINANCIAL
CHALLENGE
S,
WE
ARE
% SEVERELY
HAM
STRUNG
IN
OUR
% ABILITY
TO
CONTINUE
TO
GROW
% VITAL
PROGRAMS AND HIGH
NEED
% FIELDS
THAT
THE
PEOPLE OF
% WISCONSIN
EXPECT
AND
DEMAND.% BEFORE
WE
INTRODUCE OUR
NEXT
% GUEST, WE
SHOULD
MENTION
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION I
S
% PART
OF
UW
MADISON.
% FACULTY ARE
WEIGHING
IN
ON
THE
% BUDGET ACTION FOR THE
UW.
% EFFECTIVELY ORGANIZATION CALLED
% PROFS
AGREES
WITH
CROSS
SAYING
% IT WAS A
MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO
% REINVEST IN
THE
UW
SYSTEM.
% CHEMISTRY
PROFESSOR
JUDITH % BURSTYN JOINS US
NOW.
% THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE.
% >>
THANK YOU FOR ASKING
ME.
% >>
THE
MESSAGE FROM
REPUBLICAN % BUDGET
WRITERS
SEEMS TO BE
THAT
% THE
ECONOMY IS
BOOMING,
TUITION
% REVENUE
FROM
OUT
OF
STATE
% STUDENTS AND
GRAD
STUDENTS
IS
UP
% AND
THE
LAST
STATE
BUDGET
% PROVIDED
A
REALLY
HEALTHY
BOOST
% IN
FUNDING.% HOW
DO YOU
RESPOND
TO
THAT?% >> SO
THE
FACULTY
MEMBERS WORK
% ON THE
FRONT
LINES
OF
THE
UW
% SYSTEM.
% WE KNOW
FIRST
HAND
THAT
IN
ORDER
% TO
CONTINUE TO ADDRESS
THE
NEEDS
% OF
OUR
STUDENTS
AND
DRIVE OUR
% STATE'S
ECONOMY,
WE
NEED
GREATER
% INVESTMENT
FROM
THE
STATE.
% AND AS
CHAIR
OF
A
MAJOR
% DEPARTMENT AT
UW
MADISON, I
DEAL
% ON A
DAILY
BASIS
WITH
THE
% REALITIES
OF
A
COMPETITIVE
% MARKETPLACE.
% OUR
COMPETITORS KNOW
THAT
% WISCONSIN HAS HAD AN
ISSUE
WITH
% THE
STATE NOT
SUPPORTING OUR
% UNIVERSITY AND
OUR
FACULTY
ARE
% TARGETS.
% >> SO
YOU'RE
SUGGESTING THAT
% THERE
IS
A
RETENTION PROBLEM
FOR
% POTENTIALLY THE
BEST
AND
THE
% BRIGHTEST HERE
AT THE
% UNIVERSITY?%>> THERE
HAS BEEN
AND
THERE
% CONTINUES TO BE
A
SIGNIFICANT
% RETENTION
PROBLEM.
% >>
BECAUSE
I KNOW
THAT
ON
JOINT
% FINANCE,
JOHN
NYGREN,
THE
% CO-CHAIR WAS
TALKING
ABOUT
HOW
% DEMOCRATS
SAY THAT
THE
% UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN CUT
MORE % THAN A
BILLION
DOLLARS
SINCE
% 2011.
% JOHN NYGREN SAID
YES,
BUT
% THEY'VE
BEEN ABLE
TO
MAKE
IT
UP
% BECAUSE OF
THE,
QUOTE,
TOOLS
OF
% ACT
TEN
WHEREBY
STAFF
HAS
HAD
TO
% CONTRIBUTE MORE TO THE
HEALTH
% CARE
AND
THEIR
PENSION
FUNDS.
% HE SAID
THAT
BASICALLY
I
T
EVENS
% OUT
BUT
YOU'RE
SUGGESTING
THAT
% ACT
TEN
ALSO
STILL HAS
SOME
% ISSUES
FOR
FACULTY
DECIDING
T
O
% LEAVE.
% >>
THERE HAS BEEN
A
HISTORY
AT
% UW
MADISON,
OUR
SALARIES HAVE
% ALWAYS
BEEN
BELOW
THOSE
OF
PEER,
% COMPARABLE
INSTITUTIONS
TO
UW
% MADISON.
% BUT THE REALITY
WAS
THAT
% BECAUSE
OF
OUR
GOOD
STATE
% BENEFITS
PACKAGE,
WE WOULD
ARGUE
% THAT THAT WAS
ONE OF
THE
PIECES.
% AND
THAT
BENEFITS
PACKAGE
HAS % BEEN
ERODED.% THOSE
RESOURCES NEVER
REALLY
% BECAME AVAILABLE FOR
THE
% UNIVERSITY
TO
USE
BECAUSE THEY % HAD
BEEN
ASSOCIATED WITH
FRINGES
% AND IT'S JUST
COMING
OUT
OF
THE
% POCKETS
OF
THE
FACULTY
AND
T
HE
% STAFF AT THE
UNIVERSITIES.
% >>
IN
TERMS
OF
STUDENTS,
WHAT
% DOES
YOUR
ORGANIZATION
BELIEVE % WILL BE
THE
PRACTICAL
EFFECT OF
% BUDGET
IF IT
LOOKS
LIKE
THIS
IN
% ITS
FINAL
FORM?
% >>
SO
IN
PREPARING
FOR
THE
% CURRENT
BUDGET
DEBATE,
UW
SYSTEM
% WORKED
VERY HARD
TO
DEVELOP
A
% REASONABLE BUDGET
PROPOSAL THAT
% FOCUSED
ON
STUDENT
SUCCESS
AND
% MAKING
IT
EASIER
FOR
STUDENTS TO% GET
INTO
STEM
AND
OTHER
HIGH
% DEMAND
FIELDS.
% THE
GOVERNOR'S BUDGET WAS
VERY
% SIMILAR TO
WHAT WAS
PROPOSED BUT
% THEN
ALSO
WEN
T
A
STEP
FURTHER
% AND
FUNDED
THE
FREEZE,
THAT
IS,
% DIDN'T
JUST
FREEZE
TUITION BUT
% ALSO
PAID
FOR
THE
REVENUE
THAT % WOULD HAVE BEEN
LOST.
% UNIVERSITIES DON'T HAVE MANY
% SOURCES
OF
REVENUE.
% OUR
PUBLIC
INSTITUTIONS HAVE AS
% THEIR
RESOURCES
TUITION
DOLLARS
% AND STATE
DOLLARS AND
THAT'S
% WHAT FUNDS
OUR
EDUCATIONAL % MISSION %>>
HOW
BAD
IN
YOUR
MIND
FROM
% YOUR
ORGANIZATION'S
PERSPECTIVE
% IS
THIS?
% >> THE
SITUATION
FOR
UW
SYSTEM
% AND
UW
MADISON IS
THAT
WE'VE
% SUSTAINED MANY
YEARS
OF
TUITION
% FREEZE
AND
BUDGET
CUT
AND
% ALTHOUGH
LAST
BIENNIUM THERE WAS% A
SMALL
INCREASE, IT
DIDN'T
% COVER THE
INFLATIONARY
COSTS
AND
% THE LOSS
OF
THIS
FUNDING
FOR
THE
% TUITION
FREEZE
ESSENTIALLY
IS
A
% BUDGET
CUT
AGAIN
TO
THE
% UNIVERSITY
BECAUSE
THESE
ARE
% INFLATIONARY
COSTS
AND
THEY'RE
% NOT
COVERED.
% IT MEANS
THAT
STUDENT
ACCESS,
% STUDENT SUPPORT IS
NOT
GOING
TO % BE
FUNDED.
% >>
ANOTHER
MATTER WAS
THE
% FUNDING
OF
A
2%
PAY
INCREASE FOR
%
STAFF
AND
FACULTY
BUT
FUNDED
% ONLY
70%.
% THEN
WHAT
HAPPENS?
% >>
WELL,
THAT MEANS
THAT
THE
% ADDITIONAL
30%
IS
GOING TO
COME
% OUT
OF
OTHER
PROGRAMS
IN
THE
% UNIVERSITY.
% THERE'S
RELATIVE LITTLE
FLEXIBLE
% DOLLARS
WITHIN THE
UNIVERSITY.
% IT'S
PRIMARILY
DRIVEN
TOWARDS
% THE
EDUCATIONAL MISSION
AND
THAT% MEANS THE FUNDS ARE
MORE
LIKELY
% THAN NOT
TO
COME
OUFT
THE
% EDUCATIONAL MISSION OF
THE
% INSTITUTIONS.%>>
AND
WHAT
DO YOU
AND
FACULTY
% MEMBERS OF YOUR
GROUP
THINK
% ABOUT
THE
FACT
THAT
MOST OF THE
% INCREASE
APPROVED BY
JOINT
% FINANCE,
THAT BEING
$4
5
MILLION,
% WOULD ONLY
BE
RELEASED
WITH
THE
% LEGISLATURE'S
APPROVAL?
% >>
THE
PEOPLE
MAKING IT WHO ARE
% BEST
SUITED TO
MAKE
THE
% DECISIONS FOR
UW
SYSTEM
ARE
THE
% BOARD OF
REGENTS
AND
THE
% LEADERSHIP
OF
THE
UW
SYSTEM
% INSTITUTIONS.%AND I
DON'T
SEE
ANY
COMPELLING
% REASON FOR
THE
LEGISLATURE
TO
% MICRO
MANAGE
THOSE
DECISIONS.
% I WOULD ALSO
COMMENT
THAT
OUR
% GOVERNOR HAS
BROAD
EXPERIENCE IN
% EDUCATION.%HE
UNDERSTANDS
HOW
TO
DELIVER
% EFFECTIVE
EDUCATIONAL
PROGRAMS.
% HE
UNDERSTANDS THE
VALUE
OF
% EDUCATION
AND
ALSO
THE
EXPERTISE% OF
THE
INDIVIDUALS
WHO
LAID % THESE
INSTITUTIONS AND
I WOULD
% TRUST THEM T
O
D
O
THE
WORK
THEY
% NEED T
O
DO.
% >> WE
NEED
TO
LEAVE
IT
THERE.
% PROFESSOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH %
FOR JOINING
US.
% >>
YOU'RE WELCOME.
% >>
AS
FOR
STATE
BUDGET
AGZ
ON
% CLEAN
WATER
REGULATION,
% REPUBLICANS ON
JOINT
FINANCE
% APPROVED
TWO
OF
THE
FIVE
% SCIENTISTS' POSITIONS
REQUESTED.
% BUT
CUT
MORE THAN
$40
MILLION
% FROM
PROGRAMS
THE
GOVERNOR
HAD
% PROPOSED
TOWARD
REDUCING WATER
% POLLUTION.%THE BUDGET COMMI
TTEE
POSTPONED
A
% VOTE
ON
A
PROPOSAL
TO
INCREASE
% FEES ON
CONCENTRATED
ANIMAL
% FEEDING
OPERATIONS
WHICH
CONSIST
% OF
FORMS
WITH
MORE THAN
1,000
% ANIMALS LIKE LARGE
DAIRY
PRAGUES!$!
!
% OPERATIONS.%EXECUTIVE BOARD
WOULD INCREASE
% FEES
TO
$5,910
FOR
FIVE-YEAR
% PERMITS.
% THAT'S UP
FROM
$1,725
CURRENTLY.% THE
EXTRA
FEES
WOULD GO TO
PAY
% FOR
DNR
REGULATION AND
% ENFORCEMENT OF
DRINKING
WATER % FROM POLLUTION.
% CINDY LEITNER IS PRESIDENT
OF
% THE
WISCONSIN
DAIRY
ALLIANCE.% SHE
JOINS
US
FROM
FOND DU LAC.
% THANK YOU
FOR
BEING
HERE.
% >>
THANK YOU
FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
SO
AGAIN,
YOUR
GROUP
LOBBIED
% AGAINST THE
INCREASE IN
PERMIT
% FEES.
% WHY?
% >>
WELL,
WE WOULD
LIKE
TO
LOOK
% AT
WHY
IT'
S
NEEDED.% THE
PERMIT
FEES
ACTUALLY ARE
NOT
% VERY GOOD
FOR
OUR
FARMS.
% WE'RE
STRUGGLING IN
THIS
% INDUSTRY,
WHETHER IT'S
A
KFO
OR
% WHETHER IT'S
A
SMALL
FARM,
FIVE
% YEARS
OF
BAD
MILK
PRICES,
EXPORT
% ISSUES
OF
THIS
YEAR,
WE'RE
ALL
% STRUGGLING.%WE'RE
STRUGGLING TO
SURVIVE.
% ADDED
FEES
AREN'T
GOING TO
HELP.
% WHAT ARE THE
ADDED
FEES
USED
% FOR?
% LET'S LOOK AT THE
POSITIONS.% ARE
THEY
NEEDED?
% DO
WE
NEED
TO HAVE
MORE
% POSITIONS?
% WE HAVE
14
POSITIONS IN
FIELD
% POSITIONS
I
N
THE
STATE OF
% WISCONSIN.
% WE HAVE
APPROXIMATELY
305
IN
THE
% STATE OF
WISCONSIN.
% THAT
INCLUDES
PIGS
AND
CHICKENS
% AND
GOATS
AND
OTHER
KFO'S,
274
% ARE
DAIRY.
% THAT WOULD MEAN IN
A
FIVE-YEAR
% PERIOD, EACH
ONE OF
THOSE
14
% PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING OUT
TO
THE
% DAIRIES
IS
REQUIRED
BY
LAW
TO
% MAKE
ONE
VISIT
EVERY
10
1/2
% WEEKS FOR
PERMIT
RENEWAL.
% THAT
LEAVES QUITE A BIT
OF
OTHER
% TIME
FOR THEM
TO
COME
AND
VISIT
% FARMS.%QUITE A BIT
OF
OTHER
TIME
FOR
% ENFORCEMENT.
% IN FACT,
THAT
PROBABLY
LEAVES
% THEM HALF
THEIR
TIME
A
YEAR,
AT
% LEAST ONCE A
MONTH
THEY SHOULD
% BE ON
THE
FARM
TALKING T
O
THE
% DAIRY PERSON OR
TALKING TO % SOMEBODY ABOUT WHAT
THEY'RE
% DOING,
HOW
THEY'RE
DOING
IT
,
HOW
% THEY CAN
DO
IT
BETTER AND
% BUILDING A
RELATIONSHIP SO
THAT
% WE'RE
ALL
LOOKING TOWARDS
NO
% DISCHARGE IN WATER
.
% >>
S
O
FOR
305KFO'S YOU BELIEVE % IS
ADEQUATE.
% >>
YES.
% THE
PERMIT
REQUIREMENT
IS
ONLY
% ONCE
EVERY FIVE
YEARS
SO
IT'S
% MANDATORY
FOR
THEM
TO GO
ONCE
% EVERY
FIVE
YEARS
TO
THESE
FARMS.
% THAT'S
A
THREE
TO
FIVE
HOUR
% VISIT
AND
THEN
THEY HAVE
TO
% WRITE SOMETHING UP.
% BEYOND
THAT,
THEY CAN
GO
ANY
% TIME THEY
WANT.
% THEY CAN GO
TO
THE
FARM
ANY
TIME
% THEY WANT AND VISIT
WITH
THE
% PEOPLE.
% SO THAT'S THE
FIELD
POSITIONS.
% THEY
ALSO
HAVE
EIGHT
POSITIONS % IN
HOUSE
SO
--
AND
I'VE
GOTTEN
% MIXED
SIGNALS
FROM
PEOPLE
IN
% MADISON AND
TALKING TO
THEM.
% ARE
WE
TALKING
ABOUT
ENFORCEMENT
% POSITIONS?%OR
ARE
WE
TALKING ABOUT
PERMIT
% POSITIONS
FOR
UPPING THE
% PERMITTING TIME AND
RENEWING THE
% PERMITS
FASTER?
% I'M
NOT
SURE
WHICH THEY'RE
GOING
% FOR.
% >> YOU
BELIEVE,
AGAIN,
THAT
IN
% APPROXIMATELY
$1,000
A
YEAR
% PERMIT
FEE
IS
ONEROUS
EVEN
FOR
% THE
LARGEST OF
THE
DAIRY
% OPERATIONS?%>> NOBODY HAS
ESCAPED
THE
MILK
% PRICES.
% FIVE
YEARS OF
THIS.
% FIVE
YEARS
AND
WE
CAN'T
MILK OUR% WAY
OUT OF
IT.
% WE
CAN'T
PRODUCE
MORE
MILK S
O
% THAT WE HAVE MORE
MONEY.
% YET, OUR
INPUT
COSTS,
THE
COST
% OF
DOING
BUSINESS
HAS
GONE
UP.
% AND
THAT'S FOR
EVERY
SINGLE
% DAIRY
AND
THAT'S
WHY WE'RE
% LOSING SO
MANY
DAIRIES.
% WE'RE
LOSING BIG
DAIRIES ALSO I
N
% WISCONSIN.%WE'RE NOT
JUST
LOSING
SMALL
% DAIRIES.
% WE'RE
LOSING ALL
DAIRIES AND
% THIS
IS
$43
BILLION
OF
OUR
% ECONOMY.
% WE PRODUCE
IN
THE
DAIRY
% INDUSTRY,
$82,500
A
MINUTE.% WE
HAVE
PEOPLE
LEAVING
OUR
STATE
% BECAUSE IT'S
TOO
HARD
TO
WORK
% HERE
AS
A
DAIRY.
% >>
DO YOU FEEL
AS
THOUGH
THE
% REGULATIONS FOR
C$AFO
TO
COMPLY
% WITH
WATER LUGS
POLLUTION
ARE
% ONEROUS?%>>
WE BELIEVE
IT'S
FINE
AND
WE
% ARE
WORKING WITH THEM AND
THE
% DNR.
% WE'RE NOT
ASKING
FOR
RELEASE OF
% REGULATIONS.
% WE'RE
NOT
ASKING
FOR
LESS
% REGULATIONS.%WHAT WE LIKE T
O
DO
IS
WORK
WITH
% THE
DNR.
% WE'VE MET
WITH
TODD
AMES
AND
WE % WOULD
LIKE
--
WE BELIEVE THAT
% BECAUSE
WE
ARE
A
ZERO
DISCHARGE
% BY
OUR
WPD
S
PERMIT,
WE'RE
% REQUIRED
NOT
TO
DISCHARGE,
NO
% POOP
I
N
THE
WATER.
% WE HAVE
A
UNIQUE
PERSPECTIVE OF
% HOW
TO D
O
THIS
AND
WE CAN
HELP.
% WE CAN HELP
IN
ALL
ASPECTS.
% BUT
WE HAVE
TO
LOO
K
AT THE WHOLE
% PROBLEM.
% SO
WE HAVE
7800
FARMS
% APPROXIMATELY IN THE
STATE OF
% WISCONSIN.
% 274
ARE
DAIRY
FARMS
THAT ARE
% COFO'S.
% WE HAVE
1.3
MILLION
COWS
IN
THE
% STATE OF
WISCONSIN.
% 300,000 ARE
CAFO'S.
% YET
WE PRODUCE
40%
OF
THE
MILK.
% LET'S
GET
RID
OF
THE
CAFO'S.
% HAVE WE
SOLVED OUR
PROBLEM?
% WE
HAVEN'T.
% WE HAVE
TO LOOK
AT
EVERY
ASPECT.
% WE HAVE TO
WORK
WITH
S
ENATOR
% NOVAK
AND
THE
WATER
QUALITY
TASK
% FORCE.
% WE HAVE TO LOOK
A
T
DIFFERENT
% REGIONS, WE HAVE TO
LOOK
AT
% WATER
SHEDS,
WE HAVE
T
O
LOOK
A
T
% MUNICIPALITIES,
WE HAVE TO
LOOK
% AT
HOMEOWNERS.
% YOU KNOW,
WITH
FERTILIZER.% WE HAVE TO
LOOK
AT
EVERYTHING
% AND
WE'RE
HERE
TO
HELP
THEM
DO
% THAT.
% >> DO YOU FEEL AS
THOUGH
THEN
% THAT
CAFO'S
ARE
CATCHING
THE
% BLAME FOR
WATER
POLLUTION
IN
THE
% STATE?%>>
I THINK THEY'RE
CATCHING THE
% MAJORITY
OF
THE
BLAME
AND,
YOU
% KNOW, IT'S
OKAY
TO
ASSIGN
BLAME
% WHERE
SOMEONE
HAS
DONE
SOMETHING
% WRONG AND
YOU CAN PROVE
THEY'VE
% DONE
SOMETHING WRONG BUT
FOR
% INSTANCE, LOOK
AT
--
LET'S
LOOK
% AT
DATA
UP
IN
KEWAUNEE
COUNTY.
% KEWAUNEE COUNTY HAS BEEN
IN
ALL % KINDS OF
NEWS
AND
YET
THEY
STILL
% ARE NUMBER
TWO
I
N
TOURISM
% DOLLARS IN
THE
STATE OF
% WISCONSIN TWO
YEARS IN
A
ROW
SO
% THERE'S SOMETHING
GOOD
HAPPENING
% IN
KEWAUNEE
COUNTY.
% IN HIS
RESEARCH,
HE SAID
THAT
% 50%
OF
WHAT
THEY
FOUND
IN
THE
% WELLS CAME
FROM
BOVINE
AND
50%
% HUMANS.%THERE ARE MORE
COWS
THAN
HUMANS.
% THAT MEANS THERE'S
21
0
--
IT'S
A
% 210-1
RATIO
IN
BOVINE
WASTE
TO
% HUMAN
WASTE.
% IF WE
GOT
RID
OF
ALL
THE
COWS,
% WOULD
WE HAVE
SOLVED
OUR
PROBLEM
% IN
KEWAUNEE
COUNTY?
% >> WE
NEED
T
O
LEAVE
IT
THERE.
% >>
WE HAVE T
O
LOOK
AT
% EVERYTHING.%>> WE NEED TO
LEAVE
IT
THERE.
% POINT
TAKEN.
% CINDY LEITNER, THANKS VERY MUCH
% FOR
JOINING
US.% >> THANK YOU.
% >>
CONCENTRATED
ANIMAL
FEEDING
% OPERATIONS
ARE
BIG
BUSINESS IN
% WISCONSIN.%FOR THEIR
PART,
ENVIRONMENTAL
% ORGANIZATIONS CALL FOR
HIGHER
% FEES
AND
MORE
OVERSIGHT
ON
CAFO
% BUSINESSES,
INCLUDING
GROUPS % LIKE
WISCONSIN'S GREEN
FIRE,
A
% GROUP
OF
CONSERVATION
% PROFESSIONALS, INCLUDING
FORMER
% DNR
EMPLOYEES.
% GREEN
FIRE'S
EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR
% IS FRED
CLARK
WHO
IS
ALSO
ON THE
% DNR
BOARD.
% THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
% HERE.
% >>
GREAT.
% THANKS FOR
HAVING
ME.
% >>
SO
JUST
TO
ASK
YOU
FIRST,
% WHAT ARE
THE
ENVIRONMENTAL
% IMPACTS IN
WISCONSIN OF
CAFO'S?
% >>
WELL,
CAFO
ALONG
WITH
OTHER
% DAIRY
OPERATIONS
ARE
A
SOURCE
OF
% -- URNT
--
UNFORTUNATELY,
% THEY'RE
A
SOURCE OF
POLLUTION IN
% THE
WATER
SUPPLIES.
% PRIMARY
PATHWAY
IS
ANIMAL
MANURE
% THAT
GOES ON
THE
FARM
FIELDS
AND
% LEAVES
THOSE
FIELDS
THROUGH
% LEECHING AND
MAKES
ITS
WAY
IN
% WATER
BODIES.
% WE'RE
TALKING
WITH
PHOSPHORUS,
% NITRATES AND
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
% FECAL
BACTERIA
THAT
CAN
CAUSE
% HUMAN
ILLNESS.
% >>
OUR
LAST
GUEST
SUGGESTED IN
% KEWAUNEE
COUNTY,
FOR
EXAMPLE,
% IT'S HALF
ANIMAL
MANURE
AND
HALF
% HUMAN
SEWAGE AND
THE
ANSWER
IS % NOT TO GET RID
OF
CAFO'S
OR
% ANIMAL
OPERATIONS.
% >>
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY
WANTS
% TO
SEE
US
GET
RID
OF
DAIRY
IN
% THE
DAIRY
STATE.
% IN RURAL
AREAS
ESPECIALLY,
WE % KNOW
THAT
UNFORTUNATELY,
% AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS
ARE
THE
% BIGGEST
CONTRIBUTING
FACTOR
% TOWARD RURAL
WATER
CONTAMINATION% AND WELL
CONTAMINATION.% >> HOW
WELL
ARE
THEY
BEING
% REGULATED?%>>
WELL,
WITH THE
LARGE
CAFO
% PROGRAM,
THERE ARE
A
FAIRLY
% COMPLETE
SET OF
REGULATIONS THAT
% BOTH
THE
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL
% RESOURCES
AND
DEPARTMENT
OF
% AGRICULTURE
CONSUMER
PROTECTION
% ENFORCE AND
CAFO'S
PAY
A
% RELATIVELY
SMALL
FEE
FOR
THE
% REGULATION
UNDER
THE
CLEAN
WATER
% ACT
THAT
WISCONSIN
EXERCISES.% >>
SO
WOULD
INCREASING
THE
FEES
% FOR
THESE
PERMITS,
FOR
THE
% CAFO'S
HELP
THE
DNR AND
OTHER
% AGENCIES KEEP
UP
WITH
REGULATION
% AND
ENFORCEMENT?% >> I THINK THE
THING
TO
KEEP
IN
% MIND
RIGHT
NOW
IS
THAT
THE
TOTAL
% COST
TO
THE
DNR
OF
THE
CAFO
% OVERSIGHT PROGRAM IS
SOMETHING % OVER
$2
MILLION.
% THE
FEES
THAT
LARGE
CAFO'S
PAY
% IS
SOMEWHERE AROUND
5%
OF
THAT
% TOTAL
COST.
% SO
UNLIKE MANY
OTHER
REGULATED
% ENTITIES
I
N
WISCONSIN THAT
ARE
% CARRYING
ALL
THE
OVERSIGHT
COSTS
% THROUH THE
PERMIT
FEES
AND
% DAIRY
AGRICULTURE, WE'VE
CHOSEN
% NOT TO
DO
THAT.
% THE
INCREASE THAT'S BEEN
% PROPOSED
WOULD STILL
ONLY
BE
A
% FRACTION OF
WHAT
TAXPAYERS ARE
% PICKING
UP IN
ORDER
TO
FUND
THE
% POSITIONS
IN
DNR
THAT
OVERSEE
% THOSE
OPERATIONS.
% >> SO
IT'S
YOUR
SENSE
THAT
% KIND
OF
INCREASE
IN
THOSE
% PERMITTING
FEES
WOULD
NOT
BE
HON!$!
% ONEROUS FOR THESE LARGE
% OPERATIONS?%>>
I'M
A
FORMER
BUSINESS OWNER
% MYSELF
AND
I
APPRECIATE
COSTS % ARE ALWAYS A
FACTOR.
% IF
YOU
LOOK
AT THE
AVERAGE
LARGE
% CAFO,
DAIRY
CAFO
IN
WISCONSIN, % THAT
OPERATION
PROBABLY HAS
% ABOUT
2,000
ANIMALS.
% MOST OF
THOSE
OPERATIONS
ARE
% SELLING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
5
% MILLION
AND
10
MILLION
DOLLARS'
% WORTH OF
MILK
EVERY
YEAR
.
% THESE ARE
VERY
LARGE
BUSINESSES.% THEY'RE
FACING
STRUGGLES
IN
THIS
% ECONOMY.
% ABSOLUTELY.
% BUT THE
PERMIT
FEE
IS
THE
% SMALLEST OF ANY
OF
THE
% SURROUNDING
STATES
THAT
ALSO
% REGULATE
DAIRY
OPERATIONS IN
% WISCONSIN.
% >>
WHAT WAS YOUR
REACTION
WHEN
% YOU
SAW
THAT
THE
JOINT
FINANCE
% COMMITTEE
POSTPONED
ACTION ON
% THIS?
% >>
WELL,
I'M
ENCOURAGED THAT
% LEGISLATORS AND POLICY
MAKERS
% ARE
RECOGNIZING
THE
WATER
% QUALITY PROBLEMS WE HAVE
IN
THE
% STATE.%PROBABLY
TO
A
DEGREE
WE'VE
NEVER
% SEEN
BEFORE.
% SO
THEY'RE
--
I UNDERSTAND THAT
% THEY'LL
TAKE
THAT
UP
AGAIN
IN
A
% FUTURE
SESSION.
% WE
HOPE
THAT
THE
EMPHASIS
ON,
% YOU
KNOW,
PROVIDING ENOUGH
% OVERSIGHT
IN
THOSE
PROGRAMS
WILL
% STILL BE
THERE.
% AT THE END
OF
THE
DAY,
I THINK % IS
REGULATION
IMPORTANT?
% ABSOLUTELY.%BUT
REGULATION
ALONE
ISN'T
GOING% TO
SOLVE THE
PROBLEM WE HAVE
% RIGHT NOW WITH
OUR
FARM
ECONOMY
% AND
THE
ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS % THAT ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH
IT.
% FARMERS CAN BE
PART
OF
THAT
% SOLUTION
AND MANY
CASES
THEY
% ARE.
% AND WE
NEED
CONSUMERS TO
% UNDERSTAND
THAT
WHEN
THEY
BUY
% DAIRY
PRODUCTS, THEY
NEED TO BE
% ASSURED THAT
THE
SOIL
AND
WATER
% QUALITY
ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE
% FARM
OPERATIONS IS
HIGH.
% OTHERWISE, WE LOSE THE
INTEGRITY
% OF
OUR
BRAND
HERE
IN
WISCONSIN
% AND
W
E
CANNOT
AFFORD
TO
LET
THAT
% HAPPEN.%>>
ABSOLUTELY.
% FRED
CLARK,
THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.% >> THANK YOU.
% >>
TURNING
NOW
TO
THE
2020
% SPRING
ELECTION
WITH
A
NEW
% CANDIDATE HAS
ENTERED
THE
RACE
% FOR
STATE
SUPREME COURT.
% >>
I WANT TO
MAKE
SURE
--
% >>
JUSTIN
DANIEL
KELLY
WILL BE
% SEEKING A
FULL
10-YEAR
TERM
NEXT
% APRIL.%HE WAS
APPOINTED
TO
THE
BENCH
IN
% 2016
AND
IS
CONSIDERED PART
OF
% THE
COURT'S FOUR
SEAT
% CONSERVATIVE
MAJORITY.
% HE
JOINS
TWO
OUR
CANDIDATES
% VYING
FOR
THE
SEAT,
DANE COUNTY % JUDGE
KOROSKI
AND
MARQUETTE
LAW
% PROFESSOR, ED
FALLONE,
BOTH
% EXPECTED
TO
RECEIVE
LIBERAL
% BACKING.
% A
FEBRUARY
PRIMARY WILL
NARROW
% THE FIELD
TO
TWO
CANDIDATES WHO % WILL
FACE
IECH
OTHER THE
SAME
% DAY AS
THE
APRIL
PRESIDENTIAL
% PRIMARY.
% AND THAT
IS
OUR
PROGRAM
FOR
% TONIGHT.
% I'M
FREDERICA
FREYBERG.% HAVE
A
GREAT WEEKEND.
% >>
FUNDING
FOR
HERE & NOW IS
% PROVIDED
IN
PART
BY
FRIENDS
OF
% WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.